sk-lore

[spark valve]

Citadel more like citad L

[sage summit]

It originally was peaceful and thrived I'm pretty sure

[foggy fractal]

Bile Water ? more like... VILE Water... haha...

[spark valve]

Back before they got poisoned maybe

[sage summit]

Like the map description I swear says that bilewater used to be better or something like that

[spark valve]

Yeah

[sage summit]

Ye the citadel was just the worst neighbor

[craggy smelt]

the putrified ducts are draining pollution from the Citadel into it

[wispy phoenix]

What was greymore like before it was turned into London?

[sage summit]

Ohhhhh ok that makes sense

[sage summit]

Yeah what is greymoor even supposed to be?

Like a gravesite I get that

[wispy phoenix]

It gives me city of tear vibes but obviously there's not really a city there

[craggy smelt]

right now, workers are harvesting silken dregs in the air, drifting down from the Citadel

[spark valve]

It’s set up to harvest silk that falls from the citadel to be sent back up

[wispy phoenix]

So it's like the slums?

[craggy smelt]

I guess like how Bilewater is getting liquid pollution, Greymoor is getting fog/steam

[spark valve]

And the craws are there and were probably just minding their own business

[worn flicker]

Has silksong given us any new info about gods

[sage summit]

Ohhh gotcha

[wispy phoenix]

Geologically some of the water probably flowing yo greymore anyways because it's lower than the other locations

[craggy smelt]

it introduced a new one

[gloomy path]

why did the everbloom disappear in the void 🤔

[spark valve]

Its power is limited apparently

[worn flicker]

That much i know, just asking if I missed a tablet or an item to give to the collector which could shine some new light onto the gods or pale beings

[nimble ocean]

Guys I have a fun thingy that could happen, the god seeker happens to be in pharloom but it’s different than original, and what if you do a ton of stuff and the flying thing on mount fay takes you to the land of storms where you fight a boss for another game ending. (Future update, just for fun to think about and imagine)

[terse warren]

Do we know if the Court of Craws actually had any importance to Pharloom or was just its own thing

[blissful harbor]

soooo

why was phantom making the mist did she hate visitors thst much

[spark valve]

Seems like its own thing, they aren’t serving it or anything

[foggy fractal]

they're just chilling me thinks

[craggy smelt]

they're still pretty mysterious

[spark valve]

Might not even have been entirely intentional but yeah she does try to kill hornet if she shows up

[worn flicker]

I think she was tasked with controlling the exhaust systems of citadels steam? The mist is probably the runoff

[terse warren]

It's barely been a week

[worn flicker]

Clearly all will be explained in ZoteBoat

[foggy fractal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/games/hollowknightsilksong theres a bunch of mods here such as teleport anywhere or save states stuff like that
closest thing you'll get for now

[sage summit]

Pharlooms a tourist trap so that checks out

[craggy smelt]

it does seem like the term 'pale being' has been expanded to include a particular type of powerful entities - Silk is called pale and Hornet even includes herself

[sage summit]

15 rosaries for a bench and 25 to confess your sins 😭

[foggy fractal]

just farm those tall guys in citadel

[wispy phoenix]

Are there any charms/tools that are locked out in act3 apart from the || twisted child || achievement?

[foggy fractal]

I don't think so ? I think a tool can be upgraded but will be locked out of upgrades in act3 so you get only the base version of it ? not sure haven't tested

[edgy barn]

I dont think so? at least i doubt TC would be careless to allow that

[gloomy path]

is gms getting her arm back when she gets blown away by the soaring silk a animation error?

[craggy smelt]

she has like eight

[terse warren]

Unn and I think Rad too? in shambles rn

[craggy smelt]

I don't know about Unn, but I think Rad should be considered one now - PK refers to her as 'Blazing Kin'

[edgy barn]

first sinner and lost lace are my two favs

[craggy smelt]

Widow and First Sinner were pretty great

[terse warren]

Doesn't really say Pale tho iunno

[worn flicker]

Actually as someone mentioned phantom, ya guys think that the wraiths are created solely by her or are they more like, the silk dregs from the crematorium, channeled into the steam and smoke ducts which pass through the exhaust

[wispy phoenix]

Also Is it possible to fight grandmother after you set up the trap WHILE having the curse on you?

[spark valve]

Could be either or both

[foggy fractal]

from the top of my head
Cogwork dancers, Lost Lace, Karmelita, GMS, First Sinner are all great fights and have great sound tracks
Phantom too

[severe siren]

Did i or did i not call that we were getting a rogue weaver boss

[craggy smelt]

I think as they exhaust passes through the organ, they become shaped by Phantom's will

[terse warren]

In a way, at least 3 bosses have a harder fight version later on (5 if you include Moss Mothers and Beastfly)

Lace, First Sinner and Clover Dancers

[gloomy path]

i dont think it ever showed up in the physical forms, beside that special attack?

[wispy phoenix]

Lace ost obviously slaps but I think CKKs ost is really underrated

[edgy barn]

wdym first sinner has a harder version?

[languid nimbus]

Guys i need help, i tried to find the kidnapper and when i find it , i Saw him died

[terse warren]

It was a harder version of widow

[craggy smelt]

they're in there, all tucked away
hornet sprouts some extras after binding her in ending #1

[severe siren]

CKK is awesome

Easy sadly yes but still awesome

[edgy barn]

ahh okok got it, thought for a moment I missed sum buffed first sinner or smth lol

[severe siren]

I respect your opinion

[foggy fractal]

yeah dude just jumps around and sends coral spikes at you

[spark valve]

Tbf coming after that gauntlet it would be rough if he was actually hard

[wispy phoenix]

Yea the fight is so anti climatic but the OST is insane

[craggy smelt]

Last Judge was pretty fun

[terse warren]

I wish he had just one more attack

[severe siren]

I say the same thing for sister splinter

[foggy fractal]

I say the same thing but with GMS

[terse warren]

Maybe a more direct one rather than just spawning shit

[craggy smelt]

also Trobbio

[severe siren]

I think pinmaster needs more shit

[foggy fractal]

yeah like actually try and punch me

[terse warren]

How the hell did I forget Trobbio

[foggy fractal]

yep her too

like you built with the classic dorito shaped figure and all you do is run around and spawn shit c'mon Khann do better

[wispy phoenix]

Bros like set up as this past mighty king of the coral kingdom who controls the ocean or something.
Looks inside: has the same amount of moves as Oblobbles😭

[gloomy path]

when lost shakra 😔

[terse warren]

GMS is... Fine somewhat, for the role she covers

Can't wait till we get a harder version of her in Godhome dlc

[pallid shoal]

Trobbio is strangely Grimm troupe coded to me. I wonder if it would be possible for them to appear once more.

[craggy smelt]

I liked how Fourth Chorus had an alternate finisher, more of those would be have been neat

[foggy fractal]

god her theme is so good though

[spiral swift]

Do not even compare my glorious king coral guy to them

[gloomy path]

grimm troupe is actual occult shit wheras trobbio was just flamboyant

[edgy barn]

😱

[wispy phoenix]

Wait what? How do you get that

[terse warren]

Oh yeah I'm talking purely about the fight

[pallid shoal]

And rather dramatic and a lover of performances.

[craggy smelt]

when the air currents open up, you can drift way upwards and knock down a huge boulder on them

[severe siren]

I thought this was the intended way lmao

[wispy phoenix]

Oh does that instantly kill him or does it just do dmg

[edgy barn]

yea I agree with melee focused part tbf

[craggy smelt]

finishes him

[severe siren]

Instantly kills it
I did it for speedrun

[craggy smelt]

yeah same, I was surprised when I saw some other boss video where people just needle him to death

[gloomy path]

hope tc adds another superboss, radiance has not been topped.

[spiral swift]

You can needle him? I assumed you had to do the rock ngl

[terse warren]

Oh wait what I thought that was mandatory

[edgy barn]

difficulty wise or in terms of epicness?

[wispy phoenix]

Nice. I think I hit one of the two magma chunks but nothing happened so I thought u were supposed to hit him with the explosion itself and I just missed

[worn flicker]

I feel like there has to be some connection, considering the timeline maybe he was a member, if we assume that one of the results is canon

[gloomy path]

both now, gms was kinda mid

[foggy fractal]

right right

[edgy barn]

i liked her but yea not as good, but I do think lost lace is 100% harder

[severe siren]

Its crazy how you can grab a rosary string, beat moss mother, get silk spear, beat bellbeast, get the silk heart, get straightpins, get sprint, beat lace, get the spines for the cloak float, cloak float itself, beat fourth chorus, run past halfway home, go through the mite tunnels to moorwing and actually kill mooring all in sub 30 minutes

[craggy smelt]

Silk was full of Rad references - throws waves of vertical and horizontal blades at you, summons floor spikes, fills the screen with beams, haloed by shit (light/silk)

[pallid shoal]

It is also interesting because there is a father of the flames. It would be amazing to see more of them.

[foggy fractal]

yeah GMS's presentation could've use just a little more oomph

[edgy barn]

them higher beings need to vary their movesets🙏 😔

[foggy fractal]

plus shes pretty easy once you get the hang of it
ig that goes with thk too

[edgy barn]

id say shes slightly harder than thk but not nearly as hard as rad

[wispy phoenix]

Does Trobbio actually have a lore reason to be there? His existence feels so random and not connected to anything to me. Is he just a psychopath guy?

[severe siren]

Virgin father of the flames (grimm hk) vs the goated father of the flames (a totem that spits fire) 🔥

[pallid shoal]

He has a whole stage there so my guess he is hired to do performances.

[craggy smelt]

he's an entertainer - Citadel is basically a giant city

you gotta have stuff to do

[worn flicker]

Maybe he was a member, maybe he wants to postpone the destruction of the kingdom Simply to give the trouppe the time to arrive

[craggy smelt]

pharloom lives, so... Troupe probably won't be coming

[foggy fractal]

how about me i'm kinda fire too
not a father though

[wispy phoenix]

Yea but what's the reason he even fights you?

[pallid shoal]

For him to have been a member and then freed would mean there was a sort of banishment. Unless there are other ways.

[severe siren]

Let a man passionately throw hands in peace

[edgy barn]

well he prolly sees it as a performance as well

[spiral swift]

NGL the troupe trying to take the dying flames from when pharloom was at its lowest and hornet just beating the shit out of them until they left could go hard

[wispy phoenix]

Oh ok, so it's just because he's a psychopath 😂

[pallid shoal]

Pharloom isn’t in the best condition. Not as bad as Hallownest but not thriving neither.

[severe siren]

On everyone’s souls we all love the witch crest cutscene and we all want that contraption used on us to remove our parasites

[foggy fractal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1006341705924087919/1209116486418042930/caption-1-7-1.gif

[edgy barn]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

[spiral swift]

I don't have it can't be that bad yall just trash trust me gng

[wispy phoenix]

Something make me want to believe that for a boss that gets a re-fight Trobbio should have a more deliberate connection to the lore or something. But I guess he's just a bug caught in the tragedy

[edgy barn]

doesnt beastfly of all bosses have one🗿

[wispy phoenix]

Does it

I wouldn't know

[wispy phoenix]

Oh as in a re-fight

I thought u meant it has a connection to lore

[severe siren]

I dont think it goes deeper than silly theater masks where one’s happy while the other melancholic

[foggy fractal]

what if Savage Beastfly got even more Savage
call it Savagest Beastfly, bigger, badder, deals 3 masks, what do we think ?

[severe siren]

🎭

[foggy fractal]

this MIGHT be Trobbio.

[edgy barn]

nah nah thats why I said it, it has fuckall to do with the lore as well😭

[modest coyote]

Savage the most beast fly

[wispy phoenix]

I see.

[edgy barn]

make it hit kill instead😈

[severe siren]

Idk i didnt actually read trobbio’s journal entry

Both of em

[wispy phoenix]

I was really expecting Trobbio popping out after I beat him to at least give a dialogue or something

Just feels a little forced

[severe siren]

Well actually i do know one says thespian whatever and other is like melancholic thespian

[severe siren]

Genuinely i thought it was an Ogrim situation yeah

[modest coyote]

Ok look if I said any stupid things about lore yesterday it’s cause it was 12 am out

Btw the most crazy thing someone point out

The elevator doesn’t have an upwards path

[foggy fractal]

will people still make silksong fake screenshots

[modest coyote]

At the great gate

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/soccer-football-anime-blue-lock-isagi-yoichi-gif-27440248

[modest coyote]

They never were being funneled into the citidel

But only into the fucking underworks

They were making the pilgrims into workers

[edgy barn]

more like slaves tbh😭

[pallid shoal]

Underworks for the overworked.

[edgy barn]

if u help that one npc that is in a roller or whatever u get 1 single rosarie after running like a lunatic for a while

[modest coyote]

We don’t know the exact arrangement but probably

I think it’s very possible they were telling pilgrims “if you work we will eventually let you in”

[pallid shoal]

I do feel pretty bad about what happened to the Green Prince and his companion.

[modest coyote]

So coercive labour but not exactly slavery

Given all the false promises to the pilgrims

I would not be surprised if they told the pilgrims “you need to work for x time to get in”

[edgy barn]

wasnt the working for the "absolution" of their sins or wtvr

[modest coyote]

In the slab

But we don’t know that in the citidel

It seems the citidel pilgrims view it as a “test”

[dense sigil]

Is ||The Unravelled|| the Nosk of Silksong?

[edgy barn]

but even in the citadel (i think it was in the citadel at least) theres a confession machine where it automatically tells u to work till u die to be absolved no?

or was that in the slap

[modest coyote]

Was that in the citidel?

[edgy barn]

yea idk tbh

it is it is

[modest coyote]

Do u mean the fight or lore?

[edgy barn]

in the same room with the 3 benches that cost money

[modest coyote]

That true actually that they charge for benches there

[dense sigil]

Both, it kinda makes sense to make comparisons

[modest coyote]

They’re so evil wtf

They have an automatic pocket runner for pilgrims

[edgy barn]

actual demonic shit😭

[modest coyote]

So they tell pilgrims “come here”

Then they force them into workers and steal their money

That’s so evil

Gimme back pale king

Pale king was a good ruler

[edgy barn]

bro atp even the radiance would be better🙏

[modest coyote]

Pharloom is run by supervillains

The more you think about it the eviler they are

I can’t wait until the lore is completely. Constructed

They also had a fucking secret police (ok we don’t know if they were secret or not)

Imagine being a pilgrim

You are forced to be a slave, have your money stolen and if you try complain they put you in prison

[wispy phoenix]

How does the lore ever get confirmed? Or does it not

[edgy barn]

well depends what u consider "confirmed"

[wispy phoenix]

Cuz I was never there when hollow knight released so idk how we got the lore we did

[wispy phoenix]

Like the degree of understanding we have for hallownest

[sinful nimbus]

The game

[wispy phoenix]

And mossbag video ig

[modest coyote]

Yes for sure

[sinful nimbus]

Its mostly reading NPC dialogue, journal entries, and lore tablets

[modest coyote]

We got a lot of confirmation in silksong

[wispy phoenix]

But it's all community effort?

[sinful nimbus]

For HK we have a lot of statements from the developers about the story too

[edgy barn]

well allat are technically still theories, (not all but yk what i mean) theyre just agreed upon by the consensus of the community

[modest coyote]

That’s half the fun

[wispy phoenix]

Yea that's what I'm wondering

[modest coyote]

But the lore is not like

Ambiguous there’s a clear story they made

They made the game with a story in mind

They didn’t add the story post facto

[wispy phoenix]

Yea I know and I really wanna see how close we can get to that story

[edgy barn]

imo the story of this game is more confusing than the first one, that was a lot more straightforward

[modest coyote]

I don’t think it’s that confusing

I mean

[edgy barn]

not like its some insanely obscure stuff jst the timeline being more confusing imo

[modest coyote]

Obviously there are confusing stuff in it

But the premise isn’t too complex

[edgy barn]

yea im mostly talking about the whole thing about GMS and the weavers and lace and allat stuff before the game itself

guess its still early tbf

[distant briar]

mossbag

when hollow knight released not that many people bought it, like a good chunk but not that many

So it was the complete opposite to what is happening right now

[wispy phoenix]

Ye

[distant briar]

lore was gathered over the next few months after release or maybe one to two years

[wispy phoenix]

So many ppl I know are rushing through hk just to play ss

[distant briar]

shi look at mossbag he made videos for like 6 years on lore

we speedrunning silksong lore over here

[vivid kernel]

Im craving silksong lore vids

Any good videos yet

[wispy phoenix]

Yea but I really don't think anything we have is strong enough yet

[edgy barn]

mossbag better hurry tf up

[distant briar]

wait for mossbog

[wispy phoenix]

To match 6 years of understanding

[edgy barn]

yea it rlly isnt😭

[vivid kernel]

Mossbag the goat

[edgy barn]

isnt mossbag more of a lore compiler rather than actually coming up with all the things in his vids? thats what I always thought

[distant briar]

the thing is the game is so fricking popular I think most if not all lore will be available on youtube in one to two months

Let‘s just hope Team Cherry decides to get a few workers or something

[wispy phoenix]

I feel like a lot of the ppl who are jumping on the bandwagon don't care enough about the lore it's probably still the hk fanatics who's are digging the hardest

But more exposure is good ig

[nocturne galleon]

What's currently the synopsis on the game's lore we do know?

[novel eagle]

The game starts with hornet being captured and being taken to the citadel, she is freed after a butterfly (lace's) lands on her cage.

She traverses through the bowels and trenches until reaching the citadel and killing the "Curse" haunting pharloom.

[edgy barn]

nothing confirmed but timeline wise, before the game's events, at some point GMS gives conscience and silk related abilities to normal cave spiders who then become the weavers, these weavers initially serve/worship her but after some undetermined amount of time and for non confirmed reasons they fall out and the weavers are hunted down and killed, some of them run and some of them hide in pharloom. At some point as well GMS goes to sleep/is put to sleep but stays running things in the citadel. Its heavily implied GMS wants some way to make an eternal child so she likely wants hornet's silk to sustain lace for eternity

thats what I understood at least😭

[novel eagle]

I think lace's life was indefinitely sustained?

it's not like she was receiving silk during the bossfights rather using it mostly

[edgy barn]

i figured since she still considers herself a failure she isnt exactly immortal as is

[spark valve]

pharloom exists and shit is fine
grand mother silk shows up and creates the weavers as her 'daughters', as well as artificial beings born from silk, Lace and Phantom
weavers decide they don't really like the situation, some of them flee, some of them that remain trap her and put her to sleep, building songshrines to keep her that way
weavers start to fade away, presumably because they have trouble reproducing, and the citadel caste takes over, building the citadel and using its song to keep the mother silk asleep
citadel bugs eventually start using silk to attempt to attain immortality by surgically implanting it in their shells, eventually causing many of their minds to succumb to the grand mother silk, leading to the citadel being silenced.
She starts waking up, causing the haunting to take over pharloom at large, and sends hunting parties out to track down the descendants of weavers who fled including hornet, to gather their silk. This is probably to sustain Lace, who requires a large amount of silk to stay alive
Hornet is captured and brought to Pharloom, but Lace breaks her out because Lace is a rebellious little shit who wants hornet to fuck shit up so she has a chance to get back at her mom

[novel eagle]

If that was the case im sure the mother would've been more than keen to work out a deal with hornet to keep lace alive instead of fighting her and making a pawn out of her?
Unless the silk mother saw the need for a pale being to even talk to a wretched lower-scum as beneath herself

[edgy barn]

well I assume she knew hornet wouldnt want to be an eternal silk producing unit for lace

[novel eagle]

get back at her mom for what
Choosing hornet as the favorite?

[spark valve]

for creating her in a form she despises

[edgy barn]

also what do we think about the weaver's relation to the void?

[spark valve]

Life? You're too generous! This weak, wasting existence. This was not life, just a husk shaped to act as a child

[novel eagle]

kinda big mistake im sure hornet would've done it

had the silk mother agreed to also stop haunting the citade

[spark valve]

they had at least a passing interest, maybe were looking into it as an option to kill gms or something but it doesn't seem like much came out of it

[novel eagle]

the black part of lace makes me think shes made with silk and void for some reason =,=

[spark valve]

she's not

[novel eagle]

ik shesmade purely of silk

canu imagine mother just painting her face on

[edgy barn]

i do wonder why the void chose to take control over lace in particular tho, like what did it want with that?

[cinder belfry]

I just finished true ending, and I am kind of confused. From my interpretation in this ending SS is a sequel and the P5 ending of hollow knight is canon. This contradicts team cherry's previous statement a couple years ago that no endings are canon and you get to choose which ending in their games is canon. Am I missing something or does this straight up contradict that?

[spark valve]

she's made of silk, that's just what it does with soul magic

[edgy barn]

couldnt it jst kill her tho?

[spark valve]

it's ambiguous whether dnm or etv is canon to silksong, in either case the other endings of hk can remain canon to itself

[spark valve]

could it? sure, and it probably would eventually, but it hasn't yet

[novel eagle]

Think of it like this each ending causes a separate timeline,
we see the aftermath of dream no more ending only.
But in HK all the endings arecanon

[spark valve]

lost lace is not that dissimilar to the void coated threads seen in the background of act 3

[novel eagle]

although it lead one to question why our silk wasnt "infected" with void

[vivid kernel]

Why's lace got beef with gms, I don't think I caught that

[spark valve]

hornet isn't connected to gms

[edgy barn]

all endings cant be canon when in one of them hornet is trapped in the black egg tho

[spark valve]

she despises her for creating her in the form she is

Life? You're too generous! This weak, wasting existence. This was not life, just a husk shaped to act as a child

[cinder belfry]

How is it dream no more and not embrace the void? The shade lord appears for a few frames before the "void given form" version of the knight saves the day, and with seemingly domination over void decides to spare hornet. In dream no more the knight dies, so unless their shade joined the void hive mind I can't see how that works out

[spark valve]

it doesn't die in dream no more it just goes to the void

[vivid kernel]

True, thats a whole mood

[novel eagle]

someone said that its not the knight its just the shade lord idk why ..

[spark valve]

they're wrong if they said that

[cinder belfry]

Is that confirmed somewhere or did the community figure out that the vessels are immortal and they go to the void once their shell gives up?

[novel eagle]

Im saying we're only seeing the timeline of the dream no more ending

[acoustic lark]

i would say that shade lord is the knight full potential not how he is actually

[spark valve]

void heart itself says the vessel no longer needs the shell and is 'unconstrained'

[novel eagle]

think of it like several game saves
we're only seeing game save 5 being continued here the rest ended there and are all canon to HK's universe.

[edgy barn]

well yea but I think thats enough to call that ending the canon one given its a whole sequel, i wouldnt take TC comments about the endings too seriously since that was so long ago

[modest coyote]

They didn’t want to spoil probably

[novel eagle]

Anyways do you think nameless town is dirtmouth

[spark valve]

it's definitely not dirtmouth

[novel eagle]

I have strong feelings that it is
.-.

[modest coyote]

Dirtmouth?

[cinder belfry]

I am not doubting that, I am just wondering now whether the dream no more or embrace the void presumably with or without the flower is the continued timeline here.

At least it's confirmed it's a sequel. I think... probably

[acoustic lark]

yeah sure

[spark valve]

dirtmough
is somewhere else
looks nothing like that

[novel eagle]

u sure?

[distant briar]

smoking that weird weed from the guy across the street

[obtuse jackal]

guys lemme tell yall true lore,

[novel eagle]

i would say embrace the void

[spark valve]

yes I'm sure we see dirtmouth we know where it is what it looks like etc

[acoustic lark]

probably the godhome like dlc will explain the endings and new ones

[modest coyote]

I mean that’s true but also the knight is barely a person

[novel eagle]

its a husk

[spark valve]

it could be either that's deliberate

[modest coyote]

We have seen a single thought from the knight and it’s still ambiguous

[cinder belfry]

Yeah I agree

[blissful harbor]

hallownest isn’t even anywhere near pharloom

[distant briar]

Anyone knows anything about the alt ending?

[novel eagle]

what areas does HK have that might've made the slightest apperance in SS

[modest coyote]

The bugs aren’t anything like in dirtmouth

[novel eagle]

it would be so cool tho

[distant briar]

deepnest

[acoustic lark]

the cursed?

[spark valve]

abyss is the only one and it's not the same place

[modest coyote]

Dirtmouth looks nothing like nameless town

[spark valve]

pharloom and hallownest are in different places

[cinder belfry]

The village in deepnest appears for a few seconds in hornet's red memory

[distant briar]

The one ending that noone completed until now

[spark valve]

to be clear you do know this yes?

[edgy barn]

the one with hornet as seemingly a higher being right? who knows

[novel eagle]

every hk area appearns in red memory??

[spark valve]

they're different kingdoms

[acoustic lark]

there is no achievement

[novel eagle]

having them connected would've been cool

[spark valve]

but they aren't

also no that would've been stupid as shit

[distant briar]

right it‘s weird as hell

[cinder belfry]

I haven't seen dirthmouth or crystal peaks or a whole bunch of them, but some appeared

[novel eagle]

I wonder why theres no ending that lets hornet just leave

[edgy barn]

maybe steel soul mode

[distant briar]

even weirder

[stark glade]

Has this already been discovered?

[spark valve]

there is an ending that lets hornet leave

[distant briar]

some already finished

[novel eagle]

wut ending

[spark valve]

sister of the void

[novel eagle]

??

[acoustic lark]

no way but maybe steel soul have something new cause i think nobody completed the game

[novel eagle]

I mean like leave through the blasted steps area

[spark valve]

she can leave

she can leave that way if she wants

[novel eagle]

theres no ending like that

we dont see her leaving into the distance

[distant briar]

people completed on steel soul already

[spark valve]

it would be out of character for her to leave before defeating gms or solving the void issue

[novel eagle]

srsly? how the fucck

its humanly possible thats crazy

[edgy barn]

unemployment🗿

[acoustic lark]

or cheats

cheat engine is not that hard yk

[distant briar]

yeah without act 3 it‘s pretty easy tbh remember that Bilewater is completely optional you only need to fight widow, last judge do the High Halls gauntlet (which would be the hardest challenge probably) and then gms

[dense sigil]

Is VoltVyrm a higher being?
/j

[distant briar]

not even close

[novel eagle]

cogwork dancers

[distant briar]

they ain‘t all that after defeating them once

[opal pond]

Do we know what kind of bug shakra is

[acoustic lark]

whats the deal with cogwork dancers and clover dancers?

[blissful harbor]

they’re gay

and in love
that’s the whole story

[acoustic lark]

this game fell off too much woke

[novel eagle]

Prince fell in love danced with his beloved wished to grow old
was imprisoned and taken away, his partner built cogwork dancers and imbued his soul within them to make them both function

doomed yaoi

[blissful harbor]

but actually, the dancers are based on the green prince and his husband, and i believe they have a piece of his soul maybe??

[acoustic lark]

cool

[novel eagle]

karmelita and cogwork dancers are my favorites

[blissful harbor]

the husbands soul

[novel eagle]

??

its so sad

[spark valve]

they have the husband's soul yes

[acoustic lark]

not cool

[novel eagle]

why did we never get to see the husband

only a silhouette

[spark valve]

because he died and his soul was put in the dancers

[blissful harbor]

he looks like the green prince afaik

[novel eagle]

yes but like in his memory im pretty sure they couldve placed him there.

[blissful harbor]

doesn’t hornet talk about loving someone that looks so much like yourself in his entry

[novel eagle]

aint hismemory able to remember what he lookedlike?

[spark valve]

yes

[novel eagle]

oh god if they wiped the husband's face from his memory and only the memory that he loved his husband remained..
Thats so much more depressing

[polar latch]

i dont have the strength to do steel soul mode, where the flip are the steel guys? steel assassin sharpe and the big guy in the coral place? ive seen the stuff for the vassal lost quest or whatever but i havent seen anything about the others

[blissful harbor]

sharpe got cut unfortunately

[polar latch]

aw really? did the big guy in the coral area get cut too? ik the coral area doesnt really exist so i wouldnt be surprised

[spark valve]

he's still in

[polar latch]

oh really? whats his whole deal i dont think ill ever do steel soul

[lapis geode]

So, is it gonna unlock a different dialogue if I met green prince first?

I kinda do meet the dancer before the prince.

[polar latch]

and is there any other steel guys besides him and the watcher?

[spark valve]

oh I thought you meant crust king

the steel guy is gone

though still the achievement icon

[polar latch]

ohh hm

they did confirm dlc, i wonder if theyll show up there

[lapis geode]

I think DLC wouldn't come up so soon.

[polar latch]

also its a shame to me that basically every cut enemy from hollow knight showed up except for the blundering oberlisk :(

[novel eagle]

7 years later..

[polar latch]

i swear leth(?) directly confirmed thered be dlc

like recently too

[novel eagle]

nono he means release of it

[lapis geode]

How 'bout my question?

[polar latch]

ohhhhhhh

[novel eagle]

noidea

[lapis geode]

Nice... I'll try to meet the prince first then. First playthrough I go through The Judge first. Now I want to try the sinner's road

[polar latch]

oh yeah with all this hindsight i cant believe anyone possibly thought this game could be a prequel lmao

[spark valve]

it was silly without hindsight too

[lapis geode]

...prequel? How?

[polar latch]

idk people thought it would be one

i was always a sequel truther

[novel eagle]

bcuz like

hornet is a millino years old

[lapis geode]

This more like a spin-off if we follow the definition of it.

Since spin-off means "telling the story in different perspective" Silksong basically a Spin-off and also a Sequel to Hollow Knight.

[polar latch]

i just meant in terms of timeline placement

[pale escarp]

If Silksong was a prequel then The Knight would be fucked if he had to fight Silksong Endgame Hornet

[novel eagle]

It just takes place after Void ending

[polar latch]

people genuinely believed it took place pre-hollow knight somehow

[novel eagle]

EVEN still how did the KNIGht win over hornet in ANY of her fights

[polar latch]

we secretly do two masks of damage

[novel eagle]

Vespa crying watching her disciple fight a husk

[pale escarp]

She probably held back

[lapis geode]

Indeed.
Also, I'm still curious bout the time span of Hollow Knight Universe.

How long the infection occur before the HK being placed, and how long HK delay it inside the black egg is detrimental for how old Hornet could be

[polar latch]

nah hornet was actively trying to kill us

[acoustic lark]

i hope zote goes to utah in the next game

[novel eagle]

"Actively"

running in every section we enter like that green mossy area in hk we enter it and she just grapples away

[lapis geode]

She basically isn't accustomed with the pogo of hunter crest there🤣

[blissful harbor]

TK is like scarily strong

[lucid heron]

she definitely held back, looking at her skillset in ss. . .

she probably wasn't 'holding back' so much as just 'not trying too hard'

[polar latch]

just meant in the fight

[pale escarp]

It's GG once she starts spamming the silk swords

[blissful harbor]

she directly tells us in her kingdoms edge rematch she’s not holding back

[pale escarp]

or the Rosary Machine Gun

[novel eagle]

Ok but being honest silk mother didnt put up a fight even
All she had were 3 attacks

What happened ?? did tc give up on her boss completely

[lapis geode]

Also, I wonder...
If we have a mod that can make us switch between Crests and play like Devil May Cry...

Would it become Canonically accurate Hornet?

[weary shard]

if the slab is like the main jail of the citadel that what’s sinners road?

[blissful harbor]

holding cells

[novel eagle]

the place for the lowest* crust of the kingdom

[lapis geode]

Nurgle's chamber

[pale escarp]

a road for sinners

[weary shard]

damn they got two prisons and a labor camp that’s crazy

[novel eagle]

✍️ 🔥

[pallid shoal]

They also seem to catch and feed a lot of these snapping crocodile looking things for food.

[novel eagle]

dont forgot bilewater
Someone had really bad chinese takeout when making that

"Bile"

[lapis geode]

Imagine put in Sinner's road cause you are gay with your dance partner😭

No joking here cause that's just sad. Dude miss his homie

[novel eagle]

spell homie with ie please

;_;

also lover not homie

[weary shard]

i thought bilewater was just like the dumping zone for filth

[lapis geode]

I don'r like the extra two letter:v

[vital island]

Bilewater is the obligatory poison swamp

[pallid shoal]

They took his partner and used his soul (?) to turn him into an Automaton and was never seen again. What happened, seriously.

[novel eagle]

I really dont understand what was so bad about the prince's love
And what hapepened to those who imprisoned it

[weary shard]

expect instead of poison it’s dark souls curse

[novel eagle]

Nono after prince was taken, the husband made the cogwork dancers (out of his depression of being unable to be with him) and imbued them with his soul

[lapis geode]

I know...
But "homie" just feels sadder than lover🥲

[vital island]

Grandmother silk ordered the Weavers to make Bilewater after saying "We'll never be taken seriously as a soulslike without a poison swamp and the worst boss arena ever concieved"

[pallid shoal]

Yeah but he was probably forced because why would he himself put his soul into them?

[novel eagle]

Because of love?? depression??

[weary shard]

“don’t forget to give that wanna be frog soul powers”

[blissful harbor]

symbolismmm

[blissful harbor]

he cannot be with his love so he put his soul in machines built around their love to dance forever

[pallid shoal]

It always felt a bit forced to me, like a sort of kidnapping without giving him the choice to return, ever.

[vital island]

Wait are you saying that wasnt a real frog?

[novel eagle]

he coudnt bare to live without his love so as his last act in the living realm, he chose to make something out of love and imbue himself with artificial love

[lapis geode]

Maybe the prince relationship with him isn't allowed because royal family problem, y'know?

Then ofc, gay story is not complete without exaggerated twisted fate.

[novel eagle]

the one who was kidnapped was the prince not the lover

[weary shard]

i mean, everything is a bug

[vital island]

Frogs arent bugs?????

[lapis geode]

In the end some story better left unanswered. I just felt it's too personal to gouge out the detail of some people🧐

[pallid shoal]

Didn’t the prince try to get to the partner?

[weary shard]

no 😔

[lapis geode]

So the crows & the rats?
Damn

[pallid shoal]

Tragedy. I felt awful defeating the dancers.

[weary shard]

i mean those a mites and “”craws””

[blissful harbor]

honestly

[lapis geode]

Craws?
Like shrimpy?

[blissful harbor]

whole fight was epic then last phase came on and the tears started

[pallid shoal]

When you seek the hearts in Act 3 I am not taking his.

I wonder if later on something will change or not.

[lapis geode]

Just take it bro.
It's already worthless for him anyway.

What's a heart with only longing?

[pallid shoal]

For the lore I want to believe he can eventually be happy again. He deserves some happiness after all of that.

And I would feel even worse taking his heart.

[lapis geode]

He deserve eternal peace.
Continue living is just prolonged suffering

Welp, we have different view. In my experience killing him is a mercy.

[pallid shoal]

Well I have yet to see if not taking his heart impacts something in the game, it would also be interesting if it did.

[lapis geode]

I may try it too

I basically still playing blind and want to try some shit before trying again in my 2nd slot.

[pallid shoal]

I also discovered that Lace has a sister by playing music randomly near… a tube thingy.

[blissful harbor]

that’s kinda messed up

he could find love later

[wispy phoenix]

Aren't they both princes

I thought that's what it said in the journal

I thought they were twins inc*st gay or some shit💀

[pallid shoal]

Or even some kind of closure, hence why I would not take his. Granted it will probably take a very long time.

[blissful harbor]

they’re just lovers
the journal just says they look alike

[wispy phoenix]

There was a lore tablet somewhere in verdania that said they were born on the same beat or something like that

[blissful harbor]

i don’t think that means they’re related lmao
more of a destined lovers kind of thing

[novel eagle]

/??

[blissful harbor]

always meant to be

[pallid shoal]

That could mean a lot of things.

[novel eagle]

what in gods name

[wispy phoenix]

I legit thought they were twins 😭

[novel eagle]

BRO WHAT

[pallid shoal]

It reminds me more of people saying "Born with the same moon phase or destined for each other."

[wispy phoenix]

Like they also look identical basically

[clever trail]

Hello can anybody help me I can’t reach act 3

[novel eagle]

Im chuckling at the train of thought "yess!! team cherry promoting sweet home alabama"???

[wispy phoenix]

I mean for insects that's not too much out of the question

I hope

[blissful harbor]

hello no one can either youre stuck forever/j

[novel eagle]

No im pretty sure he was just attracted to someone who looked like him

[pallid shoal]

You see an ant with an ant. They all look the same.

[novel eagle]

there are various dopplegangers IRL that arnt evn relatedinany way

[wispy phoenix]

What's the journal entry for clover dancer I forgot

[clever trail]

Seriously I need help 😦

[blissful harbor]

something like is it vain or selfless to love someone who looks so much like yourself

[clever trail]

Can someone help me get to act 3

[limpid summit]

Cogwork dancers said they share a soul, then you can find GP lamenting over one’s corpse and he talks abt his lover

[blissful harbor]

btw it’s definitely vain, idk what hornet is smoking

[wispy phoenix]

Yea it says "Dual princes of verdania"

[pallid shoal]

"Dual princes of old Verdania, beloved by their subjects for their grace and for the ballet of death they delivered upon outsiders."

-For one to love another so similar to themselves, is that selfless or vain?

[wispy phoenix]

Does that not mean they are both princes

[blissful harbor]

if you marry a princess, you are now a prince
if you marry a king, youre the queen
thst doesn’t mean they’re related

[wispy phoenix]

But they aren't princess and prince, they are dual princes tho

[pallid shoal]

You can also marry a prince and be a prince.

[blissful harbor]

they’re both guys lmao

[wispy phoenix]

Unless that's an English expression

[whole hawk]

Any new Steelsoul stuff in Act 3?

[wispy phoenix]

I see

[blissful harbor]

the same applies just replace princess with prince

[novel eagle]

we know one thing forsure

IT I S D E F I N I T E L Y not incest

[pallid shoal]

Same gender relationships, we knew the Mourner and the traitor lord’s daughter, Sheo and Nailsmith and them. Unless I forgot someone.

[spiral swift]

Silksong lore be teaching people about homosexuality ❤️‍🩹

[blissful harbor]

gay ppl exist??

[novel eagle]

yes

[wispy phoenix]

I thought they were both princes because they were from the same family 😭 mb

[novel eagle]

this fandom is more than 10 years old and the skills required to play both games are well over the age of 10

[novel eagle]

bro you REALLY thought they were promoting incest??

[pallid shoal]

I have seen some people believe that too.

[vital island]

"Teaching people" about homosexuality lmao they already know

[novel eagle]

that thought never even crossed my mind once x_x

[wispy phoenix]

Well I didn't think they promoted it. I thought a species of bugs did that or something and they are referencing it

[pallid shoal]

Most say it is because of the "same soul" for the cogwork dancers.

[novel eagle]

No no no..

he was in love with himself but that doesnt mean he was literally in love with his twin

he was just in love with someoen who looked like him

[wispy phoenix]

Especially the lore tablet made it sound like it

[pallid shoal]

Yeah but some people for some reason thought about them being siblings.

[novel eagle]

Knowing what I do know about bugs this might not be farfetched..

[vital island]

Twin can refer to any similar thing in a paired set

[novel eagle]

bro stop you're ruining my favorite boss for me

[wispy phoenix]

That's my first thought😭

[novel eagle]

stop it

[wispy phoenix]

One of my favorites too

[pallid shoal]

They’re not though.

[novel eagle]

nono you're wrong henry you're dead wrong

you're delusional

[wispy phoenix]

Especially cogdancer ost

I hope I'm wrong

[novel eagle]

that ballerina spinning what do you call it

[vital island]

There is no green prince bugcest in silksong

[pallid shoal]

They are not related just two men bugs in love.

[novel eagle]

Yes.

although this does confirm green prince was a narcissist

bro took "Love yourself" to a whole new level

[pallid shoal]

Princes and nobility tend to show these traits I guess.

[novel eagle]

the weird part is

They're nobles too.. so incest isnt even wrong

[wispy phoenix]

I swear a lore tablet said they were born on the same beat

What else could that mean😭

[pallid shoal]

It doesn’t mean they are related.

[wispy phoenix]

Oh I see

[pallid shoal]

As I said before it could mean that they were really meant for each other. Like being born on the same day as your crush.

[novel eagle]

it just means they're really in sync with their dancing

[wispy phoenix]

I was thinking like beat as in "moment"

[exotic trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[pallid shoal]

It could mean so many things.

[wispy phoenix]

It's alright I am convinced they aren't related by blood

[novel eagle]

you really put that thought in my head tho

nobility.. bug traits..

them mentioning "he loved himself" so many times

[vital island]

Homie made zaid think about bugcest as a prank

[pallid shoal]

In any case blood or not… as someone with half siblings or someone else with adopted siblings it doesn’t make it okay neither.

[wispy phoenix]

They are strangers who looked basically identical. That's the conclusion and let's end it here

[pallid shoal]

Well they are bugs.

Same species tend to look the same.

[spark valve]

they're probably the same species looking similar isn't abnormal whatsoever idk why people are just making stuff weird to make stuff weird

[wispy phoenix]

That's what I'm saying I'm fully convinced now that someone's explained it

Not sattire

[novel eagle]

ok so you come in here
Convince yourself that its not incest
but you also convinced me it could be incest

[wispy phoenix]

Sorry. I was just sharing what my first impression was

[arctic mountain]

Green prince is a bit narcissus coded but his heart was in the right place (well now its in hornets room)

[novel eagle]

Stilldont understnad why they had him imprisoned or taken away
Forbidden love?

Was the lover a commoner or something

[arctic mountain]

I believe the act of his partner sacrificing himself to make the cogwork dancers to save verdania didn't sit well with him

[novel eagle]

that act happend out of depression after the green prince was taken away

[arctic mountain]

I imagine that's what happened but the citadel did it anyway because they are evil

[arctic mountain]

Citadel being a religious cult, they were homophobic. But really they were probably just terrified how how dangerous of a warrior he was

[novel eagle]

Ehh

I dont think they were homophobic

They care about status more than anything

[wispy phoenix]

Can you proceed to act 3 without saving green prince?

[novel eagle]

A commoner king prince queen vagrant pilgrium

[novel eagle]

no

[arctic mountain]

That was more a joke, probably verdania threatened them as a potential militaristic power due to how effective the dancers were at killing

[wispy phoenix]

Why not. Does something prevent you from doing so

I'm just curious

[novel eagle]

its a % thing

and also one of the 3 memories is clover dancers

[spark valve]

you don't need every accessible %

[wispy phoenix]

Yea but going to act 3 doesn't have a % requirement

[spark valve]

no it isn't

[novel eagle]

it does??

[wispy phoenix]

Yea it's not, he's the 4th

[spark valve]

it probably does but there's a margin, you don't have to do everything available

[novel eagle]

Isn't it karmlita khan and clover dancers?

[spark valve]

no

[novel eagle]

you gotta do every side quest to access act 3

[spark valve]

karmelita, crust king, and nyleth

[novel eagle]

??? (to the ❌not what u said)

[wispy phoenix]

Oh I thought it's only the wishes and fleas

[sinful nimbus]

I didn't do every side quest

[novel eagle]

side quests are wishes..

[spark valve]

fleas aren't necessary all wishes also aren't

[sinful nimbus]

Particularily the couriers

[novel eagle]

WhAT

[wispy phoenix]

And freeing prince is not a wish

[novel eagle]

WHAT HAVE I BEEN DOING??

[near wyvern]

have we ever read the name of the king of pharloom? is there even one? did i rush the game for not knowing that 😭

[novel eagle]

the hell do i do to get act 3 then

[spark valve]

do random stuff

[novel eagle]

excuse me?

[spark valve]

there is no king

[novel eagle]

GRAND FATHER SONG

[near wyvern]

aren't kingdoms supposed to have kings

[spark valve]

it's probably a completion % requirement do random stuff until the quest appears in bellhart

[novel eagle]

yeah well this KINGdom has a QUEEN

[spark valve]

not necessarily no

[novel eagle]

/MOTHER

[near wyvern]

i guess its a queendom now

[wispy phoenix]

Really, I thought u needed at least all the wishes from the bulletin board. Is it just a % detection

[novel eagle]

rwby ice queendom reference

[arctic mountain]

Kingdoms just need a monarch regardless of gender

[spark valve]

seems that way, I know somebody who got there without doing all the wishes

[novel eagle]

ok so what did they do after
Like whats the next step

[near wyvern]

hm, thank you

[wispy phoenix]

I see, good info thanks

[novel eagle]

after wishes

[spark valve]

once you meet whatever the requirement is a wish appears in bellhart

[wispy phoenix]

So I'm assuming you miss the entire verdania in act 3 if you don't free him 💀

[novel eagle]

okay and what is that wish

[spark valve]

silk and soul

[novel eagle]

I see

[spark valve]

can you not free him in act 3

[near wyvern]

what

[novel eagle]

what

[wispy phoenix]

Maybe, but then he never sees the cog dancer himself hence it wouldn't make sense for him to weep next to the remains

[sinful nimbus]

He weeps either way

[spark valve]

hm, maybe? I feel like it would make enough sense for that to be able to happen offscreen or in act 3 but idk, obviously I haven't tested it and I won't be

[novel eagle]

Not once does he actually weep in game.

his sadness is all bottled up..

so depressing

[wispy phoenix]

Yea maybe you just enter his memory but without the cog dancer body

[arctic mountain]

Atleast green prince and his lover are together in the end

[novel eagle]

They are?

Oh you mean dead

[stable fjord]

what does the pious isamor statue do/mean lore wise or other?

[arctic mountain]

The conjoined heart implying both their souls are intertwined together now

And its still beating 🥺

[buoyant wyvern]

Hollow Knight is a grimdark setting so victories are typically pyrrhic and endings are not happy

[high bane]

I'm not sure about that. Act 3's ending is, despite the cost of reaching it, hopeful. Pharloom finally has a chance to start recovering, and Hornet has committed to helping it.

[lapis geode]

Just ask here: if we got a mod that able to change crests like roulette similar devil may cry, is that basically canonically accurate hornet?

[wide raft]

No. She has to focus to change, otherwise there'd really be no reason why she got stuck with the curse until cured. She could just overwhelm it on the spot. and she can't focus if she's not sitting down. always on alert

[blissful harbor]

i mean the curse is different from other crests
it’s an actual parasite inside her

[spark valve]

I’m not sure the curse is a good point but otherwise yeah

[blissful harbor]

how is that a no lmao did you do the quest

[lapis geode]

It's kinda different but Mediph got the point. She must focus to change.

[spark valve]

They’re just react spamming ignore it

[wide raft]

Not really, it has the same potential as any other crest. The issue is that it retained it's will

[lapis geode]

Still, it might be cool if we can change crests like roulette.

[spark valve]

The issue is hornet can’t change off that anyways under even the better conditions of benches

[blissful harbor]

if crests are supposed to be hornets soul…nature, whatever
what is the parasite even doing to her

why are you like this

[lapis geode]

Itching her as hell, she got stressed enough and change fighting style lmaoo

[wide raft]

Every other crest had no will attached to it, Or willingly gave itself up, the cursed one on the other hand needed to be subjugated.

It also goes against her character to a degree. Hornet is direct but plans ahead. She takes what's needed. But each crest is essentially a different 'soul' directing her movement. That's like saying she can swap souls at will which would unravel her literally and figuratively

[lapis geode]

Wait.. crests is soul?
I thought it's just like a shared thought instead something that has a will.

[spark valve]

I mean she binds them so yeah in some way they’re soul

[wide raft]

No not soul as in like. What the Ghost uses as magic. I mean soul as in, they're literally the souls of others being subsumed. Eva mentions this in act 3 once you have 7 crests.

[blissful harbor]

it’s related to her nature, it it seems to be the soul or something similar of the creature she binds it’s ambiguous what they’re actually are

[spark valve]

They’re still acquired through the medium of silk which is imbued with soul

[lapis geode]

Yeah, she binds them to get the essence of it. Not "reaping soul" and attaining their willpower.

Still, good insight from you.

[spark valve]

<@&283547423706447872> they’re fishing for a mute may as well oblige

[spark valve]

It’s both

[lapis geode]

Hmm...
Wait. Why blue?

Huhh???

[blissful harbor]

don’t encourage that

[foggy fractal]

mods do smth !

[lapis geode]

...SEEN?!!!

[fossil swift]

Can y'all not talk about weird shit
Jesus Christ

[lapis geode]

Nahhh..
Bring this savage beast away from me

[wide raft]

thank you best uma

[fossil swift]

Don't be weird

[wide raft]

that's literally all they've been so far.

No. No you're not. you're coming in here talking about some of the weirdest stuff that has nothing to do with the channel topic

[gleaming minnow]

would the choruses possibly be based off GMS

considering they share some attacks

[wide raft]

Did you know when you delete a message yourself the comment remains in discord admin logs?

[spark valve]

the fact that they both do a horizontal hand sweep is a pretty superficial similarity for big bosses

[novel eagle]

If we have grand mother silk
where is grand father song

[spark valve]

they also like don't share aspects of her appearane idk where that design would come in

[wide raft]

I'm just saying, don't try to be cute, they can literally see what you're stirring up.

[blissful harbor]

they share the halo thingy right? idk if silk actually has that but i swear ive seen it on her

[spark valve]

just ignore them

[spark valve]

hers is really different

[novel eagle]

grand father song where are youu

[blissful harbor]

hiding in the dlc

[novel eagle]

she has 3 attacks why is a pale being less intricate battle design than a fucking beastfly

[blissful harbor]

such a weird HB design to have a completely black face

[novel eagle]

fourth chorus is for those who draw spiders with 6 legs instead of 8 fr

[limpid summit]

why is fourth chorus so far down anyway

[wide raft]

It's likely that the chorus's were originally made as a sort of homage to her. But rereading some dialogue suggests that it was the three heads who actually put GMS to sleep. the chorus's may have been the medium to do so.

[spark valve]

who knows, could be there for industrial work

[whole hawk]

Another game; another set of blueballs

At least we might get the Steel DLC

[novel eagle]

city of steel is real

[novel eagle]

also like how the hell do they keep losing so many men

the last one was frail with age how did you lose 9 envoys

[spark valve]

wastes, dangers within the kingdoms, traps, etc

[wide raft]

All bugs in pharloom have various levels of silk throughout their body already, Maybe distance causes weakness over time.

[novel eagle]

Honestly I would love to see the outcome of the 2nd bad ending
Its just like arcane's

[wide raft]

If you've done mr mushrooms sidequest, you'd know up on the surface, the bugs actually have no silk whatsoever

[neon trout]

In terms of lore who are the top 5 strongest in the hollow knight series?

[novel eagle]

uhh

wyrms at no.1

[spark valve]

Lord of shades
4 other hbs probably pk, rad, wl, maybe gms

[novel eagle]

who is wl

[blissful harbor]

damn heart doesn’t even get a mention

[blissful harbor]

white lady

[spark valve]

heart is a bum and a loser

[novel eagle]

honorable mention : myla

[fossil swift]

White Lady I assume is wl

[wide raft]

Wyrms, Ghost, Pale King, White Queen, GMS, Hollow Knight (before infection), Hornet probably.

[novel eagle]

she can move?

[whole hawk]

By the way does steelsoul add anything in Act 3?

[blissful harbor]

she could

[spark valve]

not to my knowledge

[wide raft]

I haven't noticed much different honestly aside from making diamonds during the abyss climb

[novel eagle]

what is full name of heart?

[limpid summit]

GMS genuinely the weakest HB

[novel eagle]

nah fr she has 3 attacks in her boss fight thats it??

I was surprised to learn that she barely has anything in her bossfight

[limpid summit]

Maybe Unn cause she did a lot but it took a toll

But GMS is something else

[blissful harbor]

the nightmare heart

[novel eagle]

I wonder how Unn and Nuu are connected

[whole hawk]

Gotcha. If I had to guess, Sharpe and his buddies will probably show up in Act 3 thenwhen they get added as DLC.

[wide raft]

She's also freshly woken from a nap and has been steadily drained for god knows how long. And GMS is nerfed to make it possible to beat her while cursed.

[spark valve]

not

[wide raft]

Honestly if we get a Godholm style DLC true power GMS is gonna probably be terrifying

[fossil swift]

What about Lost Lace though ?
Unless her strength is solely derived from whatever's possessing her during that fight along with her own nihilistic thoughts

[novel eagle]

they are >:(

they have to be..

[limpid summit]

It what stupid what they did

[spark valve]

I mean she's strong but in a setting with a bunch of gods she's not gonna make the top of a list

[fossil swift]

Okay fair

[limpid summit]

Nuu looks and sounds like Unn but there’s nothing in what she does or how she acts that’s similar

[novel eagle]

In any case I do believe Wyrm is no.1

[limpid summit]

Could have been a completely different bug

[fossil swift]

What is Nuu supposed to be anyway

[novel eagle]

a snail

[spark valve]

los is stronger than pk, pk is a wyrm

[spark valve]

a kissing bug

[wide raft]

I'd say Lost Lace isn't reallly more powerful than normal, Just, Using what's available to her. GMS is definitely a terrifying force as she managed to resist being eaten by the void for quite some time even while fully dunked in it, While being caught off guard.

[novel eagle]

who is los-

[stone scroll]

Is grandmother silk, whatever her name is, is she a pale being like the pale king is?

[wide raft]

she's a higher being.

[novel eagle]

also pk's form at that time was not of a wyrm

[fossil swift]

Higher Being

[wide raft]

that doesn't necessarily mean a wyrm

[spark valve]

this is because 1: look at her
2: kissing bugs feed on blood, which nuu does, by biting (in nuu's case kissing) them

[stone scroll]

Ah I see, same way grim and unn are higher beings?

[fossil swift]

More or less yeah

You don't have to be Wyrms to be considered a higher being

[stone scroll]

But I know above higher beings are pale beings? Is that correct?

[spark valve]

not really

[limpid summit]

They’re a category of higher beings not above

[novel eagle]

All pale beings are higher beings but not all higher beings are pale.

[limpid summit]

TK >>>> GSM

[stone scroll]

Ok this makes sense thanks

[novel eagle]

GSM sucks she is a FRAUD

[wide raft]

Higher Beings can become 'gods' but Wyrms are above the rest. Wyrms can 'decend' to higher being status, but can't directly affect gods. to be a god is to be immaterial, and material and immaterial can't interact hence why they had to do the convoluted method to deal with the radience instead of just thanos snapping them. The result was the Vessel system which acts as a bridge between the two states.

[spark valve]

pale being is ill defined, mostly it's used just to describe things that are pale but a general pattern seems to also be soul based gods

[spark valve]

this is not a distinction higher beings = god

[novel eagle]

All the bugs are racist

[spark valve]

hk gods can be very material

[stone scroll]

[spark valve]

radiance wasn't hard to kill just because she was a god, it's because of the specific type of god she was not existing in the material world so he couldn't just like roll up with an army and stab her to death

[novel eagle]

That does make me ponder what exactly is a godseeker where did they come frmo

[fossil swift]

I do think it's interesting how Lace is, in a way, an indirect parallel to what a vessel is
Like in the sense that even though she's a being made of silk (?)
Her own mother finds her inferior to Hornet and Lace carries that with her
I'm probably wrong though and correct me if i am

It is especially pronounced in the second fight Hornet has with her too

[stone scroll]

Idk hornet called her a “pale child” so I was confused

[wide raft]

Lace is definitely similar to a vessel. More substancial for sure as she's made of Silk and Soul instead of Void and Soul

[fossil swift]

Yuh

[stray scaffold]

silk is referred to as pale several times I think

[fossil swift]

Wow I can't believe Silksong is making me invested in lore

[whole hawk]

Silk is just a form of spul, no?

[wide raft]

Well she's the daughter of a higher being, real or not.

[spark valve]

Actually this isn’t quite right

[fossil swift]

Oh ?

[stone scroll]

So I guess higher beings all have their own substances I guess 💀

[spark valve]

Lace sees herself as worthless due to her nature but grand mother silk doesn't seem to

[wide raft]

Not quite either

[fossil swift]

Oh I see

[stray scaffold]

if I were to take a guess, it's because people haven't nailed down exactly what the "true canon" is supposed to be

[fossil swift]

Ah so it's more of Lace's self-perception rather than how others actually perceive her

[wide raft]

Lace sees herself as 'inferior' to something like Hornet and wants to tear the whole system down. GMS wanted a child and created Lace, it's very possible that the whole reason they were hunting weavers of sufficient strength was to Pinnochio Lace and make her 'real'

[stray scaffold]

lace definitely has something like an inferiority comples

[novel eagle]

as much as she finds hornet to be superior
she loves lace more than anything in this world

[spark valve]

yeah, this is basically what she and lace talk about after the second fight, with hornet assuring her her life had value and hornet calling her gross for platitudes

[novel eagle]

it's just sad that lace doesn't realize that

only despising the mother for creating a husk

[fossil swift]

Feeling like you're less than adequate does something to you ig

[wide raft]

Also I don't think people realize Lace is literally a child in mind and body as she can't grow, further compounding that inferiority, She's been around pharloom longer than most bugs, and yet she's forever got the look and mindset of a brat.

[stray scaffold]

yeah, "child" gets used figuratively in these sorts of games sometimes but lace is literally a kid

[spark valve]

"Hah... aha ha ha ha ha![NPC]:Congratulations, spider. Finally, I felt your sting, and you've bared the truth of my pathetic empty shell.[Hornet]:You always had the scent, child. You are no bug. Yours is a life born entirely from thread.[NPC]:Life? You're too generous! This weak, wasting existence. This was not life, just a husk shaped to act as a child.[Hornet]:Yours was life, pale one. Do not confuse your unique creation with its absence. I have seen others make the same mistake.[NPC]:Platitudes, spider? From you? Don't be gross.[NPC]:Head on. Climb up, up and away. You've earned your audience with the divine.[NPC]:Face the holy mother who would fashion so cruel and crude a daughter as me"
The NPC here is Lace

[fossil swift]

It's likely that her nihilistic mindset that makes her way of thinking 'child-like'
Despite, and I'm only assuming here, not being one

[spark valve]

the caretaker says she's a child in body and mind

[fossil swift]

Ah I see

[spark valve]

You've slain a marvel indeed... Well, flawed marvel, at least. One to keep far from she was, least for us mortal sorts. Look of a child and a mind to match, but her's been up wanderin' this Citadel longer'n most. Even in its long silence, way 'fore you came and roused its ire

[novel eagle]

if lace only realized the mother truly did love her more than hornet

[cyan estuary]

Mm

[spark valve]

being stuck in a state of perpetual childhood also probably doesn't make lace feel better

[fossil swift]

Yeah

[wide raft]

Hornet was probably intended to be used as fuel to go full blue fairy on lace and make her a real girl(bug)

[stray scaffold]

oh that's interesting, she's old but just doesn't age

[novel eagle]

i really wanna see hornet's higher being form from alt bad ending (the one where her silk mind controls every being in pharloom)

[fossil swift]

I found the sister of the void ending to to be the most heartbreaking I think
Her mother was practically giving Hornet everything she had left to save her daughter

[spark valve]

I'm not sure it would make Lace 'real' in any sense other than making her lifespan perhaps indefinite, though that's something. Lace does often curse the fact that she's going to die eventually

[wide raft]

that's if you lose to GMS

[stray scaffold]

is that what the growing more limbs thing was about?

[spark valve]

'weak, wasting existence'

[stray scaffold]

when I first found out about lace lore I assumed she was more of a series of silk minions than one entity that lasted a long time

maybe with the same mind but different bodies

[spark valve]

literally unraveling

[stone scroll]

Can someone explain the base ending of the game? Like what happens to Hornet?

[stray scaffold]

which one?

[fossil swift]

If she is a being made of silk
Maybe she meant something along the lines of rotting away ?
Not sure if we can use real life implications of thread and Silk degradation

[dim inlet]

So, silksong canonizes Embrace The Void, right?

[spark valve]

Hornet's instincts kick over and as she binds the grand mother she takes her place

[dim inlet]

Considering that we see the shade lord

[wide raft]

if you bind GMS, Hornet truly becomes more weaver than wyrm

[spark valve]

we see a degrading silk being, lace's sister, phantom

[stray scaffold]

you'd think so but it's a complicated topic

[fossil swift]

Oh yeah

Literally forgot about that lol

[spark valve]

Though grey with age, their frayed form suggested a being strung from Silk, one who welcomed a decisive end in combat over a slow decline.

[stone scroll]

Kinda reminds me of the original hollow knight ending right, or no?
If I’m wrong just lmk

[novel eagle]

wonder how long since she'd been alive from

[spark valve]

I guess in some sense

[dim inlet]

Well we see the knight, and we see the knight as the shade lord so surely it canonizes embrace the void. Plus, I doubt they would even add the everbloom if it wasnt referencing the delicate flower in the ending of HK

[spark valve]

without a source of enough fresh silk this would probably be Lace's fate as well

[wide raft]

Eh, the original HK ending is just a return to the status quo. radiance is sealed in a perfect vessel but still exists.

[novel eagle]

Why did mother disregard phantom?

[wide raft]

prototype

[novel eagle]

Oh

[dim inlet]

original HK ending is not canon

[stray scaffold]

yeah, that's why you'd think so but there are some references that only make sense with dream no more iirc

[spark valve]

the intent of the ss ending is obviously to nod to both dnm and etv while not exclusively canonizing either, it's ambiguous

[fossil swift]

I think this probably means that
Lace might not physically age, but the integrity of her body can definitely degrade over time

[dim inlet]

The shade lord doesnt even exist without the Embrace The Void ending I thought?

[stone scroll]

I suppose, but with GMS gone what will hornet be doing, like I guess my question is kinda why did the ending happen way it happened and what becomes of hornet, sorry for the long question

[wide raft]

Personally I'm of the mind the Godhome ending is the only cannonical one with Mr Mushroom's flyby. Due to not seeing the Hollow Knight's shade in the void.

[stray scaffold]

that's my thought too; I agree with you on the EtV thing but I'm just saying there's some counterevidence

[wide raft]

Hornet will help Pharloom rebuild before moving on to a new land.

[novel eagle]

Unless she's supplied with silk

[spark valve]

hornet is hallucinating or having visions before she passes out and she flashes visions of the siblings, in a way more concordant with dnm, and then the vgfocus, which is more concordant with the other, then it cuts back to reality and neither is there. It's meant to be ambiguous

[stone scroll]

Ok, thanks for the answer

[dim inlet]

I guess the only way to know is if either a DLC clears it up or TC just says it. I feel like EtV is just a better ending overall though? The Radiance is dead, godseekers found their god, and The Knight/the void as a whole kinda become what theyre meant to be

[novel eagle]

dnm?
vgfocus?
concordant?

[runic musk]

Dream No More

[wide raft]

either way, gonna get some sleep. I got 7 more journal entries to go and then I'll have all achievements unlocked on my steel soul file.

[fossil swift]

I am honestly so curious about the ending where Hornet binds GMS
Essentially cocooning herself in Silk and transforming ?
Something about that cutscene was so cool

[novel eagle]

no she just dies
And so does everyone else

[spark valve]

yeah, she seems to be taking her plae

[stray scaffold]

also idk why I'm so bitter about this but the turnaround is so weird to me
like day 1 some of you ppl were absolutely livid about the endings and now you're like "oh yeah that always made sense to me"

[novel eagle]

in the alt ending she controls everyone
Becoming a higher being like silk mother

[dim inlet]

hornet becomes GMS basically

[novel eagle]

in the cursed ending same thing with first ending everyone dies

[stone scroll]

Idk I saw this when she was talking to lace, and this seems to imply a certain ending of hollow knight is more canon than others

[spark valve]

I mean it is what it is not liking it and not understanding it are different things

[dim inlet]

plus etv means Hollow Knight is alive and frankly i like him so i will go with ETV being the one i think is canon 🤓

W pose

[novel eagle]

I still hate GMS gameplay

final boss and her attacks are the simplest thing ever to come of this game

3 attacks only wow crazy

[bright oyster]

so are the weavers basically like, Bene Gesserit from Dune?

[stray scaffold]

maybe my brain just doesn't work the same way

[dim inlet]

GMS is like 50x easier than Lost Lace

which doesnt make sense because GMS should be like, insanely strong

[novel eagle]

yea

[spark valve]

gms is like a mid game boss

[novel eagle]

shes literally fourth chorus

[stray scaffold]

gms feels like budget radiance

[fossil swift]

Kinda

Her design is also.. interesting

[novel eagle]

I was really disappointed with GMS
like final boss and this is what we get?
Love her design looks amazing

[fossil swift]

Basically a very large spool of thread

[whole hawk]

So wait did GMS want Hornet to prolong Lace's life?

[wispy phoenix]

Does hornet transform into a weaver in ed1?

[dim inlet]

yea

[fossil swift]

Yeah

[stone scroll]

Didn’t the devs say they were adding dlc, maybe they will go crazy with a new final boss

[spark valve]

that seems to be the implication given that she's collecting a ton of silk, needs a ton of silk to sustain Lace, and cares a whole awful lot about her

[wispy phoenix]

Is it caused by gms' silk? What causes the transformation

[novel eagle]

yeah but the base game final boss sucks..

[stray scaffold]

oh speaking of fourth chorus, what's up with all the numbered names in ss?
first sinner, second sentinel, twelfth architect

[novel eagle]

i dont get why they dropped the ball on her so hard

[stone scroll]

Oh yeah base game, could’ve been better I agree

[spark valve]

well some of those are robots so that's just the xth robot of that model

[novel eagle]

maybe someone else knows cause i just though tthose were their names

[muted zinc]

What's the max amount of notches you can have on your silk meter thing

[spark valve]

first sinner is called that because she sinned first

[novel eagle]

i highly doubt that

[runic musk]

As in spool upgrades? 9 more.

[stone scroll]

A person who thinks all the time, has nothing to think about except thought itself

[runic musk]

Basically a heal worth.

[fossil swift]

Wait why is the first sinner called that
Don't remember why

[novel eagle]

the first to go against silk mother, realizing her lies (maybe)

[spark valve]

first one to sin against grand mother silk, in her case it was apostasy

[stray scaffold]

that makes some sense, it's just that they occur in more than one context I feel like

[muted zinc]

What's the staring amount again ?

[fossil swift]

Ah I see

5

[novel eagle]

perhaps couldve been expanded on but wasnt

[stray scaffold]

so it feels like there's a thematic/vibes based reason

[fossil swift]

Also for gameplay help, you should head to #sk-help

[runic musk]

9 if 9 upgrades is enough to let you heal again

Dunno where 5 came from thats not even enough to heal

[placid garden]

Wait so does the concept of Hornet being the "Child of Three Queens" apply or what?

[muted zinc]

Gotcha thanks

[spark valve]

it was canonized yes

[fossil swift]

Wait I thought they meant amount of masks, I misread

[placid garden]

Good timeline then

[stone scroll]

I Know two of the queens who’s the third

[runic musk]

Yea masks is starting 5 max 10

[fossil swift]

We get a cutscene of her being raised by all 3

Hera, Vespa, and White Lady

[stone scroll]

Ok thanks

[muted zinc]

My bad clicked the wrong channel

[placid garden]

That's a W in my book

[fossil swift]

I liked that they showed us Hornet in a different outfit with the White Lady

White dress to match that of the pale court

That cutscene was honestly bittersweet

[placid garden]

She is a pale gift after all

[runic musk]

I wish it was a skin...

[fossil swift]

Someone might make it into one probably

[foggy fractal]

pale court the hollow knight mod ?!

[spark valve]

custom hornet mods will be more annoying to make but I'm sure people will do it

[placid garden]

I'm really glad we saw the White Lady. She's really pretty.

[fossil swift]

She iss

And it's nice to see that the White Lady does care for Hornet

It was mentioned before but it's nice seeing it here

[placid garden]

I like that we get to see this previously proclaimed affection

[novel eagle]

the biggest surprise was still vespas inclusion

[fossil swift]

Yupp

I'm really happy that we get to see snippets of Hornet's childhood

BUT ALSO
Baby Hornet

[spark valve]

baby hornet was funny

[placid garden]

It's amazing how compelling Hornet's backstory turned out to be because of this

[ashen salmon]

yall already beat the game

[dim inlet]

that shit was emotional

[ashen salmon]

that’s crazy

[dim inlet]

dude it came out a week ago lmao, be concerned for the people who beat it on release day

[placid garden]

Ha, that's cute

[fossil swift]

I think Hera's face/mask being slightly blurry was pretty sad
Still, it's nice to see that Hornet still remembers her mother's voice

[dim inlet]

well the mask was there after hera became a dreamer

[ashen salmon]

bro i’ve got over 300h on the og game and im not even halfway through silksong

[placid garden]

Kinda makes killing her in Hollow Knight hit harder

[foggy fractal]

people are already doing 1 hour ish speedruns

[dim inlet]

how

[ashen salmon]

are we dead ahh

[foggy fractal]

yes

[fossil swift]

There's an achievement for beating the game fast

It's crazy

[dim inlet]

yea

[placid garden]

Speedrunners are surprisingly very scary

[dim inlet]

there was in HK too

[foggy fractal]

several people here have 100% I bet