sk-lore

[empty sierra]

why fextralife and fandom wen u got your own

[craggy bison]

oh i hope we get an answer to that later ig

[modern bay]

Gotcha

[craggy smelt]

everyone loves the hollowiki

[maiden meteor]

Maybe it’s like a case with Radiance

Weavers just got tired of serving their god and decided to defect or something

[modest coyote]

the only good person in the hollowknight world is pale king

[craggy smelt]

its possible they just became unhappy under her rule and overthrew her

[undone fable]

fextralife kind of sucks and fandom is dubious, this is managed by the community so its goated

[maiden meteor]

or maybe it’s because GMS was trying to produce 100% Silk life and weavers didn’t like that

[craggy bison]

that would make cents

[craggy bison]

that also makes cents

[gloomy path]

if i had a cent for every... ahh

[modern bay]

I spent some time on the other one already, would it be valid to copy paste or is rewriting necessary 💀

[craggy bison]

mossbag gotta lock in

[undone fable]

does the weaver from hollow knight show up in silksong?

[modest coyote]

"the weaver"?

[craggy bison]

which weaver?

[gloomy path]

what weaver

[maiden meteor]

don’t think so

[naive crag]

bro theres 200000 weavers in hollow knight which one

[craggy smelt]

we don't see that specific weaver, no

[undone fable]

when you get weaver song, and see one scurrying away

[modest coyote]

how would we fukcing know??

[modern bay]

AHAHA

[gloomy path]

that was a feral offspring i guess lmfao

[craggy smelt]

we see very few living weavers, I think mainly just the Widow

[undone fable]

by learning the lore?

[craggy bison]

we did see a lot of weavers in silksong but we have no idea which is who

[undone fable]

if it is there

[modest coyote]

i mean it just looks like a regular spider we dont know their names

[maiden meteor]

Weaver in weaver nest likely remained to watch over their legacy/Hornet

[naive crag]

does this make any sense now

[craggy smelt]

we see some in visions of the past, but few in the living present

[gloomy path]

possibly retconed

[modest coyote]

yeah except "departed" sounds more voluntary than reality

[maiden meteor]

I do wonder if they actually headed back to Pharloom

[undone fable]

is first sinner even a normal weaver

[modest coyote]

seems more like a forcible "departed"

[modest coyote]

they did but they were captured, not willingly

[undone fable]

seems to be a different kind of weaver

[craggy smelt]

maybe they figured they couldn't run forever, or wanted to keep the Citadel from coming after Hornet when she wasn't ready

[maiden meteor]

ehh not sure

I think Hornet would notice if they were kidnapped

[modest coyote]

i mean

[craggy smelt]

she might be the first one, the one we see created in the cutscene has her matching mask

[gloomy path]

idk she looks like other weavers, it's herrah whos the unique one

[modest coyote]

hornet was kidnapped herself

[maiden meteor]

Yeah but she was kidnapped waaaaaay later

after knight defeated radiance

[modest coyote]

i mean we know time doesnt exactly make sense in hollowknight

its in status the flow of time is wierd

my point is anyways i doubt hornet knew they were being kidnapped

[gloomy path]

not the first first, to be evolved probably, just the one who started something that made gms mad enough

[maiden meteor]

Maybe the weavers we see in ability shrines are those who returned from Hallownest

[naive crag]

i mean the cutscene plays after beating her why wouldnt it be her

[modest coyote]

cause otherwise she wouldnt have been kidnapped

[maiden meteor]

cause they say they were waiting for Hornet

[modest coyote]

like if hornet knew that they were getting kidnapped presumably shed know not to be kidnapped

[modest coyote]

some kind of first sinner perhaps

[maiden meteor]

perhaps they returned and decided to entomb themselves so that in case Hornet comes to Pharloom she could gain those abilities

[gloomy path]

what is this, some kind of hollow knight : silksong ™ ?

[craggy smelt]

her being created by Silk doesn't necessarily mean first created, but yeah, I think that's what's implied

[maiden meteor]

it does say her sin was Apostasy

[modest coyote]

we know what her sin was, rebellion

[gloomy path]

no weaver freed her even though granny was asleep, weavers be like that

[modest coyote]

who is granny?

oh gms

[maiden meteor]

I think that events unfolded way too quickly

[naive crag]

wait the hollow knight wiki people are starting to work so i can see the shit i missed

[maiden meteor]

They sealed GMS, realized it couldn’t hold and fled Pharloom

[craggy smelt]

hell yea

[maiden meteor]

“Cursed with silk”

[naive crag]

did she maybe rebel after she found out

thats why ''cursed to know''

found out what idk

[maiden meteor]

maybe they found out GMS could mind control with silk?

[gloomy path]

cursed to knowing they were just experiments to have a daughter and she perfected it with lace, and was planning to discard all the weavers

[craggy smelt]

her line in the cutscene is "...She called us daughters... Called us divine... She lied..."

[craggy smelt]

yeah, I think it's this

they might have only been a means to gather silk and magic enough to create silkborn

[vocal kraken]

yo are they connected to the shaman in hallownest

also are they void

[maiden meteor]

Same species but unknown if they’re actually acquainted

[vocal kraken]

they look made of void

[maiden meteor]

and I don’t think they’re physically void, maybe they’re sort of infused with it though

[undone fable]

im guessing GMS was before the weavers? how could she talk before but not in the bossfight

[naive crag]

gms made the weavers

[modest coyote]

yes

[undone fable]

yes im guessing

[naive crag]

its not a guess theres a cutscene for it

[gloomy path]

confirmed by first sinner cutscene

[modest coyote]

shes also called grandmother silk

[gloomy path]

im not sure what happens in widow's cutscene

[undone fable]

yeah

[modest coyote]

cause she is literally hornet's grandmother or smth

[maiden meteor]

Oh nvm I think they are acquainted

[vocal kraken]

lol i just realized hornets dad is a higher being and hornets grandmother is also a higher being

[undone fable]

do we finally know who vengeful spirit shamans fourth uncle is

[vocal kraken]

and her brother is also a higher being

[maiden meteor]

They say “family” likely in relation to shamans in Hallownest

[gloomy path]

yeah, hornet is a chosen one nepo baby

[vocal kraken]

we got pale king gm silk and shade lord all higher beings and related to hornet

[maiden meteor]

I wonder what part Hornet gained from PK

[vocal kraken]

i wish i was a nepo baby

[modest coyote]

yes thats why she is so powerful

[blissful canyon]

guys how do pilgrims even get into the citadel considering the last judge is ALOT more powerful than them?

[vocal kraken]

literally just the vessel type looks

[maiden meteor]

she does say few times her shell is particularly stronger than average bug’s

[modest coyote]

and the knight is 2/3 pale being and also 1/3 void-

[naive crag]

the void being everywhere is confirmed with this right

[vocal kraken]

she doesnt really have shade but when she dies u can see her shade appear before dissapearing

[naive crag]

its the shadow creeper entry from the abyss

[modest coyote]

yes core of earth theory

[maiden meteor]

Probably also ability to sip soul from other bugs

[gloomy path]

so core of earth is just gigantic void mass, surrounded by lava

[maiden meteor]

it looks like other weavers produce silk naturally (like when Hornet gets silk heart)

[modest coyote]

i just realised

are there no pale beings in silk song?

[naive crag]

gms is a pale being

[modest coyote]

ik we have pale rosaries and pale lake etc

[modest coyote]

ok other thsan her

in hollowknight we have like 5 pale beings

[vocal kraken]

u mean silk

[modest coyote]

some kind of... silksoul?

[maiden meteor]

I think she sips soul from bugs and turns it into silk

[gloomy path]

i mean hallownest as a dead kingdom was a nice place to live in

[plush sequoia]

when mossbag lore vid

[vocal kraken]

she gets silk from enemies because they are controlled by gm silk's silk

[naive crag]

ehhh the closest thing i can think of is the palestag

[modest coyote]

is palestag a pale being tho?

[naive crag]

its said its pale touched

[maiden meteor]

Wasnt there some kind glowing creature in Verdania

[naive crag]

dk if it counts

[modest coyote]

ok but so is a lot of things

[gloomy path]

yeah that was the stag

[modest coyote]

usually when u kill a pale being things go to shit

[teal shell]

its probably been blessed by a pale being but not pale itself

[modest coyote]

maybe it doesnt work that way in memory

but every other time u kill a pale being some big thing happens in the surrounding context

[maiden meteor]

Verdania have kinda gone to shit

[naive crag]

eva is a failed higher being but again idk if pale

[modest coyote]

when u kill palestag literally nothing happens

[naive crag]

its a memory what would happen realistically

[modest coyote]

honestly WHAT IS eva

[topaz thicket]

glowy

[naive crag]

eva is the weavers attempt to make a higher being but it failed because shes too fragile

[gloomy path]

maybe when the palestag was killed verdania died with it

[maiden meteor]

I think she might be Weavers’ attempt at silk life

[teal shell]

it is a memory too so nothing really can happen after killing it, plus that areas all gone anyway

[maiden meteor]

Weavernest Atla seem to have been dedicated to countering GMS

[naive crag]

wonder if everbloom has something to do with pale beings

[pulsar nest]

Do we know what happened to the hollow knight || since embrace the void ending is the canon one ?||

[maiden meteor]

I think so

[empty sierra]

well it is white

[maiden meteor]

it’s the only thing with enough power to repel void

[vocal kraken]

the other endings are self explanatory

idk about the one where shade gets sealed in god realm tho

[gloomy path]

its kinda crazy this goddamn flower that made me throw my controller a bunch in the first game is suddenly a central plot element and it doesnt work the same way

[craggy bison]

he became uninfected and we don't know anything else

[maiden meteor]

I’m still not sure Embrace the Void is 100% canon

[empty sierra]

hk might be chilling in hallownest being unemployed since radiance is gone

[craggy bison]

yeah could be dream no more

[maiden meteor]

we do see glimpse of shade lord, but only like a glimpse, as if it’s not fully formed

[vocal kraken]

embrace the void is canon

the knight saves hornet on act 3

[teal shell]

we cannot say for sure if one is specifically canon

[craggy bison]

yeah it could be dream no more

[pulsar nest]

Yeah I was looking for answers to see if hornet fight him or not

[teal shell]

im an embrace the void truther but its left so open ended it really could be either

[maiden meteor]

we also see all of the other siblings who I assume would be assimilated into shade lord

[craggy bison]

very true

[gloomy path]

i wanna see what hollow knight gonna do after he got out of the temple, idk why team cherry decided to just not touch on that and skip a bit knowing it's a sequel

[craggy bison]

i also believe embrace the void is the canon ending but we can't say for sure rn

[craggy bison]

dlc maybe

[empty sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/313187523717496832/1413213063393579178/9rzhog-ezgif.com-apng-to-gif-converter.gif

[vocal kraken]

isnt this the hollow knight

[gloomy path]

yes

[craggy bison]

i also really wanna see what happened when hornet met uninfected hollow knight

[teal shell]

yes

[craggy bison]

yeah

[pulsar nest]

Yeah the one that you give the flower to it isn't canon the one when u just release the shade lord is the canon one

[vocal kraken]

i really want to know what happens after that interaction

[teal shell]

who else would be stepping out of the black egg lol

[pulsar nest]

Yep

[maiden meteor]

I think Embrace the Void was going to be canon ending back when Silksong was still Hornet DLC

[vocal kraken]

quirrel 🙂

[pulsar nest]

Same here lol

[teal shell]

he had a growth spurt i guess

[craggy bison]

why not? the flower could've very much sealed the shade lord somewhere like the abyss or something

we don't know what happened to shade lord in the flower ending. it's just gone

[maiden meteor]

It could be that Everbloom just reset Shade Lord to Knight

[teal shell]

it repels void stuff so the fact they all just poof together leaves it so open ended that until something new happens its hard to consider that as an ending

[empty sierra]

hk could just be protecting hallownest, could explain why hornets not rushing back maybe she entrusted hallownest while dealing with pharloom

[teal shell]

theres nothing to protect

[maiden meteor]

I mean, do you really need to protect Hallownest anymore

[empty sierra]

theres still bugs 😭 right

[pulsar nest]

Oh I thought it straight up just vanishe them, but according to hornet saying I won't let thr void take another word means that shade lord was released

[empty sierra]

idon remember etv did everyone die?

[maiden meteor]

Radiance is gone so there’s basically nothing to do anymore

[teal shell]

all the bugs are going to return into their more like dumb state because they dont have a wyrm and the few who dont would probably just leave

[craggy bison]

oh i didn't notice she said that

[pulsar nest]

Yeah he may have teleported somewhere else lol

[pulsar nest]

Yeah she does will interacting with an nps don't quite remember which one

[maiden meteor]

imo the tiny glimpse of shade lord could mean that knight havent fully become one

probably because everbloom stripped their power

[naive crag]

i think i miss my wife

[pulsar nest]

But how does hornet know then cus isn't that her perspective?

[naive crag]

im trying to find info about the everbloom and remembered elderbug

im so sad omg hes probably dead when silksong happens

[maiden meteor]

she probably feels its presence during interaction

[undone fable]

thats so sad

[maiden meteor]

Bretta is likely dead too 😔

[empty sierra]

it could be interpreted as just for viewers

the shade lord flashes

[pulsar nest]

Hmm I guess so, or the knight has thr power to change back from the shade lord from

[craggy bison]

lesson learned: if i'm a void tendril in the abyss and see hornet then i do not touch her

[pulsar nest]

Just as a hint at as lol, makes sense cus team Cherry said we want to make all endings cannon

[craggy bison]

pretty sure they scrapped that. sealed siblings and vessel endings literally can't happen

[pulsar nest]

Facts she has a brother defending her lol

[craggy bison]

not just a brother but the void itself

[pulsar nest]

Exactly was about to say that

[empty sierra]

well vessel CAN happen if you do basic ending in silksong

[calm chasm]

the existence of the sequel kinda make it happen

they have to choose a canon ending to make the lore work

[empty sierra]

only sealed siblings is impossible

[craggy bison]

that doesn't make sense tho because the knight's shade already exists in the abyss in the sister of the void ending

[empty sierra]

i mean unless someone unsealed them after

[pulsar nest]

Yeah her brother has control of the void it self, but clearly not all of it maybe he has to be in that place to give the voide form

[craggy bison]

so no the vessel ending still can't be the canon one

[empty sierra]

yea i mean if you DONT do sister of the void ending and just kill gms normally then vessel ending can work

basically dont do act 3

[maiden meteor]

But why it would become Void given Form and not like the basic version

[craggy bison]

no? even if you don't do the sister of the void ending, the knight's shade still exists in the abyss. why would it be in the abyss? it was already there before.

it doesn't matter which ending you do, it's a fact that the knight's shade from the radiance fight is in the abyss.

[empty sierra]

its not if its never shown or told

[craggy bison]

makes cents

[pulsar nest]

Oh maybe the shade lord flash comes from that lore tablet that hornet reads.

The tablet says void given form

Literally thr same text when you interact with the shade lord statue in god home when you beat all boss on radiant

[naive crag]

schrodingers knight

[empty sierra]

even sealed siblings COULD work if another vessel came and unsealed them or something

[craggy bison]

guys did mister mushroom confirm the third hollow knight game

[craggy bison]

dude even if they got unsealed why would the knight's shade from the radiance fight be in the abyss

[gloomy path]

they could add that to every team cherry game and keep us guessing

[pulsar nest]

Maybe when he is inside the voide that's what he looks like and coming out of the void then he has the shade form

[empty sierra]

again skip act 3 lmfao

[craggy bison]

jesus christ i'm not even gonna say anything

[empty sierra]

i know im a genius

[craggy bison]

THE SHADE IS STILL THERE

[pulsar nest]

Or a dlc

[craggy bison]

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU DO ACT 3 OR NOT

THE KNIGHT'S SHADE WAS ALREADY IN THE ABYSS

[empty sierra]

lmao

[maiden meteor]

I’m also not really Embrace the Void believer cause I don’t think Hornet would be so keen on remaining in Pharloom if Hallownest was ravaged by Void God, unless Shade Lord isn’t actually evil and what we see in godhome ending is just a little misunderstanding

[naive crag]

we dont have reasons to believe the shade lord is evil

[craggy bison]

that's where the flower comes in

[naive crag]

what if it just wants to returns to nothingness at the void

it literally saves hornet

[craggy bison]

that's true, also the knight is literally in control of shade lord why would the knight hurt hallownest

[pulsar nest]

Hornet said that the void took hollownest and she can't do anything about it cus she is week to void without rhe flower

[empty sierra]

what do you guys think the knight and the siblings do in the void all the time

[maiden meteor]

imo it was kinda ambiguous if Shade Lord is still the knight

[gloomy path]

what do you mean the void took hollownest

[naive crag]

what do pk white lady or radiance do all the time

[maiden meteor]

for all we know it could be unified will of entire void

[naive crag]

theyre just there for eternity

[craggy bison]

i mean it did save hornet

[gloomy path]

not really unified we see the tendrils attempt to attack hornet but was stopped

[empty sierra]

also do you guys think they rehearsed this for aura?

[craggy bison]

100%

[undone fable]

its just cinematography

[maiden meteor]

Yeah but again it could be just Knight and not Shade Lord, at least not fully formed one

[craggy bison]

gotta prepare to pull up to the abyss and save their sister with aura

[gloomy path]

they did that enough times that they perfected it when hornet inevitable ended in the void

[craggy bison]

Sister of the Void is such a tuff name tho

[empty sierra]

the whole ending is tuff

[craggy bison]

true

[empty sierra]

like actually such a hype cinematic

[craggy bison]

when the knight's shade appeared on screen i jumped from my chair and clapped

[maiden meteor]

“Alright guys, so I’m gonna pull up to her and float there for a little, and then yall open your eyes. It’s gonna be sick af”

[empty sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[naive crag]

are they confirmed australian

[empty sierra]

canon

[gloomy path]

it was heartwarming to see our boi come back and it remembered her sister

[craggy bison]

is mooshka russian

[empty sierra]

whos mooshka

[pulsar nest]

All the boys assembled to save their sis

[naive crag]

flea master

[craggy bison]

flea master

[empty sierra]

oh

[gloomy path]

mooska mitri

[empty sierra]

what makes you think hes russian

[craggy bison]

idk

[maiden meteor]

I like to imagine that other siblings kinda just follow Knight around at all times

[craggy bison]

primacon said he's russian

i have no other reasons

[empty sierra]

maybe the voice actor

or how they pronounce stuff maybe

[gloomy path]

aura farm with the gang

[maiden meteor]

Imagine if they ended up in Pharloom’s Abyss on accident

[empty sierra]

some people pointed out sherma sounded french when he sings

[naive crag]

is trobbio like seth

[empty sierra]

and i do kinda agree

[naive crag]

added for a real person only

[craggy bison]

guys i swear i've heard sherma's song before i just can't remember when

[maiden meteor]

“Hey guys, I found another cool dying kingdom just few blocks away, wanna explore?”

[covert hollow]

A bit of an off-topic by i stumbled on this https://youtu.be/j76qWVIW_FQ?si=x31vA64m1nsPde4E

It's hilarious lmao

[empty sierra]

silk pass

19.99 per month

[maiden meteor]

replace Tools with Stratagems

[naive crag]

pay real money for benches

[maiden meteor]

$2.99 per bench

or buy Bench Pass for just $49.99

[naive crag]

the old hornet voice is killing me

[empty sierra]

its already expensive asf with rosaries 😭

[naive crag]

hakanas agamas

now she says yunara

[maiden meteor]

there’s now also Shard Bundles for real money

[grave seal]

yes

[empty sierra]

its sad that we dont hear her iconic lines from HK like shaw and adino

[covert hollow]

New voice is accessible for 99.99$

[empty sierra]

just garama

[maiden meteor]

buy 500 shards + 100 shards first purchase bonus

[gloomy path]

git goo

[empty sierra]

the old trailer had those lines for her silk abilities

makes sense why they toned down her battle shouts it would be super annoying

[maiden meteor]

Also now every 5 rooms Hornet will stop to deliver a message from our sponsors

[covert hollow]

[naive crag]

lace would sell more

[covert hollow]

Lace pics are inclusive for premium silk pass

[maiden meteor]

pre-Act 3 quest plays out the same but Silk Snare is premium item

[naive crag]

are we already going into hollow knight psychosis

[gloomy path]

onlysilk boutta empty player's rosaries

[covert hollow]

Act 2 and act 3 will only be accessible after half a year for 29.99$

[maiden meteor]

Silksong Early Access

[covert hollow]

Skip groal runback for 20.00$

[gloomy path]

too cheap for the difficulty

[maiden meteor]

Having trouble? Buy Groal bench for just $79.99

[empty sierra]

where even is this guy i cant find him

also whats his lore 💀

[maiden meteor]

He bought Lace’s Patreon subscription

[naive crag]

enough

[maiden meteor]

Kratt is smarter ngl

[covert hollow]

Have a problem eith gauntlet? Buy invincibility for 10s just for 99.99$

[timber pond]

My issue is that the hollow knights shade isnt in the abyss, and i would think he would want to show up to save hornet if he were a shade like in the dream no more ending

[empty sierra]

i still cant get over how hard the godhome motif goes here

[maiden meteor]

Want a free Plasmium refill? Watch this 30s advertisement!

[naive crag]

i never realized

[empty sierra]

i love that ost

and i love how larkin likes reusing the melodies

[covert hollow]

Last dive is soo good

[maiden meteor]

I hope someone makes mod for Silksong that makes rosary economy even worse

[vivid kernel]

you people are mentally ill

[empty sierra]

ascending and descending the void both have such cool soundtracks

[maiden meteor]

make every door cost rosaries per entrance

[empty sierra]

and conveniently theyre also used in trailers

[blissful canyon]

isnt the citadel mentioned as a safe place away from all of the dangerous areas underneath it?

[maiden meteor]

Well, it used to be

[blissful canyon]

I gotta progress further to know right?

[empty sierra]

its believed to be by pilgrims that are climbing

[naive crag]

did you join the server just to look up capitalism in the search bar

[empty sierra]

didnt you go past all the silk infected bugs that tried to kill you 😭

[vivid kernel]

yes.

[blissful canyon]

the ones in bellhart?

[empty sierra]

the ones in citadel

[blissful canyon]

yeah what about them?

[naive crag]

more like all of them?

[empty sierra]

well they are infected

and they try to kill you

so its not really safe there lol

[blissful canyon]

oh so some of them are infected

and some are just hiding away

[empty sierra]

looks like most of them

but yea its just unsafe for the pilgrims so their hopes are kinda shattered

[naive crag]

bugs that attack you are most likely being controlled

[blissful canyon]

this wasnt clear to me but basically it was false advertising that the citadel is a safe place

[maiden meteor]

Pharloom is basically Hallownest all over again

[empty sierra]

yeaa they also show silk threads going inside them and then they wake up to attack you

[blissful canyon]

why dont bugs just stay in pharloom then?

[empty sierra]

yeaa pilgrims just believed it was safe

prob because it was actually the case in the past

[naive crag]

the citadel is in pharloom

[vivid kernel]

for some weird reason it's always particular people complaining about "capitalism". and they don't even know what it means. it means private property. these illiterate losers unironically think we live under capitalism. and they think "late stage capitalism" is a thing. no, you mentally ill freaks. government intervention is the OPPOSITE of capitalism. we have taxes (theft), fiat money inflation (theft), regulations (initiated violence), government-controlled money (fiat currency)... and you losers think we live in capitalism? wow.

[blissful canyon]

no like the places under the citadel

[naive crag]

some stay because they believe its still a sacred place

[empty sierra]

if you mean lower pharloom its the same deal there, also theres no way for them to know the citadels infected until they get there

[blissful canyon]

like theres areas like halfway home and stuff that are pretty safe

[naive crag]

the rest are either already dead or already infected

they arent safe

[rustic holly]

what is this doing in the lore channel

[naive crag]

the enemies around attack you because they also are controlled

[blissful canyon]

why do they want to get to the citadel in the first place?

[naive crag]

idk it joined the server and looked up capitalism and is replying to every message with that word

[maiden meteor]

religious reason or smth

[naive crag]

they are pilgrims

[empty sierra]

professional ragebaiter

[blissful canyon]

I get its a holy place and sacred and stuff but considering the judge can just oneshot pilgrims it's stupid

[naive crag]

pilgrims are people who travel to a shrine because theyre devout

[maiden meteor]

Judge is also controlled afaik

before you probably got actually judged

[empty sierra]

lmfao its so funny the judge just kills the pilgrims

[blissful canyon]

I feel bad about the 2 pilgrims infront of the citadel gates now 😔

[naive crag]

also the judges are supposed to do that

they cant let anyone in the citadel because it makes them immortal allegedly

it used to be like that but isnt anymore

tho the pilgrims still believe in it

[vivid kernel]

because it's relevant to the game's story maybe? you people keep yapping it's about muh hecking capitalism. no, it's about the exact opposite. altruism. ever talked to the NPCs or read bugs' leftovers? talking about how they need to work hard for some greater good, the citadel? that they need to work themselves to death, sacrificing their whole life for the few people at the top (government)?

[blissful canyon]

arent the pilgrims weak as hell?

how did they even get into the citadel with that guy infront of the gates

[empty sierra]

they probably did have their life extended with silk injections

[naive crag]

dude no one cares

[vivid kernel]

false

[golden herald]

They didn't after he was implemented afaik

[naive crag]

they arent suppsoed to BEAT the judge theyre supposed to be judged by her

free of sin

[blissful canyon]

wait so the judge kills anyone who isnt free of sin?

oh so its a trial of sorts

[maiden meteor]

maybe just expel them from citadel

[whole hawk]

Do we have the actual prerequisites for Act3 yet? Apparently someone said you dont even need to send the fleas to the ducts but is that even true?

[naive crag]

we dont know how it used to be before the infection

[maiden meteor]

at least normally

[empty sierra]

yea maybe just bonk them off blasted steps prob not kill

well before the whole haunting thing happened

[blissful canyon]

and after hornet kills the last judge, pilgrims can just slide right through those gates without a trial

[empty sierra]

yeaa

[naive crag]

but the citadel isnt sacred anymore so who cares

actually it happens in the game

sherma goes to first shrine

[empty sierra]

yea a bunch more npcs start showing up after you enter the citadel

so you did just open the way for everyone

[blissful canyon]

I did all the work for them 💔

they didn't have to kill a single boss btw

[maiden meteor]

btw do they get in citadel if you go through phantom?

[empty sierra]

you can skip last judge?

[tender ocean]

Yes if you go trough phantom

[naive crag]

yes you can

[empty sierra]

damn crazy

[naive crag]

they end up traumatized and scared

[empty sierra]

probably for the sake of games progression they would come

doubt they would remove a whole lot of quests and characters if you missed last judge

[blissful canyon]

MAN CHORAL CHAMBERS IS HUGE

I dont even know where im going just that Im going somewhere

[empty sierra]

keep going man

also dont visit this channel until youve finished everything

we dont spoiler tag stuff here

[blissful canyon]

I barely visit unless I need to ask some very specific lore questions

[empty sierra]

theres really cool stuff you might get spoiled

[naive crag]

GODD i wish i could find choral chambers for the first time again

the soundtrack hits different

[empty sierra]

soundtrack is way too peak

[empty sierra]

its been a week 😭

im still in that moment

[blissful canyon]

someone translate this

[rustic holly]

the tunnels are unsafe as hell

[empty sierra]

the travel pod you used caused injuries and deaths

so it was disabled and you just enabled it again

[maiden meteor]

OSHA violations

[blissful canyon]

wait is that it? theres nothing here except that bulletin board

[empty sierra]

also skill issue for the citadel bugs ngl

[naive crag]

i finished the game already it doesnt feel new anymore

[rustic holly]

yeah its just a lore explanation for why you need to manually reopen a public transit system

[empty sierra]

yea its a lore room

[empty sierra]

damn you got over it fast

[blissful canyon]

80 rosaries for this 💔

what a scam

[maiden meteor]

actually it’s a

[blissful canyon]

this is a bigger scam than the gambling guy in blasted steps and that throwing knife game near marrow

[rustic holly]

you will be able to open a way into here after the area's main quest but for now it's pointless

[empty sierra]

ik

[maiden meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-tool-mickey-mouse-mickey-clubhouse-gif-18764497

[naive crag]

well i have bad news for you

[empty sierra]

but he doesnt

[blissful canyon]

thats my cue to leave

[empty sierra]

lol

enjoy

[naive crag]

anyways

whats best soundtrack in the game

[viscid ridge]

I started a 2nd playthrough, and avoided getting little pilgrim killed. He is gone now so i assume he started his pilgrimage, any idea where he could be?

[maiden meteor]

tough one

[naive crag]

far fields pilgrims rest

[upper narwhal]

Kinda true since the delivery item kinda breaks upon using it

[maiden meteor]

game’s full of peak

[empty sierra]

im still fighting between lace and choral chambers

[maiden meteor]

I think Choral Chambers is up here because it feels like entering City of Tears all over again

[empty sierra]

yea it does feel the most divine

[naive crag]

high halls is my fav rn

its so nostalgic

[maiden meteor]

Cogwork Core is also cool af

[golden herald]

Uh who freed hornet from the cage? Lace?

[empty sierra]

also choral chambers has the most views and listens on all platforms so

[naive crag]

the cage opened by itself

[empty sierra]

i guess its the best according to everyone

[viscid ridge]

Im a big fan of the memorium. The idea of a museum in the Hollow Knight world is actually so cool to me

[naive crag]

after falling from a great height

[golden herald]

I mean who put the butterfly that broke the seal

Or was it just random

[naive crag]

nothing confirmed i think

[empty sierra]

actually we saw the butterfly again right

somewhere

[whole hawk]

Memorium is fun because it teases areas you might have not found yet

[naive crag]

lace was playing with butterflies in her deep docks fight

when she was waiting for us

[empty sierra]

wtf was the electricity one i still havent found that area

[naive crag]

in sands of karak

[empty sierra]

damnn

[empty sierra]

oh yeah sounds about right

she did want to kill us so she would stop us from being delivered to gms

we also see the same butterflies in the mist right

[naive crag]

does memorium even have a soundtrack i cant remember

[maiden meteor]

Memorium lore entries are so sad

[viscid ridge]

There is a secret area in sands of karak, thats a electricity worm cave

[empty sierra]

and they lead us to phantom

[maiden meteor]

cause they imply Pharloom is inevitably dying

[viscid ridge]

Maybe it does i cant quite remember

[naive crag]

yeah and phantom is laces sister

[maiden meteor]

further confirmed by Act 3 dream areas

[empty sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[maiden meteor]

I think butterflies are either silk life or some soul manifestations

cause you see them fly out of defeated robots

[naive crag]

they react to needolin

which is weavers song

[viscid ridge]

Is there any biological reason as to why it seems both Karmalita and Queen Vespa seemed to grow to a huge size before they died? Is that something bugs do that im not aware of?

[bronze hemlock]

Does every boss have Needolin dialogue?

[empty sierra]

lace is such an interesting character tho i want them to explore her more in dlc

[naive crag]

bees just work that way

[maiden meteor]

I wonder how Lace’s gonna live

[naive crag]

and karmelita didnt grow that much

[viscid ridge]

I always assumed vespa was always big and her ghost was just little, but Hornets flasback inplies she was always little

[maiden meteor]

cause she needs a lot of silk

[naive crag]

she actually grew over time

[maiden meteor]

maybe in ending GMS infused her with her silk powers

[naive crag]

and then the hive wasnt able to escape the infection because she couldnt get out of there

due to being too big

[whole hawk]

The assumption seems to be either she joins Hornet and she lives out her remaining lifespan.

[viscid ridge]

I mean she was absolutely towering over us and she wasn't even standing upright

[bronze hemlock]

I doubt Hornet will stay in Pharloom forever.

[naive crag]

she was also that big in the memory no?

[queen patrol]

queen bugs grow forever i g

[naive crag]

in the main menu you can see their needles next to each other

[whole hawk]

But I dont think that really squares with the theme of the game so the likelier scenario is Hornet becomes her silk provider and "surrogate mother???"

[viscid ridge]

No in her real form she seems to be very big, but in her memory she was a little taller than hornet

[bronze hemlock]

Please don’t say it like that Xb

[naive crag]

here

[viscid ridge]

Do u have a photo of that, i didn't beat lost lace yet

[gloomy path]

how do you want it to be said

[maiden meteor]

In ending we see GMS infused Hornet with some insane silk powers

[bronze hemlock]

Not at all probably.

[maiden meteor]

so maybe she’s done the same for Lace

[bronze hemlock]

Did she? All she did was provide silk for a super super jump I think.

[empty sierra]

LACENET CANON

[gloomy path]

i mean thats the implication unless she rescued lace to let her die

[bronze hemlock]

Hornet was spent on silk after the fight.

[naive crag]

lace is a child

[maiden meteor]

Well we see silk bar going batshit crazy

[empty sierra]

uuh

[naive crag]

she gave you silk for a longer silk soar

to get lace out of there

[bronze hemlock]

Yeah, that’s what I said.

[empty sierra]

adoptive mother hornet canon?

[naive crag]

i imagine them as sisters

and thats why the ending is called sister of the void

[maiden meteor]

And I assume GMS would do something about Lace inevitably dying from lack of silk

[empty sierra]

that works

[gloomy path]

gms giving her power to hornet to save her daughter and it had a effect on the hud, not unlike when binding gms yourself but your hud wasn't drastically altered

[terse warren]

???

[bronze hemlock]

Hornet is the literal Sister of the Void, which is the Knight at this point.

[whole hawk]

Hornet also isnt just a normal source of silk. She's half wyrm and even Eva outright confirms how she's changing overtime.

[empty sierra]

i thought that was bc hornets the knights sister

[terse warren]

She's actually several generations old

[naive crag]

i mean probably but i headcanon it as her being laces sister

[empty sierra]

that works

[naive crag]

shes explicitly described as having the body and mind of a child despite living for centuries

so its still weird to ship lacenet

[bronze hemlock]

Technically Lace is 1 generation above Hornet.

[maiden meteor]

I don’t think Hornet would be able to provide enough silk to sustain Lace, cause even with maxed out Silk Heart her natural output is still pretty low

[bronze hemlock]

She was directly made by Granny. Granny made weavers and Hornet is the offspring of one.

Yet Hornet still calls Lace child.

[bronze hemlock]

Eva gives her infinite silk regen.

Just needs to bring around a bench everywhere.

Lol.

[terse warren]

They never say body and they say she was created with a "childlike mind" but also I doubt children think about skewering people on the regular, atp she's just an immature prick more than anything I feel

[naive crag]

except they literally say body

[maiden meteor]

I think Lace might be a child in a sense she’s an entitled brat

[terse warren]

Source I might be wrong

[empty sierra]

do yall think benches instantly heal you or is it a timeskip every time you sit

[terse warren]

Hornet is also called "child" by other characters

[maiden meteor]

Benches are a Higher Being

[maiden meteor]

short people discrimination

[terse warren]

Then I'm wrong

Iunno inb4 TC retcons this too then

[empty sierra]

bc if its not a timeskip then flex taping the bench on your ass to bring it with you would be a canonically broken strat

[gloomy path]

we still dont have much on lace and wtf was she doing around pharloom, did she even interact with the caste at any point

[maiden meteor]

If you take bench from dedicated spot it loses its power

[bronze hemlock]

What’s funny is that even literal corpses of bugs are benches.

In Putrefied Ducts. It’s so funny.

[maiden meteor]

Probably just fucking around

She doesn’t even care about freeing GMS

[gloomy path]

i think i can only discern she has to come back to the silk flower field to get some life back, but that's it

[bronze hemlock]

Oh shit, spotify has the ost now. Peak.

New music brainrot unlocked.

[maiden meteor]

Lace also really wanted to prove a point for some reason

[terse warren]

She was literally made by gms and needed her silk to live wdym "what was she doing around Pharloom"

[naive crag]

i was unable to listen to anything but silksong soundtrack for the first week

[maiden meteor]

She saved Hornet basically to just dunk on her

[terse warren]

She's an entitled brat

[naive crag]

she loves to ragebait

[terse warren]

Lace would totally be a troll

[empty sierra]

did she "save" her? i thought she did that because she hated gms and just didnt want hornet delivered to her

[maiden meteor]

I call it, she’s gonna remind Hornet she saved her life forever

[rustic holly]

the kingdom's royal ragebaiter

[gloomy path]

i know, but she was going around places, for reasons unknown, hornet says she's fragile af but i dont know where she gets that

[terse warren]

Seems in character so yeah

[empty sierra]

hornet literally dragged her out of hell 💀

[maiden meteor]

In abyss she basically says “I saved yo life, so I win”

[empty sierra]

well obv she would say that

[terse warren]

GMS saw that her other daughters were betas so she made the Aura Farmer Phantom and the Ragebaiter Lace

[bronze hemlock]

Lace be lucky Hornet sees a part of herself in her, lol.

[naive crag]

the world is ending and she still laughs at hornet and tells her to join her in the void

[empty sierra]

but her motivation wasnt to save hornets life

more to shit on gms

[terse warren]

It's more so that Hornet wants to save Lace because that's the only way to get GMS to stop trying to live

And also because she reminds Hornet of her siblings

[empty sierra]

why didnt she just kill gms in void and leave

[maiden meteor]

Lace-Hornet dynamic is really funny

[terse warren]

Y'know with all the "This one... The dark shall not take"

[naive crag]

how do you kill a god

[maiden meteor]

neither wanted to save the other but it’s basically the only way to achieve their goals

[naive crag]

she isnt even capalbe of doing it in other endings binding is the best next thing

[empty sierra]

slap her with the pin enough times

[gloomy path]

if she binded her in the void, the cocoon collapses and then hornet the newly ascended god would be swallowed up

[bronze hemlock]

Isn’t rhat from Darkest Dungeon.

[terse warren]

GMS could literally survive in an ocean of Void while Hornet would get slaughtered. Also there was Lost Lace. Defeating Lost Lace and saving her was the easier solution

[empty sierra]

also they are in void im sure actually hitting her enough would just weaken her and shed die from void

[terse warren]

It's from Lost Leave journal entry

[naive crag]

she says she doesnt wanna sacrifice her own life

[bronze hemlock]

Both then, lol.

[maiden meteor]

it’s even funnier that Knight probably saw Lace and thought “Oh hey, you got a new friend ☺️”

[gloomy path]

i think she also saw herrah in gms in caring for the daughter so that had a part in it

[naive crag]

thats a reach

[gloomy path]

you saw how hard gms clung to life for lace

[naive crag]

she even says if she needs to slay lace to free the world then she would

[maiden meteor]

Hornet says from get go that saving Lace is the only way to get GMS to calm down

[terse warren]

Well the world is kinda more important than one person

[maiden meteor]

I think if Hornet killed Lace GMS would rage even harder

[gloomy path]

beat back the void rage tier

[terse warren]

I think GMS would just let herself die atp

She doesn't have the strength to fight Hornet

And the only thing she cared about died

[maiden meteor]

Or she would collapse the cocoon and take Hornet with her

[teal finch]

in a couple of hunters journal entries hornet discusses the value of life, even if its artificial so this could be another reason why she saves lace

[terse warren]

Yeah

[empty sierra]

this is so marika coded tho (also hard asf)

[winter iris]

Guys, why does Lost Lace fight Hornet?
Like, cool af final boss fight, but what was the point of it?

[naive crag]

also

[terse warren]

GMS really did make clothes out of her own hair uh

[maiden meteor]

because she’s controlled by void

[gloomy path]

void controlled her, just had to slap her a few times to get back to reality

[gloomy path]

bayonetta coded

[maiden meteor]

yknow what’s really creepy

[teal finch]

too bad this || didnt work on garmond ||

[maiden meteor]

GMS looks a lot like normal human

[terse warren]

Hornet says this after Lace says "The Void shall take both of us". Hornet is saying that while Lace may die Hornet is not getting herself killed. Without context this sounds way different

[terse warren]

Shit is GMS Bayonetta?

[gloomy path]

he was too old, sadly. wish everbloom changed the outcome

[terse warren]

No???

[empty sierra]

idon think thats true she just wanted to suffer and die with gms as a last "fuck you" to her iirc

[whole hawk]

Lace also sort of just stopped caring anymore and the void amplofied that feeling.

[maiden meteor]

Well I mean, humanoid

her upper body is basically just woman

[winter iris]

I guess that makes sense.
Lace was not free but void controlled, yet she still looked a lot like in control.

[naive crag]

i dont think so...

[winter iris]

Im not so sure she was fully controlled.
She looked like willingly fighting.

[bronze hemlock]

I think the worst possible ending is cursed.

[maiden meteor]

Meet the Potential Flower

[grand escarp]

guys where is the last object needed to complete ||silk and soul||??

[maiden meteor]

It’s basically just

[bronze hemlock]

Fragile Flower wishes it was as sturdy as Silksong flower.

[gloomy path]

weavenest atla if snare

true silksong flower didnt die in one punt

[teal finch]

should think about it in the context of || lost garmond || though. like || he || definitely was not in control based on the dialogue after that fight, so why is lost lace more aware

[blissful canyon]

I feel bad...

[bronze hemlock]

I'll forgive the guy that curses Hornet because he gives a broken ass tool.

[whole hawk]

I will say I love Silksong but it has a really glaring flaw. Three or four of the shops in this game didn't need to exist.

[winter iris]

If Lost Lace wins, she does the usual taunt.
This implies she is not really that out of control.

[whole hawk]

They could have just spread their items out as rewards across the world.

[terse warren]

DW act 3 fixes that

[maiden meteor]

Don’t worry, you will feel even worse soon enough ☺️

[naive crag]

whats it called i dont know the order

[empty sierra]

prob the trap itself

[maiden meteor]

Maybe void just took on some of her mannerisms

[winter iris]

I do not think the order matters, but you need them all.

[naive crag]

he did say 'last object needed'

[empty sierra]

yea i mean order its listed in

[naive crag]

idk whats the last

[empty sierra]

theres 3 souls and a trap

[maiden meteor]

btw why the hell they placed murder robots in cradle elevator

[teal finch]

though what about the dialogue before hornet dives where shes talking to the lace illusion and she goes "whoever is down there isnt what you think it is" or something like that

[whole hawk]

Ant, Thief, Gilly, and maybe even Architect shpuldn't have been shops honestly. Just NPCs that give you a secret quest. Then just scatter the thibgs they sell all over the world.

[bronze hemlock]

It feels like dick move if you got 3 hearts and get a 4th extra heart for no reason.

😭

[terse warren]

Weavest Atla you talk to Eva, talk to Maiden in Ruined Chapel, talk to Hermit under Bellhart (which you access from the bellway), defeat the Bilewater arena and enter a hut to get the last

[terse warren]

Gilly?

[maiden meteor]

I will not tolerate Twelfth Architect slander

[terse warren]

Who the hell is gilly

[teal finch]

well this happens to || ant || in act 3 if you dont grab its stuff before

[winter iris]

When I eliminated Lost Garmond, I did the "bow", same as when defeating Oro and Mato in HK.

[terse warren]

Act 2 actually

[teal finch]

damn didnt realize

[maiden meteor]

Like I get why bugs are hostile but these robots seem to have been designed to kill

[teal finch]

thief i think is fine as a store because it makes sense, also he will sell the magnetic dice if you dont get it from gambling

[maiden meteor]

Unless they’re somehow under Haunting too??

[terse warren]

He sells most of the items that you get from merchants which died or disappeared in act 3

[whole hawk]

Hey dont get me wrong I like the NPCs but making some of them not shops would help a lot with some of the issues in the game. That being rewards for exploration when you beat a bosd or gauntlet and the rosary economy.

[terse warren]

Who is Gilly

[maiden meteor]

I think Fourth Chorus implies robots can be controlled by Haunting too so it makes sense

[whole hawk]

Gilly is the camobug

[terse warren]

Who???

Just tell me where they are

[maiden meteor]

oh like

the guy in March

[whole hawk]

You first find her next to the Karmelita statue

[rustic holly]

hiding in a bush ||next to a statue in hunter's march||

[maiden meteor]

he sells stuff???

[terse warren]

The guy is a shop??

[rustic holly]

gilly as in ghillie suit

[whole hawk]

You need to find Gilly a few more times after that

[terse warren]

I'm 99% sure he doesn't sell anything

[terse warren]

What does he even sell

[gloomy path]

i do remember that guy near the statue, but nothing else, damn i memory holed that shit

[maiden meteor]

I saw him near statue and in zone after it in Act 3

[gloomy path]

tbf i only went to march in the statue area again cause it had the most memorable super jump place to me

[terse warren]

I cannot find any info about her being a shopkeep

[pulsar nest]

Does anyone know if you can get the real bug help you here if so what will happen?

[maiden meteor]

btw Skarrsinger and Clover Dancers are probably the saddest boss fights

[terse warren]

Why skarrsinger specifically

[maiden meteor]

well, after Garmond

[pulsar nest]

Yeah I felt really bad

[terse warren]

All 3 of the hearts are dead

[naive crag]

no?

[maiden meteor]

She wanted to see her tribes united and independent but ultimately it all fell to Haunting

[naive crag]

you talk to her and she dies after

[gray iris]

what is the lore reason some fleas are people but some are dogs it is literally a goofy pluto situation

[gloomy path]

oh i read it wrong

[terse warren]

Nyleth was literally the only thing keeping Shellwood at bay and we don't even know if Seth knows that she is and Seth forgets everything after that anyways

[maiden meteor]

and now she lies alone and old and willingly lets us into her dream

[terse warren]

Ok the point kinda still stands

[terse warren]

Pretty sure the issues started way before the haunting

[teal finch]

ya this is a fair argument to make, hopefully the relic adjustments in the newest patch help w this somewhat but ig we cant really tell atm

[terse warren]

Karmelita is waaaaaaay old

[maiden meteor]

I think it’s implied all 4 Act 3 bosses’ domains ultimately fell to GMS

they all tried to defy her and failed

[gloomy path]

was it still karmelita in that hut where you take the heart

[calm chasm]

how did we clean lace but we cant clean garmond
you cant do this to me

[maiden meteor]

Lace is probably way sturdier

[gloomy path]

too old and he was tired out from all the fighting

[maiden meteor]

and had a massive ego

[teal finch]

lace being silk might have soemthing to do w it too i guess

[maiden meteor]

Also there’s no Verdania segment in Memorium 😭

this place is gone forever

[viscid ridge]

Atleast team cherry didn't kill sherma, but i cried when zaza cuddled uo next to garmonds corpse 🥲

[winter iris]

My reaction to Garmond was: "So long, partner"

[gloomy path]

no funeral for my boy garmond

[viscid ridge]

There is, its in the same area with the elevator

[vocal kraken]

do u guys think we will see the grimm troupe in the future because grimm troupe thrives on dying kingdoms and in act 3 pharloom is cooked

[viscid ridge]

Has a lot of clovers

[winter iris]

I did play the needolin and bow after beating him.

Is that enough?

[maiden meteor]

ohh, Im stupid then

[gloomy path]

pilgrims would have thrown my boy down bone bottom 😢 but that is worthy

[maiden meteor]

At least Citadel tried to keep Verdania’s legacy after fucking them up

[viscid ridge]

Team cherry really thought it would be funny to make me literally destroy the world so i could get the true ending. Team cherry are monsters

[gloomy path]

we got ff6'd with elements of sotn reverse castle

[maiden meteor]

Ooops! All V o i d!

[winter iris]

Hornet = Kefka.

[green yoke]

I think even the troupe would consider ||void-wrath Pharloom|| to be a pass

[viscid ridge]

Do we have any lore on why verdania fell? To me atleast it just sounded like they inevitably lost their power due to the other clans in pharloom? I might be wrong tho

[gloomy path]

entire place up and dried out

like, why was the grass gray

[maiden meteor]

I think they tried to defy GMS which ultimately caused a lot of troubles

[green yoke]

||Pretty sure Pharloom cut them off from fresh water. (See: Sinner's Road, Bilewater)||

[naive crag]

its ok the fixer bug doesnt die so it doesnt matter

[maiden meteor]

then Green Prince’s bf went to Citadel to make the deal

[winter iris]

Where did GMS even come from?

[maiden meteor]

and they turned him into Cogwork Dancers or smth

[viscid ridge]

Bro my heart sank when i went back to Bone Bottom after the voidpocalypse. I thought i killed Flick 😭

[green yoke]

Where did the Radiance or the Pale King come from. Same thing

[naive crag]

hes where the fleas used to be

[maiden meteor]

Higher Beings most likely just are

[vocal kraken]

WHAT WHERE IS HE

[naive crag]

the fleas first location when they give you the first wish

[viscid ridge]

Higher beings, who knows where they came from

[vocal kraken]

WHERE IS FLICK

[silver mantle]

whats the relation between gms and the weavers?

[winter iris]

Deaded

[naive crag]

hes not dead

[maiden meteor]

Higher Beings and Void are probably just natural powers

[naive crag]

hes where youre given the 5 fleas wish

[viscid ridge]

Same place where the first flea caravan is, they made a refugee camp

[maiden meteor]

Imagine being in Bone Bottom

[gloomy path]

only difference is gms is a primal source of something, wyrms give sentience...?

[maiden meteor]

they were basically the closest to voidapocalypse

[winter iris]

The Journal entry states she is the source of Silk or smth.

[maiden meteor]

She also gave sentience to Weavers

as well as silk powers

[viscid ridge]

Yeah the primodial source of Silk

[maiden meteor]

it seems that all Higher Beings have power to ascend bugs

[silver mantle]

why does she turn evil and control pharloom and why does hornet usurp her then?

[naive crag]

is there any new text if you break the hornet stattuete i havent tried

[winter iris]

The Pale King came, and bugs of Halownest ascended, to higher sapience.

[silver mantle]

didnt she rule pharloom beforehand, why wasnt she being evilly controlling then?

[viscid ridge]

Im not sure, but i think its because she wanted them to obey more or something idk

[maiden meteor]

Unn created mosskin, Radiance moths, PK gave sentience to general population and Silk created weavers

[gloomy path]

i think gms way is different, in that she takes part of her entire power and shares it with the weaver, pk just gives it without any cost

[silver mantle]

bro got bored

needed more rosaries obv

[green yoke]

The Weavers put her to sleep and the bugs of the citadel just kind of did their own thing for a while. As she woke up she was understandably pissed as I recall

[silver mantle]

wow wheres it say the weavers put her to sleep?

[winter iris]

The radiance incident all over again.
You don't just abandon your god like that.

[maiden meteor]

Silk created Weavers and called them her daughters and divine, then she tried to create Silk Life which probably pissed weavers off so they sealed her

[viscid ridge]

Its either she was stealing silk, so that lace could not die, or she wanted to have a better control over pharloom. There is a lore tablet that explains why she does what she does, but i cant for the life of me remember where it is, or what it exactly said 😭

[fathom bone]

ancient bell beast?

[maiden meteor]

Her journal entry says she is “desperate to awaken”

[winter iris]

Elder Bell beast?!

[teal finch]

left one has a third pair of eyes but i can get by this

[fathom bone]

nah i feel like thats a ancient bell beast from hk

[gloomy path]

we got stags in hk

did stag ever get family i forgot

[maiden meteor]

Weavers sound like a nasty piece of work tbh

Sealed their god, were racist towards Hallownest and tried to groom Hornet into being heir to their power

[vocal kraken]

HES ALIVE LETS GOOOOOOO

[winter iris]

"Show us you are more Weaver than Wyrm"

[fathom bone]

where tell me NOW

[gloomy path]

survivor camp

[maiden meteor]

like COME ON

[naive crag]

fleas first location

[maiden meteor]

Being half ancient god? That’s sick af

[naive crag]

i used to think flick was joyous all the time but he just looks like that

[gloomy path]

got them anime eyes

[maiden meteor]

It seems Weavers really hated PK

[vocal kraken]

flick is my favorite silksong character besides zaza and sherma

[maiden meteor]

I mean if they didn’t Deepnest probably wouldn’t be so hostile towards Hallownest general population

[gloomy path]

ms mapmaker for me, even after all that she acts sentinel in bellhart

[teal finch]

herrahs deal w pale king is really recontextualized by this game, maybe part of why she struck the deal was so the weavers could retake pharloom (after having to flee) w hornets help

[naive crag]

herrah is also the only dreamer who wanted something in return

hornet too seems to hate pk

[gloomy path]

you'd hate pk too after getting your mother in a coma

[naive crag]

i already hate pk and he didnt do anything to my mama

[maiden meteor]

I mean Lurien was a fanboy and Monomon prolly wanted to save Hallownest’s history

Herrah had no real interest in preserving Hallownest

[gloomy path]

i don't, did whatever he could to save his attempt at bug utopia

[naive crag]

but the infection affected deepnest

[hazy carbon]

hey all so i've been out of the loop for a while and i was looking for a lore summary on the first game which is comprehensive any reccs? could be a series of videos or a single video it works.

[teal finch]

mossbag channel

[hazy carbon]

thx!

[maiden meteor]

I suppose Weavers just were going to flee

[lean temple]

Especially that she isn't even native

[maiden meteor]

but Herrah wanted a child and so she agreed to become Dreamer if PK would do his child making magic

[naive crag]

they did

[naive crag]

someone shouldve told him to give up

[hazy carbon]

from what i've gathered using the little knowledge i know herrah just wanted a child/heir and she didn't deem any cost too great for that because she knew her time was coming? idk

[maiden meteor]

It seems like Herrah didn’t really care about Pharloom business, cause she explicitly told Hornet to choose her own fate

[gloomy path]

nah my boy didn't half heart it, he went all the way till he can't no more

[naive crag]

he just loves killing children

[gloomy path]

all for the bag(the kingdom)

[naive crag]

he looks like a fork too total no

[lean temple]

Based on all the new context from Pharloom this may have been an attempt to have Hornet save Pharloom since she would have the power to do so, being half Pale Wyrm

[slate pier]

guys what is lore in 3 words go

[maiden meteor]

I mean, Hornet wouldn’t be born at first place without Herrah going into coma

[teal finch]

ah youre right i forgot about that #goat

[silver mantle]

void always worse

[lean temple]

Yeah that's the thing, but the Weavers in Pharloom waited long for Hornet

[slate pier]

real

[maiden meteor]

They did try to groom her into seizing GMS’ throne

[winter iris]

Controlling Void wrong.

[gloomy path]

yes, and hornet has a right to be angry about the whole thing, leading to whatever feeling hornet has for the king in her hunter's journal

[hazy carbon]

also is gms the creator of the weavers. because the first sinner really did imply that something extrinsic made the weavers

[lean temple]

Yes. She evolved them from Pharlids

[hazy carbon]

true

[maiden meteor]

which didn’t go the intended way because it seems like she was equally, if not more influenced by Herrah, Vespa and White Lady

[hazy carbon]

alright that explains it i'm still very new to lore based discussions 😭

[naive crag]

this channel makes me feel stupid at times

[winter iris]

How many Kingdoms are n HK world?

[hazy carbon]

felt

[winter iris]

Many I guess.

[gloomy path]

too many

[hazy carbon]

at least 2 ig

[naive crag]

we dont know but theres a lot

[maiden meteor]

I assume Weavers basically intended for Hornet to bind GMS’ power and then become rulers of Pharloom once again through puppet god

[lean temple]

Potentially very many

[naive crag]

in the cradle theres kingdoms mentioned other than hallownest and pharloom

[gloomy path]

needs more catastrophic events wiping out bug civilization tbh every kingdom

[teal finch]

a lot based on the || secret lore thing in the far fields weavenest ||

[naive crag]

you dont need to spoiler in this channel

[lean temple]

Yeah that too

[hazy carbon]

wait the area before first sinner also mentioned prisoners from other kingdoms/empires

[maiden meteor]

but then Hornet decides she doesn’t want to usurp divine throne and Act 3 happens

[naive crag]

yeah gms is trying to get all the weavers she can back

[winter iris]

This makes me think, surely there has to be a lot of higher beings emboding a concept.
And many bug species being creations by them.
Where did the Higher beings come from? Are they forces of Nature?

How old are they?

[hazy carbon]

after the snail shamans trick her

[lean temple]

Hornet does seem pretty invested in staying in Pharloom. It's true she mainly wants to figure out why she was captured at first but when things go terribly wrong she does refuse to leave until she fixes things.

[maiden meteor]

Well, technically they didn’t trick her

[hazy carbon]

i think they're manifestation of forces of natures

[naive crag]

they dont do it on purpose

lace just ruined the plan

[hazy carbon]

fair

[maiden meteor]

They say they would trap GMS and so the did

[hazy carbon]

yeah

[green yoke]

All the love I had for snails disappeared at the start of act 3

Reading those mfers lore tablets and I'm just like oh they're true void believers and that is frightening

[winter iris]

They did, they did not tell her all "terms and conditions" of their operation.
Nobody told her it was void based.

[hazy carbon]

still divided on the shamans

[naive crag]

wyrms are like dragon legends and theyre reborn constantly

made to rule

[maiden meteor]

I think there might be even higher force tbh, some manifestation of light itself from which pale beings are born

[lean temple]

It's impossible to know how old they are, especially when many seem immortal. They are godly beings and likely act like forces of nature in the world, shaping it to their wills or modifying it greatly

[hazy carbon]

lying through omissions and not falsities

[naive crag]

the everbloom is called the first light

[green yoke]

The fact that there are multiple tablets detailing the bugs they sacrifice to the void means I'm out

Bro the void is not listening

Little Ghost does not appreciate what ur doing

[naive crag]

the void is also implied to be the highest being since its mentioned no light will be eternal unlike the void

[hazy carbon]

and it would make sense then for a counterpart to exist. a precursor to void

[hazy carbon]

true

[maiden meteor]

I don’t think the Knight minds as long as they get cool spells

[lean temple]

The Void is also extremely abundant, whereas Everblooms are very rare

[maiden meteor]

Maybe Everbloom is just rare in normal world

[green yoke]

Ze'mer handing over the 70th Everbloom to me after I fuck up again

[maiden meteor]

You have to go very deep to reach void

[teal finch]

okay actually what was pale lady doing w that

[naive crag]

wdym normal word

[maiden meteor]

well like, average altitude

[naive crag]

this is wls hollow knight dialogue

[lean temple]

They are native to her home land, but we don't know where that is nor have we seen any other place that cam grow them

[hazy carbon]

counterpoint: lesbian in mourning can defy laws of reality

[naive crag]

its probably really hard to propagate everbloom

its the delicate flower after all

[green yoke]

What beautiful love

[maiden meteor]

Maybe White Lady could make her own Everblooms?

[lean temple]

"To hold it so close, one must be unaware of its nature" probably its nature as the flower that can fight the dark. TK being a Void being should stay away from it

[green yoke]

I wonder who the tragic queer couple will be in Hollow Knight: Lace

[naive crag]

it says its brought by a knight and ze'hmer used to be one of the pale court knights

[maiden meteor]

“Not of me that flower” implies there are flowers that are of her

[winter iris]

It makes sense there might be a polar opposite to the Void.
Interestingly, many Higher beings are "Pale"
"Pale" entities appear to be important to the world of HK.

[queen patrol]

i wouldn't be surprised if ze'mer's flowers are what happens when the everbloom doesn't grow in the absolute perfect conditions. they're like an unruly houseplant

[winter iris]

We need a delicate flower scientist.

[green yoke]

Me trying to keep my orchids from dying

[naive crag]

she is a root

she mentions she loves to propagate and root

[teal finch]

i like this idea a lot, theyre still pretty strong as godhome ending indicates, just extremely weak

[naive crag]

isnt too far fetched

[maiden meteor]

Ze’mer’s flower might have originated from another Higher Being which rules in her kingdom of origin

[naive crag]

what if the flowers are what came first

[lean temple]

We don't really know where they come from as of now. Godseeker wasn't able to detect a higher being from them

[naive crag]

they have to be called 'the first light' for a reason

[maiden meteor]

Hornet also says that Everbloom could not propagate in Pharloom for whatever reason

[queen patrol]

pharloom might be too polluted

[maiden meteor]

which is really weird cause it could propagate even in Hallownest

[lean temple]

Probably the environment is too hostile to them or something

[jagged beacon]

"Yeeshkarehhhh, Yeshkareeeehh, AiiiLaiiiAAiiiAiiii.."
"YeshkareEEeeee, Aiiilaaiilaiiilaiiii.."
"OOooshkarohh, OooshkarOohhhh! AiiiLahiiyaiiiiyaiiiiyaiiiiii.."
"OOooshkarohhhShkahhh! Aiiiiahiiiaiiaiiiii.."

[maiden meteor]

Yeah but it also might be related to the fact that local higher being is severely weakened

[lean temple]

Proximity to WL could've something to do with it

[winter iris]

The first light

[quaint surge]

why did ||mr mushroom fly to the sky in ending|| ?

[magic edge]

There's gonna be a third game for sure

[lean temple]

He travelled to yet another land

[winter iris]

To Pablo's kingdom

[calm mist]

I've been thinking about how possibly ||Sherma could've been judged worthy by the citadel? Judging by the line in the blasted steps where she seemingly hints at the fact that the judges don't attack her||

[lean temple]

Sherma was very much a Citadel loyalist

[maiden meteor]

Sherma is built different

[lean temple]

At least he fully believed the lies they were selling

[magic edge]

Sherma is #him

[maiden meteor]

the only character pure of heart

[calm mist]

Real

Sherma my goat

[winter iris]

The last judge makes sure only the "sinless" step into the citadel.

[blissful canyon]

is this long pathway to the slab for sinners of the citadel?

[maiden meteor]

Maybe they just built Slab in distance from Citadel

so it wouldn’t worsen the view yknow

[blissful canyon]

theres some bodies in the carriages too

[naive crag]

is this anything

[gray token]

Meanwhile the daisies outside : ah yes, concrete. My favorite soil.

[naive crag]

splinter of something greater

[jagged beacon]

my balls are freezing a bit at ||mount fay||

[winter iris]

Your balls gotta go fast.

[maiden meteor]

Maybe they don’t feel higher beings in it because it doesn’t belong to a specific higher being

manifestation of pure light from which pale beings are born

just like they can’t feel godliness in Void

Lord of Shades is essentially first Higher Being born from void

Maybe it’s a cycle of nature of sorts

Light births and Void consumes

[winter iris]

I'm comforted the Lord of shades might be benevolent.

[maiden meteor]

Knight probably could only become Higher Being due to being implanted with soul and will by PK

Yknow like to grow crystals you have to plant a pebble or smth

And then Godseekers’ focus grew around it ascending Knight to godhood

[tulip dawn]

Does SS true ending imply anything about which hollow knight ending is considered "canon"? Surely sealed siblings and thk can't be the ending that precedes silksong since we see the knight chilling in the void

[maiden meteor]

I think it’s either Dream No More or Embrace the Void Everbloom version

[loud night]

My interpretation is that, since it rapidly flashes between the Knight, the Knight & the Siblings, and the Shade Lord, that it's ambiguous which of those is the real thing that Hornet sees, to align with Team Cherry's statement that all the endings are equally canon.