sk-lore

[terse wadi]

It's canon now

[real crater]

So mote it be

[terse wadi]

Is Mote Zote's much cooler cousin

[real crater]

No hades 2 reference

[terse wadi]

I'm getting that

I have funds in my account just waiting for the SS price incase it's high

[real crater]

Prob won't be tc buisness model is a mixture of old and new one more specifically that of selling high quantity of goods with the modern pricing concept of keeping customers happy

[terse wadi]

Probablty

But pride is the folly of man

Afterall, what is a man but a miserable pile of secrets

Sounds like something hornet would say

[real crater]

Shaw {hornet saying yes }

[terse wadi]

Thank you for the subtitles

[real crater]

[terse wadi]

[real crater]

I love how calm this is compared to ss disc rn

[terse wadi]

Why do you think I'm here

My introverted ass isn't going into the cespool

[real crater]

Today's gartic phone is a bit too umm horny

[terse wadi]

With Horns right? With Horns right?!?!

[real crater]

No

[terse wadi]

Oh, the lack of sailkmanity

[real crater]

What

[terse wadi]

I made a silk pun

Not a very good one, but still, and it's 4 am

[real crater]

U should go sleep

[terse wadi]

Well, almost

I took my sleepy meds jsut now

Give me like 20 mins

[real crater]

So we got 20 min to discuss silksong lore

[terse wadi]

Or longer

(I have insomnia)

[real crater]

That's sucks man

[terse wadi]

Also, why tf is the word for sleep scientifically "som"

[real crater]

Pretty sure cause of latin

Yeah its latin for dream

[terse wadi]

Okay but we could've come up with something better than "somnomologist"

[real crater]

Wdym that's like something out of fantasy

[terse wadi]

Or however it's spelt

[terse wadi]

It's hard to say

[real crater]

Just say the doctor for my dreams

[terse wadi]

Sadly that doesn't work when booking appointments

Not that I currently have one on hand

Though I supposed "sleep specialist" works

[real crater]

Or the person to fix my dreams

[terse wadi]

Nah, I don't need that

I'm a lucid dreamer

[quartz salmon]

It's 20 USD 19 € pretty much confirmed

[terse wadi]

Hmmm

So around 27 cad

[quartz salmon]

I'll just buy it twice it's way too litte

[real crater]

Pillow have u looked at hunters march in the map looks like a chase sequence

[quartz salmon]

Gonna have it on the pc and the switch

[terse wadi]

I plan to do so as well, one for steam and one for Switch 2

[terse wadi]

@real crater I just Rad Absrad on my new file on my lsast run of the night

[edgy stone]

I have gamepass for pc but I'm probably still gonna buy the game

Id rather own it than anything else

[real crater]

Damn congrats

[terse wadi]

dunno what to do on this new file

I guess there's Mr Mushroom

All that's left to do is P4AB and P5AB

I could probably do P4AB in the next 4 days but I'm not doing P5ab

[quartz salmon]

Fuck it 3 times

One on pc one on switch and one when the physical comes out

[wintry anchor]

[real crater]

Start running randos

[inner prawn]

Play with the mod that lets you attack as fast as you can press the button

[pure belfry]

Anyone in ss-lore rn?

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, just busy working on something

[pure belfry]

What are ss-lore's thoughts on Pharloom's Folly? Particularly the last couple lines?

**When you wake they shall see your truth

A beast's nature bare to all.**

The thing catching my interest is the word "beast". It makes me think of Herrah the Beast. Hornet is Herrah's daughter. Maybe when Hornet "wakes" her beastial nature will come out? At some point during Silksong maybe?

I thought it would be an interesting train of thought to go down

[real crater]

I think the beast line just refers to the nature of the person the follys about I don't think it refers to hornet i believe it's similar to the hk one and refers to the ruler of pharloom and might refer to the forgotten kings

[pure belfry]

Could there be thematic or indirect connections perhaps? Like its original intent has nothing to do with Hornet or Herrah, but is still relevant to her character?

[real crater]

Could be

Maybe the forgotten king and hornet be so similar in their actions that it basically refers to them both

[pure belfry]

I think it's basically guaranteed we learn more about Hornet's origins and the Weavers in some capacity due to their strong connection to Pharloom

[real crater]

Yeah I really wanna see a flashback of hornets training montage

[viscid ridge]

Probably refers to the one who is causing the curse on pharloom, maybe another higher being we have yet to see?

[viscid ridge]

And the beast similarity has been pointed out, being similar to herrahs title, but i dont think its gonna have anything to do with her, probably something to do with Deepnest's dead sire, who from context in hollow knight is probably some kind of higher bug or higher being of some kind. But this is all speculation

[viscid ridge]

Or maybe, it refers to something that is yet to happen. If we assume the bugs of pharloom captured weavers to get silk, then when we free all the weavors, they will show their true power and maybe inact revenge of some kind.

We know weavers are important enough to have effigies made of them, so maybe the bugs of pharloom aren't revering a higher being, but the group of weavers that provides the silk.

[sonic dragon]

I wonder if someone trapped the fleas in silksong too

[viscid ridge]

Isnt it said somewhere that the fleas just accidentally got lost?

Cause we see they arent even in cages, they are just chilling about 🤣

[real crater]

I think the fleas are lost in silksong instead of being trapped

[quartz salmon]

Well there's gotta be some fishy buisness

[real crater]

Fishing in silksong??

[stark marlin]

i know that there is a low chance of actually being able to fish in ss but damn that would be cool

in the gloomy dock area

[glossy skiff]

did we not see bill again in a recent silksong trailer?

[sinful nimbus]

Nay

[glossy skiff]

i see i am silly and hallucinating, must've been a dream

[flat hearth]

4 days brothers

Also mossbag video is out

[midnight zinc]

Bro made an hour long video that’ll be obsolete before the end of the week lol

[flat hearth]

Hell ya

[lean temple]

Imo, the ones causing the Curse (most likely the Cult) and harming the Weavers/spiders in doing so will pay one day for what they've done. As in, trying to control people with the curse and hurting others is their folly and will be their downfall.

[terse wadi]

They forgor thier way

[real crater]

They forgot da wae indeed

[terse wadi]

ah yes, the universal equalizer, Karma

[terse wadi]

shoulda left breadcrumbs

So we know there's just a metric shit ton of HB in Hallownest and that's not normal but the normal amount in a given area might not just be one

It could be like, 3

[real crater]

Whats hb

[spark valve]

At least 2 seems like a safe guess

[terse wadi]

Anyhing's better than like 6 or 7

[terse wadi]

Yeah, that seems fiar

[spark valve]

It could also just be one potentially given Pharloom’s folly

[terse wadi]

I thought you knew this

[real crater]

Tell me it's full form

[terse wadi]

Perhaps

[spark valve]

Higher being

[terse wadi]

Higher beings

Woah Tammo, they asked me

smh/j

[real crater]

Yeah I think pharloom has like 4 new hb and maybe maybe nightmare heart

[terse wadi]

Nah

[spark valve]

Seeing nh again would be very odd

[sinful nimbus]

Oharliom will ahve ZERO hbs

Pharloom

[terse wadi]

Good for Oharlom

Nah I think there'll be one at least

[sinful nimbus]

As a treat

[spark valve]

From the Voice alone I’d expect at least one

[sinful nimbus]

The Voice could be a random dude like Seer

[quartz salmon]

maybe pharloom has like an actual pantheon with a bunch of higher beings

[real crater]

Ok we have the voice the master the fallen king and whoever phantom is working for

[terse wadi]

seer can't speak to every bug in the kingdom

[sinful nimbus]

Phantom works for the citadel

[real crater]

Doesn't citadel have a hb

[sinful nimbus]

Is the voice present in every bug in the kingdom?

[viscid ridge]

Yo ive been racking my brain as to why Phantom looks so much like Hornet, but i might have a theory that could explain it. Maybe Phantom doesn't look like that cause she is related to Hornet, but maybe because she is related to a wyrm? We know Hornet and the Pale king have the same face, so its not a stretch to assume other wyrm maybe having the same face structure?

[terse wadi]

Every huanted bug persumably

[quartz salmon]

well doesnt seth say it "chose" him? That would imply it isnt

[terse wadi]

That's just Seth's perception

[sinful nimbus]

Eeeeeh

[spark valve]

Sure but I think the context surrounding Seth suggests it a bit more significant, not saying it’s definitive just my expectation

[sinful nimbus]

Evil seer is undeniably cooler

[quartz salmon]

could be

[real crater]

I think seth might guard the everbloom or a key item

[viscid ridge]

Did you get that from the mossbag video?

[sinful nimbus]

Plus if the voice is a higher being we'll never get people shutting up about if they're the same species as Rad

[spark valve]

There are a few flowers in his arena but don’t think they’re everblooms iirc they’re the white roses

[real crater]

Haven't watched it yet

[viscid ridge]

Its really good, ive been waiting all this time for it

[opal beacon]

Since Sharpe is made of void ( and all steel assassins ), he might play a big part in the story/lore

[quartz salmon]

we just gotta see what it looks like

[real crater]

Sharpee might not even be a boss fight could be a chase sequence

[viscid ridge]

But most of the stuff we talked about here the last few weeks are essentially the same as in the video

[spark valve]

sharpe probably has a boss fight

[sinful nimbus]

You enter Seth's room and its a bunch of incomprehensible squiggles with one representing the voice's true form

[opal beacon]

He is

[sinful nimbus]

sharpe ain't void 💔

[spark valve]

he's probably not void though

[viscid ridge]

I think he is void, but there isn't enough evidence to confirm he is a void being

[real crater]

Also if u look at the map for the hunters march it looks perfect for a chase sequence

[opal beacon]

When attacking, his nose is acting like void tentacle

[spark valve]

we've seen a bunch of random horizontal combat rooms with ants it's probably mostly that

[quartz salmon]

it just looks like all the rooms weve seen the ants in, thin/long and progressing left to right

[vestal swan]

Am I hallucinating or did I just see the phrase evil seer, anyway it just gave me an idea. What if the voice is a moth fucking with people

[sinful nimbus]

Its a black flail

[sinful nimbus]

This is what I was saying but it wouldn't be a moth just a dude with the same capabilities

[real crater]

They will probably chose a different bug species for the bbeg

[viscid ridge]

I doubt it, i think the voice is just some higher being we haven't met yet

[opal beacon]

No, his nos attack isidentical to void tentacle

[sinful nimbus]

It doesn't

[spark valve]

it doesn't

[opal beacon]

Why

[spark valve]

because it doesn't look like it in any non superficial capacity

[viscid ridge]

I had this discussion with this server before, they arent gonna budge, lets jyst wait for the game to see if he is void or not 😅

[opal beacon]

OK, i will send, and then we'll compare

[sinful nimbus]

Void tendrils have very clear barbs, eyeballs, and are falling apart

[spark valve]

wow look void

[real crater]

Sharpee is probably based on void and isn't actually void

[spark valve]

he's based on an assassin bug using its proboscis as a whip

[real crater]

He is probably the bug version of void from wish

[flat hearth]

After watching Mossbag video I'm convinced theres at least a couple. Also gonna be some void in some capacity.

[sinful nimbus]

where do the voids eyes even come from

[viscid ridge]

This is giving me deja vu how about you? 🤣

[foggy fractal]

VOID !!!!!

[spark valve]

it's almost like people make the same dumb claim over and over again that is refuted by the same things

[sinful nimbus]

When TK is swimming is it just brushing up against a bunch of eyeballs

[foggy fractal]

we had this conversation like a week ago

[real crater]

Also 3 days ago

[spark valve]

they only become eyeballs spontaneously then go back to being formless goo

[sinful nimbus]

lame

[real crater]

Almost like the void is supposed to be creepy

[foggy fractal]

3 days.

[sinful nimbus]

Why doesn't shade lord use void eyes

[foggy fractal]

4 days

[sinful nimbus]

That would've been so much more awesome than what we got

[flat hearth]

Well the only thing is the Masters are confirmed to be involved with void no? And Sharpe works for them

[viscid ridge]

Idk if you are doing it on purpose or not, but every time you spell Sharpe as Sharpee i think of this 🤣

[spark valve]

they are not no

[flat hearth]

oh ok

[real crater]

It was

[viscid ridge]

Was what? You spell it incorrectly on purpose or?

[vestal swan]

Welcome to lore!

[foggy fractal]

thanks !

[flat hearth]

One things for sure knowing TC I think theres so much of this game we don't know about.

[spark valve]

I mean yeah it's not out

[opal beacon]

Why you showing me pale lurker attack

[flat hearth]

Well yeah, but the always do this kinda bait and switch stuff where they say the game is smaller than it is or they tease stuff to throw you off

[spark valve]

because it's as similar to void as sharpe is

[opal beacon]

Its not

[spark valve]

it is

[opal beacon]

Where was a gif with sharpe's attack?

[viscid ridge]

Aai here we go again 🙄

[real crater]

I hope there is a legit indianna jones style sequence in silksong

[viscid ridge]

Like with a boulder?

[spark valve]

I mean there's at least one escape sequence

[flat hearth]

Chances are high

[real crater]

I meant with like full on tripwires traps and boulders and mummies and stuff

[viscid ridge]

Eh, maybe a trap like in souls games, but i dont think tripwires

[flat hearth]

I mean there is quests, maybe Hornet will have to get some ancient trinkets and then get chased by a boulder

[viscid ridge]

Now tammo is gonna say its a probuscus

[opal beacon]

Its just looks similar to void tentacle

[spark valve]

the 'resemblance' to void tendrils is laughably superficial

[flat hearth]

Void confirmed ✅

[sinful nimbus]

In the sense that its a black flail

[spark valve]

tc has stated mulitple times that it is a proboscis

[opal beacon]

Its a nose

[real crater]

Sunset that's just a old tongue whip not void

[sinful nimbus]

Used as a black flail yeah

[opal beacon]

But it does not look like pale lurker attack

[flat hearth]

Everything is void if you squint hard enough

[viscid ridge]

Now tammo is gonna bring out the probuscus image 😅

[opal beacon]

Its a nose

[real crater]

It's doesn't look like a void attack either

[spark valve]

void vs anything else lashing around looks exactly the same people don't know what defeaters are

[foggy fractal]

next up he will bring up the other void tendrils we've seen

[sinful nimbus]

Pale Lurker's arms split at the ends during smear frames

[spark valve]

the only distinctive elements of void tendrils in hk in abyss are completely absent from sharpe

[foggy fractal]

"you're next line is" ahh

[viscid ridge]

IVE PLAYED THESE GAMES BEFORE

[real crater]

I think this debate is going nowhere and we should circle back after playing silksong

[foggy fractal]

yes

[spark valve]

and yet people keep saying the dumb shit

[real crater]

It might be dumb but it has mass appeal like coffee

[foggy fractal]

just wait like a week and we'll know

[viscid ridge]

Their shit and your shit is equally dumb man

[flat hearth]

4 days brother

[opal beacon]

I'm still hoping he's made of void

[foggy fractal]

how about dung defender's shit

[viscid ridge]

4 days 🥳

[sinful nimbus]

Both sides are bad

[real crater]

That's quality shit

[spark valve]

you don't even know what my argument is

[sinful nimbus]

Why can't we hug it out

[viscid ridge]

And ass jim's

[foggy fractal]

I doubt y'all are gonna complete the game day 1 so thats why I said a week

[flat hearth]

Can't wait to fight Ass Jim

[flat hearth]

Don't underestimate us...

[real crater]

Best boss of the century I already call it

[sinful nimbus]

I'll be speedrunning to the Sharpe bossfight to confirm he's not void though

[viscid ridge]

It seems to me ass jim only attacks us after we kill his lover 😞

[real crater]

Pls have a mod ping it to everyone /j

[flat hearth]

Seems like a reasonable response

[opal beacon]

He's attacking after you look at his ass

[vestal swan]

But what if hornet cuts his nose off?

[real crater]

The we won't know if hes lying or not

[viscid ridge]

But look who is laying behind him, ass tim (ass jims lover)

[opal beacon]

Ass Jim x mosquito soup ingredient, kinda lame ship

[viscid ridge]

??

[opal beacon]

It was stupid joke, mossbag said about mosquito soup in one of his videos

But they're actually called crawbugs

[real crater]

Sunset will u become THE silksong loretuber?

[spark valve]

loretubers all suck

[opal beacon]

No, because my lore theories are shit

[real crater]

Fair enough

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i wonder if its gonna be soup or candles, im more on the soup side

[real crater]

I'm team candles for ass jim

[flat hearth]

So is the spider boss we fight next to a wrapped up bell a weaver or nah

[opal beacon]

I think he is candle maker

[real crater]

Maybe we don't know yet

[spark valve]

doesn't look like it, could be trying to imitate ones but it has the wrong body for it

[opal beacon]

It looks similar, but probably not weaver

[flat hearth]

Hard to tell cuz it's got that bag over it's head

[opal beacon]

Weaver mimic

[viscid ridge]

Also here is Ass Jim (middle) attacking Hornet after she killed Ass Tim (left)

[flat hearth]

Mimics in SS confirmed?

[real crater]

It might be a weaver or someone trained by the weavers

[flat hearth]

Yea some kind of Weaver associate

[viscid ridge]

Could be but that wax looks lowkey delicious

[opal beacon]

Candle soup

[viscid ridge]

Maybe there will be flea mimics

[flat hearth]

Ya'll ever eat candle soup? I haven't yet, but the intrusive thoughts are always there...

[real crater]

Whyyyy???

[opal beacon]

He looks like asshole, and he will betray Hornet

[flat hearth]

The mustache screams I'm gonna betray you

[real crater]

Yeah he's upto some old school villainous chicanery

[opal beacon]

He's planning a murder

Maybe he will murder Sherma

[viscid ridge]

Giving a pimp named slickback vibes

[real crater]

Noooo sunset u were correct the lore theories suck

[opal beacon]

He gives me Captain Shepard vibe from Call of duty : modern warfare 2

[real crater]

Gives me the old school monocle wearing British accent villian

[flat hearth]

Dastardly for sure

[viscid ridge]

Maybe he looks sleazy, but maybe he is actually nice, just like Lemm

[lapis creek]

lemm doesnt look that sleazy

[real crater]

Or sly

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but he is an asshole, but he has a good heart

[viscid ridge]

Sly is sleazy, he doesn't try to hide it 🤣

[terse wadi]

Can never call him fake or two-faced, he's pretty honest

[opal beacon]

Lemm is typical history enjoyer

[viscid ridge]

Not with his personality, with his greediness over geo, he doesn't hide that, but he is a good person

[terse wadi]

Me too

[sinful nimbus]

Sly apologia

Bro hates the poor

[real crater]

Lemm is just a lazy rich old historian

[spark valve]

wouldn't really call lemm lazy he traveled to a kingdom alone to try to learn about it

[terse wadi]

Lrth's VA work for HK is hilarious, Lemm, Markoth, Nailsmith... and Cloths underground noises

[viscid ridge]

I wonder where Lemm got all his geo, he seems like a person who had rich parentsz but also feels like he worked really hard for his money

[terse wadi]

There's money all over the kingdom

Not that hard

[opal beacon]

TC said that Sherma is always needed the Hornet's help, maybe at certain moment, Hornet can't save Sherma, and she will die

[viscid ridge]

Yeah buti dont think hed fight for geo, and neither pillage corpses

[flat hearth]

He's got more VA work in SS too I think. Wonder what it is

[terse wadi]

There's literally Geo deposits

[viscid ridge]

No i love Sherma, he will live eternally

[viscid ridge]

But i dont think hed mine those himself 🤣

[opal beacon]

Lemm just born in rich family

[viscid ridge]

Lemm makes his money through PLEASE (I hope yall get the reference)

[opal beacon]

I hope so

Tai Lung ❌
Tai Bung ✅

[terse wadi]

A lot of historians especially in his field happen to be archiologists, not out of the question

[opal beacon]

Oh, the floor is also made of bamboo

[viscid ridge]

But thats the thing, if he was just born rich, it would explain his wealth, but also he isnt native to hallownest, so why would he have hallownests currancy as hesitance. Maybe geo is the most common currency in the world of hollow knight, and only rarely use other currencies, like in Pharloom do they use rosaries instead of geo.

[viscid ridge]

Yeah maybe, but i dont think lemm would do such a thing, because he is hesitant to do easier things

[spark valve]

geo is widespread

[viscid ridge]

I also think so

[terse wadi]

Pharloom is likely an outlier because of it's relgious zeal geo is a rock easy to get

[terse wadi]

Bros a history nerd, anything for that juicy lore

[flat hearth]

Geo is just rock isn't it?

[spark valve]

fossils

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, ancient bugs that have been fossilized

[viscid ridge]

Maybe lemm farms the giant husk gaurds that is like a block away

[flat hearth]

Ahh I didn't realize that. That's cool

[opal beacon]

Its kinda interesting, that in moss grotto and Shellwood silk threads are go to the right, in the deep docks just up, and in the far fields to the left, so

[flat hearth]

I think it heavily implies someone is pupeteering or controlling the bugs somehow

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, probably all pointing to the citidel, or the possible cacoom above the citidel

[flat hearth]

Pointing to the Citadel for sure

[real crater]

Are we talking about the string pointing to the citadel theory?

[opal beacon]

Yes

[viscid ridge]

Imagine if what happened to Hytale happened to Silksong, the world would have burned

[real crater]

I mean it makes sense but I hope there is a twist

[dull pewter]

what ending will be mostly the sequel to in ss. Cause in hk the problem was the randients so what would be the problem in ss?

[spark valve]

tc isn't that lazy it probably won't just be that

[opal beacon]

Ofc there will be a twist

[real crater]

Maybe twisting silk????????

[foggy fractal]

soooooooooo much aura 🤤

[opal beacon]

Tai Bung is controlling the bugs

[real crater]

Who is tai bung

[viscid ridge]

Probably also a trapped higher being, if we refer to Pharlooms folly, it sounds like the bugs of pharloom is keeping something trapped, but its also very likely to be something else

[dull pewter]

What is pharloom

[viscid ridge]

Im also a very hopefull prequal believer

[real crater]

I don't think they are keeping a hb trapped but probably just using a dead Hbs power

[viscid ridge]

Name of the Silksong Kingdom

[dull pewter]

Oh okay

[dull pewter]

Nuh uh, sequel

[spark valve]

it's not a prequel if it was they wouldn't metroid her before the game starts and reference her having tools in hallownest

[viscid ridge]

No cause it seems to me they are using silk to keep this higher being asleep, and hornet is gonna try to free him

But this is opinion, its like 10% chance idk

[viscid ridge]

Yuh uh, prequel 🥺

We'll see in a 3 days 🥳🥳

[real crater]

I don't think the pharloomians are strong enough to trap a hb

[lapis creek]

the first time i read pharlooms folly i thought it was about the possessed people of pharloom and not a higher being

but then i remembered that this is hollow knight and that would never happen

[dull pewter]

Isn't it the 4th of sept

[viscid ridge]

Idk you have a point, but i also feel whatever is causing the curse is to strong to not be a higher being, i dont think normal bugs, even weavers can cause it, i hope we'll see

[spark valve]

'heart bound in slumber and servitude' would be weird with that interpretation but sure

[real crater]

It could be the power of a dead Hb it doesn't have to be a trapped one it could just be them being fools enough to believe they can use a dead Hbs power that is the folly of pharloom

[lapis creek]

it would be weird you're right

[viscid ridge]

If it is a higher being, i dont think its dead, because it pharlooms folly it seems the higher being is asleep, and bad things will happen if it wakes up

[real crater]

Sleep is often used as a euphemism for being dead i can honestly find arguments for both sides

[lapis creek]

it was more like that the heart is the people and the rest of it is just pharloom in general but it still relies on a weird interpretation of the text that just makes more sense if you're talking about one thing

[spare relic]

Arguments, you can't just say that without arguments, like the guy above said about her tools

[viscid ridge]

I think its gonna be something like Azothoth, if you know about him?

[viscid ridge]

Me and the guy were joking bruv, you can literally see the guy above me saying nuh uh 🤣

[spare relic]

Nvm it's not even in the same universe

[flat hearth]

I'm sure there is

[viscid ridge]

In the lovecraft lore, the universe is all in the dream of Azathoth, and if he wakes up the entire universe ends. I think thats maybe whats happening in silksong, with the bugs trying to keep the higher being asleep, so it doesn't destroy them or something

[real crater]

It's all a dream theory is banned

[viscid ridge]

But i dont say its all a dream, im saying its comparable to the one in lovecraft

[real crater]

I am not saying it's that theory i am saying it's comparable to that theory

[viscid ridge]

Im not saying that pharloom is all in the dream of the higher being, im saying that the higher being is probably powerfull enough to destroy pharloom, so the bugs keep him trapped so that it doesn't happen

[viscid ridge]

But also now that you mention it, Unn?

[real crater]

Unn created the moss thingies by dreaming them up it's not a it's a dream theory

[viscid ridge]

Yeah exactly, but also my theory isn't saying that everything is a dream. I was just making a comparison about how in the Lovecraft world, the gods keep him asleep, similar to silksong if the theory is correct.

Also comparable to the one SCP who they tell a bedtime story to, in order to not destroy the world.

Also on an unrelated note do you guys think we'll get a release day trailer?

[flat hearth]

Don't think so

Did they do that for HK?

[terse wadi]

Got the menderbug entry

[viscid ridge]

Would be strange if they dont do it?

[terse wadi]

The release day trailer is the game

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i guess, but also think it would do numbers if they did a release day trailer

[flat hearth]

I don't think they've ever dropped a release day trailer for HK or any DLCs

[viscid ridge]

I think they did for the base game didn't they?

[viscid ridge]

The most heartless entry

[flat hearth]

No. They did the exact same thing they did for SS. Release date trailer 2 weeks before the game comes out

Thats it

[viscid ridge]

Oh ok i never knew

[flat hearth]

Yeah, they are not like big on marketing in general

Now Nintendo, Xbox, or Sony could do something I guess, but TC probably won't do it themselves

[viscid ridge]

Leth has the most chill job ever

[flat hearth]

Lol seriously dude, well except for dealing with this fanbase...

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but they literally do no marketing thats why the fandom have become a sespool in the last few years

[vestal swan]

He doesn't have to deal with this fan base he can just ignore them

[real crater]

What are they gonna do they are in too deep

[spark valve]

that's not true nor is it why

[flat hearth]

Ari & William are both extremly offline people according to the Bloomberg interview so it just is what it is

[viscid ridge]

Team cherry's marketing director trying to do marketing (challenge impossible) 🤣

[vestal swan]

Community trying to understand what his actual job is: challenge level impossible

[spark valve]

yes he's so bad at his job nobody knows what silksong is

[viscid ridge]

But honestly i think if it wasnt for leth, hollow knight would have been so popular, he does a good job

[flat hearth]

I think his job is more dealing with Sony, Ninendo, Xbox etc right?

[viscid ridge]

Were just joking calm down man

[spark valve]

yes

[viscid ridge]

Makes me excited for Crowsworn, there was a time that i thought Crowsworn would come out before Silksong

[real crater]

A lot of people did it

[viscid ridge]

That was like the lowest point for SS fans

[flat hearth]

Crowsworn has kinda gone dark too, feels like they are trying to copy TC, but TC thing isn't a strategy it's just who they are

[vestal swan]

A lot of people don't know how game development and time works

[viscid ridge]

Nah, they do updates once a month i think, they are way better at communicating than TC is

[flat hearth]

They are definitely better at communicating than TC. I meant relatively to how much they used to communicate, they communicate less now from what I can tell

[spark valve]

they aren't really better

[viscid ridge]

After Silksong, well wait 7 years for Crowsworn instead 🤣

[flat hearth]

Nah I'd bet CS comes out in like late 2026 or 2027

[viscid ridge]

Yeah true i haven't seen any updates in a while, but im pretty sure they'll update their fans

[viscid ridge]

Maybe 2027, how big is the crowsworn team?

[flat hearth]

I actually asked a couple weeks ago, this is what someone said in the discord

[flat hearth]

I'm not sure

[sinful nimbus]

HK fans when their girlfriend stops texting them (feels like they are trying to copy TC, but TC thing isn't a strategy it's just who they are)

[vestal swan]

Similar size

[sinful nimbus]

Powdered you can't Knightno react me anymore

[vestal swan]

@carmine blade fault

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but like team cherry has 3 people? I think the crowsworn team has way more than that

[real crater]

We got hornet no now

[flat hearth]

Feels like a big miss that they didn't shorten it to :horno:

[vestal swan]

It doesn't even look good as a reaction it's too tiny

[sinful nimbus]

You're right wtf

[real crater]

It should have been on the left side

[viscid ridge]

[vestal swan]

It should have just stayed the originals tbh

[carmine blade]

original artist wanted it updated

[vestal swan]

The original artist made it downgrade I'm sorry

[foggy fractal]

my goat shalun

[flat hearth]

We all just answer to somebody in the end

[viscid ridge]

Does anyone have that ass jim gif, i havent seen it in a while?

[vestal swan]

They get used as emote reactions not as regular emotes and they look bad as emote reactions

[foggy fractal]

grrrrr do NOT disrespect Shal.... mods get this guy !

[sinful nimbus]

emailing you hornetno rn

[foggy fractal]

thanks

[sinful nimbus]

not you sorry

[foggy fractal]

shame

[viscid ridge]

Does anyone have the ass jim among us emoji 🥺

[real crater]

I will email u the hornetno andy

[foggy fractal]

thanks

can you mess with the cropping with emotes like you can with pfps

or what you upload is what you get

[real crater]

U cant crop it

[vestal swan]

The problem is it would cut off most of hornet's head to make it actually look good so we should just go back to the old ones

[terse wadi]

Eh

[foggy fractal]

I'm sure someone could make it work with Hornet

[terse wadi]

[viscid ridge]

Thank you 🙏

Everything is so small now, i cant even properly look at jim's ass

[terse wadi]

Used to be a sticker

[light verge]

I’m open to suggestions

[spark valve]

the sign could just be a tad bigger that's all

[foggy fractal]

he might be open to suggestions

[real crater]

Also the x sign to the right might be better

[vestal swan]

The old ones

[light verge]

So, flip the signs, I’m gonna try not increasing the size of the signs, but rather making the actual x and + bigger and with more contrast

I’ll @ you guys in #off-topic once I’m done, gonna eat a quick lunch first

[real crater]

Thanks shalun

[foggy fractal]

🥪

[light verge]

I am gonna keep hornet however since…Silksong

[quartz salmon]

are there going to be sandwiches of any kind in silksong

[foggy fractal]

ig also try making Hornet smaller ?

[real crater]

Prob not since bugs dont consume sandwiches

[foggy fractal]

too funking big

[foggy fractal]

silk burger 🤤

[quartz salmon]

they dont live in apartment buildings either

[real crater]

Wrong I have seen bugs in houses irl

[quartz salmon]

ok they dont live in houses -that they own

[foggy fractal]

they do in hollow knight !

[real crater]

Nobody owns the house they own the deed to the house

[quartz salmon]

thats my point

so they could be making sandwiches

[foggy fractal]

veggie burger

[terse wadi]

A gulka and gorged husk sandwitch

[real crater]

Noooooooo

[quartz salmon]

infection is like jelly

or actually lifeblood

[foggy fractal]

lifeblood is the drink

[real crater]

Pretty sure lifeblood is like a parasite

[quartz salmon]

its something

[terse wadi]

Lifeblood is vitality juice limited edition

[quartz salmon]

apparently drinking it makes the hunter want to eat his own guts? didnt remember that

very weird

[sinful nimbus]

Well he's just pondering

"If the insides of these plants taste so good what would I taste like"

Average Hunter musing tbh

[quartz salmon]

very weird train of thought by the hunter

[terse wadi]

Nah, he's just a foodie

Congrats on your 112%

[quartz salmon]

wow you noticed thanks! i was stuck on pantheon of the knight and gave up like 5 years ago

decided to pick it up again cause silksong and finished a bunch of achievements including that

[drifting igloo]

hey how will we be able to fight the other bosses in SS?

[terse wadi]

Nice, I'm doing P4AB on a new file rn

[terse wadi]

wym

[drifting igloo]

i mean how will we be able to foght them again

[vestal swan]

We don't know if that's even going to be in the game

[drifting igloo]

in hollow knight, we have godhome, but they can't do a godhome in ss

[vestal swan]

It's highly requested but it's probably not going to be in the base game because they said they didn't want another Godhome or something along those lines

[quartz salmon]

pantheon 4 absolute bullshit?

[real crater]

We don't know if silksong will have a boss rush mode

[quartz salmon]

oh all bindings right

[terse wadi]

Lmao

[real crater]

No pxab are now pantheon x all bullshit

[drifting igloo]

i wouldn't like a boss rush tbh

[gilded beacon]

Probably as a DLC

[real crater]

Gods and glory was not a dlc it was a content pack

[terse wadi]

Yeah, all bindings, I've done it before only thing I havn't done is P5AB but no

[terse wadi]

Twas it not Dowloadable content it twas

[real crater]

If u have done p4ab p5ab isn't that hard

[terse wadi]

Twas a free dlc

[real crater]

I have played these games before

[eternal gazelle]

Ascended arenas really fuck up some fights

[terse wadi]

^

[eternal gazelle]

Most notably collector and markoth

[real crater]

Fair enough i went straight for p5ab

[gilded beacon]

Mother gruzz and Markoth

[eternal gazelle]

Ascended gruz mother is a dramatic increase in difficulty but it starts at the floor

[gilded beacon]

Specially Markoth, not being able to use the floor makes it awful

[terse wadi]

Idk if I'm good enough at Absrad to fight her for like 5-10 minutes which I presume is the length of her fight on AB

[real crater]

No it's like 4::45 for me

[quartz salmon]

i just do like 1 or 2 at a time i aint that good + its kinda boring cause every boss takes ages without the nail upgrades

[eternal gazelle]

I developed heart palpitations from doing this

[terse wadi]

Yeah, that tracks

[vestal swan]

It's just a lot of pogo and dashing without falling off the ledges

[real crater]

I had to do like rad absrad 3 times in a row before doing my p5ab runs for the day

[terse wadi]

individual bindings still gets you lifevblood and if you do it for P5 too that's weathered mask

[eternal gazelle]

Can you imagine how bad it would be if her final phase orbs were still bugged

[quartz salmon]

yea i kno

[real crater]

I started in 2024 so I don't know what u are talking about I am happy I played hk later

[terse wadi]

I started HK in DEC of 2019

[quartz salmon]

i got it around there too either march of 2019 or 2020

[terse wadi]

I think until I did this new file for SS release I hadn't played since 2022-2023

[quartz salmon]

yeah p much the samw i had it on the switch and bought it like 3 or 4 months ago on steam cause of SS

[terse wadi]

But I played a lot from 2020-2022

[stray scaffold]

I've been in this community for longer than I want to admit

[terse wadi]

I think my steam copy is a steam key that Tammo had as a spare

I originaly got it on switch when I first got mine

[quartz salmon]

zamn

[terse wadi]

He said he had it, and asked who wanted it and I said me

Anyways

Hornet will silk and shout and let it all out

[quartz salmon]

lucky!

[quartz salmon]

i wonder if that taunt button has any actual function

its gotta do something

[spark valve]

if it did I think it probably would've been indicated in that demo control screen since that indicated the inputs for stuff hornet didn't have

[terse wadi]

Makes the boss angrier

[real crater]

It might have late game functionality that tc didn't wanna spoil

[quartz salmon]

so youre saying in the demo it was a placeholder for later game stuff

[terse wadi]

"You have enabled hard mode the boss now does double damage"

[real crater]

Tc stealing from the indie devs fromsoft smh

[spark valve]

no I'm saying I don't think it's important enough for tc to put it on the remapping screen so it might just be a silly easter egg for people who hit that button

[quartz salmon]

oh i see

maybe

[quartz salmon]

i can see certain enemies canceling whatever attack theyre doing when you taunt and just charging straight at you

[terse wadi]

Not much of an easter egg if everyone knows about it

[terse wadi]

That'd be funny

[quartz salmon]

it also uses a little bit of silks so

i dunno

[misty vigil]

this is literally just ice and icicles

[terse warren]

Sure is

Border of the screen starts getting all frosty, too

[misty vigil]

now I'm an ice crystal/snowflake truther for those white spheres

[quartz salmon]

It's definately some kind of spore but I'm not doubting it's cold cause tc did the same thing last game with kingdoms edge being the "snowy" area but the snow was just dead skin from the cast-off shell

Also this seems to be close to the end of the game, probably second to last area and it's still inside

It's not an open place like say Dirtmouth

[misty vigil]

it's still made of bone

[gentle aspen]

It’s ice

[foggy fractal]

🥶

[quartz salmon]

Definately doesn't look like it

[gentle aspen]

As a moderator I mustn’t stoop to childish insults

It looks like frost on a camera

Not spores

camera or glass whatever

[real crater]

It's probably doesn't look like trad ice cause tc wanted to be whimsical with the art style

[quartz salmon]

Not the vignette
I mean the white material on the slope

[willow epoch]

quick fucking question

[gilded beacon]

Like how the "snow" in Kingdom's Edge is dead skin from the cast off shell

[willow epoch]

Why is she. particled

[gilded beacon]

To me it looks more like a decaying corpse turning to dust than void shenanigans

[willow epoch]

THATS actually true

[finite dirge]

What in the world

[willow epoch]

https://youtu.be/1zLBwGl-xEg?t=563
this part in mossbag's video

[gilded beacon]

If it was a void ghost it would move, attack or do something, but it just decomposes, like a corpse

[finite dirge]

I didn’t think she was void

[gilded beacon]

She's probably not

[willow epoch]

it immediately does this . i dont think shes void either just scary black particle effect

[gilded beacon]

When void decomposes it turns more liquidy and gooey, thast just dust-like

[willow epoch]

hmmm very true, shes pulling a peter parker

[gilded beacon]

We can see this with the collector

[willow epoch]

"Missus Huntress... I don't feel so good..."

[gilded beacon]

Sorry I don get the reference

[oak lotus]

W LACENET

[gilded beacon]

But Hornet is not void,
Unless we get a giant neon sign with "HORNET 100% VOID" written on it

[oak lotus]

hornet is half higher being half spider

[vestal swan]

No

You can't be half higher being it's a status

[oak lotus]

I thought we sacrificed mossbag for silksong

[oak lotus]

isn’t higher being the creature born from a wyrm

[gilded beacon]

We did, that's just a fake one

[vestal swan]

No

[oak lotus]

oh

[oak lotus]

oops mb

[vestal swan]

A higher being is a proper deity, that includes the white lady, the king, Unn, radiance, the nightmare heart

[gilded beacon]

Hornet would be half spider half Wyrm then?

[oak lotus]

oh makes sense. Radiance is too, no?

[vestal swan]

I did say radiance

[foggy fractal]

guh

[vestal swan]

Also TK when they have the void heart

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ born of god and void

[left dune]

isn't every vessel a higher being

[vestal swan]

No

[supple blade]

vessels are vessels

higher beings are """"gods""""

[left dune]

but they are all pale kings and white lady's children so 2 pale beings should make more pale beings or?

[supple blade]

except that's not how it works

also they're actually mutated normal bug corpses

[sinful nimbus]

?

[sinful nimbus]

Pale Being isn't a classification its just a shorthand way certain characters use to refer to the Pale King and White Lady

[left dune]

Mossbag lied to me 😭

[supple blade]

don't worry they do that all the time

[supple blade]

if you look at them from far away

[obsidian quail]

is hornet not a demigod

in constitution

[sinful nimbus]

She is but the game doesn't really use that terminology

[supple blade]

.

[obsidian quail]

i said constitution not labels

[left dune]

but like if hornet is a demigod arent vessels just gods like pls explain

[sinful nimbus]

Demigod means child of a god and non-god

[supple blade]

I know I looked the message up while you were writing the second one 😔

[left dune]

right and vessels are children of 2 gods

[sinful nimbus]

The concept breaks down when you look at vessels which aren't considered gods by the games standards

Which is why I said the game never uses that terminology

[left dune]

ok so where on a scale of god or nongod are vessels

[obsidian quail]

the vessels are said to be born of god and void and the Knight can read the higher being tablets

[sinful nimbus]

They're powerful non-god entities, similar to like Shamans or Weavers but more powerful

[sinful nimbus]

That's a description of its heritage and the "higher being" tablets are directed at regular bugs entering Hallownest

[obsidian quail]

it can read the ones that say Higher Beings these words are for you alone

[sinful nimbus]

Those aren't using higher beings as we think of it

[obsidian quail]

what

[sinful nimbus]

Again they are directed at regular bugs entering Hallownest

[obsidian quail]

the tablet before the Abyss is for regular bugs?

[sinful nimbus]

"Higher being" meaning deity is used outside of the universe

[coarse walrus]

what is that thing surrounding the soul panel called near the masks

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

It is explaining why the door is there

[real crater]

Also not to go in there

[obsidian quail]

i thought only Higher Beings could read it, i’m not sure why regular bugs would be privy to that information

[sinful nimbus]

It doesn't espouse much information tbf

[real crater]

There are different tablet which only higher beings can read and normal ones iirc

[sinful nimbus]

That's not what the word espouse means idk why i used it like that

[sinful nimbus]

Nah not really

[obsidian quail]

that’s what i thought

[real crater]

The mantis one can be read by anyone

[pine flax]

that's not the in-universe term
"Higher Beings", as the king addresses them, applies to all the bugs who's minds were uplifted by his beacon

[obsidian quail]

i just don’t know why regular bugs would be able to read about PK’s plan and a Vessel ascending

seems like something he’d only share with his equals

[sinful nimbus]

They can also read about THK in the city of tears town square so

[obsidian quail]

yeah that’s not secret

[sinful nimbus]

Its not like the abyss tablet offers much information beyond where THK was created and that apparently there's something not meant to be seen down there

[obsidian quail]

but the Abyss is for sure need to know

[sinful nimbus]

It doesn't detail whats in the abyss or even what it is

Also if we were to believe it did actually say something of importance idk why he'd give information about the vessel project to other higher beings besides his wife

[obsidian quail]

because radiance is packing up everyone in the vicinity

but i’m fine with it being how u say

so ur saying when PK says Higher Beings he’s talking to all bugs? he’s telling regular bugs to let all bask in their majesty?

[sinful nimbus]

She'd have been sealed if the plan worked

[obsidian quail]

she was already an issue that i’m sure all Higher Beings were aware off in the vicinity so i’d assume PK ran it by them

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah he's talking about how their sapience has been uplifted

[sinful nimbus]

I don't know what Unn would gain from that ngl

[obsidian quail]

so why would it say Higher Beings ur great strength marks u amongst us if it’s about Sapience

[sinful nimbus]

amongst Hallownest

[vestal swan]

There's no mutation?

[obsidian quail]

so why do only some say Higher Beings and others don’t

[sinful nimbus]

What?

[obsidian quail]

some tablets say Higher beings these are for you alone, and other tablets do not

so i assumed the ones that did were special

[sinful nimbus]

Those ones aren't Hallownest addressing its subjects

[terse wadi]

The real question is can only HB and their kin read these or is it basically telling normal bugs to fuck off and not read it

[sinful nimbus]

Neither

[vestal swan]

It's propaganda, it's for normal bugs to get them to stick around

[wanton timber]

How does ass jim fit into this?

[real crater]

He's the best boss he's always related

[terse wadi]

For some of them I could believe that but wtf does telling them how to focus soul do for them, because they either A can't or B don't know wtf that is

I know it's a tutorial but still

[terse wadi]

He doesn't (he's to thick"

[real crater]

I think we nerded too hard

[wanton timber]

Hes bug with a big ass from game changer episode ratfish

[terse wadi]

Ass Jim exists checkmate atheists

Nature could not craft an ass so fine, it is divine

[tawdry flare]

Real Question who do we think is responsible for Jim’s creation

[terse wadi]

Me

[real crater]

Probably ass jims parent

[wanton timber]

Ass is responsible

Ass john and ass martha

[terse wadi]

I personally think they're all J names

So Joanne

[thick canyon]

Will we get a new big ass water area? Like the blue lake, i Hope so

[real crater]

We have craw lake

[terse wadi]

Isn't there several lakes in the game already

[wanton timber]

So much water

[thick canyon]

I mean like BIGGG water place

[real crater]

Man tc really wants hk enjoyers to take a shower

[terse wadi]

Blue lake is not that big

[gilded beacon]

The lake keeps going in the background

[oak lotus]

yeah guys the hollow knight world is not 2d

[terse wadi]

You're right

It's 1D

[real crater]

In reality hk has a mix of both 2d and 3d assests

[terse wadi]

[real crater]

Nerded the Convo away

[oak lotus]

lacenet will definitely be canon tho

[terse wadi]

That is entirely dependent on whether she dies

[sinful nimbus]

erm

All the assets are 2D they are just in a 3D space

[real crater]

Oh yeah mb

[oak lotus]

it’ll be like how hornet and the knight were enemies to friends, but it’ll be enemies to lovers

[terse wadi]

Erm, actually the game is 2.5 D

[real crater]

No that's different ex hades 2

[terse wadi]

That wasn't enemies to friends, that was "If you aren't strong enough I will kill you"

[oak lotus]

is parallax considered a 3d space?

[bright tinsel]

Why are some people saying that people are being controlled in SS ala “Radiance and their Infection.” Has that been confirmed to be the case? Because it seems to me that people are fine, it’s just this “cult” we see that seems to want us dead/captured… for some reason

[terse wadi]

They're being puppetteered

[spark valve]

Forge-Daughter: Oh! Small pointy bug, why do you bother us, at our work?

Hornet: The sound of your craft called me to investigate. I’d expected more combative types, but you seem composed?

Forge-Daughter: Oh… The rest? They’re all wound up! Their work still continues, in its simple way, but they’re useless for conversation. It’s only ourselves and Ballow over there with any sense left.

[bright tinsel]

Like a Marionette? Has that been confirmed?

[terse wadi]

It's why bugs give silk on hit

[terse wadi]

We see it in the demo animations of hitting and killing enemeis

[real crater]

The enemies literally have their strings cut when u kill them

[terse wadi]

*enemies

[real crater]

Huh?

[bright tinsel]

Ohh, well then… maybe the cult needs Hornet for her “silk powers” (or silk in general considering she’s a weaver herself), to continue puppeting the population?

[real crater]

Hornet is not a weaver she was trained by the weavers

[sinful nimbus]

No but HK uses 3D spaces in Unity to achieve parallax

[terse wadi]

God, Fat fingers + minor dyslexia is a pain

[oak lotus]

did you see the trailer? Lace is 1000000000% lesbian, and we already knew hornet was a lesbian queen. Plus, we’ve already had LGBTQ couples in hallownest

[terse wadi]

she's not a weaver

[oak lotus]

oh that’s cool as fuck

[terse wadi]

She's Wyrm spider

[bright tinsel]

Oh, my mistake

[oak lotus]

isn’t she a higher being spider

[terse wadi]

It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility but I need to see where her allegiances lie

[midnight zinc]

She’s not a higher being

[real crater]

Yes hornet is born out of a union of God and spider

[oak lotus]

her dad is tho

[terse wadi]

She's essentially a Demi God in the tradition sense of the term but no she's not a HB

[midnight zinc]

Correct

[terse wadi]

And unlike vessels only one of her parents is a HB

[oak lotus]

yeah it would be SO CUTE LOL

[oak lotus]

yeah I just was thinking if we’re going off of her being some sort of half and hald, her dad wasn’t really a wyrm

[midnight zinc]

I can see Lace working with Hornet after the second fight, but I find the idea of a canonical romance between them to be pretty laughable.

[oak lotus]

were vessels higher beings?

[terse wadi]

yes he was

[terse wadi]

They weren't but both tiheir parents were

[oak lotus]

noooo I need the sesbian

[terse wadi]

Only TK ascends to godhood

[oak lotus]

oh he’s still considered a wyrm?

[terse wadi]

He always is, he just changed forms

[midnight zinc]

Sorta. Their interaction with the void keeps them from really being HBs in the traditional sense, but the knight with the Void Heart is absolutely a higher being, arguably the most powerful in the HK universe

[oak lotus]

ok thx

[terse wadi]

It's pretty implied

[oak lotus]

By the end of silksong I think hornet would he able to overpower the knight

[oak lotus]

She called hornet delicious, that’s the zestiest thing I’ve ever seen

[terse wadi]

Unless she also achieves godhood, no

[midnight zinc]

That’s hard to imagine, power scaling doesn’t really work in HK. But I can definitely seeing her getting some crazy weaver/wyrm hybrid transformation in at least one ending.

[midnight zinc]

And Hornet called her a child. So unless we’re going the Call Me By Your Name route, it’s not happening.

[terse wadi]

They don't have to look like puppets and I'm not saying they are puppets they are being puppeted

[oak lotus]

There’s gonna be like 5 endings so maybe

[spark valve]

Would need to be a bit more than just godhood

[terse wadi]

That's not counter evidence

[terse wadi]

I agree but it would be a minimum requirement

[oak lotus]

age in hollow knight is weird tho. This isn’t even being weird, we have no confirmation of the ages of any characters

[bright tinsel]

Well depending on what silk moves she gets and the tools/charms at her disposal, she might have a chance

[spark valve]

It seems eminently reasonable given the strings and forge daughter dialogue to posit that they’re being puppeted in some sense of the word

[terse wadi]

Hornet is really old she was around pre fall

[spark valve]

No silk skill will make any difference

[oak lotus]

hmm not as old as quirrel tho right

ZOTEBOAT

[terse wadi]

Older probably

[oak lotus]

oof

[midnight zinc]

But we know that Hornet was born during Hallownest’s time, and we also know entire ages of the world have passed since it fell. Hornet is basically an ancient being. Regardless, romance goes both ways and Hornet has shown zero interest in Lace, or romance in general.

[spark valve]

He said it was implied not a 100% confirmed fact

[flat hearth]

I think they changed the dialogue between them also, Hornet looks down on Lace basically

[oak lotus]

if you want to believe Reddit discussions, the knight is potentially older https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/15p4iyj/how_old_are_hornet_and_the_knight/

[oak lotus]

okkkkkkk

[flat hearth]

She also calls Lace a child

[spark valve]

The knight and hornet are around the same age either could win out slightly

[olive stag]

i feel the romance thing doesn't make sense cause it just seems like lace's personality. she's just naturally the challenging/flirtatious type

[midnight zinc]

Actually Quirrel is probably older. Seems like he was an adult when Monomon recruited him and the mask kept him from aging. Monomon was likely recruited by the PK before Herrah, she was probably the last, and Hornet was born after that recruitment. So Quirrel was probably already an adult when she was born.

[oak lotus]

might be an insult tho

[flat hearth]

I'm sure it's an insult but why would you use those words if you weren't older than someone?

[spark valve]

I mean you could use that term to imply somebody is being childish this isn’t a great point

[vivid kernel]

childish

[terse wadi]

Hornet is still aging and is alive she's old as balls

[midnight zinc]

Yeah I don’t see Hornet wasting her time with a relationship, she has a mission. And she definitely doesn’t seem like the type to fall in love with someone who repeatedly tries to impede a mission she’s on by killing her.

[flat hearth]

Sure but it doesn't feel like that to me from the dialogue. But it's open to interpretation I guess

[olive stag]

how can you even tell lace's age by looking at her

[oak lotus]

hmm good question

[flat hearth]

You can't, but Hornet is old and calls her a child, that's all

[olive stag]

yeah fair

[oak lotus]

lace is the one who freed hornet from the cage

[flat hearth]

Lace could be old too but relative to someone who's lived 100s of years she's still a child

[midnight zinc]

In order to kill her, yeah

[midnight zinc]

Likely closer to thousands of years tbh

[olive stag]

no way of telling really, they're bugs after all

[flat hearth]

Yea, I mean I don't think time works the same way but Hornet is ancient

[midnight zinc]

Time doesn’t seem to be measured the same way as the real world since there’s no sun, but again Hallownest fell “ages” ago.

[olive stag]

time gets wonky when there's no mention of dates whatsoever

[oak lotus]

wait and hornet’s version of a stag is also a boss?

[olive stag]

i think the steel people will be the main way silksong talks to hk's lore

it seems like the most obvious connection at least

[midnight zinc]

Well them and the weavers

Since they were actually in Hallownest, at least some of them were

[terse wadi]

The only ones left in hallownest are children the adults all left

[oak lotus]

Even if there’s no romance it’s very likely lace will be Silksong’s version of hornet cuz we’ve seen two separate boss fights with her

[olive stag]

i like the discussion surrounding whether or not silksong is a sequel

[oak lotus]

I thought it was confirmed?

[midnight zinc]

If it’s not the story of HK is way worse

[olive stag]

nah

[olive stag]

personally i'm really hoping it's a sequel cause it would suck for all our progress in silksong to culminate in a boss i've beaten dozens of times

[terse wadi]

The general consensus is sequel because it takes a lot of retconning and inconsistences to make a prequel work but nothing is comnfirmed

[oak lotus]

all ending are canon except sealed siblings, correct? Assuming it’s a sequel

[oak lotus]

lol

[terse wadi]

All

[olive stag]

mossbag's take is really interesting though, if you've watched his video

[midnight zinc]

They’re allegedly all equally canon, according to Team Cherry like 8 years ago lol

[oak lotus]

how is that one canon then?

[terse wadi]

Seal breaker bugs

[oak lotus]

yeah I did see that but idk how that would work

[oak lotus]

true

[flat hearth]

Team Cherry said that all the endings are canon

[terse wadi]

Lace can be seen conducting them in her idle animation and one breaks the seal on hornets cage in the opening cutscenes

[flat hearth]

They also said that anything they say isn't canon so...

[olive stag]

they did say that before the godhome dlc, though...

[oak lotus]

my attention span is so short i never got through that video. I’ll probably watch it tn

[midnight zinc]

Personally I think “they’re all canon” is bullshit, not because it’s not technically possible, but because that makes Godmaster’s cliffhanger completely pointless.

[sinful nimbus]

As if it wasn't already pointless

[terse wadi]

it's not a personally, they are all canon

[sinful nimbus]

Its not even a real cliffhanger

[midnight zinc]

It’s not pointless if it ties into the story of Silksong

[flat hearth]

Their official statment is that anything they say should not be regarded as canon. Only events that happen in the game are canon

[sinful nimbus]

Which would be bad writing

[obsidian quail]

canon ending discussion again

[midnight zinc]

lol, lmfao even

[terse wadi]

The only pointless thing is discussing it in the first place, it's already confirmed

[olive stag]

the release of silksong implies one (or more) ending is "more correct" than the others, unless silksong is a prequel OR set in an alternate timeline

[obsidian quail]

even sisyphus is looking at us in pity

[real crater]

God can we give this discussion a rest it's beaten to death and beyond

[terse wadi]

It really doesn't

[sinful nimbus]

No it doesn't, we see the opening of the game and it has nothing to do with any particular ending in HK

[oak lotus]

it can’t be Sealed Siblings, even if we believe team cherry. They said this before Silksong was announced

[midnight zinc]

And I’m saying that’s lazy writing and makes the story of both games worse, I don’t care if it’s not up for debate.

[sinful nimbus]

Because its a spinoff story

[real crater]

Keep fighting for the truth imma leave

[obsidian quail]

the sisyphean cycle never ends

[terse wadi]

Sealed siblings is possible, idk how much we have to beat people over the head with this

[oak lotus]

but if she’s sealed then it can’t work

[sinful nimbus]

ETV is already bad writing integrating it into SS would make SS also have bad writing which is bad

[olive stag]

there's an ending where it's heavily implied she like... dies

[oak lotus]

we haven’t seen anything that can break a seal

[sinful nimbus]

?tag info jokerpsa

[gleaming basin]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[terse wadi]

she doesn't

[sinful nimbus]

Guy who has never played HK

[oak lotus]

Nvm im dumb

[terse wadi]

I literally told you that 5 minutes ago

[obsidian quail]

dude, the game will start with Hornet getting captured, depending on ur personal ending of HK will contribute to ur personal headcanon of how this occurred, but it won’t be addressed because what happens in SS is not related to HK, thus new players can play and be on the same level as HK players

[oak lotus]

actual sprite chat

[bright tinsel]

It’s not really Sisyphean, as we actually have an escape from this. Now, if it was an endless cycle we didn’t have escape from, it would be Sisyphean

[oak lotus]

zoteboat

[obsidian quail]

if u did Sealed Siblings, then u can make ur own headcanon on how they bust Hornet out, if u did Dream No More, u can make ur own headcanon on the citadel bugs finding her and catching her, SS starts at a point that won’t invalidate any previous HK choices

[terse wadi]

^

[oak lotus]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/vLZ8wasAAVY

[midnight zinc]

God I hope not

[olive stag]

i sure hope he is

[obsidian quail]

if u find that unsatisfactory well nothing we can do there, just criticize TC

[terse wadi]

For who said earlier it was "lazy writing" it's not, SS is a standalone expierence in the same universe they don't have to reference HK in anyway aside from relevant hornet information

[oak lotus]

there’s gonna be a room with a single primal aspid and when you kill it there will be a primal aspid boss

[midnight zinc]

I am, I have, and I will

[oak lotus]

he won’t cuz they’re saving him for ZOTEBOAT

[obsidian quail]

that’s just the best way to make it so everyone can play the game, it’s a product of good intentions

[midnight zinc]

You don’t need to know the story of HK to play it, that’s a terrible argument

In fact I’d argue most people who go out of their way to learn about the story online still have a poor understanding of the complete lore

[obsidian quail]

what

[oak lotus]

where is the hornet and lace dialogue

[olive stag]

what they're saying is that TC's intention is to make silksong standalone, i.e. you don't need to know HK's story to play it

[midnight zinc]

Yeah that was never going to be the case

That you needed to know HK’s story, I mean

[obsidian quail]

is he joking

[terse wadi]

Then why is one ending being more canon than the other relevant

[obsidian quail]

this is bait

[oak lotus]

me?

[terse wadi]

I mean, it gotta be at this point

[olive stag]

i'm glad that's the case, cause silksong will inevitably draw many new players and it'd be a shame if the full experience was locked behind another game

[olive stag]

🪤

[sinful nimbus]

(One that already had its story finished anyway)

[midnight zinc]

Anything I don’t get is bait

[terse wadi]

HK already has timelines in the game itself, saving zote or not completing the ritual or not etc it's not exclusive to endings

Every choice you make is valid

[obsidian quail]

if u want a canon ending then that’s spoiling HK

for people who didn’t play HK

[olive stag]

true that

[obsidian quail]

so u want people to know the canon ending of HK in SS but not play HK?

doesn’t make sense

[olive stag]

what

[terse wadi]

The canon ending is TK goes to buy cigs and never comes back

[obsidian quail]

Alus is saying u don’t need to know HK’s story for SS even with a canon ending but that’s spoiling the experience of HK

[olive stag]

understanding this is actually more of a puzzle than silksong lore

[midnight zinc]

I have never said this in my life

[terse wadi]

God forbid people paraphrase

[obsidian quail]

do u want a canon ending

[viscid ridge]

I know team cherry says theres no true ending fro hollow knight, but deep down we all know which one is the true ending

[obsidian quail]

that’s what ur criticizing isn’t it

[olive stag]

yes, it's that one ending i'm thinking about rn and every other isn't cannon

[terse wadi]

Zote kills radiance, yeah

[olive stag]

any zote silksong believers out there?

[obsidian quail]

it seems u said u want a canon ending to be addressed in SS, i said they won’t do that because SS is intended to be standalone so anyone can play, u said the HK story regardless doesn’t need to be known, those two sentiments contradict each other because a canon ending is HK story

[viscid ridge]

Yeah we all know

[midnight zinc]

What I did say was you don’t need to know the story of either game to play them, that’s not really how TC makes games. A “true ending” of HK that goes into SS wouldn’t ruin SS for new players because which ending it’s even following probably wouldn’t even be clear upon first playthroughs. I don’t think there’s a single person who understood HK’s story after playing it once.

[obsidian quail]

exactly and knowing the true ending of HK would literally spoil HK

[midnight zinc]

There’s no contradiction between “you don’t need to know the story to play” and “a true ending would be nice for people who go out of their way to replay the game several times”

[sinful nimbus]

You would need to play HK to get the necessary context for SS though

Which is different from playing a self contained game where all its lore is in the game itself

[obsidian quail]

dude it’s the TRUE ENDING how is that not spoiling where the story of HK leads

[olive stag]

i mean, if they added an area with the same name as zote's sword's material... there has to be at least an easter egg

[obsidian quail]

ur playing HK knowing where it’s gonna end

that’s spoiling the first game by playing the sequel, which isn’t what they want with SS

[spark valve]

The argument being made is basically “yeah tc wants the game to be approachable to new players but I don’t think they’ll understand the story anyways so even though they say that about the setting and narrative they don’t really mean it”

[midnight zinc]

That’s already not happening though, because the main character’s backstory happened in the first game.

[olive stag]

i doubt silksong will be self contained (though i still think no canon endings). it was intended as part of hollow knight initially, so i think at least some story elements will communicate with HK's story, even if the whole lore is available inside silksong

[obsidian quail]

i don’t understand how knowing the ENDING of HK isn’t spoiling HK

[sinful nimbus]

Sure but I doubt that's really relevant beyond the stuff with the weavers (Which SS is presumably explaining anyway)

[obsidian quail]

ur playing already knowing how it ends

[spark valve]

They’re assuming people won’t understand the spoilers which is very funny

Well assuming that tc is specifically trying to trick players

[viscid ridge]

I know im gonna get flack for this, but another piece of evidence for why i think Silksong might be a prequel, is Hornets entry in the hunters journal, where the hunter speculates if she is also a hunter.

If we are under the assumption that Hornet also gets the title of Hunter from pharlooms Hunter equivalent (maybe Huntress), before coming back to Hallownest, it would explain why the Hunter comes to this conclusion.

[midnight zinc]

I mean I guess we’ll see, this is what I thought for the last six years and now we find out that void and maybe the ancient civilization are in Pharloom. I’d definitely prefer if their relevance to the main story is kept to a minimum, but them being included at all makes me unsure.

[spark valve]

Anyways any potential follow up on EtV would be absolute garbage anyways and tc aren’t idiots so it’s not happening

[terse wadi]

she is a hunter, has nothing to do with the huntress

[sinful nimbus]

I'm not fond of void and AC stuff but elements like that are insanely different from endings

[olive stag]

the hunter speculation feels more like a comment on her daring character. she did stab the dude after all

[spark valve]

This is nothing that’s not why he makes that assumption he makes the assumption because she immediately counterattacks and gets away in a way that demonstrates prowess

[terse wadi]

Her Prey is weak vessels

[viscid ridge]

From the hunters cloak description, but im wondering, who gave her the title, was it the weavers?

[sinful nimbus]

Hunter is giving her the title

[viscid ridge]

Yeah possibly

[terse wadi]

She's a hunter and her prey is Weak vessels

[olive stag]

so ... any bets on who the jinn/jiji masters are?

[lapis creek]

me

[terse wadi]

Us

(Cheese and I)

[midnight zinc]

Steel assassin guys, or they also work for the masters more likely. Or maybe the masters are the AC which is alive in some form in Pharloom. Or maybe it’s Sherma.

[viscid ridge]

My guess are they are possibly descendents of ancient bugs who didn't die out. I have no evidence so we'll have to wait to see what their deal is

[lapis creek]

someone described this by comparing it to marvel and i still think it's a great comparison

[obsidian quail]

i think TC has the mindset where not having a canon ending is better than betting on everyone having the same mindset as alus

less risk there

[lapis creek]

well it's just that if the knight or thk shows up people will wonder who that was

[olive stag]

i do really love the steel assassin designs. i wonder if there's any reason behind all that steel

[midnight zinc]

Hornet watching the vines in EtV when THK shows up: “he’s right behind me isn’t he?”

[lapis creek]

and to answer that question fully they would have to play hollow knight

[obsidian quail]

and that perspective u have isn’t an objective one

[lapis creek]

and get that one specific ending

[terse wadi]

They're all canon, not "none are canon" I think the important thing to preface is they're all canon, they never said to SIlksong just all canon if it's a sequel then it can be any one of them pick your headcanon, if it'sa prequel it doesn't really matter

[obsidian quail]

so the safer bet is to avoid what people would deem spoiler territory

[viscid ridge]

A comparison i wanna bring up, is that the steel bugs remind me a lot of the kingsmolds and wingmolds, they al feel very robotic

[lapis creek]

they did also say they would try their best

[terse wadi]

Love it when my giant sivbling comes to give me a hug

[midnight zinc]

Yeah that’s how perspectives work

[edgy stone]

Mossbag supported the prequel theory

[terse wadi]

Look at this guy, knows definitions of words

[lapis creek]

if it's inevitable for the story they want to tell i think they would commit to one set of endings over another, i just hope they don't because the knight's story is closed

[olive stag]

yeah for sure. also makes the theory about the "masters" being remnants of the void civilization much more plausible, since it could be true that the steel assassins are made in similar molds to the kingsmolds/the mold at the lighthouse

[midnight zinc]

He’s such a silly little guy

[terse wadi]

He's the only silktuber of that mind iirc

[lapis creek]

filthy prequelist

[spark valve]

I’m confused as to what that comparison would be

[lethal burrow]

can't wait for the big frog mouth boss to be the final enemy in the game and eat all your new powers

[lapis creek]

slop

[olive stag]

his theory really could go both ways though. if silksong is a sequel, the weavers could've returned to Pharloom in a desperate attempt to save the last weavers over there

[lapis creek]

just senseless large scale action

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i wouldn't take one comment that team cherry said 7 years ago as fact, its either a sequal and 1 (we know which one) is canon, or its a prequal, in order to not interfere with the anonymity of Hollow Knight's endings.