sk-lore

[spark valve]

the layout of objects looks built for climbing

like what's happening in the clip

[real crater]

I meant the slopes we saw in Nintendo direct

[lusty sorrel]

they are in the same area

its probably a place like howling cliffs but snowy

[inner prawn]

the big slope of it might connect down to the right side of the map we haven't seen, maybe to greymoor. Maybe going up it leads to the right-side Citadel zones

[lusty sorrel]

doesn slope go left?

[rapid schooner]

Silksong will happen after the end of Mr. Mushroom, because it is the only ending that has a continuation at the end.

[inner prawn]

Yeah, down and left, so it would connect to the right side of an area if the entrance is directly at the bottom of that slope

[lusty sorrel]

looks like the slope is only for going down tho

bec she slides

[spark valve]

watch the trailer

[inner prawn]

The release trailer has the player going upwards. The slope could be for going back down quickly, or the trailer is showing a side-path to items

[spark valve]

if anything the slope is for going up and sliding down is just what happens if you fuck up the platforming

[lusty sorrel]

maybe it is like an escalator arrows going top right on top of each other

one is for going up one is for going down

[verbal hill]

i hope we can kill Mr mushroom in ss

dont ask why i jus got beef with that mf

[vestal swan]

He's probably immortal so even if you kill him he might not stay dead

[verbal hill]

btw its just 1 day, 23h and 54 minutes left

[vestal swan]

I need to hurry up and beat steel soul...

[inner prawn]

Just beat P5 with all bindings at once, then steel soul will be too easy for you

That's what I did

[vestal swan]

I have done that, it was years ago and I'm very rusty at playing the game to progress without upgrades

[plucky granite]

light work no reaction

[foggy tinsel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/vLZ8wasAAVY?si=gSDNaar80WsQpciH

[opal beacon]

bruh

[foggy tinsel]

Its gotta be real tho. I just cant prove it.

[native stratus]

I'd be more hyped about mister mushroom being in silksong.

seeing as that is almost certain

[sinful nimbus]

Dr Dustroach 🗣️

[oak drift]

https://tenor.com/view/mrmushroom-mr-mushroom-gif-7953296240539940343

[obsidian quail]

u think we’ll get any Path of Pain platforming?

[obsidian quail]

mushroom hater

i hope we see him

[sonic dragon]

I really like mossbags theory

[inner prawn]

I really hope so, but I don't think there's any hint of one right now. It might be weird to make because of the different moves crests have

[flat hearth]

46 hours left!!!

If you really think about it theres only 1 more full day left with no Silksong. Pretty crazy

[rancid river]

I'm so hyped all the electronics are going off until I beat it thou

[flat hearth]

Yea I won't be on this discord for a bit. It'll be a shit show anyway

[terse wadi]

Mine will be on, I'll just iggnore them

[real crater]

Ignoring discord is probably the most practical

[rancid river]

And all other social media lol

[inner prawn]

164760 seconds 'til Silksong

164,760,000,000,000 nanoseconds until Silksong

[midnight zinc]

I’m going off the grid for a week at least once it comes out

[verbal hill]

me too, so i can kill him

[verbal hill]

fair enough, i will do the same

[gentle aspen]

how are you gonna beat it with no electronics

[rancid river]

I mean... I'm obviously going to have the one I'm playing it on. Luckily, switch doesn't get social media notifications, so no spoilers to mute

[jaunty moon]

I am probably gonna get it 1 day after it relases

I really dont expect the steam servers to handle the traffic lmao

[flat hearth]

I'm waking up at 6:30 AM, making coffee and DLing that shit at 7 AM on the dot on Playstation store

Taking the day off work

[wintry moss]

That's nothing, I quit my job for ss

[inner prawn]

I left my wife and 12 kids for SS

[foggy tinsel]

Why didnt you leave yourself and become silksong

[flat hearth]

I love the dedication guys

[nova bluff]

my exact plan! xD

prbly including some toast

[flat hearth]

Can't go wrong with that

Lil bit of toast and song to start the day 👌

[exotic trellis]

Wiring it directly into their brain

[rancid river]

"How long is this flight?"
"Around 20 hours."
"Oh perfect! I can play Silksong!"
"You don't have your computer??"
"I have it memorized (closes eyes)"

[viscid ridge]

Yo last predictions, do you guys think the Bellbeast is going to talk like The Last Stag?

My gut tells me she isn't going to talk, because she looks more animalistic, but so does TLS so its not really proof that she doesn't talk

[nova bluff]

i dont think he'll talk tbh
seems more like an animal than the stag was

[viscid ridge]

Yeah same reasoning, but the Stag also looks very animalistic

[flat hearth]

Yea Bell Beast seems more animalistic to me too

Stag has a little harness and like idk more human in his face to me

plus the name "Beast"

But who knows, maybe it will talk

[viscid ridge]

Yeah thats fair

[rancid river]

Hmm, tricky one. I would really like it if she would, she seems like a very interesting character, what with you having to free, fight, and then presumably chase her before you even get to ride her, but she does undeniably seem pretty animalistic.
I wouldn't write her off as entirely "animal", she seems to have some intelligence, but she acts very different from TLS (again, the actions you have to take to access fast travel)

[viscid ridge]

Hopefully, but my gut says she isnt going to talk

[rancid river]

She sort of seems like a scared, cornered animal that Hornet has to sort of tame and train. Best parallel I can make is HTTYD

[viscid ridge]

That actually makes me think, how exactly are we going to unlock a bellbeast station?

We haven't seen any way to pay to unlock it like we did with the stag stations? Do we just unlock it when we find it? And also how do we call the bellbeast to the station? There isn't anything in the room that seems to allow us to summon her? Apart from maybe the bells hanging from the ceiling?

[blissful harbor]

there are bells hanging above the stations you can hit,my guess is after beating her she gives you something to use on them and they call her

lmao you already mentioned it damn

[viscid ridge]

Ooh yeah that does make sense, similar to the tram pass, maybe a wistle or something to summon her

[quartz salmon]

The giant bells that hang in every station are probably enough for the beast to hear you prob just ring those

[rancid river]

I don't think this is what's going to happen at all because it would be super annoying gameplay wise, but my personal crack head canon would be to fight her to unlock the stations. This is not an actual theory, I am like, 100% sure it's not going to be in the actual game, but it's fun to think about

[viscid ridge]

Idk, i dont think we are supposed to hit those to summon her, its so out of the way, and there are like 1000s of bells everywhere, so i think we'll use something else

[viscid ridge]

I think we'll only fight her once when we first see her. The stations we have already seen is way too small for a bossfight

[viscid ridge]

As senris said, i think we'll maybe get an item from the fight that lets us summon her.

[quartz salmon]

I think we may also be fighting Shakra at least for the first time? It would be cool

[rancid river]

Yeah, that's why I said I don't think it's actually going to happen 😆

[quartz salmon]

Well they're the only obviously interactable ones in those rooms

[viscid ridge]

I might be misrembering, but team cherry said somewhere that we'll fight shakra, so its a possibility

[blissful harbor]

90% sure the bells have something to do with it
i don’t think we literally get an item from bell beast, more like maybe a song to play on the bells

[rancid river]

Could maybe also do with Hornet's needle songs? Don't have any proof for this but might be fun :}

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, but i think we'll just stand next to that one pillar and maybe there will be a prompt to use item to summon the bellbeast

[viscid ridge]

Oooh thats a cool idea

[flat hearth]

Beast has exceptionally good hearing

[rancid river]

Hornet's needle playing is very interesting to me actually... Have we seen her do it at all outside of playing to NPCs? Even then, we've only seen her playing to the character at the end of the Mossy Grotto demo and that one Ant cosplayer(?)... I wonder what its use in gameplay will be

[quartz salmon]

It uses the same button as the dreamnail

Maybe their use is similar? Who knows

[viscid ridge]

I personally think we'll have the ability to collect songs and such, and maybe use specific songs with specific characters to get more dialogue (similar to dreamnail) or complete missions and such but it remains a mystery

But i think it's very important if team cherry has kept it's use secret for all this time

[sudden swallow]

I was thinking about the sequel or prequel debate
I would Lowkey love if Silksong is a prequel bc we'd get to (probably) meet characters from before hallownests fall,maybe monomon,Lurelin and Herrah,but timeline wise is probably doesn't make sense

If it's a sequel then possible god home ending explanation?

[viscid ridge]

"Several freaky people are typing" 😭💀

[sudden swallow]

Plus chance for us to meet an actual Coincessness hollow knight

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong doesn't take place in Hallownest

[sudden swallow]

I mean... Flashback scene

[viscid ridge]

For me it makes less sense if its a sequal, a prequal avoids stepping on Hollow Knights

[sinful nimbus]

Well that can happen in a sequel too

[rancid river]

True!! The mystery behind it only makes me more curious... What are you hiding Team Cherry... Is it the romance options 🤔 /j

[sudden swallow]

Either way I want an explanation for god home ending

[sudden swallow]

That shit was too cryptic

[thick canyon]

I think all the endings could work for silksong

[sudden swallow]

Minus sealed siblings no? Bc well

[exotic trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/kiashyy-made-by-kiashyy-god-gif-gif-7951681892491421709

[thick canyon]

Also it makes no sense for hornet to go thro silksong and then just go to greenpath, and get beat by the knoght

[rancid river]

Where joker psa

I don't know the command 😩

[viscid ridge]

As a long time Hollow knight fan, that ending looks cool, but its absolute trash.

To me it feels more like an Alternate Reality, and doesn't reflect what would realistically happen.

[sudden swallow]

Same!!!

[viscid ridge]

Sealed Siblings

[tawdry flare]

?tag info jokerpsa

[gleaming basin]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[exotic trellis]

Has been addressed

[rancid river]

Team Cherry has also said in the past that all endings are equally canon. Afaik there hasn't been any backpedaling on this

[viscid ridge]

Yall can say it over and over again, but that ending seals the deal for me that Silksong is gonna be a prequal

[sudden swallow]

Okay let's say hypothetical,they announce a game after silksong for another Characters,who would YOU want the mc to be

Lowkey corniefer and his wife as an odyssey game would be kinda good,and his wife is an option second player

[viscid ridge]

But lets wait and see what the game says before you take my opinion as fact

[thick canyon]

this makes no sense, please explain

[sudden swallow]

I'm not a big fan of prequels personally
But I would enjoy some possible backstory

[viscid ridge]

Cause Hornet definitely dies in that ending

[exotic trellis]

This likely isn't a narrative that's gonna build off of what happened in Hallownest, so I doubt they need to be concerned with the circumstances of the endings

[thick canyon]

.

[tawdry flare]

Source?

[thick canyon]

yeah it might happen like tousands of years later

as far as we know at least

[rancid river]

It's very likely we're going to get some backstory on Hornet anyway :D! Iirc Team Cherry has said that Silksong does explore Hornet's past, as well as the Weavers and possibly Herrah/the fallen king of Deepnest?

[sudden swallow]

If we were to have a sequel tho,what would you want them to explain from hollow knight

[thick canyon]

yeah the prequel theory has too meny holes in it

[spark valve]

hollow knight's story is pretty complete they don't really need to explain anything

[thick canyon]

im fine with them not explaining eny ending

[exotic trellis]

Yeah they haven't specified a timeline of any kind and have given a reason why the one ending that would be potentially tricky...isn't

I mentioned this yesterday on here but I think of it like Mad Max. Same setting, different areas, different stories. They don't rely on what came before but they build on a mythos

[sudden swallow]

Tbh I just need to know what was Lurelin doing besides gossip

[spark valve]

that is an apt comparison

[viscid ridge]

"I won't be joining you in this. That space is built to sustain your likes. Its bindings would drain me were I to join.
Don't be surprised. I'll not risk my own life in your attempt, though if the moment presents I'll aid as I'm able."

[thick canyon]

oh thats not that bad of a theory accualy, helps to understand the mr. mushroom guy

[rancid river]

Very well said. It's been said before that TC wants Silksong to be "accessible", in the way that they don't want it to be reliant on Hollow Knight's story. It's meant to be able to stand on its own legs !!

[thick canyon]

but the worst thing i think whold be if it was a multiverse

i hate multiverses...

[spark valve]

that would be a very strange way for them to take things

[real crater]

A multiverse is def not on the table or the floor even

[rancid river]

Into the Silkiverse

[exotic trellis]

Honestly just looking at some of the things that inspired Hollow Knight could be a tell. Zelda has built out a mythology without building on the narrative of each individual game (mostly). The movie that inspired the look of the game, Angel's Egg, just plain didn't bother to explain anything. It was content to tell the story it was telling and let the audience think about the nature of its world and meaning.

[real crater]

I would love some crossover skins for hornet tho

[sudden swallow]

They give you the option to chose which ending is canon,so like you choose God home and the hollow knight can appear randomly in farloom to help hornet
Or you pick sealed siblings and the game shuts off

[viscid ridge]

We'll see in game when exactly silksong takes place, but im hopefull it will take place before hollow knight. I just think it would work best, but im open to being wrong if they do a sequal with the dream no more ending.

[sudden swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-dog-grin-happy-dog-smile-gif-12435865

[viscid ridge]

Which i dont think they will, so i hope its a prequel

[real crater]

Why would the game turns off if sealed siblings is canon all endings are canon

[sudden swallow]

Bc you wouldn't be able to play as hornet
Or you'd play as the egg head white girl

[viscid ridge]

Cause hornet is dead in that ending lmao

[real crater]

She is not dead

[sudden swallow]

I always forget her name

[spark valve]

you'd be able to play as hornet just fine

[exotic trellis]

Because he's of the opinion that Hornet wouldn't survive Sealed Siblings

[real crater]

That's the wrong opinion

[sudden swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-mold-gif-17844868680918177893

[viscid ridge]

"I won't be joining you in this. That space is built to sustain your likes. Its bindings would drain me were I to join.
Don't be surprised. I'll not risk my own life in your attempt, though if the moment presents I'll aid as I'm able."

[exotic trellis]

Someone tag Dyno again lol

[rancid river]

?tag info jokerpsa

[gleaming basin]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[real crater]

Doesn't mean hornet will die that means it's dangerous for hornet

[exotic trellis]

appreciate you

[spark valve]

hornet's black egg line gotta be one of the most misread dialogues in the game

[viscid ridge]

And even if you say that she cant die as a result of being a dreamer, she is still trapped in the black egg

[sudden swallow]

Okay I'm not a big fan of the jokerpsa

I don't think it's true
Or to me it doesn't seem likely

[real crater]

Pls read the psa

[spark valve]

doesn't have to be likely just possible

[thick canyon]

What if the pharloom guys break her out

[real crater]

It's info from the devs

[exotic trellis]

The "you" here being...the people who made the game...lol

[viscid ridge]

I did, i just don't think its correct

[real crater]

This

[sudden swallow]

Me too

[thick canyon]

Why?

[rancid river]

Team Cherry is not correct about their own lore... Lol

[thick canyon]

Theres so meny arguments to be made against that

[exotic trellis]

"The people who created the thing and wrote the story are wrong" is certainly a take

[real crater]

Tc said hk has no lore sooooo

[sudden swallow]

I jus think it's a cop out,like when did they say all endings are canon,maybe they've changed there opnion

[exotic trellis]

Frequently

[thick canyon]

WE WILL ALL SEE IN 2 DAYS, there is no point in disscusing this

[rancid river]

If they have, they haven't said anything about it

[spark valve]

there's also the matter of consistency with their approach to accessibility to new players and shit

[viscid ridge]

The main reason i say that, that if there are ways to break the seal without killing the dreamers, than whats the point of the game? Why would the pale king create a seal that would be easily broken? Why dont we jyst find a bug that can break them, instead of going around and killing the dreamers? We'll see when the game comes out, but im standing on the ground that its not possible

[spark valve]

there's no reason to expect ending callouts in the first place

[sinful nimbus]

Those bugs are not in Hallownest

[real crater]

Because we didn't have them as the knight

[exotic trellis]

Hubris on PK's part, plus there's every chance he simply didn't know about whoever is controlling the seal bugs/Lace

[viscid ridge]

Yall can have yall opinion, i have mine, hopefully it'll be cleared up in Skong

[gentle aspen]

Doesn’t exist in Hallownest? Why assume the seals were weak?

This is like asking why Zelda didn’t just go Light Dragon against calamity ganon

[spark valve]

you're wasting your time on somebody clearly not engaging in good faith

[gentle aspen]

It literally wasn’t a possibility before

[viscid ridge]

Yeah yeah

[gentle aspen]

actually for a hollow knight example instead

This is like asking why PK didn’t just give PV void heart

[real crater]

The pale king was throwing we need to get pk banned from competitive

[tawdry flare]

I have constructed the "Hollow Knight: Voidheart & Silksong Timeline" for easy understanding
wait i forgot the no grimm troupe interaction ending

[thick canyon]

Im a pale King is an idiot beliver

[rancid river]

In more ways than one HEYO (rimshot) (dead kid joke) (this is a joke in very good taste)

[spark valve]

you also forgot mister mushroom

mister mushroom ending should be the thing all green arrows go to, then an arrow from that to silksong

[thick canyon]

I think he was just following people that accualy new stuff

[real crater]

Nobody has a problem with mr shroom

[gentle aspen]

Like whom?

[thick canyon]

The weavers

Or mabye like snailshamans

Or the stealsoul people

[gentle aspen]

That’s simply unsupported

That’s simply unsupported

ok discord fuck you

[thick canyon]

Yeah but its funny

[viscid ridge]

Yo in a few hours we can say Silksong tomorrow and it will be accurate

[thick canyon]

For me its 2h

[viscid ridge]

Same

[sinful nimbus]

Remove ETV since its fanmade and not canon

[gentle aspen]

I need to get on this new trend

Sigh

[sinful nimbus]

Hating on ETV just because its a trend makes you a POSER

[tawdry flare]

updated timelines

[spark valve]

mister mushroom is universal per tc's comment

[viscid ridge]

The Silksong food web 😭

[real crater]

It's good enough

[spark valve]

mr mushroom leaving isn't dependent on the knight finding him, just watching him leave

[midnight zinc]

ETV hate is forced and lame

[gentle aspen]

I meant the pfp thing

[olive axle]

In Wilds beyond they Silk your Posts with Silk and Song.
For none could doubt our anticipated game yet you the challenge met.
Under patient watch you Silked, We songed, Skong instincts were redeemed.
A world you gave to doubters and deniers as they had never dreamed.
-"Elegy for Skong" by The Void

[viscid ridge]

Whats ETV?

[midnight zinc]

Embrace the Void

[sinful nimbus]

Fanmade ending

[midnight zinc]

Godmaster ending no. 1

[viscid ridge]

Oh the godhome endings

[sinful nimbus]

Its clear whoever made it had no understanding of HK's themes or basic story

[midnight zinc]

Bait used to be funny

[sinful nimbus]

That wasn't bait

[midnight zinc]

It only contradicts the story or themes if you think there’s nothing else to learn about the world or nuance to the metaphysics outside the base game

[sinful nimbus]

Word salad

[spark valve]

that is completely incorrect

and utterly nonsense because etv doesn't actually expand anything

[midnight zinc]

You read the word metaphysics and your eyes glazed over lmao

[sinful nimbus]

What do the themes have to do with the "nuance of the metaphysics" 😭 🙏

[spark valve]

it's just yap none of the words are used in a way consistent with any sort of meaning

[midnight zinc]

Wdym “expand”?

[sinful nimbus]

Mogged

[spark valve]

wow you actually were just saying nothing lol

[real crater]

Star has a monopoly on metaphysics we must break the monopoly

[gentle aspen]

what does this mean

[spark valve]

it means nothing

[thick canyon]

I have not seen a single positive disscusion in this chat today

[exotic trellis]

ETV is a very weird "and suddenly Cthulhu" ending

[viscid ridge]

My personal theory, is Skong will be before HK, it will have it's own endings (maybe 3 again), but none of those endings restricts Hornet from going back to Hallownest for the events of HK.

[sinful nimbus]

Chat would be positive if we talked about King Gizzard but alas

[midnight zinc]

Well now im just curious as to what people here think metaphysics means

[gentle aspen]

[midnight zinc]

Do they have a new album or smth? I can never keep track

[viscid ridge]

Seven nuclear missiles 🤣

[rancid river]

Doesn't KGatLW have lore

[gentle aspen]

Why not just answer the question

[spark valve]

worse, it's an ending where basically nothing is actually different it just jingles keys and also undercuts the most important thematic confrontation in the game

[sinful nimbus]

Last album was in june

[midnight zinc]

Say less

[gentle aspen]

more

[sinful nimbus]

Metaphysics in HK probably refers to the dream realm

[exotic trellis]

Yeah the hostility gets a little weird in this server

[spark valve]

they can't answer the question because it was word salad and completely meaningless in the context of the conversation

[rancid river]

AHEM uhh what do you guys think about lifeblood in Silksong..... We've seen the syringe obviously but like... What's up with it right. What's the deal with Lifeblood in Silksong

[real crater]

I hope we get something like dream bosses in silksong basically harder version of regular bosses

[spark valve]

I mean there's nothing that odd about its presence

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah and imo silksong could benefit from ripping it off #sk-discussion message

[thick canyon]

Yeah its very cool and i'm exited

[blissful harbor]

dream bosses
woven bosses

[exotic trellis]

Just a strange substance that pops up all over the game's world, I imagine

[sinful nimbus]

Just call them arch tempered

[viscid ridge]

I wonder if the dream realm is going to be explored in Silksong? The dream realm seams to exist wherever there are bugs to dream. Hornet doesn't have the power to dream delve, but maybe we'll meet a character who can?

[rancid river]

Disagree.. lifeblood was sorta odd already in Hollow Knight and its inclusion in Silksong makes it seem very,,, widespread? Maybe I'm lookin too much into it but it excites me

[thick canyon]

Cool to have it explained a bit more then just that its taboo

[real crater]

Hornet doesn't have dream nail so prob not

[spark valve]

it comes from the dream expanse I'm not sure why it would be limited to any given region

[sinful nimbus]

The voice

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, but she does have semi cognition of being in a dream which i think is cool

[blissful harbor]

i think it’ll be mentioned, but it’ll be much more in the background
like you said maybe a few characters who are knowledgeable of it

[thick canyon]

I really like the life blood being to apear in silksong

[sinful nimbus]

My theory is that the voice is a guy who can enter and travel between dreams like Seer

[viscid ridge]

Yeah same opinion, maybe bugs will talk about it, but we wont explore it like in HK

[sinful nimbus]

Which goes harder than some stupid higher being being the voice

[spark valve]

doubt seer is capable of doing what the voice is with seth

[sinful nimbus]

The voice is like his muse

[thick canyon]

Wierd not meny people talk about life blood being smth much bigger then it seems to be

[gentle aspen]

It isn’t that strange

[viscid ridge]

I know we have no evidence for what The Voice is, but i hope to god its another higher being

[gentle aspen]

Seems to just be a fundamental force

[rancid river]

It's just a bit of an odd substance and it's never really questioned much in-game, aside from being mentioned to have been taboo in the past, and that's probably just because the PK didn't want worship of any Higher Being other than himself. It just feels odd to me. Maybe there's some meta discussion I'm missing out on?

[midnight zinc]

Pt. 1: The first part about ETV contradicting the story, or rather the person who made it allegedly not “understanding” the story is pretty obviously nonsense. The only in-world established lore that’s apparently contradicted is the mechanism of how the Radiance is killed in Godhome, but I think this is pretty easily explained via attunement. The Radiance is clearly more present in Godhome than the other bosses, as she’s the initial target of their focus. Obviously the mechanics of their focus are never explained but that’s hardly unusual, the detailed ins and outs of how most magic in HK works is never explained. But since she’s already breaking out of THK at the start of the game, the Godseekers are able to bring her into Godhome to be killed. (This explanation is me assuming killing the radiance in Godhome is what people mean when they say it contradicts the story, not sure what else they do that’s allegedly impossible).

[gentle aspen]

PK didn’t care about other hbs being worshiped

[thick canyon]

Alright i have to good this is frying my brain

[midnight zinc]

This is not what metaphysics means lol

[gentle aspen]

nor is it stated that is taboo because PK said so

[sinful nimbus]

What ETV fails to do in the given story is give a natural justification for needing Void Heart to fight Rad

[gentle aspen]

If that were the case then it wouldn’t be “a bit of a taboo”

[sinful nimbus]

What it does in ETV is put a random gate that breaks when you get Void Heart that has no explanation and is never acknowledged

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, it just seems like most bugs are scared of it cause it does weird stuff with your body, it seems its taboo status was unrelated to the Pale King

[spark valve]

that's not even the biggest issue the biggest issue is bypassing the thing that represents laying the kingdom to rest

[real crater]

The moths just stopped vibing with the radiance

[gentle aspen]

that’s not people’s issues with etv’s story nor do I think rad leaking out of thk is relevant in this case

[midnight zinc]

This is true, no argument from me. That’s an arbitrary gameplay mechanic.

[sinful nimbus]

Yes that's the issue taken with the "Themes" but I also brought up it not satisfying the basic story either

[rancid river]

Alright I apologize I just wanted to move the conversation away from the hostility it was getting to
I'm probably gonna dip until chat chills a bit

[viscid ridge]

Ok yall have a good night, im gonna try and sleep but my excitement might keep me awake 🥳

2 more days yall

[sinful nimbus]

What does it mean

[gentle aspen]

there’s nothing to apologize for

[spark valve]

at the end of the day it's just a media literacy moment

[real crater]

Also doesn't really matter we discuss lore cause it's fun to talk about bugs it's not that deep

[midnight zinc]

It’s a philosophical concept, or rather a whole branch of of philosophy that includes several concepts, like ontology and cosmology. I’m not sure where this idea that metaphysics refers to magic comes from, other than maybe mossbag’s first video where he calls soul and essence metaphysical concepts, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re not getting any of your ideas from an eight year old mossbag video.

[spark valve]

I mean no the thematic incoherence is why etv is dogshit, it just fundamentally fails to adequately execute the ideas set up throughout the game both through the narrative and the worldbuilding surrounding it

[midnight zinc]

Idk, Hallownest goes pretty deep underground

[real crater]

Not that deep bugs are small it could be less than a meter in the ground lol

[exotic trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-bored-tired-not-in-the-mood-monkey-gif-16493448

[sinful nimbus]

I always thought of it as dealing with the nature of the world beyond the physical, usually involving stuff like the mind. The Dream Realm would be the most analogous to this concept

Also I get all my lore from mossbag 🔥 Any prequelists in chat 💯

[spark valve]

don't need to pile bad takes on top of bad takes

[real crater]

Yeah Metaphysical does refer to stuff that exist beyond the physical or material is dream realm would be a metaphysical realm some realm like a land with only emotion would also be metaphysical

[midnight zinc]

It’s not really a matter of “beyond the physical”, more just with the nature of things, again like the nature of being, aka ontology

Holy fucking shit my internet just tanked

Okay we’re back

[spark valve]

goofy backpedal

[sinful nimbus]

OK but how does ETV expand this

[spark valve]

(it doesn't)

[real crater]

Ok guys what do we think about the weavers in silksong

[midnight zinc]

Again not exactly, metaphysics involves both the real existence and the theoretical.

[spark valve]

they seem helpful at least

[exotic trellis]

I think they-and you might need to sit down for this- weave

[inner prawn]

Pretty cute, I'd like to go out with one

[real crater]

I think the weavers might betray hornet to try to continue existing as a species

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think its cool how they teach Hornet she can only use one spell at a time

[inner prawn]

I doubt Hornet is killing them

[real crater]

Yeah I don't think hornets gonna kill the weavers

[inner prawn]

They'd probably rather have Pharloom destroyed than be used for their silk until they die

[spark valve]

I don't think surrendering information about her existence presumably under duress is that substantial a betrayal but sure

[tawdry flare]

Why can she use silk spear, parry and gossamer storm in her fight without a crest? Checkmate, sequel believers!

[real crater]

No I mean they might just full on try to Ceaser her

[spark valve]

that wouldn't really make a ton of sense just from a progression perspective

what would you just get locked out of any silk skills you hadn't backtracked for yet

[sinful nimbus]

The puppetmaster tortured a poor insane weaver until he cried out "HORNET! DEEPNEST" 😔

[real crater]

Could be fun tho never said it was a stupid theory

[thick canyon]

Do you guys think silksong will have the godseakers in some way?

[spark valve]

no

she's pretty indisposed

[real crater]

Godseekrs have no reason to go to pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

yes i love godhome 🤩

[real crater]

Godhome my beloved

[thick canyon]

It be cool to see like a big inprisoned godseaker in a guarded prisoncell

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong has a Godseeker but its just to mess with fans since you have no dream nail

[real crater]

The godseeker in hallownest is the last one

[spark valve]

wouldn't make very much sense

[real crater]

Also we don't want a somehow palpatine returned

[spark valve]

you would be surprised how many people seem to in fact want that

[gentle aspen]

We see all the godseekers in HK

And they’re either locked up or cheesing in the dream realm

[real crater]

I know then complain that sequels are bad those execs were correct people have no idea how to make good media

[exotic trellis]

God don't remind me

trash fire of a movie

[real crater]

If I had to suffer it everyone else has to aswell

[thick canyon]

Alright let me say that question diffirently, will silksong have a Bossrush thingy?

[spark valve]

[real crater]

Maybe I will love it if it had one

[thick canyon]

Unironicly the thing i'm most exited for is godtamer lore

[spark valve]

why would that be a thing

she's not an ant

[thick canyon]

You can always hope

[real crater]

Cope*

[thick canyon]

Also the "Bell beast " looks very similar to the beast fron godtamer. Mabye same species

[spark valve]

if you actually pull them up side by side they don't really resemble each other

[halcyon ingot]

or maybe a dead godseeker that lead us to a ruined godhome bc of the void

[thick canyon]

Oh super cool

[spark valve]

it's not really close they're nothing alike

[real crater]

All they have in common is just some scales

[thick canyon]

Same species?

Idk i just really like things that roll into balls and attack you

[spark valve]

they don't have anything in common

[gentle aspen]

if they were the same species there wouldn’t be such huge differences in leg count size eye count body etc

[thick canyon]

Head is similar (same horns), Shell is similar. Only legs and eyes and color are diffirent

[spark valve]

head really isn't similar, wrong eyes, color, shape, etc. Shell is wrong shape, color, number of segments

nothing matches up at all

[gentle aspen]

You can clearly see a difference in the horns

[spark valve]

there's also the god tamer's beast's weird mouth thing which is by far the most distinctive part of that design, if they were meant to be the same species bell beast would have it too

[amber jetty]

Is silksong going to be connected to the abyss?

[green charm]

Chat, tell me honestly
Do you actually think that Zote comes from Pharloom
I’m skeptical but it’s stated that his nail is made of shellwood, as far as I’m aware shellwood is never mentioned anywhere else in game, yet Silksong has an entire area called shellwood

[exotic trellis]

Probably not

[spark valve]

no, shellwood could just be a generic term for wood in setting

[green charm]

No substantial evidence

[green charm]

Oh yea but like, where else wood you get shellwood

[tawdry flare]

GREY Prince Zote of GREYmoor

[green charm]

Ehhhhhhhh I see it
I don’t believe it but still

[bleak citrus]

He could’ve just gotten his sword from pharloom I guess lol

[green charm]

That’s a crack theory if I’ve ever heard one

[spark valve]

any place that has big plants of similar makeup

[green charm]

He carved it himself

[real crater]

He could have also just found the sword somewhere

[terse wadi]

Shellwood might just be an easter egg for people who actually listened to zotes ramblings

[spark valve]

there's a bunch more wood in hollow knight than just the nail

[real crater]

Yes zote could never lie

[tawdry flare]

There will absolutely be void in Silksong at the least, given the end of the release trailer

[green charm]

Like what
I thought the armaments were made of metal

[spark valve]

and all the one way breakable walls with support beams

[green charm]

That seems like a jump of logic

[tawdry flare]

how it shows void particles and plays abyss ambience

[green charm]

Oh yea, fair point

[real crater]

It might be a reference

[steep saddle]

Depends if the silver guys are made of void

[tawdry flare]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT MIGHT BE A REFERENCE???

[green charm]

But, like, why would all wood be called shellwood
Shellwood is a portmanteau of shell and wood, as in, wood that is analogous to a shell or wood that is used in shells (the shield-adjacent things)

[steep saddle]

Sharpe does have an attack that looks like a void tendril so

[exotic trellis]

Because bugs

[green charm]

I forgot about the steel souls

[amber jetty]

Do y'all think Hornet is going to meet a stag/ anyone from the main game here?

[tawdry flare]

Absolutely not

[exotic trellis]

Doubtful

[real crater]

Probably mr shroom

[steep saddle]

Nah unlikely zote might show up as a recurring character type thing but otherwise no

[midnight zinc]

Okay writing this on my phone is taking too long and I have to be somewhere at 5 so I saved it to my notes app, I’m like two thirds done, I can finish it and turn it into a mini doc if people actually care, but it looks like the conversation has pretty much drifted away from this, idk lmk

[green charm]

That doesn’t really explain the "-wood" thing

[steep saddle]

Or mushroom man yeah

[green charm]

Maybe Im thinking about it too hard

[real crater]

Mr shroom is mr mushroom

[tawdry flare]

he dies in some routes so he cant

[exotic trellis]

If there's any character who might make an appearance from the first game, it's Mr. Mushroom, but that's it

[green charm]

Oh yea definitely

[spark valve]

to hollow knight-ify it

[steep saddle]

Erm so team cherry could just pick a canon route/ending if they felt like it

[thick canyon]

Izelda?

[exotic trellis]

Rule one of fantasy place- and material-naming: make up cool sounding shit

[green charm]

Fair enough

[amber jetty]

Do we have anything to tell us that it's a sequel or prequel yet?
or are we lacking

[green charm]

I’unno
I still think the theory holds water

[midnight zinc]

@sinful nimbus

[sinful nimbus]

what if shellwood is the bark

[steep saddle]

Steam page says sequel

[spark valve]

there's a bunch pointing to sequel

[sinful nimbus]

alright

[green charm]

It’s a sequel
Literally, TC has said it themselves like 15 times

[green charm]

Ooooooooh yea that could make sense

[sinful nimbus]

I'd like to read it because I ❤️ hating etv

[amber jetty]

Ah i'm stupid then fire

[green charm]

The only people I’ve seen who genuinely believe that Silksong is a prequel are the people who say Zote will be in Silksong

[exotic trellis]

and mossbag

[green charm]

Didn’t we sacrifice that guy

[spark valve]

they're out there but mostly not even worth paying attention to atp

[amber jetty]

Will there be any void creatures or connections to Hallownest,
Or do y'all think that pharloom doesn't know about hallownest

[exotic trellis]

yes but now he's undead and won't stop uploading

[spark valve]

pharloom knows about hallownest because the weavers have lived in both places

[green charm]

The Steel Souls are a faction who live in the coral area and they’re heavily speculated to be made of void

[spark valve]

there's not really any reason to think they are

[amber jetty]

AHHH!

[real crater]

Silksong will be a prequel because prequels are better than sequel

[green charm]

True, but they’re worth a mention I think

[spark valve]

they also don't live there

[exotic trellis]

well I mean in the case of one particular series, yeah...

[tawdry flare]

we've seen one of them in action and it was in the coral area that doesnt mean they live there

[green charm]

Don’t we see some very steel soul-looking enemies in one of the trailers in said coral area

[amber jetty]

Sharpe?

[green charm]

I didn’t mean that they have their home base there

[tawdry flare]

no it was one of his associates

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but they're foreign to the kingdom and are just hunting Hornet

[spark valve]

they are there yes but we know they are in the kingdom because they were assigned to hunt down hornet, where we see them is completely unrelated to where they typically are they're just there to get hornet

[green charm]

Really?

[amber jetty]

So there's another kingdom influenced by the ancient void kingdom?

[sinful nimbus]

"Sharpe is a hunter from a distant land. He’s tasked with eliminating Hornet and he’s not come alone.

[green charm]

Wait why are they hunting Hornet again

[spark valve]

unknown

[green charm]

Oooooooooooooh

[sinful nimbus]

I didnt say anything about the ancient civilization who are unaffiliated with Sharpe and Co as far as we know

[real crater]

My theory is pk owed them money for some reason

[green charm]

Do you think Jinn tipped them off

[exotic trellis]

she owes them Geo

[spark valve]

I don't know how jinn would know hornet is in pharloom

[green charm]

For what reason

[amber jetty]

there's more remaining kingdoms
sharpe kinda confirms that
I think?

[real crater]

Some

[green charm]

Jinn’s in Hallownest, right? Maybe they saw her get taken

[eternal gazelle]

yeah, any information about hornet being fed to her enemies is likely to have come from the weavers

[green charm]

Thats speculation on my part

[eternal gazelle]

be it through torture or cooperation

[spark valve]

which wouldn't really tell her much about where to find her during the events of the game

[olive stag]

not really, the steel assassins look more like an independent crew

[sinful nimbus]

Sees the caste hauling Hornet in Dirtmouth
Uses the voids twisted spaces to deliver a message to their masters:
"Uh, guys, you might want to take a look at this"

[amber jetty]

but can they survive in a place with no kingdom and civiliazation without higher beings?

[real crater]

Best theory i heard all day ngl

[olive stag]

i could also imagine the steel assassins have some good surveillance

[green charm]

Unless they recognized the cage and soldiers as Pharloom-ian

[spark valve]

in which case they would have informants in pharloom who would be more likely to have relayed the information than jinn, who doesn't really leave that one room

[olive stag]

it's proven bugs don't need higher beings + they could just be wanderers, no way to tell (since Jinn is in hallownest after all)

[green charm]

It’s not like she can’t leave that one room but yea I see what you’re getting at

[eternal gazelle]

Not to mention Jinn abandoning her previous purpose

[amber jetty]

So we don't have any other proven kingdoms except Hallownest and Pharloom

[green charm]

Oooooh right forgot about that bit

[exotic trellis]

If they ever inject MCU humor into these games I will personally beat Kevin Feige to death with a sock full of quarters

[olive stag]

yeah. but i think it's fair to assume there could be more

[olive stag]

why's it assumed that the steel soul guys are void?

[sinful nimbus]

No reason

[green charm]

It’s not really an assumption persay, if Zote and Elder Hu aren’t from Pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

Its just funny

[green charm]

Sharpe’s nose resembles a void tendril
That’s it
That’s the reason

[green charm]

Elder Hu is probably from Pharloom because his garb is similar to Shakra’s (I don’t know how to spell her name)

[olive stag]

true. there's also tiso and cloth, and they don't really look like pharloom people

[green charm]

Mmmmmmmmmm I suppose they could be from Greymoor or Shellwood

Cloth’s cowl kind of resembles the cultists’ but that’s stretching it

[sinful nimbus]

cloths WHAT

[real crater]

The cloak thingy

[olive stag]

the stuff she has over her head

[amber jetty]

I kinda want another wyrm,
but this one's not the pale king,
this one's like a fighter kind, and rules the kingdom they make with brute militant force

[green charm]

Like this
Her’s goes over her face too

[green charm]

I do NOT want another Wyrm

[amber jetty]

ITD BE SO COOL THO 💔

[green charm]

Yea, Cloth could be from Greymoor

[olive stag]

wyrms are cool and all but they don't need to exist

[inner prawn]

I wanna see the lifeblood beast again

[amber jetty]

they make kingdoms tho 💔

[green charm]

It would not, in fact it would fly in the face of PK being the last

[olive stag]

bugs make kingdoms too

[amber jetty]

what if they were wrong about PK being one of the last

[green charm]

Mantises

[green charm]

That’s a pretty big "what if"

[olive stag]

to be fair a Wyrm corpse would be very cool. just so we'd have a little more info about wyrm anatomy

[green charm]

Actually yea that would be cool, I just don’t want the Wyrm to be the big mover and shaker boss

Also would explain why there are so many kinds of intelligent bugs

[olive stag]

the whole "wyrm makes people smart" thing still puzzles me because... what about the mantises? deepnest? unn's people?

i suppose the "smart" in question here would be something more akin to humans, like the capacity to create tech and stuff like that

[green charm]

I think they mean "Wyrm makes bugs who weren’t already smart, smart"

[olive stag]

yeah, makes sense

[green charm]

The Mantises, Mosskin, Moths, Shrumals, Shamans, Deepnestians, hell even the Bees were there before PK got there

(And the ancient civilization if you count that)

Then again the Mosskin and Shrumals aren’t exactly bugs so eh

[green charm]

I don’t know where I was going with this, there are like 7 factions that were intelligent before the PK got there

[rancid river]

I also wouldn't exactly describe the bees as intelligent. They're not feral per-se (at least not before they took on the infection) and characters like Vespa and perhaps Hive Knight seem to be operating on at least a different level than the others, but the bees are implied to already have had a sort of... Animalistic (poor word choice, but I can't think of anything more apt) hivemind B4 the infection

It's maybe just a different kind of intelligence, but it's definitely not the kind of thinking the PK gives

[green charm]

The hive is structurally complex and they clearly have some sort of culture so ehhhhh
Maybe not all the bees are intelligent, but some certainly are

[olive stag]

yeah, that's what i was talking about. even the mantises weren't exactly very smart, their entire societal structure was based on "who kicks the most ass". and i think deepnest doesn't require much more explanation

it feels like bugs without a wyrm (or higher being, in general?) are more instinctive, despite still developing some kind of society

[sinful nimbus]

Mantes have like levers and gates and stuff

[green charm]

Yea they invented those, presumably

[sinful nimbus]

Just because they are xenophobic doesn't mean they are barbarians

[rancid river]

And cute little hammocks for their babies

[green charm]

True

[olive stag]

yeah that's true

but i wonder if there's any higher being (as important as the pale wyrm) in pharloom. the strings coming off the bugs could be interpreted as something along those lines, i guess

[green charm]

It’s anyone’s guess, I suppose

[rancid river]

It's likely. Given the lore established in Hollow Knight, I'm holding out hope we'll get to know some of the creatures responsible for Pharloom's creation. Team Cherry has said they don't want to tie Silksong's story too closely to HK, but I assume they're going to keep broad-spectrum lore strokes, like Higher Beings

[eternal gazelle]

I mean there's always the possibility that a kingdom could be built by a group of mundane bugs but given the amount of magical bullshit we've seen already, it's likely there are higher beings afoot

[spark valve]

I mean Pharloom’s folly there’s obviously some shenanigans

[olive stag]

i also feel the poem indicates something about a higher being getting leeched

[edgy nebula]

it resembles it but it likely isnt

that message was from an hour ago i need to learn to read

[green charm]

Wait what’s in the poem again

[olive stag]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Pharloom#Pharloom's_Folly

[green charm]

Grazie

Oh that’s likely referring to the Weavers

"A beast’s nature bear to all"

[olive stag]

seems like it, but it's singular

which makes me think ... is there a weaver lord? or something like that

[green charm]

Plus the silk imagery at the end of each line
"Frail and fine"
"Woven of faith and toil"
"Bound in slumber and servitude"

[green charm]

Heck if I know

I just work here

[eternal gazelle]

Beast was used pretty broadly in hallownest so who's to say what it means in pharloom

everything that lived in deepnest was considered a beast, not just spiders

[terse wadi]

Sounds like the Romans calling the Non-Romans Barbarians

[real crater]

No the Romans called anyone outside of the city non Romans but they were not considered barbarians

[edgy stone]

It doesnt seem like the bell beasts are domesticated fully like the stags, its interesting that pharloom doesnt have a fully developed transit system of some sort

At least that's what I see, I dont know if bell beasts were the transit but it seems like a way more difficult way than the stags

[terse wadi]

It'sa reference

[eternal gazelle]

I don't know if it's been stated that there's more than one, it might just be a hornet thing

[spark valve]

Looks like there’s infrastructure for it in bellhart

[edgy stone]

Yeah thats what I think as well but as tammo said it has infrastructure

But the one we see at least has no riding gear or anything like an actual carry system would have

[winged hollow]

Wonder how the higher beings, if they hopefully exist, will be shown off in SS. Perhaps it will be blatant, very unlike HK.

[exotic trellis]

I feel like they might remain mostly mysterious

[severe wigeon]

Arent higher beings just refering to the player

[vestal swan]

Hopefully there's like none around

No

[blissful harbor]

no they are the in universe gods

[vestal swan]

Higher being is the not used in universe but proper term for the deities

Like white lady pale King radiance

Etc

Well it is used in universe but it doesn't mean the same thing

[severe wigeon]

But its used in the tutorial thats weird

[vestal swan]

The tutorial signs are propaganda for the common bug as a tourist trap

[severe wigeon]

Who out here teaching gods how to heal

[vestal swan]

Besides the focus one that's just gameplay

[timid hollow]

@rough heron and me sat together for around 5 hours and crafted this giga-theory video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf4WXP-HPCU

(I hope it's fine to post it here. Wishing you all a great last 48 hours before release! :)

[vestal swan]

Bro it's like 30 hours away you couldn't just wait to see the map

[midnight reef]

Im guessing that Choral whatever is above Craw Lake, but beyond that idk

ugh

Reminded me of something really damn stupid in Mossbags recent video

gimme a second to find it, its in the release trailer somewhere

this tool

Is, if I had to guess, a posion dart
Not a syringe like we see used elsewhere in the reveal trailer

[vestal swan]

Bubble gum skewer

[rancid river]

It's a kebab for healing 🩷 /j

[midnight reef]

THIS is how SS does the syringes

also happens to be the posion one, just the one that I saw first in the release trailer

[vestal swan]

That's a what do you call that shit, sounds like perfume but not perfume. That looks like something you wear to not get attacked

Potpourri

[rancid river]

Like a repel from Pokémon?

[vestal swan]

Yeah

[midnight reef]

we see the fire one used in the Gamescon teaser footage

[spark valve]

that's not a syringe

[midnight reef]

its close enough to

hornet stabs herself, and gets this funny fire effect

[spark valve]

she isn't stabbing herself

[midnight reef]

she is

sorry for the video ui shit in the way

[rancid river]

I mean, to be fair, this does look a bit similar to the lifeblood syringe we've seen in the past. I could see why mossbag would think it's similar

[spark valve]

she's not stabbing herself she's applying it to her needle

[rancid river]

I'm assuming that's what's happening .. I didn't watch the video haha

[midnight reef]

shes flashing red

if she applied it to the needle she missed

[spark valve]

no she didn't

[midnight reef]

hm

[spark valve]

she's grinding it along the blade

[midnight reef]

Fair enough, I guess that is what the sprite is showing

[spark valve]

this is an actual syringe tool and it looks way more like the purple thing

[midnight reef]

I guess

[spark valve]

like to the point where it would be terrible design if they didn't have related functions

[midnight reef]

I still dont think that its a syringe, it looks like posion to me

[spark valve]

it could do something like inflict self damage to buff you in some way or something

[midnight reef]

I guess it could make some sense if it is a syringe with like, electricity in it?

[rancid river]

Maybe looks a bit like the lightning in the watery areas we've seen so far?

[midnight reef]

Which is what Mossbag said, but it looks far more like a posioned dart

[spark valve]

it's a pretty big departure from how darts have been depicted in that menu but sure potentially

it would just be bad visual design

[midnight reef]

I dont think we've really seen darts

a harpoon, the pins yeah

[celest stump]

What do yall think this thing is

I was thinking maybe throwing weapons

[eternal gazelle]

it's a bag of shell shards

[edgy nebula]

a satchel to store more of the throwing daggers methinks

[eternal gazelle]

like rosary strings but for shell shards

[rough sandal]

Does anyone know how rosaries look

[eternal gazelle]

scroll up a few messages

[edgy nebula]

makes sense

[sinful nimbus]

Red spheres with some engravings on them

[celest stump]

Yeah that makes sense

[celest stump]

Little red balls with stuff on them

[eternal gazelle]

god I'm so glad I can talk about rosary strings without it devolving into an argument about cocoon recovery

[rough sandal]

Aww I wanted coins

Bills even

[celest stump]

Really low quality image of them

[eternal gazelle]

if you want rosaries to be coins you're gonna have to play blasphemous because that's the only time I've seen that happen

[celest stump]

Wat dat supposed to be lol

[rough sandal]

sad

[celest stump]

Like the shade recovery?

[rough sandal]

Why are they even called rosaries
They better be related to roses

[eternal gazelle]

there was a belief before the 2025 demo that you wouldn't be able to recover your rosaries from the cocoon after dying

[eternal gazelle]

rosaries are a thing in real life

look em up

[celest stump]

Oh is that what you get ur currency back from

[eternal gazelle]

yes, except that didn't happen in the 2020 demo

I argued, correctly, that it was because the demo was missing features

[celest stump]

Interesting

[eternal gazelle]

and not because team cherry decided to ruin their entire progression economy for no reason

[celest stump]

I mean obviously it was missing stuff, why would people argue against that lol

[rough sandal]

Catholic thingy

[eternal gazelle]

yep, prayer beads

of course the fact that they're being used as currency raises some questions about how well respected they are

[celest stump]

What if the real silksong was the shaws we said along the way

[spark valve]

so true

I dunno if rosary strings are going to be that worth it

but it's a fine option for players more nervous about losing cash

[edgy stone]

I must assume the game will have different forms of rosaries acting like 1 v 5 v 10

Wonder how that will work though, just larger or more intricate

[eternal gazelle]

you mean stringing them yourself?

[spark valve]

yeah

[eternal gazelle]

yeah I'll probably avoid it

although maybe it would be the play if you want to play dangerous with the cocoon silk boost

[edgy stone]

I think it matters on how many you lose per stringing

Like if you pay 2 rosaries for every 8 strung or something

[spark valve]

even if it's 10% that's a lot

[eternal gazelle]

size 5 rosaries are silver with a square wave across the center

[viscid ridge]

Yeah weve already seen normal red rosaries, and silver rosaries which i assume will be worth more, but i cant recall having seen the highest form of rosaries

[eternal gazelle]

they were ovuloid in the old demo but now they're spheres

we haven't seen a bigger denomination but if we do I expect it will be 25 like in HK

[olive stag]

wdym?

[eternal gazelle]

the cocoon gives you a full 9 notches of silk when broken so you could try to keep it around for bonus healing at the risk of dying without recovering it and losing your rosaries

[edgy stone]

Team cherry can make a fine game but I dont think they understand economic systems great

[eternal gazelle]

unless you string them all beforehand

[viscid ridge]

They do, the banker stole all our geo, seems pretty realistic to me 🤣

[eternal gazelle]

of course this won't be a factor for normal people who just break the cocoon the instant they enter the boss arena

[viscid ridge]

But in all honesty i think its gonna be better in silksong cause we seem to have a ton more shops than in HK

[edgy stone]

Rosaries make some more sense in silksong I guess, geo was frankly weird in hollow knight

[viscid ridge]

How come?

[eternal gazelle]

rosaries can be manufactured while geo is naturally occuring for some reason

[edgy stone]

There is no backing to geo in hollow knight, you kinda just have to hope that bugs will take it and there js also not really any need for it in hk

[eternal gazelle]

what

[edgy stone]

Okay so like sly

Obsessed with geo but why exactly? Theres not much to gain from having it

[sinful nimbus]

Buying stuff:

[viscid ridge]

Yeah thats fair, but im pretty sure the other bugs of hallownest use them to get food and such that the Knight didn't need to worry about

[edgy stone]

And the fact that geo cannot be nationalized as the basic form of currency due to no government existing to say so anymore. A bug can stroll in and create a new system any time if they please

[eternal gazelle]

Geo has got to be accepted outside hallownest considering cornifer and iselda are asking for it

[edgy stone]

Hoarding geo is worthless because geo can be worthless overnight

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, even lemm gives us geo, meaning geo isnt specific to hallownest, seems like most of the world uses geo, because it seems to be very common

[sinful nimbus]

If all bugs collectively in the area decide not to use it yeah

Which doesn't seem super likely

[eternal gazelle]

And I guess being naturally occurring does give it inherent worth

There's no geo mint

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, geo reminds me a lot of how people in old times traded using sea shells

[edgy stone]

Not every bug exactly, if one with the most supplies and demand decides to switch currency it can easily change unless another competitor is present

[olive stag]

i think it's generally implied geo is a good thing to have, either because it's used for something or because it's universally recognised (the latter being very unlikely imo)

i agree it is very poorly explained ... but like, do we really need any explanation? hk barely has any merchants lol

[edgy stone]

Yeah this is all just for the shit of it

[olive stag]

lol fair

i guess in silksong it would be cool to have a reason though, since we have so many merchants

[eternal gazelle]

I think silksong should start with a big green flying fuck stealing all your geo because the conversion rate to bean bean coins is comically low

I mean rosaries

[olive stag]

a bunch of citadel tax officers take your geo and give like 3 rosaries

[edgy stone]

That raises the question if hornet even has geo

What the fuck would hornet do with it

[olive stag]

does hornet need to eat?

[eternal gazelle]

Idk it's not unthinkable that she would have business interactions with someone like nailmsith

[edgy stone]

Is it ever explained on who the nailsmith is talking about in our first interaction with them?

[olive stag]

could be hornet. would be fun

but it isn't explained ever

[edgy stone]

Possibly though it seems like hornets needle is possibly special made

[vestal swan]

No

He's talking about nails and a lot of them hornet has a special weapon

[edgy stone]

And he does specify nail so its someone else

[vestal swan]

It's probably somebody from the city who supplies the guards

Or somebody who goes through a lot of them like Oro

[edgy stone]

Yrah the nailmasters probably make the most sense. Maybe the gladiators as well?

[olive stag]

oh right yeah hers isn't a nail

[clear osprey]

hornet will turn out to be the Silk Knight. calling it now.

[vestal swan]

I say Oro specifically because Slys initial dialogue talks about him swinging it like a club, which could mean he breaks them a lot

[edgy stone]

Yeah, I could also see sly buying them while training with them

[vestal swan]

Also he might know the brothers since he immediately decides to go to Sheo's hut afterwards

After making a perfect nail anyway

[edgy stone]

Yeah I think its definitely them

I must imagine the city knights just use a stockpile left over from old hallownest

They're too far gone to make any sort of trade either

[vestal swan]

Also the city is on permanent lockdown and having a frequent customer from the city would be kind of weird

[edgy stone]

I think sly makes the most sense

Is the most explorely out of all the nailmasters as he seems to hunt for his treasures

Also the smallest and most agile so he could probably find a way to sneak into the city

Inb4 it was actually lace

She just traveled really really far for a good nail

[eternal gazelle]

"Lace doesn't fight with a nail" I hear you say

kitchen utensil

[edgy stone]

Oh yeah she doesn't

She likes to collect them, boom problem solved

General grevious of silksong

[sage flame]

I really hope there are no “bosses” like the Soul Warrior

[celest stump]

U don’t want mini bosses?

[eternal gazelle]

what's wrong with soul warrior specifically

[edgy stone]

I like the soul warrior as a miniboss

[celest stump]

Oh wait he’s a full on boss isn’t he

[edgy stone]

Its something lacking in most of hollow knight but he does exist in a sorta weird state due to that

[sage flame]

Well how it was counted in the Pantheon’s as being one of the 47 bosses

[celest stump]

I liked his fight tbh but I don’t think he’s deserving of being a boss, feels more like a mini boss

[edgy stone]

Hollow knight really doesnt have mini bosses even though the soul warrior is 100% one

[sage flame]

I don’t want those minibosses taking up the 4X bosses we will get in Silksong

[celest stump]

Understandable

[edgy stone]

Brooding mawlek is also a sorta of miniboss

Since its a repeatable encounter

[celest stump]

Yeah, but isn’t he in godhome?

Or it

[edgy stone]

Yeah buts its more a fault of the game not properly enforcing the idea of minibosses as their own entity and instead are grouped with bosses as a whole

[celest stump]

True, I hope minibosses will be different than full on bosses in silksong tbh

[eternal gazelle]

the distinction is kind of meaningless

like yeah he's in godhome but in the actual game his first encounter gives you nothing but geo

[edgy stone]

Hollow knight as a whole has a pretty weak boss roster

I think the dlcs improve it massively but theres a lot of filler and kinda weak bosses

Pure vessel is genuinely a fantastic boss

[sinful nimbus]

soul warrior is peak

[eternal gazelle]

people love to talk down on HK bosses because they don't know how good they have it

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe not for when you fight him though since you only have VF and the nail most likely

[eternal gazelle]

come back to me when you've played an actually bad game like rogue legacy or circle of the moon

[edgy stone]

I really hope the big frog swallow hornet whole guy is not a boss

[eternal gazelle]

he's in the boss lineup part of the trailer

and he looks awesome

[edgy stone]

Fuck

[eternal gazelle]

honestly I think wind mechanics are awesome when done correctly

[edgy stone]

I mean I like him a lot but idk feel like hed be cooler if he was more than a 1 and done

[sinful nimbus]

thats what a boss is..

Oh I misread

idk wind could be annoying with more than one enemy

[edgy stone]

Seems like he does actually eat hornet which we dont see any sorta grab attack in hollow knight at all

So thats new and interesting

[eternal gazelle]

Lace has also got something that's basically a grab attack

and I'd bet the gay ass clocktower bugs pull the same thing with their giant sparkly AOE

[celest stump]

Isn’t that what a boss is????

OHHH

[edgy stone]

Reading comprehension devil

[celest stump]

also read it wrong 🙏

[edgy stone]

Makes sense to add them now hornet seems to have more ways to escape

[midnight reef]

what exactly is Geo?

[spark valve]

fossilized shells

[midnight reef]

Just fossilized?

[spark valve]

yup

[midnight reef]

This is just some random thoughts, but it'd seems they've (probably) undergone some form of Pyritization

Where metals (pyrite, namely) get integrated into the fossil

which can lead to a more metalic sheen

[eternal gazelle]

that's certainly what their visuals and audio seem to suggest

[runic musk]

I'd be surprised if multi-hit attacks will be prominent in this game. I dont believe any hit in HK were multi-hit in one instance unless you count like... The light attack from Radiance which is 3 instances

[crimson gate]

So I know things attack us in Hollow Knight cause of Radiance, but why do they attack us in Silksong, is it stated yet? something about some weird magic or something? I forget

[eternal gazelle]

all that's been alluded to is a general "haunting" but it's assumed to have something to do with the fact that everything is covered in silk

of course it's more complicated than that, because Lace gives off silk when struck but maintains her faculties

[crimson gate]

ah alright, thanks, can't wait to start watching hour long lore vids

[eternal gazelle]

you'll be waiting a while

[celest stump]

Yup, after all, people still have to figure out the lore first lol

[plush siren]

you can see what look like puppet strings on some bosses and enemies in a lot of the footage

[edgy stone]

Itll be done in the first week

Just give someone a frankly obscene amount of Adderall and lock them in a room till they finish it

[terse wadi]

36 hours remain

[eternal gazelle]

weird that the only enemies we see killed in the release trailer don't have them

[runic musk]

2 weeks flew by huh

[violet charm]

DAWN OF THE FINAL DAY.....

[obsidian quail]

so u guys think there is some higher being related to sound?

maybe there’s a cicada super bug?

all the bugs are like possessed through sound right

[obsidian quail]

midsaw reference 🫩

[pseudo geyser]

It's probably gonna be a song-related higher being, which is holding a higher being related to silk/weavers hostage.

[obsidian quail]

where does the sentiment that weavers are held hostage come from? is there info about it

[pseudo geyser]

No, just a guess really. Though there have been images of weavers wrapped up in silk and sort of laying dormant.

[obsidian quail]

oh where do i find those

[pseudo geyser]

this was in a trailer

[obsidian quail]

i’d be surprised if there wasn’t a weaver/spider higher being

ohhh this whole time i thought that was kinda like a symbol

i didn’t notice the body wrapped in, i thought it was like a special place for a ritual

[pseudo geyser]

yea you can sort of see the neck of it above hornet's pointy ends

i think the theory right now is these things are the ends of tubes leading to the Citadel, and they house the Weaver's, extracting their silk against their will and sending it upwards

scuffed images but oh well hahaha

[covert hamlet]

Majora's mask ass statement

[covert hamlet]

Afaik that's just mossbags theory

[pseudo geyser]

probably, information amalgamates in my mind from wherever I see it. Though i do recall that same theory being the topic of discussion in here a week or so ago

[balmy reef]

This design is so dumb

they really slapped a sphere into a stick figure

[pseudo geyser]

does look like an alien tripod slightly hahaha

[vestal swan]

https://tenor.com/view/men-in-black-gif-24052578

What if it's this

[minor lily]

what if hatsune miku is the real final boss in silksong

[covert hamlet]

Kinda looks like a mask that would split in two
Maybe that's not the actual size of their head?

[midnight reef]

Only 1 day and 10 hours until we see, at least

[obsidian quail]

woahhhh nice

Weavers can’t catch a break

if there is a Weaver high being then it’s useless or captured too

[flat hearth]

It’s our theory comrade

[quartz salmon]

I think it's supposed to be a visual pun, since there's a family of spiders called Orb Weavers, the HK weavers are literally orbs

(Spoiler for anyone that doesn't want to see a real spider)

[harsh plume]

Bug kingdom from silksong also made by a wyrm?

[steep saddle]

Possibly but like other higher beings exist so (nightmare heart)

[glass fjord]

silksong tomorrow

[steep saddle]

Joyous

[glass fjord]

I’ll be at school when it comes out sigh

[steep saddle]

Skip school

[glass fjord]

Im good

[steep saddle]

Trust great idea

[flat hearth]

School is temporary, Silksong is forever

[sudden kiln]

Doesn’t that justify to not miss out on the temporary?

[lilac mural]

why is it a "haunted" kingdom

whats with that are there like ghosts?

[hexed ferry]

Boo

[viscid ridge]

Its said to be haunted by Silk and Song, so its probably a fancy why of saying that its cursed by something

[lilac mural]

in what way

[plush siren]

haunted doesn't necessarily mean literally ghosts. like you can be "haunted" by your past for example

[lilac mural]

ig yeah

[viscid ridge]

Like haunted being a round about way of saying something is bothering you

[lilac mural]

true yeah

[glad wren]

Also maybe haunted by the citadels curse?

[terse wadi]

Haunted by not realizing my crush was hitting on me 10 years later

In all seriousness, I think it's just something pestering them so much it drives them insane which allows full control

[sonic dragon]

I think we might not get a whyrm again

Unless it's as an Easter egg or something

[terse wadi]

Nightmare heart likely won't return

[real crater]

Pharloom isn't as far gone as hallownest

[sonic dragon]

Yup but we can get new higher beings hopefully

[terse wadi]

I sure hope so

Can't imagine there being more than like, 3 though

[real crater]

could be more since hk had like 3 we might get more since ss is biggedr

[sonic dragon]

I doubt silksong is getting that many higher beings

We might get the one that made the weavers and the one that is pulling the strings in the citadel

[terse wadi]

Hallownest was a bit abornmal

With like 7

[sonic dragon]

What hollownest didn't have 7

[real crater]

oh yeah i forgot i just counted the big three

[sonic dragon]

Nvm it is 7

I didn't count the semi confirmed ones

Ja Pharloom doesn't look like the place to allow more than one higher being to exist

Or at least for me hollownest seemed like a place of struggle to survive meanwhile Pharloom seems like total oppression from whoever is the the top of the citadel

[terse wadi]

PK, WL, RAD, Unn, NH, SL and Gods of Thunder and Gods of rain but those are in just memories of a dream

[sonic dragon]

Gods of thunder and rain are in the far away land lol not hollownest

Who is SL lol

[terse wadi]

I could see two if they a symbiotic relationship but yeah probs one

[terse wadi]

Shadelord

[terse wadi]

We visit their corpses to get weathered mask in a dream, in hallownest

[sonic dragon]

Ah yes well it's still 7 if we add the blue life beast

[terse wadi]

True

[sonic dragon]

Right but the land is not in hollownest

Just the dream lol

[terse wadi]

Dreams aren't just figments of imagination in HK

It's not the real Land of storms but it's a real dream version

[sonic dragon]

Right but the real land of storms is far away and those gods are native to that land

So I wouldn't add them to the hollownest list of HB

[terse wadi]

True however I'm

https://tenor.com/view/correct-technically-correct-technically-futurama-best-gif-4999851

Anyways

[terse wadi]

Pharloom likely has 1-3 Higher beings

[hard belfry]

theres probably going to be some weaver higher being and also whoever is king/creator/ruler of pharloom

[viscid ridge]

Does anyone have a screenshot of the steam cards? I wanna make sure of something?

[real crater]

It's on steamdb under the community tab

[brave raven]

hi guys ss is going to be a prequel right? about the travels hornet made before arriving to hallownest right?

[quartz salmon]

No

[brave raven]

😞 why

[hard belfry]

it might be we dont know

[brave raven]

okay 👌

[hard belfry]

you'll find out tomorrow

[errant owl]

we probably wont know till the end of the game i bet lol

or itll be some deep lore subtext that we need a mossbag video for

[hard belfry]

there seems to be plotholes for both scenarios

[brave raven]

what happens tomorrow

[quartz salmon]

Oh idk

[hard belfry]

and a lack of evidence for them both

[brave raven]

(joke)

[errant owl]

just a normal thursday

[river path]

I have a lore (?) question, does she have four more legs under her cloak and does it ever show her other arm holding her needle?

i think this shot kind of shows the hand

I'm also curious what the mask covers, like what her normal face would look like

[timber minnow]

This art sadly exists

[river path]

thanks, this is very helpful, especially the jumping one. it's cool she sort of looks like a spider from that angle

so... the mask is actually just her face?

[timber minnow]

Idk

[inner prawn]

HORNET PUT YOU'RE CLOTHES BACK ON

[wary phoenix]

I believe that her art has fallen, at some point in history this will happen.

[spring merlin]

Sadly?

[wary phoenix]

Probably

[wary phoenix]

Yes, very sadly

[river path]

isn't she immune to the corruption thing?

sorry, I didn't get very far in hollow knight and I only watched 1 lore video

[inner prawn]

She's smart and strong enough to resist it

like the mantises, but probably more-so

[wary phoenix]

I don't think they ever said anything about her being void-approved, I don't think they ever said anything about her having any minimal contact with him (apart from the Ghost)

[inner prawn]

I assumed they meant the Radiance corruption

[viscid ridge]

This would be less cursed if she had a neck 🤣

[viscid ridge]

I think she just has 2 arms and 2 legs, but they move in weird ways. We see her scuttle back in one animation, but you can see she still has 4 limbs, so the amount of limbs doesn't change only the way she moves changes (moves more like a spider)

[viscid ridge]

Me while waiting for the Skong tomorrow(real)

[gilded beacon]

Im not gonna silk it untill tomorrow

[icy sinew]

The fact the only familiar faces we have a chance of seeing are Bretta and HK is so exciting to me

[gilded beacon]

Hornet suffering from severe iron defiency

[icy sinew]

I’m gonna look around for a notebook this afternoon so I can take note of things

[gilded beacon]

I was very sad when elderbug told me that Bretta left

[icy sinew]

I didn’t even know she leaves until yesterday

[gilded beacon]

I was just fighting zote for fun

And she left

[drifting igloo]

will there be DLCs to silksong?

[olive stag]

most likely

[drifting igloo]

nice thx

[inner prawn]

They've basically confirmed there will be. They said they have big things they want to add if they can manage it

[rose siren]

aha, and then they will say "well, it's too big and we'd like to make a separate game"

[gilded beacon]

Zote boat

[viscid ridge]

Excuse me 💀

[gilded beacon]

No silk silktember

[viscid ridge]

Im gonna be silking it every day after tomorrow wdym 🤣

[gilded beacon]

What-

[viscid ridge]

Silk and song for 40 years!!!

[gilded beacon]

"Man dies after 40 years of silkin' it, scientist says: 41 is the human limit "

[viscid ridge]

Id die

[half pawn]

Silksong tomorrow?

[viscid ridge]

Tomorrow we're gonna silk our songs real good

[steel slate]

Silksong tomorrow.

[viscid ridge]

Silksong tomorrow (real this time)

[half pawn]

Could you also help me silk my song 🙏🥺

[steel slate]

Time to be genuinely productive for the first time in months to maximize the silk sung

[gilded beacon]

Silking circle

[viscid ridge]

We'll silk eachother's songs dw

[thick canyon]

The silking is tomorrow

The great silking of 2025

[gilded beacon]

"THE SILKING" sounds like the end of the world kinda scenario

[steel slate]

Who’s ready to see the “Silksong All Bosses 100% Hitless” video 2 minutes before release

[viscid ridge]

Im so delusional about silksong that my brain convinced myself to take sleep medication till i wake up at 7 tomorrow, so it could get here sooner

[thick canyon]

Exacly

[half pawn]

Silksong in 25 hours and 4 mins!!!!

[gilded beacon]

Can't wait for the final boss to be radiance 2: electric bogaloo

[viscid ridge]

Isn't it less than that

[thick canyon]

No i think its correct

[steel slate]

We’re gonna be fighting Radi Ants

[half pawn]

Now it's 25 hours and 3 mins

[viscid ridge]

16 hours left till silksong

[gilded beacon]

Final boss: radioactive cockroaches