sk-lore

[obsidian quail]

u can’t have an opinion on the roundness of earth

[plain coral]

Im this place proves that there is enough place for the knight

[spare pendant]

Literally irrelevant to their point

[vague jasper]

Mr mushroom ending said to be continued so idk also I think team cherry should expand their team, idk how they will make another game in time like this

[sinful nimbus]

It is word salad, "intersubjective standards" do not require me to preface every single opinion with "This is just my opinion, but"

That is already implied

[quartz flicker]

SANS??!??!

[solid elk]

Have the big character go to the surface, like Bug Fables, and interact with actual Vertebrates that are of not miniscule size

[obsidian quail]

false equivalence is when u overreach and make the situation more absurd to suit ur point

[maiden meteor]

It was obviously a joke in first game soooo

[spare pendant]

That's not what any of that means

[plain coral]

Where tf did u saw sans 💔

[sinful nimbus]

Then its irrelevant

[vague jasper]

That's not part of the kingdom, that's the outside world much like howling clifss

[solid elk]

Waiting 7 years between games is....a lot of a commitment for a development team of 3 people who want to want non-bug games

[sinful nimbus]

My point was that my statement was implied to be subjective by default, do you or do you not agree with this

[full swan]

nevermind this was a stupid question, i did my own research and found the answer

[spare pendant]

No, false equivalency is when you compare two incomparable things. The things being compared are comparable because the point is that "multiple people agree" is fallacious in any context

[spare pendant]

It's not

[vague jasper]

Yeah they should expand

[quartz flicker]

In hindsight it might not have been entirely a joke.

[spare pendant]

Sure, but not meaningfully

[vague jasper]

That wouldn't be much of a Hollow knight game then

[plain coral]

When u go left hornet says that there is whole other kingdom and that she should save pharloom first before going there

[sinful nimbus]

What does this mean

[maiden meteor]

Silksong was still Hornet DLC so

[sacred heath]

sherma should be the protagonist of hollow knight 3

[vague jasper]

That's another side of the map

[quartz flicker]

The Herald is taken reasonable seriously as a character in Silksong.

[obsidian quail]

sigh, that’s exactly what they did and made the argument disingenuous

ur trying way too hard

u said exactly what i have been saying

[quartz flicker]

It's like we just didn't get Mister Mushroom.

[vague jasper]

Look I get you can make a game with Hollow knight as a protagonist but it would have to tackle a number of issues that I think are very tough to handle

[solid elk]

There is a level of small Indie team I think helps keep TC to make quality games without some major corporate oversight beyond themselves.

However, they really need more than 3 peopoe to actually more than one game of Silksong-size and complexity per half decade

[obsidian quail]

let star have her opinion and feel how u will about it

[plain coral]

That's a whole other kingdom

[past flax]

i'm mega confused as to why they teased the hollow knight and hornet meeting when he's literally nowhere in the game

[solid elk]

He is too cute to be out around the Path of Pain

[foggy fractal]

if TC was to make another game it'd probably be based on Zote given he was the third playable character in the kickstarter that was never reached

[vague jasper]

I don't think we will see another Hollow knight game for a decade now, TC will most likely work on another game and a sequel to this would take a long time

[sinful nimbus]

The zote thing was realized with the eternal ordeal

[spare pendant]

Read the rest of the message

[foggy fractal]

another hollow knight game that is

[solid elk]

Watch TC just make a farming sim out of nowhere as their next game and every fan is shocked

[quartz flicker]

TC ain't even done with Silksong

[past flax]

like i thought the game was building up to a hornet / hollow knight team-up against the shade lord super hard

[sinful nimbus]

I would like to see how they would explore other genres

[foggy fractal]

I doubt they would make another hollow knight game either way tho

[vague jasper]

It's left to interpretation now

[sinful nimbus]

Farming sim wouldn't exactly work with building a giant expansive world though I feel

[vague jasper]

Unless a dlc answers something

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah they've expressed that they want to move on, at least for a bit

After we get the updates anyway

[foggy fractal]

right

[vague jasper]

Their next game would be a Stardew valley ripoff

[past flax]

i kinda hope their next game is pure platformer

ala celeste or something

[vague jasper]

Yeah they are good at making platformers

[sinful nimbus]

Neverway is the cooler stardew valley ripoff sorry https://store.steampowered.com/app/2318330/Neverway/

Celeste artist and Hyper Light Drifter composer too

[vague jasper]

But still Hollow knight has so many unanswered questions, it makes me wanna have another Hollow knight game immediately but ig we'll never get the answers

[spark valve]

You could make it work basically the same conflict is at play with slime rancher and people seem to like that

[sinful nimbus]

I think a little ambiguity is good

[edgy nebula]

the squirrm is the final boss of hollow knight: silksong cause theyre the best characters

[sinful nimbus]

Shhhh

SR2 in like a week or so lfg

[vague jasper]

Yeah that's the case with these games, but still there's not few but a LOT of questions

[eager marsh]

SLIME RANCHER 2?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[karmic spire]

That's what I was wondering too. Maybe SS takes place so long after HK, that their meeting is no longer relevant to this chapter of Hornet's life, but even then that's kinda stressing it

[sinful nimbus]

Neverway also seems to have a similar conflict as SR?

Interested how its gonna go

[timber pond]

I mean, mister mushroom being here makes me think they aren't done with hollow knight because we get another fucking TO BE CONTINUED at the end so😂

[vague jasper]

There was a living weaver in deepnest in the original Hollow knight, we didn't get any info on them either

[past flax]

i'm just confused cus the godhome flower ending obviously sets up silksong but the other half of that ending just isn't mentioned at all

[uncut holly]

I dont think their gonna leave the Hollow Knight universe, I feel like they cultivated this universe for them to be able to do anything in it they want and it would work

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah the hallownest group of weavers never got followed up on except Herrah its weird

[past flax]

combined with the memories being seemingly more fleshed out earlier in development, i wonder if there was a big story rewrite that happened during development

[obtuse sundial]

mr mushroom doesnt imply anything, its just a "the story continues" as a paramore to real life, our history always continue, doesnt mean we always make sequels

[uncut holly]

Also they would have to spend a huge investment in a world with somethings thats new, and they might just not want to do that because they like the world of Hollow Knight

[eager marsh]

hollow knight: monomonsong (play as quirrel) 🤑

in quirrelloom

nearloom

[vague jasper]

Still most chances are that the next game they make isn't Hollow knight

[timber pond]

Thier opinion probably changed and they aren't even done with hollow knights world by a wide margin.

Hell William said he was having such a grand ol time drawn and collectively making the game, that they could have gone double the time doing it and wouldn't have gotten tired of it in that interview

[obtuse sundial]

id love a prequel that explain origins of bugs, origin of void and radiance etc etc

[foggy fractal]

they did mention that they enjoyed working on it and will add more to Silksong through DLC recently
however they also mentioned moving away from hollow knight after they finish silksong in the past
so who knows

[obtuse sundial]

imagine we play as the first mushroom whose job is to spread spores throughout the land

[eager marsh]

did he ever do that?

[obtuse sundial]

and document history

[uncut holly]

Yeah, if they want to add more things they can add more things. Originally there wasnt supposed to be a second game

[eager marsh]

oh wait i thought u said mister mushroom

[sinful nimbus]

7 more years in the oven would've been nice

[vague jasper]

They will come back to Hollow knight prolly after their next project

[eager marsh]

the first mushroom is prob the big dead one in fungal core

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think I would've minded a longer wait if it meant the final product was more balanced and we could've had the coral forest and barnacle bay

[timber pond]

Yeah but that's mention was like 5 years ago and NPCS in the game even elude to the future heavily.

[uncut holly]

The whole bug theme for Team Cherry seems to be mostly a suggestion, they dont strictly stick to real world insects and have made things like crow bugs

[sinful nimbus]

and silk soul 😔

[eager marsh]

maybe barnacle bay will be a dlc?

it could fit here

[uncut holly]

They rarely ever use real bugs and instead just do what is cool using real bug inspiration but rarely ever tying the actual bug to that bug.

[sacred heath]

I betcha those things will come in a DLC
there’s no way TC will let them be scrapped forever

[eager marsh]

not my map i dont use that language

[uncut holly]

The only bugs that are ever really tied to real bugs are the major tribes and races. Which with Green Dancer bugs we got was entirely original

[eager marsh]

silk souls are collectables tho

[vague jasper]

Yeah they have anything for a bug lol, although we don't know if the crowd really are "crowd" their faces are hidden

[atomic zephyr]

I imagine we also get something out of the path from the Blasted Steps.

[obsidian quail]

saying multiple people agree with your opinion about something in which u can only have an opinion, such as the quality of someone’s work, is far different than saying multiple people agree with u in ur disagreement with an objective fact, which u can’t have an opinion on, that’s false equivalence

[foggy fractal]

they could just tie it all together in dlcs
we'll have to wait and see though
not to say I wouldn't like to see more hk games I played hk all the way back in 2017, was there when first DLC dropped shit was hype

[timber pond]

It's kinda like how forest of bones became deep docks and marrow lol

[edgy nebula]

im a bit curious as to why we got so much expansion on the judges

[sacred heath]

give me my steel assassin sharpe fight or give me death

[edgy nebula]

why did tc show us their baby forms hurmmmm

[uncut holly]

Team Cherry cannonically made Mites mice like rodents in this world, but they look pretty variable and different so they can really just do whatever they want. They rarely ever confirm actual real world species or correlate a real world species with a specific bug.

[obsidian quail]

Ancient civilization prequel PLEASE TC

on my knees

[foggy fractal]

yeah they base their designs off of bugs but there isn't a 1 to 1 match to smth irl
like what bug is fucking gms

[devout island]

I read some comments about a "city of steel" being described somewhere but I don't remember seeing that. Do any of you have more details on it ?

[vague jasper]

Lace isn't even a bug

[uncut holly]

The only time they really do it is with major tribes, like the Mantis's or Moths, or Ants. And even then those are mostly just name groups for a very large selection of bugs

[timber pond]

I mean, they simultaneously set up new mystery and also have Nuu and mister mushroom say the world is still vast. (New mystery being ,steel pepole/assasins and the masters of the steel city and the parasite)

[uncut holly]

That is true they arent a bug. They can really do anything they want

[foggy fractal]

Weaver, in quarter part, last of their line, staked to service. Tracked and taken beneath the City of Steel. Eight Choristors, twelve Envoys lost to task.
dialogue from a cage in the cradle iirc

this also is the only mention if it

afaik

[uncut holly]

The Flies in The Slab are our representation of Flies, I feel like they dont do major big name or real world species group representation unless they are a major tribe or they have something up with them. They would usually just be called some different name otherwise

[zinc dove]

Okay so I ||entrapped the GSM||
But apparently that's a bad ending too?? It seemed like the ||void was consuming everything||

[vague jasper]

It's a fantasy world

[timber pond]

ZI the npc in steel soul mode talks about the masters of the city and hornet seems to have an idea on how thier society works

[foggy fractal]

try to start the save file again

[uncut holly]

In SilkSong we got, Fleas, Flies (House Flies), Ants (Red Ants), and Mites.

We also have Crabs but none of them are called Crabs

[edgy nebula]

maggots too

[zinc dove]

nice

[edgy nebula]

and roaches

[uncut holly]

Arent maggots in the OG?

[zinc dove]

WHAT THE FUCK

[uncut holly]

Oh theres Roaches but are there Cockroaches?

[vague jasper]

Is steel soul world a parallel world or what and if not then how does the jiji and the steel guy work in the original game

[edgy nebula]

theyre called flukes, these ones are specifically dubbed maggots

[uncut holly]

Like i know the dogs are (something)roaches

Ohhhh i see

The False Knight was also a maggot

[zinc dove]

I wasn't expecting this LMAO

[edgy nebula]

well, there are muckroaches

[vague jasper]

They don't look much like cockroaches tho

[foggy fractal]

I think its more so talking about jinn's jiji's and now zi's masters instead of the masters of the city
not to say that their masters aren't also the ones in control of the city of steel, we just don't have anything explicit

[uncut holly]

I dont think Muckroaches are real

[timber pond]

No i think its cannon, but they seem to appear to nullify void in some capacity.

[uncut holly]

as in a real life representation

[vague jasper]

Is this city of Steel some thriving land or is it also a dead kingdom

[zinc dove]

THERE'S NO WAY
the amount of content in this game is insane

[vague jasper]

Are all kingdom in the Hollow knight world dying or dead

[timber pond]

I mean im pretty sure the masters are one in the same as whoever controls the steel city

[uncut holly]

I mean they could do alot with bugs taking creative liberties. Like mole people Termites, could make a monstrous fly and call it a Dragon Fly. Could do stuff with Mantis Shrimp

[vague jasper]

In some next game I wanna see a thriving kingdom

[timber pond]

Seems to be a land that uses automaton like constructs similar to the cogwork knight to have lesser bugs carry out tasks related to neutralizing the void, and if they try to break free thier directive is to kill them.

[foggy fractal]

that'd make sense I just don't think we have a explicit mention in game

[timber pond]

Jhin and ZI are these constructs

[vague jasper]

So they escaped

[foggy fractal]

if we do get to see the masters in game in a dlc that'd be hype

[timber pond]

It's intersing though because that's the same position the weavers were in when we just had hollow knight

[foggy fractal]

shit is literally 7+ years of build up

[uncut holly]

I dont think Cherry is thinking on making another Hollow Knight game right now, if it does happen itll be a Silk Song type thing. But they could do DLC and add DLC things. I expect them to explore alot through DLc.

[timber pond]

No the constructs command lesser bugs. In silksong you have to find a bug that escapes Zi and tries to summon void to fight back

[uncut holly]

I mean DLC for Hollow Knight continued a long time after it was made

[timber pond]

Jiji might be the bug Jhin commands

[vague jasper]

Damn that's kinda brutal, I would love to check it out but I just can't bear to play steel soul mode

[uncut holly]

Groall is very much a frog. But not a frog. I think the bug aspect gives it charm

[nimble walrus]

I feel like hk dlc was justified by the fact they had to release the game before they could add all they wanted because they took on kickstarter backers and loans and didn’t have 8 years to work on the game

[timber pond]

You bassicaly have to get to the blasted steps1 and she's in a room where the silk cocoon would be

[nimble walrus]

After all the time spent on silksong I don’t know what they couldn’t have added in time

[timber pond]

You get a boss fight that's void tendrils and corpses and it gives you no soul😂

[uncut holly]

Becauses if it where just bird people, or a giant frog. I mean yeah it would be cool, but i feel like it being within the world makes it alot more interesting.

[timber pond]

Silk*

[manic bobcat]

Boss re-fight mode and pantheon

[nimble walrus]

I don’t know what they could add besides adding a boss rush with a new ending

[vague jasper]

I think I can only get as far as greymoor without dying a single time

[waxen walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/ot7pegger-ot7peggers-gif-19519538

[manic bobcat]

Didn’t TC say there’s more dlc coming anyway?

[uncut holly]

I mean we got the Coral Caves cut. We also have the Poop Village cut, and also they have to make the Lion Village that was a kickstarter backer request

[timber pond]

Yeah they did

[vague jasper]

A completely new element, like the grimme troupe

[uncut holly]

The poop village must have sunk pacing

[vague jasper]

Why was coral caves cut

[timber pond]

Grimm could be a cool addition to apear in act 3, I would want to see what hornet says about him

[uncut holly]

We dunnoooooo!

[devout island]

was the bell bench with all the runes that was shown in one trailer cut from the final game ?

[uncut holly]

Just was. So was Steel Assasin Sharpe and his City Steel posie

[novel eagle]

WHERE IS GRAND FATHER SONG??

DID THEY scrap him ?

[uncut holly]

We also unfortunately lost this man

Seems like he was going to be in Greymoor or Far Fields

[novel eagle]

The area was surprisingly not colorful

[novel eagle]

Barnacle bay*

[vague jasper]

Whatever is cut from this game is cut out of choice and not a desperation tho, so I think its prolly for the good

[novel eagle]

Conch city

[uncut holly]

Whats Conch City?

[novel eagle]

wat I dont get is why it took 6 years

[novel eagle]

One for that guy and the other for khann
he wasnt originally intended to be a ||memory|| boss

[timber pond]

Its like the forest of bones all over again.It's the same damn thing that happened with hollow knight.😭

[uncut holly]

Damn they really went back on giving us sea creatures

[gleaming creek]

Perhaps they felt he looks too much like a snail?

[uncut holly]

Barnacles would have been cool

[vague jasper]

I think they kinda wanted coral caves to be a faded area

[nimble walrus]

Pablo in 2030 will answer everything

[novel eagle]

I feel like that wasnt scrapped
Dead docks might as well be it

[uncut holly]

But hes a poop if anything poop mains a sea snail.

[vague jasper]

Cool concept

[uncut holly]

I took place in barnacle bay so he would be a sea snail

[timber pond]

Thats what i mean it became the Marrow and Deepdocks

[nimble walrus]

Forest of bones was supposed to be in hk before being reworked into silksong

[timber pond]

So coral caves might come back somewhere else mabye

[novel eagle]

There is an eerily placed skull statue that does nothing
In one of the areas
with lva
Its on the side of a wall hanging

[vague jasper]

They already said it becuz of the development heaven but I also believe they didn't work as crazy fast on silksong they were prolly working like 4-6 hours a day which is good for them obviously I would not want them to crunch but I seriously hope that they expand their team

[timber pond]

It becomes a shortcut out of the chapel of the witch

[novel eagle]

Oh

[novel eagle]

Anyways my point is that skull statue is similar enough to the idea of the skull in forset of bonse too
So it was scrapped from hk only to be split up and placed into ss

[timber pond]

Yes

[nimble walrus]

What I don’t get is who is leaving behind all these bones are they just bug shells or are they actually vertebrates’ bones

[gleaming creek]

I do wonder if the Marrow's bones confirm that vertebrate animals exist in HK world.

[timber pond]

So im saying the same thing can happen with silksong scraped content

[novel eagle]

we need the pantheon rn so bad

I NEED IT

[vague jasper]

Well hornet does wonder in the journal if creatures that large could exist

[nimble walrus]

The spines with ribcages mean they are almost certainly some vertebrates

[vague jasper]

She says "if it wasn't for the bones as proof, I wouldn't believe such huge creatures can exist"

[novel eagle]

Oh by the way did you notice that in the beginning of the game, we are freed with lace's help from the cage?

[nimble walrus]

If non arthropod invertebrates exist then vertebrates did exist at some point

[novel eagle]

She rebelled against the mother by saving us but also tried to fight us

[gleaming creek]

Yeah, but it could be possible that bugs in HK universe just have spines

And ribcages lol

[nimble walrus]

That is such a wild leap they might as well be natural mineral formations

[drowsy mortar]

Found a secret room where you can find Widow praying to the SM

[uncut holly]

So Shakra might be related to that one Monk Ghost from Hollow Knight, in the Shakra boss fight theyre attacks are a lil similar

[novel eagle]

pic?

[lapis totem]

idk if this is interesting but the chinese translation for gand mother silk is "pale mother"

[novel eagle]

gime pic

[gleaming creek]

Fair, probably some non-insect vertebrate animal

[novel eagle]

grand mother silk makes more sense since u know lace / ||phantom|| is a silken child

[gleaming creek]

I've heard that the Chinese translation is of poor quality

[gleaming creek]

However, I think that "Pale Mother" is a pretty fitting name for the character too.

Even if it does imply some kind of relation to HK1's rulers

[novel eagle]

the hell?? Shes singing with us? 😭

[lapis totem]

yea true im just saying maybe there's ties to the pale beings somewhere idk

[drowsy mortar]

It's a memory, she's dead

[novel eagle]

Shes equal to the level of radiance, she is a pale being.

[lapis totem]

my chinese is too trash to confirm or deny

[nimble walrus]

Some of the sewing supplies wielded by enemies are really stretching “these weapons just look like human made objects” thin

[novel eagle]

Oh i see it now
I wonder why

[nimble walrus]

Like the ones that straight up use a safety pin

[stoic wind]

does garmond ||survive after his lost fight? i forgot||

[runic musk]

no

[novel eagle]

[lapis totem]

i dont think so hes just frozen dead forever

[novel eagle]

what about zaza tho

[runic musk]

Zaza's not corrupted

[novel eagle]

she just withers and dies of hunger..

[stoic wind]

yeah zaza lives i think

[runic musk]

they'll be fine, probably.

[novel eagle]

yeah but she'll die too she wont leave garmond's body

[runic musk]

unless they kill themselves through starvation or something.

[lapis totem]

zaza stays by his side and thanks us when we play the needolin

[stoic wind]

awwww

[gleaming creek]

As far as I understood, the translation is fine and accurate, but it's way too verbose to the point where it's nearly unintelligible because of how everyone is using very poetic, very flowery language.

[novel eagle]

Tbf its not like in english it is any more legible for those who dont know flowery poetic language.

[teal shell]

so it was translated without having any form of localisation

[runic musk]

anyway this doesnt tell me they survived the fight

[lapis totem]

to be fair the english text for some characters can be pretty distant to typical english grammar

[novel eagle]

nono it was localized im pretty sure theres one section in the credits

[teal shell]

doesnt seem like it was done enough lol

or in a more palatable way

[spare pendant]

i wonder what hornet would look like without her shell (the mask)

[lapis totem]

dead 😭

[gleaming creek]

True, but as far as I understand, the Chinese localizer team overdid it so much that many people were literally unable to understand anything because of how wordy it is?

[teal shell]

the game uses alot of like old english wording and the occasional scottish dialect so i could see that being annoying to translate

[lapis totem]

she has no shade so

[teal shell]

ahhhh so they went too far in the other extreme

[spare pendant]

she does have an exoskeleton which is separate from the shell i think

[lapis totem]

hopefully we get a language patch soon

[spare pendant]

im not a bug anatomist

[teal shell]

i think she just looks like that

[lapis totem]

in the final dream section we see hornet as a child, i think her shell is stuck onto her since birth

[teal shell]

the shades can live wothout the “mask” because theyre void

[spare pendant]

that is how shells work yes

[nimble walrus]

I am pretty sure shell refers to the exoskeleton for arthropods which is used instead of body in bug language

[gleaming creek]

Yeah. I think someone called it something to the effect of "Middle-schooler's understanding of Shakespearean English during improv"

Except it's Chinese

[teal shell]

right

[spare pendant]

oh

[nimble walrus]

Masks are separate from the shell

[teal shell]

hopefully they do a patch but atleast its not completely incomprehensible

[spare pendant]

they plan on it

[lapis totem]

i wonder who is the mossbag equivalent in the chinese community

[teal shell]

id assume hornet and pks “shell” is pretty much just their skin

the vessels are just weird

can you even classify the vessels as bugs

hornet is half “wyrm” and half arachnid what the fuck is she too

[spare pendant]

I'm pretty sure they're hollow bugs

[lapis totem]

do you think the knight has a mind now? during the events of ss

[spare pendant]

half weaver specifically, weavers are even more fucked up than most arachnids

[teal shell]

kinda key point of the voidheart n stuff is the knight doinf stuff of its own will and curiosity so it must have

[nimble walrus]

Based on hollow knight/pure vessel you can see that its black body has articulated joints meaning they are just not shown on the knight for artistic reasons

[lapis totem]

not to mention the whole daughter of three queens 😭

[spare pendant]

the knight always had a mind that's why they were discarded

[teal shell]

that’s metaphorical not literal

shes not literally a daughter of 3 diff queens

is a wyrm a bug

[lapis totem]

i know

[spare pendant]

i mean she is, just not by blood

[lapis totem]

oh so hallownest is still cooked in the base ending of hk

[spare pendant]

hallownest is always cooked

[nimble walrus]

Silksong shows that her needle is hivesteel

[spare pendant]

hallownest is a corpse

[teal shell]

the vessels are children of wyrm and root so their classification of creature is definitely not a bug

[teal shell]

hallownest was already cooked so removing the infection just lets it rest in silence

unless the knight decided to tear it down

[gleaming creek]

As far as I understood, Hornet didn't spend a lot of time with Herrah, or possibly moved away when she was very young?

[teal shell]

who knows

[lapis totem]

basically returning to the version the pale king stumbled onto

[neat sandal]

I though vessels is those "bug" designed to contain radiance?

[gleaming creek]

So Lady was her mother figure, while Vespa was her mentor. But this means that she barely remembers Herrah 😢

[teal shell]

i dont know if we can actually classify the vessels as bugs tho

[lapis totem]

also where is pure vessel? since the godhome ending seems to be canon from the final cutscene, hornet shouldve met and fought/ran from the guy

[nimble walrus]

She still mourns her

[spare pendant]

herrah was sealed when she was born

as a dreamer

[gleaming creek]

Oh right. That explains it

[timber pond]

Im just wondering where The Hollow Knight is since he is never directly shown in this game, especially if all the other shades are in the abyss.

[teal shell]

they had a little time together

[gleaming creek]

Totally forgot about that detail 😭

[teal shell]

but it was so long ago that hornet either refuses to or cannot remember her “face”

[obsidian quail]

they got some time together slightly after birth at least

[nimble walrus]

Thk is probably just shilling with its mom doing oddjobs for the kingdom

[spare pendant]

probably laid to rest

[gleaming creek]

We get a brief flash of it, but then it disappears.

[obsidian quail]

lil mom and vessel time

[neat sandal]

hallownest infracture still there.
and Hornet keep chasing people away so it dead
once, infection gone, Hornet at Pharloom, people will just move in Hollownest and it will revive

[teal shell]

the vessels are half wyrm (which may not even be a true bug of some kind) and “root” so i really dont not think that the vessels are actual bugs

[timber pond]

But if he were he would be a shade in the abyss with the others

[daring wedge]

how do i get here??

[teal shell]

hornets atleast half arachnid

[timber pond]

Because he has a shade

[vestal whale]

why i cant start Silk and Soul wish i did shakra wish and move caravan to putrified dust??

[jovial agate]

guys do you think that the bell eater is a more realistic grub or something?

[spare pendant]

Hallownest is dead. It can't come back. Other civilizations may rise in its place, just as civilizations existed in the same region before it.

[gleaming creek]

I'd honestly say vessels feel more like biological robots than anything else.

[teal shell]

nah lowkey i think hornet wouldnt kill thk

[jovial agate]

https://www.naturesselect.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/The-4-Stages-of-the-White-Grub-Lifecycle.png

[obsidian quail]

simple key to wormways door and drop down

[timber pond]

If you mean the rooms past bonegrave, that's a steel soul exclusive quest

[spare pendant]

they basically are, minus their shades

the shades animate them

[gleaming creek]

I think Bell Eater Beast is supposed to be some kind of woodlouse/roly poly

[teal shell]

bell eater is probably type of mite or lice because the bell beast looks like a wood lice to me

[spare pendant]

bell eater is literally a centipede

[obsidian quail]

people were saying earlier than only Vessels could survive being hollowed out, do u all agree that’s the case

[teal shell]

is it?

[spare pendant]

yeah

[teal shell]

oh yeah no ur right its super long isnt it

[neat sandal]

well. technically it just like rome collapse but replaced with country now called italy.
I same same but different but still same

[gleaming creek]

Oh my bad, I confused bell beast and bell eater

Yeah, bell eater is a centipede

[timber pond]

Widows had her mask removed and it caused her insanity and a loss of will. So without repercussions? Yes

[spare pendant]

It's more like peru vs the inca empire

[obsidian quail]

how does that indicate anything with Void

[timber pond]

I thought you meant hallowed out meaning having thier mask removed

[teal shell]

hallownest is dead as shit, the only way it lives on is roaming bugs stumbling into it and turning the ruins into something

[timber pond]

Since a mask gives a bug its identity

[spare pendant]

widow removed her mask because she's a fanatic

[teal shell]

theres like 10 people in hallownest, only 4 of them would probably talk to random outsiders or be found

[obsidian quail]

oh no i’m talking about being hollowed out like the vessels were

[gleaming creek]

Honestly, the ending of Silksong felt a lot more hopeful

[teal shell]

the vessels are only “hollow” because they hatched from the egg in the void

they arent actually hollow since multiple show forms of emotion in some way

[obsidian quail]

i’m wondering if the ancient civilization was similar in that they hollowed themselves out, hence “Void cleanse us”

[timber pond]

I don't think other bugs can lol vessels are void on the inside as in the substance that returns all to nothing

[obsidian quail]

or if that just meant bug delete

[spare pendant]

the only hollow vessel was the pure vessel, who turned into thk

[timber pond]

So they are "hollow"

[uncut holly]

So i have lored with Shellwood. It turns out that the stick bugs where really making bank off of eatting travelers. Sister Splinter apparently would have a pilgrim buffet and made sure that no one would get through their territory uneatten. But Nyleth apparently when they where alive changed this, it is said with Nyleth there all travelers where granted safe passage through their territory. So I think this kind of confirms that Nyleth is probably not a Higher Being and is probably just dead. They where the source of Shell Wood and they kept the peace allowing travelers to pass by, but when they died the Stick Bugs started eatting everybody, their death message after their boss fight is a reference to this.

[teal shell]

hollow knight wasnt even hollow

[spare pendant]

only as the pure vessel

[obsidian quail]

not hollow like that

[teal shell]

homeslice had a bonding moment they clearly have some semblance of emotion

[spare pendant]

hollow knight itself wasn't hollow anymore

[obsidian quail]

hollow in the way they’re all void on the inside

[spare pendant]

it was originally though

[obsidian quail]

physically

[teal shell]

nah the hollow knight wasnt never hollow

[spare pendant]

that's the whole reason pale king chose it

[uncut holly]

Nyleth is not higher being

[obsidian quail]

i’m wondering if the ancient civilization and the Vessels had similar body constitutions

[teal shell]

it was probably the first one out the abyss, you can see it turn around in the “dream” and has a bonding moment with pk while theyre still small

[neat sandal]

I still see plenty native bugs at dirtmouth and colosseum of fools

[obsidian quail]

not “Hollow” in the sense that PK was talking about

[teal shell]

the hollow knight wasnt hollow the pale king was just desperate

[timber pond]

Probably based on what the arcane egg says. Thats also probably where plae king got the idea

[teal shell]

he locked the abyss the second thk got out

[spare pendant]

pale king locked the abyss to outsiders, he didn't contain it

[teal shell]

he locked the vessels within it

[spare pendant]

no

[teal shell]

clearly not well enough but that was the goal

[spare pendant]

there isn't anything suggesting he was containing the vessels, he just figured they'd all die

and most of them did

like four escaped to our knowledge

[obsidian quail]

so u think the ancient civilization were voided out too?

[teal shell]

thk has a bonding moment not too long afterwards, thk was never “hollow” they were just convinced tbey were

you can say its not a bonding moment but if thk was truly emotionless they wouldnt look up at the pk

the vessels are curious, they think they are not

[obsidian quail]

this tangent wasn’t my intention 😔

[teal shell]

they are pretty much children told over and over to not have emotions thus meaning they believe they dont

[teal shell]

other civilisations definitely dabbled w the void but i doubt any were able to make anything akin to the vessels, i think that most bugs would die from being born in the abyss

[obsidian quail]

i just want to know what the Ancient Civilization meant by Void cleanse us, did they have a ritual to become like the Vessels

[polar yacht]

I'm confused as heck the citadel kept GMS in check for a while right but then the song faded enough from the citadel and the silk in the population reached a critical mass where they could be strung up and taken over.

[teal shell]

self sacrifice maybe

like an offering

[obsidian quail]

okay i can get behind that

they’re so interesting i want to see a Void kingdom

[spare pendant]

grandma silk only managed to control the population because of whiteward experiments

[gleaming creek]

I wonder if THK was always doomed, or if we accidentally caused it to develop sentience?

[teal shell]

no it was always doomed

i think path of pain is telling you thk was doomed to fail from the beginning

[gleaming creek]

Because during the escape from the abyss, right as the Knight is about to leave, it turns around and looks at us. Perhaps this was the spark which instigated its curiosity (ie. personality)

[obsidian quail]

the capacity in and of itself is proof it was always cooked

[near river]

I finished the true ending and I'm still not sure why hornet was taken to pharloom

[obsidian quail]

for that sweet silk

[spare pendant]

Grandma silk was kidnapping weavers for their silk production

[teal shell]

i dont think we were literally there it was more showing that thk was curious of its surroundings

[near river]

ohh grandma took the weavers for the silk

that makes sense

[spare pendant]

Lace needed to be sustained

[gleaming creek]

Is Lace a replacement pet after Weavers left?

[near river]

also, why are there so many statues with the beast (as in the ones you get your powers from)? did weavers make them (and why) or what

[spare pendant]

gms has motherhood in her nature

[teal shell]

thk probably had it drilled into them that they were emotionless, they were the perfect vessel and that nothing could go wrong so they essentially just assumed that they were actually emotionless despite the fact they definitely have them

[spare pendant]

the beast? do you mean the weaver mask?

[teal shell]

gms lives for being a mother pretty much

its not a pet that is gms daughter

[near river]

yeah that's pretty much the same thing-

isn't it

[gleaming creek]

They likely originate from Pharloom and were the dominant species in that region until they rebelled against their creator by leaving.

[spare pendant]

beast actually refers to the feral bugs of deepnest

weavers come from pharloom

hence the statues and weavenests

[near river]

wait I thought weavers were kids of the beast too what

[spare pendant]

herrah is a weaver

[neat sandal]

I think GMS never considered Weavers were her childs
only Lace (and Phantom)

[near river]

then why does hornet call pharloom a foreign land

[lapis totem]

but why the whole haunting thing? it seems like the memorium is a place the test the haunting on the wildlife, and the whiteward is where they test it on the citadel people?

[near river]

does she not know the nature of weavers

[teal shell]

dont think she reslly had a chance to figure it out

[spare pendant]

The haunting wasn't a thing until whiteward experiments where they tried to achieve immortality with silk. By putting so much silk into people, the haunting was allowed to happen

[teal shell]

i think there was bigger fish to fry in hallownest so there wasnt much interest in where the weavers came from

[lapis totem]

makes sense, is gms in control of the haunting or am i misunderstanding

[spare pendant]

yeah

unconsciously, but that doesn't matter much for a higher being

[gleaming creek]

Grandmother Silk is the creator of all Weavers. It's likely that Weavers used to be regular spiders before she gave them sentience.

Eventually Weavers got sick of being ruled by a god and abandoned their homeland and visited other lands, including at least some who made it to Hallownest.

The group living in Hallownest was led by a big lady named Herrah, who was nicknamed as "Beast" by the locals because of how feared her.

Also, Hornet was born in Hallownest, so while her mom was likely a Pharloom citizen, Hornet herself is not.

[near river]

I know all the hollow knight lore lol

[uncut holly]

The Citadel might have killed Nyleth?

And then because they killed Nyleth the Stick Bugs didnt have anyone to stop them from eatting the travelers

But they did it to stop them from harming the travelers which they werent, because Nyleth was managing them. So they killed Nyleth and caused the problem

[teal shell]

also herrah didnt want hornet to associate with the weavers iirc

i feel like i remember that being a thing do call me out if i pulled it out my ass

im zonked so my facts arent all there

[near river]

she said that in red memory I think

[gleaming creek]

It seems like that was mutual however, since the Weavers considered her a disappointment for her subpar silk production skills.

[teal shell]

yeah so i doubt hornet wouldve been able to find out that pharloom was a place

[uncut holly]

Herrah didnt want the Weavers pushing their ideas on what she should do on her

[near river]

are all the mentions of "sinners" about the weavers?

[spare pendant]

pharloom weavers >>>> hallownest weavers

[uncut holly]

The Weavers had all these plans for her like having her liberate their home land, and a bunch of other stuff.

[near river]

obviously first sinner is but it isn't the only mention of sinners

[spare pendant]

weavers sucked until they ran back to pharloom

[gleaming creek]

I dunno, their dialogue makes it seem like the Hallownest Weavers saw Hornet as a failure and disappointment.

[teal shell]

i think the infection and protecting hallownest was a tad bit more important to hornet

[maiden meteor]

I think Pharloom weavers intended for Hornet to do the same thing

[uncut holly]

Sinners are just people the Citadel labeled as bad and to be punished that htey dont like. The Flies are sinners and all the people who where chained to the floor with bags on their heads where "sinners"

[spare pendant]

they weren't as openly judgey though

[indigo quartz]

Hey is Silksong supposed to be a prequel or sequel to Hollow knight

[uncut holly]

Eventually Hornet did listen to Herrah and when the Weavers fled Hallownest because things where going down hill Hornet didnt go with them

[teal shell]

sequel

[indigo quartz]

Ok

[gleaming creek]

To be fair, none of them have a deep bond with Hornet. It could just be that the Weavers are just polite to a stranger.

[uncut holly]

Eventually GMS found Hornet though because they where a Weaver technically

[teal shell]

half weaver half pale being is probably a bit intriguing

[gleaming creek]

For all that we know, if Hornet sat down and talked to a Pharloom Weaver, they might start being judgemental too.

[maiden meteor]

I think weavers just didn’t really like PK and wanted to groom Hornet into weaver mentality

[uncut holly]

The Weaver burial shrines all refer to Hornet from their memory when you meet them. But the creation of the Weaver Grave sites is weird because Weavers dont die to old age

[maiden meteor]

which didn’t really work cause she was close to White Lady it seems

[gleaming creek]

That is also certainly possible.

[uncut holly]

Im not sure whats up with them, but we see Weavers are buried there

[maiden meteor]

Maybe they’re more of entombed

[spare pendant]

hornet also just IS a pale being

[uncut holly]

Technically all the Vessels are Pale Beings then

[maiden meteor]

We see First Sinner in the same stone-like state but them she awakens and attacks

[gleaming creek]

Perhaps they just die from a violent death instead?

[uncut holly]

Not all of them have the Pale Kings level of gusto

I mean maybe they could have just been laid to rest there

[gleaming creek]

Weavers seem tough, but they can be killed in combat

[teal shell]

i think being born in the abyss probably throws off the pale being status somewhat

[maiden meteor]

I feel like Weavers could willing seal themselves in those tombs

so that Hornet would find and bind them

and maybe it also kept them away from GMS’ eyes

[uncut holly]

The one in Shell Wood was supposedly known for beating up the native inhabitants of shell wood. I think its possible maybe maaaaaaaaaaybe they where responsible for Nyleths death or that the Citadel killed Nyleth at some point. Because Nyleth was stopping the stick bugs from eatting people

When Nyleth died they started eatting people, and her death message is a reference to this

[ionic helm]

so is the implication that the "ancient civilization" was also in pharloom?

[uncut holly]

The Weaver memorial shrine also mentions them eatting people

[gleaming creek]

Not as far as I know?

[uncut holly]

Sister Splinter is also well known for eatting a ton of pilgrims and not allowing any to escape

Nyleth supposedly stopped that though, which is why its confirmed their dead.

[maiden meteor]

maybe to lesser extent than in Hallownest but most certainly yes

[timber pond]

You can find an arcane egg in the abyss though and tablets saying stuff

[uncut holly]

Other lore tid-bits is the Craws where never haunted, or atleast a good amount of Craws where not haunted.

Craws actually seemed to be thriving in the Haunting

[gleaming creek]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about the tablets

Didn't find an arcane egg tho 😔

[maiden meteor]

makes sense cause they send you an invitation to fight

[timber pond]

The arcane egg also mentions Shades so mabye the idea for the vessels the plae king pulled from the ancient pepole

[gleaming creek]

I think Seth flat out states that Craws just don't speak English

Or whatever the bug language in HK is

[maiden meteor]

there seem to be multiple

[drowsy mortar]

Eva apparently can sense thoughts, interesting

[maiden meteor]

like that ant trader that speaks unknown language

[ruby salmon]

question, did anyone check out Styx in the steel soul mode?
Anything interesting there, since his function is seemingly of no use for Hornet now?

[gleaming creek]

Yeah, so at least ants and craws have their own unique languages.

[maiden meteor]

you can trade silkeaters afaik but Styx is prob dead

[teal shell]

buglish

[maiden meteor]

Buglarian

[teal shell]

there must be some form of centralised language if pharloom speaks the same as hallownest

well actually

its not impossible that pharloom speaks a weaver language which extended to deepnest, itd be weird if pale king didnt have his own language

[gleaming creek]

Probably DnD logic, where everyone speaks the "common langauge" that is used primarily by humans but understood by most other species as well.

[uncut holly]

The Crawfather Judge also seemingly according to the journal entry, has grasp of concepts like Void, and the Silk Mother, and knows what you did. Thats why they sent you the invitation

[maiden meteor]

Hornet does say she speaks many languages

and Pharloom’s signs writing looks different from Hallownest’s

[uncut holly]

How does the big bird know exactly that you are responsible I dont know but they do

[teal shell]

deepnest and pharloom prob speak the same language

id assume the mantis people speak their own too

[uncut holly]

Even Hornet is confused how

[teal shell]

mushrooms and hive adopted pks language since theyre a hivemind or just for more fluid communication needed for outsiders

i think that makes enough sense

[gleaming creek]

Crows are known for their intelligence and social behavior, so perhaps he heard on the grapevine, and decided to settle it with you.

[teal shell]

crows are extremely intelligent birds

[neat sandal]

so weaver can't have childs
in the talk with Eva

[gleaming creek]

Plus, he already has a bone to pick with you, probably didn't need much of a motivation to invite you.

[uncut holly]

Maybe but the Act 3 incident happened in the Cradle and was isolated. Maybe they just heard the gossip?

Probably heard gossip

[teal shell]

crows have eyes everywhere

even tho they arent actually crows but i think theyre close enough

bug shaped crows

[maiden meteor]

I think it’s said they can but it’s extremely hard and painful

[gleaming creek]

A few more cynical characters also seem to know that Hornet did it even before she tells them.

Most notably the music keeper centipede.

[teal shell]

i think itd be pretty obvious who caused the repture

[uncut holly]

The craws in the craw court fight also wear steel beaks, and black cloaks. Hornet comments on how they blame her for the end, they have all gathered because its the end and they know its coming. And they are condemning you for causing it.

Hornet comments that they are killing their only chance to fix it

[teal shell]

if someone was going around asking questions about the giant citadel and such, then everything went to shit, id assume its their faukt

[maiden meteor]

Vaultkeeper is here when you get Keeper Melody

so he must know you’re up to something

[gleaming creek]

I mean, they probably know that Hornet is responsible, but don't know the details.

As far as they know, there is no fixing it, so might as well just take revenge on the person who is going to destroy your world.

[uncut holly]

Apparently the Crawfather does...

Implications

[maiden meteor]

I don’t really think crows grasp the concept of fixing it at all

They just condemned you so they must kill you

[uncut holly]

Probably not they dont know what your gonna do

And they have been attacking you and attacking pilgrims all game

So they dont really have reason in their wheel house

[maiden meteor]

Before you was just a trespasser for them

[uncut holly]

For having a court and seeing you as guilty, which apparently isnt a normal thing its something they got together for. They really dont seem to care about their own crimes

[gleaming creek]

Yeah, craws are also not nice. Their entire culture seems to be based on pillaging and stealing.

[uncut holly]

They rob pilgrims for their rosaries because their shiny

[teal shell]

they are lowkey more like magpies

[gleaming creek]

Scarecrows do work on them

[teal shell]

magpies love shinies

thats like their whole bit

[gleaming creek]

But to be fair, it might be less that they're scared of the scarecrow, and more so that they're scared of the dozens of pelts on display

[uncut holly]

Man i cant wait for a Godhome rematch of Craw Court, Craw Court is terrifying because its Craws, and Craws are one of the worst things in this game, but still its really cool

[maiden meteor]

tbf if I saw giant statue made of my fallen comrades’ clothes id be scared too

[uncut holly]

Multiple Craws are the worst thing

It probably wont be exactly Godhome but some kind of rematch system

[gleaming creek]

Cogflies tear through them

[uncut holly]

Oh yeah thats how you do that fight

[teal shell]

weavehome

[maiden meteor]

this scarecrow is more likely a display of “This place is under protection so don’t you dare”

[honest spade]

OK so if you come here later after finishing his second wish, it seems his body detoriates further

[teal shell]

just godhome but a bunch of silk

[ionic helm]

the weavers cant have been the ancient civilization in hallownest, could they? you find a weavers den in the abyss in pharloom

[teal shell]

i just want a rematch dlc bc the bosses are so much more fun in this game

[ruby salmon]

there's also a secret miniboss fight a few rooms below

[maiden meteor]

I do wonder what prompted Lifeblood to go this nuts

[tawdry flare]

No she Is Not

[sonic flare]

wait yeah!!?!!?

[honest spade]

i know this is not the channel to discuss that but you do know that if you hit their thrown pins (and 80% of other enemy projectiles) you can render them harmless, right?

[sonic flare]

shes like half pale being

[spark valve]

they aren't nor are they the ancient civilization in pharloom they just found the abyss later

[spare pendant]

she's explicitly called a pale being

[maiden meteor]

abyss weavenest is likely relatively recent

[winter iris]

I noticed, from streams, Lost Lace punishes jumping way too much.

[spare pendant]

she calls herself one too

[tawdry flare]

No she isn't

She is referred to as pale but never as pale being

[gleaming creek]

It's implied that Lifeblood is a highly aggressive species. It's just that we as demigods are resistant to its negative effects and can reap all the benefits.

[spare pendant]

ughhhh im tired there is alr a google drive with all silksong dialogue

[honest spade]

yea i already fought the assistant LOL.
it seems plasmium really is not the best thing to use.
idk how the Knight uses so much lifeblood and never got any side effects. cuz they are void?

[maiden meteor]

probably made to explore the void, maybe even in attempt to deal with GMS

[teal shell]

being half pale os most certainly pale enough

[spare pendant]

she counts herself among the pale beings, different from being described as pale

[foggy fractal]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fXWZMaeHiBTY1D6P2cuO929M0iXIYTXdeMifmLQ71sA/edit?usp=sharing

[spark valve]

💀

[honest spade]

:O

[ruby salmon]

i guess they're literally superhuman in a way yes, pretty sure the funny juice doesnt work on them in a normal way

[maiden meteor]

but Joni is kinda chill…

[teal shell]

if being half weaver is enough to be considered one then being half pale being probably adds up

[foggy fractal]

wow ! epic fail !

[gleaming creek]

Joni isn't the plant itself however.

[teal shell]

what if hornet just has the sauce

have we considered that hornet does have the sauce

[tawdry flare]

Are you referring to this line?

[spark valve]

this is just talking about wyrm ancestry she knows she's not a wyrm

[spare pendant]

lifeblood/plasmium can seemingly be consumed without overdosing

[drowsy mortar]

What "life born from Silk" has Hornet seen before lace...?

[maiden meteor]

I think weavenests in general were built as safeguarded research sites to find possible solutions against GMS

[tawdry flare]

would shakra still love her if she was a wyrm

[drowsy mortar]

"I have seen life woven from Silk before, but tiny, transient"

What is this in reference to?

[tawdry flare]

probably Silk Constructs like the servitors or something

[maiden meteor]

maybe little guys from Weaversong

[ruby salmon]

they were created with soul, no?

[uncut holly]

So we can duel both Garmand & Zaza, and Shakra. Im not too sure they are intending any kind of Godhome type thing where you can fight normally not fightable people

Because they already have the ability to duel friendly NPC's who can fight you

[maiden meteor]

Sherma boss fight

[ruby salmon]

Godhome has to appear later on, or any other kind of boss rush, but personally i expect Seekers to return

just like the steel creatures have returned as well

[uncut holly]

I dont think Godhome will appear, if it does it wont be Godhome

[maiden meteor]

Gilded Conductor Sherma

[teal shell]

i mean the shade lord popping up in pharloom would strike some interest to the godseekers right?

plus gms being there

[uncut holly]

Godhome showed up to Hallownest because of the Pale King and was confused when they found him not there, presumeably because there was extreme travel delay.

[maiden meteor]

implying they weren’t torn apart by shade lord

[tawdry flare]

that would canonize one specific ending whereas silksong currently seems to take place after DNM and ETV

[teal shell]

well the shadelord shows up

albeit brief flashes but it must exist in some capacity

[ionic helm]

i just dont really understand why hornet wouldnt tell the professor if shes seen the ways that lifeblood has destroyed before as the hunters journal suggests

[teal shell]

wait no thats dumb dlc never takes place postgame its during the story

[maiden meteor]

Even if shade lord didn’t kill Godseeker they aren’t really in shape to travel anymore

[uncut holly]

Godhome without the Knights interference doesnt seem to get far. The Godseekers seemingly cant attune well enough without The Knight. Why I dunno

[teal shell]

is there only one godseeker? i assumed thered be multiple

[ruby salmon]

same

[spark valve]

godseeker is absorbed into the lord of shades in embrace the void

[tawdry flare]

yeah so do the siblings but they vanish when the shade lord is onscreen implying that it's supposed to be either ending

[uncut holly]

But the Godseekers dont mess things up unless The Knight frees and interacts with them

[maiden meteor]

I think Knight basically just sorts out all of the unworthy

[neat sandal]

hey. how huntress childs look like?
reference there is text about you gave those meat to them at act 3

[spark valve]

people cope about this insanely hard even though it's obviously true

[teal shell]

that is true but i shot myself in the foot bc dlc doesnt really rake place after the main games story anyway

[tawdry flare]

Real,

[uncut holly]

So assuming its a normal ending like the original True Ending, Godseeker would probably still be in the sarcophagus maybe

[teal shell]

maybe smth involving the nightmare heart looking for a suitable host?

[spark valve]

it doesn't do that

[teal shell]

dude idk im grasping at straws here

[left glade]

is there a reason why some ants and white and red

[uncut holly]

I think its paint

[teal shell]

paint or bones

[maiden meteor]

I headcanon that Knight uses up all items before ending

[teal shell]

i headcanon that the knight just chills in those soul pools for the rest of time

[ruby salmon]

Needolin can basically travel Hornet back in time, no?
so maybe we could find a Godseekers mask and enter their plane of existence even if they were wiped out after all

[uncut holly]

What happens to Grimm Child when the Knight becomes a Shade Lord? I dunno maybe hes just there in his pocket.

[maiden meteor]

nope, only to enter memories

[spare pendant]

Not sure where this is said at a glance (probably obvious from the entry name) but here she accepts the title of "pale being" from karmelita;

My strength... my power... Could you claim it, pale beast? Are you so strong?...[Hornet]:Let us find out together, great one...
And here, GMS is described as "one of her pale kin" rather than "pale one of her kin", which grammatically implies they're both pale:
<entry name="SNAILS_ACT3_MEET_PT2">[NPC]:You seem displeased, Old One. We only did as you asked, yes? The snare is sprung, the creature consumed.[Hornet]:You bound it to that void![NPC]:Don't play daft. You should well know our family's fixations. Surely you had a hunch?<page=B>How else could we hope to trap one of your pale kin? Or see her consumed with such insatiable efficiency?[Hornet]:Then you have miscalculated, gravely. The white knight, she fell with the mother...<page=M>Oh ho... The quakes, yes? We have felt their force, even here. So the mother resists the dark... to save the child? [Hornet]:That is my guess. I must descend to the void below, and see clear that truth for myself.<page=M>Ohhhh. How… unfortunate. All of Pharloom will fall to her flailing.[Hornet]:So it may, but I will not watch idle while it crumbles.</entry>

And here, in red memory, the weavers describe her as "child born pale"

<entry name="MEMORY_RED_01">...Child born pale...</entry>

[uncut holly]

Theres not many ways the Nightmare Heart, like the Radiance, can die. But maybe that would be one of them.

[spare pendant]

back to "sleep" i go

[left glade]

he prob goes off to start a troop like grim

[teal shell]

needolin enters memories but it can alter them, i dont think it alters those true events but it allows her to take something from them

[uncut holly]

Grimm Child is just along the ride, watching Shade Lord kill and eat Godseeker and hoping it doesnt remember its there

[teal shell]

it alters the memory not the event if that makes sense

[maiden meteor]

it’s also kinda how it works with dreams I think

[tawdry flare]

Someone being described as pale ≠ being a Pale Being. Pale Being is a very specific title. As for the kin stuff, Hornet is related to the Pale Beings so like... they're her kin

[left glade]

then how does it alter stuff outside of the memory

[maiden meteor]

like we get dream nail in dream realm and it carries over to normal world

[spark valve]

the needolin is most likely being used to enter dreams

[uncut holly]

I mean Grimm Child is with you during the events of the game, Grimm even mentions what adventures you will go on.

[teal shell]

i dont think its a dark souls time travel thing where what you do in the “past” is actually just what happened

i dont think hornet actually killed the coral dude

it was just the memory of him

[tawdry flare]

She has his heart

[ionic helm]

infinite dupe glitch?

[maiden meteor]

Hornet destroys his body as well

[neat sandal]

we inception with needolin

[tawdry flare]

yeah memories don't use rosaries fired from the rosary cannon

[teal shell]

the shamans need extreme power to just get the flower from a memory so i do not know

[arctic sparrow]

How come shakra calls us "a child" while virtually every other bug calls us old?

[maiden meteor]

mind that Everbloom is special case and Hornet also doesn’t remember it too well

[left glade]

bc shes shorter

[teal shell]

i would assume that the memories and hornets tampering isnt what actually happened in the past though

[teal shell]

belittling her bc shes smaller than every other bug prob lmfao

[maiden meteor]

Shamans basically had to fish a faint memory of a very powerful artifact

[teal shell]

true but i doubt its still an easy task to manifest an item from a clear memory

i dont wanna be mr dark souls but ds2 involved going into the “memory of a giant” and those were literal events that you tampered in and led to the events you playthru in the present, i dont think its that

[maiden meteor]

I don’t think it’s also possible to manifest “normal” item

[teal shell]

if it is then its pretty poorly portrayed as such anyway

[maiden meteor]

Everbloom seems to me more like a concept

Light so bright it can repel void

[teal shell]

well it is a literal flower

its the same as the delicate from hk i believe

could be wrong tho

[maiden meteor]

Yeah but like, it’s a bit more ephemeral in nature

[elder nymph]

What ending does Hornet reference from HK?

[teal shell]

i feel like showing the delicate flower causing the shadelord and godseeker to poof then showing a similar looking flower repelling the void while slowly breaking down is meant to imply theyre the same

[teal shell]

both embrace the void and dream no more

[maiden meteor]

we see Everbloom do all sorts of weird stuff

like when you place it on the grave it rapidly sprouts new blooms somehow

[teal shell]

the game leans enough both ways to not make an ending definitive

[neat sandal]

why can't hornet create second flower when she swimup from void

[teal shell]

i dont think she knows it can do that lol

[maiden meteor]

my theory is that Everbloom might be some sort of extension of Higher Being’s power

When we give White Queen the flower she says it’s “not of me”

[teal shell]

thats not unbelievable

[elder nymph]

Hornet says some such about standing by while a kingdom suffers

And she won't do that again talking about pharloom

[teal shell]

pretty much what she did in hallownest

[dense chasm]

Is Trobbio conected tot he Grim troupe?

[elder nymph]

I hope so

[teal shell]

she just hunted rogue vessels

[elder nymph]

Also, those mirrors never see use.

[maiden meteor]

So maybe what Hornet actually gets from Red Memory might be White Lady’s light, given Everbloom’s form

[timber pond]

Damn guess igotta wait until Hollowknight :Steel Born to know who the fuck the Everbloom Pale being is😭

[maiden meteor]

I think Everbloom is universal to all Higher Beings

[teal shell]

it might just be specific to white lady since shes root

[elder nymph]

When will Lace be playable ya think?

[maiden meteor]

we see White Lady hold one in Red Memory which would make no sense if she refuses it in HK

[timber pond]

Idk, Zemer says she got hers from a land far

mabye she just means diffrent everblooms

[elder nymph]

Hornet goes to great lengths to save a child of silk who doesnt want to live

[timber pond]

and if so who created the ones zemer has

[maiden meteor]

other option is unlimited apocalypse upon Pharloom

[timber pond]

well because otherwise GMS would bring the entire land into the abyss lol

[maiden meteor]

Hornet isn’t really thrilled about risking her life by diving into the void but there’s no options

[elder nymph]

I disagree. There is another option. Well, should be.

Its not there but I wish it was

Crying bud + Lace + Abyss 🙂

[timber pond]

nah they want to save that mystery it seems

greyroot is something thats for sure

[maiden meteor]

I don’t think void would be phased by crying bud

[neat sandal]

now. back to think
if Lace can be called a bug then why not?

[timber pond]

can parasitize litteraly anyone and anything

[teal shell]

lace is an artificial bug where as the vessels are half root and half wyrm which is kinda just an odd set of things

the vessels arent artificially created they are born from an egg but they have weird ahh parents

[elder nymph]

Genetics in hollow knight be weird

[maiden meteor]

Afaik Godseeker calls us crawler or something so close enough

[ancient scroll]

The everbloom was given by zemer right? I wonder what the relation is with the white lady

[timber pond]

Certain pale beings can create them it seems

[maiden meteor]

Everbloom in HK yeah, Everbloom in Silksong I doubt

[elder nymph]

The white lady did sleep around

[uncut holly]

It is possible that Greyroot seeing as they are the same creature as White Lady is also a Higher Being. Which would make them a Higher Being parasite that absorbs the power of people and erupts out of them.

[elder nymph]

A lot

[midnight vault]

If the Knight pre-Shadelord was put in Hornet’s place in Pharloom do you think they’d steamroll everything?

[uncut holly]

Eva is also terrified of Greyroot when you go there

[maiden meteor]

I don’t really think Greyroot is all the way up there with Higher Beings

[timber pond]

Basically if white lady were Grimm lmao

[uncut holly]

I mean Greyroot does kill GMS

[elder nymph]

If HK went to Pharloom the silk would recoil as you went up

[uncut holly]

Greyroot is if White Lady was openly aggressive

[timber pond]

except it can exponentialy grow in power

[midnight vault]

Hornet does the work tbh

[uncut holly]

Well thing is is that GMS cant really die besides being Binded by a Weaver

[quartz flicker]

we still know very little about White Lady.

[maiden meteor]

I think it stars draining off GMS’ powers growing exponentially

[uncut holly]

So Greyroot is powerful enough to kill GMs in another way

[maiden meteor]

because Hornet seems to hold well enough against it

[elder nymph]

And that doesnt turn out good at all. Rinse and repeat

[quartz flicker]

I'm not even sure if White Lady is anything close to the Radiance or GMS.

[uncut holly]

Its implied that if Hornet does not get Greyroot treated with Yarnaby it will kill them, because Greyroot saw them as a valid candidate for the "Rebirth"

[midnight vault]

All the greyroot does is take advantage of a weakened gms after the fight I see that as less power and just opportunistic

[uncut holly]

It also does kill Hornet in the Cursed ending and GMS

[maiden meteor]

I think the intended way for greyroot to go is to kill normal bug and emerge as new witch

GMS was an unexpected variable

[elder nymph]

Not everything is on par from birth

[uncut holly]

Well we know that Greyroot is definitely powerful enough to harm GMS in a way that isnt standard to most bugs. Because Hornet never gets the chance to bind GMS

Pretty sure Greyroots identity never changes, its like a Pheonix its always Greyroot afterward.

Hornet would have definitely died if they didnt get treatment though

[maiden meteor]

Greyroot just seems a little too out of place for Higher Beings

[uncut holly]

I mean they are the same type of creature as White Lady, and White Lady in game just kind of sits there and doesnt do much.

[maiden meteor]

it has none of definitive characteristic besides being able to syphon GMS

[quartz flicker]

the Nightmare Heart is also extremely weird

[uncut holly]

Mistakes you for Dung Defender

[uneven island]

I like the idea that Hornet can't understand ant language but she can understand whatever that tree root guy is saying

[maiden meteor]

It at least stands in line with light-related thematic (being fueled by nightmare flame)

[midnight vault]

I don’t think that’s ever implied

[maiden meteor]

and also interacting with dream realm

[uncut holly]

They have a very similar look, with their eyes. And they are the only two creatures we know that are roots not bugs, or mosskin.

[neat sandal]

cause white lady is the tree too

[midnight vault]

Not every bug and plant is the same species like you wouldn’t call the moss grotto bugs the greenpath bugs

[maiden meteor]

I always saw White Lady as a flatworm kinda thing

[uncut holly]

Greyroot and White Lady are meant to be the same creature with maybe some differences due to the color. They have the same eyes and are both the only Roots we know, infact Root is their species technically

White Lady is a root

[muted lantern]

I do find it a little odd that lacenet is still such a popular ship, doesn't the game explicitly state lace has the mind of a child somewhere? But maybe I'm not remembering correctly? Does anyone remember the line I'm thinking of?

[uncut holly]

I mean Lace is a psycho and I dont think they would get along

Well we know they really dont get along

[maiden meteor]

similar eyes is really ambiguous

[midnight vault]

Hornets main motivation for saving lace is to save pharloom otherwise she just gives her some therapy

[neat sandal]

you can be manchild even if you 50

[uncut holly]

They have a similar black eyes with shinyness in them

[maiden meteor]

other than that Id say Greyroot has pretty distinctive physiology

[muted lantern]

Greyroot and wl have a lot of design similarities

[uncut holly]

They are smaller but they are both roots, they have different color but similar eyes, also we dont know any other root creatures that exist in Hollow Knight. The only plants we know are Fungus, Mosskin, and Roots and its likely that Greyroot is a root like White Lady

[neat sandal]

but if TC want, they can just make Lace evo like pokemon or something

[uncut holly]

And we know that White Lady is a higher being

Doesnt really mean all Roots are higher beings but we do see Greyroot do some stuff

[maiden meteor]

Why would we even assume White Lady has to be a conventional plant

[manic bobcat]

What is going on with all the greyroot stuff?

[midnight vault]

Greyroot is more than likely just a parasitic plant that happened to be in the right place and time by the ending to take two weakened powerful beings at birth. IMO it just got lucky

[maiden meteor]

it’s like saying Seer is a higher being because she’s moth like radiance

[uncut holly]

Well in the Hollow Knight world, there only exists Mushrooms, Mosskin, and Roots. All other plants are bugs pretending to be plants.

[severe siren]

The Muckmaggot is the Hector

[midnight vault]

Half of greenpath has hostile plants

[uncut holly]

They might not be, but they are definitely powerful. Greyroot is powerful enough to overpower Hornet

[uncut holly]

These are Mosskin

[midnight vault]

Snappers? Those spore things

[maiden meteor]

Only after Hornet has exhausting fight with GMS

[uncut holly]

And Mosskin are all made by Unn

[uncut holly]

Those are also bugs

All Shell Wood stuff is bugs

[midnight vault]

No???? Nyleth is def not just a bug

[maiden meteor]

Also I really dont think that some deranged doctor’s torture device would be enough to subdue a whole higher being

[uncut holly]

Nyleth might not be a bug, they also might be we really dont know. But what is very likely is that Nyleth is not a Higher Being.

[maiden meteor]

all points to the greyroot being pretty weak and simply opportunistic

[uncut holly]

I mean Greyroot is stronger than you, and probably most creatures that exist

[midnight vault]

Its a parasite you try opening up your skin to remove a tapeworm

[uncut holly]

They also are meant to be a parrllel to White Lady. White Lady is obbsessed with Birth, Greyroot twists that in that its Rebirth.

[maiden meteor]

if it’s stronger than Hornet why can it be mostly removed simply by surgery

[uncut holly]

Greyroot is meant to be a twist on White Lady. We dont know if its on the same power level as White Lady, but the fact it is able to steal power from a god does give it a certain level of credibility.

Also the fact that Eva was afraid of it, but Eva is pretty fragile.

Eva said something along the lines of, you wont take me to.

[maiden meteor]

Eva sees Hornet through her crest and Greyroot subsumed it

[uncut holly]

It isnt ever removed by the surgery it just chills out

[maiden meteor]

so likely when Eva tries to peek into her mind she sees this twisted thing

[uncut holly]

Post surgery Eva says nothing, when you have it though they put up a barrier and dont let you close to them

[maiden meteor]

Hornet says something along the lines “What remains of it is weak enough for me to claim its power as mine”

[uncut holly]

Im pretty sure the intention was that Greyroot is related to White Lady, in that they are the same type of creature. And that they are a spin on White Lady in that they are into Rebirth instead of Birth which is White Ladys thing.

[uncut holly]

Yeah, which means it could still be alive. But it wasnt directly killed by a normal surgery, either Hornet subsumed it, but I think its more likely its just still around.

The reason why it worked is because Hornet is part Wyrm

If left alone it probably would have killed them though, because Greyroot deliberately looks as them as sees them as a candidate.

[maiden meteor]

but still most of it could simply be cut out

it’s also implied iirc that normaly Greyroot parasitizes in normal bugs

[uncut holly]

It does have alot of normal bugs in its basement, but I think its still around even after the surgery because you are using its power. It either is just dormant and weak, or subsumed.

It might have been really vulnerable in that phase aswell

[maiden meteor]

it’s basically just an evil parasite being dealt an insane hand

[uncut holly]

I dont think Hornet could beat normal Greyroot

I personally think its literally the same level as White Lady. And that this insanely powerful entity is just living in Pharloom and killing many pilgrims who go to them as Pavo says its a good luck thing to go over there.

It definitely doesnt show off, but it also has a eerie aura when you enter its room.

[neat sandal]

it just parasite.
parasite can kill you does not make it stronger than you or some kind of higher species

[uncut holly]

Its whole thing is rebirth, the act of rebirthing when not being a revival usually entails coming back stronger

Various things like the Pheonix come back stronger after Rebirth

[chrome cloud]

Gang what ending do we think Silksong follows

[uncut holly]

Also we see it destroys the entire Citadel upon coming back with GMS so ti does get stronger

It probably absorbs the power of its host, which means it has been amassing power for a very long time

[flint relic]

Hi guys! Just stopping by to ask what fourth chorus really is and what its purpose was? I know there were more of them (as seen in the architects workplace), I just dont understand the purpose of constructing such huge automatons.

[uncut holly]

Either it absorbed GMS's power, or it could just always do that

[timber pond]

Pepole debate between dream no more and embrace the void.

I personally think embrace the void because The hollow knights very obvious and massive shade has not returned to the void

[lucid smelt]

dream no more

[chrome cloud]

Delicate Flower?

[fiery coral]

one of the endings spoiler (possibly an unused ending) ||do we know if this ending is achievable normally? This was in the in game files as Ending_B||

[timber pond]

Probably to maintain the citadel and for construction work

[uncut holly]

I think thats if you fail the Grand Mother Silk Fight theres a punishment Cutscene

That cutscene is GMS winning and using Hornet as a host when they "wake"

[chrome cloud]

How do you get that

[jaunty fog]

Is lace’s body not her own or smt? I beat her in cradle and she said something about a husk shaped like a child and collapsed

[uncut holly]

The other way around is Hornet Binding GMS just like they do the Weavers.

[lucid smelt]

really interested of the lore of grand mother silk, do we know where she comes from? what species she is?

[chrome cloud]

Huh

[fiery coral]

i see people dying to GMS all the time and no one got this

[uncut holly]

Lace's body is made of Silk and is supposedly very very hard to sustain, I dont really know the specifics but its likely that Grand Mother Silks whole motivation hinges on Lace

[sacred heath]

If that’s true, it’s certainly not when you fail the || act 2 fight ||
can speak from experience

[uncut holly]

I dunno thats just what I heard

I havent seen it

[flint relic]

There's a pilgrim somewhere that goes on about hearing the laughter of a child.

[sacred heath]

maybe it’s if you die from a specific attack?

[lucid smelt]

could possibly be a steel soul ending

[timber pond]

She is a pale beings like the white lady and pale king

[sacred heath]

like the wicked 3 mask one

[chrome cloud]

Maybe its if you bind her while having the snare?

[cloud plover]

What do you guys think the most likely DLCs are? I think an act 4 expansion is very likely to be the first one, obviously godhome will come at some point, and maybe a plasminium expansion that goes in depth on its properties and lore implications, steel city and sharpe could be included in these as well or a separate dlc but i’m not as confident in that

[neat sandal]

cause it is unused cutscene

[fiery coral]

oh that might be it

[lucid smelt]

i gathered that much 😂

[crude tinsel]

Have we found out if its a sequel or prequel mb if its a dumb question

[sacred heath]

steel city is absolutely getting expanded on I think

[chrome cloud]

Very unlikely but I hope there's like an area inbetween kingdoms. the quirrel comic has always been so interesting to me I wanna dee more of that

[fiery coral]

here's the full clip if anyone is interested (no sound)

[cloud plover]

i hope so

[lucid smelt]

sequel

[sacred heath]

it’s pretty conclusively a sequel

[timber pond]

They clearly cut the steel assassins because the context didn't line up so they might use them in a diffrent context now.

[lucid smelt]

ima wait till mossbag tells me what to think

[crude tinsel]

Wait so why

[sacred heath]

@neat sandal why did you ❌ react me I’m right

[cloud plover]

many dialogues allude to it

not even allude just flat out confirm it

[chrome cloud]

some hornet dialogue.

[lucid smelt]

why are u so sure lmao

did team cherry speak to you in a prophetic vision

[chrome cloud]

Could Silksong follow Delicate Flower ending

[neat sandal]

why. just because it mention once and you so sure about it
there is plenty of different place got mention

[timber pond]

I would say the evidence is more in Steel Seer Zis quest

[crude tinsel]

Okay thank you just wanted to triple check because all the endings of hollow knight are Canon and there's 2 ending where I wanted to see what happened to hornet after

[polar yacht]

silksong follows mister mushroom ending because mister mushroom is in silksong

[chrome cloud]

also what the hell is steel city

[sacred heath]

yes

[lucid smelt]

if we're going off grimm troupe and godhome dlc, i doubt the dlc for silksong will be a continuation of anything we've already seen, they'll probably just add new stuff

[foggy fractal]

I assume this ending happens if you bind gms during the trap instead of playing the needolin to get into act 3

[cloud plover]

the developers say no hollow knight ending is canon, but there are 2 that pretty much clearly are canon in silksong

[timber pond]

Silksong follows Godmaster probably if Little ghost knows how to become shadelord

[chrome cloud]

Sealed Siblings is definitely not canon

[timber pond]

Also they said that 5 years ago lol

[sacred heath]

It’s got the most stuff linked to it so far in base game, so it’s not a stretch to say we’re getting a follow up on it soon

[cloud plover]

yes

[lucid smelt]

they did say that a few years ago, based on ending to silksong i think dream no more is probably the canon ending

[cloud plover]

that’s what i was saying

[crude tinsel]

oh okay i wanted to see hwat happend i the ending where the hollow knight is still alive

[chrome cloud]

I hope the canon ending is Delicate Flower tbh

[lucid smelt]

it 100% is

[chrome cloud]

how are you so sure

[spark valve]

it's not

[lucid smelt]

touche

[chrome cloud]

lmaooo

[lucid smelt]

it makes sense imo

[polar yacht]

Bilewater 2!

[lucid smelt]

im cryin

[timber pond]

I simply think its cannon because the hollow knight is not a shade in the void, which would be the case if this is after dream no more

[chrome cloud]

I agree. But any of the other endings could theoretically work except sealed siblings

[lucid smelt]

i acc fw bilewater, the ost slaps

[cloud plover]

only etv and delicate flower make sense

[lucid smelt]

my least fav area is defo sands of karak that whole area can smd

[neat sandal]

just because he made from steel then it about city of steel?

[foggy fractal]

HELL NAW

[chrome cloud]

why couldnt dream no more work

or the hollow knight

[cloud plover]

dream no more could work depending on your interpretation of it

[lucid smelt]

dream no more is the only logical answer, its the only ending where the knight becomes the shadelord- and then we see the shadelord along with the freed siblings in silksong?

[cloud plover]

the knight is canonically part of the void in silksong

[chrome cloud]

do you mean embrace the void

[lucid smelt]

u right twin

[timber pond]

No she clarifies the stance of the masters and establishes that Jiji and Jhin are connected from the first game because Sula and Zi have similar roles and traveled together here to another kingdom about to die to do.... something for those same "Masters"

[lucid smelt]

im hi and its late mb

[chrome cloud]

huhh

[dark rune]

do you guys think hornet's age is in the centuries

[cloud plover]

this is not dream no more i thought

this was delicate flower

[chrome cloud]

Hornet is 34 years old

[lucid smelt]

i mean embrace da void

[dark rune]

why do you say that

[cloud plover]

oh my b

[chrome cloud]

if thats the case it cant be delicate flower can it?

[cloud plover]

why not

[lucid smelt]

i mean they call her old one, and she was around before the weavers left hallownest so i assume she's pretty damn old

[chrome cloud]

Because its true

[foggy fractal]

dnm is if you defeat radiance regularly
etv is pantheon 5
also both endings could work, its meant to be ambigious

[cloud plover]

we don’t really know if the shade lord is the knight or if the knight turns into the shade lord or if they’re the same thing or what in the delicate flower ending, so i think it’s still kinda up in the air

[lucid smelt]

yea i know i misspoke my bad

[chrome cloud]

because the knight disappears n shit

[dark rune]

i really feel like hornet could be like 300-700 years old

[cloud plover]

i agree

[lucid smelt]

she would've had to be around before the collapse of hallownest so yea

[chrome cloud]

normal spiders live like 2 years at most so I say she's 34

[neat sandal]

because there is mode called steel soul?

[lucid smelt]

defo older than the knight

[cloud plover]

life expectancy and time in hollow knight is so ambiguous

[arctic sparrow]

is this guy like the hk mask maker?

[foggy fractal]

yeah because it doesn't matter

[lucid smelt]

yea

[dark rune]

i dont think so
the pale king wouldve had hornet after all of the vessels for the agreement that herrah would become a dreamer to seal THK

[high gate]

that's john mask, the hk mask masker is jim mask

[cloud plover]

i wouldn’t say it doesn’t matter, i think it just creates more mystery by not specifying a timeline

[timber pond]

Im confused do you disagree with steel city being a thing that could be expanded upon or not😂

[timber pond]

Hit his face off with a power attack

[arctic sparrow]

oh ok, what happened to tim mask? Met him last week but he wont talk to me anymore

[chrome cloud]

he told me he was Martin Mask

[lucid smelt]

when the pale lady is speaking to hornet she talks about her 'plan' meaning hornet was alive before the knight and its siblings were created

[high gate]

every copy of silksong is personalized

[cloud plover]

this is true

[lucid smelt]

mooshka is the most lore important character in the whole game

[wary plover]

I don't think lace was saving hornet, if you look closely she destroyed the bridge so I think she wanted hornet to fall to her death

[arctic sparrow]

:(

[lucid smelt]

lace literally tells hornet she tried to save her

[timber pond]

Now talk to him

[dark rune]

i dont see that line in the white lady's dialogue

[fresh rivet]

silk song

[lucid smelt]

read it again slime

[neat sandal]

I disagree cause he above so sure about next expand is about city of steel
just happen because it only mention once
while steel of one of most common material
of course "steel" gonna got metion everywhere
this can't be envidence about TC tease the next expand

[dark rune]

here's the gendered child thing

It faced the Gendered Child? She's a fierce foe, strong in mind and body, striking reflection of her mother, though the two were permitted little time together.
I never begrudged the Wyrm's dalliance as bargain. In fact, I feel some affection for the creature birthed.
If your paths were ever to align, I imagine you might gain yourself a powerful ally.

[midnight vault]

Anyone notice the Fourth Chorus has a pinmaster needle in its head? That Seamstress knows how to throw hands