sk-lore

[foggy fractal]

btw Tammo is pollip pouch worth it I'm running pompillo and cogflies rn

[wide raft]

closer to 3, but the screenshot don't lie

[pastel parrot]

The knight doesn't die in any ending, dream no more is heavily implied but embrace the void is possible as well

[subtle thistle]

Ain't true when there's like zero speed running tech and decent routes that are currently known

[sharp magnet]

Sorry I'm not much of a hollow knight lore fan it just looked like he died

[subtle thistle]

Even then game is difficult

[wide raft]

I skipped double jump and rushed right to GMS, that's not a speed runner time. that's just "Don't get hit" %

[pastel parrot]

Some people are just good at games, any% in ~3 hours is pretty reasonable

[subtle thistle]

I haven't beaten the game yet so idk

[wide raft]

If you don't go off the intended route you can basically do a straight line through all the bells without doubling back at all.

[subtle thistle]

Considering how difficult this game I'd think it would take at least a few extra hours to speed run

[wide raft]

This was my run "after" getting 100% on a normal file. Once you know the patterns it's just a matter of execution

[pastel parrot]

I can't wait to see what true ending speedruns look like

[lyric rose]

Lifeblood Syringe causes a little bit of vertical ascent, could that have applications for skips?

[foggy fractal]

people are just crazy good lmao
plus the game has been out for a few days now
give us fanatics who waited around 6 and a half years and we get to work

[wide raft]

probably. I just pogoed off enemies where I needed extra height and didn't need to do it much on the main path

[storm whale]

I think you could also go through the bilewater route to go straight to citadel

[foggy fractal]

now handover the juicy steel soul footage

👹

[wide raft]

Only thing I went out of my way for was wanderers crest for the slightly higher movement speed and tighter controls

[lyric rose]

Lifeblood syringe + Beast Crest needle art could do some crazy stuff maybe???

[wide raft]

who knows

[pastel parrot]

Do we know if the path through the mist is the same every time or randomly generated each run through?

[urban stirrup]

Random

[wide raft]

When team cherry makes a speedrun achievement. They make it possible for the average player. you don't need to be a crazy speedrunner to achieve it, if you just go in with a single goal in mind

[urban stirrup]

100% in 30 hours is kinda wild for an average player

[lost lion]

File limited to 10 but heres a screen shot at every one of the spool locations minus the one in slab, memorium, and high halls. actually fucked.

[wide raft]

Also, I took the mist route to get the parry, and also get into the grand bellway

[whole hawk]

How exactly do you deal with High Hall though? Genuinely curious?

[wide raft]

I got it in 25ish hours.

[whole hawk]

Parry, I guess?

[urban stirrup]

Congratulations, but you probably aren’t the average player

[drowsy gate]

Is someone working on a guide

[foggy fractal]

how about underworks one ?

[wide raft]

probably not. But I'm just saying it's doable, that was on a blind run

[lost lion]

both are in there

[foggy fractal]

shit

I was thinking of craftmetal mb

[lost lion]

6th and 7th images respectively

[foggy fractal]

also hows my pfp is it heat

standing in THAT room...

[urban stirrup]

Where are all the craft metals? I feel like I got a couple at the start, then the rest at the end with no in between. Am I just bad at finding them or something?

[urban stirrup]

You hardly even entire bile water, only the very first area

[foggy fractal]

theres a site with all of them just google silksong interative map smth like that

[storm whale]

Does anyone else think ||it's the actual white lady talking to Hornet in Red Memory? They were talking like it's way past the fall of Hallownest, that Hornet has matured and wised up from being hallownest's sentinel.||

[lyric rose]

don’t use beast

[wide raft]

Probably, She's a higher being after all, Not Wyrmblooded but still on par with the other gods of Hallownest like Unn and such

[unkempt timber]

Is there any special meaning to the ||bellways (and bellhart)? Like, who created the bells and stuff?||

[wide raft]

Pharloom has metallurgy other kingdoms can't even fathom, Bells are easy to make and a show of talent with metalworking. Honestly it's probably just become an icon through usefulness

[lost lion]

where does one find the actual save file

[limpid summit]

That’s actually really interesting

And you can sort of see the shift from the floating memory text to when Hornet locks in and they talk normally

I didn’t even think about that

I don’t know if this is just a fundamental sadness at the death of her kids but in the memory she talks about void like it’s still an enemy

Surely she sensed Rad dying

She likes Hornet more than the vessels

[arctic onyx]

bc she dont have that void inside at all

[edgy stone]

How do you get curveclaw in act 3

[lost lion]

welp, guess i'm doing my 100% game completion in steelsoul!

[hallow crag]

How many endings are there

[urban stirrup]

I’m trying to fit my 100% completion speed run in steel soul and it’s not fun

[urban stirrup]

3, kinda 4 depending on what you consider an ending

[lost lion]

mr mushroom is his own ending

[hallow crag]

MYSHROOM GUY IS BACK IN SULKSONG???

[urban stirrup]

4-5 then, I forgot him

[worldly tulip]

Yknow thinking about it, ||First Sinner|| and ||Grand Mother Silk|| have remarkably similar fights, I wonder if there's some sort of lore implication there

Is that just how all ||Weaver or Weaver adjacent|| things fight?

[faint hollow]

Thinking about piecing together the story now and I'm asking, was it basically ||that Pharloom/the Citadel got so obsessed with eternity that they captured Weavers for their silk to extend their lives??||

[faint hollow]

I always thought that ||the Weavers came from Grand Mother Silk's dream like how the Mosskin were for Unn||

[naive cargo]

So Hallownest’s mask maker was that goated that even unmasked they weren’t that lucid

[ocean reef]

||i think they captured weavers because GMS wants an heir. So much she made a fake one with Lace. I think the eternity thing is a side story. Lace, Widow, and the other spiderr-likes are all failures created by GMS||

[high valve]

yall, what did ||widow|| say before you fought ||her||?

i remember hearing something about you ||returning to your old home||, maybe im tripping

sorry, just added spoiler

[unkempt timber]

I never quite understood why the|| citadel is decrepit, ||was there a specific cause?

[faint hollow]

||Then did she specifically want Hornet to take over since she was half-Weaver?||

[ocean reef]

||i dont know about specifically hornet. Theres a room to the left of the Cradle area that shows that they tried to capture a bunch of part weavers from different areas. This is my interpretation so far btw, I'm only in act 2 still, but I beat GMS||

[clear zephyr]

from what im hearing she wanted hornet because ||she can weave soul into her silk since shes half wrym half weaver and it was suppoused to be used to "finish" lace||

[faint hollow]

Also why is it that in Act 3 ||Pharloom feels like it underwent a whole ass one year time skip imo? Like we have the Wormways completely turned into lifeblood, and the professor's like almost dead from the lifeblood, I feel like that would take a while to kick in.||

[clear zephyr]

|| its stated by widow that "mother wants your silk shell and claws"||

[faint hollow]

I guess that makes sense, what I'm also wondering is just.... why???? ||Does GMS need an heir or smth??? Why'd she create Lace and also maybe Phantom??||

[plush bridge]

||They seem to have some kind of natural maternal instincts, as she was also said to call the Weavers their children.||

[clear zephyr]

||see i havent played the game or really got to witness any lore yet because its a new game theres no videos out yet about it but from what was said in here i assume she was trying to make lace a heir she clearly loved lace thats why she freaks out in the ending lace gets sucked into the void||

[unkempt timber]

||so why can't she create new weavers? Was she not their god?||

||Or does it not work like the radiance and the moths, or did I not understand that either||

[plush bridge]

||Yeah, their entire struggle against the Void, even as it stretched their soul thin for upkeeping that barrier was for Lace's sake, not her own.||

[clear zephyr]

||yeah but its specfically stated she made lace out of silk and thats why she wants hornet for her silk||

[ocean reef]

||i think she tries to, but fails.

I think its not consistent. She got lucky with the weavers and won the lottery. Now shes trying again but not successful.||

[clear zephyr]

||from what i can gather yes and no she took regular spiders and wrapping them in her silk is what makes them the weavers or atleast thats how she made the orginals||

[faint hollow]

That does make an amount of sense considering the ending. ||I also thought it was that the citadel used silk BEFORE GMS swooped in, considering there are multiple areas and leaders like Nyleth and the Green Prince and the Crust King and Karmelita. I thought that GMS didn't like how maybe the Citadel tried to experiment/take the Weavers' powers to feed their immortality or smth||

[unkempt timber]

And why did ||the weavers leave the citadel/pharloom again?|| The ||nests had some lore about why but I never quite understood||

[plush bridge]

||Yes, because the Weavers left or died or were imprisoned. Lace and Phantom seem to be her attempts to fill that void, and finding Weavers or their descendants is also part of that.||

[ocean reef]

||i think the weavers tried to make their own god. Eva, and thus became heretics.||

[clear zephyr]

||as far as i know thw only thing we know is the haunting was started with GMS wether it was she was the first afflicted or created it we dont know its just how it started with her and she was using silk to brainwash and control people specfically its said she surgically modified widow to prevent her from being able to use her own silk ||

[unkempt timber]

Ah, right, this makes sense to me

[plush bridge]

||Breaking from servitude under Silk, primarily.||

[clear zephyr]

the ||haunting||

[plush bridge]

There's a big theme on freedom with both the Weavers and Hornet herself, breaking cycles, all that.

[gray parrot]

crazy

[midnight reef]

welll... just finished act three
||it still seems DNM is the true ending, least it always will be in my heart... that and daughter of 3 queens is somewhat cannon...||

[clear zephyr]

|| and this is why we all have been saying godhome dream no more or pale flower have to be the cannon ending||

[midnight reef]

||Not particularly, Dream No More is still very possible||

[clear zephyr]

thats one of the 3 i listed

[midnight reef]

||The shades arent shown as unified as the shade lords, minus a split second||

[clear zephyr]

||i cant remeber what ending but with the void heart you become the lord of the shades and in my opinion that ending seems to be what they are hinting at with the hollowknight showing up as a shade and its confirmed thats the same vessel we play as in og game in the screenshot||

|| but there is also a ending where hornet uses the pale flower||

[urban lantern]

GUYS GUYS

in the great Conchfly bestiary entry, Hornet says that she's outlived her mates.... dos that mean she's... a Widow?

[clear zephyr]

yes someone came in here earlier and was like so shes bisexual and we all were like no shes a widow then shes out lived everyone shes loved

[urban lantern]

okay but the joke of her being a Widow, as in the spider, is hilarious to me

[clear zephyr]

i thought it was pretty funny as well but yeah someone thought it was them claiming she was bisexual and we were all like ummmm no

i have a question would hornet be a centipede if her dad is a worm and her mom is a spider slither thing plus legs = centepiede

[urban lantern]

where would you even get that information that she's bisexual

[clear zephyr]

they used that exact desc you just put in here for the conch fly

i was like is she bisexual or just a widow

[pastel egret]

dayum this guy did not make it

[clear zephyr]

eat him

its a bug eat bug world out here

[keen cedar]

Survival of the fittest

[pastel egret]

true true

[urban lantern]

what part of that implies she's had relations with bugs of more than one gender, it just says mates, it could be literally anything so there's nothing to extrapolate from really

[clear zephyr]

okay who ever reacted to my comment that emoji is TERRIFYING wtf

[clear zephyr]

and that was our points we were like it legit is telling you shes a widow not bisexual and we were confused how he got that from the entry

[urban lantern]

reading comprehension out the window i guess

[clear zephyr]

but it was a little funny to me straight posted a photo of the entry and was like so shes bi and we were all like yeah no

[dusk willow]

Cradle Secret behind wall

[midnight vault]

Hallownest might be dealing with or has had to deal with another infestation unless Im reading this wrong

[modern hollow]

prolly a cordyceps situation

[near wyvern]

is the delicate flower from hk the same in silksong?

[sudden vine]

why are bells so significant?

[clear zephyr]

yes

atleast the designs look identical

[midnight vault]

I mean its clear that lifeblood has a similar process as the infestation did its even more surprising its gotten this far out of hallownest

[clear zephyr]

|| and considering how the void reacted to the flower at the end just like it did in the orginal game is another reason i believe they are one in the same||

[near wyvern]

so like

[near wyvern]

yeah but we get the flower in a memory tho

[clear zephyr]

life blood is said to be natural tho

[clear zephyr]

half memory its hard to decide but alot of us think its more than just a memory the way the pale lady speaks

[midnight vault]

I always figured it was related to a higher being because of its presense in godhome and the abyss

[clear zephyr]

but in one of the endings its used hornet witness it and she mentions in game || watching a god be felled||

[near wyvern]

when? i rlly do not remember when she says that

[modern hollow]

didnt the alchemist import it from another land

[quartz plinth]

Is it ethical to be simping for ||First sinner||, ||Last judge|| and ||Great mother Silk||?

[midnight vault]

No widow?

[modern hollow]

no cog dancers ?

[spiral steppe]

When once makes it sounds like it was far in the past and delt with

[clear zephyr]

im trying to find a vid or screenshot now but yeah its been discussed multiple times in here today

[mental thicket]

Hi

Someone help me with the lore vro I'm lost

[modern hollow]

maybe that also is what is tied into joni

[quartz plinth]

I interpreted the lifeblood as something that naturally ocurrs when there is extreme decay on populated Areas, there was alot of it in Hallownest because the whole kingdom was practically in shambles and dead, while Pharloom, is still very much alive and full of life and non crazed bugs, meaning it could only spawn on the outer parts of pharloom, in an area that is likely a dump for whatever the worms got to eat, geologically, the lifeblood is also underneath the Sands of Karath, a dead Tribe.

[arctic mountain]

The ||Cogwork dancers ||and ||Green Prince ||questline is literally everything to me. I need a godhome style boss expansion with the doomed lovers

[clear zephyr]

we are still tryna piece it together bit by bit lol

[mental thicket]

Are ss and hk lore interconnected

[quartz plinth]

Yes

[near wyvern]

yes

[modern hollow]

would bilewater count as a viable place for it to spawn?

[mental thicket]

No but what's with the random || voices I get when I claimed that skill||

Am i supposed to find out later in the game or did I miss something

[clear zephyr]

what skill you asked me to help you with lore

[quartz plinth]

Not really, it's not a dead zone, it is very full of life actually, the local residents and the worms seem to be triving, it just happens to be a pretty big swamp

[mental thicket]

That skill which unseals the beast

[modern hollow]

one that wants to kill me 💔

would mount fay also be a kinda viable place for lifeblood to hang about

[quartz plinth]

Not really, since its a mountain, but its not a dead zone

I gotta clarify, What i mean with Dead zones is places where there was at one point, lots of bugs or traces of civilization, just for these zones to become giant graveyards of rotting things

[clear zephyr]

wait so people still cant figure out how to trigger every ending

[runic musk]

No we know how

[mental thicket]

how many ending are there

[modern hollow]

yea but lifeblood doesnt always flourish in those particular areas specifically

[near wyvern]

have we ever heard the name "everbloom" in hk?

[clear zephyr]

there is 5 endings and only 4 triggers have been found so far

[modern hollow]

you can find multiple in pretty well populated areas like the mantis village

[runic musk]

Its just a pain in the ass to figure out exact conditions for what the trigger for a specific one is.

[modern hollow]

ut this is base game not silksong

[raven condor]

We have held one, but it was only referred to as the delicate flower

[clear zephyr]

on youtube you can find all the endings and theres a ending even on reddit they are saying they saw it on youtube but no one can trigger it

[static cradle]

It’s also in godhome which definitely counts as a populated area

[quartz plinth]

This is a tricky one because exept the Mantis village and the colliseum, the rest of Hallonwest is fucking dead

[static cradle]

Datamining

[near wyvern]

yeah i really wanted to know if delicate flower is actually the same as everbloom

[raven condor]

It is 100%

[modern hollow]

its also in a dream so

[static cradle]

Yeah

[clear zephyr]

its confirmed on reddit i guess the delicate flower and the flower in silk song are indeed the same flower

[raven condor]

Grey mourner 100% from Pharloom

[midnight vault]

Lifeblood just has a weird need for a host but crawls into weird locations

Like it wants to draw people in to infest them but it chooses some odd locations

[near wyvern]

why would you say that?

[midnight vault]

maybe they just drop the dead in those places including lifeblood infected ones so it pops up in the graveyards

[quartz plinth]

No lmfao, there is not a single Roach or a person with a werid speech in the entirety of pharloom, im sorry, but you gotta let it go, the accident was not your fault

[raven condor]

She has the flower, and is literally Grey “moor”ner

[clear zephyr]

i feel like ther has to be canabilism going on we never actually see any food we see tables but in rl bugs eat bugs all the time so i feel like lots of missing bugs happened alot

like some id discovery type stuff

[modern hollow]

maybe not from pharloom but prolly took a visit there at some point

[near wyvern]

yeah but that may be a coincidence

[modern hollow]

we dont exactly know how far each of the civilizations are

[near wyvern]

we cant be 100% sure that shes from pharloom

[naive cargo]

Didn’t you take the everbloom from a memory

[clear zephyr]

all we know is she was a great warrior for the pale king and white lady

[clear zephyr]

yeah but alot of us disscussed this we arent sure if that was 100% memories with some of the things said to hornet by the whitelady

[strong ibex]

Anyone else think the Craws aren't just actual crow bugs but regular beetles and whatnot that have gone mad and decided to dress up + act like crows? xD

[midnight vault]

I mean I think we DO see what an actual ||bird|| is like lol

[raven condor]

I think white lady directly spoke to hornet via her cool higher being powers

[clear zephyr]

same some thing were way to specific for the white lady to know espically if shes been bound by her roots for years

[naive cargo]

Im only saying that because it would indicate that the flower isn’t native

If you pulled it out of a memory

[clear zephyr]

think of it as a god flower

we have only ever seen it used against the void

[naive cargo]

Not my point

[strong ibex]

I mean yeah! Plus I do find it adds to their ||cult vibe||

[clear zephyr]

kinda is if you pay attention its not native anywhere in the world yet somehow magically appears everytime its needed to be used against another higher being (yes the lord of shades is considered a higher being) so my thought is someone else is bringing it in an handing them outcause the flower is also tied to the god seekers

[modern hollow]

the shade lord is a lower being cuz its lower to the earth /j

[clear zephyr]

on the wiki its listed as a higher being along side the pale king white lady and radience and in this univers a higher being is a "god like being"

[modern hollow]

yea i just like calling it a lower being cuz its from the abyss

which is pretty low to the world

[flat totem]

IS THE BILEWATER BOSS ANOTHER SOUL MASTER?

from the first game??

he has soul powers and they allude to it in songclave

[raven condor]

His journal entry referenced soul master

[naive cargo]

Yeah but I read it as narrative coincidence than like magically appearing when the void is around

[near wyvern]

wait yooooo

[clear zephyr]

i mean it is the only time we ever see that flowe come into play is when the void is around

[mighty swallow]

Does the needolin let you listen to the dead?

[raven condor]

Also, can we agree that the pale king is actually goated and we need to apologize. Grand mother silk strings people up, Radiance infects people, apparently lifeblood eats your soul, the nightmare heart enslaves, and the pale king just be granting the gift of thought like jeez, no cost to great, cause otherwise these bugs are gonna suffer forever.

[clear zephyr]

basically dream nail for silksong

[mighty swallow]

So talking to ghosts

[modern hollow]

he also doesnt have anti homeless architecture

[raven condor]

Real, so real

[mighty swallow]

Dang I was hoping the bug down the hole was still alive

[raven condor]

He loved his kingdom

[mighty swallow]

Though that might be darker

[near wyvern]

also the canon ending is the one that you give the delicate flower to the godseeker right?

because if its the same flower its gotta be that one

[twilit pewter]

Anyone ever seen the area ||Nameless Town||?

[near wyvern]

yeah

[twilit pewter]

huh

[near wyvern]

you gotta do that mini path of pain

in cradle

[dim basin]

So Silksong is after God master embrace the void ending

[woven fulcrum]

Could be, but you also see the void seep into the ground in dream no more so it could be thought that the night returned to the void in that ending which would still line up with silksong

[edgy stone]

I do think its dream no more

The design is the one the knight uses in that one

Also yall reckon we might get a prime citadel in the dlc

With all of the memory stuff going on I feel like we could get into it via the broken down Sentinels where you fight the last one

[midnight vault]

Pretty sure on the surface the figure the needolin shows is a godseeker

I hope we get another godmaster

or maybe not these bosses are something else

[near wyvern]

huh we what

[midnight vault]

you can go there by soaring to the top of grandmother silk's chamber and going through hellish jumping puzzles for what amounts to ||dreamnail dialogue and a little sprite||

Path of Pain classic

[frozen hornet]

any talk about the fact that the snail shamans are ||freaking murderers?
like in the secret room in their place we see a text about sacrificing pilgrims alive Oo||

[woven fulcrum]

That'd be cool, I hope we get more Veridian stuff, i wanted to see more. And I maybe some weaver stuff to help clarify everything that happened

I still a bit lost on what all happened between the weavers and gms

[midnight vault]

We fight the second sentinel but who was the first?

[near wyvern]

huh

like on the nameless town?

[high bane]

Considering what else we see them do, it shouldn't be too surprising. They're helpful, but generally a danger to everyone around.

[frozen hornet]

little crack theory here
Silk wanted daughters, so she created the weavers, but that wasnt good enough, so she created Phantom and Lace, but still not satisfied, she commanded her followers to go and capture Weaver descendants in the hope of finding a strong/suitable daughter/heir which Hornet would be the perfect candidate
Now what i still dont really understand is:
Why is silk trapped in her cocoon
Why did she start cursing Pharloom
Why did some weavers betray her

[sleek lily]

could this cut content be one of the ||snail shamans||?

[frozen hornet]

could be, but snails shamans have white eyes

[raven condor]

Oh my god he’s in the fucking game

I just found him

[sleek lily]

yes but surely reworked

[raven condor]

Incredible

He’s fucking brutal

[sleek lily]

so is the barnacle area cut or i just didn't find it yet

[raven condor]

It’s gone, but he remains.

[woven fulcrum]

Yeah I'm lost because she supposedly saves lace and refuses to die to save her, but that feals contradictory to the haunting. And why did the weavers want to leave was it just for freedom and then gms got mad and punished them?

[raven condor]

Sub area does exist though in the sands of Karak

[sleek lily]

I don't mean the coral area, I mean the barnacle one

[woven fulcrum]

I think it looks more like the witch, could be cut or maybe even a tease for something in the future

[raven condor]

I understand.

It’s barnacle and lightning themed

[frozen hornet]

I guess it's a case of "I never realised you were my real daughter all along"
basically Silk thought she yearned for a better daughter, but upon almost losing lace to the void, she realizes that she truly loves her
Not sure for why the weavers left tho, still blurry to me too

[sleek lily]

Yeah but the area in this screenshot must be in the game

[raven condor]

It is in the game. Sands of Karak, not the coral tower one

[sleek lily]

Really???? I haven't seen it then

[woven fulcrum]

Yeah it's a secret area above the bridge you break

The lightning one that is

The barnacle area doesn't seem to be in the game, but it seems like there's too many assets for them to just cut it all out, but who knows

I still think it's a future dlc

[nova sluice]

It's weirdly hidden, in the room a little bit before the boss on the Sands, on the ceiling

[edgy stone]

Im stil waiting for all of the steel soul mode content to be cataloged

[nova sluice]

Cataloged?

[edgy stone]

Like actually known and out there

[nova sluice]

I mean, I'm working on a route right now

[edgy stone]

Im talking about the exclusives like the steel assasins and stuff

[sleek lily]

WHAAAAAT

IT'S THERE???

[nova sluice]

Oh, hmm, I only know of a few dialogues that changed for now

[mental thicket]

Help what is that voice I'm hearing

[woven fulcrum]

I don't think that's in the game either, I got all the bestiary and I didn't see it anywhere

There's a trailer with an enemy in it that looks like them

[sleek lily]

btw you can make the little judge hatchlings sing if you keep playing needolin after they disappear

[sullen crown]

It’s kind of crazy that when you look at the hunters journal for hornets notes she repeatedly makes mention about wanting to pet creatures with soft fur.

[sleek lily]

What a performance...

[real plank]

Question: Is grandma silk a pale being?

[lost lion]

Unclear, but she is called pale at one point.

[lost lion]

Yeah lmao hornet loves soft things is canon

[spare pendant]

nah just a higher being

[lost lion]

She just like me fr

[sullen crown]

Headcanon that hornet would snuggle with one of those bell bugs if they weren’t aggressive.

[spare pendant]

pale being is only used for the two creatures in hallownest

[lost lion]

Headcanon? Thats the official lore

[spare pendant]

that's in journal

[sullen crown]

But like would she snuggle or would she just pet

[edgy stone]

Give hornet a floof team cherry

Im refunding the game if hornet doesnt get a godamn floof

[lost lion]

No look at the journal entries for the big one and the crusted one

[sullen crown]

Oh I got to check

Can’t rn though

[dusk zealot]

um so... you can get regenerating health with lifeblood

like, full on, better version of the hiveblood charm

[lost lion]

If I remember right the crusted one said something about how tragic it was she couldnt hug them cause of the shell

[sullen crown]

Interesting

Is it in wormways?

[edgy stone]

Can you refund a gamw after 38 hours

[lost lion]

Email tc, they’ll refund you fs

[sleek lily]

Found a secret weaver relic by revisiting the conductor in ||Act 3||

[dusk zealot]

if you gather 9 lifeblood masks (this is in act three with wormways turning lifebloody + the phial), it turns your health into lifeblood. your hearts regen over time but but you cant heal with silk

[sullen crown]

Oh so that’s what she meant when she talked about not being able to take too much life blood.

[dusk zealot]

YEAH

it resets once you bench

[lost lion]

Thsts pretty cool tbh

[sullen crown]

Cause I saw the journal entry for the lifeblood bugs

[dusk zealot]

i saw that and was curious what would happen if you got the max

[sullen crown]

And then I did like 6 lifeblood syringes at once for a boss

And nothing happened

[dusk zealot]

10 is the most you can get, the more you get, the more the lifeblood hearts start shaking

[sullen crown]

Lifeblood’s kind of scary

[edgy stone]

Its weird hoe much more aggresive lifeblood got in silksong

[sullen crown]

Seeing how it was barely present in act 1

[dusk zealot]

2 plasmium cacoons + phial

[sullen crown]

And act 2

And then coming back to see it completely overtaken by lifeblood

[lost lion]

I mean in hk it couldnt exactly use the knight as a host lmao they werent alive

[sullen crown]

Really makes you understand WHY it was so frowned upon in hk

[clever linden]

Something i noticed in a task description. Sry its not relevant

[edgy stone]

Yeah but even then the lifeblood infected characters seemed more peaceful in hollow knight

[sullen crown]

Well that lifeblood were only little pockets after being ruthlessly hunted out.

[lost lion]

Which characters are lifeblood infected?

[sullen crown]

But this is a new infection taking hold.

[edgy stone]

The charm one

[lost lion]

Ah right joni

[sullen crown]

Do we know the full story of Joni?

[edgy stone]

Also the fact that lifeblood mutates bugs in silksong when it was just spreading in hollow knight

[lost lion]

It did mutate joni

[sullen crown]

Joni’s blessing does mutate the knight by making all your masks lifeblood

But it does seem like the alchemist brought a more virulent strain of lifeblood

[lost lion]

A certain alchemist was dumb enough to inject EVERYTHING he found with lifeblood so yeah lmao

[clever linden]

Yeah but it wasnt as agressive as it didnt infect anything else. If this is by choice or by force i do not know.

[sullen crown]

Right it was all directly planted

We could even assume most of the sources of lifeblood were eradicated by the pale king

[lost lion]

Thats pretty heavily implied yeah

[sullen crown]

The lifeblood was also being specfically cultivated

Like imagine giving a infection fertilizer

[edgy stone]

Its weird that lifeblood also weirdly does like void

[lost lion]

I do think it eeally might have some ties to void though

[sullen crown]

Well there was the lifeblood room in the abyss

[edgy stone]

Found in the abyss and it seems to grow stronger in act 3

[sullen crown]

But I feel they are different but have similarity’s

[lost lion]

• the lifeblood grew like crazy once the void took over in act3

[sullen crown]

It could also be that the void doesn’t actively fight against lifeblood

Unlike pale beings control who do not like it.

[lost lion]

They arent the same by any means, just thinking lifebloods growth may be fueled/accelerated by void

[edgy stone]

Id be down for a lifeblood expansion honestly

[sleek lily]

guys is there an upgrade to every crest? I just upgraded hunter's ||for the second time|| and it's straight so much better than the others

[lost lion]

No, unfortunately

[sullen crown]

Idk about it being better

[lost lion]

I wish wanderers got upgraded

[sullen crown]

It’s just given something unique

Every crest except wanderer has unique gimmicks about them

[edgy stone]

Wanderer is probably my 2nd least favorite

Or third I guess

[lost lion]

Wanderer does too

Crit chance

[edgy stone]

I never used beast or witch

[sullen crown]

Crit hwat

[lost lion]

You get critical hits with wanderers no?

[sleek lily]

btw this shit strong

[edgy stone]

Heal on both is far too gimmicky to ever feel safe

[sullen crown]

Idk about beast

[lost lion]

Hell I got lost lace to phase 2 in only about 5 swings cause I crit twice

[sullen crown]

But witch is actually pretty good

[edgy stone]

Shaman is probably the worst heal in the game though

[sullen crown]

Shaman forcing you on the ground

[edgy stone]

Its a solid second longer than all the otherd

[sullen crown]

And taking longer even with the speed heal tool

And you don’t even get a single red tool slot

[lost lion]

Doesnt it give perma grubberflys tho

[sullen crown]

So no lifeblood

[sullen crown]

True but it also swing slower. I think

[lost lion]

Idk I never used it

[edgy stone]

Ive still only ever used respers for a boss

[lost lion]

My freaking save file is broke

[edgy stone]

Reapers is by far the most useful

[sullen crown]

And while the range is good, reaper with long claw has some WILD range

[sullen crown]

Oh

Witch glitch?

[lost lion]

I can’t get 100% completion

I’m stuck at 99

[sullen crown]

And you’ve done everything

[lost lion]

Nope, spool didnt count

[lost lion]

Yep

[edgy stone]

Damn

If you need the achievement id honestly just steal someone elses save

[sullen crown]

Wdym spool didn’t count?

[lost lion]

Missing one half of a spool, but every spool location WITH proof is done and no spool there

[edgy stone]

You buy em all

[lost lion]

Literally have a ss of me at every spot on the map

[lost lion]

Of course, all my stores are out of stocj

My current guess is it was the flea one

[edgy stone]

High halls one? I never saw that one on a map when I was looking

[sullen crown]

The one behind like the wall

Or the one you get from climbing up

[lost lion]

If you scroll up about 5 hours you can find the ss of me at every spool spot

[lost lion]

In hh its only the on from climbing all the way up

[sullen crown]

I’m missing a single spool too

But I’m not done with everything else

I think the second flea travel they give you a spool)

[lost lion]

I got to 99% blind, literally missing one half of a spool, after 5 hours of searching I gave up and googled it only to find out I shouldve had 100%

[lost lion]

Yeah I think I moved the fleas to the lake before I got 14 fleas or smth which mightve broken it

[sullen crown]

The fleas shouldn’t do the final move though until you get the grand gate movement

[lost lion]

Cause I simply do not remember receiving one from them

[lost lion]

Yeah thats what i’m talking about

[olive flower]

is there a mask shard finder/tracker in-game?

[lost lion]

Nope. You just gotta go break every wall

[olive flower]

here we go

[lost lion]

There is hints though, like defeating optional bosses and talking to them afterwards they often mention places

[sullen crown]

I have 2 mask shards and 1 spool unaccounted for

[lost lion]

Thats where I was sitting at 98%

[olive flower]

im missing like 2 more

[sullen crown]

But ik I got the flea spool

So is there any act 3 spools?

[lost lion]

Then got the last 2 mask shards and found out I was cooked from the start

[lost lion]

Nah all spools are available from act 2

[sullen crown]

Hrrmmmm I will need to go spool searching I guess

Thankfully someone posted a full map

Of the game

[lost lion]

I can tell you the exact location of every spool unfortunately 😭

[sullen crown]

Ooo that would be nice

[nova sluice]

Aside from ||Huntress|| do we have any quests that if left behind when moving to Act3 have an affect on the npc? Be it dialogue, lore or anything

[sullen crown]

||Those 2 bug bros in sinners die apparently||

||You can no longer challenge shakra to a duel||

[nova sluice]

Oh...what happen to those stuck with the curse thn?

[sullen crown]

They are fucked until people discover how to get spines in act 3

[lost lion]

One in moss grotto near the transition to the marrow, you go in from the room above and to the right of bone bottom, on in weavenest atla, left side after the warp, 2 in deep docks, one in a bottom left room one in bottom right room, one in slab 3 rooms above and one to the left from the stag station, 2 in underworks, one in a room down and to the left from the terminal thing, one down a hole on the right side of the underworks, 1 in whitehall under the elevator, one in high halls at the tippy top, one in memorium on the left side, andddddd one in grand gate in the top of the room

[edgy stone]

You could do what???

[lost lion]

I might be missing one from the list

Or yeah and one in bottom right cog core

[sleek lily]

WTF is this ||lifeblood boss||??????

[sullen crown]

Oh

I think ik who you are talking about

Bro extract his juices cmon

[edgy stone]

There must be a way to get the extractor after finishing the quest right?

[sullen crown]

Not that I know of

And it’s not counted as a red tool

[edgy stone]

How the fuck do you kill the bitch then

[nova sluice]

Oh cool, I did the ||master funeral||, how can I duel her now?

[limpid compass]

what are our thoughts on the cursed ending?

[lost lion]

Lmao smack his ass for like 5 minutes, worked for me

[sleek lily]

I think you need to deal fast damage. The amount of tears he throws gets incresingly higher if you keep hitting it. However avoiding him lowers it.

[sullen crown]

She should be near like leaving bell town to greymoor or in first room of greymoor leaving bell town you should see a ring you can hit or smth.

[sullen crown]

I just killed him with the extractor

[lost lion]

If you corner him on left side of the room his projectiles hit the cieling before they hit you

Use wanderers, unironically the quick hits kb him and basically stunlock him

[sleek lily]

confirmed

just got him

you need to deal damage fast, he is like perma healing

I killed him in less than 20 secs

By spamming attack

Oh yeah, it's a gimmick for all ||lifeblood|| enemies. They are constantly healing, as shown with a ||blue|| effect on them.

[lost lion]

I was so confused when people were talking about an immortal guy when I got here cause I killed him with like 0 trouble when I did it

It just took a min

[sleek lily]

The lower he is the more projectiles he'll throw

[sullen crown]

Im gonna be honest idk how to feel about the fact basically every boss does 2 masks of damage.

[white panther]

Thanks!

[sleek lily]

I think the game is balanced around that, maybe it could be toned down only in Act 1

[sullen crown]

Also the fact I was stuck on 6 masks for like 8 hours of my playthrough

[edgy stone]

Mask allocation is odd

A lot of em are like way later than youd expect

[sullen crown]

they give you so many spools

early game but then go reverse

[raven condor]

Idk, I got one in act one, two in act two, and one in act three, seems pretty balanced

Masks that is

I genuinely think they designed this game to progress as if the citadel was the city of tears progression wise, and by the scope of the game, that’s about right.

[sleek lily]

I believe there's a pretty hidden one in the Whiteward

Which people don't get and would get them the 7th mask early on

[raven condor]

Whiteward isn’t that early, when most of the complaints are “six mask don’t do anything against double damage enemies!”

Which show up fully from the second boss in the game onwards

[jolly bane]

are silkeaters limited?

[sleek lily]

There's a way to get more

[runic musk]

Renewable.

[raven condor]

Nah go to the ||Royal waterways|| and a vendor will sell more.

[jolly bane]

the Royal waterways 😭❓

[sleek lily]

It's actually Sinner's Road

[sullen crown]

hey how do you get the white hall spool

[jolly bane]

oh I get it now.

yep I see what you mean there.

I have 4 and I lowk might use one because I lost 500 rosaries 🥀

[sleek lily]

I recommend that this depends on whether you are intending to go back to your coocon or not

Like if you still need to get there, why use it

If you plan on heading somewhere else, use it

[runic musk]

Yea its definitely a qol thing

I do like its animation is slightly different if the ||coccoon is from a cursed death||

[sleek lily]

YEAAAH I FOUND THAT YESTERDAY

I like the little menu animations

Makes the items feel more intersting

[runic musk]

I'm surprised it still works in that condition

[willow flicker]

Damn literally every npc can sing if you play music

And they're songs are different

[frozen hornet]

has anyone found the huntress in act3 after we've completed her quest?
i hope the meat we gave her wasnt for nothing

[sleek lily]

Yeah, you use silk and they sing a song

[runic musk]

Not me personally no

[lost lion]

Elevator needs to be up top while you’re at the bottom

Sorry im going to bed, gl

[jolly bane]

Ooo yikes lowkey spoiled myself 🥀

[jade wigeon]

I just beat grandmama and got the weaver queen ending, where do I go from here. Should I just do sidequests and explore till act 3?

[jolly bane]

that’s my own fault ✌️

[jolly rock]

ive fully beaten the game 100% can i ask some questions to a resident lorehead here

[jade wigeon]

Would you happen to know what I should do after killing grandmother

[jolly rock]

im not sure why youre asking this in the lore channel but i do, ill just DM you

[jade wigeon]

Thanks twin

[white panther]

junior lorehead but please go on 🔥

[jolly rock]

just want to make sure you've fully beaten the game too right

[lost lion]

Self-proclaimed lorehead go on

[lost lion]

99% because my save file is broken, but yep

Have all but 4 journal entries too

[jolly rock]

Summary of the game's narrative as you understand it first

[lost lion]

Starting from before the beginning, dozens or potentially hundreds of haunted pilgrims set out to capture hornet, and bring her to pharloom, the reason for which is not explicitly stated as far as i’ve found or heard so far, which the seal on hornets cage breaks, she escapes, and here there is a bit of divergence depending on if you want the TE route or standard ending route

[trim vapor]

what is the point of this room? am i missing smth or is it just lore that i dont fully understand? if its lore im guessing its to do with ||the dreamers from kollowknight||, but idk

[lost lion]

Needolin

[trim vapor]

yea i did, it just gave a few words which i mentioned what i think they mean but idk

[lost lion]

Pretty much it for that room as dar as I could tell

Anyways back to paragraphs

[trim vapor]

isnt it bc ||mother silk ||wants to harness hornets power and also remove the entire weaver species?

[lost lion]

For the TE route, hornet ventures throughout pharloom, helping all the bugs she comes across and forging friendships and helping pharloom begin recovery from the haunting, culminating into her fighting lace, at which point hornet realizes that she does not want to follow the path of the ruler of pharloom but rather as a savior, and so she goes to the snail shamans, who help her set a trap with the souls they have gathered, and then in the GMS fight, right as hornet sets off the trap, and the void moves to consume GMS, lace knocks hornet out of gms’s grasp and takes her place, causing the trap to go wrong due to gms refusing to die on account of her daughter being consumed by the void if she gives up on life, and I will continue in just a moment

[lost lion]

GMS is never stated to be the one who brought hornet to pharloom, as well as her journal entry suggesting that she’s been “lulled asleep”, so its likely that she’s simply been asleep for a long time and pharloom has beeb degrading due to her sleep causing the haunting

My personal headcanon is that hornet was retrieved to build more architects, as dialogue with the architect heavily implies that only weavers had the ability to create the architects, and without the architects pharloom will grind to a halt, though thats just my speculation

[trim vapor]

but them writing that shes the last of her kind also implies they hunted the rest?

[steady sphinx]

I did witch in act 3 and the spines were in their house after they died

[trim vapor]

which is also all those things in the slab right?

[steady sphinx]

Bit of an old convo, but forgor to respond to this

[sullen crown]

huh

[steady sphinx]

The dice bros in sinners?

[sullen crown]

the dice bros? aren't they the gut fellows

[steady sphinx]

Wait, am I getting them mixed up

[sullen crown]

there is a single pair of npcs in sinners

its the people that give the guts quest and tacks

[steady sphinx]

For the witch crest quest line, you need the spines to cure yourself yeah?

[sullen crown]

yes

[steady sphinx]

And you go to sinners to buy it, but if you do it in act 3, they're gone and you just get the spines in the house

[trim vapor]

from what i understand purely from what ive found and nobody elses opinions, those "prisons" in the slab are all the weavers, maybe from different lands, being the "first of the first, fourth of the twelfth" kinda thing. and theyve all been hunted, and up until now hornet has been the last weaver

[sullen crown]

well i had a friend who didn't even do their initial quest and only found tacks on their dead bodies

or at least that's what he said

[lost lion]

Man i’m never finishing writing out the full narrative am I

[jolly rock]

yo bro lock in ma

[steady sphinx]

What was the original prize for fulfilling their wish again?

[jolly rock]

i havent even begun discussing anything with u cuz u dont finish 😭

[steady sphinx]

The roach meat one right?

[lost lion]

People keep talking to me 😭

[jolly rock]

ignore them

[lost lion]

Hang on lemme boot my pc so I can use my kb itll go faster

[jolly rock]

bet

[floral carbon]

Guys I think I figured it out || the silk makes the song ||

[sullen crown]

tacks

also the cutest thing in the game is the bell beast change my mind

[steady sphinx]

Yeah so no loss letting them just kick it :^)

[sullen crown]

yea but apparently he couldn't get spines then

[steady sphinx]

is it not a reopening game thing to spawn them?

[sullen crown]

i have no idea

i also wonder that like the pin throwing minigame, since its destroyed in act 3 can you just get the tool pouch upgrade for free?

[steady sphinx]

That one I do not know. I bet it's in their room at the top of the destroyed game den?

[craggy wigeon]

is there a lore reason why pharloom's disgusting areas are so much more icky than hallownest

[sullen crown]

probably

[sullen crown]

bug waste got to go somewhere

[steady sphinx]

Isn't everything in Hallownest just dead basically?

[sullen crown]

also hallownest has been degrading for a LOT longer then pharloom

[uncut holly]

I mean in Pharloom we dont have Fluke Marm

[frozen hornet]

guys i realised something:
first sinner
second sentinel

fourth chorus
last judge
Is there a "3rd" something?

[uncut holly]

I think these are all different groups. Like we see the 1st to 3rd Chorus their in the Automaton Workshop

[sullen crown]

Why was the fourth chorus in the far fields though?

I got to say though getting the base speedrun achievement doesn’t seem that hard

[uncut holly]

We also see the other sentinels, their by the second sentinel boss fight. And I think Last Judge is both a reference to the fact their the last robot like them, but also that they are the last challenge before you enter the citadel gates for pilgrims

[dim beacon]

interesting. very interesting. i wonder who is half-wyrm in this game. very interesting. (first image isnt spoiled cause its from hollow knight)

[sullen crown]

Also wtf is the mist in lore

[uncut holly]

Citadel really likes abusing pilgrims, made a giant robot just to make quick first glance judgements of them and beat them into paste if they didnt pass

Hornet is half Wyrm

[dim beacon]

yeah thats what i was saying .. it was a rhetorical question

[vague field]

steel enemies are cut content huh

[sullen crown]

I thought they were steel soul exclusives?

[uncut holly]

I realized that Team Cherry might have done a retcon, or the situation is weird. The White Lady in the original game is terrified of the delicate flowers power and doesnt even want to touch one. While in Silksong they give you one.

[vague field]

i mean idk why people keep saying that when there hasnt been a single screenshot video or account of that being the case

i think they're straight up gone, at least for now

[uncut holly]

It seems they sadly cut alot of the coral place, and also the steel enemies like Steel Assasin Sharpe

We also never got our Lion Village

[sullen crown]

Damn if only we had 3 more years of dev time

[steady sphinx]

Sounds like DLC to me

[lapis geode]

....what?

[sullen crown]

We could have had full areas based around the dreams.

[uncut holly]

If you give team cherry a character DLC to make, the same thing will happen again

Which is a good thing but very long wait

[steady sphinx]

Lace next MC confirmed?

[frozen hornet]

not too sure about that one

[lost lion]

so hornet dives to the abyss, using an old diving bell that breaks partially on the way down, has a conversation with lace's spirit, in which hornet decides that she will not stand by and try to hold pharloom in stasis as she allowed to happen in hallownest, and then hornet escapes the abyss , talks with the snail shamans about her plan to retrieve lace from the void's grasp, which will require using the original everbloom flower, as the passage of time has resulted ini the flowers power being dimished, in order to do so she needs a lot of memory power? (I don't remember the actual name for it its late and i'm tired), which she cannot provide herself due to her needing her mental strength to fight in the void. So she gets information from the snail shamans on locations of some of the ounding beings of pharloom, who's memory is incredibly powerful, and goes and seeks their hearts to fuel the ritual needed to retrieve the everbloom from her memory. in doing so, its revealed that this process will likely cause pharloom to degrade somewhat, as these beings (not to be confused with higher beings, of which it is unclearwhether they are or not) are integral to pharlooms prosperity. After retrieving the hearts, Hornet goes through her memories of life, beginning in deepnest with herrah the beast, then moving on to training the needle under hive queen vespa, and finally into her stepping into her role as a child of the pale beings for a time, and talking to the White lady, who is the one who gives hornet the everbloom. (it has been pointed out to me that it is potentially not a memory at this point but hornet speaking to the actual white lady, as the style of dialogue changes). hornet wakes up, the shamans are dead from the procedure

[uncut holly]

I see

[trim vapor]

whats up with the snail shamans? why do they die after we go in our memories

[sullen crown]

Too much power probably

[lost lion]

she goes back to the abyss with the now funcitonal diving bell, dives beneath the void, cuts the void from laces body, and this allows Grand mother Silk to finally let go of her attachment to life, using the last of her strength to propel Hornet and Lace out of the void, which almost works, they get near the surface, but hornet passes otu from exaustion, being saved by the knight in the from of either the shade lord or the void given focus form, not entirely clear, and then the game ends, hornet and lace survive, and pharloom's collapse is stopped.

theres potential for me to have missed some things there, asa its now 4am for me and i'm pretty damn tired, but thats a basic plot synopsis of the TE route

[sullen crown]

But like I’m kind of sad we didn’t get any collo of fools challenges in this game

[uncut holly]

I do agree that all the hearts dont seem like higher beings. But Nyleth being a heart is very weird, because they are seemingly the original source of all plant life in Pharloom. Its weird that they arent as big of a deal when you fight them to that of Radiance or NKG even though their lesser powered than both

[lost lion]

anything else you wanted @jolly rock

bro mightve gone to sleep

ah whatever I need to sleep as well

[uncut holly]

If we dont count Nyleth as a Higher Being, then Pharloom has two Higher Beings in it. Grand Mother Silk, and Grey Root.

[jolly rock]

I mean I dont think you understood what I asked very well

I may have failed to make myself understood well

[sullen crown]

Feels like they could have done so much more with the coral area place has like only a few items

[jolly rock]

I played teh game, I know that this all happens, I just thought you'd explain the mysteries

[lost lion]

ah you'd have to be more specific on which ones you want to know about

[trim vapor]

it sucks, but lore-wise it makes sense

[uncut holly]

Very sad they cut most of the coral place, and just made it the tower

[hollow nymph]

HORNET IS FROM THE HIVE? or her nail was

[jolly rock]

Let's start with the intention of GMS

[sullen crown]

Yea but your rewards for the zone is a SINGLE TOOL. And crusted nut

[jolly rock]

yes

[hollow nymph]

there are two tools in sands

[sullen crown]

Oh yea ok sorry

[trim vapor]

i mean thecolosseum

[sullen crown]

I still need to grab that one

[hollow nymph]

its very easy to miss

[uncut holly]

Whats interesting is in Hollow Knight we dont know how long the parts of the kingdom held out, all we know is the Mantis's are the only ones still fully around and sane, and some of Deepnest. This gives us an idea that the Bees where probably the last to fall

The Bees locked themselves in, they probably interacted with Hornet whos name is Hornet, because everyone else was dead for the most part

[sullen crown]

You think they will do a similar DLC content with silksong like they did HK?

[hollow nymph]

im sure team cherry is already planning to release dlc soon (8 years)

[uncut holly]

They said DLC is coming but no idea what

[hollow nymph]

how long was it until lifeblood dlc came out from launch?

[uncut holly]

I want them to explain how an entire ocean dries up in a natural mortal life time

[sullen crown]

think we might see the Grimm troupe again?

[hollow nymph]

grimm troupe was also what, a year after release?

[lost lion]

mostly speculation on my part for GMS's role, my personal thoughts are that she's not really in control, it's likely the last true thing she did while fully aware was the creation of Lace, as the journal entry suggests, she's trying to awaken, and the haunting is a result of her slumber, so her intentions in bringing hornet to pharloom probably lie somewhere between a tool to be used to restore her kingdom or a vessel used to reawaken

[uncut holly]

Some how the Sands of Karak dried up along with all the coral stuff, and we dont know how.

[lost lion]

sorry thats not formatted very well

[uncut holly]

I feel like the GMS journal entry will make sense once we understand the Weavers relation to her, and what happened between them

[lost lion]

She seems to have an obsession with "children", as the first sinner says she called them Her children until she abandons them, likely after the creation of lace/other silk based beings

[uncut holly]

Do we know anything about Grey Roots orgin

[lost lion]

unfortunately i'm not familiar with Grey Roots, I meant to do that today but got busy trying to figure out what was wrong with my seve file

[jolly rock]

The problem with this is that Lace was created to be what Hornet is but she couldn't live up to the task so she resents her mother as a result (and hornet)

[lost lion]

what exactly do you mean by what hornet is?

[jolly rock]

I have no clue, thats why Im asking waht her intention is

There seems to be some great conspiracy between the Weavers to create hornet

[lost lion]

i'm not really sure thats true though, In the flashback (at least what I got from it), the weavers weren't really approving of hornet, aside from herrah.

[jolly rock]

they were trying to prepare her for her role

They were all huddling around her expecting greatness from her

[lost lion]

the reason she's brought to pharloom is that she is, in essence, an immortal weaver

[lapis geode]

Just asking:
Is it better to read the tutorial to get the ending I want first, or play blind?
I'm not used to multiple ending game. Everything is fated in my days

[sullen crown]

Play blind

[lost lion]

what exactly they wanted an immortal weaver for is up for debate

[uncut holly]

Going off of interaction dialogue Grey Root, who is a Root and likely a Higher Being like White Lady, wakes up after a long dormant slumber when Hornet enters the room. They then act very suspiciously when you know the context, telling you to get pollips for "the rites" or the preperations. Then eventually you find their root baby that already exists in the world, bring it to them and then they curse you. If you kill GMS with the curse instead of binding GMS Grey Root comes out of you and grabs you and Grand Mother Silk killing you both in a unique ending where the entire Cradle becomes root.

[lost lion]

ohhhhhh thats grey root

[jolly rock]

Are there any male weavers

No right

[sullen crown]

Oh wow that’s kind of crazy, also difficult as it means no healing for the final boss.

[lapis geode]

Silksong is based on weaver spider, right?
The male supposed to be able to make the same quality of web.
But idk if Team Cherry adopted this behavior, or make any Weaver as female.

[lost lion]

likely not, the weavers were created by Grand Mother silk, so as artificially made beings essentially, they were not really made to reproduce

[uncut holly]

I think Grey Root is a twist on White Lady. White Lady was obsessed with making more vessels. Grey Root I think is obssessed with Rebirth and be coming stronger. I think they steal the power of GMS and you, being that you are half Wyrm.

[ivory pagoda]

Is there any point in doing the Whiteward boss?

[jolly rock]

Yeah but the Weavers are not silk based 😵 like lace is at least

[lapis geode]

...THAT LADY IS HAND MADE???
I thought she is.... well, a weaver.

So she's a product?

[uncut holly]

I think you get an important key from white ward boss

[jolly rock]

In fact Hornet expresses immense surprise when she realizes Lace is a pure being of silk

[lost lion]

artificially made is the wrong way to put it

artificially enchanced is probably better

[uncut holly]

The Weavers where made by Grand Mother Silk, we see Grand Mother Silk turn a normal bug into a Weaver

[lapis geode]

OooooOoooohhh...
Like research or through certain brutal ritual?

[sly quail]

why is it called silk when it should be webbing. silk is from worms not spiders

[jolly rock]

where

[uncut holly]

At the end of First Sinners fight

[lost lion]

first sinner cutscene

[sullen crown]

Ik what you are talking about

[jolly rock]

first sinner has a cutscene?

[uncut holly]

After the fight yeah

[jolly rock]

huh

[lost lion]

gms pushes silk into a bug/small spider, and this causes them to grow into a weaver

[sullen crown]

And then you get rune rage

[jolly rock]

can you post it, i never saw it

That's interesting, okay, so again back to this idea of a grand conspiracy

[sly quail]

GMS when Silkworm Clan pulls up with a cease and desist letter

[sullen crown]

I’m still missing the blades pointing down silk ability

[uncut holly]

https://youtu.be/5Rxixmm1v_4?t=271

[sullen crown]

And im in act 3

[lost lion]

you get it in act 3

[sullen crown]

You hwat

I’m just gonna assume you get it as the story progresses

[lost lion]

i'm assuming you're talking about the silk spears right?

[sullen crown]

Yep definitely

[lost lion]

nope. I got as my 97th percent

[jolly rock]

@lost lion Why do you not think theres some conspiracy here? All the places where you bind your skills literally speak of you as if you're a prophetic being that they were trying to create.

[sullen crown]

Where is it then?

[uncut holly]

I do wish some of the foundational lore in SilkSong was better told to the player. Like the fact that Hornet being part Weaver can bind memories to themself, gaining their power. They are binding the memories of deceased things to themself all game.

[lost lion]

spoiler or hint?

[uncut holly]

They also can bind GMS Silk. Which gives them intermissions with them, but initially youd think its Weavers

[sullen crown]

Hint: like Verdania?

[lost lion]

Hint: somewhere in the upper citadel, a passage is visible on the map.

[sullen crown]

Oh cradle?

I thought that was just for mister mushroom

[lost lion]

sorry I got sidetracked. I'm of the opinion that these weaver structures were not necessarily locked to just hornet, but rather any "first generation" weavers that appeared

[sleek lily]

anyone kind enough to give me a clue on this?

[lost lion]

look for holes in ceilings

[sleek lily]

I'm a 92%

[sullen crown]

The key for it is in whiteward

[sleek lily]

Thanks guys

[lapis geode]

Aight.
Imma continue explorind the citadel. Things got too interesting especially when I
correctly guessed that the sinner here is unnatural.

Like dude, look at the range of the silk that able to manipulate ppl. It's supposed to be NOT THAT FAR.
Also, any tips what I should focus on?

[sullen crown]

Ngl the amount of areas unlocked by deciding the wall jump up a random add wall is so annoying

[lapis geode]

Also, Widow is kinda cool eventhough her ability is kinda close range

[sullen crown]

Do wishes as soon as you get them, except for gourmand? That can wait

[uncut holly]

Actually The Father of the Flame might be a higher being of sorts? On the lowest of the spectrum

[lapis geode]

I know there's some wished that heavily effect the surrounding, like in bone village.
So they're significant, huh...

[sullen crown]

Basically anything on the wish wall should be done

[jolly rock]

They spoke of a person who would take back their kingdom, it seems to me that they were trying to kill their creator

It was prophetic in writing not general

[lapis geode]

Even getting the blue liquid?
Eghhh

oh. ON THE WALL.

[sullen crown]

Well okay how far are you in citadel?

[sleek lily]

Found the entrance, so it is locked to ||Act 3||...

[uncut holly]

How the Radiance was created is iffy but there was one interpretation that saw them as a deified moth person, who then became the patron and eventually seen as the creator of the moths. That would make The Father of the Flame a beginning stage of someone becoming deified if it even works like that

[lapis geode]

Already met Lace (not fighting, just talking) and succesfully get out from that brutal place.
I want to get in again, while Idk if I'm ready

[sullen crown]

Do all the songclave wishes

[lapis geode]

ALL???
ok

[sullen crown]

There will be multiple sets

[lapis geode]

I'll skip searching for blue liquid

[sullen crown]

Wait do you even know what songclave is

Cause this chat is filled with spoilers

[lapis geode]

Relax...
I don't even scroll up.

and Idk what "clave" means anyway

[sullen crown]

Ok so

[lost lion]

It's also likely (at least in my head) that these tablets which grant these skills are likely not just objects, probably have at least some form of consciousness, as many of them seem to be too specific for prophecy, as those are typically much more vague, as well as Eva's existence suggesting some pretty interesting weaver abilities.

[sullen crown]

Well ermm progress through citadel for rn

You are far from done

[uncut holly]

Hey so back on Grey Root, the ending where you beat GMS Cursed is called "The Rite of Rebirth" ending. Meaning that it is probably correct how Grey Root is an inversion on White Lady, who wants to rebirth themself stronger using other gods.

[lapis geode]

DEM

[lost lion]

sorry i'm taking a really long time with these responses i'm struggling to write I think its time for bed for me

[sleek lily]

wait the key isn't here?

[sullen crown]

Nope

It’s behind a random breakable wall found after jumping through a hole in the ceiling.

[jolly rock]

All of them have the same structure except Eva though

[sullen crown]

Are we talking about the bound weavers?

[lost lion]

You are talking about the weavnest or the places grantin silk skills or upgrades

[jolly rock]

Eva structurally talks with you like a person, the places granting silk skills say a very short a message to you

its not conversational

They don't even ask anything about you, they already KNOW you

[high bane]

One of the Weavers is called the "Weaver of Time" in their effigy, prophecy wouldn't be the strangest thing for them to do.

[lost lion]

Right, one of the major forces in silksong, or at least in act 3, is memory, so it would make sense for the weavers to know of this and utilize it, potentially making these places that can, for lack of a better word, jog your memory, remember, these arent abilities that hornet is acquiring for the first time, she’s remembering how she once was before her weakening in pharloom

These words don’t necessarily come from the tablets but could also be just what hornet needs to hear to regain her strength

[sullen crown]

The only one I don’t get is sharp dart then

Cause thread storm and the throw are skills she uses IN hollow knight

Rune rage is from first sinner who more imparts their own power

[lost lion]

Sharp dart?

[sullen crown]

Yea the skill where she turns into a spear and goes forward

[lost lion]

Ah

I’m pretty sure thats just a reskin of her dash attack in hk

Just cooler now

[sullen crown]

Hmmmmmm

Then what about the silk spear ability

[lost lion]

Thats from gms’s arm sooo

Not really comparable

[sullen crown]

Ok so the only one that makes no sense with that theory is sharp dart at least in my opinion.

[sleek lily]

Curious, is ||the unraveled|| bossfight tied to ||Act 3||?

[sullen crown]

Don’t think so

[lost lion]

Not really

[sullen crown]

You just need to get grapple throw

Which is found in citadel

[lost lion]

I’d love to keep debating, but unfortunately I have class tomorrow and its pushing 5 am now

[sleek lily]

Harpoon is found after whiteward so you need to go to underworks and come back to whitewardç

[sullen crown]

This is like the third time you’ve said you should sleep

[lost lion]

Its fr this time I swear

[outer stump]

You've just got to do the thing where you lie there for an hour and then give up and come back online first.

[sullen crown]

Can’t you access underworks right as soon as you enter citadel or can you not make it to grapple until you go through whiteward.

The mist has got to be the most cool experience for a new player imo

Especially if they find it in act 1

[high bane]

I'm most curious about Pharloom's leadership timeline. To the best of my knowledge there were a few different rulers around, then at some point the Weavers were in charge and constructed or aided in constructing the Citadel around Silk, and eventually after that Silk woke up and took control from them.

[sleek lily]

so that was a fucking lie

[sullen crown]

Evil ass robot

Takes my rosaries

[sleek lily]

wait I destroyed it and it still has dialogue

[sullen crown]

Oh yea it does

Isn’t it more broken now though

[sleek lily]

I think so?

I'm going to get the beta version now

got them all

btw is this only for getting their hunter journal? i freed these guys and i didn't get anything from them

their room is also locked now in ||Act 3||

[frozen hornet]

guys is herrah a weaver?
i'm seeing people on a post saying that she was just a "common bug"

[uncut holly]

In Red Memory how old is Hornet if Hornet is fighting Hive Queen Vespa and she is that size, around that time. She grows enormous and then cant leave her hive because she cant move out of it, eventually she dies of natural causes.

So how old would that make Hornet

Also Vespa knew about Weavers

Also White Lady talks as actual White Lady in Hornets memory and breaks the fourth wall, telling her to take it and accomplish her goals

[pine vapor]

Yea I watch red memory video thought it was pop v2

Crazy lore

[open dragon]

After finishing the final act in this game, i have a good feeling all the Hollow Knight lore channels, especially Mossbag, are gonna have the biggest field day to have ever field day'd lmao

[uncut holly]

Theres still somethings we just dont understand, like what the heck dried up the Coral Desert

[sleek lily]

I feel like the importance of Red Memory is Hornet forgiving the Pale King and the White Lady for their vessel plan as now she empathises with them.

[uncut holly]

The biggest mystery right now, that I havent really seen answered is what caused the falling out with Grand Mother Silk and the Weavers. We have a few things it could be, the creation of EVA, or them not liking the practices of the Citadel. But the weavers seem to have started the Citadel at first

[sleek lily]

What is Eva implied to be? I understand Phantom is an early attempt at creating something like Lace

[open dragon]

I may have missed like a small tablet we could read at the Sand Karek biome

[uncut holly]

EVA is the weavers own attempt to make life, as far as I know. They are said to be a extremely powerful higher being like figure, in a form too fragile to sustain them

[alpine spruce]

Wait does SS take place in one of the HK's endings or all of it?

[uncut holly]

Is there anything that says how it was done? The ocean drying up?

[open dragon]

Im still sad they cut out the water biome :(

[uncut holly]

Yeah them cutting coral caves is sad, and we see a ton of enemies that would have gone there

[open dragon]

Theres always the DLC packs right?

[sleek lily]

Why would they do such thing? They can reproduce, right?

[uncut holly]

Im pretty sure SS is post Godhome ending, or the normal true ending

[alpine spruce]

Underwater combat bouta go nuts

[open dragon]

Team Cherry says they'll be doing DLCs for Silksong so i hope they the biome back in

[alpine spruce]

Op still gotta dig through godmaster yet

[uncut holly]

I dunno but the Weavers did make EVA. Also the Weavers can reproduce but where seemingly made by Grand Mother Silk

[open dragon]

Thats twice now that they cut out potentially swimming gameplay :')

[south ember]

I just did the Lost Lace ending, so SS is like, 100% a sequel huh

[uncut holly]

Yup its probably the Shade Lord Godhome ending

You see Shade Lords face pop up briefly in the meeting with The Knight

[south ember]

That’s my guess as well

[uncut holly]

Which means the Hollow Knight is alive and in Hollownest

[south ember]

That’s cool, I wonder what they’d be doing

[hard scarab]

Unique interraction if you (alternate ending spoiler) ||go to Eva while cursed||

[uncut holly]

I mean the Hollow Knight is on a different level of dangerous than The Knight, so Hollownest is probably safe

[sleek lily]

Is Soulsteel completely gone from the game?

[uncut holly]

Eyyyyyyyyyy. Was talking about Grey Root they are absolutely the same type of creature as White Lady

I believe at some point EVA is called a higher being with too fragile a form to do anything.

[open dragon]

I was freaking the fuck out when Little Ghost appears and he like transforms into the Shade Lord

Little babey is a fucking god!!!

[uncut holly]

Grey Root is extremely powerful, and is definitely a Higher Being. They seem to be an inversion of what the White Lady does, instead of creating things they are obssessed with rebirth, and becoming stronger by rebirthing themself from other gods.

[south ember]

Same, also more confirmation that they do have feelings and emotions since they cared enough for her to saved Hornet

[open dragon]

I wonder how they're doing back at Hallownest when Hornet gets kidnapped? Lol

[uncut holly]

Grey Root has an entire ending too them where if you beat Grand Mother Silk, Grey Root restrains both you and GMS before you even get a chance to bind them, and then kills you both, turning the entire citadel to root.

[open dragon]

I imagine the Hollow Knight playing with Elder bug or smth lol

[south ember]

Oh fr? That’s interesting

[open dragon]

Pretty confirms that the true ending and the godhome ending are canon!

[uncut holly]

Yep, they are ridiculously powerful and very murderous. After we get cursed we see the Soul Sanctum level of bodies stuck in their root walls in their basement

[open dragon]

I looked it up on youtube and omg it was freaky af

Looks like something out of Alien

[uncut holly]

I really wonder whats their relation to Pharloom as a place, as they are definitely equal level with Grand Mother Silk and have just been ignoring them up to this point. Supposedly they where asleep before you show up to them

Infact when you do first meet them, they start listing what you are, before realizing your half Wyrm. If they didnt realize your a Wyrm and that they could use you, they probably would have just killed you like the people in their basement

From the looks of it, Grey Root infects gods, and rebirths itself through them to become stronger.

[open dragon]

Im glad she took the baby away from my pocket, the little guy's cute but like pls stop, im not ready to be a mom

I had a fucking Russel from Up moment during Act 3

When i got rescued by the bell beast and her little babies pop out and all of us sang, i got the beastling call and i read it as, he's a mom???

[sleek lily]

what the fuck, any clue?

[uncut holly]

I think you can hit that

[sleek lily]

I'm going crazy since the beggining of the game

[slate moon]

Why are trees so weird in this universe 💔

[open dragon]

First White Lady now Grey Root lmao

[sleek lily]

It's like I'm missing something here

[uncut holly]

I dunno but their the same type of Root creature as White Lady. They are probably a Pale Being because White Lady is one, and are ridiculously powerful likely on level with White Lady minus the power limiting and being passive.

[slate moon]

Also why are there like 8 diff areas that you can only access by going to some obscure corner of a room 💔

im looking at u bilewater

[uncut holly]

I dont know why they had a kid though, but it seems they do this type of thing often due to EVA's response, where they will infect people kill them and come back stronger.

[sleek lily]

Dude the ducts are only found because of that merchant quest

[slate moon]

White Lady was a freak

[sullen crown]

The path to that flea starts in the fast travel room

[uncut holly]

I cant argue with that, yeah they where

Both Root things are freaks

[slate moon]

At least she took care of hornet to some degree (i think?)

[sleek lily]

just found it, what the fuck

[sullen crown]

My exact reaction when I found it too

[slate moon]

Someone run a count of how many unmarked hidden walls and hidden areas there are in the game

[sullen crown]

There is a metric fuck ton

[slate moon]

Ts gotta be in the thousands

[open dragon]

Omg i remembered the whole Hornet was raised by 3 queens lore back in Hollow Knight but it got scrapped, and it was later reintroduced in Silksong, making it canon aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

AND BABY HORNET, SHE SO BABEYYYYY

[sullen crown]

A whole ass silk heart is hidden behind a missing ceiling then a breakable fucking wall

[open dragon]

Welcome to Hollow Knight lol

[slate moon]

Hornet was raised by midwife, pale lady and someone else i thought

[slate moon]

Pardon?

[sullen crown]

Bro I don’t remember hollow knight being this bad

[slate moon]

HK was NOT as bad as ss is with walls

[tulip bluff]

how to reach act 3?

[sullen crown]

Then again I played after the many updates where information was very easy to get.

[open dragon]

Watch your tone mister 👁️ 👁️ /j

[midnight vault]

Guys Im reading the journal and noticing hornet really likes fluffy things lol

[slate moon]

preeetty sure you gotta complete all the wishes idr

[sullen crown]

Yep

[slate moon]

She likes fluffy large creatures

[open dragon]

I agree, those giant moss grubs look really soft and cuddly, i agree with her tho, wish it wasnt so spikey

[slate moon]

Large flea is particularly liked

[open dragon]

I like that the Large Flea was like a mini boss lol

[sullen crown]

Can we just say though that bell beast is the cutest thing team cherry has come up with

[midnight vault]

Ngl I'd hug one of the moss bugs from greenpath theyre adorable

[slate moon]

Large flea almost ran the fade with me im ngl 💔

[sullen crown]

I don’t remember a large flea I might have dementia

[midnight vault]

Counterpoint ||Babies||

[uncut holly]

tbh when in Red Mist I almost lost it at the White Palace section thinking we were gonna see Hornet talk with Pale King

[sullen crown]

||The bell beast includes the bell babies||

[slate moon]

Hornet sprint + a+d

Or joystick right left

[sullen crown]

Sorry no

[open dragon]

I remember fighting this guy named Seth while trying to get to Nyleth, if i remember this guy was important in the Hollow Knigjt community?

[sullen crown]

The way they stomp their feet when you go afk to get hornets attention

[slate moon]

Some dude named seth

[open dragon]

I mean, Seth is a cool name tho

[sleek lily]

I believe that's Seth Goldman, who couldn't make it to Silksong release and TC had him design a character

That's the final name on the credits also

[sullen crown]

The fact when you use V they roar back and the fact you can come back to them NAPPING

It’s so adorable!

[open dragon]

Oh...now im sad

[slate moon]

And then you hit them in the face 20 times

[sullen crown]

I would never

[open dragon]

Was Seth a kickstarter backer?

[tulip bluff]

do i need to complete this to unlock act 3 ?

[sleek lily]

I don't think so, let me look for the reddit post

[slate moon]

devs confirmed that it’s petting and that it doesnt harm the bellbeast

[sullen crown]

Nope thank god

[tulip bluff]

phew

[sullen crown]

They did?

[slate moon]

Dear god

[slate moon]

Ya

[midnight vault]

Team Cherry is EVIL for making it have 3 health AND taking 2 damage from literally everything

like just make it the delicate flower at that point

[slate moon]

The Radiance does the same damage as half the pharloom enemies btw

[sullen crown]

Honestly though as long as you make it to mountain it should be smooth sailing from there

[open dragon]

And he never did....but at least Seth actually made it in the game as a fun cool boss...

[tulip bluff]

[slate moon]

sorry but nothing is gonna hit the same as the boss in Failed Organ

[sleek lily]

Yes, even though Seth seems to be reworked for the final game. I believe he was actually going to be fought in the Citadel.

[midnight vault]

Hornet 2?

[sullen crown]

Phantom? Shit is a surreal experience

[slate moon]

Hornet, Hornet edition

[sullen crown]

Also it’s exhaust organ if I got it right

[open dragon]

The silver lining was at least when you reach the Whiteward, there is a tool that can make healing faster, but its not like the speed during the beginning trailers, its a little faster, Multi bind makes healing finally duable lmao

[midnight vault]

Phantom showed up, died, and gave me the anti duelist ability gotta love it

[sleek lily]

Seth was supposed to be an NPC found in the cut barnacle area.

[open dragon]

Girly pop, plays the organ, says nothing, beefs with Hornet, dies like a shakespear character

What a diva

[slate moon]

Injector + multibind 😍

[midnight vault]

cut?

[west stream]

in the end, was there any relation to HK in silksong? I'm barely finishing act 1 but just curious

[midnight vault]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[slate moon]

Ah barnacles

[sullen crown]

But like the journey of sinners road into the mist into phantom just to show up in the fucking citadel was crazy when I did it cause that’s how I got to citadel

[sleek lily]

Yeah, barnacle area is gone from the game. There's the electry barnacle subarea in Sands though

[midnight vault]

I didnt know you could shortcut that

[open dragon]

But he's found in Act 3 guarding one of the mandatory story quests, honestly him as a boss is better than nothing, happy Team Cherry acknowledge him

[midnight vault]

Have you done the act 3 stuff yet?

[slate moon]

Like in the memorium?

[sullen crown]

It’s why I think the 5 hour speedrun won’t be that bad

[slate moon]

5 hour speedrun all acts

[open dragon]

Speaking of, omg yeah the barnacle area, that was also scrapped

[sleek lily]

No

[midnight vault]

Because my king should not be disrespected

[slate moon]

oh

[sleek lily]

Yeah

[slate moon]

So it IS like in the memorium, just its own area

[midnight vault]

idk I considered the coral king and sands the extent of it

[sleek lily]

Correct!

[midnight vault]

Told the story it needed

[slate moon]

So why did you say no silly goose

[sullen crown]

I’m so sad the coral area is gone it seems like it would have been really cool

[open dragon]

Why tf do they cut out the cool water biomes in favor of FUCKING BILEWATER AND THAT OTHER SEWER BIOME WHATS IT CALLED???

[sleek lily]

cause the Memorium part is only there because Voltnest exists

[sullen crown]

This is what happens when team cherry doesn’t have enough dev time

[open dragon]

I want the beautiful colorful coral biome man 😭

[open dragon]

Brother they had 7 years

[west stream]

was there any conenction or reference to HK in silksong?

[sullen crown]

It’s sarcasm

[midnight vault]

We dont talk about Bile Water around here

[sullen crown]

Fucking maggots

[open dragon]

A

[open dragon]

Literally 💀

[midnight vault]

Team Cherry saw Blighttown and said "We can do better"

[west stream]

genuinely hoping they do a dlc with extra content

[slate moon]

Dookie land made it in but water world didn’t💔

[west stream]

and not actually make it into a new fkng game jsjsj

[sullen crown]

Thankfully I didn’t die on the Bilewater boss fight

[sleek lily]

The barnacle area was also supposed to have it's own town I guess with this dude (which probably was another Snail Shaman)

[sullen crown]

So no dumb run back for me

[midnight vault]

Still wondering where Lion Village is

I was promised it full of Lions

[open dragon]

I would pay extra for the coral biome and barnacle town coming back with like 10 new bosses honestly

[sullen crown]

I don’t think it exists

[slate moon]

too many wishes to do tbh, are the board wishes the only ones necessary for act 3?

[sullen crown]

Think so

[distant briar]

I think it will probably be a dlc

would make sense

[open dragon]

Paid or free?

[sullen crown]

The wish part only seems like it will be an issue for 100% speedrun

Cause wishes aren’t really that bad

[distant briar]

who knows

[sleek lily]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[sullen crown]

Free probably

[sullen crown]

Wait she’s dead?

[distant briar]

wait I get his shit for free?

[sullen crown]

You probably still got to craft it

[sleek lily]

This actually happens when you get everything

[open dragon]

I actually really like this dude

[sleek lily]

I got this from the corpse

[midnight vault]

MY KING

[open dragon]

Sucks his fight is stupid easy compare to everyone else