sk-lore

[gaunt anchor]

Wait did we even have any talking bosses in hollow knight

[novel eagle]

lace? ig

[lofty lake]

I don't think that would fit hk well idk

[storm whale]

Hornet talked in hollow knight

[viscid ridge]

Ive been fighting lace 2 and it had me wondering, i haven't seen Seth once in the game yet?

[novel eagle]

are you telling me the mother created lace and didnt ever talk to her

[gaunt anchor]

I meant base game there is a few in silksong

[gaunt anchor]

Ohh yeah and zote i guess ?

[quartz plinth]

Zote isnt a boss

[storm whale]

Poop knight too

[gaunt anchor]

? I fought him in coliseum of fools he was quite hard

[gaunt anchor]

Ooh yeah dung defender

Idk if it’s cus idk the lore of silksong but hollow knights story hit so much harder

[quartz plinth]

Eh

[novel eagle]

i just feel like the story wasn't really explained properly
why were the weavers so important? What was silk mother trying to accomplish..
How did she get to controlling the citadel , how'd she even get here..?
are you telling me every major city in this world has a higher being

[gaunt anchor]

First games story was so fire bro

[novel eagle]

also like is "nameless town" = hallownest?

[quartz plinth]

I liked silksong's more

Its more hopeful and less stale

[gaunt anchor]

Idk what’s even going on in silksong after getting the true ending

Whag hornet just wanted to kill the big bad guy

And remove the bad

[storm whale]

Probably. Bugs become sentient around higher beings, I think.

[novel eagle]

So like doesnt silksong made shade lord ending canon

[gaunt anchor]

Yes

Shade lord is 100% the canon for silksong true ending

[quartz plinth]

As i said, i don't think void even shows up or is mentioned at all and its just straight up ignored in Silksong but i haven't gotten the other endings yet so i might be wrong

[gaunt anchor]

So yeah

[gaunt anchor]

Get to act 3

[lofty lake]

I mean u can see her cocoon in act 2 so I'm assuming she's from the cradle

[novel eagle]

||there's an act iii||

[quartz plinth]

Im TRYING

[novel eagle]

where?

[gaunt anchor]

It’s % base d

Just do stuff till u get it

[earnest carbon]

Does anyone know how to get all purple hearts I can't seem to find the last one

[gaunt anchor]

But yeah hollow knights void lord ending is the canon 100%

He saves the day like a goat in silksong

[lofty lake]

from terminus station un and the rigth wall I think it was beyond a breakable wall

i cannot go ceck cause u cannot acess it anymore in act 3

[bitter echo]

Just in case anyone here missed it here are things you can do to increase % to get to Act III
Get as many charms, tools, mask shards, fleas, and nail upgrades as possible, they all count for a fair bit each

I have no idea if quests contribute

So buying out merchants of tools can help you get to Act III

[novel eagle]

In any case, normal ending really doesn't explain the story at all
True ending gives you an actual ending but still..
Doesn't explain silk mother's plan, why she was even doing this and what she wanted from hornet

[gaunt anchor]

Quests do

[bitter echo]

Quest do for sure, or some of the quest rewards from quests do? I believe it, I just haven't seen any real confirmation about it yet

[lofty lake]

I think it's too early to said that idk

[gaunt anchor]

It’s kinda weird cus some do increase % and some don’t

Cus u can 100% the game whilst missing a few quests

But I did quests until I could get into act 3

[novel eagle]

it's required to do all wishes for true ending

and theres one extra wish you need to complete

[crystal falcon]

i just saw the hive patterns on hornets weapon after upgrading it, so her being trained by Vespa is confirmed i guess

[novel eagle]

found this ; How to reach chapter 3:

1-Complete all the missions (including donations) at songclave.

2-Get the seeker soul beating the bile water frog boss

3- Finally get the snare setter at atlas

[bitter echo]

I did not get the Snare Setter before getting the Silk and Soul quest for the record

[novel eagle]

also you'll activate the ending called "Snared Silk" ending

Basically that ending activates ch 3 for u

[slow knot]

I just want to get a crazy theory out, and I don’t think it’s that far fetched: ||the entire game takes place inside a giant wyrm, right? We have the marrow, the exhaust organ, bilewood, etc. we’re traveling inside a creature. ||

[novel eagle]

So what I've understood so far;
The weavers she took from their home (She took them as children)
They were brought in by silk mother, told lies such as calling them "Daughter / Divine beings" (source: First sinner bossfight). She maintained them

[novel eagle]

how cna there be such winds and weather storms in the enclosed organ system of a beast

[slender thistle]

Wait there’s an act 3?

[novel eagle]

Ye

[bitter echo]

God I love seeing this reaction

[slender thistle]

Wtf

[novel eagle]

||It actually confirms that silksong is a sequel and canonizes one ending from hk||

[slender thistle]

Well, that’s extending my playthrough

Is it as long as the other acts?

[novel eagle]

a bit shorter tahn act 2 but harder

[slow knot]

||There’s tons of life happening inside. Whole ecosystems blooming. If it is a giant carcass, it stands to reason there’s openings for winds and weather||

[spark valve]

it doesn't, it canonizes one of two endings

[slender thistle]

Alright

[bitter echo]

||You can climb out of the kingdom onto the surface, and nothing in that event hints at you coming out of a giant wyrm||

[novel eagle]

||We saw the knight as shade lord, we know that ending is now canon||

[cold axle]

are there any ways to return to ||lost verdania|| after you beat the region boss?

because holy shit this place is beautiful

[spark valve]

no, we did not

[bitter echo]

Seemingly not

[wraith belfry]

How can I open this door plz?

[novel eagle]

||did you do act 3||

[spark valve]

that's not the form it takes during the ending it just flashes like that, but that happens in hollow knight too before that ending lmao

[pallid shoal]

Does someone know what happened to that ||one secret merchant who sells the boomerang?|| For some reason, I’ve seen some having ||him dead but is it explained?||

[spark valve]

||it shows up in the dream no more form most prominently||

[novel eagle]

||we saw it take both forms , the massive shade lord and the small shade knight||

[spark valve]

it is at minimum ambiguous

[slow knot]

||Idk I keep getting a feeling we’re inside something that used to be alive.|| I also just finished Xenoblade Chronicles so maybe that’s been on my mind lol

[spark valve]

no watch it again

[cold axle]

that's heart-wrenching

i hope we get dlc for it

[spark valve]

it's only actually in one form, hornet just hallucinates or something

[verbal jacinth]

||Tormented trobbio|| is the pinacle of everything i dont think about bosses in this game

[slow knot]

I feel like they already included all the dlc the maps packed lol

[cold axle]

||i found him dead in act 3, unfortunately||

[verbal jacinth]

They move around too much, are way too tanky, and have 20000 attacks all at once

[slow knot]

You think there’s empty spots but no

[pallid shoal]

||That is two of my favourite ones who died. I’m wondering if it’s also possible to save them, same for the Green Prince.||

[bitter echo]

They kinda have to compared to Hollow Knight with how damn mobile we are

[novel eagle]

||I really think it confirms hk silksong is a sequel tho||

[verbal jacinth]

Not when tou cant land a single fucking hit on them

[spark valve]

obviously

every ending does

[bitter echo]

Harpoon is the answer, bosses are designed around it existing as a core move

[cold axle]

i also cocked it up and let ||the huntress|| die...

because i ||didn't clear her quest before act 3, so i got to say hi to runt instead||

[verbal jacinth]

Idk a good time to use the damn harpoon in a fight like this, theres no soace in the arena for movement like that

[novel eagle]

do you know why the silk mother wanted to trap the weavers in the citadel or make them join her side
why was the spider's silk so important to her

[pallid shoal]

||…She won’t die if I clear her quests then before Act 3? Well I will do that then. Because another one dying is just sad.||

[cold axle]

i assume so, i haven't done multiple clears

||but she was dead "because she was eaten by her brood" for me||

||and i didn't turn in her wish||

i'm gonna have to golden ending my steel soul run

[spark valve]

more silk = more power = sustaining herself and lace and shit longer ig

[pallid shoal]

||I hope there is a way to save her and the others.||

[bitter echo]

It's definitely a move with some commitment so you have to know the boss to really safely use it, but it lets you close distance to the super teleporty/fast bosses instantly

[novel eagle]

I dont think the silk mother herself is a spider..

[spark valve]

no she's not

she's also made entirely of silk

[novel eagle]

a higher being obessessed with the silk of spiders to sustain her power?

[spark valve]

well

the weavers weren't supposed to leave

they took some of her power with them when they left she wants it back

[novel eagle]

we know from the first sinner's boss that all silk mother did was control them , lie to them

[spark valve]

I mean we see in that flashback what looks like her creating them

the 'lie' is that they're therefore divine

[novel eagle]

yeah but what does hornet have to do with any of this

is it just because shes a spider and is one with silk

[spark valve]

she got that good special silk that the mother wants

[novel eagle]

she so ungrateful lace was a good child

[spark valve]

there are a bunch of other cages in the cradle alongside records of other part weavers being captured

[novel eagle]

we know she controlled them after being brought to the citadel so
endlessly having their power sapped by her

she evil as hell

[cold axle]

does ||lost verdania|| have a map, by the way?

[spark valve]

yes

[bitter echo]

It does, ||In the real world go past the green prince and find a bench, should be around it||

[cold axle]

ah gotcha, thanks

[full void]

god i love Hornet's comments about fluffy creatures 🤍

[novel eagle]

do you have a pic of lost verdania i cant find anything anywhere

[spark valve]

like the area itself or a map of it

[novel eagle]

larea itself

[cold axle]

it's a gorgeous place, i really hope the Ominous DLC team cherry's talked about involves it

[novel eagle]

how is this area beautiful

its just mosshome

[cold axle]

it would be sad to leave it dessicated

[lament socket]

how'd you get in there? is it to the right of greymoor?
i'm confident there's something there with the cracked looking wall and difference in thickness with that area on the map, but i haven't figured out how to get in there

[cold axle]

lush, green, and watery is pretty

[spark valve]

you can't go there until act 3

and you probably need to have freed the green prince in sinner's road

[lament socket]

damn
i got into act 3 last night and was on my way there to check again but got distracted by other stuff

i've freed the green guy too, so hopefully should be accessible now

[midnight citrus]

beginning of act 3 spoiler, sounds familiar

[pearl stag]

the parkour to ||mr mushroom|| was a pain oml

[lament socket]

oh lordy
i only just collected the quest, i havent searched for Him yet

[bitter echo]

Two requirements for entering it once you're in Act III ||You need to have freed the Green Prince, and talked to him at the Cogwork Dancer's boss room, then you can go to the cracked looking wall at Greymoor||

[novel eagle]

when did we restore the kingdom's hope in any ending ;-;

[pearl stag]

It's not as bad as pop but it still sucks balls

[novel eagle]

also the fact that you need snared silk ending

1-Complete all the missions (including donations) at songclave.

2-Get the seeker soul beating the bile water frog boss

3- Finally get the snare setter at atlas

[bitter echo]

whut

[novel eagle]

o wia tu dont need act iii for verdania oops nvm

[cold axle]

you don't? damn

[wraith fox]

how do i activate this festival? Im in Fleatopia pls help

[pearl stag]

U do?

It's blocked off

[novel eagle]

oh?

[glad girder]

am i the only one who didn’t know hornet had lovers???

it was in the giant conchfly journal entry

[cold axle]

i mean, it's new to silksong

[pearl stag]

She bad so it makes sense 😝

[verbal jacinth]

What is the high score for the Flea bounce minigame???

cuz how tf is 30 not enough????

[pearl stag]

35

There's a scoreboard

[verbal jacinth]

Its not turning yellow when i reach 35

[foggy fractal]

there's a flea bounce minigame ?

[lament socket]

our girl fucks
not unexpected

[narrow folio]

i wonder who her lovers were

[foggy fractal]

man this game has so much content

[verbal jacinth]

IT WAS 43 YOU LIED TO ME :(

[pearl stag]

Oh lol

[foggy fractal]

ok how'd y'all get the bath from flea caravan

seems tied to a flea npc I never met

[pearl stag]

There's a flea on greymoor you have to free

[foggy fractal]

can you circle it for me ?

on the map I mean

[pearl stag]

I think it was here

The 2nd one down

[foggy fractal]

thank you

[verbal jacinth]

flea juggle sucks :(

[empty sierra]

i still cant figure out if silksong happens before or after hollow knight 😭

theres barely any clues

[verbal jacinth]

After

[empty sierra]

i finished the basic ending

[verbal jacinth]

theres many clues big fella

[empty sierra]

💀

can you tell me some

[verbal jacinth]

hornet talking about hallownest

the existence of the SL

[empty sierra]

that could be before HK wym

[verbal jacinth]

etc etc yada yada

[empty sierra]

and whats SL

[verbal jacinth]

||Shade lord||

[spark valve]

the basic ending leaves hornet tied up in the citadel as the weaver queen growing new arms and shit

[empty sierra]

oh, might have mised or not got to that part

[spark valve]

think about it for like two seconds

[empty sierra]

well

if you judge it like HK where none of the endings are canon

you wouldnt take this as a definitive end and never returning to hallownest of her

[verbal jacinth]

. . . .

[empty sierra]

might be best to get the other endings before i come back

bc i havent seen SL or any mention anywhere

or i forgot 💀

[drowsy mortar]

We have the entire Red Memory scene on YouTube now

[cold axle]

hm, does anyone know if there's a way to preserve ||garmond's life within the act 3 endings?||

[drowsy mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcI1OYfCu9c

[midnight radish]

some questions:

where is the flea in put||rified ducts||
where is the map in the s||lab|| (i already explored the rest of it i think, i beat the Fir||st Sinner||)

can i have a hint for an area i can go to next? like, just a vague one, here are my current areas i have: ||bone bottom, wormways, the marrow, weavenest atla, deep docks, far fields, hunters march, greymoor, bellhart, shellwood, blasted steps, sinners road, the underworks, the citadel, the slab, mount fay, bilewater, putrified ducts, the cradle||

[cold axle]

||poor guy doesn't deserve that fate||

[drowsy mortar]

This is interesting

[midnight radish]

holy spoilers

[drowsy mortar]

This is the big spoiler chat kekw

[hybrid apex]

i think im a little stupid and its ||phantom||

[drowsy mortar]

Hornet being a half breed is a big part of the themes of the game, I think it's interesting that the Weavers sort of seem to see her as impure in a way for being half Wyrm

[naive cargo]

Yeah I like the implication that her wyrm heritage do show through at times

[midnight radish]

bro plays spoiler ranked for a living, dude has a degree in spoiling, dudes full name is Spoil D Game, bro finds spoils and repeats

dude has a monopoly on spoilers, all ready to send when threatened

[drowsy mortar]

Bro is in a channel called lore and expecting no spoilers

[midnight radish]

wait shit youre right

[void smelt]

Someone can explain to me the lore of the Widow?

[naive cargo]

Especially if we consider the fact that wyrm have the innate drive to build kingdoms or build followings

[drowsy mortar]

There is one big thing from this that is fascinating

I believe the Nature of Hornet's crest to "evolve" comes from her Wyrm side

[void smelt]

pls

[drowsy mortar]

It would fit with what we know about the PK's ability to form change

So to stop the Silk Mother, she makes use of both sides

Binding her silk with the Weaver half, and using that energy to evolve with the Wyrm

[verbal jacinth]

Does anyone know where the key is for the Whiteward. Not the key TO the whiteward, for the weird mechanism inside ofit

[drowsy mortar]

Cool af that we actually get to hear Herrah's voice now

Also big lore drop that the dreamers do have different faces under their masks

The masks themselves possibly being what seals the dreamer, which would make sense

Also holy shit child of three Queens is canon

[bitter echo]

If you figure out what those two entries are, can you please @ me?

[cold axle]

does anyone know where to get the other 4 shardillards to fill out its codex?

[naive cargo]

Three queens being canon after all this time fucked me up

[cold axle]

and also what the fuck is this entry that i'm missing?

[golden quarry]

watcher at the edge

you remember a weird spot in sands of karak with just a body?

[midnight vault]

(Act 3 Spoiler) ||The Lifeblood higher being is no different than the infection it just takes a more direct route just look at what happens to the wormways||

[golden quarry]

you can silk soar up from there

[cold axle]

damn, i do not

but i'll scour it, thank you

[drowsy mortar]

I have a big question

Is Hornet actually communing with WL in the Red Memory?

She can enter dreams and this is close enough to one to be possible

[plush bridge]

Unclear, but most likely it's just her own mind's version of the White Lady.

[bitter echo]

Sadly I think it's impossible to tell, either could be true, communicating with the real White Lady or just a dream White Lady

[drowsy mortar]

Interesting

Still wild we got confirmation that the OG backstory is still canon

[vital ruin]

Can I say like spoilers here or do I gotta censor

[drowsy mortar]

Spoil away my friend

[cold axle]

censoring is polite tho

courteous but not demanded

[vital ruin]

Okie dokie

When you beat ||silk mother and bind with her, why do hornet's mask turn silver?||

Whoopsie

[drowsy mortar]

She is evolving into a HB at that point

[vital ruin]

What is HB

[drowsy mortar]

Higher Being

Basically Hornet used the Silk Mother to upgrade her crest to God status

[vital ruin]

Do you think it has to do with anything about steel soul mode?

[vital ruin]

Oh this makes more sense

[drowsy mortar]

Not sure, it's way too early to get info on SS mode atm people are just finishing true ending

[vital ruin]

Ok but why not just kill ||silk mother||

[golden quarry]

thank god this game is a sequel i had the painful thought lingering at the back of my mind that there might be a prequel twist coming

[drowsy mortar]

To actually kill a HB takes a lot

To kill Rad it took an entirely opposite divine force

[vital ruin]

I meannn

[plush bridge]

As it so happens, killing a god is not as simple as beating it until it dies.

[vital ruin]

Yeah you right

[drowsy mortar]

Silk Mother similarly only "dies" when she is consumed by the void

[vital ruin]

Yeah I knew the game was good when hornet mentioned that she was from another kingdom in the first few lines of dialogue

[naive cargo]

Given the void lore, hell even uniting the void is a constant effort

[drowsy mortar]

The void is still in conflict even in this game

SL has to save Hornet from it in the secret ending

[golden quarry]

i knew in my heart that confirmed it but it still lingered as ambigious in my mind until true ending

[drowsy mortar]

Hornet is not from another kingdom

The Weavers are

[plush bridge]

I mean, I thought it was pretty obvious from the point where Hornet claps back at Lace about how it's not the first time they've seen Gods die before.

[vital ruin]

True ending ||is the void creature that saves hornet the knight or the hollow knight? The horns look different from the Knight's but the hollow knight has a different shadow||

[drowsy mortar]

Hornet was born in Hallownest shortly before Herrah entered her sleep

[golden quarry]

yeah but you can cope about that being pale king's dead body

[drowsy mortar]

It is the Knight

The Knight embodies the Shade Lord, even if the horns are a little off from the usual

[chilly finch]

||the knight, in the dream no more ending we see how the hollow knight's shade is grown up ||

[drowsy mortar]

Also this

[chilly finch]

you can also see those horns in the dream no more ending

man i love hollow knight

[plush bridge]

That plus the lines about Lifeblood and its resemblance to Radiance's infection.

[drowsy mortar]

The real question is how does Hornet....materialize the Everbloom?

[vital ruin]

Also lowkey, ||how far away is pharloom from hallownest? The shade lord must've travelled like forever to get to hornet||

[drowsy mortar]

Red Memory is a dream, but she has a physical flower on her

[drowsy mortar]

As per Delicate Flower, SL is tied to the Everbloom

[plush bridge]

It seems if you shove enough power into somebody, dreams and memory can in fact form into physical reality. Which does line up with how we've seen it in the first game.

[drowsy mortar]

But in terms of distance it's really fucking far

[vital ruin]

What is everbloom I was spoiled for the true ending

[drowsy mortar]

It's the white flower that Hornet uses to enter the final boss area

[plush bridge]

It is the proper name of the Delicate Flower.

[vital ruin]

Is that not a delicate flower

Or is that it's actual name

[plush bridge]

The latter.

[drowsy mortar]

Yes it is but it's official name in Silksong is Everbloom

[vital ruin]

Doesnt the everbloom like, repel the void

[plush bridge]

It does seem to be anathemic to the Void, at least to an extent.

[naive cargo]

Pretty far but also not crazy far because we one other npc that has relations to hallownest

[drowsy mortar]

It summons SL somehow in the ending cutscene so there's a lot of questions there

[vital ruin]

Well the knight is the SL so maybe he can just materialize wherever there's void

[foggy fractal]

hey window

[vital ruin]

There are bugs from hallownest in pharloom?

All the weavers from hollow knight r dead

[plush bridge]

Or that space inside the Void Sea doesn't adhere to natural physical laws. We already know it has some effect on time, so space is not off the table.

[vital ruin]

The void effects time?

[plush bridge]

It's something mentioned in the Pale King's workshop, that hidden area in White Palace.

[vital ruin]

Ooohh

Alrighty

Also another question, is hornet actually made of void?

[drowsy mortar]

The "power to defy time" is a reference to Rad iirc

[drowsy mortar]

No Hornet is very explicitly not Void

[naive cargo]

Well title alone I think but we meet a || sprintmaster ||

[golden quarry]

sister of void not made of void

[drowsy mortar]

That's why she needs Everbloom, if she stays too close to the void for too long she'll die

[plush bridge]

This is true, though the whole thing with the cocoons is... still weird? Like why is there like a momentary shade-like thing inside?

[golden quarry]

that's just her godlike essence probably

[drowsy mortar]

Same thing was mentioned in HK, she can't stay in Black Egg because it's too void sustaining

[naive cargo]

I thought it was a dried up husk

[vital ruin]

Sprint master in pharloom??

[foggy fractal]

yep

sprint master ||swift|| tied to a quest in ||act 3||

[plush bridge]

I suppose there's a vaguely similar effect with the coral guys, but also the way it's pitch black and looks like the odd void particles still sticks out to me as a very particular choice.

[naive cargo]

Oh No doubt

[vital ruin]

Lowkey it kinda is weird the black particles

[naive cargo]

Interesting choice given the first demo we had didn’t include at all

[golden quarry]

technically mister mush is here so he counts as one

[vital ruin]

Cuz when you freeze to death you don't expell a black screen, you just turn into ice

[vital ruin]

Holy moly there's 3 acts?

[plush bridge]

Makes me wonder if it's some kind of stain from her previous Void exposure or something.

[vital ruin]

Void silk

[golden quarry]

i probably should've screenshoted it but im pretty sure mister mush's final meeting dialogue implies there will be a 3rd hollow knight game

[vital ruin]

No one else is prominent in the roadster who isn't already dead

[golden quarry]

and?

not only does the dialogue imply he's going to see her at her next adventure there would be nothing stopping tc from expanding the lore with a new character in a new kingdom

[naive cargo]

Well there’s The Hollow Knight who’s missing entirely especially that true ending cutscene

[vital ruin]

I need a hollow knight game where I can play the hollow knight

[plush bridge]

Honestly am kind of interested to know what happens to the pair after they get out of the Abyss.

[vital ruin]

By then I'll be too old to play silksong

[vital ruin]

It leads to the events of hollow knight cuz silksong is a prequel 🔥🔥

[naive cargo]

Would love a third game but I just want to see my boi sharpe and steel lore… please…

[vital ruin]

I kinda want team cherry to make shorter games bc I don't have enough time to play long hours

But it's wtvr

Is the hollow knight in silksong?

[golden quarry]

no the knight is though

[vital ruin]

I need to know what happened after hornet's encounter with the hollow knight

[naive cargo]

It’s up in the air

[vital ruin]

Yeah but what happened after godseeker ending

[civic linden]

what is the lore behind 4th chorus

[naive cargo]

Bug souls in mech for immortality

[golden quarry]

yeah it is weird that despite godseeker endings being the sequel bait they're still basically leaving it in the air which of the 3 true ending offshoots are the canon one

[foggy fractal]

yeah whatever happend to that I wonder

[vital ruin]

So much of a bum he got discarded to the plebeian bugs

Has anyone found any of the steel soul enemies that were in the trailers?

[golden quarry]

no they're probably in steel soul

[naive cargo]

Steel lore is too crazy that they need a big game content update for it….

[foggy fractal]

👹

[vital ruin]

They're soul reapers and they make sure when you quit the game to bench warp, they'll be there.

[glad girder]

just learned that hornet likes touching animal fur and is saddened when she cant

coral furm journal notes

[vital ruin]

Where r the silksong mods for invincibility

[glad girder]

no way yall r already modding 💔

[naive cargo]

Mods for hard games do come out quickly

[glad girder]

hornet is just a kid who never got to be one :(

skill issue imo

[vital ruin]

Tryin to spoil the 100% steel soul ending

[naive cargo]

Yeah usually that happens when your birth comes from a bargain

[glad girder]

wild

[glad girder]

yeah but right afterwards the infection spread and her mother was trapped in an eternal slumber

she became a hunter then everyone she fell in love with died

[vital ruin]

All the bugs in hallownest were chopped anyways

[glad girder]

the saddest part is that she still enjoys childish things like touching soft fur when she can

[civic linden]

does steel soul have a different ending

[vital ruin]

Yeah

[glad girder]

who knows

wait what?

[spark valve]

no

[glad girder]

I’M NEVER GETTING THAT ENDING 😭

[vital ruin]

Ok vro

[vital ruin]

Dude true ending lowkey impossible

Final ||lace fight looks straight out of modded hk||

[naive cargo]

As far as I can see steel soul has no difference besides a cool title screen if you complete it

Which probably isn’t the case cause hollow knight had at least two different things

Tuk dying and of course jinn

[vital ruin]

Well it prob does have a new ending cuz

Silksong is cooler

[vital ruin]

Also those silk cocoon things r prob gonna be replaced with like rosaries

And I need rosaries

[ruby kelp]

i think its interesting that because of something that only appears for like a couple of frames of animation team cherry confirmed which ending of HK happened

[warm karma]

Real though its like pure vessel on roids

[ruby kelp]

its peak though

its also crazy that final a game dev gets it

so often especially in soulslikes the final boss isnt the true challenge

there was not a fight that pushed me to my limit more than ||lost lace||

[warm karma]

Ive heard rumors that the steel assassin fight is exclusive to that mode as nobody has found it yet

[ruby kelp]

using over 700 craft shards to use my ||lifeblood injector|| just to see more and more of the fight to be prepared

[ruby kelp]

it probably is

[runic musk]

Best fight in the game tbh

[ruby kelp]

best fight across both games

[runic musk]

Even no hit it later on

[ruby kelp]

this rivals NKG for me

and pure vessel

[naive cargo]

Sharpe promo material is removed from the press kit

[warm karma]

Apparently theres supposed to be a shakra fight as well

[ruby kelp]

i dont think theres a ||shakra|| right because it would be an achievement

[naive cargo]

While the ant queen promo material is still there

[runic musk]

If its not Steel Soul exclusive think it'll be dlc?

[ruby kelp]

plus like

it doesnt fit into her arc to ||fight us||

[naive cargo]

Probably dlc but man… kicks rock it blows

[warm karma]

Someone just uploaded this

https://youtu.be/L0kZl7AyHnE?si=NZavxYGubfdUygko

Apparently its supposed to be a friendly duel rather than a high stakes boss similar to sly and the nailmasters from HK

[ruby kelp]

alright this is sick lol

[runic musk]

The fight tracks such

[ruby kelp]

i just find it interesting that every other npc we eventualyl fight is and achievement but she isnt

i wonder if when we get the hall of gods equivalent this will be included

[runic musk]

So we beat the shit out of all our allies at least once besides the rider dude?

[lusty walrus]

Is the Silksong story summarized or explained somewhere yet?

[covert tusk]

https://youtu.be/U7FTP7ByOlI?si=hVVCPIZTyT_YMThA MY THIRTEENTH REASON

[half dirge]

There is

[runic musk]

Literally as I just say that LMAO

huh so we do beat the shit out of all our allies at least once

[ruby kelp]

this kinda reminds me im kinda bummed this doesnt exist

i get why but like. boss refights would help a lot for speedrunning or steelsoul practice

[ruby kelp]

getting ready for Sherma secret boss

[covert tusk]

Dude we fucking KILL garmond 😭

[novel eagle]

where is the grand garmound boss fight
U know the guy loyal mergwin keeps on glazin about

[ruby kelp]

i dont think we get one

[novel eagle]

no there is one definitely

[covert tusk]

So have the proper requirements for the Silk and Soul quest been discovered yet or are we still unsure, cuz I have fleatopia but not all the silk hearts or skills and idk if that’s needed

[warm karma]

Even if not an achievement i wonder if theres some sort of secret if you duel her enough times

[ruby kelp]

i checked out the guy in act 3 after already having done his quest

[warm karma]

Like witg white defender and GPZ

[dull portal]

what do we know about the last judge?

[ruby kelp]

actually wait i think maybe you have to ||Needolin||

[novel eagle]

she judges you /j

[covert tusk]

Also this is a minor thing but I like the detail that they look so similar, it adds an in universe reason why vessels didn’t cause a mass panic for the few that escaped, they just look like normal bugs

[daring bolt]

So, there is nothing about the pale king?

[novel eagle]

Nothing about the pale empire

Other than the flower ofc

[ruby kelp]

not specifically

but i feel like we got a lot more info about Pale Beings in generalk

[runic musk]

My best guesses are
• complete all quests
• move fleas to final spot

I believe the former is garauntee because for me the quest didnt show up until I finished Shakras quest, which is in Bellhome and NOT Songclave unless its at every quest board.

[novel eagle]

[ruby kelp]

fleas are required yes

[warm karma]

Do we not see him in the flashbacks?

[ruby kelp]

oh yeah ABOUT this flower

[warm karma]

Like in true ending

[novel eagle]

In the red memory? no

[covert tusk]

Like all quests on the town quest boards or like, ALLLLL quests??

[ruby kelp]

so like. does this + ||the shade lord appearing in the sister of the void ending|| mean that uh

||this game takes place AFTER flower godhome?||

[daring bolt]

If you mean the first game, I mean the second one.

[runic musk]

Is my guess given when it triggered for me.

[novel eagle]

apparently it is a sequel but it doesn't canonize one endings over the other idk hwo it works

[ruby kelp]

no its a sequel but it def decanonizes a few things

[warm karma]

I mean tge second one cuz tgeres a memory sequence as well

[ruby kelp]

Sealed Siblings for one

[novel eagle]

all endings r canon fr

[runic musk]

I mean

Seeing the Shade Lord flash signifies Godhome to me.

[novel eagle]

this game could be a coma dream 💯

[ruby kelp]

okay well im saying that Sealed Siblings isnt possible

[warm karma]

All endings are canon but only one leads to silksong

[novel eagle]

coma dream

[ruby kelp]

yeah and Flower leads to the Godhome Flower ending specifically

although Hornet might just have Known about the flower

[warm karma]

I dont get why people put so much weight on seeing shade lord when the form ghost takes in the cutscene is only seen in dream no more

[ruby kelp]

dialogue is unclear if she knew or found out cause of the flower ending

[ruby kelp]

this is why the flower lore is important

[runic musk]

Seems kind of odd to flash it if it would mean absolutely nothing to me

[novel eagle]

u get the flower from the red memory, an item given to you by the white tree woman
So yes she knew about the flower

[ruby kelp]

yes but from where

aka did she learn about it being anti-void FROM flower godhome ending

[warm karma]

I think its more that the shade lord is a primordial entity that always exists

Cause if it was godhome it would be shadelord saving hornet (not ghosts shade)

[runic musk]

Didnt White Lady in the memory say it has anti-void properties though?

[ruby kelp]

yes but hornet already knew this before exploring her memory. and the white lady in the memory is like. sort of also the Actual White Lady?

[warm karma]

She may have just known about the flower cause remember hornet is old af

And the child of a god

Surely pale king knew the delicate flower resisted void

[ruby kelp]

Like the White Lady speaks to hornet as if shes sentient

[runic musk]

Also wanna say I like the white outfit in that memory lol

[ruby kelp]

probably a property of pale beings that Memories of them are also Them

[novel eagle]

also like dou think trobbio has a connection to the other theatre guy
wut was his name in hk

[ruby kelp]

i dont think Trobbio is connected to Grimm

i think if they met they would be besties though

[novel eagle]

ohk

[ruby kelp]

Trobbio is a weird charactert

[runic musk]

Damn good trinket he drops though

[warm karma]

Hes flamboyant af

[runic musk]

Mushroom charm if it was actually good

[ruby kelp]

him getting a Trading card and a bunch of stuff promoting him is just. why does he seem so important

i love him and his charm but

[glad girder]

anyone gonna talk about how creige is a slimy mf?

[ruby kelp]

his importance in both lore and story is

[glad girder]

he sends u down to get rid of his ant infestation without telling u abt it even tho it was dangerous

[runic musk]

Tbf Phantom is a card as well and they're just an act 2 gate unless I missed something about them.

[ruby kelp]

||theyre another Silk Being like Lace||

also gives you the best spell in the game imo

look i have my skills bound to LB i get to Nine Sols in this shit

[daring bolt]

They're all insects, right? The white lady too?

[naive cargo]

theres roots, beasts and bugs

[runic musk]

Also hi Window been a while was sad to seen you gone :(

[ruby kelp]

Insect is also vague when it comes to hk and ss

Some are super referential (stags and the ants in silksong)

While there’s also just Generic Bug tm

[naive cargo]

sure was now im just lamenting here after learning that they removed sharpe

[ruby kelp]

I personally think team cherry goes out into the Australian backyard and finds whatever silly creature lies undiscovered there

[runic musk]

Likely removed (hopefully) temporarily

[naive cargo]

hoping maybe I get proven wrong theyre are here or a quick TC announcement

[ruby kelp]

We think they’re exclusive to Steelsoul

[runic musk]

Can only hope they're a dlc boss unless someone finds them in Steel Soul

[daring bolt]

I wonder if everything that happens in the story is underground or if their world is made up of endless caves and caverns.

[ruby kelp]

We get confirmation on this in Silksong

[verbal jacinth]

Does anyone know where to get the last 7th crest? 😭

[wheat crane]

are u in act 3?

[naive cargo]

yeah the offical press kit for silksong had promo material of sharpe removed

[verbal jacinth]

Yuh yuh

[ruby kelp]

If you do the ||Mister Mushroom|| stuff you ||go to the surface above Pharloom||

[wheat crane]

im guessing u still need snail

its where the 3 snail shamans are, theres a lore tablet

[verbal jacinth]

Wdym surface

[novel eagle]

why is it still dark tho

[wheat crane]

go up that lore tablet

[novel eagle]

where the sun at

[ruby kelp]

Night time

[runic musk]

Oh yea I forgot that guy is back.

[wheat crane]

and theres the last crest

[ruby kelp]

Yes and he drops crazy lore

[short zenith]

Who is widow?

[verbal jacinth]

Oh no i understand tha i did it already

Its just i dont recall the surface?

[ruby kelp]

If you go to where ||mister mushroom|| blasted off you go to the surface

[daring bolt]

The Higher Beings are insect gods or are they just very strong?

[ruby kelp]

You get a medallion there for display in your home

[verbal jacinth]

I didnt know you could, i used all my abilities and couldnt go up there

[warm karma]

Most are insects but a lot are arachnids

[verbal jacinth]

man, do i gotta go back up there now???

[runic musk]

Where do you start it?

[ruby kelp]

You dont even need ||Silk Soar|| you just need wall jump

[verbal jacinth]

As if the path of shroom wasnt already tedious enough

[daring bolt]

hornet is half spider indeed

[warm karma]

I wonder what hornet is though? Is she like half insect half arachnid? Is PK and insect?

[runic musk]

True final boss easily best boss

[verbal jacinth]

Ill go up there tomorrow so i can get the decoration

[ruby kelp]

Room above pale lake up a ledge on right side. You need ||silk soar|| for it

[runic musk]

Oh THAT

Got it

[warm karma]

That doesn’t make biological sense

[ruby kelp]

Bro says some crazy shit at the end

[novel eagle]

cogwork dancers

[ruby kelp]

She is half Pale half Arachnid

[verbal jacinth]

I dont recall seeing a lore tablet with a crest?

[ruby kelp]

All of them except ||Bilewater||

[verbal jacinth]

I saw A tablet but not one that gave me a crest at all

[warm karma]

But neither does a wyrm fucking a root

[runic musk]

||Bilewater can go fuck itself||

[wheat crane]

yeah

[tired crystal]

Yo I just beat the bug vine boss. I have been playing in japanese and havent really understood the story. This game is kinda like majora's mask to the first game right

[warm karma]

And creating void children somehow?

[wheat crane]

u need to use that up dash ability

[verbal jacinth]

Ew..

[wheat crane]

near that tablet

[verbal jacinth]

Aight i guess i got work to do tomorrow

[ruby kelp]

Pale beings notably are not insects

[wheat crane]

wait, not only mr mushroom can go to the surface, but so can hornet?

[verbal jacinth]

there needs to be more lore about the surface

And the outside world and everything about the world in general

[daring bolt]

The ending where Radiance is consumed by the Void God is canon, right?

[verbal jacinth]

Cuz all there really is is the wastelands, pharloom and hallownest

[ruby kelp]

Yeah

It also gives you a shortcut back down and a memento to display at hornets home

A well earned one ofc

[dull portal]

what do we know about the last judge in lore so far

[gilded beacon]

What the hell happened to Karak sands??

[ruby kelp]

Yep!

[gilded beacon]

I feel scammed

[verbal jacinth]

OH COME ON

I WENT ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN NORMALLY

YOURE TELLING ME THAT MY ASS COULDVE WALLJUMPED UP THE WALLS THAT DIDNT LOOK LIKE THEY COULD BE WALLJUMPED??

Now i gotta go do it a second time :((((

[verbal jacinth]

Me and a friend were mad about that too

[runic musk]

No

I rushed to the final ending lol (71%)

[verbal jacinth]

They took this beautiful looking place away and yet we got a dried out one instead..

[ruby kelp]

Requires all tools, all crests, all tool damage and capacity upgrades, all silk skills and movement abilities, All crests upgraded to their max (including ||binding eva||), and probably a bunch of other stuff

Notably what’s missing is relics, certain bosses, and oddly enough most Wishes?

I kinda figured All Wishes would be a requirement for 100%

[gilded beacon]

Not only that, but they also teased it A LOT in trailers and even did 17 different enemies!!
Something completely changed mid development, same with Verdania

[verbal jacinth]

You cant upgrade the other crests tho can you??

[foggy fractal]

nope

[verbal jacinth]

I only got the chance to upgrade the hunter one

[runic musk]

Yea kind of odd of them to do

[ruby kelp]

You can unlock the charm slots

[verbal jacinth]

Oh thats what you meant

[ruby kelp]

Yeah

[verbal jacinth]

Blaahh blah blah ok..

[runic musk]

Why they introduce a wide variety of crests but exclusively upgrade the default one like?????

[verbal jacinth]

Ngl here

[ruby kelp]

Because it didn’t have a gimmick at lvl 1

[verbal jacinth]

Did you find the secret boss in sands of karak?

[runic musk]

The default crest isnt even bad at all even at base

[ruby kelp]

Yeah but it’s just There

[foggy fractal]

wonder if there is any steel soul exclusive content in silksong
god knows I'm not doing that cuz I would die in the first 30 minutes

[verbal jacinth]

Because the secret boss references the old Sands of Karak

[ruby kelp]

This is the case

[verbal jacinth]

Its one of the enemies from the screenshot on the game page

[ruby kelp]

Yeah

[verbal jacinth]

But dull coloured

[runic musk]

The Focus gimmick is cool though I like it rewards not getting hit for extended time

[verbal jacinth]

Makes me wonder why they scrapped it

[ruby kelp]

Well okay you do fight those in fact you have to

[runic musk]

Default

[ruby kelp]

For the ||Heart to get the everbloom||

[verbal jacinth]

Whatre all the decorations anyway

[ruby kelp]

reaper

[verbal jacinth]

Hunter all the way thru and thru

[ruby kelp]

Or default. I think ||witch|| is also amazing but it’s Bind is not great

[half dirge]

Beast

[runic musk]

Get uses to the pogo learning curve and the default crest is very nice

[ruby kelp]

It has the best attacks in the game balanced by the worst bind

[verbal jacinth]

I never understood peoples hate for the diagonal pogo

[ruby kelp]

||Shaman|| is fun

[runic musk]

I can see Witch being funny if you combine it with Trobbios trinket

[foggy fractal]

seems like a lot of people's favourite crest is reaper

[ruby kelp]

I don’t understand ||Shaman’s|| bind though

[runic musk]

At least I hope Witch works with Trobbios trinket

Make the heal a nuke

[ruby kelp]

It does!

This plus the quick focus tool and uh

Hornet becomes a Bomb

[runic musk]

The mirror thing

[stark sparrow]

I instantly clicked w/ wanderer

Find it a bit funny my favorite's a port of the first game's moveset

[ruby kelp]

Wanderer is very funny but

It’s so STUBBY

[runic musk]

Wanderer looks alright but that range puts me off idc if the pogo is the old one.

[ruby kelp]

Even with the Longnail-esque tool

Opinion disregarded

Fight is peak I love how it looks

[runic musk]

I liked the fight personally, it only really gets to shine when you do the Cursed ending

[ruby kelp]

Yeah

[gilded beacon]

What hurts me more is this, this room.

This implies that at some point there were plans for this to be a WHOLE area, not only that, but with its own boss fight, enemies and lore, and we only got ton of sand??

Genuinely I want to know what the hell happened, and if they will add it back in a future update/dlc

[verbal jacinth]

IT LOOKS GORGEOUS

[foggy fractal]

also wonder what happened with that barnacle town in greymoor shown in 2019 trailer

[verbal jacinth]

LIKE WHY DID THEY SCRAP THIS SHIT MAN

[half dirge]

You get to fight silk, not as grand as the sun but It's SILK

[verbal jacinth]

It feels like so much stuff was gutted for no damn reason

[ruby kelp]

We’re all gonna play steel soul and Sands of Karak are just gonna be replaced by this

[verbal jacinth]

Either that or they saved it for dlc to just get the game out

[stark sparrow]

you're essentially getting a basekit quick nail in exchange of range.

Besides, you get a railgun in the game so range really wasn't a concern for me

[runic musk]

Icl though first seeing ||Silk Mother my mind went to "oh my god its Radiance again??'"||

[ruby kelp]

Well she isn’t Radiance

She’s the Hollow Knight, and with that comparison

[gilded beacon]

I pray

[verbal jacinth]

I hope so

I hope steel soul has plenty of new content

[ruby kelp]

I might give it a go, I just kinda don’t want to go searching mode

Like I want a complete tracker map before I do Steel Soul

[runic musk]

Oh yea seeing the choral area be relegated to JUST Collessium of Fools lite and thats it made me so sad.

[dense chasm]

Is there an alt vers of ||grand mother silk|| if you 100%

[verbal jacinth]

Agreed

[runic musk]

Yes

[ruby kelp]

Okay but the boss at the end was sick

[dense chasm]

Ooh

[ruby kelp]

I want to highlight actually

[verbal jacinth]

Can you get all 4 hearts btw?

[runic musk]

The boss wasnt that hard but they were very fun

[ruby kelp]

Imo the kickstarter backer bosses in HK, while they looked cool were uh

[foggy fractal]

I don't think there are many options

1. TC just didn't like the area and reduced it down to what we have now ||sands of karak & coral tower in act 3 dream sequence||
2. They're reserving it for dlc down the line
3. Steel Soul exclusive content no one has discovered

[verbal jacinth]

I accidentally got the combined one from the Prince but

[ruby kelp]

Kinda ass?

[verbal jacinth]

Idk if that ruins my chance of getting the other 2

[ruby kelp]

Like Markoth is a sin to gaming

[dense chasm]

THERES AN ACT 3?????

Oh shit I’m getting too many spoilers bye

[ruby kelp]

All the Kickstarter Bosses in this game were AMAZINF

[half dirge]

If steel soul has that much exclusive content then that 100% badge is going to be a living hell

[ruby kelp]

||Seth especially was a highlight||

[runic musk]

TC did a good job with them yea

[foggy fractal]

yeah I highly doubt its steel soul exclusive content

[ruby kelp]

This fight is on par with Lace 2 for me

[gilded beacon]

I they LIKED it,
They made 18 different enemies, and showed it a lot in trailers, they themselves where hyped about it

[verbal jacinth]

Sadly it prolly wont be.

[verbal jacinth]

In all fairness

[ruby kelp]

When was the last trailer they were in

[verbal jacinth]

One of the few enemies they showed IN THAT AREA

had a steel soul designed enemy in it

[ruby kelp]

I swore I saw the Jinn looking guy in the release date announcement trailer

[verbal jacinth]

It could genuinely be steel soul content for that reason alone

[verbal jacinth]

Older trailer

[runic musk]

Oh yea I wish more bosses had an alternative kill like Fourth Chorus did

[verbal jacinth]

Wdym alt kill

[runic musk]

You can crush their skull in or just attack them enough

[verbal jacinth]

Oh thats silly

[foggy fractal]

idk maybe they changed their mind
I wouldn't put it behind them
not to say I don't question the validity of this take, feels really odd for them to remove it

[runic musk]

Its when the wind comes into play

[gilded beacon]

Also, looking now at the trailers I realize how much of these rooms and areas where scrapped...
I suppose that they'll add them in future updates

[naive cargo]

on one doubter hand, the 2019 trailer really was a proof of concept

[gilded beacon]

I'm not saying that they're wrong, I'm saying that's it's super odd showing extensively an area and then scrap it, I just want an explanation

[ruby kelp]

I mean

[naive cargo]

but as others said it could be the case they want it to have a full spotlight

but im picking it as a proof of concept of neat ideas they were spit balling

[foggy fractal]

its like red pill blue pill 😭 either its all gone or we'll get what we've seen and more later in dlc

[ruby kelp]

Team cherry doesn’t own us an area

The game has a ton of content already LOL

[naive cargo]

they own ME specifically

[ruby kelp]

*owes

[naive cargo]

I theorize for SEVEN years what the steel lore could be

[runic musk]

to show it

[naive cargo]

and I get one mention in a lore tablet

[cold axle]

does this little room have anything in it, or just the...fuck, beast shard? off to the right?

i've been here like three times

[foggy fractal]

where is this again

[cold axle]

and haven't found anything yet

[runic musk]

seems to just be the beast shard

theres a lot of hidden areas that are just shard spots

[foggy fractal]

probably just a beast shard

[cold axle]

directly west of the steps bellway

[runic musk]

its kind of infuriating to me lol

[cold axle]

below the sands shortcut

dlc bullshit maybe

[gilded beacon]

They also changed Verdania for fucking Wormways
And the Barnacle area was completely scrapped as far as I know

[runic musk]

yet you can see remnants in Memorial

[cold axle]

god i really hope we get more in the dlc

of verdania and coral

[foggy fractal]

yeah the act 3 dream sequences to get the hearts all seem like much more official areas before they were cut down for some reason

[cold axle]

hoping and coping

[modern hollow]

It'll prolly be explored in a later update potentially

[runic musk]

i wonder if those would count as fatal for Steel Soul or not

[cold axle]

coral tower is so fucking gorgeous

[runic musk]

given you dont lose anything when you "die" in them

[modern hollow]

Im just more impressed that other groups of people have dream magic other than moths

[naive cargo]

well there had to be

grimm troupe exists LOL

[modern hollow]

Theyre nightmare magic

Completely different /s

[bitter echo]

Use your needolin for a very weird encounter

[celest furnace]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[gilded beacon]

Behold!
The image of scrapped content!!

Jokes aside this means that Verdania and Karak were going to be actual areas.
I'm also pissed that they did Karmekita so dirty

It was this pic mb

[bitter echo]

trust dlc please be dlc please please please

[modern hollow]

Blasted steps with coral??

[foggy fractal]

the fight was awesome it just felt like there was no build up

[gilded beacon]

Let's pray

[modern hollow]

Wait that would have been cool i think

[cold axle]

oh? i've tried it more than once

does it need to be down needle?

[bitter echo]

You need to hold it for a while

[modern hollow]

I do hope we get a dlc to explore more of pharloom before the haunting

[gilded beacon]

It's really the same placement that there currently is

[runic musk]

oh yea one thing i underestimated how much range the sprint attack the Hunters crest has good god it has a lot of range

[bitter echo]

I did it in Act II, so just normal needolin, I have been there since entering Act III and couldn't figure out if there is truly anything there outside of the weird encounter

[modern hollow]

Im also kinda sad we didn't get a path of pain like segment somewhere in the citadel

Maybe i havent found it yet but I like a good platforming challenge

[naive cargo]

path of pain was "dlc"

[runic musk]

honestly i dont mind it the average platforming is in general harder than HK

[gilded beacon]

The closets thing was Cogworks

[naive cargo]

it was added in the grimm troupe update

[modern hollow]

One day

[bitter echo]

There is ONE decent platforming area, but it's nowhere near as long as White Palace, and not as hard as Path of Pain

[gilded beacon]

And in Act 3 it closes

[runic musk]

Cogworks and that Mountain were fun platforming challenges tbh

[modern hollow]

Well yea thats all of mount fay

[whole hawk]

Act 3 is so fucking good man. Its legit the Inverted Castle of the new generation.

[cold axle]

i loved mount fay so much

[modern hollow]

Speaking of which did anybody else find mask maker there or is it just me

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, but outside the Brightvein there's no reason to go back there

[runic musk]

you have to for a delivery quest

[modern hollow]

HES THE DELIVERY REQUESTEE?

[runic musk]

one of them

[bitter echo]

You can actually get a delivery for him from the couriers in Act III, brutal route to get to him though

[dim epoch]

i need a mossbag video

[modern hollow]

Yk maybe I'll hold off for now cuz act 3 stuff

[runic musk]

they have 2?

because i did their delivery in act 2

[bitter echo]

I probably did it late

Which is to say, way harder 😭

[cold axle]

would appreciate if someone could direct me to all of the enemy codices i'm missing

[dim epoch]

i found him

[modern hollow]

I kinda wonder how he was able to request a delivery in thr first place considering he's all the way up there

[runic musk]

yea i basically did every quest BUT Shakras before i got into Act 3 because apparently i was missing like 1 fucking map 🫠

[whole hawk]

So Sharpe is just scrapped right? Unless someone finds some wild stuff in steelsoul mode.

[bitter echo]

I have been looking for these two all day, seen a couple people also missing them, seemingly no one has them

[runic musk]

wait i worded that wrong

i did every quest before doing Shakras quest which was the last one i needed for Act 3

[gilded beacon]

What's been the WORST boss so far?

[cold axle]

i've been told that one is something in karak, but i've been digging for "a corpse alone where you can soar" and haven't successfully found it

[modern hollow]

Savage beastfly in beast chapel

[runic musk]

ehhhhhhh its hard for me to point to a particular boss to call 'the worst'

[modern hollow]

In terms of fighting experience

[runic musk]

Savage Beastfly is up there though

[cold axle]

have you found any of those shardillards after #1 either?

[lost lion]

so guys, I think dream no more MIGHT be the canon ending to hollow knight

[gilded beacon]

The second encounter is worse

[cold axle]

i've only found exactly one, not the other 4 needed to clear the entry

[naive cargo]

seems like it

[runic musk]

i found 2nd encounter easier ngl

[whole hawk]

Beastfly. And not because of adds.

[bitter echo]

This one is in The Sands of Karak iirc, there is a false ceiling you need to use super jump to get into

[modern hollow]

I had poison cogflies

[sly pendant]

Groat or whatever the frog thing was in bilewater

[naive cargo]

official press kit removed sharpe's promo material

[bitter echo]

Haven't looked for those yet

[modern hollow]

There's a second bench in bilewater you can reach to make it a lot less tedious

[runic musk]

honestly the boss themself i think is pretty good but they are MAJORLY held back by the egregious runback, which theres a hidden bench halfway up

[modern hollow]

He's also pretty weak to caltrops

[foggy fractal]

was Sharpe backer content or was he original ?

[naive cargo]

Backer content

[sly pendant]

I used it and even skipped the poison water on the way out and it was still horrid

[naive cargo]

so thats why im a bit confused

[lost lion]

i've found 2

[foggy fractal]

why would they scrap backer content ?

same same

[lost lion]

one in fey, one in far fields

[modern hollow]

Eh the boss itself was fine just tryna hit those regular enemies was rough

[runic musk]

probably couldnt fit them in or something happened

[naive cargo]

yeah

[gilded beacon]

How damn poisonous has to be that thing to poison gods, mechanical beings, ice crystals, etc..?

[modern hollow]

maybe its saved for a dlc

[modern hollow]

I brought cogflies to mount fay on accident tryna reach a boss

[whole hawk]

Lace probably took over all of Sharpe's roles

[naive cargo]

its a damn shame since he was the first enemy for this DLC turned full game

[modern hollow]

Good thing I have super dash now

[cold axle]

awesome, thanks

[foggy fractal]

I hope they'd give a more detailed explanation

probably not gonna happen though

[whole hawk]

I dont wanna make assumption but I will anyway.

[stark sparrow]

The Groal runback honestly reminded me of some of the DS2 runbacks. Especially if someone hasn't unlocked the secret bench in the area

[runic musk]

Oh yea I keep forgetting Harpoon could be used as a legitimate means of offense despite the game numerously making you use It to bounce off enemies.

[whole hawk]

I think Lace took on a ton of what Sharpe was supposed to be because of the lore of the game.

[gilded beacon]

Also, one of Sharpe companions, the big one was found in Karak Corals....

[lost lion]

no idea about the other what, 6?

[modern hollow]

Groal itself feels very blighttown coded

[foggy fractal]

he was ?

[lost lion]

3*

[whole hawk]

I think the entire overarching lore of Silksong was born out of William having kids now.

[stark sparrow]

Miyazaki needs to take notes of having a boss in the poison swamp.

[foggy fractal]

so the remnants of the big enemy could be found in the game rn ?

[modern hollow]

I thought it was his frustration with capitalism considering the underworks bench

[whole hawk]

It contrasts so much with how the Pale King treated the vessels and how Lace was saved by her own mother.

[gilded beacon]

There they are

[lost lion]

the overarching lore was born out of team cherry cooking up the most peak plot you could

[whole hawk]

And I think they needed Lave to be more important so they just got rid of Sharpe

[runic musk]

I do appreciate they made it so if you die you get to use the bench for free if its the most recent one instead of fucking you over

[foggy fractal]

yes and also the third assasin that they teased all the way back

[whole hawk]

Because the steel faction just muddied up things

[modern hollow]

I mean how else would they do that i suppose

[gilded beacon]

No, I mean that they would been found where the Coral area (Karak) is

[runic musk]

Make you respawn to the bench rested before it

[whole hawk]

But they can come back as DLC.

[gilded beacon]

Unless is dlc we won't see it ever again

[foggy fractal]

ik

seems like a unique encounter

because hornet wasn't in an arena or smth like that

[modern hollow]

Prolly a wish for all we know

[foggy fractal]

could've been

[runic musk]

Oh yea I like the 3 'cutscsnes' you get with the fleas

Especially the last one

[whole hawk]

Shoutouts to Seth by the way

TC perfectly immortalized him in this game

[gilded beacon]

Im not mad.... Well a little bit, but I'm mainly disappointed

[foggy fractal]

heres hoping that dlc down the line will include stuff that were revealed before but not in the base game

[gilded beacon]

He appears in the credits

[whole hawk]

Bless his soul

[modern hollow]

Yea by making his fight really hard for me the first few times

Then I realized u can just let him attack first and punish after like its dark souls

[gilded beacon]

I've also seen a pattern with the dream secuences tho

[dire sinew]

why has hornet gotten redder for silksong

[modern hollow]

Looked better honestly

[bitter echo]

Because Silksong is more colorful in general, had to match her or she looked too dim

[modern hollow]

I prefer more saturated hornet

[gilded beacon]

They just made everything more vibrant

[runic musk]

That tends to be how the required endgame bosses go I realize

[gilded beacon]

You know what would have been very colourful??!

[runic musk]

They very much want you to either punish or attack them when they are attacking, never when they aren't in either.

[modern hollow]

I was kinda joking by saying this is the elden ring of hollow knight

[gilded beacon]

The Coral Area....

[wind olive]

What are our thoughts on the || mask maker ||and what he says || once you remove his mask || ?

[runic musk]

You can remove it again?

[modern hollow]

Has anybody used the needolin by him

[wind olive]

I have

[foggy fractal]

I think they applied some sort of filter to the screen
if you look at the beastiary everything is more mellowed out which suggests that their actual sprites are less colourful

[wind olive]

Yes, heavy attack

[foggy fractal]

what does he look like under it

I'm too lazy to go and check

🐺

[modern hollow]

Prolly have some unique lighting thing for the biomes they're found in

[foggy fractal]

thank u

[naive cargo]

Oh my god

[runic musk]

Huh

[modern hollow]

Yk I sometimes wonder if its any significance that they share eyes with Mr mushroom

[naive cargo]

Mask maker is that devoted to his craft

I thought it was a different one

[jolly trout]

I've been asking in #sk-help and can't get an answer and i cannot think of anywhere else to look, where can i find ||Mr. Mushroom's|| second location?

[wind olive]

Idk, I think it's more important that he calls hornet "great old one" and "monarch"

[modern hollow]

I mean she is pretty old

[gilded beacon]

And a queen

[modern hollow]

Prolly all the mask makers commune with each other

[foggy fractal]

mr mushroom says that ? I always thought he talks to someone else seemingly and notices both the knight and hornet after
which promptly makes him leave

[bitter echo]

||Right above Bone Bottom||

[foggy fractal]

or you mean the new mask maker ?

[modern hollow]

Wait we talking bout the mushroom im dumb

[wind olive]

Does this insinuate that hornet became Queen of hollownest after the events in HK?

[jolly trout]

i swear i looked everywhere up there and didn't see him

[modern hollow]

To be fair who else can rule over it

[wind olive]

zote

[whole hawk]

Speaking of Mister Mushroom I cant believe they upgraded his quest as well especially the final location was perfect

[gilded beacon]

Maybe? All her siblings are dead so in the i guess that she would inherit the throne

[brisk plaza]

there isnt really much of hallownest in general left to rule over either, so

[gilded beacon]

Even if she isn't queen of Hallownest she would be queen of Deepnest

[modern hollow]

I do wonder if we will get more dlc involving the abyss though

[wind olive]

I think it's likely that she's both at this point.

[ruby kelp]

there is no Hallownest

it died

[lost lion]

I wish the knight interacted with hornet while she was awake in the ending

[whole hawk]

She's still half Wyrm. So she has the Mandate of Heaven regardless.

[ruby kelp]

yall the entire point of HK is that holding onto a dying kingdom is a bad thing

[modern hollow]

Prolly isn't able to do much as their role as shade lord unfortunately

[wind olive]

How did || mask maker || even get to pharloom anyways? Don't bugs generally lose their humanity once they leave the kingdom borders? On that note, how was hornet even transported in that case?

[lost lion]

I think Hornet isn't the ruler of Hallownest after HK, she didn't seem to want to claim the kings brand anyways

[ruby kelp]

Hornet is half pale being

[lost lion]

is it the same mask maker?

[ruby kelp]

plus not All Bugs lose their sentience

[bitter echo]

He's there

[foggy fractal]

does anybody know how to unlock the room to the left of bonegrave (sub area in moss grotto to the far left where you get one of the crests)

[wind olive]

Not hornet, the mask maker + the bugs who captured her

[gilded beacon]

Also, after upgrading the needle for a second time I'd gets a honey comb look, could this canonice the "Child of three Queens" theory?

[ruby kelp]

sorry misread the spoiler

but yeah its a differen mask maker

[wind olive]

Yes, he recognizes hornet in his dialogue

[ruby kelp]

the bugs that captured hornet were controlled by a Pale Being

[modern hollow]

Thats why i thought the 2 mask makers knew each other and shared info

[lost lion]

bugs who captured her are partial gods because of the silk experiments

[ruby kelp]

the mask maker literally says " i did not make your mask but i recognize its craft"

[vivid kernel]

whats ||silk mother|| lore

[modern hollow]

Speaking of weird things anybody figure out that weird door in the marrow

[ruby kelp]

which directly contradicts what Hallownest's mask maker says

[foggy fractal]

nah they look wildly different

[modern hollow]

With the massive face on

[ruby kelp]

its probably just that Mask Maker is a Title or like Secret Order of some kind

or like Nurse Joy

[foggy fractal]

its a one way from the other side involving a lava rising sequence which starts from a room below

[wind olive]

That's possible

[ruby kelp]

but yeah 0% chance that Silksong Mask Maker is the same one

[modern hollow]

Oh

[ruby kelp]

because they literally say they didnt make Hornets mask

[gilded beacon]

The one that's in a left wall??
That's just a shortcut

[wind olive]

Is hornet even wearing a mask?

[stark sparrow]

Isn't that in the far fields?

[ruby kelp]

yes

[modern hollow]

I thought it was more ngl

[ruby kelp]

as confirmed by this Mask maker

[wind olive]

Why wasn't it taken when she is kidnapped at the slab?

[foggy fractal]

any idea how to acess this room ?

[modern hollow]

Glued on

[ruby kelp]

i am convinced this room doesnt exist

[ruby kelp]

Masks in HK lore are weird

[foggy fractal]

same lmao

[ruby kelp]

they arent like Actual Clothing items theyre essentially Implants for a close comparison to irl

a Bug's mask is part of them, and the Bug is also part of the Mask

[foggy fractal]

this map could've been a datamined one which explains why the room doesn't seem to be in game

[ruby kelp]

the map is datamined yeah

[foggy fractal]

thought so

[ruby kelp]

its possible that its Steel Soul Only area

[wind olive]

I now feel like I violated the mask maker by forcibly removing his mask

[ruby kelp]

i mean

yes, which is the point of it

also wait sorry

[foggy fractal]

I will NOT be doing any of that base game was hard enough

[modern hollow]

You peeled off their skin I would be upset too

[ruby kelp]

im waiting for a real complete interactive map

[foggy fractal]

I died like 100 times

[ruby kelp]

and for us to know what counts for percentage

[gilded beacon]

They better tone down with the double damage

[ruby kelp]

NO

make bosses do 3 masks

[wind olive]

I beat the final boss in 3 tries but died to the savage bitchfly like 50+

[ruby kelp]

i think dying a bunch is okay

[gilded beacon]

Masochistism:

[foggy fractal]

final boss as in ||grand mother silk ?||

[wind olive]

yes

[ruby kelp]

i remember 100 tries on Ornstein and Smough in Dark Souls 1 for me to get it

[rancid river]

Hey guys the ||Cogwork Dancers|| make me sad. That's all that's the lore post /silly

[ruby kelp]

i like the challenge this game gives

[ruby kelp]

Oh it Gets Worse

[modern hollow]

They should make a 3rd one

[wind olive]

Hey, it's better than just being able to leave one

[foggy fractal]

the music goes so hard

[ruby kelp]

people compared HK to Souls a little too much but they forget its apt