sk-lore

[wide raft]

The nerd wearing the bell in bellhome

singy mcnevershutsup

[uncut holly]

Oh, thats really dark. Cultural phenomena started and was seen as good luck when it was just killing them.

[wide raft]

yep. it's assumed everyone who did it continued safely on the pilgrimidge, not know it led to their death. IN fact, if you don't break out of the roots immediately, you can see all the other bugs embedded in the wall with you

Honestly hornet's Wyrm blood is probably 'the' worst possible thing for it to consume because now it's something with essentially divine power able to grow rampant and unchecked without limit now

[pulsar fern]

is okay, you can just get tortured and the parasite comes out

[uncut holly]

Its weird that its whole ritual requires making a baby and bringing it to itself. I assume after eatting Grand Mother Silk its probably even worse for Pharloom, the entire Citadel gets rooted

[pulsar fern]

man... Hornet is gonna need therapy after this game

[wide raft]

It doesn't come out, you just weaken it to the point you can subsume it.

[uncut holly]

Wonder if that means Greyroot is dead? The original Greyroot becomes solid dead root after the infection

Greyroot is kinda what White Lady would be like if they decided to be antagonistic

[wide raft]

okay so far in steel soul I've given 5 silkeaters to Skykx (who replaces the nerd who grows them) and so far each has only rewarded between 100 and 150 rosaries. not bad, but nothing to write home about so far

[oak talon]

So is it Essentially confirmed now that ||the old Kingdom of hallownest / the void Kingdom was|| ||the snail Sharmans bcuz of the Things that Go down in Act 3?||

At least thats what i Put together so far

[wide raft]

No no no

Snail Shamans worship the concept. But even they know "Yeah actually fucking with void is bad news"

Also: lookie who I found in Steel soul.

[runic musk]

Where's that?

[oak talon]

Oooh, you're a Goat Gamer

[runic musk]

I just rushed towards an ending so I didnt see anything out of place besides Styx being crushed

[wide raft]

Did you push a little past styx to find the silkeater eater?

[runic musk]

Yea

Pretty hard not to the guys very loud

[oak talon]

I was also suprised over the existence of ||void tendrills|| in ||the abyss||
Since there was No ||mold imprint Like in HK, Just something Out of silk That gives you the Journal entry||

[wide raft]

Here's where I found Zi

[runic musk]

Blasted Steps?

[wide raft]

The tendrils are a normal manifestation, they whip out on proximity, The ones we see topside are just latching onto the already existing silk strands

[oak talon]

Im pretty Sure in Base(d) hollowknight in an area above the Lake of void you See a mold for void tendrills

Which also gives you the Journal entry

[wide raft]

I think you're confusing that with the kingmolds, which were an early attempt at giving void form. Trying to shove those tendrils 'into' things

[oak talon]

Nono, i know the Kingsmolds in White palace

But there is a Secret room to the right of the Lake of void past some Plattforming

[wide raft]

Yeah but they aren't like. something created. the tendrils themselves I mean.

They're what the void chooses to reflect those near it as, something aggressive and hurtful. I think Silksong also has Hornet's perspective on it when you find the journal on them

[whole hawk]

So how many differences does Steelsoul have now? Handful of new rooms, new minor quest new enemy? No one has reached Act 3 yet in that mode, right?

[wide raft]

I could go into act 3 but I'm holding off until I know I have everything topside

[oak talon]

Hmm
I'll Look at the Journal again when i get Home.

But for now duck those face eaters down there

[wide raft]

Zi gave me a wish so I'm checking it out now

[runic musk]

Assumably an ending but I dont believe anyone's got it yet based off what was taken from files.

[wide raft]

okay so finishing the steel soul wish is 'very' interesting. I'll leave it to folks to find out, but make sure you do it before act 3 for good impact!

first steel soul wish* not sure if there's more yet im still learndeding

oh neato

reward is kind of amazing for architect users

[open dragon]

Steel Soul has exclusive quests?

[wide raft]

yep

[runic musk]

to go with, heres the Needolin dialogue.

[crisp sonnet]

Who is that?

[oak talon]

Steel Soul exclusive npc

[crisp sonnet]

No like who in the lore

[wide raft]

Steel soul lore

[crisp sonnet]

Do we know

[wide raft]

Steel soul is quite literally it's own thing

[uncut holly]

(Thee Lore)
Pharloom is a mountain, at the peak of the mountain is a small village. One day Grand Mother Silk arrived and ascended all of the local bugs into Weavers which are bugs that can weave silk in the Hollowknight world, silk can be used to make spells, songs, and seals and is basically magic. Silk can also tap into memories to fast learn things at the cost of that memory being destroyed or the person it belonged to being destroyed. From that small town a Citadel was built at the peak of the mountain to give praise and worship for the Grand Mother Silk that had made the Weavers, they however did not know they where forcefully ascended from normal bugs. Grand Mother Silk sent out a call in the mind of various Pilgrims to make the trek to the Citadel in promise of paradise. There where several civilizations already present in Pharloom. The Stick Bugs who where probably the first, and where started by Nyleth (who might be a Higher Being, might not be), they made the land green and habitable for all of the other groups. The Crabs who likely came from a far away land, and set up a Warlord Outpost, likely similar to Genghis Kahn and other similar Asian Empires who had vasal warlords that watched over territory for a much bigger emperor. The Green Dancers which had a small nice society but where very skilled. The Flies who seemingly liked to steal things and eat corpses. The Ants who had a proud civilization based around music and combat. And the Swamp People, who had relations with soul and the Snail Shamans. There was a long lineage of Snail Shamans in Pharloom, who eventually went into hiding, however they had relations with the Swamp People. The Citadel had killed all of these civilizations except for the Flies who they worked with, and the Swamp People by the time the game starts.
(Here on out is speculation by me)

[crisp sonnet]

Literally just a creature, nothing special? No story?

[oak talon]

Whats your opinion of Steel Soul Bilewater?

[wide raft]

Steel soul is it's own lore seperate from the main games, it's a story in parallel that we glimpse into. They're essentially void hunters. Simple as that.

[uncut holly]

Steel Soul Jinn and this new Steel person probably come from the City of Iron that was mentioned in the prisons

[runic musk]

okay this is annoying 2 of the spots are in areas i need double jump for

[crisp sonnet]

Future Zoteboat location

[wide raft]

Shit's bad yo. Blasted steps was more annoying. But bilewater was cursed. My worry is the first climb out of the ||abyss|| not really able to do practice runs of that

[runic musk]

i guess ill continue the wish when i rest

[oak talon]

You got this

Bilewater is absolutel doodoo tho

[open dragon]

So Steel Soul is its own timeline?

[wide raft]

it's why I'm so focused on doing as much as possible in act 2 before going into steel soul act 3

to force my body to lock in as much as possible before the climb

[open dragon]

Cuz remember, Death is permanent

[oak talon]

I absolutely despise the Fish maggots that Grab you, do 2 masks of damage and throw you Into the maggot water

[whole hawk]

The City of what now? Where in the Slab was that mentioned?

[open dragon]

They're like the mario fish enemies from nes mario but worse lol

[oak talon]

I think Steel Soul jinn talked about it

Me thinks to remember

[wide raft]

it's also mentioned in one of the cages in the cradle

[oak talon]

My biggest mistake was taking witch crest down there

[wide raft]

I didn't activte witch until right before fighting GMS, because I wanted to knock out three achievements at once

[uncut holly]

In the Slab it is said that some Weavers fled to the City of Iron but they where hunted down there. There is also a mysterious "Masters" that Seer Zi, and I think Steel Soul Jinn mentions

[wide raft]

I was greedy. Too greedy. almost cost my run as not having healing and skipping double jump made me almost die lol. Her room aoe is near impossible to dodge without perfect timing with only a single jump

was on one mask left when I got the killing blow. I could have made diamonds with my sphincter during it

[oak talon]

I did it without Double Jump the First time i Beat the Game.
You just Gotta glide

[oak talon]

Happens XD

[uncut holly]

Im realizing that Steel Seer is actually a sword. Theres some weird stuff going on with the City of Iron, maybe Sharpe shows us that their actually all Void. But they seem to not be bugs

[wide raft]

Only works if the pattern gives you something you can glide through. If they're low, you're fucked

[oak talon]

You can Stall by Just mashing and Holding.

To close and re-open the glider

[wide raft]

that's kinda cheezy though

[runic musk]

room aoe?

[uncut holly]

Whatever Higher Being runs the City of Iron must suck

[oak talon]

I mean, all is fair Game XD
Im Just using the Tools the Game gives me

[viscid ridge]

Ok so i realised you can nock off the mask makers mask, same as in the first game. After that Hornet mentions that the Maker has "the Sight", and the Mask Maker then starts to predict Hornet's future. Could this be refering to the same forsight that the Pale king had?

[crisp sonnet]

Wdym suck

[viscid ridge]

Is this in steel soul only? Or in act 3? And also who is that

[tawdry flare]

City of Steel, and it was mentioned in the Cradle

[runic musk]

i find myself very rarely hit by the room aoe because its very generous in the safe spots and you're giving gliding for a reason

[wide raft]

the sight is something any native soul user can use. They aren't higher beings, but they can naturally use soul, which is why they make faces for people

[crisp sonnet]

Like to fight or as a ruler or what

[runic musk]

Steel Soul only

i only posted the Needolin dialogue if its relevant to any future discussion.

[viscid ridge]

Thankd

Do we meet Steel soul Sharpe in SS mode?

[runic musk]

not that i have seen, no.

[viscid ridge]

I wonder if he is still in the game

[uncut holly]

So from the sounds of it by Seer Zi, the City of Iron is a civilization that has successfully Weaponized Void completely. They also have the "Masters" of this society who seem to keep things under a strict totalitarian watch. In Silksong Steel Zi is in Pharloon to pursue what is essentially a servant bug (Unwilling Slave Bug) who has "Touched the Dark" AKA learned how to do stuff with Void, and therefore must be hunted and killed to the end of the earth.

The City of Iron is probably a huge robot void city

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i really hope we get to see it

[uncut holly]

We practically know from Seer Zi that the steel bugs are void. Also Steel Assasin Sharpes nose is void

[timber cove]

What's the ideal tool build for ||Shaman Crest? I want to try out the spell spam chaos||

[viscid ridge]

I bet that one person who kept saying the steel people aren't void is kicking the wall rn

[whole hawk]

Hollow Knight: Steeldance, Lace is the MC and has a vendetta against void after it took her mother away from her. Release 2032.

[viscid ridge]

Nah i want to see quirrel visit the City of Iron

[uncut holly]

Lace does move in a unique way for them to be a protag, but Lace is also crazy. They killed their mother for paying attention to someone else even though they where doing that just to maintain them.

But Quirrels dead?

[whole hawk]

Lace could also have heavy parryslop gameplay.

[viscid ridge]

Dont remind me 🥲

[uncut holly]

I am sorry

[viscid ridge]

Is Silksong considered reverse parryslop?

[pale escarp]

Who'd win, Hornet binded with Grand Mother Silk or Shade/Shade Lord

[midnight vault]

Its obvious isnt it? Zote will be the third protagonist

[viscid ridge]

Stalemate

[viscid ridge]

Im still waiting on Zoteboat

[midnight vault]

Unless they got a delicate flower theyre cooked lol

[uncut holly]

Void in the City of Iron must be super common for a garden variety bug like the Servant to learn about Void and know how to summon a Void entity. For some reason though they think it will free them or save them? Maybe as a guardian to them? Itll probably just kill them though

[oak talon]

So far the void Hasnt lost a Battle

[pale escarp]

She could probably dig into her own memories with the monarch's power she obtained to get the flower

[midnight vault]

it took the lives of the snail shaman to pull that one out

[whole hawk]

Void never loses it just gets held back

[viscid ridge]

This is just a joke, but Void vs the simple lightbulb

[uncut holly]

City of Iron rule seems to be so absolute that Steel Seer Zi does not even consider the idea of there being hope from going against the words of the Masters, but considers the thought of not doing what their masters asked interesting and that its something they never thought of before

[midnight vault]

Void vs birb

[oak talon]

Fellas

Is this Game and void Just an alligory for death and how we Humans fear it and try to Control it?

[midnight vault]

ngl if the bird is a reference for the size of things then the pale king wyrm was like the size of a python lol

[uncut holly]

If there where to be an allegory it probably wouldve been in Hollow Knight, but also I dont think its really and allegory

[viscid ridge]

I dont think so, but it can be interpreted that way

[midnight vault]

Zoteboat where they bring back the coral region and steel faction

[oak talon]

I mean Philosophy can Interpret anything Into anywhat.

As i Like to say
"Philosophy is looking at a puddle and Imagining Its an ocean"

[tawdry flare]

Seems to be about hubris and trying to preserve the wrong things idk I don’t read

[whole hawk]

City of Iron and Pharloom sound like total shitholes. No wonder Hallownest got powercrept, only Pale King gets it.

[modern hollow]

pharloom has that whole anti worker bench thing going on

[rigid vale]

Pharloom hostile architecture theory

[oak talon]

The entirety of hallownest isnt wheelchair accesible.
Corrupt politicians Keep lining their pockets.
Just Look at how many sawblades the pale King ordered.
How many Elevators / ramps could that have been?

[mint dagger]

is this even a question. shade lord lmfao

[uneven socket]

guys i just realised in slab escape sequence hornet is black fully, so hornet is definitely void

[oak talon]

No, Hornet unlike the other children of the pale King was never disgarded Into the void.

[chilly galleon]

Ive noticed that not all bugs in Pharloom have masks. Does this change everything we know about mask lore from hk?

[uneven socket]

they do wear masks, just not traditional

[pale escarp]

There's an NPC in Mount Fay that spends all his time making masks for everyone
||He has extra dialogue if you charge attack his mask off||

[tulip egret]

Last Judge Dies

[uneven socket]

BRO SPOILERS PLESAE?

[chilly galleon]

What about the guards in the Slab?

[chilly galleon]

Theres no spoiler tags in these channels irc

[tulip egret]

This is lore. You're expected to be spoiled.

[wide raft]

Also the mask maker thing has been there since HK 1

[tulip egret]

Where did Hollow Knight go from Hk?

[wide raft]

beat the game.

[tulip egret]

Dont spoil me even tho im in yk lore

[wide raft]

they're obviously at home now sipping nectar

[pale escarp]

Hollow knight is dead, youre talking about The Knight im guessing

[wide raft]

retired, armless, moisturized and in his lane

No no, the Hollow Knight themselves is very much alive

[tulip egret]

Honestly it'd be cool if they made him into a ending

[wide raft]

They did.

[tulip egret]

Where both parties fight

No both him and hornet figt tgther

[wide raft]

that... wouldn't make sense.

[tulip egret]

We encountered him in Hk

Surely that'd be nice addition

[wide raft]

yeah and based on the ending of silksong we know which ending from HK is cannon. which means. Hollow Knight is alive, but unable to fight considering they're down a limb and probably severely weakened from holding the infection at bay for so long

They are retired. End of story

[tulip egret]

damn the end of the hk series?

[wide raft]

No. Do you even read?

we just said the Hollow Knight themselves is retired.

[tulip egret]

Yeah but they both retired

[wide raft]

The ghost. Our PC from the first game showed up and did their job better.

[tulip egret]

I wonder whoose gonna be in hk3 tho

[wide raft]

Hornet could very well have another game, or the next protag could be someone from silksong

[pale escarp]

We'll have an idea after a few SS dlc expansions

Godhome Pantheon on steroids

[whole hawk]

Still surprised they held back Sharpe though considering he's a backer boss

[wide raft]

He was a backer boss in the first game

[runic musk]

its possible they're saving them for later or something happened

[wide raft]

no gurantee they'd become a character in the second

[tawdry flare]

I seriously doubt there will be another Hollow Knight

[terse warren]

They literally pushed him back to this game

He has to be here

[whole hawk]

They must have thought of something crazy and in standard Team Cherry fashion couldnt hold.themselves back from ballooning it into something that couldnt fit Act 3

[tulip egret]

I think it wouldnt be both hornet and the knight

[terse warren]

Why? Team Cherry seems to enjoy making these games

[tawdry flare]

Silksong takes place after two endings, not just ETV

[wide raft]

The ending of silksong Literally says to look forward to another.

[tawdry flare]

They probably want to move onto a new IP

[terse warren]

As evidenced by??

[wide raft]

And no, silksong is very specifically only after godholm ending.

[terse warren]

No, it'd either DnM or EtV

[wide raft]

have you beaten act 3?

[tawdry flare]

It flashes between DNM Siblings and JUST Shade Lord to indicate that it could be after either ending

[terse warren]

They literally wanted to make dlc for this game before it came out I highly doubt they're tired of this IP

[tawdry flare]

I said so

[terse warren]

If I hadn't I wouldn't be here

[tulip egret]

hear me out guys, the dlc for hk was silksong, which clesrly means that they were planning for another hk game but since silksong wouldnt fit in hk they changed it

[pale escarp]

Imagine if HK's kickstarter didnt get that playable Hornet milestone, Silksong wouldn't even exist

[wide raft]

No. Because the shade lord happens IN the Godhome ending. The shade is just what Hornet sees because Ghost doesn't wanna spook her. Because they're still related through their father. The thing is. Seeing all the siblings in the background, but no Hollow Knight one. Which helped during the standard radiance ending. Means they're alive. Which means 'only' the godhome ending took place

[tawdry flare]

Cope all you want, both endings are canon 🥱

[wide raft]

there was a huge discussion the other day breaking down the details between everyone. Say "cope" all you want. It's one timeline, it doesn't branch. This is just you not having an argument so you're trying to ragebait. It's poor showing on your part

[tulip egret]

Both endings theoritically are cannon but they cant literally be in the same timeline

[terse warren]

Or maybe she just didn't see the THK shade

It's also possible that the siblings/shade lord aren't actually there, considering how we only see them from Hornet's POV after some flashing light, it's possible Hornet is just seeing things, be it hallucinations or mystic visions, especially since she's literally about to pass out

The only thing that is for sure actually there is TK

The siblings and shade lord probably aren't

It's pretty clear that TC showed both all the Siblings and Shade Lord in flashes of light to allude at both endings being possible

[wide raft]

The only supporting argument for the godholm ending to not be cannon would be if we also saw the Hollow Knight, but considering we saw him walking out of the black egg to see Hornet (you can tell by their cracked pure nail) after that ending. And we didn't see their shade during the reveal at the end of silksong. It's easy to guess they're alive. DLC may expand soon, but until that. all evidence points to a single cannon ending and that's godhome

[tawdry flare]

There doesn’t need to be a branch what

[nimble walrus]

Zote game still on the table

[wide raft]

Because if you're going to show all the siblings and NOT the HK, then why bother showing everything.

[terse warren]

Why show all the siblings at all if it's only shade lord?

[gleaming minnow]

this doesn't make sense because (functionally) thk's shade wouldn't be any different

[terse warren]

It's meant to be ambiguous which of the two endings it is

[gleaming minnow]

thk is probably in the big wall of shades

the reason why we only see the knight/ghost/lord of shades is because they're the one hornet knows the closest

[wide raft]

We've SEEN THK's shade. It's huge, what are you talking about?!

[gleaming minnow]

i worded that horridly

[tawdry flare]

Do you know who hasn’t? HORNET!!!

[wide raft]

Hornet literally never met any of the other siblings

[gleaming minnow]

yes but i think the shades are all still her siblings

[wide raft]

She was raised for a time 'with' the hollow knight. So if anything, he should have been the first to see

[gleaming minnow]

hornet seeing thk first wouldn't make sense though

[tawdry flare]

This feels like a completely arbitrary point

[wide raft]

It would make perfect sense. they were literally raised as brother and sister for a time and served for some time as the pale kings knights. She's known him much longer than the Ghost,.

[tawdry flare]

Erm it would be sibling and sister

And also no they were not

[terse warren]

Except we don't actually know how much time they spent together at all

[slate moon]

easy boss tbh idk why it took me 10 tries 🥀

[wide raft]

Still more than the Ghost regardless of argument

[terse warren]

For all we know they might've just met once

[gleaming minnow]

'who would she see first thk or the ghost that she fought twice, fought alongside with to defeat thk, the one who finally killed her mother etc.'

[slate moon]

feat. my very quiet voice for some reason

[terse warren]

Yeah I feel like one of the two had a big of a bigger impact on her life

[tawdry flare]

the one she saw worthy, the one she helped on their journey, etc

[gleaming minnow]

the doylist explanation is 'they showed The Knight because it's meant to be a callback for people who played hollow knight 1'

[terse warren]

Can't wait till we get a new Jokerpsa that says both DnM and EtV are possible

[gleaming minnow]

also we know thk and hornet weren't raised together because 3 queens was proven true

why would PK risk THK developing feelings by sending them to the white lady

[tawdry flare]

that would be fire

[slate moon]

he literally does this anyways

[tawdry flare]

Well I mean as we all know PK is Stupid

[wide raft]

THK is still a much more familiar person to Hornet regardless of "Ghost having more of an impact" Because end of the day, they still served the pale king for a time and were half siblings, she was there when they got sealed. Because part of her existance was dependant on making said seal, And they weren't sealed until she'd grown some otherwise Herrah would have been sleeping already.

[slate moon]

thats the whole reason the game exists, did you do path of pain ???

[wide raft]

And sayuing "well the Ghost is a callback to people who played the first one" SO'S THK!

[gleaming minnow]

'it's much more familiar so that makes more sense than ghost having more impact' i think you need to consider like

[terse warren]

Except one of the two you spend the whole game with

[tawdry flare]

I fail to see why THK would need to be there

[gleaming minnow]

ghost is specifically the one who showed up because HORNET HELPED GHOST DEFEAT THK AND FREE THE VESSELS

[wide raft]

And one of the two you're constantly striving to be better than in order to take their place/beat the thing cursing them

[terse warren]

The most important thing about people Is the impact they leave on us so I don't think you can just brush that aside

[slate moon]

familiar in the sense that she knows it exists, pretty sure thats about it

[wide raft]

Not in the godholm ending. Which is why at the end Hornet seems shocked to see THK out of the black egg

[terse warren]

You don't even see them until the end

[tawdry flare]

DNM is a more satisfying conclusion to the story while ETV is a much more wild one so why not just allow Silksong to take place after both like the ending implies

[wide raft]

sure you do. flashbacks, and doing PoP

[terse warren]

She'd be shocked to see them no matter what lmao

[formal geyser]

I do wonde rif butteflies that guide us are either lace or Eva ?

[slate moon]

the knight, at the start of their journey, is already better than the hollow knight for their intended purpose

[wide raft]

Because the ending implies a single ending and I genuinely don't see why you're adamant on on it being two other than your argument is incorrect and you can't stand losing?

[terse warren]

Except it clearly implies both DnM and EtV

[tawdry flare]

This sounds like projection dude 😭

[wide raft]

Not really because in a way they already have a will. The issue is, that will is focused on a direction rather than just wanting to live.

the point of a proper vessel was to have them 'empty' the pale king fucked up

[formal geyser]

I also wonder what killed bugs in the Citadel

[gleaming minnow]

well no i'd argue the knight is perfectly suited for being the new hollow knight

[slate moon]

the knight has no will of its own, its just mindlessly doing its job 🥀

[gleaming minnow]

because their 'will' is to contain the radiance

[tawdry flare]

TK is NOT HOLLOW!! WE ARE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN!!!!!

[terse warren]

Lace is likely

Also just Silk

[terse warren]

It's still a will, so something Rad can infect

[slate moon]

no mind to think, no voice to cry mercy

[gleaming minnow]

i didn't say they were hollow

[formal geyser]

Silk just rezzes them why would silk grand kill them

[terse warren]

It rezzes them the same way a necromancer would

[wide raft]

The Ghost was equally bad, as it had a will. The issue is, it was confronted with it's origin and embraced it (because we love powerups) instead of shunning it. Which is why it was chosen to represent the void instead of simply being a vessel

[tawdry flare]

All of the vessels have a mind and a will

[formal geyser]

Yea i think they were exprimenting on her in some way for silk but she broke contaiment and killed everyone i think ?

[slate moon]

they literally dont thats the whole purpose did you do the abyss ascent 😭

[tawdry flare]

There Is No Hollow Knight

[terse warren]

Have you beaten the game

[wide raft]

literally every vessel was a failure. Even ours is a failure, it just approached from a different angle, and the best ending? it still fails at the original goal of sealing the radience. Because instead it eats it.

[slate moon]

hollow knight

looks inside
"there is no hollow knight!"

[gleaming minnow]

hollow knight silksong
looks inside
the appearance of The Hollow Knight is contentious at best

[terse warren]

Killing it is a better outcome than sealing it, it's just pk didn't know they could do that

[wide raft]

Because they thought they knew better.

[slate moon]

its goal is to stop the radiance, hence why there are multiple endings

[tawdry flare]

Can we get a Hollowness expert in here to explain this I’m too tired

[wide raft]

remember. the Ghost had a flash game as a sort of prequel to hollow knight. It had grown it's own reasoning and direction without input from the pale king

[gleaming minnow]

hollow knight
looks inside
full of radiance

[wide raft]

It literally had a different perspective than what was raised for the others. So yeah, of course it tired something different

[terse warren]

Hungry Knight is NOT canon I can't believe I have to say this 😭

[slate moon]

hungry knight mentions in lore talk we have truly hit rock bottom

[formal geyser]

yes

[gleaming minnow]

if we start digging we can reach the abyss

[terse warren]

Have you beaten act 3

[gleaming minnow]

get a shovel

[wide raft]

also unrelated: I have now tried all three of the silkshot versions.

[slate moon]

we're already here

[wide raft]

OG is the superior.

[gleaming minnow]

with the way SS is structured the only canon ending is sister of the void right

[slate moon]

still havent found a use for the architect's key im going to keep searching 🤑

[foggy zenith]

Posting Sherma's song lyrics here in case someone wants

Pi Na So Mi Ma Ni Se Da Na Fun Su Low Ba Fa Ri Do La Si Ma Net Do Ni Pwana Voo Ri Net

🎶 🎶 🎶

[tawdry flare]

Maybe I DONT KNOW ANYMORE

[formal geyser]

Yes and Lace memory can be seen in one of the labs thiking about her mom creator or eva there was a person locked ina pod

[gleaming minnow]

near the architect's room there's a door lmao

[slate moon]

wait what

[gleaming minnow]

like up and to the left

[wide raft]

Literally a door up and to the left.

[terse warren]

I assume it's another "all endings are canon" moment

[gleaming minnow]

you literally just

[slate moon]

me when im stupid 😨

[terse warren]

No she took over the Kingdom and started turning everyone into puppets after she got betrayed by Weavers so that she wouldn't be betrayed again

[gleaming minnow]

u think dlc is gonna be free again or is it going to be $5 a pop

[terse warren]

Might be free

[gleaming minnow]

tbf the only two HK dlc i'd pay for r like
Grimm Troupe and Godhome icl

[wide raft]

https://gyazo.com/d79eb9bc2ee5ff2bb0eff4e4a2bcf6b6 weaver silkshot the best.

[gleaming minnow]

lifeblood and hidden dreams aren't really dlc but rather just post-release patches

the content in them feels more 'oh yeah this was probably unfinished on game launch or smth'

[formal geyser]

how did they betray her ?

[slate moon]

any mentions of rune rage being buffed? its super situational and kinda badd against anything that isnt standing still with a big hitbox

[terse warren]

They ran away from Pharloom

[wide raft]

Because from the moment they understood the weakness of their flesh it disgusted them, so they chose to take her silk for themselves to give themselves immortal bodies, the silk bound their soul to their new perfect metal shells clearly /s

[formal geyser]

makes sense whos "butterflies" we see us guiding throught eh game ?

[wide raft]

They're silkmoths.

[gleaming minnow]

i wonder what the complete edition of SS will be called..
We have Hollow Knight: Voidheart surely they wont call it Silkheart right

[terse warren]

Honestly I think they're just bugs, not really guided by anyone

[slate moon]

like... the item?

[scenic granite]

is there only one ending in act 3?

[gleaming minnow]

yes

[tawdry flare]

Hollow Knight: Silksoul (because Silk Soul will be DLC haha right Team Cherry)

[formal geyser]

we see them at the start freeing us then we see them again in the start flying upwards tehn we see them few time through the game and then most clearly in the mist there is something going on with silk moths im just gonna assume lace or somethig

[tawdry flare]

Wait why didn’t Hornet run back to Hallownest and grab one of Ze’mer’s limitless supply of Everblooms

[gleaming minnow]

they should add a postgame after true ending where we can leave and walk endlessly for 100 hours to get back to hallownest

[slate moon]

also do we know what's up with the trees? why are trees so freaky in hk

[formal geyser]

Dlc will have to kick up the grandmother silk a few notches to make her a proper threat in a boss fight

[wide raft]

Because even in Hallownest the white lady says the everblooms pale in comparison to the original.

[slate moon]

i think its balanced around the fact that the cursed ending exists currently

[tawdry flare]

Okay but if you have 500 and one of them can one-shot the Shade Lord I’m sure you could take out a lake of void with them

[terse warren]

They might just be attracted by our Silk and that's why they free Hornet

[formal geyser]

makes sense

[terse warren]

I mean. Hornet gets one from her Memories. I assume that's also not gonna be the best

[wide raft]

It's full power, but fleeting.

[sleek lily]

I checked to whole map and I'm missing this part, does anyone know how to get to the bottom part?

[wide raft]

drink venomed fleabrew while wearing the anklets

[terse warren]

Real answer is because Hallownest is probably damn far and it'd have taken a lot of time to find those, something she didn't really have

[formal geyser]

they would lose potency on the way there have you SEEN the outside surface lol, its way "easier" to just summon one

[formal geyser]

use sprint pin you got from it and run through it again

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I went there. My hands don’t like me

[tawdry flare]

I did this like eight times and it never worked lmao

[sleek lily]

Nice! Is there only a relic there?

[slate moon]

hornet mentions grandmother silk as a figure that she wont feel at ease unless she defeats or something

[formal geyser]

dont remember whats there probs a relic

[slate moon]

she doesnt want to leave

[terse warren]

Yeah only a harp

[terse warren]

GMS is actively resisting the Void in hope to save Lace

[formal geyser]

its few things 1 she will be chased down again 2 flower will wilt on the way they are very fragile 3 she dosnt wanna live kingdom because she feels duty bound

[slate moon]

yeah well i kicked lace's ass twice so skill issue grandma try better next time 😼

[terse warren]

Hornet doesn't want to leave because she knows how quickly the Void could destroy it and sees that her memories are the only viable option

[slate moon]

keep in mind hornet will mention that she wont feel at ease unless she kills whatever lies at the top of the citadel in act 1

so like.

[terse warren]

We're talking about Act 3

Everblooms are only important to act 3

[pale escarp]

Did you try taking the yellow soup drugs to make yourself faster

[tawdry flare]

No that’s a good idea

[gleaming minnow]

reminder that Hallownest as well is probably
weeks, months or even years of travelling away

[blissful canyon]

I just realized silksong is non canon if you go with the sealed siblings ending in HK

[wide raft]

honestly.

[gleaming minnow]

question though
what was up with the white butterfly at the beginning?

[wide raft]

I kind of wish we could get the snare setter back in act 3

[pale escarp]

Technically Silksong isnt canon if you die in the first 10 minutes of Hollow Knight

[formal geyser]

we dont know probs eiter lace eva or someone else would be my bet as they do guide through few in game secitions

[slate moon]

does hornet require sustinence? logic would point to no but she CAN ingest things

[wide raft]

She says she doesn't really need to eat or sleep, but it brings her comfort.

[blissful canyon]

got me there ig

[formal geyser]

I want to see a dlc where Radiance and Silk mother Mix into a horror abomination

[slate moon]

but like why would she even have those functions if they serve no purpose thats not evolutionarily viable

[blissful canyon]

for anyone who has played the full game already, is there anything related to the radiance? like did it get fully contained?

[pale escarp]

Nope

[slate moon]

naur

[wide raft]

Because she's half Weaver, Half Wyrm, the Wyrmblood gives her the ability to live without, the weaver side enjoys what they evolved to do.

[blissful canyon]

so its got no connections to HK at all?

[formal geyser]

It does in a big way

[pale escarp]

Outside of Hornet's existence and true ending, no

[oak talon]

Just bcuz the radiance isnt there doesnt mean the worlds arent connected

[blissful canyon]

is it a major spoiler? or like a small spoiler

I rly wanna know rn

[slate moon]

is gourmand needed for act 3 or is it optional

i forgor

[terse warren]

Major spoiler

[formal geyser]

Major Spoiler ahead to end of act 3 ||you hunt down the ever bloom and at some point Hk helps up to rescue you from the abyss||

[slate moon]

hornet is from hollow knight so it does have connections

[wide raft]

THE ||GHOST|| IS NOT THE ||HK||

[slate moon]

silly goose

[formal geyser]

I KNOW ITS HARD GETTING USED TO

[forest ivy]

the first pilgrim we meet.. what is their name?

[wide raft]

THIS IS THE HK

[neat prism]

actually that's the pure vessel sir

[pale escarp]

Ackshually thats Pure Vessel

[wide raft]

THIS IS THE GHOST

[neat prism]

doesn't even know boss names smh

[formal geyser]

knight also works well

[forest ivy]

is that hornet? is she ok?

[wide raft]

THIS IS THE GHOST

[pale escarp]

You mean The Knight

[slate moon]

objection! thats hearsay!

[tawdry flare]

No, that’s Ghost/Little Ghost/The Knight/The Vessel/Thou Cringer/Smallest of the Small

[wide raft]

THEY'RE THE SAME.

[sleek lily]

You're blue now

[forest ivy]

Smallest of the small

[slate moon]

no THK isnt a pure vessel silly goose

[formal geyser]

I shot you up this one Hollow knight also works as a name as it is thematic and purpose of a title of play on that fact that you can call multiple character hk

[pale escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-da-ba-dee-eiffel65-gif-14330492

[tawdry flare]

How did you OD on plasmium

[sleek lily]

Get 9 blue mask shards

[tawdry flare]

There’s blue mask shards????

[slate moon]

95 hours in silksong and i still cant use tools correctly 💔

[wide raft]

No, just steroids.

[sleek lily]

No

I meant 9 blue masks

No shards, sry

[formal geyser]

dont worry mutiple hk streamers heal at the worst time and never use tools lol

[pale escarp]

6 from tool, the others from blue breakable thingies that drop blue flies you kill to get more blue masks

[slate moon]

i take permanent psychic damage when people dont double jump to heal

[formal geyser]

Same

[tawdry flare]

the contrast between plasmium in Silksong and lifeblood in Hollow Knight is kind of crazy

[formal geyser]

or dont heal when they have the chance but instead wait to be 1 mask away lol

[slate moon]

... there are differences?

[midnight vault]

Got through silksong only tool I used was the stabby stab and wanderers

[pale escarp]

Pretty sure theyre the same

[tawdry flare]

No, I mean the way they’re presented

[slate moon]

is it weird that I use the crest of the witch

i like having thorns

[pale escarp]

What about Shaman, is that one not good

[midnight vault]

To our knowledge now lifeblood has always acted like this its just the infection had a higher presence

[tawdry flare]

Shaman is awesome

[pale escarp]

I used Shaman for that flea juggle minigame

[slate moon]

the stone of the shaman in silksong when 💔

[somber storm]

it's pretty strong with the shield charm and trobbio's mirrors

[tawdry flare]

Voltvyrm drop

[slate moon]

shaman stone silksong is real?

[pale escarp]

That's probably what the purple electric charm thing is

I'm bad with the names lol

[slate moon]

i hope trobbio gets run over by a car

[tawdry flare]

If you use Pale Knives, Cross-Stitch, and Rune Rage with Shaman you can feel like Pure Vessel

[slate moon]

the only issue i take with crest of the witch is

no utility slots

but i have the attachment slot from eva so who cares

[sleek lily]

how do you get the right part?

[runic musk]

I like the needle strike for Witch shares same property as Cyclone though where spamming the attack button extends it a bit.

[pale escarp]

I didnt test this but do all the crests do the same damage needle wise?

[slate moon]

for the last time we are not ascending 💔

also what i didnt know that

does it give reduced gravity too?

[gusty raptor]

one question, if I get the witch crest before getting into the abyss can I play normally the game?

[slate moon]

pretty sure they do at 0 upgrades, idk about how upgrades affect it tho

[runic musk]

I didnt try enough to see if the gravity is also reduced a bit, just wanted to see if it shared similar properties to Cyclone.

[slate moon]

ic

[slate moon]

like curse lifted or

ig thats not really relevant, pretty sure the game goes on as usual

[gusty raptor]

yup, I've read somewhere that people cannot go to the abyss if they get the crest before it

[slate moon]

why would that be the case

[gusty raptor]

I don't know, but i wouldn't like to miss an entire act for a crest

[formal geyser]

scratch taht DONT GET WITCH CREST LMAO

where are you anyway

[gusty raptor]

i have finished all the game except act 3

[static cradle]

Is ||grand mother silk|| ( act 2 final boss ) a pale being like PK or WL

[runic musk]

I would purge the curse I dont see any reason to why you'd be penalized for doing so that just sounds dumb.

Even then if something does break saves have built in rollback saves this time

[formal geyser]

dont get it and just ignore it you can ge it after you beat the game via loading a save

[gusty raptor]

ooh, that's true, i forgot about that

[gusty raptor]

i might to this

[neat prism]

maybe this is a bug but i did the whole curse quest during act 2 and everything proceeded perfectly fine.

[gusty raptor]

i think i'll continue the game until the beginning of act 3 and then get the crest

[formal geyser]

you dont even need a to copy it after the end the game will load you to right before the last boss

[runic musk]

If you're really paranoid I would probably just rollback the save and move on but eh

[formal geyser]

So you are before act 3 ?

[gusty raptor]

i haven't arrived yet, but i can

[formal geyser]

if you are before act 3 you can get it whatever beat they boss with curse then load back the save it gives you and then get rid of it you can also make a copy of a save if you feel like it

[gusty raptor]

I'll try, thx!

[elfin atlas]

3 queens is canon im genuinely in shock and awe this game is so good

[formal geyser]

Its so peak

[pale escarp]

What's this about not being able to do act 3 if you get witch crest? I got it and did act 3 just fine fyi

[oak talon]

I have the witch crest and i went to Act 3 Just fine

[pale escarp]

Its only if youre cursed and haven't removed the parasite that it'll lock you to the cursed ending

Until you remove the parasite through a fun and not at all disturbing method

[runic musk]

Oh yea I forgot that the parasite just immediately takes control you dont get a say if you fight GMS with it lo

[finite rapids]

who is the third one? is it gms?

[runic musk]

Is it not Herra, Vespa and White Lady?

[wide raft]

Welp

time to fight GMS again and start act 3

let's see what changes in SS mode

[runic musk]

I lost mine because I botched the save thing lo

[finite rapids]

vepsa was cut content though? did they say something about it in silksong?

[runic musk]

Yea, sequence in act 3.

[wide raft]

Save thing?

[runic musk]

Save scum. Just want achievement and to see what's in it.

I ain't gonna brag shit bout it

Get in and get out basically.

[formal geyser]

they added it back in the game for act 3

and its peak

[wide raft]

oh, yeah if your game broke because of save scumming that's on you lol

[runic musk]

Oh it didnt break

I just didnt realize I replaced my files with the Defeated ones because I am very stupid with files sometimes

[formal geyser]

Saw i think lobos do it then complain about issues lmao

[runic musk]

Its completely on me not the game lol

[formal geyser]

always make a copy of a file you want to change in other free folder

[finite rapids]

i haven't gotten to act 3 yet since i have no idea how to get there, doing all wishes just sounds a bit lazy to me

[wide raft]

i've just been rawdoggin Steel soul.

and you basically need all wishes and 60% game completion to make the quest pop up

[formal geyser]

its not all wishes but most of them most important part is getting almost all the fleas you can miss like 2

[runic musk]

Once I seen everything in Steel Soul and get the 100% achievement thing for it I'm not touching it again

[wide raft]

wishes and fleas give the most % at a time yeah

[formal geyser]

you dont need all wishes and dont need all deliveries, you can ignore delvieries but you do need to get a home and build up all the towns

[formal geyser]

i think you just need 60%

and the fleas of course

[wide raft]

god. there's only one thing im genuinely worried about in steel soul

and that's the abyss escape.

[runic musk]

I dont remember it being particularly hard

[wide raft]

no real way to practice though

[oak talon]

You can do it

You did everything Else so far, Harder Plattforming Challenges, Combat Encounters and Exploration.
You can do this too

[wide raft]

honestly platforming and fighting aren't that hard because you can take your time with them

it's the time crunch while doing percision platforming that's gonna suck

[runic musk]

I think it wasnt too hard for me because I was basically trained from playing Ori lmao

[oak talon]

PoP XD

[pale escarp]

Path of Pain is harder tbh

Harder than SS, I dunno about ori

[oak talon]

Ori is great

[wide raft]

anyway. officially in act 3 now on Steel Soul. Time to gird my loins. PoP isn't harder because again, you can take your time. Honestly I redid PoP after my first clear (of silksong) and it felt so easy comparatively. what with shade cloak giving iframes and suchj

[formal geyser]

nah path of pain you got tight clear way to go in SS sometimes you need to have faith in fac that there is a ledge

[runic musk]

Mostly meant about the time crunch with platforming lol

[somber storm]

i trained from that one mask shard in far fields

that was brutal

[runic musk]

Oh yea that escape sequence surprised me

[pale escarp]

Harpoon, double jump, dash for extra distance, all these tools make it easier than HK imo

[tame comet]

Ya that was the most painful experience I’ve had. I at least wanted a tool for that

[runic musk]

I'd thought there just be 1 escape sequence

[wide raft]

a little annoyed that you can't have full masks going into act 3 as one is locked behind a act 3 wish though aaaa

[pale escarp]

Even that one area above The Cradle i had little trouble with

[runic musk]

Ss on average usually has harder platforming than HK but I dont believe anything in Ss exceeds Path of Pain quite yet

[pale escarp]

And can't u just save and quit if you know ur gonna die in steel soul for the escape sequence

[runic musk]

That + save scum if you fuck that up and on PC

Can consoles mess with saves more easily yet?

[tame comet]

Is there a reward for steel soul?

[runic musk]

Background for main menu

[pale escarp]

Achievements

[tame comet]

Ah

[oak talon]

Bragging rights

[runic musk]

(I prefer Surface tbh)

[pale escarp]

Oh thats cool

[tame comet]

Thank god I don’t have friends

Lace finna kill the steel soul grind for me if I ever get that far

[pale escarp]

Just dont get hit, ez

[formal geyser]

people that beat steel soul are build diffrent

[runic musk]

For this game yea

.1% still on Steam

Wonder if it'll ever go above 1 at all.

[tame comet]

Ya hollow knight was way easier to complete

[pale escarp]

Maybe, they might just use mods and cheat to get it

[tame comet]

Legit I doubt

[runic musk]

A week before Silksong launched I actually completed a Steel Soul run in HK without menu/save scumming on the first go lol

[oak talon]

Cant wait for Silksong godmaster dlc

[vivid kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-1317513878955975206

[solar agate]

I will come with proof you can bind Eva in ACT 2

Just give me 2 sec to record

[oak talon]

You can find Eva as as soon as you have the needolin
(Act 1)
And you need to find her in Act 2 If you want to Go to Act 3

[jolly bronze]

Are Widow and First Sinner the same person?

[solar agate]

I'm in ACT 2

[oak talon]

No?
One is Roaming around in Bellhardt and the other is sealed in the Slab

Both are weaver, but Not the Same Person

[wide raft]

Okay.

time to lock in. I'm about to pop the lid on Steel Soul Abyss climb. wish me luck

[oak talon]

You can do it :)

[jolly bronze]

Well I ask because First Sinner uses the Widow boss music theme reused and when you die in the first sinner boss fight you don't actually die - it's almost as if it's a dream or a projection of some sort.

[oak talon]

I Just interpretted it as a Combat Trial.

He doesnt want to kill you.
He Just wants to Test your skill

[jolly bronze]

Also they share voice lines I think? Either they do or they're extremely similar.

[wide raft]

Cheeks, CLENCHED

Was easier than expected because I completely lucked out with a superjump positioning

[oak talon]

Harder!

God i hate the face eaters in the abyss

[wide raft]

right after you get out of the spot with the breakable roof, If you superjump on the lip on the left side you have enough silk to soar past a lot of the mechanics and still have enough to do the final leap (pending you have maxed silk going in)

[formal geyser]

First sinner is a prisoner that tests you and you consume his essence for a power boost like you do with some characters, Widow has his weaver mask form removed and is stuffed in a unfitting form that losses connnection the moment you defeat it

[high bane]

Widow is interesting lore-wise, because they're the only Weaver still walking around in Pharloom and they're clearly loyal to Silk, even after the explicitly horrible binding they've suffered.

[somber storm]

still not clear to me what happened between weavers and mother

[lavish needle]

Same I don’t think I understood much about the story

[somber storm]

i know first sinner is imprisoned for apostacy, so she turned her back on Silk

why though

[jolly bronze]

Wouldn't is be reasonable to presume that Widows Weaver Mask that was removed, First Sinners Mask? It clearly broken and would explain why Widow looks the way they do - on top of the already existing similarities in attacks, voice lines, and the reusing of Widows Boss Theme in First Sinners fight. I feel it could be explained sort of in a similar vein as how in HK that we got to fight TKH in an earlier more prime form as the Pure Vessel.

[lavish needle]

What does the mask even do 😭

[sleek lily]

The surface doesn't have a map, right?

[somber storm]

no

[high bane]

They're only the first sinner- the Weavers are all Sinners in Silk's eyes. That's why they're all dead. Silk was imprisoned by the Weavers for a long time from what I've been able to observe- maybe it had something to do with all the music in Pharloom keeping her asleep?- but at some point all the silk they were weaving into the bugs of Pharloom gave Mother Silk too much power, and she overthrew them.

[somber storm]

where was it said weavers imprisoned her

[sleek lily]

I'm missing one relic, does anyone know where this one is or what it talks about?

[white panther]

Do we have any idea of what the "sin" of the First Sinner was?

[high bane]

I'm not sure, it was definitely a lore block somewhere.
But it makes sense if you look at how the Weavers are compared to Silk. Hornet's notes on the Surgeon's entry says that the Citadel's use of silk "unknowingly granted many minds to the monarch".

So it seems like the Weavers were never on Silk's side, and they must have done something to draw her ire enough for her to hunt down not just them but every single person who could possibly be related to them.
The exception to this is Widow, who is called a "Fanatic" by her defeat achievement.

[ember musk]

do you think the snail shamans were the civilization that worshipped the void?

and also why were the weavers in the abyss?

[high bane]

The Weavers seem to have been in the Abyss for the same reason the Pale King was- they're both scientists, and the Abyss is a Big Thing they want to study.

[ember musk]

thats fair

[edgy oriole]

Making tacos i think

[white panther]

weavers are very academic in many senses so its not unreasonable for them to have a station there

[edgy oriole]

is there any info in the journal entry?

[ember musk]

would it be far fetched to say she is trans? i unironically think this

[high bane]

Are there any male Weavers, on that note?

[ember musk]

on the room detailing the crimes and absolutions of some people they detained the first sinners crime was "something long forgotten" or something like that

[high bane]

Widow and the First Sinner are both referred to in the feminine by Hornet's notes.

[ember musk]

i dont know but i dont see why there wouldnt be?

unless theyre androgenous

no thats not the word i meant like

they could have both male and female organs

[somber storm]

it says on her cell, "guilty of the sin of apostacy"

and from the visions it seems she realized something about the mother and turned her back on her

[high bane]

Apostasy is renouncing a religious belief

[ember musk]

i dont think thats her, the first sinners absolution was "never" i think and she was bound pretty well

[white panther]

hmmm

[tired latch]

what is this guy

[ember musk]

ill go there right now and check actually hold on guys

[white panther]

oh no....

[high bane]

"First of the First". Might've been one of if not the oldest Weavers to exist.

[ember musk]

this has to be hers

[ember musk]

ooh wait

wait i may be slow lmao

[tired latch]

i forgot ||broodmother|| existed lol

[ember musk]

this is actually something weird

i dont think theyre just pulling this out of their asses for convenience

but it didnt make sense to me

and also the fact the shamans disappear after, are they void?

or some relation to the void

[high bane]

The Shamans are almost certainly not Void, especially since they use Soul-based magic.
But they study it.

[modest coyote]

no shamans have an anti-cocaine addiction

basically they sniffed too much magic powder and turned voidesque

[ember musk]

so the spell just required them to disappear or something?

[high bane]

Soul is just life energy, they used all of theirs up.

[ember musk]

makes sense

[craggy smelt]

[drowsy mortar]

Someone just pointed out even more fucked up stuff about Citadel

[ember musk]

what

[drowsy mortar]

The end of the pilgrim’s road deliberately leads to Underworks

[modest coyote]

wait

are sure sure its deliberate?

[lavish needle]

What does the shamans want ?

[drowsy mortar]

They are sending pilgrims to go work in the coal mines till they die wtf

[drowsy mortar]

Yes that elevator is only designed to go down

There’s no upward shaft

[somber storm]

the whole pilgrimage thing is just to get more maintenance staff lol

[high bane]

Maintenance and test subjects.

[drowsy mortar]

I mean it kinda makes sense, to even make the pilgrimage you are forbidden weapons

[modest coyote]

cocaine

[modest coyote]

WHAT omg ur right

[drowsy mortar]

You just risk your life getting there and work until you die or you adapt to the Silk and join the Choir

Or don’t adapt to the Silk and become a Dreg husk

[high bane]

It's all a scam.

[drowsy mortar]

Pretty much

[opaque spade]

Ah yes, the children yearn for the mines.

[drowsy mortar]

We truly judged PK too harshly

[high bane]

At least he had free benches.

[drowsy mortar]

At least his society wasn’t as classist as this one

[lavish needle]

Nah but honestly what does the shamans want ? Why are they happy they destroyed the kingdom 😭

[high bane]

They want to see the Void do things.

[modest coyote]

cocaine (magcic) addictions

[drowsy mortar]

The Shamans actually want equality or at least that’s the vibe I get from Caretaker

[craggy smelt]

they wanted the monarch of Pharloom and the Citadel brought down
they succeeded

[modest coyote]

a guy addicted to crack will sell how own foot

the shamas have a magic adiction

[somber storm]

the hidden recipe they have suggests they're pretty evil

[drowsy mortar]

He seems to think powerful bugs overlook the common people just because they’re powerful

[somber storm]

the one that involves torturing live bugs

[drowsy mortar]

Until Hornet proves she cares by taking the time to grant the people’s wishes

[craggy smelt]

like a genie

[drowsy mortar]

The snare I believe was only intended to kill SM and free Pharloom

Instead it angered the Void which was not the intent

[lavish needle]

Who’s the widow ? And the first sinner ? And why mother silk is so bad ? Too many questions with no answers 🤓

[somber storm]

it failed because of lace, GMS kept fighting the void because lace was trapped with her

[drowsy mortar]

Widow is a Weaver who was ex-communicated by the Weavers and had her silk bound within her shell

[sharp plank]

Let's be honest, the Pale King was doing amazing until a fellow god threw an absolute temper tantrum over him basically doing a better job to the point said god's followers decided to follow him instead of them

[drowsy mortar]

First Sinner was the first Weaver and the first Weaver to turn away from the SM

[drowsy mortar]

He was doing alright, technically the Moths screwed the pooch with Rad by abandoning her for him

[high bane]

Did the first Weaver turn away from Silk any more than the other Weavers did? Because they did something to make her hate them, and she's not referred to in any of their writings as something divine.

She's "a source of silk" first.

[drowsy mortar]

Mother Silk has abdonment issues that’s why she’s evil

[solar agate]

Anyone has any ideas how to get the ending in which we become the new mother silk?

[drowsy mortar]

Her creations abandoned her so she made a fake daughter but still wants more children

[drowsy mortar]

Bind SM

[sharp plank]

Yeah, and in hindsight, I can't blame them. PK offered them free will and even status as gravekeepers and spiritualists. The Radiance offered... servitude? Mind hive? I can't blame them for ditching.

[solar agate]

That's the default ending, I mean the one where we become the one that controls the bugs

[drowsy mortar]

Don’t trigger Soul Snare and don’t be cursed

[drowsy mortar]

That first part is incorrect

The moths always had free will

[modest coyote]

i would vote for PK a third time

[high mortar]

so ||is lifeblood actually EVIL or is plasmium just it's weird cousin??? at first i just thought it had a different name because different people who discovered the same thing gave it different names, but now i'm not sure||

[modest coyote]

PK did nothing wrong imo

[modest coyote]

i thought theyre the same thing and its fine for it to be evil everything is

there is no force of magic which people cant get addicted to in this universe

[drowsy mortar]

I’m sorry there’s more lifeblood zombies

[lavish needle]

Why they abandoned her ?

[high mortar]

well yea they're literally the first thing you see when you enter the wormways in act 3 lol

[queen patrol]

pk did many things wrong, but he was at least not motivated by a selfish motive

[drowsy mortar]

She lied to them and basically helped create the Citadel’s warped view of the Weavers being Gods

[high bane]

I think the Weavers might have just been awful. We saw the Citadel, and they made that place what it is.

[drowsy mortar]

This is incorrect

[high mortar]

hallownest's currency somehow is stable even after the fall of the entire kingdom
that has to count for something (pharloom sure can't say that)

[drowsy mortar]

The Citadel bugs do not actually know anything about the Weavers

They only know what silk is

[high bane]

The Architect and the Vault Keeper both serve Hornet only for her being a descendent of the Weavers, though.

[queen patrol]

economy can't hyperinflate if nobody is left to destabilize it 👍

[drowsy mortar]

Correct, they worship the Weavers as Gods

[high bane]

Even if the common people didn't know about the Weavers, they were definitely in charge in some capacity.

[high mortar]

no but pharloom is fucking ridiculous they genuinely have anti homeless benches

[somber storm]

they used to know, there's texts in pharloom of bugs praising weavers

[drowsy mortar]

But they don’t actually know anything about the Weavers

[queen patrol]

oh yeah pharloom sucks big time

[sharp plank]

The Seamstress knows about them and she's more 'common'

[drowsy mortar]

Yes they worship them as Gods

[lavish needle]

So basically she wanted her and her child’s to be seen as God but they didn’t want so they abandonne her,then she became crazy right ? So why we are fighting widow and first sinner if we are in the « same team »

[queen patrol]

the hostile architecture is unreal

[drowsy mortar]

Being Worshipped as Gods was the lie

[high bane]

Widow is working for Silk, the First Sinner is just testing us.

[drowsy mortar]

They don’t actually know anything beyond their use of silk

[drowsy mortar]

Correct on the first part

[lavish needle]

Oh so she’s still with her

[trim vapor]

why does seth lose his memory

[lavish needle]

Thanks all of you I understand more of the lore now

[somber storm]

though all the texts on weaver graves say they now care for the local bugs, "no longer food" and etc, maybe that was after they abandoned GMS

[drowsy mortar]

Widow resisted the Weaver Rebellion she fights for the SM

[craggy smelt]

oh hey, he does live
where do you find him afterwards, somewhere in Greymoor?

[drowsy mortar]

First Sinner is just testing Hornet to see if she’s worthy of binding her

[trim vapor]

yea hes just resting at a rock in greymoor, saying he is newly born and has set out to explore the world, he lost his memory which i dont know why

[lavish needle]

I just started act 3 I hope there is much more lore telling in it

[high bane]

It's why she's a "fanatic" while the First Sinner is an "apostate"; Widow was loyal to Silk while the First Sinner and presumably the rest of the Weavers left her.

[drowsy mortar]

Oh you have no idea

[lavish needle]

I needed to stop bcs of work and stopped right before going to the abyss…

[craggy smelt]

seems like he was bound to be the guardian of Nyleth's shrine, and with the power taken from it he was released
guess he forgot he was ever bound

[somber storm]

greymoor, then shellwood and finally fleatopia where he goes and beats all your minigame records

[drowsy mortar]

There’s a Birthplace equivalent for one

[high bane]

He reminds me a lot of Quirrel in that way.

[drowsy mortar]

So have fun with that

[craggy smelt]

yeah, or Brumm/Nymm

[craggy smelt]

eh, he's welcome to them - hated that stuff

[drowsy mortar]

In regards to lifeblood, do we just assume the reason it doesn’t affect the Knight is for similar reasons it doesn’t affect Hornet?

[lavish needle]

Oh wait I forgot someone

[craggy smelt]

could also be that they're void deep down

[lavish needle]

Who’s really phantom ? Except of being so badass

[high bane]

They're both Higher Beings in some part, and either resistant or immune is what I assumed.

[craggy smelt]

prototype Lace

[high bane]

Phantom is called a "being strung from silk" and was slowly dying due to lack of maintenance.

[lavish needle]

So that’s why we saw them talking ? (I forgot what they were saying lol)

[craggy smelt]

did we? I must have missed that part

I just remember form their journal descriptions

[lavish needle]

You need to use the music before the phantom fight a you can see them talking

[high bane]

Isn't that just the normal thought text for using the Needolin?

[exotic trellis]

Free of whatever was keeping him there as the guardian, I think. It's also sort of a symbolic rebirth for Seth Goldman. He's gone from here, but he exists forever in Pharloom. It's very sweet

[lavish needle]

Or maybe that’s not him

[tropic current]

In regards to lifeblood, has anyone found anything more in the game with it? Any lifeblood core-like area? I've found that 9 lifeblood masks turns your health into lifeblood which regenerates, I've killed the apprentice, and the alchemist looks like he's on his last legs. I wonder if that's the end of it.

[craggy smelt]

oh cool, yeah, that looks like Lace

aigh, french though, been so long...

[high bane]

It's the Phantom in the box, with Lace outside of it.

[lavish needle]

Oui oui baguette

[craggy smelt]

something about breaking

[gray iris]

it is so sad solaire of astora threw his children into the abyss

[lavish needle]

Yeah but I don’t remember the other sentences. I’ll go back to it later it’s in bile water

[gray iris]

my favorite part of hollow knight 1 is when you make it to the end of path of pain and you get go confront solaire

[craggy smelt]

Silk seemed obsessed with creating children with silk
first the Weavers, who eventually turned against her
Phantom as a kind of prototype
finally Lace

[gray iris]

it seems that in hollow knight 2 every character is stuck ina goofy vs pluto situation

if u drop rosary you are goofy but if u drop only shell then u are pluto

[lavish needle]

I don’t get why lace helped us to trap SM

[high bane]

Spite, she hates her mom.

[craggy smelt]

yeah

[lavish needle]

Oh I though she was warning us from her (first fight) and protecting her in the second fight

[high bane]

For all that Silk wants children, she is always dissatisfied with them.

[craggy smelt]

though she seemed to go to great lengths to safeguard Lace

[high bane]

I'm fairly sure Lace fights Hornet just for her own enjoyment.

[craggy smelt]

At first Lace seems to resent Hornet as a kind of replacement daughter (from Lace's perspective, at least)
that's seemingly why she broke Hornet loose in the first place, to keep her from being brought to the Citadel

[sharp plank]

I need to just say I adore Pharloom as a setting. We're had so many post-apocalyptic, near-apocalyptic, destroyed, desolate, etc. type settings that its insanely refreshing to have a world and society that's both functioning and isn't completely punked at the end.

[trim vapor]

who is seth goldman and why is he related to hk? ive looked him up and he seems like a random business man

[craggy smelt]

it was a 'make a wish situation'
Seth was terminally ill and was given the character Seth by TC as part of its fulfillment
sadly he passed away a few years ago

[trim vapor]

oh okay, thanks for letting me know

[white panther]

(Spoiler for act 3 VERY end game)
its kinda cool that after getting || Everbloom we can actually swim on Void and its all good ||

[fiery storm]

Those areas are for npc and queastlines available only on steel soul mode

[drowsy mortar]

Only because of Everbloom’s light

WL explains what we already know about pale light sources like that being able to tame the void like the lighthouse in HK

[scenic stirrup]

Aint no way

Green prince spoiler ||doomed yaoi in my funny bug game?||

Aint no way

[edgy barn]

These vibes🥸

[scenic stirrup]

This is the wokest game of all time

[somber storm]

these fellas are just having a chat

[regal turret]

3 higher beings just vibing

So, is the knight defeating absolute radiance the official ending, including giving the fella the flower? It seems so to me

[vivid kernel]

Ok probably asking for a spoiler here but gonna do it anyway

Does the game ever imply or explain what the Last Judge is or what his role in Pharloom is/was?

[dense chasm]

probably border control or smth

[craggy smelt]

I think it's ambiguous whether its ending 3 or 4
even with ||Void Given Focus appearing||

that might just, like, be evoking what they could become

[tulip bluff]

so silksong is a sequel or a prequel?

[craggy smelt]

sequel

[dense chasm]

sequel

[lavish needle]

Stupid question but what element of the game make you say that

[open dragon]

Im assuming this guy is referring to Karmelita, their old queen

[craggy smelt]

super secret final ending

[open dragon]

Also poor ant, he looks really tired and injured

[distant briar]

I think he was a royal guard

[lavish needle]

After act 3 or it’s another ending

[craggy smelt]

the end of Act 3
||the Knight shows up in their Lord of Shades state, has to happen after the events of the first game||

[open dragon]

I've encountered other grey and red striped ants, im guessing they are docile

except one but im not gonna say it cuz spoilers lol

[lavish needle]

Thanks for the spoil banner I won’t read it and discover it by myself. At least I know I’m on the right path

[dense chasm]

so if the cannon ending is embrace the void, what happen to beetween hollow knight and Hornet?

[craggy smelt]

that guy was dead when I found him, dang

[open dragon]

Yeah i was sad when i returned back to him to buy the remaining items

[distant briar]

Karmelita has to be the best boss in the game tbh

[lapis geode]

Not gonna lie, the reason we gather here is either want to understand
the lore or hangout...

By the way, is Weaver supposed to be able to grant wishes?
I just go for NG+ and hearing Druid Moss saying: "You are like Weaver, right? The one that grant wishes?"

And Hornet just goes confuse

[open dragon]

Oh absolutely, possibly top 10 hollow knight bosses overall

[craggy smelt]

Hornet is a weaver (by blood sort of) and she's going around granting everyone's wishes (the quests)

[lapis geode]

glad my only spoiler is her name.
Is she graceful?

[lavish needle]

I know but I can thank him for putting a spoil banner so I can discover it by myself ?

[lapis geode]

Oooohhh..
So Weaver function is literally grant wishes?
NEAT

[distant briar]

Her music and the fight are topnotch

[lapis geode]

Better than || Cogwork Dancer?||

[lavish needle]

Oh there is ng+ ?

[distant briar]

yes imo

[lapis geode]

Yeahhh..
The one life run

[distant briar]

best in the game for me

[craggy smelt]

no, that's not it
'wish' in this sense is just the requests that people have
Hornet is fulfilling their requests
she's not a genie

[lavish needle]

Bile water gonna kill me mutiple times I know it

[craggy smelt]

I will never do steelsoul for this game

which is sad, because I wanted to see the steelbugs

[distant briar]

Im just waiting for someone to get act 3 in steelsoul to tell me there is a whole area locked off for steelsoul

[craggy smelt]

I do kind of want to see if Styx gets replaced with someone else

[distant briar]

there is a boss only for steelsoul in act 2 already

[open dragon]

I like that Hornet insists all the things she does is just her duty, and saying she's not kind or i dont want your thanks, but like, the things and requests you're fulfulling are kindness lmao

[earnest sparrow]

I have a working theory that || he Haunting was used to prevent Void corruption ||

[open dragon]

Hell back at Bonebottom, when talking to Flick, she said "so this is kindness?" Like yes?????

[lavish needle]

I’ll do it for you (I’ll spam weapon)

[craggy smelt]

godspeed

[solar agate]

Can anyone tell me in which rooms pre and post Widow you can find broken Harp looking world objects? I think we can use Needolin on them for more lore

[steel glade]

omg they literally warned u why would u even click on it BEFORE act 3??

[stark thicket]

there is act 3?, how i can get it?

[lapis geode]

I only know that you have to complete all the wall wishes. Especially at the ||Songclave||
Then there's some item to gather that I still don't know where to get it.

[stark thicket]

okay thanks

[lavish needle]

I started act 3 and I didn’t click on it lol. I just wanted to know if there is much more lore telling at the end of it

[steel glade]

oh well you couldve just searched it up but thats fine, im pretty sure you'll forget about it

[lavish needle]

I have a small memory I’ll forget it 🤓

[steel glade]

me too

[solar agate]

Anyone?

[ornate carbon]

So whats with the mist

[formal geyser]

this seems common in people that play this game i had seen a streamer jump into a starting hole like 5 times to checks whats there

[real crater]

Did hornet become a pale being after binding gmother silk?

[ornate carbon]

She was already a pale being

Since her dad is the pale king

[lapis geode]

dem I'm search for that too

[real crater]

I meant like the pale king a proper one instead of a half one

[formal geyser]

shes like half pale being gmoder silk ending just buffs her

[real crater]

Imma just try get true ending now bye

[lapis geode]

Ooohh... Like in proper power and divinity?
Then yes she is.

[rapid pulsar]

do you happen to have an alternate link for these? getting 404 on the original link

[real crater]

Cool weaver queen is a cool title as well

[formal geyser]

i mean it is a bad ending since she wants to save everone and go home

[lapis geode]

I kinda already spoiled about her divinity but since I know HK it's not THAT surprising.
But I'll try to grasp till Act III first before knowing more. SS is too deep even for me.

[real crater]

Imma also go for true ending now no flea map is pissing me the fuck off

[lapis geode]

In fact, I don't know we can get multiple ending since I play blind lmaoo~

Maybe I'll try it in my 2nd playthrough

Just ask: is true ending require something that may spoil me while I'm still in Act II?

[formal geyser]

no

[tropic current]

Few things are clear with hindsight, but if you figure it out based on that, then it's not so much you being spoiled and more you being very perceptive to the clues.

[lapis geode]

Understandable.
I'll continue playing blind then.

[tropic current]

And honestly, that'd probably just make it more satisfying when you're proven right.

[lapis geode]

I see...
I'll try what I believe will make something happen then.

[drowsy mortar]

Recommendation then uh get out of the spoiler chat

[tired dawn]

i havent played hk in a while and dont remember all the endings so this is question of ignorance but which ending is now "canon" to silksong

is it dream no more

or is it up for debate

[drowsy mortar]

It’s a debate between DNM and Godhome endings

[tired dawn]

that makes sense

[drowsy mortar]

People are arguing Delicate Flower though because of the importance of the Everbloom

[tired dawn]

id personally argue against that considering hornet has seemingly One encounter with it previously in silksong

youd expect her to have Some more recent encounters with it in a delicate flower timeline wouldnt you

maybe im just misinterpreting how those scenes in silksong played out

[solar agate]

Anyone working on discovering the ending in which || Hornet becomes the new Grand Mother Silk ||? I think it's related to (NPC later in the game) || Mask Maker as in the ending cinematic hornet's mask is a bit different but still resembels hers ||

[formal geyser]

There is a ||lore relic in the void that says the no will no mind to break took place like LONG LONG AGO so we cant even be sure about the timeline||

[formal geyser]

its just basic ending where you defeat her without anything lol

[solar agate]

No man, everyone thinks that, it's the cinematic in which || Hornet starts screaming and controls the bugs of Pharloom with the web ||

[next sable]

Yeah, it’s the one where Hornet grows like 3 more pairs of legs

[formal geyser]

yea thats the basic one

[tired dawn]

is that really an ending ?

[formal geyser]

one ending yea

[tired dawn]

no no i mean the one dexter is talking about

[next sable]

I don’t think the one Dexter is talking about exists

[solar agate]

Spoiler obviously but Ending 3: || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4QB1wB88t4 ||

[tired dawn]

do we have to spoiler here is that a thing

im Assuming that ending is probably related to beating the game while cursed but i havent seen that one yet so im not sure

[solar agate]

Not that one, I am aware of that one

[tired dawn]

oh huh there is another one here

[formal geyser]

||thats not hornet that is silk grandma winning||

[formal geyser]

thats other ending yea

[solar agate]

I mean probably, but how do we get there

[formal geyser]

i would just try not cliking when you defeat her

[solar agate]

I've stood in that screen 10 minutes

[tired dawn]

ive never died to her have you tried dying to her

this is a joke

[solar agate]

I think it's related to Mask Maker since when you take off his mask he alludes to the fact that you would make a great monarch

[lapis geode]

Well... since the game is hot for discussion I just don't want to miss the hype.
Even though I'm very sure even after 6 months, this channel will still alive with lore, I can't guarantee we're not gonna be there or
too busy to visit again.

[next sable]

It’s possible the cutscene is a removed ending considering that there’s no achievement tied to that particular ending

[solar agate]

And I am thinking maybe he can get us a new a new mask somehow, the one as in the ending

[tired dawn]

hollow knight had achievements for all its endings didnt it?

[next sable]

Correct. So does Silksong

[tired dawn]

just making sure theres precedent for that

okay yeah

[next sable]

Including the fakeout beginning of act 3 one

[formal geyser]

have you played playing the needolin but a normal non binding song ?

[solar agate]

I can't || I will trap her for ACT 3 ||

[formal geyser]

or play needolin as defeated if thats a thing

[next sable]

I’m just saying, it’s probably a dlc cutscene

[formal geyser]

a site says you need to play needolin instead of binding

[next sable]

Have you gotten to act 3 yet?

[tired dawn]

the input for which ending after beating her is just a simple either/or button prompt theres no level of complexity to it

[next sable]

Because if not, get out before you get spoiled lmao

[solar agate]

That's the ending for || getting into act 3 after you've done the rest of the game ||

[formal geyser]

I did it all expect the mentioned ending yea

[tired dawn]

i think its safe to assume the ending in the video was cut

[formal geyser]

no no its also part of ending you look for

[tired dawn]

theres no achievement for it and seemingly no obvious way to actually access it, even the cursed secret ending has an achievement attached

and HK had achievements for all of its endings so the precedent isnt there for one to be missing either

[severe siren]

I wouldnt be surprised if it were missing

[tired dawn]

the ending is cool looking though wonder why it was cut

[severe siren]

It can still come in future content updates

[formal geyser]

i do wonde rif we can still get it

[severe siren]

(If there isnt already a way to get it now)

[formal geyser]

have you tried playing needoline to the boss without killing her ?

[next sable]

TC probably ran out of time when they announced the release date. They did state the only reason they released now was because they felt they waited way too long and needed to stop

[formal geyser]

like during a fight

[solar agate]

Yeah but it doesn't do anything

I will try again I guess maybe I need to survive longer

[formal geyser]

some enemies take longer i would be suprised if final boss took few tries

[tired dawn]

ive done that it doesnt do anything

if you watch the video the extra ending is actually just a continuation of the basic ending so im assuming they just cropped the cutscene ingame for whatever reason

or something to that affect

[solar agate]

Nah it's rather different

Is there an NPC in the game that's obssesed with masks besides Mask Maker?

[tired dawn]

dont think so, i think you're looking into it too much though

[next sable]

Mask Maker has got a few screws loose

[distant briar]

by the
way I got the maskmater his delivery and all he said was thanks

no new lore

[solar agate]

did you hit his mask off?

He is rather different without it

[formal geyser]

Maybe its a steel soul ending ?

[next sable]

Hmm, possible, but then the achievement thing still holds

There’s no achievement tied to the ending

[tired dawn]

people have done steel soul runs already and havent said anything afaik

its most likely cut content

[formal geyser]

stell soul does|| seem to have new npcs so maybe idk||

idk some videso call it alt ending its probs something obvious

[tired dawn]

does it really? thats cool actually

[next sable]

Those videos datamined it, so… yeah, take that with a grain of salt

[hexed thorn]

The game has three endings, right? Normal, Cursed, & the one where you get to Act 3?

[tired dawn]

uhh yes

[next sable]

In fact, the only reason we know it exists is because of datamining and nothing else

[tired dawn]

oh really? well there you go

[formal geyser]

did we datamine all ending conditions ?

[tired dawn]

that stuffs a bit harder to get than a video file id assume

im not into unity stuff though so idk

[nova swallow]

so like
these guys are what the ||grand mother of silk|| used to make the ||weavers||?

[next sable]

Pretty much impossible unless you decompile the entire game, and that’s a slog

[nova swallow]

as seen in the vision after the ||first sinner||'s bossfight

[formal geyser]

so what did the first sinner even do to sin ?

[next sable]

Called GMS a liar. Basically heresy

[wide raft]

you literally can't as on the final hit, the needolin button is replaced with trap, and if you stab the head without having that setup, you can't do anything 'but' bind. You are automatically connected to the head.

[formal geyser]

I could make like some theory where first sinner is Widow or some crazy shit then write 10 h lore video explaning myself

[next sable]

Widow literally dies to you though before you even reach First Sinner…

[formal geyser]

but you can play diffrent songs when on her head have you tried that

[formal geyser]

yea and we fight sinners memory

[next sable]

Not to mention, the literal giant cage with seals

[next sable]

Uh… I think you’re misinterpreting the FS fight by a lot

You enter her cage/cell and bind her

[nova swallow]

it's on russian but these guys' desctiption says that hornet seeked relationships but her partners' lifes were always shorter than hers

[tired dawn]

you cant play different songs

[formal geyser]

i honestly dont remember much of the area after a while

[nova swallow]

now the real question is

did hornet canonically bang

[next sable]

Yep, correct. She’s got an elf lifespan

[nova swallow]

isn't she un-aging?

[next sable]

She might also be immortal, but we don’t really know there

[next sable]

No clue

[formal geyser]

you can

[next sable]

She definitely was a baby at some point

[nova swallow]

true

[formal geyser]

no i didnt you do this you go into a memory not her herself

and widow had her mask taken away

[nova swallow]

her "when i was little" chimes in in descriptions of enemies is so sweet

[next sable]

You literally wake her…

[nova swallow]

also, i love her interactions with the green prince

[next sable]

Like, go watch the entire fight

[formal geyser]

mearly a vision fight

time for a theory agenda

[next sable]

Yeah, I’m not about to indulge in arguing against poor video comprehension. Watch the damn fight

[formal geyser]

i litterly did i just posted a screen from a video

[heady delta]

guys what build should i make with these skills/tools, and which other skills/tools should i get for the build? i REALLY need help because i just made it to blasted steps only yesterday

[formal geyser]

it wouldnt first time silk fuckery

[next sable]

You should have watched the entire video, but ok, sure, whatever. You only enter dreams in act 3 and you fight her in act 2, so there’s that