sk-lore

[pallid iron]

I agree w this

[frozen hornet]

although it would be cool af to imagine her being all higher-being powerful
but i doubt the hornet we know made it through
and regardless, pharloom was absolutely fucked

[cold axle]

i mean, she isn't far from it

[jolly trout]

i think she maybe lost the half wyrm part, thereby making her full weaver

[cold axle]

she's immortal, has like three different kinds of magic powers, is basically unmatched in bladework, and is a demigod

sure she's not the physical manifestation of the abyss or some shit, but

[jolly trout]

but the important thing i think is it seems like she has free will. The higher beings all seem like they don't. Like they are tied to their one specific purpose

[frozen hornet]

i recall a dicussion she had with the caretaker, when she mentions part of her blood had some thirst for this power

[heavy mirage]

I was inspired by a normal endin during the first playthrough of the game.

[cold axle]

okay...last two journal entries

anyone know what the fuck these are?

[jolly trout]

yeah, the wyrm part of her lusts for power

which tells us that wyrms are born to rule.

[pallid iron]

Unrelated question but did TC cut Huntress from the game

[jolly trout]

nope. she's in Bilewater

[pallid iron]

I couldn't find her

[pallid iron]

ah ok haven't been there

[golden estuary]

PSA if you wish to unlock the ability to SHAW you must first beat silksong's eqvilent path of pain. It is known as "PATH OF DISPAIR" when you reach the end you must then insert 2394 rosary beads into the machine to unlock the ability to SHAW.

[frozen hornet]

not technically in bilewater

[cold axle]

yeah, technically she's past it in the ducts

but you can get there from bilewater

[jolly trout]

ah i hadn't noticed the area shift

[versed reef]

To anyone who has played Silksong to great length (speedrun, completion, discovered majority of the map, etc.), if Lifeblood plays a significant role or if it’s given more insight in Silksong , please DM me 🙏

[jolly trout]

it has some mentions and stuff tied to it, but there hasn't been any super duper large revalations

may possibly be dlc thing

we know it's extremely parasitic

[hallow shore]

Why the DM though?

[golden estuary]

have you been to the wormways?

[versed reef]

Because I’m saving myself from spoilers, but I’m also writing content on lifeblood and needed to know what more info Silksong provided.

[cold axle]

lol

[frozen hornet]

technically it being|| as infectious as the radiance infection|| is a pretty large revelation

[jolly trout]

fair

[versed reef]

This would’ve been the ONE spoiler I’d welcome 😅

[frozen hornet]

ur free to click then ;)

[jolly trout]

it's far more malicious than it seems in hollow knight

[frozen hornet]

yeah
and it probably explains why the PK banned it in hallownest

[cold axle]

i wouldn't say malicious, necessarily, just uh. problematic

we don't know if it has a will of its own atm

unless needolin thoughts contradict me, which they may

[hallow shore]

Well I wouldn't say it's that bad. The Radiance is like an omnipresent dream infection that basically gets you if you think about it too hard, meanwhile Lifeblood seems to work through actual physical transmission and is therefor much easier to contain/eradicate

[jolly trout]

i'm hoping we find out from a dlc more about the beast in the back of Lifeblood core

and that may tell us

[cold axle]

samesies

i really want lifeblood lore and coral/verdania content

[frozen hornet]

true, it's not like radiance
lifeblood infected being kinda just chose to spread it
while the infection is directly commanded by a hivemind

[jolly trout]

verdania was a really fun area

the boss fight there was a really cool thing

[foggy fractal]

which room is this guy in

[frozen hornet]

also lifeblood infected beings directly become new lifeblood sources
like we've seen with the scientist guy

[cold axle]

yeah, it might be directed and malicious, but we don't know for sure

[jolly trout]

i still havent made my way back up to him since ||wormways was infected||

[cold axle]

i loved it dearly and really hope we get to revitalize some of the ruined areas somehow

[frozen hornet]

i wouldnt say "malicious"
it's this kind of "we feel like it's good to be like us, so we make more people like us"

[versed reef]

I just defeated the Bell Beast. I’m crazy late to this game.
Am I far from the lifeblood info?
This is exciting haha

[frozen hornet]

preeety far

[eager marsh]

||grand mother silk is the mother of widow|| 🤯

[frozen hornet]

and even further from the big reveals related to that

[eager marsh]

just realised

[jolly trout]

i would say not super far, i found it pretty early into act 1. all depends how you use your keys.

[cold axle]

there is stuff immediately. it's very minimal

[frozen hornet]

how directly tho
how many weavers generations were there

[cold axle]

there is much more important information once you hit true ending content

[jolly trout]

true yeah

[eager marsh]

idk but widow says something about doing something for her mother before fighting hornet i think

[mighty void]

SORRY

DID THEY JUST CONFIRM ||THE DAUGHTER OF 3 QUEENS THING???||

god i cant type for the life of me

[cold axle]

yeah, in a couple places

[jolly trout]

yuuuuupp. keep playing.

[mighty void]

i just unlocked ||Act 3|| so i still have that to do

[heavy mirage]

Heh!

[mighty void]

i think you need to do the courier quests for it

25 fleas all town quests and courier

[jolly trout]

you do not need to do all the courier quests

[cold axle]

it seems to be completion%-based

[frozen hornet]

because let's assume Silk is also the mother of Herrah
that means that Lace is the "Sister" of Herrah
and thus, Lace is Hornet's Aunt

[jolly trout]

only one i had done was the rasher delivery

[mighty void]

i completed all town quests and fleatopia and it didn't appear

then i did all the deliveries and it appeared

the quest i mean

[cold axle]

this is just all unsubstantiated assumptions

[eager marsh]

i dont see anything wrong with that 🙂

[frozen hornet]

yes lol
we dont know how many generations there is between the first weavers and herrah

i'm just goofin

[jolly trout]

i've heard everyone has done different things, hence the completion % based assumption

[frozen hornet]

i know what kind of man you are

[eager marsh]

wat

[mighty void]

that could be true

[jolly trout]

for me the last thing i did was finding the third silkheart

[frozen hornet]

i dont think it's % related
hornet and the caretaker had a few exchanges about very specific events that hornet went through
like the soul of the guy behind the frog boss
beating lace
basically some key events

[spark valve]

unless you were checking constantly last thing you did isn't necessarily what unlocked it

[mighty void]

oh yeah i still have to find that

[frozen hornet]

although doing all deliveries definitely was needed somehow

[jolly trout]

i was lol

[spark valve]

it's definitely not seeker's soul as a requisite I saw somebody get the quest and not have it

[mighty void]

oh yeah what do i do with that soul btw

[jolly trout]

Literally checked the bellhart board after everything i did xD

[cold axle]

based

[spark valve]

deliveries are also not needed

[frozen hornet]

useful for act3

[mighty void]

i cant use it yet then?
alright

[pastel parrot]

lmk if this is known already, but this implies lace and phantom are of the same origin

[spark valve]

this is known yeah

[foggy fractal]

what a bad mum

[frozen hornet]

definitely, although phantom probably was some "prototype"

[mighty void]

let me do the silk and song (they said the thing) quest and i'll refight the final boss

[pastel parrot]

I almost contributed

[mighty void]

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT PHANTOM WAS COMICALLY TINY

[frozen hornet]

it's silk and soul cx

[mighty void]

i hate my stupid baka life

[foggy fractal]

alright chat favourite theme from the entire sound track go

[mighty void]

i was expectinbg bro to be a lil bit bigger

[mighty void]

bitch idk the names

lace 2 fight theme

[frozen hornet]

holy damn Silk's screams are horrifying

[jolly trout]

Trobbio Refight.

[mighty void]

btw was gassomer storm a fanmade name or

[spark valve]

It was

[pastel parrot]

as much as I hate bilewater, good sounds

[queen pawn]

What hollow knight ending does silksong start with?
Or is it ambiguous?

[pastel parrot]

ambiguous

[icy sinew]

Dream No More ending seems to be the canon one, now my copium is being guided to "Hollow is out looking for us"

[queen pawn]

Do we learn later on?

[spark valve]

EtV or dream no more ambiguous between the two

[queen pawn]

Personally I like the delicate flower

[pastel parrot]

oh yeah cause ||tk can't be locked in black egg since it appears in true ending as a shade||

[icy sinew]

Yeah base Dream No More or Pantheon

[hallow shore]

Actually in the true ending you see a brief flash of the Shade Lord (or whatever he's called) from the Godseeker ending, implying that one to be the true ending

Makes sense since that ending is the "The Radiance is super duper absolutely dead for real this time" ending

[frozen hornet]

WHERE IS SHE
||WHERE IS THE HUNTRESS||
TELL ME SHE'S ALRIGHT

[icy sinew]

Just got up to the main area of the Citadel

[spark valve]

She’s dead in both endings

[icy sinew]

For reference

[spark valve]

And if the intent was for EtV to be the clear one it wouldn’t show up in the dnm form primarily and never actually take the EtV one

[pastel parrot]

also we saw shade lord in the void, where he lives
he shouldn't need to be released for that

[foggy fractal]

||she's dead||

[spark valve]

The shade lord is the knight it’s not a different entity being released

[pastel parrot]

I'm headcanoning dream no more because it gives tk more of a reason to help hornet out of the void, since she helped save the shades and all

[frozen hornet]

||noooooo
do you see her corpse?||

[spark valve]

it’s also just the better ending

[spark valve]

Her kids probably ate her

[foggy fractal]

I did her quest before and only got back to her in ||act 3||, ||she's dead and theres one of her children there||

[paper swallow]

finally 🥹 no spoiler tag cz if ur here u should have by now beaten the game te

[frozen hornet]

b-but we gave her lots of meat precicely to avoid that ;^;

[spark valve]

Did you not complete the quest prior to act 3

[foggy fractal]

nope

[spark valve]

Like did you turn it in

[foggy fractal]

nope

[spark valve]

Ok so she might live if you do the delivery

I could check actually

[pastel parrot]

one thing that confuses me is the horns - do tk's horns look like that while in shade form?

[frozen hornet]

oh, i did it
so maybe she's till alive :')
somewhere

need to find

[pastel parrot]

looks like the hollow knight's horns, but we know it can't be

[spark valve]

yes the horns are inconsistent

[stone stone]

the room right above this bench in blasted steps

[paper swallow]

guys waht should i do after i finish the game te

[foggy fractal]

I got the quest in act 2 and got back to her in act 3
she's dead and one of her children is there talking about how their siblings fed and grew while they got nothing
which in turn led me to give that kid the meat instead

[spark valve]

I'm gonna check if she's alive

[unborn night]

Act 2 ||So like. Trobbio is definitely a Grimm troupe member yeah||

[spark valve]

nope still gone

[spark valve]

he is not

[frozen hornet]

we have grimm troupe at home:

[unborn night]

He's just like that???

[unborn night]

Nah cuz like. Red color scheme. Going on about how a performance will save a dying kingdom. He checks the boxes

[spark valve]

the troupe doesn't save dying kingdoms with a performance

[unborn night]

He could just be like. Lying

[frozen hornet]

there's no corpse, so i choose to believe she's alive

[unborn night]

I wouldn't put it past the troupe to lie to people about their goal

[spark valve]

they're very forthright about their goal but the troupe also isn't there

he's just not part of the troupe none of what has to happen for the ritual to work is happening

[unborn night]

Huh

So he really is just. Like that lmao

[paper swallow]

its already confirmed hornet was trained in the hive

[spark valve]

it wasn't confirmed before silksong

[paper swallow]

yea

[paper swallow]

plz bring back grimm troupe 😢

shit took me long enough

[spark valve]

it would make very little sense to have the troupe come back given that hornet saves the kingdom from destruction

[foggy fractal]

we're gonna get another troupe in dlc TRUST.

[frozen hornet]

really, what is there left tho
bone bottom is gone, the citadel is in chaos, bellheart kept being broken and destroyed and the rest isnt really habitable

[naive cargo]

I mean there’s still pilgrims

[spark valve]

there's a bunch of bugs left they're going to rebuild eventually

also that's just explicitly the whole point of act 3

[pastel parrot]

hornet wanted a partner!!

but she's too old

[spark valve]

hagnet

[foggy fractal]

some of my favourite themes were karmelita's, grand mother silk's, lost lace's and

actually the whole sound track is HEAT

[spark valve]

karmelita's theme wasn't flamenco enough so I was kind of disappointed tbh

[foggy fractal]

the groal one went crazy for no reason

[spark valve]

fym there weren't castanets in it

[foggy fractal]

I still need to find 6 tools and a spool spindle wtfff

[desert spoke]

finally 100% took me almost 40hours

[frozen hornet]

more than that
she has had partners, but saw them die of old age

[rocky kindle]

Did we know the bees and the weavers were close before Silksong?

[cold axle]

damn, less than me

i'm still working on the non-% stuff like the mementos and journal

[spark valve]

no and it actively contradicts what we were told about the hive

[rocky kindle]

How so?

[spark valve]

they're explicitly extremely isolationist and had totally closed borders

[rocky kindle]

Didn't that happen after the infection?

[spark valve]

no

[open dragon]

Do the doctors in Whiteward not have anathesia when performing surgeries because what the actual fuck???????

[rocky kindle]

Wonder if we'll learn more about it in the dlcs

[vivid kernel]

Question does silksong have something like colosseum of fool
If it does where it is and what's it's name???

[rocky kindle]

Hornet both trained with them and they made her needle. Seems like they were invested in her

[frozen hornet]

does that exist in this world

[rocky kindle]

I don't believe so

[frozen hornet]

sadly no
no ez money farming

[warm karma]

I mean we these isolationist societies weren’t opposed to dealing with outsiders. Both deepnest and the mantis made deals with the pale king so perhaps the hive was similar?

I do wish we saw pale king (or at least heard his voice) in the memory tho

[spark valve]

deepnest is an exceptional case and the mantis deal was "you leave us alone and we'll just leave you alone"

maybe the weavers somehow had something vespa needed

whatever it isn't really explained but who cares

[warm karma]

Mantises was “keep the spiders out of hallownest and we will leave you alone”

[spark valve]

which they were already doing

[reef jetty]

[errant shuttle]

What is the max percent you can get

[uncut holly]

I have an idea on the current timeline but I might be wrong.

[severe sparrow]

just got to act 3, did the soul snare trap summon the void?

[spark valve]

it more created a portal to it

[uncut holly]

Wait is this any spoiler goes on this channel?

[severe sparrow]

yea, i checked the pins to be sure

[drowsy mortar]

100%

The only reason HK goes over is because DLC

[drowsy mortar]

Yes

[uncut holly]

Also something I dont think anyones mentioned, is the Nameless Town atop of Pharloom was probably the town that got ascended into Weavers when Grand Mother Silk showed up

[reef jetty]

Is there a way to || re-fight all bosses? ||

[drowsy mortar]

I literally brought that up an hour ago lol

[uncut holly]

oh

[drowsy mortar]

^

[uncut holly]

What I still dont know after the game is A. What caused the Weavers to break up with Mother Silk. B. What the hell dried up the sand sea

[drowsy mortar]

First Sinner gives us decent insight for that

[uncut holly]

I feel like Grand Mother silk wanted to attract people because they sent out the call, but what if the call wasnt done by silk herself, but instead the Citadel itself

What if the Weavers built the citadel and the treatment of the people who got involved is what tore the rift?

[drowsy mortar]

Mother Silk wants to be exactly that, a mother

However she gaslit them into believing they were Gods and this seemingly backfired with the Citadel

[uncut holly]

She gaslit the weavers?

[cold axle]

which mementos am i missing?

[drowsy mortar]

According to First Sinner’s dialogue yes

[uncut holly]

I see, I remember the Sinenr said "She called us daughters, she lied". I thought it was eluding to the fact that the Mother manipulated them, cause they also call themselves naive at somepoint in the Atla Weaver Nest

I feel like i have a good grasp on everything except for Mother Silk and the Weavers relation

Lace is crazy, and took her mother not wanting to use her as a vessel to come into the real world personally

[drowsy mortar]

The Citadel as far as I understand it is a society based on the lie that the Weavers are Gods blessed with divine mastery over Silk, somewhere along the line this turned into a caste system where the wealthy are housed up above while the rest drown in poverty in the wilds

[uncut holly]

Then when did they turn on the Weavers? Also that means the Weavers subjugated the Flies, the Ants, the Leaf Jumpers, and the Crabs.

[drowsy mortar]

Generally these higher class bugs are the ones most enthralled by the haunting so maybe Silk Mother orchestrated a perfect paradise for her “children”

[drowsy mortar]

After the Weaver Rebellion Weavers were mostly likely seen as outlaws

[uncut holly]

Well the First Sinner is the first prisoner to be condemned, so that gives us a bit of a hint. It also means that thats around the time they made their deal with the Flies

The Slab was fly haven and they turned it into a prison colony, the flies did not mind because they got to steal things and eat corpses

[drowsy mortar]

Actually yes she is ignore me, I forgot the shrines were prisons

[uncut holly]

We also dont know what EVA is

[drowsy mortar]

There’s flies in more areas than just Slab

[drowsy mortar]

Eva is a Silk construct like Lace that was a failed prototype

[uncut holly]

Oh yeah, they traveled outwards and started kidnapping people even though they committed no crime after the kingdoms fall

We know the flies arent haunted that kidnap us because they play around

[drowsy mortar]

Another failed construct can be found in Phantom

[uncut holly]

Wait what?

[gilded beacon]

She was made by the weavers right?

[uncut holly]

Whats the Phantom construct?

[drowsy mortar]

Phantom and Eva are Silk constructs, so is Lace

[uncut holly]

Phantom as in the boss Phantom?

[drowsy mortar]

Yes

[drowsy mortar]

Yes

[gilded beacon]

That chamber is Phantom's

[uncut holly]

Do you mean the banshees in The Fog?

[drowsy mortar]

No I mean the boss Phantom is a Silk Construct

[uncut holly]

Oh, i didnt know that

Thats weird, do we know where they came from exactly? I also got the impression that the Weavers creating EVA was heresy

[drowsy mortar]

It’s unclear why she failed, she’s clearly some degree of insane though

[sleek herald]

whats the deal with the ones in The Mist anyway

we know they want silk and that they are connected to the needolin

but like what else

[drowsy mortar]

They are made in those pods like Eva is in, except Lace

[gilded beacon]

There's a chamber in which you can she Phantom and Lace if you use the Needlolin

[drowsy mortar]

Lace it can be assumed was made naturally from the Silk Mother’s own Silk

[gilded beacon]

Why is Lace slowly dying?

[uncut holly]

I still dont have a good idea of the entire timeline, past once all of the other tribes went extinct

It all started with Nyleth

[drowsy mortar]

She is an entirely Silk based creature, it can be assumed she can’t produce it herself

[plush bridge]

It's mentioned in Lace's journal entry a bit, Hornet comments on how making life out of thread is something very intensive and moreso fragile.

[drowsy mortar]

So she is merely running out of energy most likely

[uncut holly]

Waaaait a minute

What if the Citadel is somehow related to sustaining them

Its costly supposedly, just to keep them alive

[drowsy mortar]

The Citadel is unaware of the existence of Silk constructs

[uncut holly]

Because they do alot of weaving and music making, I assume the music is to draw in people from far away lands

[plush bridge]

It is likely part of the reason Silk has been looking for anybody even part Weaver to help sustain her, at least.

[drowsy mortar]

They do however try to inject themselves with Silk to try and become Gods though resulting in abominations like Soul Sanctum

[plush bridge]

I don't think they were trying to become gods per say, simply trying to cheat death.

[uncut holly]

I thought that was just them healing themselves gone wrong, not them trying to pull a Soul Sanctum

Although that Conductor was definitely crazy

[drowsy mortar]

It’s not a stretch given the fanaticism of those bugs

[pseudo charm]

I havent beat the game and im not reading anything here, BUT

Im thinking that the final boss is a wyrm or a human, basically smth that is WAY bigger than a bug (or a wyrm)

[uncut holly]

I just thought the Conductor was a inhumane doctor, trying to sew up the extreme injuries and wounds of some bugs

[plush bridge]

It absolutely was a kind of Soul Sanctum situation though. They were pulling Pilgrims in with the guise of them being 'guiding lights' when in actuality they were sacrifical lambs for experimentation.

[drowsy mortar]

But they definitely don’t know about the intricacies of Weaversong, I believe the call comes from the Silkmother herself

[uncut holly]

What I wonder is why all the automated music making

[drowsy mortar]

Probably an attempt at mimicry

[uncut holly]

The Citadel is a massive clockwork automatic music making creation

Although the bell did call the Pilgrims to Songclave

[drowsy mortar]

I’m still surprised we have no explanation for the bells

[uncut holly]

Thats mostly why I think the music of the Citadel is what calls them

[drowsy mortar]

Other than “religious music theming”

Bells aren’t a big part of weaver culture they prefer strings

[uncut holly]

Their bell fixation is weird, and the Silk Mother has never had any bell symbolism other than webbing up the bells but thats due to them barring entry to the Citadel???

I have no idea why Widow was webbing bells

But it was definitely them doing it

[drowsy mortar]

Oh that one’s easy

Widow was barring entrance to Citadel

[uncut holly]

Yeah but why?

They want you to meet them

[peak harbor]

do we know what exactly silk mother is and her role in the wider world? she seems somewhat different from other higher beings of her ilk

[drowsy mortar]

In general because she doesn’t want Hornet to go there freely

[uncut holly]

Well Silk Mother is a pale being, meaning their at the very least a big deal among Higher Beings

[drowsy mortar]

They want Hornet subdued due to anticipated resistance

[uncut holly]

I thought the Silk Mother wants Hornet to fight them, and win because no matter the outcome Silk Mother will possess Hornet

[drowsy mortar]

And if she breaks into the Citadel and just decides to kill SM that doesn’t really fit her agenda

[drowsy mortar]

The original idea was to just infect her with the haunting

But she’s too alert to fall prey to the normal method

[uncut holly]

I dont think Hornet could kill Silk Mother, they could bind them but that wouldnt be good for their own health. And the only reason I think binding works is because they have Weaver powers and have been binding Silk Memories all game

[drowsy mortar]

Correctish

[uncut holly]

I think only Hornet could "kill" the Silk Mother that way, but at the cost of not really killing them

[drowsy mortar]

The curse technically would just entrap her forever

Soul snare destroys her though 100%

[uncut holly]

Well what Lace says before you fight them is that they wanted you, not them. And what happens with the ending is Hornet becomes the new Silk Mother and starts acting very not Hornet like

[drowsy mortar]

She is no match vs the void

[uncut holly]

Yeah Silk Mother cant match the Void but they can hold out for a very long time against the void which is impressive

[naive cargo]

Well that void wasn’t united not to powerscale but….

[ivory canyon]

whats the deal with this room

[uncut holly]

How Higher Beings have been handled in Hollow Knight has always been you cant fight them directly you have to do something creative or be in a specific circumstance where it works, either because their too powerful or for some other reason.

Which is why I think they did Nyleth weird

[drowsy mortar]

SM wants to rebuild the Weavers as her loyal children, she does see Lace as a daughter (see true ending) but prefers one of her original progeny/descendants

[molten grove]

how do you fight nyleth

beat the true ending earlier but i couldn't find them

[uncut holly]

Honestly, I think those grubs at the bottom at Antlions, I think this is the promised "Lion Village" and that those are the Lions

They are holy because obviously

[drowsy mortar]

It’s there to tell you the fucked up reality of those bronzed bugs at Steps

That’s not armour they are actually bronze coated

[uncut holly]

Oh Nyleth is by the drop when you first drop into the Citadel into the Underworks

[molten grove]

oh right

[uncut holly]

That long elevator shaft you can go back to it and using new tech you can explore it more to find an entrance, to a new place

[molten grove]

i forgot to go back there with silksoar

fighting Lost Mother Silk at the end of the pantheon of pharloom will go crazy

[uncut holly]

I do think though that what they did with Nyleth is really weird, no Higher Being you have been able to punch in the face. And I get their on their back leg, but seeing how significant a figure Nyleth is, it just seems weird

[drowsy mortar]

I legit forgot about her

[peak harbor]

i’m so curious about how the soul snare works precisely, there’s so few things in the world of hk that can actually seal or kill higher beings

[drowsy mortar]

Is she a HB or is she just a big part of the ecosystem?

Needing to kill a HB for Red Memory just seems weird

[uncut holly]

So Nyleth is the origin of all of Shell Wood and was the first there to make Pharloom hospitable

They are depicted as being the origin of all plant life in Pharloom

Also I think the snare is just a portal to the void, and they pushed the mother through it

They just pushed them through a portal down there

[peak harbor]

o, fair enough

[peak harbor]

i think she might just be a big part of the ecosystem, or if she is a hb she’s not really influential? maybe pale beings/beings of light are on a different caliber entirely compared to even other higher beings? but honestly i’m more partial to her just being a particularly powerful bug

[uncut holly]

And because they are surrounded on all sides they where screwed, but still held out for a very long time. However because they are still connected to people by their silk the void seeped through their silk

[peak harbor]

it seems weird to randomly be capable of killing a hb when the only times in any game it’s occurred is typically because of the void

[uncut holly]

Oh yeah Nyleth is said to be very old and forgotten, ancient even. But the way their described their a bit similar to Unn

We know that they are the origin of a immense amount of greenery and they are presented as a plant god. It does seem really weird, but I do think their a Higher Being

[drowsy mortar]

Unn outright created things out of essence though

[peak harbor]

yeah, unn is more like the radiance imo

[uncut holly]

Nyleth caused extreme plant growth, and was what made Pharloom have life initially

They where the origin of green

[peak harbor]

both are beings of a specific dominion that “dream bugs into existence”

[drowsy mortar]

Can I see the journal entry?

[uncut holly]

gimme sec

Although we do get rid of Grey Root with a machine and their a Higher Being

[peak harbor]

grey root is a hb????

[uncut holly]

Their the same thing as White Lady

They have an ending related to them

[peak harbor]

oh ya nvm

[uncut holly]

They destroy both Silk Mother and you

[peak harbor]

okay maybe hbs related to the light are just on a different caliber entirely then

since u can only really get rid of them w void

[manic brook]

Fun fact: hornet loves guarana

[wheat crane]

bro

[manic brook]

Hm?

[wheat crane]

i just tried to tp back to the bellways in a weird spot

and i glitched out of bounds

[agile wasp]

is it true there is a journal entry for ||wingmoulds||? may someone share it with me please 🙏?

[uncut holly]

I have technical difficulties and cannot go into game, additionally i cannot find online, images are not coming

[outer trail]

Is there any significance to Silksongs mask maker compared to the one in Hollow Knight? I feel like they say the same thing

[uncut holly]

Can someone get the Nyleth Journal Entry for me

[lost lion]

I gotchu, one sec

[uncut holly]

Thank ye

[lost lion]

remind me of what area nyleth is found in

[uncut holly]

Its the plant god boss

[lost lion]

The journal is very big

[agile wasp]

thank you, this is truly so intriguing!

[uncut holly]

Its by shell wood stuff

[uncut holly]

Thank

[lost lion]

any others you need? i've got most done alr

[uncut holly]

Nah thats all thank

Nyleth is described as being the origin of all plant life in Pharloom, and probably the oldest being there. In their death message they say something roughly along the lines of "Where will the forest be without us?"

[agile wasp]

called pk a fool…. seems like hornet does not think of him like the smartest guy huh !

[manic brook]

Tbh i wanna know more about hornet s backstory ill look for more details of it

[uncut holly]

I thought it was implied that if you killed them instead of other hearts, than the plant life post game is screwed

[manic brook]

Whos pk

[lost lion]

pretty sure the implication for TE is that while all of pharloom will be weakened by the absence of the 3 old gods, it will still be alive

[agile wasp]

the pale king / white wyrm , hornets father*

[uncut holly]

Yeah, but what i find weird is that you can punch a higher being in the face like Nyleth

That usually doesnt work except for extreme cases like NK Grimm, or the Radiance

They dont even get a title card

[lost lion]

that is sipmly because those are the only ones we are given reason to fight in HK, pretty sure the knight was willing to throw hands with any god that got in its way

[outer trail]

Is there any significance to this games mask maker that HK's mask maker didn't give us?

[lethal sentinel]

late but these are both from throwing bombs into hazards. ||first is throwing bombs into muckmaggot water, second is throwing bombs into the worm sand in blasted steps||

[lost lion]

theres some cool dialogue if you do his delivery quest, however I failed to ss it, so unfortunately I can't tell you what it is.

[uncut holly]

Well the Radiance couldnt be killed normally, and NK Grimm had to go through its ritual, and it wasnt really dying. The only way you killed Radiance is because the battle was symbolic and it was the void and you using void power that did it

[outer trail]

His delivery quest? I'm talking to him and there's no quest

[lost lion]

talk to the couriers, it might be act 3 locked though.

[uncut holly]

I also dont think you can kill Grand Mother Silk, I think you can use the bind to absorb them just like Hornet has been absorbing silk memories all game, but that doesnt turn out well for them because it leads to possession

[mighty oyster]

She’s pretty

[lost lion]

I hit my screenshot key every time but it also advanced the dialogue whenever I did, so it kept just taking pictures of a black box with no text

I learned my message for ssing dialogue from that, now I just use F12

[ancient sable]

How can you break the ceiling i cant find it

[autumn sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-basketball-ice-dunk-hornet-gif-3999940650987546913

is this lore accurate?

[uncut holly]

At the begining of Hollow Knight they give a message thats symbolic of the general story of the Hollow Knight. In Silk Song they say. "They see your beauty so frail and fine. They see your peace woven of faith and toil. They forget your heart bound in slumber and servitude."

Im trying to make sense of the lore

I dont understand what the deal with the Citadel is exactly

I get what they do, what they did, but the time line with Weavers I dont get

[lost lion]

this is symbolic of Pharloom as a whole, at least how I see it, the pilgrims worship the peace of pharloom and the citadel, while never realizing the puppetry that lies beneath

[uncut holly]

Its weird that Grand Mother Silk affects their own loyal people with the Haunting

[lost lion]

from what I could gather, which, in fairness, is rather incomplete atm, as I still need to get most of the lore documents, the weavers created the architects, who then created most of the constructs around the citadel

[uncut holly]

Also what caused them go do the haunting, is it just them having a tantrum? Because the weavers escaped?

[cold axle]

appreciate it, i literally never would've guessed that

[lost lion]

the haunting was caused by the bugs willingly injecting GMS's silk into their shells, as suggested by the lore in the Whiteward, which then after GMS went out of whoever was controlling hers grasp, took control of all the semi-immortal bugs using the silk they put there themselves

unclear, at least to me, what exactly her motive was in doing so?

[quartz plinth]

I have a solid theory that the citadel on itself was meant to be a walking city of sorts, it has a cog heart, the underworks and the sewers all around the city look like they are all part of a huge machinery.

My theory is that the Citadel was at one point, planned to be a "Walking city" of sorts, with ||The craddle crowing it, with Silk taking control of more kingdoms as the citadel moved||.

Essentially, hornet has saved the whole world from a possible mass slavement ploy

[quartz plinth]

Trld: The citadel is a walking city and ||Silk wanted to take dominance of the world thanks to it||

[uncut holly]

They also send out silk to hit people in the head and take control of them. They also had Widow imobilize the people of Bellhart and web all of the big bells that open the city. I am confused, I dont understand why? Their main motivation seems to be getting you to them so they can possess you, so why lock the gate

[lost lion]

possible, but if that were the case, then why did the weavers not bring pharloom to Hallownest

[uncut holly]

Also I thought the White Ward was just a crazy Conductor who was healing people with Silk and did some inhumane things. But I thought their normal silk healing worked

[lost lion]

not clear that that was GMS's goal, her reason for bringing hornet to pharloom hasn't really been well explained to me

[quartz plinth]

Maybe they were forced to move out when they refused to work for the citadel plan, because if my theory is right, then the weavers left before the city could be completed, leaving it inmobile before it fell into disarray

[uncut holly]

I mean she already had loyal people why mind control them? It seems like the only thing they actually care about is Lace because they are their child, and the Weavers because they are also in a way their child

[lost lion]

also some lore suggests that the weavers didn't really leave, more like they were forced into confinement

[quartz plinth]

The weavers weren't creations of GMS

[lost lion]

^

[uncut holly]

So in the First Sinner end cutscene we see the creation of a Weaver from an average scuttling bug

[quartz plinth]

They were related, but if they were her direct creations, then they would have collapsed lik

[uncut holly]

And then text saying "She called us daughters, She Lied"

[quartz plinth]

WAIT

[lost lion]

first sinner is not a weaver

[quartz plinth]

IS HERRAH A WEAVER????

[uncut holly]

I dont think so, in HK they said they where an average bug I think

Or a "low birth" bug

[lost lion]

herrah is a weaver

otherwise hornet would not be half weaver

[uncut holly]

Might just be "low birth" compared to Pale King

[lost lion]

likely

[uncut holly]

But First Sinner is a weaver, they have a weaver look to them

[quartz plinth]

Lets fucking GO, lets fucking GO

WE WON, GOTY!!!!

[uncut holly]

Also im pretty sure somewhere it is said that Widow was a Weaver, but that they where tortured or deformed somehow

I have no idea where i just remember hearing it

Maybe check progress entry?

[quartz plinth]

Hornet says that the Widow's mask was broken down

[lost lion]

yeah they are I went back and checked, I misread the journal entry the first time

[uncut holly]

Go look at the ending cutscene for first sinner, a bug walks a long and a thread hits it in the head and turns it into a weaver

Im pretty sure thats saying that Grand Mother Silk made the weavers, and then the text about "She called us daughters, she lied."

[lost lion]

could be

[uncut holly]

Its a little side thing but Grand Mother Silk is also called the origin of all silk. That could be that they gave silk abilities to the Weavers, and that all silk has somehow descended from them

[quartz plinth]

Unrelated but Gosh shes so pretty

[lost lion]

so the journal entry suggests she's actually asleep, and the haunting is caused by her slumber

[manic brook]

[uncut holly]

I assumed the wake was somehow related to them using you as a vessel. Because when you get the bad ending, Hornet becomes the new mother silk and does some very not Hornet things

[lost lion]

not really the bad ending, just the base ending

[uncut holly]

I assumed that meant that mother silk possessed Hornet, and it was their goal in bringing them there to possess them

[manic brook]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-hollowknight-gif-13824312416185164655

[lost lion]

lulled to slumber suggests someone else put them to sleep

[quartz plinth]

GOSHHHHHHHHH

[uncut holly]

Maybe the Weavers?

We still dont know what the falling out was

[manic brook]

guys i figured out why its called silksong

[lost lion]

hang on pretty sure theres a lore thing for the falling out, lemme go hunt it down rq

woah spoilers man I aint found that yet

[uncut holly]

oh shoot sorry

[lost lion]

(i'm joking)

[uncut holly]

it is dead

you have killed it

[lost lion]

but yeah thats the PoP area isn't it? haven't gotten around to getting through it yet but its on my list

[uncut holly]

But im pretty sure the abandonded town at the top of Pharloom was the arrival point of GMS, who then turned the people to Weavers

and apparently some passing random bugs because thats what First Sinner was

Problem is I dont think we are ever really told an inciting incident for the Weavers falling out with GMS, and theres no timeline order for any of this other than things that must have come before

[lost lion]

hang on i'm still hunting down that lore area I found before

[uncut holly]

We also know the Fly civilization partnered with the Citadel around the time Weavers where being imprisoned

[spark valve]

Do you mean the slab flies

[uncut holly]

Yep they where a civilization

Or a small band that lived there and they turned their place into a prison colony and tasked them with gaurding it. Like Australia

[spark valve]

Their role is weird apparently they’re there as penance for some old crime their ancestors committed

[hallow shore]

You know, despite how horrifically The Pale King's rule of Hallownest went can we at least agree it wasn't quite as fucked as whatever went wrong with Pharloom?

[uncut holly]

I think they just enjoy being prison wardens now, taking peoples things and eatting corpses. They go out and imprison people when things are going down hill regardless of if they did any crimes, and we know they arent haunted when their doing it

[hallow shore]

Like at least TPK wasn't actively trying to possess/kill everybody in the nation, which is better than the upper leadership in Pharloom could say

[rocky kindle]

Where is first sinner? I never found that fight and people are saying it's really good

[edgy barn]

pretty sure a tablet in first sinner says smth about their sin being apostasy, so maybe the falling out was due to them not worshipping GMS after a certain point?

[hallow shore]

That and all the torturous dystopian labour we see in the underworks

[uncut holly]

The First Sinner is at The Slab, you need the Heretic Key its found at the top of Bile Water in another place.

[runic musk]

Chest room in slab. Hole in roof.

[spark valve]

Yes that’s what the cutscene shows

[uncut holly]

To get to First Sinner you have to go through several secret paths, but once you get the key you can look around in the area and find it

[rocky kindle]

Do you mean the apostle key?

[uncut holly]

No the Heretic Key

[rocky kindle]

I think heretic one you get in the slab

[uncut holly]

maybe im wrong

[edgy barn]

yea u do

apostate one is in bile

[runic musk]

Apostate key is found not in Slab, the other 2 keys are in Slab.

[uncut holly]

Yeah im definitely wrong then its probably Apostle. Its found in the Putrified Vents

Is Apostate different than Apostle?

[spark valve]

it's found in the area of putrified ducts huntress is in

[uncut holly]

I dont know anymore!

[spark valve]

I don't think there is an apostle key

[uncut holly]

There where keys, and I remember there where keys

[edgy barn]

apostate is the correct name it jst sounds like apostle

[runic musk]

Still, the chest room beyond one of the Apostate doors has a hole in the roof, thats where First Sinner is.@rocky kindle

[spark valve]

least poorly signposted silksong content

[uncut holly]

I think if you get in there after finding the key and look around you will find it

The key though is at the top of Bile Water, through and entrance leading into the biome Putrified Ducts which is above it, and then theres a straightish path to a corpse holding the key thats a dead Fly

[lilac dagger]

does anyone know what type of bug sherma is and since he's a pilgrim what would the enemy bugs that are in the same like almost mummy wraps be

i looked around a lot to try and find some information and it didn't show anything relevant

[uncut holly]

They are the Sherma bug

They do not exist real world I think

[spark valve]

many things are like that

[uncut holly]

I do think though that the Green Prince, and their people where Aphids

But I dont think that is said anywhere

Just their face, and how they look they could be aphids. Their also fast

[lilac dagger]

i comprehend

[vivid kernel]

||Why did Void suddenly turn into Infection 2.0?||Like, yeah, since HK it's clear that Void is any less corruptive, but... wasn't it more of a neutral force overall?

[lost lion]

its not infections 2.0, and it only got to that point because of the ||snail shamans||

[vivid kernel]

Didn't they just set the trap for the mother? Like, everything after her consumption was left on void and on its alone, wasn't it?

[pearl stag]

so did they hint to a 3rd game or is it dlc? ||n the MM ending||

[lost lion]

only acted once someone else directed it, and the driective was to destroy GMS, which it was trying to do, GMS resisting death to protect lace caused it to spread along her webs and start destroying much of pharloom in the process

[spark valve]

void is neutral it's just piggybacking off of grand mother silk's magic

[lost lion]

man sitting at 90% completion and still missing a whole ass area is crazy

I know i'm just missing an area cause of the massive gap in my journal

[edgy stone]

Wonder if its worth making save datas for bosses

If theres not any boss repeat mode

[spark valve]

you can't refight them otherwise

[edgy stone]

Damn I hope someone has already started on them

If not I will after I 100% my first file I guess

[lost lion]

shouldn't be difficult, ss files aren't really protected

[pearl stag]

||have you been back to wormways?||

[lost lion]

I do not want spoilers on where said final area is, but yes I have been back to wormways

[vivid kernel]

It's still behaves very agressive towards anything living in kingdom though... Like, those tendrils literally take over your foes right before your eyes

[pearl stag]

its not a spoiler but i was also missing a gap and thats where my issue was

[lost lion]

those foes are internally strangled by silk soooooo

[verbal apex]

Just copying what the silk did but void

[vivid kernel]

Double corrupt huh?

unlucky poor things

[spark valve]

it's subsuming the threads which were already doing that

[runic musk]

I find that pretty cool though tbh having enemies sometimes get corrupt

[lost lion]

but I mean was your gap this large

[pearl stag]

oh

thats large

[lost lion]

I have a couple of guesses as to where this area could be, and its probably the last map i'm missing as well

[edgy stone]

Enemies?

God dude the journal seems incredibly hard to 100% this time around

[lost lion]

actually doesn't seem that bad, these are the only 9 that I don't know where i'd be able to find em

[vocal kraken]

is there any lore behind this

[lost lion]

you'll find out later

[vocal kraken]

is this a reference to qin shi huan and the teracotta army

i find it funny because its literally qin shi huans teracotta army

[vocal kraken]

at what part

[lost lion]

do you want endgame spoilers or not?

[chilly zinc]

||SHERMA IS A DUDE?!?!?||

HELP 😭 i thought this mf was a girl

tbf tho most people are misgendering bell beast too

[lost lion]

yeah bell beast is a woman

[coral pagoda]

i love when hornet occasionally writes stuff about her childhood in the journal entries

[lost lion]

sherma is a guy

[edgy barn]

same icl😭

[runic musk]

Not everyone's at act 3 to see the reveal quite yet.

[pallid iron]

huh

[edgy barn]

you'll see what he means twin

[vocal kraken]

i know the endings already but idwym by that

[lost lion]

like do you want spoilers for some of the very endgame content

[vocal kraken]

what is its genders

[chilly zinc]

she

[vocal kraken]

oh i knew that

[vocal kraken]

like what do u mean bro

[chilly zinc]

at first i didnt even realize it was hornet writing the entries, i thought it was ||Nuu||

[vocal kraken]

we should get a dlc on the void

[chilly zinc]

but then that means not only is Little Ghost nonverbal, they're also dysgraphic

[sleek herald]

they can read and they draw the map so probs no

[chilly zinc]

ehhhh

[sleek herald]

more likely they just dont have enough personality to have an opinion

[chilly zinc]

drawing =/= writing

[sleek herald]

they write in the map

[chilly zinc]

shrug

[chilly zinc]

also, illiterate =/= dysgraphic

dysgraphic is inability to write

[lost lion]

no, dysgraphic is just writing dyslexia, does not make you unable to write in the same way dyslexia does not make you unable to read

[limpid summit]

I think the journals are fundamentally different

[chilly zinc]

oh

google lied to me then

[lost lion]

source: my brother has both

[limpid summit]

With the Hunter’s journal his notes are probably scattered and TK connects them to the creature by fighting them

And like his musings are when he hasn’t met the creature like when he talks about shapeshifters for Nosk and the infection for Rad

Hornet is genuinely writing them as she fights

[edgy stone]

I need to see an entry where hornet just genuinely hates the creature

[limpid summit]

There’s one I forget what it is

It’s one of the underworks bugs she like calls it filthy

There’s probably tons

[lost lion]

heres one of many

[vocal kraken]

yo is the widow a weaver?

[edgy stone]

Thats cool, I need more though. I want hornet to say she just wants the creature dead

Pretty sure it says shes a demasked weaver

[limpid summit]

Ohhh shit forgot

[vocal kraken]

why she attacking hornet then

[limpid summit]

Widow is a tortured weaver with a different mask

[edgy stone]

Which seems to be a form of skinning for them

[limpid summit]

She’s insane

[vocal kraken]

also is pharloom their old home? cuz in hollow knight its said the weavers fled to their old home after signs of the infection started

[lost lion]

also wait a minute wasn't someone yesterday theorizing about the frog boss being similar to soul master? literally says in the journal he uses stolen soul lmao

[limpid summit]

Yup

[edgy stone]

I think we only see 2 weavers the entire game

[vocal kraken]

but there is 1 alive weaver that is seen in the original hollow knight

[edgy stone]

And we have to brutally kill both

[uncut holly]

The timeline or atleast what I think
Nyleth the plant god that Seth guards comes to Pharloom and causes all plant growth, turning it into a habitable area. Various tribes and groups come to Pharloom because the land is nice, in no specific order they are the ants, flies, green dancers, crabs, and UNKNOWN top of Pharloom Civilization. All the tribes where ok with co-existing and they all equally thrived before the Citadel. At some point the Grand Mother Silk shows up and ascends the people of the UNKNOWN civilization into Weavers, along with any other random bugs at the top of the Citadel. These bugs now Weavers then construct the skeleton of what would then become the Citadel. The Grand Mother Silk sends out a signal calling all neighboring bugs to Pharloom promising paradise. The Citadel through various means like killing and weaponizing one of the leaders of the Green Dancers and jailing the other wipe out the Green Dancers, they attempt to wipe out the ants and they likely sent them into hiding and killed many of them, and began an endless war with the crabs. They made a deal with the Flies to take their prisoners, and at some point the Crabs coral area dried up and they all died. At some point after the Weavers for unknown reason fell out of love with the Grand Mother Silk, they then became heretics and where hunted, they also made EVA. All of the Weavers fled and where hunted down and killed in various kingdoms like "The City of Iron", also proving that the Pharloom Military is probably way better than Hollownests. At some point the Citadel finds and captures Hornet and brings them to Pharloom, then the game starts.

[vocal kraken]

what where

[limpid summit]

I mean that journal entry might literally be SM you’re right

[edgy stone]

Right after him there is also a shaman

Hes 100$ just frog soul master

[lost lion]

hornet likes plushies confirmed btw

[vocal kraken]

also i feel like pharloom and hallownest are very closely related because in the putrified ducts there is a spot for a wish with a mushroom

and the wish has a picture of the mushroom charm in hollow knight

[vocal kraken]

isnt seth a fanmade boss that turned into real

[limpid summit]

That’s sort of just Mr Mushroom

[uncut holly]

Yeah

[limpid summit]

He goes around creating Shrumal tribes

[uncut holly]

Mr Mushroom probably explains everything somehow

[lost lion]

I need to find where the seth npc ran off to, I found him once in greymoor, but now idk where he went, gives me quirrel vibes though (no spoilers please)

[vocal kraken]

wait hes in silksong too where is he

[vocal kraken]

what where

[uncut holly]

He is everywhere

[edgy stone]

I cant find him either

[limpid summit]

Similar quest to the last one I haven’t done it yet

Play your Needolin in places he comes around says some dumb shit leaves x8

[lost lion]

he was talking about the craws then so I have some thoughts but I have been busy looking for the are i'm missing

[uncut holly]

I think Mr Mushroom is one of the last quests you get

[vocal kraken]

wdym hes right here

[uncut holly]

Do we even know anything about the Craws?

Also yeah thats Seth

Behind him is the last shrine to Nyleth the plant god and a higher being

[edgy stone]

You think he goes deeper into the area?

[uncut holly]

Nyleth is presumabely so ridiculously old that this is the last shrine to them that exists

Im pretty sure they mark the start of Pharloom

[edgy stone]

Nyleth felt completely out of left field for me

[uncut holly]

Whats very weird is that you can get Nyleths heart and kill them despite them being a Higher Being. Its weird

[dull pewter]

Whats the lore about ts game???

[lost lion]

also here you go

[limpid summit]

I’m not sure if Nyleth is a HB

Could be

[uncut holly]

I mean in their death message they ellude to the fact that the plant life will die without them

[limpid summit]

Isma definitely isn’t

[edgy stone]

Awesome this is what I wanted

[uncut holly]

They also have a shrine of worship

[edgy stone]

I also think nyleth hands over her heart

[lost lion]

fr thought she was boutta be pale lady 2, then she scared the shit outta me

[vocal kraken]

where is nyleth located

[limpid summit]

If I had a nickel for every HB that promoted plant growth I’d have 3

[edgy stone]

It explicitly grows after we beat her. Its not so much a drop as the others

[limpid summit]

I mean we can talk about Greyroot

If there’s any sleeper HBs she’s up there

[uncut holly]

Nyleth is in a secret area near the initial elevator drop to Underworks, theres a secret area going to them

[lost lion]

HBs?\

[uncut holly]

Higher Beings

Also Grey Root is also a Higher Being

[vocal kraken]

shade lord or the whole abyss is a higher being right

[lost lion]

pretty much every slab entry is like that lmao, hornet fucking hates the slab

[edgy stone]

Sorta theyre more like a collective

[limpid summit]

TK is a higher being once they get voidheart

[lost lion]

probably cause they stole her clothes

[uncut holly]

Technically we would have 3 Higher Beings in Pharloom, not including Void. Grand Mother Silk, Nyleth, Grey Root

[vocal kraken]

milff silk 😻

[limpid summit]

Void itself isn’t really one cause like it’s not a being till vh

[uncut holly]

Whats also weird is that King Khan, Karmalita, and the Green Dancers are called "gods" by the snail shamans

Which is just really really confusing

[vocal kraken]

shade lord is the knight and shadelord is all of the vessels shade into one

[lost lion]

ah HB is higher beings got it

[limpid summit]

Lord of Shades is the knight with void heart

Shade lord is uhh

I think that’s the file name for void given focus which is powered up TK

[lost lion]

Void given focus

[frozen hornet]

where do we get lore about Nyleth?
i just found her area, but i hadnt heard anything about her before

[limpid summit]

That could just be godseeker god definition

Like how you’d call LeBron a god

[uncut holly]

We do know what the GodHome ending is cannon, meaning that the Hollow Knight is going around Hollownest somewhere

In the ending cutscene you se a brief flash of the Shade Lord

[lost lion]

nah its not confirmed canon

[uncut holly]

I mean true

[lost lion]

unless tc says something about it it aint confirmed

[uncut holly]

They could just be more shaded after the fact

tc?

[lost lion]

team cherry

[whole holly]

is Nyleth confirmed to be higher being?

[vocal kraken]

what is the lore of this

[uncut holly]

I think so they are eluded to have made all the green in Pharloom

[lost lion]

pretty much all the beings with hearts are probably higher beings

[limpid summit]

No one but GSM in SS is confirmed

Like truly confirmed

[uncut holly]

In the ending message of Nyleth they say that the plants will die without them

[limpid summit]

But it’s not like we can’t guess

[uncut holly]

What is SS?

[limpid summit]

Calling nyleth a higher being is sort of like calling the lifeblood creature a higher being it just doesn’t seem like enough

[whole holly]

what about hornet becoming one, or lord of shades, are they not confirmed?

[limpid summit]

Hornet is not one Lord of Shades is

[frozen hornet]

it could still be extrapolation/only refer to the plants of pharloom

[lost lion]

hornet is part HB

[uncut holly]

Oh yeah they only mean Pharloom plants

[limpid summit]

Oh you meant like in Silksong not new from Silksong

[whole holly]

maybe if you play needolin you might get insight

[lost lion]

silksong or screenshot depending on context

oops wrong response

[uncut holly]

Nyleth is said to be the cause of the plant growth in Pharloom, and their shrine is so old there is only one around and it is likely the last

It is likely that Nyleth is so old they arent being worshipped, but they where worshipped they have a shrine

[vocal kraken]

ion get it

[frozen hornet]

also i just reached the secret area in the snails house
||holy shit those snails are freaking murderers||

[brave hound]

Is there any possible correlation between the flower enemies in shellwood and spore shroom?

[whole holly]

you don't get what?

[vocal kraken]

the words

[limpid summit]

Ehhh I think it’s just plant stuff

[brave hound]

also god damn i ju8st got jumpsacred by || sister spilnter || nearly first tried her tho

[uncut holly]

The whole seeing the dream bosses and gods is kinda confusing, because you look at the Radiance, got completely forgotten and came back in the minds of people eons later. Borderline unkillable unless specifically using a plot to trap it inside of an empty vessel

Then you have Nyleth who you can kill by going in their dreams

[brave hound]

I wouldnt be suprised just wondering cause there very similar yellow particles

[lost lion]

I mean typically the rulers of bugs are referred to as HBs, like karmelita is probably a HB based off the lore that she was able to hold off the haunting from all the ants for much of her life span

[whole holly]

needolin is hornet's skill to play her needle as instrument, you probably have it

[brave hound]

and bot do the whole circle splash thing

[uncut holly]

Or not even their dreams actually their memory

[limpid summit]

Higher being isn’t just a ruler

[uncut holly]

Hornet doesnt enter dreams, she enters memory

[brave hound]

im a lil annoyed about this cause if the ads didnt do double damage i wouldve won

[limpid summit]

You’re right but Carmelita definitely isn’t one

[uncut holly]

So somehow you kill a ancient albeit extremely lesser powered higher being by entering their memory

[vocal kraken]

how am i almost act 3 and i dont have the hunters march map yet

[brave hound]

and i didnt bench oof

[lost lion]

i'd say definitely is a strong word

[brave hound]

i think you have to like get through ALOT of the area to do so

iirc shes quite far in ik shes past the arena at the minimum

[limpid summit]

What does she do that other bugs truly cannot

[vocal kraken]

i havent even gone through hunters march yet

[limpid summit]

Like look at PK Rad even Unn

[brave hound]

silk?

[uncut holly]

I mean Karmelita is linked to the ants strength, it is said that things will fall after their death

[lost lion]

stave off the haunting for an entire race

[brave hound]

oh wait talking about differnt thing alr mbg

[limpid summit]

Every society flounders when their ruler dies

[stone stone]

i feel like karmelita is on the same level as vespa

[uncut holly]

When you meet with the bush researcher afterwards it is said that the ecosystem will die without them, so likely meaning the ants

[stone stone]

like the queen of her own race

[lost lion]

valid take

[whole holly]

are there characters that might be higher beings?

[uncut holly]

Yeah i think thats does work well, but the snail shamans call them all higher beings!

[limpid summit]

The ants probably staved off the haunting with Carmelita as their leader I don’t think she used any inherent power to stop it

[uncut holly]

It makes things so confusing

[limpid summit]

In Silksong or in both games

[whole holly]

other than Nyleth

[whole holly]

Silksong

[spark valve]

karmelita preceded gms

[uncut holly]

Yeah all the civilizations where before GMS

[limpid summit]

Dude I just found second sentinel idfk

There’s no way the snail shamans aren’t embellishing

[uncut holly]

I mean maybe, but their wording is confusing

I mean the only higher beings we know from Hollow Knight, are Unn, Nightmare Heart, White Lady, Pale King, and the Radiance

And all of those are unkillable practically except for extreme circumstances

[brave hound]

also is || sister splinter || a required boss?

[uncut holly]

They are all of a extremely unfightable level for normal circumstances

[whole holly]

Abyss Creature possibly being one as well

[lost lion]

imma give up on hunting for the last area for now and go look for seth

[uncut holly]

Oh yeah the Void is also one

[limpid summit]

Abyss Creature has as much precedent as anyone but we literally just know nothing about them or their power set

So we can’t call them a HB

They do interesting stuff like getting into godhome by themselves

[whole holly]

yeah, but there is possibility because of his connection to Lifeblood

[limpid summit]

Look I’d love to believe they are one

They’re interesting

[uncut holly]

There is also Pale Beings which are Higher Beings that are in a higher class. We know the Pale King, White Lady, and Grand Mother Silk, are all pale beings. However the Radiance is also in the same wrestling weight class as the Pale King, so they also could be one aswell

[limpid summit]

Idk if pale beings are higher higher beings

They’re just a type of them

[uncut holly]

Maybe

[stone stone]

the tablets in kings pass also referred to the readers as "higher beings", it could just mean anyone with some kind of superior strength

[limpid summit]

Propaganda

[naive cargo]

I LOVE POWERSCALING

[lost lion]

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS

I found the last area

[limpid summit]

NMH > PK

[uncut holly]

Your a higher being, im a higher being, WE ARE ALL higher beings

[lost lion]

I literally looked over here like 4 times

[unique dawn]

So herrah ||was a weaver after all||?

[whole holly]

yeah, Pale Beings before SS were used as exclusive term to refer to White Lady and Pale King, is GMS also refereed to as Pale Being?

[uncut holly]

yeah Herrahs a weaver

[lost lion]

oh

[brave hound]

wow that was easy for a boss

[lost lion]

I understand the trigger now

[uncut holly]

Because they say are you more Weaver than Wyrm in the Red Mist

[limpid summit]

You’re right and iirc yes which makes things more complicated

Well not complicated just dumb

[uncut holly]

Yeah Grand Mother Silk is referred to as a pale being

[limpid summit]

Vespa says it’s the pale beings that are to blame for our nature in HK, that made sense when it was just those two but now it’s like “these TWO pale beings are to blame”

There was no point in calling her that

[whole holly]

wait by who?

[limpid summit]

Uhh

[uncut holly]

Im pretty sure they are referred to as having a pale light at some point

[lost lion]

fucking finally

[whole holly]

i don't think that is same thing

[limpid summit]

Yeah once all the dialogue gets compiled

[uncut holly]

i could not provide it to you but i think it was said multiple times

[lost lion]

literally at 94% and couldn't find this area

[stone stone]

i always thought the pale beings were related to soul

[uncut holly]

was it the Green Dancer land?

[stone stone]

but atp who knows what it means

[lost lion]

yes it was

[uncut holly]

Also something even more confusing is the White Lady is a pale being. But we have another person who is the same type of creature as the White Lady in Silk Song with Grey Root

Grey Root is also very very likely at least a higher being

[limpid summit]

Yeah that’s why it’s stupid

[whole holly]

me too, but White Lady always had weak connection(other than kingsoul charm), GMS however is another story

[split basalt]

What is a pale being???

[uncut holly]

We dunno!!!!! Its a god

[limpid summit]

Because Wyrms are a higher being species and now Roots are a higher being species but pale being is a very specific example of both and ahhhh

[whole holly]

higher being that is pale, but we aren't sure

[split basalt]

Unn

wait he green

[limpid summit]

The only pale beings I blame are William and Ari

[naive cargo]

What the heck…

[whole holly]

Roots are Higher beings species? explain Greyroot, is she higher being?

[split basalt]

I blame Zote

[uncut holly]

We know that there are multiple Wyrms that exist, that they like to make kingdoms ascend bugs to civility and lord over kingdoms, to be worshipped. Its just what worms do, classic worm things.

[limpid summit]

We weren’t sure that Root was a species it seemed like a WL title in HK but now we see Greyroot and her curse seems really strong

[uncut holly]

We know that there are multiple roots in existence, and that they all talk with weird pauses, and they like to "breed"...

[limpid summit]

Maybe too early to say but I think she’s a prime candidate the entire kingdom seems to be engulfed

[whole holly]

Greyroot as well?

[split basalt]

The queen was a tree I think

[uncut holly]

Yeah i mean Grey Root talks about "birth" every other sentence

[whole holly]

engulfed in what? greyroots curse?

[split basalt]

WHat is greyroot

[uncut holly]

White Lady and Grey Root are the same type of creature

They are both roots

[limpid summit]

Dawg

[light tree]

lmfao

[clear zephyr]

i heard alot of theories about her being a mycelium

[limpid summit]

If you beat the final boss bound by her curse you trap the boss in roots and get consumed

[split basalt]

Maybe she is a bunch or worms in a little wormy suit

[uncut holly]

I mean she has the same eyes as white lady, she talks in the same way as white lady, and shes also a root, she also talks about similar concepts at the white lady

[clear zephyr]

and if you look up a photo of it it really similar to her design

[limpid summit]

I thought she might be a different thing that’s like a root esque species like a grub mimic

[whole holly]

that is interesting, but she lacks physical attributes

[clear zephyr]

i just joined are photos allowed?

[limpid summit]

I think she’s based off one design wise but she’s gotta be a root

[split basalt]

SHe is definately a tree/bush

[uncut holly]

I mean Grey Root also straight up kills Grand Mother Silk so........

[brave hound]

yes

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[whole holly]

Last Judge? GMS? who is last boss?

[limpid summit]

GMS

[split basalt]

Lace-

[uncut holly]

Very very likely on the White Ladys level of power, its very likely their the same type of creature, and are both higher beings

[light tree]

that depends on the ending I believe

[whole holly]

i mean we know WL can diminish her power to not seem like higher being and not to be found by Godseeker, it is possible Greyroot is doing same

[edgy river]

No spoilers idlf possible, is the lore of this game and it's inhabitants and interesting and worth going for as Hallownest?

Beaten the game already and explored most of it and it seems pretty simple on the surface compared to the events before HK so I'm deciding if I go for getting every hunters jornal entry, mapping stuff out, replaying and seeing the "dream nail"/song of each boss I didn't do, etc.

Is it worth?

[limpid summit]

Yes definitely but it’s a large game with lots of spoilers I’d leave this chat if you want to

[clear zephyr]

idk if its true or not but this is what i heard the white lady is/ based off

[uncut holly]

I mean Grey Root, just kind of chills in their root house most of the time, until you offer to help them and they curse you. Their also referred to as a witch

[edgy river]

'k thanks just wanted to know that

[whole holly]

.

[limpid summit]

The thing is HBs are weird when it comes to their inspirations

Like Unn is obviously based on a slug but she can’t be a slug in HK because Salubra is a powerless slug and looks nothing like her

[whole holly]

i meant as mycelium being fungal she should have mushroom or spores, and stems are too large and centralized to seem like mycelium

[clear zephyr]

can someone explain to me how the abyss is in farloom

[uncut holly]

I mean theres different types of bugs that also would be the same species in our world. Like theres tons of centipedes with no real relation

I think the abyss is below every kingdom its just what happens when you go too deep

[naive cargo]

Maybe as a higher being, its power is the reason why the White lady can control herself unlike other roots, implying that roots are just that crazy powerful

[uncut holly]

The Weaver where the one to dig deep though, and seemingly it was a failed effort

[clear zephyr]

but if you go off lore from the orignal i thought it was something they summoned forth to battle the radience or the illness it caused anyways

[uncut holly]

It is possible that the Snail Shamans where the people who where the original Void Civilization

The void is a ocean at the bottom of the world, the Pale King used it to hollow out his children so he could trap the infection inside them

[clear zephyr]

yeah and from what i know of the lore the pale king sought out the shamans to help make the vessels

[limpid summit]

You not wrong

[clear zephyr]

lmao we sent that right around the same time

[limpid summit]

I wonder if we can see what the Vessels got from WL now that we know what a Root can do

Shells and wings from PK

[lost lion]

can you come back to green verdania?

[brave hound]

for lore likely.

[uncut holly]

So OG Hollow Knight lore is the Pale King had many kids with the White Lady the Queen who where all put in the abyss where the void sea seeped into their eggs before they hatched and hollowed them out and made them souless

[limpid summit]

Shamans didn’t have anything to do w the vessels as far as we know

[uncut holly]

However many of them where not completely hollow

[limpid summit]

Ancient civilization who knows

[brave hound]

idk im popping off so hard i just got claw (wall cling)

[lost lion]

wish to know before I think about fighting any bosses

[limpid summit]

Hypothetically yes

[clear zephyr]

but even then so whats the weavers connections to the abyss and are they hinting or trying to tell us that the weavers were the one who brought the knowlege to hollow nest i sadly havent been able to play the new game yet but dont they say at some point to hornet that shes "a decendent of the ones who fleed from the sickness"

[limpid summit]

But THK wasn’t hollow and TK also wasn’t so

[uncut holly]

The Hollow Knight was chosen to contain the radiance but it was not truly hollow, and so it couldnt. It is possible that if it was hollow truly then it would have nullified the Radiance indefinitely

[limpid summit]

Probably yes

[clear zephyr]

and thats the whole point of the orignal we play as the hollow knight all vessels before him failed

[uncut holly]

You only become truly hollow with the void heart or thats how i interpretted it

[maiden barn]

Guys guys, i have question, this are
design solution or this "frog" have a soul magic or something?

[limpid summit]

We don’t really have a good idea of any hypothetical thing they could have done but we’re given no reason to assume PK was fully misguided

[uncut holly]

Oh yeah the snails mention him

[limpid summit]

Its journal entry tells you

[uncut holly]

The frog worked with the snail shamans, they taught them their secrets

I forgot the swamp people maybe could have been a 5th civilization opposed to the citadel

[whole holly]

i can't believe snail shamans are also in pharloom, i didn't know that

[clear zephyr]

i feel the connection to the void is definitley important in that matter but also they straight say that the reason the vessel failed is because an idea instilled in it by the pale king which made him love him etc so he wasent hollow

[uncut holly]

Ants, Flies, Crabs, Green Dancers, Swamp Mosquito people.

[maiden barn]

alright, thanks

[brave hound]

and specifically the current vessel, big bro the "hollow" knight is failing aswell

[waxen forum]

his entry says he stole his soul power, presumably from the dead snail shaman you find the seeker's soul from

[lost lion]

can I get an answer to this

[brave hound]

especailly as we see the shade lord litterally take down the radiance in god home ending

[uncut holly]

I think so yeah, the old vessel was not hollow, if you dream nail the Pure Vessel in GodHome. Which good luck with that. It says something along the lines of "DONT THINK" "DONT FEEL"

[clear zephyr]

yeah thats what im saying big bro vessel failed cause "an idea instilled in him" so the vessel we play as would be the tehnical cannon hollow knight

[uncut holly]

So Hollow Knight knows its not hollow and is trying to fake it because what else would you do

Its kinda sad

[vocal kraken]

shade lord is all of the vessels

[naive cargo]

That’s cut content

[brave hound]

yup, or atleast presumably once we get the void heart or similar. or maybe just off rip idk

[uncut holly]

I see, then disregard

[vocal kraken]

yo whats the lore to this im ok with spoilers but make it small

[uncut holly]

Crabs

[limpid summit]

You’re ofc not wrong Jeep but yeah cut unfortunately

[torpid peak]

Just finished act 3
I'm in tears

[clear zephyr]

and i dont know how cannon godhome is considered but what about the pure vessel fight thats clearly shows us a what if he really was the hollow knight

[vocal kraken]

what is this bro

[limpid summit]

Pure Vessel isn’t a what if the only what if is Sheo really

[whole holly]

it contails memory dude

[lost lion]

crusty king

[uncut holly]

We dont know the cannon ending of hollowknight but it is definitely post hollow knight

[brave hound]

And maybe ABS rad

[uncut holly]

Want to know what to do?

[limpid summit]

Pure vessel is idealized it’s essentially the same pure vessel he’s not actually “pure”

[whole holly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wNRb0AJ2ks

[vocal kraken]

yes

[lofty lake]

someone knows about these 2 ?

[uncut holly]

You must come back when you can enter the memories of the dead

[vocal kraken]

ok

[limpid summit]

You’re right but the only thing different about absrad is that she’s stronger (and the only thing different about VGFocus is that we’re stronger than absrad)

[uncut holly]

Any spider webs like that will be a access point for you to enter

I like crabs, I was very happy when crabs appeared

[clear zephyr]

your one with the game then arent you?

[uncut holly]

One of biggest moments of joy was seeing crabs

[vocal kraken]

oh so memories of the dead is basically just dream bosses

[uncut holly]

Yep

[brave hound]

I always thought of abs rad is a what if the infection truly fully took over all of hallownest, like the radiance if there wasnt even a hollow knight to stop her in the first place

[uncut holly]

You need to wait till later though just do other stuff you wil lget it

[brave hound]

eh i havent beat P5 even so im not well versed on this

[naive cargo]

Not really a what if radiance since killing godhome radiance ends the whole infection

[torpid peak]

I'm honestly so cooked.
this game fried my brain.

I'll have a long pause before I tacke the last achievments

[uncut holly]

We got shrimps, we got crabs, we got crawdads, we got all the crustaceans. Crustaceans like crabs are closer to spiders than spiders are to insects, so it makes sense.

[vocal kraken]

what is the blackwyrm

[uncut holly]

We have no idea

[vocal kraken]

isnt the dead dude in coloseum the blackwyrm

[clear zephyr]

wait did the blackwrym get mentntioned in silk song

[limpid summit]

Blackwyrm could be anything from a creature a place to a military tactic

[vocal kraken]

is blackwyrm just a different species of wyrm (pale king)

[limpid summit]

Lord fool?

Anything you say is the blackwyrm can’t be defended but it can’t be argued against

So believe what you want

[vocal kraken]

has team cherry even made the lore yet

[uncut holly]

So the crabs probably came from another place, they are ruled by a warlord but their environment doesnt seem very native to Pharloom. We dont know what killed them!

[frozen hornet]

hollow knight: venture in a dead kingdom in which new life can grow if you succeed
silksong: venture in a dying kingdom through its last moments, unless you save it
what's next: venture in a thriving kingdom facing a new threat or venture in a fresh new kingdom establishing iself?

[clear zephyr]

when i first got into hollow knight i saw a video where someone theorised the pale king might have a brother or opposite and they said blackwrym so thats why i got exited when i just read that lol

[uncut holly]

That is THEE biggest plot hole, or one of them. WHAT KILLED THE CRABS!

[brave hound]

everything becomes crab.

[uncut holly]

But what kills crabs!

[brave hound]

Primal aspids

[clear zephyr]

what is farloom dying from its so hard to find any lore rn if you dont have your hands on the game

[limpid summit]

Pilgrims are being drawn to the Citadel at the top, then possessed by silk

[clear zephyr]

im tryna figure what ending they made cannon cause they said every ending was suppoused to be cannon and would affect how silk song would play out

[limpid summit]

They said the first thing but not the second thing

[uncut holly]

Pharloom is dying to the Haunting. The silk that is sent out by the top of the Citadel inhabits dead corpses and mind controls people it hits as it shoots down from the Citadel.

[frozen hornet]

that's definitely retconned
some endings cant be canon based on what we learn at some point

[brave hound]

damn the scariest thing in this game aint like dark areas or jumpscares by bosses, its litterally just ANY music cut, one music cut and im getting shivers IMMEDIATLY

[vocal kraken]

is the green prince a cogwork dancer

[uncut holly]

Dont stand outside a strand will hit you. Luckily if your still alive the thread strand can be cut and you will walk away fine. Thats what happened to Bell Beast

[spark valve]

they did say the second thing they just changed their minds apparently

[clear zephyr]

i thought i wasent crazy about that i read it in a interview

[vocal kraken]

yo what is the relation with green prince and the cogwork dancer boss

they are the same but different version

[clear zephyr]

whatever his people were made them in their image i believe

[brave hound]

blasted steps?

[spark valve]

cogwork dancers are based on or made with the soul of green prince's lover or some shit

[limpid summit]

The cogwork dancer journal entry says they share a soul

[uncut holly]

Green Dancers lover was a Cogwork Dancer. The Citadel killed him and put his soul in a robot to do their bidding, while the Green Prince the surviving one was locked away. They had a small civilization of Aphids and the Citadel killed all of them

[brave hound]

whats with teh godhome looking mfs in the blasted steps??

[spark valve]

they are judges

they judge pilgrims or some shit

[brave hound]

oh god everything does 2 masks fun

[uncut holly]

They are robots tasked with beating poor pilgrims to death

[whole holly]

i hate that

[vocal kraken]

is coral khann literally just bug gengis khan

[brave hound]

just got killed by a spider 0.2x my size