sk-lore

[raven cove]

PV probably got in on the good shit too

[polar latch]

maybe the lifeblood in hallownest was more diluted due to the radiance kinda taking over? Lifeblood creature is a higher being and all, maybe it was suppressing it's power like the others?

[cold axle]

tbf we did know in hollow knight that it was dangerous and possibly infectious

we just didn't really know much, or uh. to the extent that we see here

[raven cove]

Nothing suggested it was dangerous in HK

[polar latch]

PK outlawed it

[raven cove]

It’s likely a retcon as zip said

[empty sierra]

yea up until you guys said act 3 shows side effects

[raven cove]

No he did not

[empty sierra]

even in act 2 it seems healthy

[polar latch]

Salubra says lifeblood was outlawed doesn't she?

[tawdry flare]

it's taboo

[raven cove]

It was a taboo

[safe barn]

Yea the only part that doesn’t make sense is that in SS a few seeds instantly take over an entire area of the map with only 2 full cacoons

[polar latch]

ohhhh

my bad then

[empty sierra]

yeah also says it has no side effects so obviously he had to test it on subjects

other than strong ones like tk and hornet

[cold axle]

i mean, we also know that zylotol had been seeding the tunnels and its life with lifeblood for ???? amount of time

[empty sierra]

whyd the side effects come out of nowhere in act 3

[polar latch]

i like that zylotol sounds like a medicine

[cold axle]

and act 2 -> act 3 is another ??? amount of time

(although an obviously short one)

[safe barn]

I mean ig but at the stage it’s at in SS it’s somehow both worse and better than HK

[polar latch]

also is it really a retcon if it doesn't actually contradict anything because we didn't really know much to begin with?

[safe barn]

It’s not a retcon just an inconsistency

[craggy smelt]

its kind've like a forgotten crossroads/infected crossroads thing
time enough has passed that it gets really bad

[cold axle]

no, people just keep wanting to screech about retcons

[raven cove]

In HK Lifeblood isn’t demonstrated to be malicious in any capacity and is far more established

[empty sierra]

everything we didnt know is a retcon

[polar latch]

wouldn't even call it an inconsistency, I'd say it's literally just an expansion on the idea

[raven cove]

It’s an inconsistency at the very least

[polar latch]

perhaps it's even something to do with the pale king that kept the lifeblood from infecting stuff?

[raven cove]

Lifeblood behaving like infection is unprecedented and contradictory

[polar latch]

oh actually wait I think I know

[cold axle]

yeah, it's like...obviously there is [the passage of time] and this is meant to portray effects of that passage of time. we see lifeblood in an early stage and then a late stage, much like we see the crossroads in an early stage and then a late stage of infection

[polar latch]

zylotol was fucking INJECTING that shit into people dude.

[safe barn]

It’s an expansion on an idea that we had assumed was already fully explored because the way it’s explored in SS leaves questions as to why it isn’t that way in HK

[cold axle]

just because there aren't any in-game intermediary stages doesn't mean that they don't happen off-screen

[empty sierra]

also theres a difference in how lifeblood is taken, in hk i think you just eat it while in ss you inject it

[polar latch]

in HK you just kinda absorb it and we don't really know how other bugs consume it (likely mouth?)

[empty sierra]

probably a lot more potent as an injection, and obv too much of anything is harmful

[cold axle]

i mean, when in HK is it mentioned that you eat it

in SS hornet can gain lifeblood in the exact same way the knight does

[safe barn]

In this it regenerates when you overdose as well

[cold axle]

by killing lifeblood creatures and absorbing it

[polar latch]

yeah it's the difference between drinking coffee and injecting caffeine into your bloodstream

[obsidian quail]

i love the Wyrms but there’s just something about that Silk and the Grand Mother to go with it

[empty sierra]

i mean that the side effects are shown when the scientist guy injects the worms

[cold axle]

ah

[empty sierra]

not how hornet takes it

[raven cove]

In HK we have a charm that quite literally replaces vital fluids with lifeblood, Joni was handing out her blessing to people, people were using it for god knows how long and it’s growing virtually everywhere and never at any point was there the implication it could do something like that

[obsidian quail]

that’s true

the lifeblood stuff was bad

[safe barn]

Lifeblood wasn’t bad enough in HK so they made it worse here

[polar latch]

hornet already has shown a great ability to resist infections (the radiance, grey root, etc)

[safe barn]

I really want a lifeblood dlc so bad

[cold axle]

i mean, joni's corpse room has lifeblood growths all over it

[empty sierra]

waht did the original lifeblood dlc even do for HK?

[polar latch]

oh shit what if Joni had something to do with it? like some kind of protection or purity?

[cold axle]

i would love a lifeblood dlc to expand on everything

[cold axle]

they are described as "the kindly heretic"

could have been someone who worked to make lifeblood more stable or safe

[safe barn]

In SS it’s literally just a zombie virus

[cold axle]

they could also not have been, who knows

[polar latch]

lifeblood zote....

[polar latch]

ohhh shit wait hear me out idea

[raven cove]

Yes but it clearly doesn’t appear to have caused her harm and her ghost shows none of the mental changes zylotol does, nor are such effects documented over the literal generations of its use

[cold axle]

zylotol is...himself, just fucked up

[polar latch]

the lifeblood creature right? what if THATS the reason

[safe barn]

His assistant

[polar latch]

it exists in hallownest but not pharloom

[safe barn]

Is that not shade lord?

[raven cove]

Joni was called a heretic because she blessed people with lifeblood, which is heretical because it seemingly goes against PK worship

[tawdry flare]

lifeblood could be more focused in that it waits to become malicious after a time but a: that's pure fan theory and speculation and b: hornet says she sees stuff like the lifeblood creatures back in hallownest so its probably just a retcon

[cold axle]

no, completely different entity

[polar latch]

lifeblood creature is actively a positive force, preventing lifeblood from overtaking bodies? and the absence of the creature in pharloom could be why it's so infectious?

[cold axle]

it could be any number of things tbh

[tawdry flare]

again, pure speculation

[cold axle]

it's not like we had any real information

[raven cove]

Yes, Hornet’s comments mean it’s a retcon or at the very least an inconsistency

[tawdry flare]

we simply Do Not Know TC give us Lifeblood DLC

[polar latch]

my immediate reaction to her saying that was her talking about the radiances infection

[tawdry flare]

could be that yeah

[cold axle]

what we have now is "a bunch of factors that existed in hallownest don't exist in pharloom" and "a bunch of factors that exist in pharloom didn't exist in hallownest"

saying "obviously things should be exactly the same, despite the drastically different conditions" is just silly

[polar latch]

genuinely one of the few consistencies is the shadow crawlers

[cold axle]

it's some kind of fucked up primordial verdant life force

[polar latch]

I'm gonna stick with my theory of the lifeblood creature being the reason lifeblood isn't a problem in hallownest, I like it

with its absence, lifeblood is left to evolve and adapt on its own in pharloom

[cold axle]

enough of that was implied in HK that it's silly to complain about the information in SS being slightly different and the effects being somewhat different

[safe barn]

Hornet herself says she sees the exact same thing in hallownest so I assume it’s just that they wanted to expand on an already existing topic

[raven cove]

Also a gripe of mine is that SS sort of develops everything into something similar to the infection which is… kind of uninteresting if you ask me. The Haunting is a Soul-based infection, Void is also able to infect things by proxy, and Lifeblood is also shown to cause similar mental and physical manifestations to the infection and is even directly likened to it

[empty sierra]

finally someone speaking facts

[raven cove]

Rather reductive

[cold axle]

it's definitely a possible factor! there are a million things different, so i'm just happy to go "waow, cool lifeblood lore! i hope we get more of it"

[polar latch]

oh I'm actually kinda sad we didn't see the hunter in silksong

hunter would have fucking loved pharloom dude

[raven cove]

It’s not slightly different Hornet says something that literally was not present in HK

[cold axle]

instead of "waow! cool lifeblood lore. i fucking hate that it technically maybe kind of contradicts some of the barely extant lifeblood lore from HK"

[safe barn]

anyone know where the huntress goes in act 3?

[cold axle]

yeah he's one of the characters i'd love to see return, justified or no

[raven cove]

Why does everything have to be the infection all over again

[polar latch]

realistically the organs we gave her weren't enough, but I choose to believe she's out killing and eating void husks

[empty sierra]

seems like a core theme for both hollow knight games

[polar latch]

especially with a proper boss fight...

[safe barn]

I don’t think anyone is complaining about it. It’s an inconsistency and that’s it I’m happy it’s being expanded

[tawdry flare]

If you did her quest? To enjoy her life with her children. Otherwise, she’d be an empty shell

[raven cove]

SS already gave us Soul infection and Void infection, can a single substance in this universe do something different for once

[empty sierra]

just feels consistent

[craggy smelt]

huh! me too
Zyolotl mentions his master found it on the edge of pharloom in salt-waters, could be more information on it if that region ever gets introduced

[raven cove]

In HK these substances were all meaningfully distinguished from one another

Void is the only one with any real precedent since it can replicate pre existing magics

[polar latch]

salt waters, hm... y'know what grows in salt water...? coral! and y'know an area from the trailers that only kinda made it in? the coral area! could be peak for a dlc...

[cold axle]

i really want to revitalize the coral tower, or verdania, or something

[raven cove]

There is no need for Lifeblood to cause the infection 3

[tawdry flare]

Introducing the poop hermit in the lifeblood DLC would be fye

[cold axle]

hopefully we get a water expansion that gives us some shit there

[safe barn]

I’d like to see how lifeblood and void interact since that seems to be a recurring theme

[polar latch]

unironically if it's ocean themed then poop hermit fits cuz he's probably actually wearing a shell, and he could easily fit in a swampy mud zone

[empty sierra]

yeaa i was half expecting the unreleased underwater swimming mechanic to come back in silksong

[tawdry flare]

They could take it in an interesting alternative direction, like making it a more focused threat since Rad was restrained and lashing out angrily and GMS was asleep or something

[empty sierra]

from the old engine hk trailers

could be the perfect thing for dlc

[polar latch]

they'll pull a monhun wilds and make that the focus of the dlc trust me (coping both ways)

[cold axle]

i just want 7 more years of silksong, man

[craggy smelt]

pray for Barnacle Bay

[cold axle]

give me another silksong amount of silksong

[polar latch]

we need pirates

[cold axle]

and i will gladly pay $80 or whatever the fuck

[polar latch]

this game needs pirates I need to fight a swashbuckling crayfish

[tawdry flare]

You just made me realize Hollow Knight pirates would be peak..,,.

[obsidian quail]

i want to see Steel City and I want to see a fucking Weaver Kingdom for the love of Silk

[cold axle]

shantae coded

[empty sierra]

lace dlc announcement that turns into a full game announced in 2027 and after a 6 year silence they release it in 2033 the cycle continues

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[polar latch]

I have a character idea who's just a crayfish pirate with a crew of shrimps and his name is Captain Mudbug

[tawdry flare]

You saw the Weaver Kingdom

[obsidian quail]

they’re definitely cooking DLC as we speak

[polar latch]

didn't leth confirm dlc?

[obsidian quail]

WE DIDNT

[polar latch]

also theyre putting Rathalos in the dlc trust

[tawdry flare]

I would say they’re doing patches but they’ve definitely already at least started planning it 😭

[obsidian quail]

all we got were Weavenests

which were cool as fuck

[raven cove]

I’m not sure if it would make a lot of sense for Lifeblood of all things to be the focused one of those, but even if they were to make it a threat instead of the benign substance it was previously established to be I would at least like for it to do something a little different than mind control body alteration and reviving the dead (the same thing the last three established threats all did)

[cold axle]

no, lagiacrus

[polar latch]

Honestly I just wanna see the entirety of the lifeblood creature

[polar latch]

Lala Barina actually

[safe barn]

Body alteration and keeping things alive is all lifeblood is known for 😔

[polar latch]

she's basically hornet already but if she was like. a succubus pole dancer and a flower?????

[tawdry flare]

Agreed

[polar latch]

and Blue....

[empty sierra]

i think they have general ideas for a dlc but its probably in pre-production right now, so would be cool if they took in some feedback and ideas from fans

[raven cove]

And now it’s also known to cause mental changes

[obsidian quail]

Lifeblood should have been similar to spice in Dune

[polar latch]

editor, give me desert power

[cold axle]

nah, that's the pale king

wyrm with foresight that looks like the sandworms

[obsidian quail]

not the prescience but the relationship between user and drug

[safe barn]

Hey I got a free gland out of it

[polar latch]

oh also the pilgrims bringing hornet through places in the intro cutscene like totally brought her through the land of storms right

[cold axle]

for sure

[tawdry flare]

I think they should patch some Hollow Knight dialogue to match the retcons but you know that’s just me…..

[empty sierra]

holy shit

[obsidian quail]

wait a minute

[safe barn]

Is that not just what the outside looks like

[polar latch]

we don't really know??????

[obsidian quail]

TC might have to cut Herbert family a check

[tawdry flare]

Naw

[obsidian quail]

because the Wyrms are Shai-Halud

[craggy smelt]

no reason to think this, lots of places are sandy and stormy
none of the areas looked like they had giant dead bug gods in the horizon

[tawdry flare]

We do. Have you been above the Cradle?

[safe barn]

I mean you can go to the edge and it’s pretty similar

[polar latch]

let me cope

[craggy smelt]

nope

[polar latch]

oh I didn't even realize that true

unless it's just dirt mouth again where it's still underground

[craggy smelt]

yes

[tawdry flare]

It’s called “the surface” so I have to assume it’s as high as they go, even if it’s still underground

[craggy smelt]

'surface' just means a cavern above the other caverns

[polar latch]

surface dlc could be peak actually

[craggy smelt]

no sky, no sun in this world
only underground bug kingdoms forever

[polar latch]

as long as you don't have to do the budget path of pain to get there

[empty sierra]

nah give me dlc thats deeper than abyss

[safe barn]

Fight humans for world supremacy

[tawdry flare]

That’s just void

[polar latch]

dream world is the surface theory

[empty sierra]

retcon it

[polar latch]

ah yes, Undertale

[craggy smelt]

I buy it
you can enter dream realms from the physical world (lifeblood chamber)
maybe as you go higher, it gets more dreamy, as you go lower, more Void-y

[obsidian quail]

Steel City dlc for sure

[polar latch]

i mean we see the sun. we also fight the sun but like y'know

[empty sierra]

wtf is steel city i heard that a lot here

[polar latch]

if the steel assassins aren't in the dlc I'm going to make zote real and then kill him

[safe barn]

Wonder if Karak got dried out because all the water was being sent to the ducts

[craggy smelt]

there's a lore tablet about the Citadel tracking Weavers to various places, one mentions the 'City of Steel'
speculation is that its related to the Steel Clan bugs

[empty sierra]

cool

[tawdry flare]

Presumably where Steel Soul Jinn & Jiji are from

[polar latch]

i really hope we're able to rejuvenate verdania and karak at some point

[safe barn]

Pretty sure we’ve seen the last of them

[empty sierra]

wait whos jinn

[craggy smelt]

or at least revisist them as memory zones

[obsidian quail]

also there are Steel bugs which are backer bosses so they have to appear

[tawdry flare]

She’s the Hollow Knight 1 Steel Soul NPC

[empty sierra]

oh wait i remember yea

[polar latch]

let me cope I want hollow knight Coral Highlands they're gonna put Paolumu in this game trust me

my biggest hope for the dlc is Blundering Oberlisk

[tawdry flare]

I think Barnacle Bay/Lifeblood and Steel Stuff are the most likely candidates for DLC

[polar latch]

I've seen barnacle bay mentioned a few times, where's the name come from?

[safe barn]

Genuinely am hopeful for a lifeblood DLC just changing the area and getting nothing extra is so weird

[craggy smelt]

presumably Confessor Jiji was Jinn's vassal
like how Sula was Steel Seer Zi's vassal
I think it's cute how the steel bugs seem to care about their vassals a lot - Jinn thinks of Jiji as a friend, and Zi wanted Sula to live a long time, even as a fugitive

[polar latch]

ALL THE OTHER SCRAPPED BASIC ENEMIES GOT INTO SILKSONG BUT NOT HIM :(

[tawdry flare]

The scrapped barnacle area from Silksong footage, just a fan name

[polar latch]

ohhhhhh okay yeah

[obsidian quail]

Steel City please

[barren beacon]

Hey yall, I just finished the firste ending. Can someone explain to me what I just witnessed? Was GMS's power absorbed by hornet and she digi-evolved? Did she become evil and destroy the whole citadel?

[craggy smelt]

yep, you got it

[barren beacon]

cool

[craggy smelt]

good luck with the other endings, be careful about this channel if you're going after them, there's no spoiler restrictions here and they get talked about all the time

[barren beacon]

Oh yeah I plan to never open this channel until I get all of them

Ty for the warning though, bye. have a good day

[spark valve]

gr

so many cuts

[polar latch]

only like four things got cut?

[spark valve]

those things were like the best things

[polar latch]

coral area, the steel guys + Sharpe, and Poop Town

i do agree I am deeply missing coral area

[spark valve]

the big ant domain

this shit

[edgy nebula]

i think we should talk about the hidden room with the baby judges

[polar latch]

oh yeah true that was kinda cut

[stoic heath]

||I wonder if the names “Lost Lace” and “Lost Garmond” are made to make us think of “Lost Kin”||

[spark valve]

doubt it

[craggy smelt]

that was some of the best stuff though

[polar latch]

unless.... what if the ant area and coral area are part of an overall memory themed dlc??

[spark valve]

doubt it

[stoic heath]

Hollow Knight SharpeSong when

[craggy smelt]

a 'memories of pharloom' DLC could be a way to introduce the 'hall of gods' equivalent
I do wish there was an easier way to refight bosses

[empty sierra]

ngl i kinda hate dream/memory/past stuff just make the areas and events REALLL

[spark valve]

city of steel update

[polar latch]

yeah!!

[craggy smelt]

when I got to Memorium, I first thought it was going to be the hall of bosses
I was like 'oh shit, they storing memories here? Gonna be memories of all the bosses'
but it was a different thing

[polar latch]

secret room in memorium with an NPC named "The Great Rememberer" and you can access his memories for a bunch of stuff including boss rush

[stoic heath]

TC I remember you’re cut content

[craggy smelt]

hmmm

I can't imagine us actually going to the City of Steel

if we did, I wonder how they'd represent it on the map

maybe its own distinct map

[runic musk]

probably a toggle

[craggy smelt]

yeah

imagine if it was something like the Citadel, a big area with a bunch of areas nested within it

yikes

[tawdry flare]

pull a shadow of the erdtree

[stoic heath]

I wonder what Eva is

Probably half-god

[craggy smelt]

i still need to play that
maybe that's what my life will be about now, with silksong behind me

other games

[tawdry flare]

no play the steamworld franchise

[craggy smelt]

hollow robots? i don't know...

[craggy smelt]

seems like a creation of the Weavers, maybe something they created in an attempt to replicate Silk

[stoic heath]

Pale King is alive theory rebirthed: It seems Wyrms can change crests or whatever he rehatched and changed his nature or something

[blissful harbor]

they tried to create god and fucked up so made her into an ai

[stoic heath]

Probably not but

[craggy smelt]

Crests are kind've an interesting element
Hornet describes them as 'signifier of a bug's essence and their invisible yoke born through a lifetime.'
essence isn't capitalized, but if that does refer to Essence, the light of a being's thoughts and mind, that would make sense
Crests being a representation of a being's life and self

kind've both Essence and Soul in one complete magical package

[stoic heath]

I found it interesting how mossberry lady said promises are “more powerful than sin” or something like that

[polar latch]

STEAMWORLD DIG IS SO PEAK STEAMWORLD DIG 2 IS EVEN PEAKER

[tawdry flare]

FACTS!!

[stoic heath]

Is Defender’s Crest a Crest I wonder

[polar latch]

anyways so the snail shamans are just dead after the red memory right. like they're just entirely gone right

[stoic heath]

Maybe the Knight can use crests cuz it’s part-Wyrm or somethin

[craggy smelt]

probably not - actually crests seem taken from the dead
charms are often created from dreams and wishes made real

[stoic heath]

This will spark a are Snail Shamans void debate again

[muted lantern]

Will hornet or lace have any lasting effects from being submerged in the void?

[polar latch]

snail shamans obviously have a connection to void now

[muted lantern]

Snail shamans are made out of sugar spice and everything nice

[polar latch]

maybe the one we see in HK was just stupid

[stoic heath]

Hornet had the Delicate Flower

[muted lantern]

Well all his friends are dead so he's probably a little out of the loop

[muted lantern]

But it did run out while she's still in the void

Only ghost saved her

[stoic heath]

So what ending does Silksong take place after?

DNM? ETV?

[cold axle]

and also it's been a ????? amount of time

[tawdry flare]

Both

[spark valve]

Either of the two

[cold axle]

"snails are fucking with void now" could just be like...a post-HK status quo

[spark valve]

Eh maybe

[cold axle]

because of the shade lord

[spark valve]

Wouldn’t make a ton of sense but whatever

[cold axle]

why not?

[muted lantern]

Try this new strain guys it's called "the void" one puff and you'll be dying horribly

[cold axle]

the snail shamans in hollow knight go "wow we never thought about fuckling with the void, but damn it sure is wacky and terrifying"

"we love wacky and terrifying magic bullshit"

[spark valve]

Snails aren’t in regular contact with each other, the one in ancestral mound doesn’t know anything’s up with his relatives

[muted lantern]

But do you guys think hornet or lace will get lasting effects from being in the void after the flower dissolved?

[cold axle]

that's a fair rebuttal

[stoic heath]

Maybe we saw the Shade Lord flash because the Knight has Void Heart which means it has potential to be the Shade Lord

[spark valve]

Sure that’s a candidate explanation

[muted lantern]

I think it's intentionally vague so it could be either or

[spark valve]

But it’s clearly meant to be ambiguous

[craggy smelt]

I think the whole 'snails never used Void' thing needs to be re-examined
there was always the question of why the couple snails in the original blew apart into dark energy that triggered TK's void to emerge
crossroads shaman may just not have recognized the power that TK tapped into in the Abyss since it was AC stuff
or not been tutored in Void magic

[cold axle]

that's also plausible!

[muted lantern]

What if snail shaman had dementia

[craggy smelt]

i almost thought that maybe crossroads shaman was young because he's small
but caretaker is also pretty small

[stoic heath]

Maybe the Snail Shamans who give you void powers only turn into void because they specifically fucked with the void

[spark valve]

They don’t turn into void

The same thing happens to them that happens to the ones in silksong that’s just offscreen

Their entire bodies get turned into fuel for magic

And they don’t give you void powers, they’re just a power source that causes the knight’s own void to merge with the spells

[stoic heath]

Ö

[cold axle]

that sure is what we thought was happening

[spark valve]

There’s no reason to think differently now and the silksong shamans suffering a similar fate during a powerful soul spell supports it

[craggy smelt]

the big Soul spell the shamans cast in SS acts like a portal to call the Void, so maybe the Soul that had been gathered in those couple shaman reacts with the Knight's Void
calling it forth to consume their Soul

[spark valve]

That’s just a thing that happens to their bodies when they overdraw on soul

There’s a reason the snail shells are empty when Hornet wakes up from the red memory

[empty sierra]

i suggested the idea that they are just different tribes of shamans that actually do practice void magic

[craggy smelt]

HK shaman don't leave behind their shells

[spark valve]

Completely not relevant to the discussion at hand

[empty sierra]

and that hallownest shamans just arent aware of it

[spark valve]

People are claiming the Hallownest shamans used it

[stoic heath]

Silksong DLC 1: “Hey Hornet, I’m Grand Father Song, I sent Steel Assassin Sharpe to kill you, I also created the divorce between The White Lady and The Pale King. Also, you are void.”

[empty sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[edgy nebula]

fuck yeah

i like the baby judges alot

[craggy smelt]

the pharloom shaman also claim that Hornet knows all about their deal and shouldn't be surprised when they pulled out a Void spell, she doesn't deny it

[empty sierra]

pharloom shamans and hallownest shamans could have completely different cultures and expectations since they never mentioned interacting or knowing about eachother

pharloom shamans could easily assume every shaman knows and practices void

at the same time hallownest shamans could also assume no other shaman knows about them and its foreign

[stoic heath]

There’s clearly a connection, them being in Pharloom establishes that Snail Shamans are widespread

[empty sierra]

them being in pharloom establishes that? how?

[craggy smelt]

or it could be common practice
the pharloom shaman call forth Void with a soul spell, the hallownest shaman that upgrade your spells might be doing the same - their own soul calling forth a surge of Void that reacts with and empowers the Knight's spells

[stoic heath]

I guess you’re right

[empty sierra]

the hallownest shamans say in dialogue multiple times after you upgrade their soul abilities into void that they have no idea what it transformed into

and that you put your own foreign part in the spell

[spark valve]

They say it’s unique so it hasn’t been done before

[craggy smelt]

that's crossroads shaman's assessment, sure

[spark valve]

Abyss shriek dialogue also remains

[empty sierra]

someone posted dialogues a couple hours ago here it is veery clear they have no clue

[spark valve]

Hallownest snails unequivocally don’t use void

[empty sierra]

but that doesnt mean pharloom shamans are the same

[stoic heath]

I need to go to sleep.

[empty sierra]

they can have a common ancestry

but have split their practices

[spark valve]

That’s one way to justify the retcon

[empty sierra]

and not made contact with each other in a long time

[craggy smelt]

like i said earlier, crossroads shaman may just not have recognized the power that TK tapped into in the Abyss since it was AC stuff
or not been tutored in Void magic like other snails
maybe it wasn't widespread amongst the hallownest snails, just something the dying snails cooked up at the end

[empty sierra]

there were other shamans too that found void foreign and beyond understanding

not just the crossroads one

[craggy smelt]

other snail shaman? there's only one living one in the first game

[spark valve]

“It’s not a place my mind ever thought to look” is at the very least an authoritative statement of all the snails he knows of

[empty sierra]

i havent paid attention to the snail part

i just know theres multiple shamans that give you diff soul abilities

arent they all snails?

[spark valve]

Yes

[empty sierra]

yea exactly

[craggy smelt]

yeah, but you only talk to the crossroads one

[empty sierra]

waht

[craggy smelt]

the other snails you find are dead, their corpses give you spells

[visual glacier]

phantom and lace are sisters right

[craggy smelt]

or that one spell you get from Soul Master, but he took it from a snail also

[empty sierra]

oh i dont remember that ill check better later

[spark valve]

They are

[visual glacier]

ok thanks

[bronze hemlock]

When was it stated in Hollow Knight who Hornet’s mentor was?

[craggy smelt]

in the original game? it wasn't

[bronze hemlock]

I see.

[craggy smelt]

there was a statement early on by TC that she was a 'child of three queens' and that included 'trained by Vespa', but they also stated they weren't sure it was canon anymore
it wasn't confirmed until Silksong

[bronze hemlock]

Ohhh, I see.

So Herra, White Lady, Vespa?

[craggy smelt]

yeah, i think it was 'born from herrah, trained by vespa, raised by white lady'

they all had a hand in her upbringing in some way

[blissful harbor]

i justify three queens in that hornet intentionally sought out vespa for training

[craggy smelt]

Vespa said she didn't want the Hive to have anything to do with Hallownest, but training Hornet might've been more of a favor to Herrah
she says Hornet needs to be ready for those coming after her, so sounds like she was aware of the whole Weaver thing

[tender grove]

Huh. This makes sense as to why Herras stipulation with the pale king in becoming a dreamer... Was to have a child.

[shell jewel]

sigh

Bapanada

[alpine elk]

lore

[modest ermine]

Where the dreams at? I mean we have like the past mind segments and obviously all the weaver segments/hornets but there's a distinct lack of dream catchers anywhere. Not even with known "dream" things like the "pale areas" or especially the lifeblood area.

[bronze hemlock]

I don't think the Moths had a presence in Pharloom.

[craggy smelt]

yeah i thought the same thing
I guess webs is how they're being presented when weaver magic is employed
the webs linking past and memory to present... or whatever

[tawdry flare]

Memory is the Dream Realm

It’s just the Weaver “interpretation” of it

[modest ermine]

The dream catchers weren't only related to radiance/moths. There was blue ones in the lifeblood area of godhome (not sure about the other lifeblood areas). There were red ones associated with Grimm troupe. There were yellow/gold ones associated with radiance. There were white ones associated with the pale king. Like yeah they mostly all tied into the dream nail but the dream catchers were real physical things. You could find the dream trees before ever obtaining the dream nail, remember? Additionally, there were no ghosts in Silksong 🤷‍♂️

[bronze hemlock]

There's always dlc potentially.

[tawdry flare]

Why would there be ghosts? Hornet isn’t the Wielder

[bronze hemlock]

What I wanna know is what happened to the cut content.

Like the snail stuff.

[craggy smelt]

it makese sense that Hornet wouldn't be able to see Essence, but the needolin can still reach old memories left behind in the world, so it might be able to tap into something similar to the dreamnail

[tawdry flare]

Steel Assassins and Barnacle Bay are likely going to be DLC

[craggy smelt]

plans change in development, I guess
hopefully it'll be introduced at some point

[bronze hemlock]

Godhome will probably be a memory thing too.

[modest ermine]

Life blood dlc incoming 100%

[tawdry flare]

Don’t “cope” me. They’re backer content! They have to be released at some point!

Agreed

[bronze hemlock]

I want a boss fight with the flea woman.

[tawdry flare]

Boss refights will definitely be done in Memory if they decide to do them yea

[modest ermine]

Will be as hard as tiso 100%

[bronze hemlock]

So she'll be crushed by the giant flea?

Sad.

[vague timber]

prequel fans are SOBBING RN

[bronze hemlock]

Ascended will do 4 and 6 masks of damage.

[tawdry flare]

Midquel Fans Missing Since 2019

[bronze hemlock]

Funny.

[tawdry flare]

when GMS hits you with that six mask combo

[bronze hemlock]

At least the attack is easy to avoid.

[tawdry flare]

The entire fight is easy!! I need more challenge….

[bronze hemlock]

They need to nerf tools IMO

They will be broken in Godhome.

[tawdry flare]

Not really

[vague timber]

okay the "true" ending of skong raises a very big question
||why didn't the knight recognize hornet to begin with?||

[modest ermine]

Ngl I was whelmed by both final bosses. ||Lace 3 was at least actually difficult, but I really wanted to fight a void GMS||

[tawdry flare]

If they end up doing boss rushes they could just make them limited use until the bench, where they’ll be repaired. Otherwise I don’t see an issue with just the refighting

[bronze hemlock]

Mainly the plasmium health mode.

[tawdry flare]

TK might’ve just not been in the area yet

[bronze hemlock]

It's really damn good.

[tawdry flare]

Is it really? I haven’t tried it yet, I’ve heard it’s like Hiveblood on crack

[bronze hemlock]

It is.

[craggy smelt]

permanent regen

[bronze hemlock]

You can run away from the boss thw whole fight and get all your health back.

[vague timber]

i loved ||lace 3|| but yeah
i feel like there should have been a phase 5 including ||gms, either as a hazard or a duo fight||

[vague timber]

huh

[tawdry flare]

The issue with fighting Void GMS that is if she’s overtaken by the void, Hornet instantly dies lmao

[bronze hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/604946158594424834/1414860608842629160/SPOILER_image.png?ex=68c50f9f&is=68c3be1f&hm=18b213db33142b6d015a761975172abc5b1f2f879840f848f995d090246e5913&

[vague timber]

is that a tool?

or

[bronze hemlock]

If you use Plasmium 7 times you get permanent buff.

[craggy smelt]

you have to gather a couple of lifeseeds from cocoons then overdose on the plasmium needle buff

[tawdry flare]

Until you sit at a bench*

[vague timber]

does it ever go away?

[bronze hemlock]

Bench.

[vague timber]

oh okay

[craggy smelt]

bench cures all

[bronze hemlock]

Or death.

[modest ermine]

There's something (this is not a joke 💀) weird with the silk and song in the game. Cus everything responds to the needolin songs kinda unwillingly and makes them speak their mind. And it's clearly the basis for a lot of their civilization. Either it's there was some "song" being before GMS, similar to Pale King, or the silk caused everyone to respond to songs.

[tawdry flare]

You can’t bind health right?

[craggy smelt]

doesn't do anything

[bronze hemlock]

Problem is your basic heal only heals one mask now.

[craggy smelt]

sadly, you need to sit to reach the Abyss, so you can't bring it to fight final boss

[vague timber]

that implies something....
very upsettingly disturbing about the nature of lifeblood

[bronze hemlock]

RIP.

[modest ermine]

I just really wanted to "put her down". Not really satisfied with her just being left behind or absorbed or whatever.

[bronze hemlock]

I assume you haven't seen act 3 Wormways.

[craggy smelt]

shoot, should've tried it on the skrill on the surface, see if they react

[vague timber]

no, i have
but the fact that it acts so... quickly on hornet

a weaver-wyrm hybrid

[bronze hemlock]

Well I guess it's her demi God nature or soemthing.

[craggy smelt]

she does say even she has her limits

[bronze hemlock]

That alchemist was absolutely loony, lol.

[vague timber]

i wish there was an optional toggle for the world post-true ending

because i'd like to see that pharloom

[modest ermine]

If you haven't revisted the worm ways since starting act 3, you really should.

I didn't read 💀

[bronze hemlock]

Can't believe we got someone encouraging Hornet to overdose.

[modern bay]

Wait nevermind this is probably the best chat to ask, does you guys know if you need to become an admin to edit the Silksong Fandom page?

[tawdry flare]

Does that count as benching? It doesn’t heal you

[bronze hemlock]

You can get the plasmium health mode DURING the fight anyway.

[vague timber]

i don't know about fandom, but why not use the .wiki?

[bronze hemlock]

Fandom sucks.

[tawdry flare]

Plasmium health mode with shaman crest would go crazy

[modern bay]

Is there one that's better than the other?

[kind imp]

always avoid fandom

[modern bay]

For what reason? I don't know anything about this, but I'm really interested in documenting the lore

[naive crag]

sorry for intruding in the conversation but is lace a child or not? ive seen people arguing about it regarding lacenet

[craggy smelt]

hmm, something to test then

[bronze hemlock]

I am not comfortable with shipping those 2.

[tawdry flare]

She is a child in body and mind iirc

[modern bay]

Hornet explicitly calls her child

[tawdry flare]

Hornet X Shakra is in, I’m tellin’ you

[naive crag]

the snail shaman says shes really old

[bronze hemlock]

Now Shakira on the other hand...

Hell yeah.

[modest ermine]

Hornet briefly mentions the lifeblood take over looking very similar to the radiance take over of hollow nest. Another thing mentioned as a one off is that plasmium originally came from the land above wormways (aka the coral area). So I expect DLC 1 will require completing the lifeblood quests in act 3 and will revolve around stopping the lifeblood from spreading by going back to the source (in the coral forest)

[modern bay]

I don't recall, all I know is that's how Hornet perceives her

[tawdry flare]

He’s also the one that says she’s a child in body and mind

[bronze hemlock]

I like how we got confirmation that Hornet had many mates in the past.

[craggy smelt]

I got the impression that Lace is a creation that's existed for a while, but is kind've perpetually young and childish

[tawdry flare]

And anyway Sister of the Void implies a big-sister bond with Lace which is much more fun I think

[modern bay]

Sorry, I wanted to ask why Fandom isn't a good site to use?

[naive crag]

for some reason her silk doesnt get grey and old unlike phantom

[modest ermine]

Lace isn't really anything technically cus she's just silk, BUT it's kinda directly implied/outright said that she was specifically made by GMS to be a child.

[vague timber]

we do????

[tawdry flare]

Google it, brief answer is that they’re super greedy and they suck

[bronze hemlock]

https://youtu.be/qcfuA_UAz3I?si=9GpL9b8i6Ck09S4V

[tawdry flare]

Yup. Raging Conchfly entry

[kind imp]

low standards. loaded with ads. poor policing of info

[steep fulcrum]

What’s an alternative to fandom tho?

[high bane]

Hornet is also called "Child" in both this game and Hollow Knight; that just seems to be a typical way of referring to the children of Higher Beings since they're very much defined by their parents.

[craggy smelt]

might happen eventually, phantom could be the earlier iteration
part of the reason why Silk is harvesting weavers

[bronze hemlock]

The journal entries are peak characterization.

[high bane]

wiki.gg

[bronze hemlock]

Wiki.gg

[tawdry flare]

.wiki, miraheze, etc.

[craggy smelt]

https://hollowknight.wiki/

[steep fulcrum]

Gotchaaaa

[spare pendant]

the act 2 twist is genuinely insane im still reeling

[naive crag]

lace was there when phantom was being made though

[modest ermine]

Silksong reveals hornet is like an ancient being so it's not that crazy

[tawdry flare]

Act 2 into 3?

[spare pendant]

yeah

with the ||caretaker, etc being snail shamans||

[craggy smelt]

was she? I thought the memory was just her contemplating Phantom's decay

[bronze hemlock]

Also that she loves fluffy things so she really loves the fleas.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah the shamans using void to take down another HB is cool

[bronze hemlock]

Fluffy and also not trying to kill her (except that one time).

[tawdry flare]

She calls big flea marvelous,,,

[modern bay]

That makes sense, to be honest I'm not super caught up on everything, which is why I wanted to document everything to get a clearer understanding

[naive crag]

its up for interpretation then im not sure

[modern bay]

Also, thank you

[high bane]

Hornet's journal entries make her seem a lot softer than she acts. She keeps noting how things might make good pets, talks about previous relationships, and is more complimentary of certain people in her notes than she ever is out loud.

[spare pendant]

to be honest there are a lot of characters who are 100% higher beings and shouldn't be gatekept from the higher being wiki page, but are.

like hornet

[bronze hemlock]

She's a tsundere clearly.

[tawdry flare]

No, it’s implied Phantom is older than Lace. I’m not sure really what’s happening in that scene tbh

[craggy smelt]

hornet's fur fetish

[bronze hemlock]

Phantom has grey silk unlike Lace right?

[tawdry flare]

She’s a demigod, not a higher being

[kind imp]

i got the same impression there. phantom was the first born

[bronze hemlock]

Indicating she's older?

[craggy smelt]

i figured phantom was like a proto-Lace, and was falling apart

[spare pendant]

||the weavers are stated to be higher beings at some point.|| also demigod isnt a thing in hk

[high bane]

Higher Beings seem to be in limited stock, for a new one to show up they need to take a domain that's either unclaimed or has just been forcefully vacated.

[tawdry flare]

They aren’t, and yes it is, just not by name

[high bane]

That's pretty much exactly it.

[bronze hemlock]

Wrym + Weaver is essentially demi God.

[high bane]

Silk stopped maintaining Phantom at some point.

[spare pendant]

when is the term or concept ever referenced

[modest ermine]

It's kinda unclear what the status of weavers really is. Specifically Hera.

[tawdry flare]

When the god had a child with a non-god??

[craggy smelt]

First Sinner claims Silk told the Weavers they were 'daughters and divine' and that Silk lied

[bronze hemlock]

Question, does the bird in Mount Fay have a name?

[tawdry flare]

She is powerful and can generate Soul, but isn’t a god herself

[craggy smelt]

Fayforn

[bronze hemlock]

Cool.

[modest ermine]

I thought phantoms journal entry was just implying it was a corpse or something being forced to work, rather than something like lace that is just silk. However, I can see it either way

[naive crag]

theyre sisters

[high bane]

Of a sort.

[bronze hemlock]

Lace and Phantom are both Silkborn.

[bronze hemlock]

From Granny Silk I think.

[spare pendant]

You're using the term demigod, but ironically, that's a greek term. A lot of greek gods were said to have one or more mortal parents. There's nothing in-game to suggest that the ancestry of higher beings can be diluted like that.

[naive crag]

lace directly calls phantom her sister

[bronze hemlock]

Demi God isn't exclusively a Greek term no?

[tawdry flare]

Except… there is… because Hornet isn’t a god…

[spare pendant]

Demigod is literally greek

Or well

[high bane]

demigod is literally just "half god"
Or "lesser god"

[bronze hemlock]

I know a bunch of media using that term without Greek connotations.

[tawdry flare]

It’s the term that best describes what Hornet it is in relation to concepts we can understand

[spare pendant]

The concept comes from Greece, the term doesn't, I guess

[naive crag]

demigod just means offspring of god and mortal the origin doesnt matter

[bronze hemlock]

Beings born from mortal and god are a common trope.

[spare pendant]

And they are often still considered gods

[modest ermine]

Hera could be a god tbh. It's not super clear cut.

[high bane]

The concept absolutely does not originate from Greece, it's ancient.
Gilgamesh, from the oldest written literature ever, was a demigod.

[bronze hemlock]

Not really?

[spare pendant]

Higher beings aren't the same as gods anyway, godhome indicates so

[narrow glacier]

tbf we've never seen here in a state of comfort. Always during a kingdom's downfall due to a gods influence and control.

[bronze hemlock]

The mortal part of them means they're not purely a god.

[tawdry flare]

Weavers are magical pharlids lifted up by GMS’ “beacon”. They aren’t gods

[bronze hemlock]

It really depends.

[spare pendant]

This is not a universal concept

[high bane]

Again, it's literally as old as written stories.

[viscid ridge]

So i assume from Hornets comments about Mr Mushroom, that he also seems to be a higher being of some sorts, but he only shows up when a new age is about to begin

Master Herald

[naive crag]

when she talks to the snail shaman she says helping all those pilgrims is a warm feeling iirc

[spare pendant]

There are probably as many ancient myths where half-mortals are called gods, as myths where they aren't

[spare pendant]

That was also theorized back from his hk dialogue iirc

[high bane]

I wouldn't consider him a "Higher Being", especially since Hornet also seems to call those "Pale Beings". Radiance, White Lady, Pale King, Grand Mother Silk, are all Higher Beings and fit that aesthetic. Though maybe that could be a strata of Higher Being, since the Nightmare Heart is definitely a Higher Being but doesn't fit that pattern.

[viscid ridge]

Yeah it was theorized but nou its confirmed

[modest ermine]

Except Hera is like a completely different form than any other weaver and also the weaver queen and was also able to found a faction of weavers away from GMS. Either way, I think being a "higher being" is less about whether you're born of 2 higher beings and more about whether you're born of 1 and inherit power. Like all the void children are technically spawn of 2 higher beings, yet none are "higher beings" themselves. But after taking a certain action, both Knight and Hornet can become a higher being.

[viscid ridge]

Also after going into act 3, Hornet tells the alchemist that Lifeblood works very similarly to the Infection

[tawdry flare]

The reason she’s different from any other Weaver is because she was retconned into being a Weaver

[modern bay]

The term originated from both Greek and Roman mythology, so not solely Greece but yeah

[bronze hemlock]

Can't believe Mr Mushroom forces you to go through Path of Pain 2.

Lol.

[high bane]

The term coming from greek and roman mythology is more a quirk of English taking a lot from latin than anything else.

[spare pendant]

Radiance was never called a pale being? It was originally just PK and WL, and now GMM, and I remember the Weavers and Hornet in general were also called Pale Beings, so I'm pretty sure it's a literal title and not a rank?

[viscid ridge]

Mayhe herrah is also just part weaver? Same as the other weavers across the world?

[modest ermine]

Where? I haven't done his quest yet.

[spare pendant]

herrah is explicitly weaver

she's just fucked up

[bronze hemlock]

Quest starts at Fleatopia.

[modern bay]

An extensive amount comes from latin terminology to explain concepts from historical findings yea

[bronze hemlock]

Path of Pain 2 is at The Cradle ruins.

[tawdry flare]

Also, Higher Beings are exclusively incredibly powerful figures that can (in most cases) create life, like Unn and the Radiance. Pale Beings are a specific kind of Higher Being

[spare pendant]

hornet is described as daughter of weaver (herrah) and wyrm (pale king)

[viscid ridge]

Its when you go to the surface, but they are over exaggerating, its not that difficult 😅

[modest ermine]

Ik where to start it. I am just excited by the prospect of PoP 2. This is fantastic news

[bronze hemlock]

Actually, what the fuck is up with the Nameless Villiage?

Any theories?

[high bane]

Hornet says to the Green Prince at the Ruins of Verdania that the kingdom was doomed for being near a "Pale Being" which implies that title has some inherent meaning.

[modest ermine]

The what huh?

Bruh I got a finish my 100%

[high bane]

The village on the surface.

[tawdry flare]

Pale Beings seem to want to pull bugs into their thrall

[vague timber]

do i have to do the herald's quest?

[tawdry flare]

Or something like that

[viscid ridge]

I dont think being able to create life is what makes you a higher being, its just every god has their own little quirk that makes them powerful. We know the nightmare heart didn't create people and its still very powerful

[bronze hemlock]

It's in the way.

[cursive sinew]

Thats Wyrms. Pharloom already existed prior to the Pale Monarch iirc

[high bane]

Nope, just climb as high as you can and eventually you'll get there. But pick up the Herald quest just so you don't have to do it twice.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah that was just an example bc the qualifies are odd

[spare pendant]

Herald was implied and is now confirmed to be high, but lacks any such feats. Also what do you mean by creating life?

[bronze hemlock]

Also don't forget to do Needolin in the villiage.

There's a secret there.

[cursive sinew]

No clue where the Monarch came from though or if Pharloom was formed from a wyrm

[modest ermine]

Pale beings is definitely extremely weird. We did learn that the Weavers were "fated" to face the void. So maybe "pale beings" means a higher being or offspring fated to face the void or in opposition to it.

[tawdry flare]

Unn and the Radiance created their own peoples

[tawdry flare]

Idk some dialogue from Hornet implied it’s in Pale Beings nature to rule or something

[viscid ridge]

We dont really know where any of the higher being came from, my theory is that they always existed

[bronze hemlock]

I hope Hornet interacts with the Knight in the dlc.

[spare pendant]

Yeah Hornet has an inclination to rule, that's what the spider queen ending is about

[vague timber]

where do i start? the cradle?

[cursive sinew]

Less of what I meant. Moreso that why did she just appear one day

[modest ermine]

Aren't they supposed to be like a "true light" or something? It attracts all bugs. That's why Radiance was so bad, cus it was a "false light".

[high bane]

Ues

[viscid ridge]

Yeah its her Wyrm side that makes her want to rule

[vague timber]

thank you

[bronze hemlock]

You have to do a bunch of Silk Soar to reach Cradle ruins.

[cursive sinew]

In act 3 Super jump above the place where Silk dies

[viscid ridge]

Idk honestly

[tawdry flare]

They’re just different lights, the Radiance wasn’t really an issue until she started to be forgotten

[naive crag]

isnt nyleth kinda like unn in a sense

[vague timber]

the frustrating thing is that i did that but didn't hit anything... guess i did it in the wrong place...!

[spare pendant]

Actually...White Lady seemingly didn't have an inclination to rule when she locked herself away out of guilt.

[cursive sinew]

Also yes but maybe thats because its a common thing that they do. We only ever saw 3

[modern bay]

Why is forgetting the Radiance an issue?

[viscid ridge]

She feels more like Izma

[spare pendant]

It pissed her off basically

[tawdry flare]

She got very spiteful and began forcefully invading dreams (see: the infection)

[soft tiger]

act 2 ending spoiler what is the lore about ||grand mother of silk?||

[tawdry flare]

She’s more of a guardian, and seems to be the same species as Isma

[viscid ridge]

In old concepts, a god being forgotten was basically equivalent to dying, but we dont know if that still aplies

[naive crag]

she started the life in shellwood tho and is connected to every living being in there

[vague timber]

bardoon said it in hk, methinks

[modern bay]

So basically Radiance was entitled and that's why she spread the infection?

[modern bay]

By old concepts, do you mean specifically Hollow Knight?

[spare pendant]

They are referring to story tropes

[tawdry flare]

She created the Weavers, made Lace and Phantom because the Weavers turned on her bc she’s a bad mother, then started killing all the Weavers

[modern bay]

Gotcha

[modest ermine]

It's hard to say, but I feel like only the pale beings can be "singular" on the throne of a kingdom. Like Radiance prolly existed along with Unn, and lifeblood, etc. But once the Pale King comes the others are suppressed. Same story with GMS.

[bronze hemlock]

What was the sin of Apostasy that the 1st Sinner did?

[spare pendant]

She was the first who fought back against GMM i think

[modern bay]

Who is GMS and GMM?

Wait

[spare pendant]

GMS is correct (grandma silk) I'm just dyslexic

[modern bay]

Grandmother Silk

[bronze hemlock]

Grandmother Silk and Grandmother Milk

[tawdry flare]

Grand Mother Silk and George RR Martin

[bronze hemlock]

[craggy smelt]

grandmamama

[kind imp]

beat me to it dang

[cursive sinew]

grandmama silk

[spare pendant]

Good mythical morning is my favorite higher being

[lucid dirge]

so uhhh whats the deal with the knight in the ending cutscene and does that mean the godhome endings arent canon

[spare pendant]

I hope we get literally any expansion on lifeblood they can't leave us on a cliffhanger like wormways

[modest ermine]

Also it seems pale beings might be rooted in their place, or take considerable effort to move. Pale King had the massive wyrm, so great effort. White Lady is literally rooted, and her power can only appear elsewhere within Hornets mind. GMS seems unable to string silk elsewhere, perhaps stuck in her cocoon.

[tawdry flare]

It’s meant to imply that both Dream No More and Embrace the Void are canon to Silksong

[lucid dirge]

we def are getting an expansion on that + outside of pharloom probably

[modern bay]

Also, is the memorium some sort of high class reserve?

[naive crag]

didnt white lady move many times

[tawdry flare]

It’s my open air zoo do you like it

[spare pendant]

PK was capable of moving when he cast off his shell, white lady sealed herself on purpose

[kind imp]

GMS' limitation might just be distance. strings can only reach so far

[modern bay]

It's awesome

[high bane]

From Hornet's comments, it seems their goal was to preserve all of Pharloom's environments.

What for, we don't know.

[bronze hemlock]

I wonder why the Snail Shamans died.

[lucid dirge]

doesnt embrace the void end with the knight becoming the shade lord? i feel like if it was canon it wouldnt be the normal knight appearing

[modest ermine]

I don't mean like walking around your living room, I mean moving kingdom to kingdom

[tawdry flare]

The spell was so strong they got obliterated

[high bane]

Soul is life energy, and they used all of their up to get the Everbloom.

[modern bay]

That's what I figured, they seemed like they were preparing for something judging by the readings, though

[lucid dirge]

they deserved it #PACKWATCH

[tawdry flare]

The Shade Lord appears for a few frames in SotV

Oh goodness gracious Sister of the Void has the same abbreviation as Survivors of the Void

[spare pendant]

Oh well pale king bound himself to hallownest by making the common bugs dependent on him. That wasn't his nature, just his choice

[lucid dirge]

wait really

[vague timber]

it seems like they went back on "all endings are canon"?

[tawdry flare]

Yup, blink and you’ll miss it

[tawdry flare]

They’re all canon but only two lead into Silksong

[lucid dirge]

kinda glad they did to be honest

[spare pendant]

I can't wait for the seekers of the storm dlc where hornet finds a giant pale king statue

[modern bay]

I'm very much hoping so.

[craggy smelt]

everything is canon to itself

[bronze hemlock]

SiOTV
SuOTV

[lucid dirge]

i hope futute dlc makes nameless town more relevant honestly 🥀i feel like theres way too many hints about leaving pharloom everytime you go to the edge of the map and im pretty sure you can only leave through the left which seems intentional to me

[craggy smelt]

I do not want to have to climb back up there.
even with the shortcut

[spare pendant]

I wonder why the weavers are so fucked up tbh, all of them look different and very weird

[lucid dirge]

wait...seekers of the storm...hk had a storm god.... risk of rain collab confirmed?

[spare pendant]

like first sinner and widow are vaguely similar but none of the others look the same

[tawdry flare]

How do you think we’re going to get to the City of Steel in Act 4

[lucid dirge]

to the what now

bro i didnt do steel soul what am i missing 😭

[spare pendant]

city of steel is named in terminus iirc

it's not a real place yet

[tawdry flare]

The Cradle technically byeah

[spare pendant]

but it might become one

[bronze hemlock]

Hollow Knight Steelsong soon.

[modern bay]

They've often had different appearances in the past as well, the consistency is usually with the masks/eyes afaik

[craggy smelt]

Relic Seeker Lemm vs Relic Seeker Scrounge, go
(I choose Scrounge)

[bronze hemlock]

Scrounge is creepy.

Lemm is chill.

[tawdry flare]

Some more Steel Clan lore, including that they can ||canonically summon void apparently and really aren’t supposed to||

[spare pendant]

Herrah (possible retcon), Weaverden Weaver, First Sinner and Widow, Grandma Silk, and Hornet all look very different.

[tawdry flare]

Hornet is half-weaver so it makes sense she looks different

[bronze hemlock]

I wonder how the fuck they made a Weavenest in the ABYSS?

[tawdry flare]

And Grandma Silk isn’t a Weaver

[kind imp]

makes more sense that weavenest came first and got consumed by the abyss

[craggy smelt]

if all the Weavers are female, then possibly any after the first created would look different
Herrah might look different if she's a later generation Weaver

[tawdry flare]

Potentially researching void as a method to destroy/seal GMS

[craggy smelt]

they might have just dug down that far - Hallownest also reached the Abyss, the palace was built like right on top of it

[modern bay]

Didn't Grandma Silk and the First Sinner have very similar attacks

[tawdry flare]

Grand Mother Silk MADE the Weavers; she isn’t one herself

[modern bay]

Gotcha

[spare pendant]

That's true

[lucid dirge]

yeah but dont the pale beings have some sort of resistance to it? makes sense for them to not really give a fuck about it

[craggy smelt]

like how Radiance created the moth tribe but isn't a member of the tribe

[modern bay]

That makes sense to me then

[bright igloo]

(I’m in early act 3) ok so this is huge for the lore. Is there two lakes of void or is it one massive ocean that runs under the entire world?

[craggy smelt]

I don't know about a resistence - they said that the everbloom is the only defense they have against it
Pale King's secret lore tablet about a 'light shining against the dark' does make me wonder if he set up the palace where he did to keep an eye on the void

[modest ermine]

Yeah which seems to be possible for all pale beings. Like hornet can bind herself to the silk in pharloom. And technically Knight can bind himself to the void and get stuck there, though debatable whether he's a pale being or the void counts at all. So I think being a "Pale Being" or well really a "Higher Pale Being" means 3 things.

1. You are able to take control of a kingdom, suppressing the other powers of the kingdom, by stealing or claiming some kind of power. (Pale King might have taken the power of dreamers or something similar, Hornet can take the power of silk from GMS, GMS may have taken the power of song, in all cases where there is a pale being, the other higher beings are subdued).

2. Becoming a higher pale being attracts other bugs and expands/emboldens the kingdom. Other than lesser pale being (weavers don't join PK), all other bugs give up their current higher being for a pale being, assimilating into that kingdom.

3. A pale kingdom/pale species/higher pale being is fated to encounter the void.

[naive crag]

what about the little weavers in weavers den

[spare pendant]

The void seems to just be some substance that runs underneath the world, with every abyss just being places close to the void

[white panther]

Let me see if i got Hornet's origin correctly, and please correct me if im wrong somewhere

• PK needed dreamers and Herrah wanted a child and they made a deal
• PK maybe knew that Herrah was a weaver but most importantly she was protected, she had a lot of loyal subjects around her
• Herrah didnt want Hornet to be a weaver, or a wyrm, or a heir, she wanted Hornet to follow her own path
• The local weaver trained Hornet in the arts of silk and etc
• After Herrah became a full dreamer Hornet was sent to be trained by Vespa. Knowing how especial Hornet was (half wyrm half weaver) Vespa trained her HARSHLY and gave her the needle (and maybe named her, since Hornet sound more like a bee thing thn spider thing and is literally a translation of Vespa)
• The infection reached the hive and Vespa died
• Hornet lost the weavers, the bees, Herrah and Vespa, now she roams alone fighting the infection and etc until the end of HK
• many, MANY years later (after DNM or Delicate Flower ending i suppose) some bugs from Pharloom were sent to kidnap her and now we start SS

[cursive sinew]

Yeah but Widow has a given explanation by Hornet, Hornet is part Weaver and her looks were likely straight from PK. Grand Mother Silk is a higher being so no surprise there honestly.

[white panther]

Have i got something wrong or missed anything crucial?

[kind imp]

there is some level of resistance. here's hornet's comment before you go into the abyss the first time

[spare pendant]

Hornet and the Weavers are also called pale beings in silksong. I'm pretty sure it's a meaningless label that was used for pale king and white lady because they're literally the rulers of hallownest

[modest ermine]

Did we not read before responding? I literally drew 3 connections between all 4 higher pale beings we know of (Hornet, GMS, PK, WL) + Knight once (if you count that)

[lucid dirge]

i assume the everbloom is just the only way to go inside the void lakes but they can resist its influence etc

[craggy smelt]

to me that suggests that she's just armed with experience, knowledge, and power
she's just a bad-ass in general - in that sense, pale beings are resistant to damn near everything compared with common bugs

[kind imp]

+if you have the everbloom, you can stand directly into the void lakes. versus without it, and you get damaged and warped back

[tawdry flare]

The Abyss is likely a layer of the world

[modest ermine]

I think her being more prepared than most is just a reference to her experience in hollow nest

[spare pendant]

I shouldn't have mentioned hornet but the weavers are relevant as pale beings here. They explicitly ran from their birthplace which seems to contradict this pattern

[tawdry flare]

They’re called “pale ones”, which is not the same as Pale Being

[spare pendant]

There isn't any indication that the term means anything other than a loose grouping of the two most relevant figures in Hallownest

[craggy smelt]

this seems broadly accurate, yeah

[modest ermine]

Weavers are lesser pale beings, being created by GMS. Hornet is only a "higher pale being" because she is a true descendant of PK, similar to how Lace is actually a higher being, despite also being a spawn of GMS similar to Weavers.

[lucid dirge]

unsure about the weaver thing being true but hornet makes sense since she is the pale kings child as well

[craggy smelt]

I don't know about the Weavers, but hornet includes herself when talking about pale beings, referring to Silk, when talking to the Green Prince about how he was doomed to fall

[tawdry flare]

This lore SUCKS!!

[lucid dirge]

This lore FUCKS!!

this lore is so good i could DIE!!!!

[craggy smelt]

well, at least we only waited 7 years for it

[lucid dirge]

7 MORE FOR THE DLC FUCK YEAH

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

[modest ermine]

Suggesting there's an entire area, 3 confirmed pale beings, and there's absolutely some connection between soul and silk, I think it's safe to assume there's a true meaning behind the term.

[vestal whale]

how many fleas do i need to mvoe caravan to putrified ducts?

[craggy smelt]

hollow knight forever hundred years!

[spare pendant]

Wdym by the first thing?

[modest ermine]

Pale lake

[high bane]

The fleas were higher beings all along
We should've known

[spare pendant]

Oh I haven't seen it yet, I'll withhold further judgement

[modest ermine]

Another thing with pale beings we've get to mention, both Grimm and godseekers recognize PKs glow as fully distinct and special from the other higher beings around hollow nest

[craggy smelt]

the Palestag is also described as 'pale touched', might suggest the pale beings can invest their power into things
(possibly also the case with pale ore and pale oil)

[tawdry flare]

Oh great we’ve got Splinters now

[craggy smelt]

a sister, at least

[white panther]

This description is probably one of the few mentions of fear by Hornet

[modest ermine]

Palestag?

[spare pendant]

I would argue the weaver constructs are quite pale, actually /j

[modest ermine]

But yeah I agree with your point

[lucid dirge]

verdania

[tawdry flare]

Totally fair those things scare me too

[craggy smelt]

palestaaag

[lucid dirge]

dawg how did tc even think of people finding verdania i genuinely found it by complete chance

[modest ermine]

Uh I ain't been there 💀

I'm working on my 100% still lol

[lucid dirge]

green prince quest really easy to miss
go to the right of greymoor ( i think?)

[craggy smelt]

well, that explains why you haven't seen the palestag

[tawdry flare]

It can be marked on your map when doing the Act 3 quest apparently

[modest ermine]

I think I alr did the last step in that quest. I think.

[white panther]

she have seen some insane things, even void tendrils are ok to her but that little thing....scares her, damn

[somber storm]

palestag isn't even real

[modest ermine]

Bug version of uncanny valley

It's almost a bug, or almost not

[craggy smelt]

the glooms are weird

how much of an ecosystem is down there in the abyss

[high bane]

Things that live in the Abyss are weird. Probably aren't even actual bugs.

[tawdry flare]

It’s really funny that TC managed to sneak a Dream Boss into Silksong

[white panther]

maybe they know that the community is very communicative and we only need a handful of people to find it so we can spread the infection knowledge

[spare pendant]

I can't wait for the DLC where they're adding imagination bosses. if you play music to certain people, they'll start singing about a fight, and you can imagine yourself absolutely destroying them

[lucid dirge]

relying on community is kinda dumb but honestly if i think about it i think its fine

its clearly meant to be a secret thing thats easy to miss

[wild falcon]

Lost Lace is corrupted by abyss? If yes, then who is talking to us before the dive?

[white panther]

with things like this she sounds like a marveled biologist full of awe

[modest ermine]

The void doesn't have any structure. It simply has evolved to consume as much soul as possible. Void literally has no form until the Shade Lord comes into play

[naive crag]

they know the players are sick

[tawdry flare]

There’s a rhythm game and depending on how well you do it weakens the boss. If you’re bad at rhythm games you’re screwed

[high bane]

We had Shadow Crawlers before the Lord of Shades existed, though.

They and the Gloom creatures aren't Void, but they live in relation to it.

[spare pendant]

hallownest abyss is weird because the pale king and snail shamans loved giving void a form

[tawdry flare]

Lace appears to be very magical, and can project herself out of her body somehow

[modest ermine]

Those are in the abyss. Those are prolly just bugs taken over by void. Corrupted. Not pure void like the void lake or shades

[blissful canyon]

does this have something to do with the lore? if yes, please explain (I dont mind spoilers unless they're VERY MAJOR)

[tawdry flare]

The Shamans in Hallownest didn’t know about void

[edgy oriole]

Hi, I found her after defeating the Outcast boss, in the Ant queen room (But cannot find her after)

[modest ermine]

Just play the game and you'll find out

[spare pendant]

what about the two who had void spells

[naive crag]

bro play the game

[tawdry flare]

This is the uncensored major spoilers chat

[craggy smelt]

at least the crossroads shaman didn't, it might not have been widely practiced amongst Hallownest shaman

[tawdry flare]

That was TK absorbing their power to meld the spells with their void

[blissful canyon]

ig I'd better go then

[naive crag]

do we know why a fucking random frog has vengeful spirit

[white panther]

just FYI, you are being considered a spammer by discord for some reason, might want to change your password or something

[spare pendant]

hmm... alright

[high bane]

He stole the power from one of the Snail Shamans.

[spare pendant]

he ate the seeker shaman

nomnomnom

[blissful canyon]

yeah I got hacked quite recently and got the account back 😔

[modest ermine]

Oh that does explain why 😂 I was so happy I beat that dude he's just been pushed out of my memory

[somber storm]

he's like soul master from hk basically, ate a lot of souls

[naive crag]

so did he eat the shaman or a lot of souls which one

[high bane]

Shaman

[somber storm]

both

[craggy smelt]

shaman corpse is in the next room, I think

[high bane]

Probably some other people too

[craggy smelt]

there's a lore tablet that talks about it

[tawdry flare]

Our hate is forever

[modest ermine]

Unrelated note, I want a lot Silksong dlc to give us HK bosses for fun. Like soul tyrant would be such a fun fight with hornet

[craggy smelt]

Fill your hearts with hate, for power has now been claimed, and with it we shall punish.

[high bane]

He also invented racism, anti-homeless architecture, and the plague

[spare pendant]

it'll never happen but with mods maybe

[naive crag]

wow thats problematic

[spare pendant]

no way it is?

[modest ermine]

So the real reason you need to kill groal pre soul and silk is cus you need to free the power of the dead shaman. Hmmmm

[modest ermine]

TC hear my call, give us NG+ and HK bosses in this game 🙏

[spare pendant]

i really hope we get returning hk characters but i know we wont 😔

[white panther]

Question, when we play the needolin to some npcs do they remember singing with us and talking? Some seem to be in an almost catatonic state of sorts

[tawdry flare]

NG+ could be neat but you’d probably need more upgrades or upgrades would need to be reset

[spare pendant]

it seems to just be learned helplessness tbh

[bronze hemlock]

Are all Weavers female?

[spare pendant]

they sing because it's all they have. it's just normal to them

[naive crag]

how do weavers reproduce if theyre all female

[tawdry flare]

Yes, probably why Herrah demanded a child from the Pale King

[tawdry flare]

Other species

[modest ermine]

Just leave the crests. I wanna be able to do full playthroughs with a certain crest. Like literally who am I gonna fight with shaman crest?? The hardest bosses in the game with a new attack set doesn't sound fun, but I can't really go back and fight anything easier

[white panther]

Herrah had a hubby at some point for example

[naive crag]

theres little weavers in deepnest and they look completely weaver

not like herra or hornet that look really different

[tawdry flare]

We Love Retcons

[modern bay]

It seems like you genuinely probe into their minds like the first game, even enemies stop in their tracks so it's hard to imagine it's of their will and mind

[naive crag]

god i forgot they can just do that

[lucid dirge]

id love a ng+ but AT THE SAME TIMEEEEE I DONT WANT TO SPEND ANOTHER 70 HOURS

[tawdry flare]

Song can temporarily break the curse

[modern bay]

They don't seem to mention anything as far as dialogue

[bronze hemlock]

The 2 Princes of Verdania aren't brothers right?

[naive crag]

id LOVE to spend 70 hours

[lucid dirge]

no they just knew each other since childhood

[craggy smelt]

no, they were just born at the same time

[tawdry flare]

No, they’re just similar looking iirc

[bronze hemlock]

Ok, good.

[lucid dirge]

childhood lovers n such

[tawdry flare]

Oh yeah that detail

[bronze hemlock]

The yaoi may continue.

[lucid dirge]

70 hours of fighting savage beastfly maybe

[modern bay]

I thought they were lovers

[bronze hemlock]

They are.

[modest ermine]

I think the "song" might be a pre GMS/weaver thing. That was the power claimed by GMS to become the pale being of Farloom

[modern bay]

When he kneels to the cogwork dancer he mentions it was his partner

[naive crag]

man do you remember when hollow knight content creators went on psychosis and started doing literally anything because they didnt have new content

[lucid dirge]

they are literally so homosexual that their temu copy robots are gay

[tawdry flare]

Go Do Verdania

[naive crag]

im sure theyll enjoy savage beastfly

[modern bay]

I did that part as well

[lucid dirge]

i was doing p5 every day for like a few months at one point

silksong psychosis will set in until new dlc

[modern bay]

I just don't remember them mentioning anything about their partnership so explicitly there

[bronze hemlock]

Green Prince is pretty explicit when you needolin him.

[naive crag]

well how

its on the hunters journal too

[modern bay]

I just don't remember the dialogue is all

I was pretty tired and restless when I got to Act 3

[bronze hemlock]

I took a lot of breaks in late game tbh.

[modern bay]

There's a lot of information dropped on you throughout

[craggy smelt]

they were gay married princes

[bronze hemlock]

Doomed yaoi.

[white panther]

here

[modern bay]

I haven't read through all of the journal yet

Planning to once I get all of the entries

[bronze hemlock]

Honestly this boss was worse than Cogwork dancers because they have no sync with the music I think.

[naive crag]

the only yaoi in the game and its doomed we cant have anything

[bronze hemlock]

Every stream I watch, the streamer goes THEYRE GAY when they do the combo attack.

[craggy smelt]

only the first game provides solace

[bronze hemlock]

[modern bay]

Just found in this room mentions of the hunter luring in Hornet and recognizing her as a pale being

Pretty cool

[white panther]

what i dont get is why do they die after we go inside their past. Same with || Karmelita ||

[somber storm]

i think a lot of bugs call her pale because she's literally pale

[naive crag]

because you fight them to gain their power

[modern bay]

Persona reference

[lucid dirge]

dawg i think the crust king guy was already dead

[white panther]

something something the memory was still written on its shell

[kind imp]

the snails explain it. we use the last of their strength to manifest their hearts. let me find the line

[high bane]

Karmelita was the only one who was alive, I think. Her and the Green Prince.

[white panther]

which is very unpolite if you ask me

[modern bay]

Unsure, but after all the pale talk earlier it made me wonder

[high bane]

I do find it funny that we just wander into the Green Prince's memories while he's busy mourning and then kill him.

[white panther]

we are literally...LITERALLY murdering innocent bugs without even telling them why

[modern bay]

I felt awful about this

[naive crag]

karmelita implies she knows doesnt she

[high bane]

Karmelita knows why, if you talk to her. She seems fine with it.

[somber storm]

a lot of bugs calling her pale couldn't know about her origin, i think it's just the glowing white of her shell

[naive crag]

she just asks if you will be capable of it

[high bane]

Nyleth and Khann are too busy being dead to care.

[naive crag]

and the green prince seems happy about it

[modern bay]

Maybe not happy necessarily but at peace

[white panther]

gonna take a look
but still, the prince is like "could you leave me alone to mourn please?"....ye, sure, let me just murder you on your memories and extract your love

[high bane]

He calls it a "boorish intrusion"

[naive crag]

but in the end hes thankful to die along his partner since life has no meaning without him

[bronze hemlock]

Karmelita was the best act 3 boss tbh.

[fickle onyx]

his dialogue from before you free him from the cage implies he doesnt have the will to live anymore

[bronze hemlock]

If you discount the initial gauntlet.

[naive crag]

i think the other bosses are disappointing tbh

[lucid dirge]

wdym? watcher at the edge was clearly the peak of team cherry and will never be topped

[bronze hemlock]

100%

[naive crag]

theyre too easy or just barely bosses

[white panther]

we didnt even give him the full cycle of grief

maybe it was just a phase

[lucid dirge]

crust king feels like an act 1 boss and nyleth is just lowk bullshit that you just have to power through

[high bane]

Khann was fun, if not too hard. But the gauntlet beforehand was more where the challenge came from.

[spare pendant]

bell eater my beloved

[high bane]

I genuinely love Bell Eater in so many ways.

[naive crag]

khanns difficulty is annoying not challenging bc it comes from the gauntlet

[high bane]

Phenomenal moment to kick off act 3 with.

[lucid dirge]

even then after the shortcut he literally becomes a pushover

[white panther]

sadly i barely saw Nyleth, my cute little purple murder drones melted her

[lucid dirge]

i wish we actually got a full water area like we thought 🥀

[lucid dirge]

CONCHSHOT AND COGFLY.....GO!!!!!!!!!

[fickle onyx]

lowkey agree though, i expected more talking after we beat him about how he offers his life for pharloom or whatever but we just instantly ice him

[modern bay]

Nyleth is an interesting boss

[humble iron]

that's why you never use the tools the first time you fight a boss

[modern bay]

I was really sad that the coral boss was so underwhelming to fight, his area and appearance is so cool

[neon flax]

I just pogoed nyleth for like 10 minutes and she died

[high bane]

I feel like some Tools and Wanderer's Crest might actually deserve a nerf for how quickly they can melt things.

[white panther]

Sting, Sickle and Cogs, all purple and doubled. It was....sad

[humble iron]

I found the fight fun personally

[lucid dirge]

i mean i changed to them instantly after i first fought her cuz i just knew she would be annoying from the shitty gimmick lol

[white panther]

i wasnt even aware it was a boss

[lucid dirge]

fuck that bro im not doing that shit

[naive crag]

the whole area feels like it isnt finished imo

[lucid dirge]

eat my fucking purple conchshots and cogfly you stupid flower bitch

[naive crag]

i wonder if they just rushed it because everyone was pushing them

[humble iron]

the fight was fun though

[white panther]

I'm running 100% Steel now and i need all the cheese i can get, no shame, no mercy

[modern bay]

I just think it was kind of lazy comparitively? The other two have such cool arena gimmicks and their attack pattern is so cool, but that was my most anticipated area and it was just... meh? The speed-up was lazy or rushed too, imo

[lucid dirge]

i just think they didnt have enough ideas to justify spending any longer in it + it being a dream area would make it easy to miss a lot of things

[humble iron]

I think Khan was lazy because of the whole fucking gauntlet, hated that shit

[modern bay]

I don't think that's a good excuse seeing as the other two are incredible

[humble iron]

nyleth had an interesting arena gimmick

[white panther]

i honestly wanted the gauntlet to have like 10 floors instead of just 4

[neon flax]

seth was a way better fight

[modern bay]

Although Nyleth herself was a little boring

[white panther]

and a shortcut every 3

[naive crag]

FUCKK no gauntlets are the worst thing in silksong

[lucid dirge]

the other two what

[modern bay]

Seth was better than Nyleth I agree

[naive crag]

bosses

[white panther]

on random places ye, but there it makes sense and could have been pretty cool

[modern bay]

The other heart bosses

[humble iron]

Seth had the same solution to all his moves though, simply jumping slightly to the right then pogo'ing

[modern bay]

It felt a little too long and kind of exhausting

[muted lantern]

do you think we are gonna get steel assassin sharpe ever?

[white panther]

Seth's diffituclty comes in the way of getting 56 points on Juggler

[naive crag]

i think its better to have bosses stronger and memorable than a traumatizing gauntlet thats gonna make you want to uninstall

[spare pendant]

steel city dlc maybe

[modern bay]

But his movement and animations were interesting and varied greatly

[humble iron]

For sure he's a good fight

[somber storm]

i spent so long trying to find nyleth, i don't like how the game tells you it's in one area but the entrance is actually in a completely different area

[kind imp]

his captain america shield attacks was cool too

[lucid dirge]

i completely forgot about sharpe
do the steel drone things show up in steel soul?

[humble iron]

Found it after essentially scouring through every nearby area lol

[modern bay]

I think copy pasting a coral pillar in different directions is a little uninspired but that might just be me

[white panther]

i want both
I want everything
I also want a M72 anti tank LAW rocket launcher

[humble iron]

Nope, but since sharpe is a backer thing, I guess we will see him in a DLC

[lucid dirge]

i assume the dlc they said they already started working on is probably going to be about the steel city

[humble iron]

And I am excited to see more lore on the steel city

[naive crag]

i feel bad complaining about silksong like damn they made all that

[lucid dirge]

i hope they dont suddenly chsnge shit or add quests in act 2 that get locked later for the dlc though

[lucid dirge]

would be bullshit

[humble iron]

Also we would get more void lore right

since sharpe's made of void

[lucid dirge]

someone said that the steel city people can just summon void

[white panther]

i honestly prefer to keep the void as something we dont know much about

[lucid dirge]

so probably

[humble iron]

I think it's interesting to see a civilization that openly uses void

[white panther]

its dangerous, beautiful and misterious

[craggy smelt]

we don't know that the steelhearts are Void, but their vassals can summon it (which their masters frown upon)

[white panther]

Snail Village

[modern bay]

I like that aspect of it as well, even though I'm not well-read on Hollow Knight lore

[olive glen]

Oh I was wondering what happened to them

Did they get cut from the game?

[craggy smelt]

seems so, at least for now

[naive crag]

is there anything to know about void anyways