sk-lore

[spark valve]

I'm not gonna send the brick gif again so just use your imagination

[echo hull]

i dont even know how to access p5

[void verge]

Pantheon of pharloom but you need to finish it hitless, 0 silk, level 1 nail to get the ending

[echo hull]

like ive done p4 but
( dont tell me i wanna find it out myself)

[gentle aspen]

I’ll delete it anyways

bro cannot read

[void verge]

Only two hk bosses i never ended up fighting are nkg and absolute radiance

[tawdry flare]

My WiFi is incredibly slow

[terse wadi]

Erm Level 1 Needle

[void verge]

Wonder how much dream shenanigans there will be in silksong
I doubt at all, but i feel its also kinda a little weird just vanishing all of it given how prevalent it was in hk

[terse wadi]

Dreams likely exist, we just don't know if Hornet can access them

[spark valve]

they certainly exist

[void verge]

I dont imagine she will be able to necessarily access them but we will see

[terse wadi]

I mean in Pharloom

[spark valve]

yes they are everywhere they are in pharloom

[gilded beacon]

Don't think so, considering that she doesn't have dream nail,

Unless Nedolin allows to somehow

[spark valve]

dreams are minds anywhere there's anything intelligent (or even animals or plants) there's dreams

[echo hull]

WHO IS NKG

[tawdry flare]

Nightmare King Grimm

[terse wadi]

Nightmare Hearts OC

[echo hull]

oh

hes lwk peak except for when he corners u

[gilded beacon]

Any ideas of what use could the Nedolin have?

[terse wadi]

Sick tunes

[gilded beacon]

Good point

Can you serenade Lace with it?

[void verge]

Playing woke music like crystal peak ost

[real crater]

Probably not I think it's more for aesthetic then a actual gameplay mechanic

[terse wadi]

(I'm starting to think people don't know what woke means_

Bro thinks music won't be p[art of a game with song in it

[real crater]

It means to be woken

[real crater]

I meant like u can't play music for lace and have her not fight u

[spark valve]

it has a face button input which would be strange if it wasn't a gameplay mechanic in some capacity

[terse wadi]

Well, of course not, it's likely a puzzle mechanic

[real crater]

Oh I forgot don't u open doors with music I remember seeing another bug opening it

[void verge]

The woke left, so idk anymore

[spark valve]

uuuh if that's the sherma clip hornet is standing next to a lever isn't she

[real crater]

Idr man I need to go sleep

[spark valve]

the needolin (still think that's a dumb name) probably has some sort of utility though it doesn't necessarily need to do anything in combat, not sure what though and can't really imagine anything

it could just be used as an alternative way to interact with things or whatever

[gilded beacon]

Probably it serves to open doors and get extra dialogue

Maybe we could get some use in combat, but don't think so

[terse wadi]

Could just be a dreamnail equivilant role wise

[carmine blade]

I want some zelda like music puzzles

[spark valve]

it seems ill suited to have combat utility given the pace of the combat

[rugged ore]

If i mention hk here am i getting muted?

[spark valve]

in hk so much shit makes you just stand still but in ss it would kinda be out of place

[carmine blade]

Yes

[rugged ore]

Wait actually?

Dang

[carmine blade]

Only one way to find out

[terse wadi]

Lmao, curly

[tawdry flare]

Your Player Character (Hollow Knight ) Dies In The Sealed Siblings Ending

[rugged ore]

HOLLOW NIGHT IS CONNECTED WITH SKONG?

Bye people 💔

[carmine blade]

Well of course it is.

[terse wadi]

Zote-

[rugged ore]

Ouuuuuu

I missed the big thingy

[carmine blade]

Anyways lets be serious. This is a lore channel

[rugged ore]

Got it 🫡

[tawdry flare]

You can say Zote because his dad and brother are going to be in Silksong (according to my Theory)

[real crater]

We should talk about lore here like why is needlion the name that's stupid

Does hornet find a violin bow for her needle????

[terse wadi]

Tammo just likes being different

[spark valve]

do you really not think the name is pretty silly

[real crater]

It is very bad I think a child named ngl

[terse wadi]

I don't feel strongly either way

[real crater]

I mean why not give her an actual instrument like a flute

[terse wadi]

I think hornet would have a stringed instrument

[tawdry flare]

Needolin just makes sense and is probably more fun to animate

[real crater]

A electric guitar would have been better ngl

[spark valve]

her playing her needle like that is fun it's the name that's weird

[terse wadi]

You also have to consider that hornet is practicality over looks she doesn't really care

[real crater]

I just want hornet to carry around a band worth of instruments in her cloak is that too much too ask??

[terse wadi]

Yes

[real crater]

Imagine she just pulls up to the final boss with drums a full orchestra and some guitars

[quartz salmon]

I wish

[void verge]

Hornet dies 10 hours in skongu

[uneven oak]

hornet shot dead in greymoor

[echo hull]

hornet attempts pop in silksong and fucking dies

[dim mulch]

what if silksong is just hornet's dream while she was getting captured

[opal beacon]

Hornet's coma

[gilded beacon]

Hornet found dead in an alleyway

[terse wadi]

Can we classifiy dream theory as a low effort meme and ban it from the channel

[real crater]

Yes pls along with hornet is void

[gilded beacon]

What's the dream theory?

That Silksong is just a dream type bs?

[terse wadi]

There is none, Dream theory is just the commmon cop out of "it was just a dream"

[spark valve]

dream theory provides an explanation for the greenpath dreamer encounter from a narrative perspective

[gentle aspen]

yeah

Already banned

[gilded beacon]

Ah, yes let's ban that

[hallow cliff]

There was a button for needolin at the latest demo, right? Did it do anything?

[real crater]

It let hornet play her needle like a violin

[terse wadi]

Trivializing my game experience by saying it never happened is not cool

[hallow cliff]

Like, she would just sit there and play it?

[real crater]

Yes there should be some footage on youtube

[hallow cliff]

Thanks!

[covert flicker]

What is the general consesus about if silksong is a prequel or a sequel?

[spark valve]

it is probably a sequel.

[gentle aspen]

Generally believed to be sequel

[terse wadi]

Sequel

[real crater]

Not confirmed but yeah a sequel

[gentle aspen]

based on timeline (weavers leaving hallownest is recent + hornet wants usual tools + her cloak and needle are worn) plus it makes more sense for narrative freedom

[covert flicker]

Yeah I figured, but I thought I should ask

[spark valve]

forgot getting metroided in silksong

[uneven oak]

To be honest I hope Silksong is a sequel

[gentle aspen]

that too but she could have that regardless

but it also makes sense for sequel because the nerf in hk wouldn’t make much sense

[spark valve]

you don't metroid somebody in a prequel

the point of that would be showing how they initially got the powers and shit

[gentle aspen]

Other M

[spark valve]

more like mother (yours)

[void verge]

Reminds me of the key and peele skit

[dim mulch]

tbh we should but i was just wondering yk maybe

[spark valve]

it would suck but also isn't true so who cares

[gilded beacon]

It's just lazy from a narrative standpoint

[terse wadi]

It's a cop out answer

"we don't have to explain ourselves because it was all a dream"

[viscid ridge]

Did yall see the price is said to be $20

[terse wadi]

Dreams also mean something different in the HK unicerse

*universe

[gilded beacon]

I would gladly pay more

But if they want 20 I'll pay 20

[real crater]

I mean its a stupid theory anyways but enhance it with the dream lore of hk universe it becomes more stupid

[terse wadi]

HK and now SS are sold at a low price for accessibility

Games are stupid expensive in some countries

[gilded beacon]

Yeah

[real crater]

Also 20 dollars isn't confirmed btw it's just from gamestop

[gilded beacon]

And they are only getting more expensive each yeat

[midnight reef]

interesting video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwzCUzVm9KM

[gilded beacon]

Knowing that HK cost 15$ I can perfectly imagine SS costing 20$

[midnight reef]

Just comparing a bunch of the scenes from the release to the other trailers

[real crater]

U can see the increase in quality it's def phenomenonal

[midnight reef]

It looks like the void in Lace's arena is a newer addition

least- it looks like there's void in Lace 2, beneath the arena

[terse wadi]

Tammo can feel his "you're wrong" senses tingling

[midnight reef]

oh whoops

[real crater]

God I hope we get a dialogue saying there is no void in pharloom pls

[midnight reef]

No I was just seeing things, no void there, just petals not illuminated

[spark valve]

Probably foreground

[midnight reef]

Yep

I have a strong feeling that we will see void once more, to be honest

[spark valve]

It’s possible

[gilded beacon]

It's fair to assume that we will

[midnight reef]

to what degree I dont know, but considering the everblooms and AC are clearly returning

[gilded beacon]

Is posible that we see more of it, but I don't know how it may be used by Pharloom

[midnight reef]

yeah

[terse wadi]

It's used to make coffee

[real crater]

Delicious would drink

[gilded beacon]

Now I'm wondering how would void taste

[terse wadi]

Void squeezed

[terse wadi]

Black Licorice

[gilded beacon]

Drinking void from a vessel mask as if it was a coconut

[spark valve]

Like nothing

[real crater]

Ask the knight he prob tasted it during the shade dash cutscene

[midnight reef]

dont drink too much, the void will coalesce in your digestive system and try to kill you

[gilded beacon]

Just drink a little if Radiance's infection to counter it

[terse wadi]

Orange soda probably tastes better anyway

[real crater]

Hmm why do I wanna start a oj company with a moth as the mascot

[gilded beacon]

Probably tastes spicy

[midnight reef]

Void probably tastes like grape soda...

[terse wadi]

Gives me black licorice vibes

[real crater]

Why grapes

[gilded beacon]

I agree, void would taste awful

[real crater]

Why are u dismissive of void it would prob taste great

[gilded beacon]

What taste do you suggest?

[terse wadi]

I think void would think you taste great

[real crater]

Hmm maybe realllllllyyyyyyy concentrated coco

[gilded beacon]

Is this a good or a bad thing?

[gilded beacon]

Dark chocolate could also work tbh

[real crater]

Good thing the void is frend

[terse wadi]

To vessels

[gilded beacon]

Void cake 🤤~~

[sinful nimbus]

Fallen to the dark side

[terse wadi]

Literally

[gilded beacon]

Fallen into the abyss

Hear me out for a moment

Take one of those small Baldurs remove the eyes and open it by the bottom in vertical, without damaging the sell, once open stuff it, the stuff can vary, some like moss other with Tikik, it doesn't matter, once stuff, put it in the oven at high heat, the idea is that the outside turns crusty while the outside is still soft an chewy,
Sharp Baldurs aren't usually stuffed since their meat is already thougher than the normal Bladurs, instead is well seasoned

Idk man I'm think I'm losing it

[tawdry flare]

Have you seen the end of the release trailer

[sinful nimbus]

THAT'S GENERIC HK PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL

[terse wadi]

I think you're both high on copium

[lapis creek]

i would laugh my ass off if there was no void in silksong

[sinful nimbus]

I would cry tears of relief

[lapis creek]

id also be kind of relieved because theyve done enough with it

[spark valve]

no void in ss is the best timeline but maybe not the one we're in

[gilded beacon]

I would cry because then I wouldn't be able to taste it

[lapis creek]

anyway guys the game is called hollow knight silksong obviously the game is gonna be about the hollow knight

in addition to the silksong

oh wait some people actually think this bad example

[spark valve]

That will never not be funny

[lapis creek]

seriously though just because it doesn't hold up in court doesnt mean it's not gonna happen

you gotta face the music otherwise when youre wrong in 6 days people will never take you seriously again

[terse wadi]

I've kept a neutral stance

[sinful nimbus]

Galatians 4:16

[gilded beacon]

What if instead of void there's the opposite

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway I acknowledge the possibility of void in Silksong I just also think its dumb and stupid

[gilded beacon]

Why is that?

[sinful nimbus]

Void had very specific thematic connotations in HK that don't seem to really align with Silksong

[terse wadi]

Personally I think void is everywhere but deep underground but I would agree it doesn't need to playa major part in SS

[gilded beacon]

I see your point

[sinful nimbus]

Also tbh I'm just biased against rehashed concepts

It could be cool for worldbuilding but eh

[lapis creek]

Proverbs 30:2

additionally Deuteronomy 25:11-12

[terse wadi]

Tf you guys on about

[sinful nimbus]

what

[opal beacon]

We're eating good with these hype messages

6 hype messages in a row

[terse wadi]

My eyes

[gilded beacon]

Flash bang

[lapis creek]

you can use different aspects of the same thing to deliver a different theme though cant you

[sinful nimbus]

Yes but unless there's some parallels going on I don't know why they would reuse void specifically

[lapis creek]

like with the ac, obviously their failed attempt to take all the land is a parallel to the pale king, nothing lasts forever, etc.

[terse wadi]

If we want to be nitpicky everything is a rehash of something else

Originality is a lie

[sinful nimbus]

That's different from directly reusing story elements though

[lapis creek]

but not much has been done to explore their culture, maybe their religious zeal parallels that of pharloom and we learn something from that

idk how theyre gonna approach it

[opal beacon]

Changed

Void theme

[lapis creek]

could be cool for worldbuilding

[opal beacon]

Void theme is cool

[sinful nimbus]

New stuff would probably be better for worldbuilding

[lapis creek]

i agree dont get me wrong

[sinful nimbus]

What I think is that if the reused elements don't compliment both stories I don't believe they should be reused in the first place

[opal beacon]

Which characters do you think will die? I think Garmond

[spark valve]

Yapperoni 42:0

[terse wadi]

Sherma

[sinful nimbus]

You will push the last judge through the hole you fall in at the beginning of the game

[lapis creek]

but in a game partially built on unused ideas from hollow knight i will let them do fun things with void if they want

[sinful nimbus]

I will not allow it

[gilded beacon]

Sherma is gonna die

[lapis creek]

sherma 100%

[opal beacon]

Why you need to push him

[gilded beacon]

And maybe Hornet in one of the endings

[sinful nimbus]

He's not gonna fall of the cliff himself

[rocky flare]

noooo my shayla

[sinful nimbus]

Also they need to get as much use out of the Hornet slapping sprite as possible

[gilded beacon]

Is the harsh truth

[opal beacon]

I think Garmond, if TC said that quests will have "unexpected" twists, and Garmond was already featured in two quests, i think in some quest he will die

[rocky flare]

[opal beacon]

He will survive

[gilded beacon]

The plot twist is that Zaza is the one who kills him

[spark valve]

I don’t think characters dying will be as big a thing they died for a reason in HK (I’m avoiding the T word because I’ve inflicted enough trauma)

[sinful nimbus]

what if he's weakened

[lapis creek]

they can die for reasons in silksong too

[sinful nimbus]

And when his thingamabob hits the ground it ignites the entire Moss Grotto

censer

[opal beacon]

I hope Silksong will have explosions

[gilded beacon]

Pimpillo

[opal beacon]

Not these

Building explosions, that would be cool as hell

Ofc without bugs inside

[opal beacon]

Its seems it goes even further up....

[spark valve]

Sure but I’m talking generally about the absence of overarching reasons for that to be the norm

[gilded beacon]

Thank God no one is getting hurt

[opal beacon]

Suspicious asshole

[spark valve]

HK is about things coming to their natural ends it makes sense that so many of the npcs would end up dying once they fulfilled a purpose or something

[opal beacon]

Everybody's dying in lore

[sinful nimbus]

Its a dark gritty soulslike of course people will die

[spark valve]

Like you for calling it a soulslike

[gilded beacon]

He is plotting a murder (probably Sherma)

[opal beacon]

Yeah, i hope Hornet become Sherlock Bugmes, so she can investigate a crime

[gilded beacon]

Silksong is actually a murder mystery game:
Who Murdered Pharloom's Higher Being?!?

[opal beacon]

Jokes aside, i think he will do something with fleas

[gilded beacon]

Sell them so they can be eaten ( by me )

Flea smuggling

He also looks very different to the other adult fleas

[opal beacon]

Lmao

[opal beacon]

Adult fleas

Are they really are?

All these are called caravan

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, I mean the fleas that look more human-like

[opal beacon]

Humafleas

[gilded beacon]

Flurries

[terse wadi]

That is both a type of wind and a paper mario charachrter

[gilded beacon]

Elite knowledge

[gilded beacon]

Jokes aside wth do you even know that?

[terse wadi]

Paper mario

[gilded beacon]

I meant the wind thing

[terse wadi]

Oh, her name is that because she has wind attacks

That's the joke

She's a ghost, wouldn't make much sense otherwise

iirc it can also mean someting happening very quickly

*something

[gilded beacon]

From which game is she from?

[terse wadi]

Thousand year door

[gilded beacon]

Is she the trans witch or diva cloud?

[terse wadi]

"A flurry of actions"

[terse wadi]

The diva cloud

The other one is Vivian

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, right now I know who are we talking about

Tbf I've never played any Paper Mario games but I still know a little bit

[terse wadi]

Paper mario is probably the most "indie" thing Nintendo produces feels more comfy than AAA Slop

[gilded beacon]

They've found a comfort zone and they aren't going to leave it in a long time

Still they are trying to be "somewhat" original with their games

Which I appreciate

[willow epoch]

LORE?!?!

[terse wadi]

Loren't

[gilded beacon]

Oh yeah! Uh... Hornet is Voidn't

[terse wadi]

I'm gonna summon Tammo

[gilded beacon]

No please

[terse wadi]

Sharpe is void

[gilded beacon]

I can agree with that

[terse wadi]

I know, but Tammo doesn't

(idrc)

[gilded beacon]

Even if he isn't that wouldn't change much I think

[terse wadi]

Not really

[lapis creek]

you don't think garmond would give up his life to save his country

[terse wadi]

Ass Jim would

[gilded beacon]

Ass Jim would give anything for his country

Even his ass

[terse wadi]

Can't wait to gain emotional attachment to some new character only for thwem to die

[errant owl]

sherma :(

[gilded beacon]

Forge Daughter's assistant

I forgot his name

[errant owl]

what if we just gave everyone being mind controlled by the bells some sick headphones

[terse wadi]

I don't think it's sound based

Looks like puppeteering to me

[errant owl]

True

[gilded beacon]

Maybe the song from the bells counters the silk control and that's why the weavers are wrapping the bells in silk?

[runic musk]

they could also not like how loud they probably are

[terse wadi]

Just like me fr

[gilded beacon]

The bells doesn't let them sleep

[errant owl]

vibration baseddd

[spark valve]

I don’t think it makes sense to assume it’ll come to that in the way it would if he was in HK

Again I’m talking about a different level

[lapis creek]

thats true

[spark valve]

I’m not even saying I don’t think ANY characters will die

I’m saying I don’t expect it to be a pattern necessarily

[lapis creek]

i guess in hk for most characters who die it's about accepting an end

except for lurien and leg eater and zote

thats a general theme

[spark valve]

there are exceptions but for a lot of characters their deaths sort of reflect the game’s larger perspective on death yeah

[willow epoch]

does anyone think hornet is gonna end up being self-sacrificial or nah

[gilded beacon]

Probably in one of the endings at least

We know that there's going to be multiple endings

[willow epoch]

hopefully

[spark valve]

It’s not confirmed there are multiple endings just pretty likely since the first had them

[gilded beacon]

YOU WANT HORNET TO DIE!??!

[gilded beacon]

Wasn't there in the Steam tags?

[willow epoch]

THE MULTI ENDINGS NOO

[gilded beacon]

YOU DON'T WANT MULTIPLE ENDINGS!?!?

[willow epoch]

I DO WANT THEM!
HOPEFULLY = MULTI ENDINGS!

[gilded beacon]

Phew~.... I thought that you wanted Hornet to die

[raven cove]

How likely is it that Hornet becomes a higher being in one of the endings

Maybe a Silkwyrm

[gilded beacon]

She already is half, but I don't think that bugs can become HB, at least we don't know of

[raven cove]

The Knight becomes a higher being, also half higher being isn’t a thing

[gilded beacon]

She is half Wyrm
And the knight was already void it just needed focus

[vestal swan]

I think pretty likely at least one ending/point in the game has Hornet reach that level

[raven cove]

Void isn’t inherently a higher being, and yes she is half-Wyrm that’s not the same thing

[vestal swan]

Higher being is a status, you are one or you arent

Half isn't a thing

[raven cove]

Yea. Her dad is a higher being, she is not

[vestal swan]

Afawk

[gilded beacon]

So higher being ≠ godlike being?

[sinful nimbus]

That's a different sentence

[vestal swan]

Hb = proper deities
Gods = random bs
In universe

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet can't be considered godlike like the higher beings can

Just because they are so much stronger

[gilded beacon]

So then what makes a Higher Being a Higher Being exactly?

[raven cove]

I think god can be used to mean the same thing as higher being in universe, “born of god and void”, but the Godseekers use a different definition

Also iirc the term higher being is never used like that in universe

[vestal swan]

It can but the usage is messy so I ignore it

[raven cove]

Oh ok

[raven cove]

It’s vague

I think Team Cherry defined it as “those who exist above all others”

But it’s a very broad category so there’s no specific requirements, if you’re a deity you get in basically

[vestal swan]

Basically some super unique and or overpowered ability that isn't something everyone can do.
Control all the void
Create life from your dreams
See the future
Whatever tf WL does
Reside over an entire realm
Etc

[gilded beacon]

But Hornet is half Wyrm right? And if a Wyrm is a higher being wouldn't she be like a demigod kinda thing?

[raven cove]

Sure you can call her a demigod since that’s a generic term, but higher being is quite specific

[vestal swan]

She has not inherited any of their godly traits to our knowledge, just better innate focus. Possibly, we aren't sure she wasn't taught this kinda thing

[gilded beacon]

She seems kinda aware of the God Seekers when you re fight her, if that counts

[raven cove]

We will probably learn more in SS but I think in HK she tells TK they draw their strength from similar source, which mossbag said is PK

I don’t know what else it could be but it seems like she inherited some power from him

[gilded beacon]

It's possible it would make the most sense

[spark valve]

Those are user assigned they don’t mean anything

[vestal swan]

Not really, there's others who notice things and other similar feats amongst weak psychics already

So it def doesn't come off as a unique superpower

[gilded beacon]

We'll probably learn more in SS

[terse wadi]

She might have some amount of wyrm foresight or else idk how else she knows to be at black egg after VH

[raven cove]

I don’t think that’s very sensible

[vestal swan]

She's watching TK

After hornet 2 she's there to help where she can but is undecided about entering the temple

[raven cove]

weapon is right she probably inherited some vague focus related thingy from him but we can’t claim anything when we don’t even know what powers PK has to begin with

It’s possible she learned all of the stuff she does in SS

[terse wadi]

Lmao imagine calling powrdered weapon, big funny

[spark valve]

The vague focus related thing would be soul power

[vestal swan]

She could potentially already have HB qualifiers we don't know about yet, but we'll have to wait

[gilded beacon]

She can also manipulate soul thru silk, but that's more likely a weaver thing

[vestal swan]

Well it's not a prequel so no she's not gonna learn everything there

[midnight reef]

That'd be a bit silly

[terse wadi]

I would be surprised if she doesn't ascened to godhood by the end of the game if she isn't already

[midnight reef]

If its a prequel and she just... forgets all the tools and abilities she learns in Pharloom for reasons

[vestal swan]

Weaver training almost def taught her some stuff but we don't know the extent

[raven cove]

I think it would be a bit lazy they already did that in HK

[gilded beacon]

Lobotomy

[raven cove]

Hornet doesn’t have to reach TK’s level to be interesting

[spark valve]

It would also be silly for it to be a prequel and have her explicitly be regaining powers not learning new shit

[terse wadi]

It's not like it's an original concept

[vestal swan]

That's what the pins are for

[midnight reef]

yeah

[raven cove]

Sure but it’s specifically one they’ve already done before

[gilded beacon]

Everything makes sense

[terse wadi]

Doesn't she get wings for double jump[ guess she rips those off

[raven cove]

Hornet doesn’t have wings like Vessels

[midnight reef]

if I had to guess the wings are a tool

[raven cove]

Spider genes maybe

[terse wadi]

Through VH, it could be tapping into innate HB abilities she might have in SS

[gilded beacon]

I would also rio my wings if they came out of my ass

[midnight reef]

which would be a bit odd, but... its not like Hornet lacks movement options

[spark valve]

That’s not how vh works

[terse wadi]

Movement abilities in metroidvanias are always permanant

[terse wadi]

It was just to illustrate that hornet could do things differently ik

[raven cove]

Those innate “HB abilities” are abilities TK also has

TC already said Hornet’s Bind and Vessel Focus are similar in nature, but Focus doesn’t make you a HB

[midnight reef]

I'd propose that its the funny green wreath think with white petals

[raven cove]

Or “soul manipulation” if Tammo is to be trusted

[midnight reef]

I dont think we've seen Hornet use the double jump without it equiped, but we've never seen the double jump until now lol

[terse wadi]

Movement tools would be shit like grapple, not things that literally fuse to her body

[midnight reef]

we dont know if the wings are fused to her body

[terse wadi]

Tell me what inate abilties TK inherits from wyrm or root TK doesn't have foresight or beacon

[raven cove]

neither does hornet lol

[terse wadi]

that's not how wings work

[raven cove]

you can make a better argument for TK having foresight than Hornet if anything but I digress

they both inherited focus related powers, or soul manipulation if you want to go the extra step

[midnight reef]

its a world with magic

[terse wadi]

Why? cause it came back? that's because THK's seal was weaking and Radiances roar

[terse wadi]

Wings have worked like wings as far as we've seen in this franchise

[midnight reef]

and as far as we've seen, Hornet doesnt normally have wings

[terse wadi]

Neither do TK

[raven cove]

no, p4 cutscene, but I’m not going to make that argument because I don’t agree with it

[midnight reef]

They do, their cloak

their cloak isnt a peice of clothing, as with hornet, its their wings

[tawdry flare]

are those wings until they get mothwing cloak

[raven cove]

in any case hornet doesn’t inherit foresight or beacon either unless SS just hands her those powers which would be lame imo

[terse wadi]

Monarch wings is something they specifically have to fuse with, their cloak does not have wings in it

[midnight reef]

They arent functional until the monarch wings bind to the cloak

[vestal swan]

Okay here's a crazy one, all of the vessels got a tiny piece of the foresight and the P4 cutscene is all of them using it together

[tawdry flare]

okay hold on do we need to post naked hornet sprite

[midnight reef]

Their cloak is the wings

[tawdry flare]

hornet's cloak is definitely not part of her

[vestal swan]

Hornet does not have wings???

Her cloak is made of silk

[raven cove]

hornet is wearing clothing

[vestal swan]

I'm confused what the hell are you going on about

[terse wadi]

We're talking about the wings double jump in the trailr

[raven cove]

vessel cloaks were actual wings

[midnight reef]

I suggested that hornets double jump wings are possibly a tool

[tawdry flare]

hold on im starting a steel soul run let me double check this

[vestal swan]

I don't think she's suddenly going to sprout wings, TK Incorporated things into its body because it is basically a zombie with black Jello living inside of it, the body could not have whiplash like the soul sanctum experiments so just shoving stuff in there worked

[gilded beacon]

Those are actually monass wings

[edgy stone]

Itd be interesting if hornet was genetically weirder than what we can assume

[raven cove]

wyrm genes are probably weird

[edgy stone]

The pale king is basically a mimicry of bugs I wouldnt be surprised if his children had weird genetic shit that happens overtime

[midnight reef]

this one that I put a red box around, as I dont think we've seen the wings used without this tool equiped

But we've also almost never seen the wings used

[raven cove]

at least hornet has normal eyes

[spark valve]

I think it would be very weird to make double jump a tool

[midnight reef]

Yeah, but you said the same about Hornet having acess to one spell at a time, no? XD

[terse wadi]

Okay, lore reasons aside, movement upgrades need to be used to get around locking behind needing to use a tool cramps the playstyle of the genre

[raven cove]

I don’t think it’s a tool and it’s plausibly still some sort of magic thingy even if Hornet doesn’t have biological wings like Vessels do

[gilded beacon]

Plus the other half of their kids genes are root genes

[midnight reef]

Hornet has a ton of verticle movement options already

[raven cove]

Silk wings idk

[spark valve]

One is way moreso than the other and not really that was contingent on things being used for progression

[spark valve]

She doesn’t like at all

She has a ton of horizontal movement but nothing in base kit that gives height like that

[midnight reef]

fair

[raven cove]

Every MV ever has a double jump she’s going to have a double jump and it’s going to be permanent

[tawdry flare]

she has wall jump and ledge grab,,, i guess....

[weak surge]

[spark valve]

Double jump being a tool would basically just mean permanently having fewer tool slots that would be flagrantly overpowered

[gilded beacon]

She only gains Vertical height by climbing walls and double jump

[midnight reef]

And a dash while wall grabbing

[vestal swan]

Wings made of flea pelts

[raven cove]

It’s probably some silk powerup

[gilded beacon]

Again, only in walls

[tawdry flare]

it looks more like fleas

[spark valve]

and it would create a limbo where tc can't actually design combat encounterss expecting a double jump but you will always have a double jump realistically which is weird

[gentle aspen]

soul manip
probably focus
wings (in the case of vessels they’re not functional unless given monarch wings but still)

[raven cove]

wings aren’t a power

[terse wadi]

Okay, wait PK has monarch wings in WD dream I think, mayhaps it's innate to PK's children but the unlock of them is conditional

[raven cove]

focus and soul manip are the same thing

nice one item list

[vestal swan]

It's not soul manip either they don't have free control over it

[spark valve]

vessels inherit the wing structures but hornet didn't

[vestal swan]

Because flying spiders are the devil

[terse wadi]

I can be your angle or yuor devil

[edgy stone]

From what we know hornet is weirdly plain compared to her parents

[gilded beacon]

Why not both? I like neutral spiders

[gentle aspen]

yeah they are

[edgy stone]

She didnt inherent many of eithers design traits

[raven cove]

she’s not that plain have you seen her dad

[gilded beacon]

Probably it comes from dad's genetics

[spark valve]

she inherited her father's body type just not his wings

[raven cove]

she inherited pk’s stature and shell colour the latter of which is his most defining trait and she inherited herrah’s head and eye shape

[sinful nimbus]

I think her wings were trimmed

[vestal swan]

Ehhhhhh

Why would anybody do that

[sinful nimbus]

Fashion

[vestal swan]

That's an incredibly stupid reason

[sinful nimbus]

Can't have a cloak underneath your other cloak

[vestal swan]

Nah she doesn't have that worm slouch

[tawdry flare]

Have you considered that PK is incredibly stupid

[vestal swan]

Oh he definitely is

[sinful nimbus]

PK didn't raise hornet that would've been the weavers

[vestal swan]

But don't think he would have cared or poked his nose in to take the wings off of his bastard child

[terse wadi]

I could see it from a societal standpoint of hornet standing out too much in deepnest but that's jsust me playing devils avocado

[tawdry flare]

Oh my bad

Have you considered that the Weavers are incredibly stupid

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway the wings wouldn't have done anything so I see little reason why trimming them would be stupid

[spark valve]

I mean she's royalty idk why this would be an issue

[vestal swan]

They're one of the smartest groups so no

[terse wadi]

Yeah they fucked off when things got bad

[raven cove]

Hornet also already stands out

[gentle aspen]

“Smartest groups”
“Abandoned all their children to rot and die”

[edgy stone]

Weavers are evil I think that explains everything

[vestal swan]

Well they left way too late but, I mean that they designed a seal do a lot of shit with silk and are not beacon dependent

[raven cove]

Her shell colour is very unnatural especially for deepnest

[vestal swan]

I mean it's not like they could undo the infection

[spark valve]

I mean that was smart

[raven cove]

yes

almost as smart as the vessel project

[lapis creek]

can you even be in the running for the smartest group if you're all either infected or gone

[gentle aspen]

it would’ve been smarter to take them out of the range of rad to cure them duh

[gilded beacon]

Maybe the PK didn't wanted the people to discover his affair with Herra

[vestal swan]

There's no merit for that idea working

[lapis creek]

dont mantises and shamans compete alone

[gentle aspen]

He’s their god king they don’t give a shit

[raven cove]

you can’t cure the infection like that

[gentle aspen]

The shamans are all dead as hell

[lapis creek]

actually the shamans are all fucked too

[terse wadi]

It's pretty public knowledge

[gentle aspen]

except like one

[vestal swan]

I think it would be more likely that if you try to drag somebody away from the infection while they're infected they would just explode

[raven cove]

Once you get infected you’re either dead or you’re dead

[sinful nimbus]

'Affair'

[terse wadi]

More like a business tranaction

[vestal swan]

Hornet wasn't a secret

[gentle aspen]

Minor spelling mistake

[raven cove]

(his wife knew about and was fine with it)

[terse wadi]

I have large fingers, leave me be

[raven cove]

Also it wasn’t a bad deal

[edgy stone]

The pale king did not have relations with that woman in the pale palace

[raven cove]

Well it was probably in Deepnest so yes

[gentle aspen]

and a small brain apparently

[raven cove]

I don’t think Herrah would be invited to WP

[terse wadi]

Silence

I'm just too lazy to correct when I'm typing fast

[edgy stone]

Oh I swore clinton ended that sentence in thr oval office

Apparently he didnt

[terse wadi]

*Becomes President "make it octagonal"

I really hope the slapping Nuu animation isn't exclusive to slapping Nuu

In fact I hope it's a button press

[river bison]

It's too good of an animation to be used only once

[wispy pebble]

@fast pilot i cant type int hat channel for some odd reason

[fast pilot]

What

[wispy pebble]

21 min slowmode, but it just does confetti and says available in 0 hours 0 min and 0 seconds

[fast pilot]

How 😭

[wispy pebble]

i have no idea

[fast pilot]

Oh okkk thx

[edgy nebula]

quick!! release silksong!!

[wispy pebble]

bro what my slowmode is now 11 hours

nevermind it was because i was changing my timezone

discord is weird

[raven condor]

Alright boiz, who be winning.

[terse wadi]

TK

[blissful harbor]

tk no diffs

[terse wadi]

Technically the robot wins by default

TK can't get to Pharloom

He's dead or sealed in pretty much every ending

[vestal swan]

In two of the endings they have a body that could slap fight the Kaiju buster robot

[faint pelican]

I mean transitively

knight beats hornet
hornet beats this thing
therefore knight probably beats this thing

[terse wadi]

Assuming SL can get to Pharloom

[vestal swan]

As long as there's no light bulbs in between countries

Or if it can find something to shove all that void into and walk over there

(dads wyrm corpse)

[terse wadi]

The latter seems more likely (it'd get lost)

[faint pelican]

gotta make the assumption that the fight does happen, even if it couldnt in world

[terse wadi]

But you see, the outcome is obvious

And boring

It's much funnier to imagine SL looking at a map

Now that I think about it

How tf the cultists find Hallownest

I know they'd know how to get back

But how'd the3y get here

[vestal swan]

Gps

[terse wadi]

Show me the bug GPS

I'd sooner believe they have some magic mumbo jumbo to hone in on hornet then bug gps especially in this franchise

[magic isle]

We already have lore for this or is this speculation?

[mighty void]

y'all think the grimm troupe will be in Silksong?

unless I'm misremembering they feed of off the sorrow and despair of dying kingdoms right?
which is why they are in hallownest to begin with?

[terse wadi]

no

[terse wadi]

dead kingdoms

Not dying, nor is it mentioned that Pharloom is dying

[mighty void]

"return the hope to the kingdom"

[real crater]

Pharloom is not a dead Kingdom it actually has people in it compared to hallownest

[terse wadi]

That just means the people are depresssed

[mighty void]

depression dying potato tomato

good point tho

[real crater]

What those are very different

[terse wadi]

While some depressed people might conflate it

No

Even if it was dying, dying is not dead

[mighty void]

i would expect them to behave like harpies waiting on it's pret but yeah now that you say it i doubt they'd appear

[terse wadi]

Nah it needs to be a rotting corpse

[mighty void]

is that how you spell it the ugly ass bald birds in deserts

[terse wadi]

Buzzards

or vultures

[real crater]

Also they don't come by themselves u have to actually summon them using a ritual

[mighty void]

yes vultures

[terse wadi]

Harpies are mythologcial creatures

[viscid ridge]

Lmao what are we talking about?

[high violet]

i wonder how her final nail upgrade is gonna look

[real crater]

probably silk based maybe silk infused needle??

[high violet]

that would be cool

[real crater]

or maybe song forged silk infused needle

[rocky flare]

probably close to this visually

[wanton eagle]

I don't think it makes sense to put her face and some wings on her needle?

[rocky flare]

no i meant like the texture is gonna look like that

[wanton eagle]

Wdym?

[real crater]

Like how the texture of the needle sprite will when it's fully upgraded

[open moat]

pure needle...

[rocky flare]

they said they wonder how it’s gonna look and i sent a pic of a shiny clean steel badge idk what else there is to explain

[opal beacon]

It doesn't look like that. Or it is?

[opal beacon]

Coiled needle goes hard

[high violet]

thats from the latest demo

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, hope we get some of that pure nail aesthetic, would look so cool

[quartz salmon]

surely one of the stages is gilded

[vernal crest]

maybe royal needle instead of pure because shes a princess (im cooking (im not))

[real crater]

Not really sure she is a princess and recognized for it but it doesn't really reflect her imo a better option might be the hunters needle

[opal beacon]

Omg, it looks so detailed

[spark valve]

The weavers would recognize her as a princess but probably nobody else

Or at least they’d be the only ones that position would mean much to

[real crater]

Yeah this isn't hallownest where hornet has a right in pharloom she's basically a nobody with a big sword

[spark valve]

I can’t believe the citadel would just violate diplomatic immunity and imprison a foreign dignitary

[real crater]

I mean the foreign power doesn't exist and pharloom would have to recognize hallownest along with a embassy

[spark valve]

She’s still the princess (or maybe queen now I guess) of like a few dozen spiders in deepnest

[real crater]

I mean deepnest was never a part of hallownest

[spark valve]

yeah but that's where she would actually be a political figure

she's the king's kid but it's not like she would've had any involvement with the kingdom in that capacity

[real crater]

Def not since she was a gift to herrah i wonder if she even met the pale king

[spark valve]

wouldn't be surprised if she hadn't, seems like she's met WL but that could easily have been during her travels in hallownest after the kingdom fell (at which point pk would not be around)

[real crater]

Can hornet get past void gates?

[spark valve]

I mean cornifer and cloth both get into queen's gardens somehow

it's your classic metroidvania "they probably used some other path"

[real crater]

But white lady is directly behind a void gates and we never see anyone cross those I mean u can get into qg without shade dash as the knight I was saying the traitor lord arena area

[spark valve]

cloth gets in, as do all the mantises and TL himself

[real crater]

Ig still mhhh to think about

[spark valve]

how npcs get places is basically always handwaved and it seems plenty reasonable that hornet could get anywhere they could

[real crater]

I know but doesn't mean I have to like it

[viscid ridge]

Npcs have acces to the 3rd dimension, our character doesn't 😞

[gentle aspen]

doors

[gilded beacon]

What about the Junk Pit - Nailsmith shortcut?

[vestal swan]

What

[gilded beacon]

That room breaks the whole map, doesn't it?

[vestal swan]

I don't remember what room you're talking about

[gilded beacon]

The one at the upper right side of the Junk Pile room

You enter through a door and exit through a normal transition

[vestal swan]

[real crater]

The shortcut to nailsmith from godseekers?

[gilded beacon]

It breaks the whole map, that room can't exist without going through other rooms

[gilded beacon]

Yes, that one

[vestal swan]

Does anybody have a clip cuz I still can't think of what the hell you're talking about

[gilded beacon]

Is the same room where you find the Fluke Hermit

Here's the location

[vestal swan]

I'm going to have to boot up the game and go look at it because I don't understand the problem

[gilded beacon]

The thing is that for this room to go up to the nailsmith it would have to go through another room

[eternal gazelle]

Very simple, the hole that you jump into in the nailsmith room rotates your body 90 degrees during the screen transition

[supple blade]

duh

some people smh

[flat hearth]

5 days brothers

[coral edge]

Is Hornet lesb?

[spark valve]

if wikipedia says that it's wrong

it's not an official source

[buoyant hollow]

We gonna chill and wait for the game to release

[willow epoch]

says sequel

[safe kettle]

inspect button moment

[willow epoch]

Wellll...

[flat totem]

Sequel in the sense that it comes out after 2017 😭 I agree it’s a sequel too, but Wiki doesnt know jack— the game isn’t out yet.

[real crater]

It's not a narrative sequel

It's a sequel of the hollow knight world

[flat totem]

Well regardless 🤷🏽‍♂️ we just don’t know yet 😭 and Wiki isn’t TC

[real crater]

Also wikipedia is not an official source

[safe kettle]

the things that are "true" are the things that the majority of people consider true

[sinful nimbus]

Please stop using unreliable, unofficial sources (Wikipedia) and use the real ones (Hollow Knight Fandom wiki)

[supple blade]

always check the sources in wikipedia

and read those instead of the page

this allows you to form your own opinion through your own "research"

[real crater]

What

[sinful nimbus]

Wikipedia is a secondary source I think its fine to read

[high violet]

wikipedia only has truthful information and facts

[quartz salmon]

yeah lets just pretend that hornet will somehow forget her harpoon/tools/huge retractable wings/advanced silk magic returning to hallownest for the events of the first game

[real crater]

I am not advocating for the prequel theory i am just saying wikipedia is not the best source of lore for a unreleased game

[quartz salmon]

yeah i totally agree

just talking to people who believe its a prequel

[real crater]

I mean it could be a prequel the prequel delusion train is tempting

[vestal swan]

No

[flat totem]

Well this isn’t fair because the developers didn’t have silksong in mind at the time of creating the initial game— but it could be that they wanted to explore that once they finished.

I am a sequel believer though.

[quartz salmon]

we already have a reason as to why hornet is weak and has no toolin silksong the cage sapped her power

[real crater]

Also the forge daughter (iirc) dialogue indicates that hornet has actually lost her tools ie the ones she fights the knight with

[flat totem]

How do you know that? Is that why she’s having those panic attacks in the demo

[real crater]

Tc said that hornets strength got sapped by the orb she was being carried in

[spark valve]

This is insanely stupid

Moronic in a genuinely profound sense

[flat totem]

Disagree- but I think he was also being satirical

[real crater]

Yeah my guess as well

[flat totem]

We appeal to expertise in a lot of our fields of study. Things we cannot prove ourselves because we don’t have the time to go about and confirm for ourselves. So if a consensus of experts deems it true, then we tend to believe it to be true as well.

[spark valve]

The Wikipedia page doesn’t even say that they were just lying

[spark valve]

That is not what truth means

Truth isn’t what you have justification for truth is what is

(And most people believing something is not justification for it being true)

[flat totem]

Oh I wasn’t arguing about what truth is. I’m just saying: We do tend to believe what the consensus believes 😭 and we make that true to ourselves

[real crater]

Anyways what are ur thoughts on the types of quests in silksong

[flat totem]

Love em but I hope they dont get repetitive

[runic musk]

Hope they have a lot of variety

[real crater]

I don't think they will go in the ac black flag design philosophy

[deft cape]

i hope it's a sequel because we were left with a kind of an open ending when we finish the Gods DLC ending

[spark valve]

That ending isn’t really very open

[deft cape]

the one where hornet appears and there is a monster in front

i just wanna know what the heck happens next

[spark valve]

Not a monster it’s the hollow knight

[real crater]

That's not the godhome ending

[deft cape]

i know

[sinful nimbus]

Imo the average quest will be
Buy 10 mossberry brews
Eat at Jim's canteen for a stat boost
Grab followers to fight with you (Sherma, Garmond, Shakra, etc)
Hunt enemy (Dustroach or something)
Claim rewards

[real crater]

I don't think buying things will be a quest more like gathering them for something I don't see it being so 1 dimensional

[sinful nimbus]

No you buy the mossberry brews before the quest for healing

[spark valve]

(That was a monster hunter reference)

[runic musk]

Okay but grabbing an ally would be nice we didnt really get any in HK besides a scripted fight and a potential ally if you visited them enough

The former literally being absent in Godhome lo

[real crater]

Yeah we saw allies fighting with us during battles in trailer

[sinful nimbus]

She was also useless

[real crater]

I mean its traitor lord u don't really need help

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong allies will be peak and you can level them up or wh atever i didn't really engage with the MH follower system that much

[deft cape]

silksong allies that are not just like the little charm bugs?

[real crater]

Yeah there is a shot where u can see like npcs fighting with hornet

[deft cape]

hmm, hopefully it is more interactive

[spark valve]

I don’t think ss will have a partner system or that it would work very well if it did

[deft cape]

like cooperative? i doubt so

[runic musk]

I just want friendlies to be more prominent

[spark valve]

Making the follow behavior work outside of like specific rooms selected and designed with their movement in mind would be rough

[real crater]

like here u can see hornet fighting with a npc

[sinful nimbus]

two npcs smh

[real crater]

I think it will only for quests and such

[spark valve]

Probably

Though I do think the garmond stuff might be on your first run through greymoor with you fighting your way to bellhart

[real crater]

Yeah designing all rooms to fit with someone like huntress gonna be tough

[deft cape]

i can see it more for a quest like quirrel's jellyfish fight

[real crater]

Maybe a quest to clear the way to there

[spark valve]

It’s not even size it’s navigating platforming and shit without getting stuck or falling too far behind

[sinful nimbus]

Bellhart has been captured by the wretched bird-folk and must be liberated

[rough sandal]

I want Silksong to be related to the Silk Route

Like it is revealed at the end that pharloom is just a terrarium from where Chinese people source silk

[real crater]

I mean they can always do the horse tech and have it just spawn and respawn but yeah a thing like that perma not gonna work

[rough sandal]

It's not going to happen but it's a fun concept

[spark valve]

Sure they could tether them or do something like that but that would kind of look awkward without as much ability to do camera trickery due to the 2d perspective

[deft cape]

i always had the feeling hornet has been kidnapped to the other kingdom because of her silk

[real crater]

Yeah but as likely as another silksong delay

[rough sandal]

We can always imagine

Team Cherry has said in the past that they don't want to give too much information on the games because they don't want to ruin theories and headcanons

If the game allows it I want to believe that

[real crater]

Tc wants us to have to suffer in hk lore and ss lore

[rough sandal]

That too

Like it's a Song of Silk

[runic musk]

When the game launches I'm probably gonna vanish from this channel for a good few days or a week or two however long it takes for me to make substantial progress.

[rough sandal]

That sounds like an epic poem or smth

It's clearly a Chinese poem about bugs making silk

duh

[deft cape]

i guess also to avoid spoiling the whole plot of silksong, as for hk well... i think it is good as it is (except i really want to know what's up with the godhome endings omg)

i just only hope silksong does have a connection with hollow knight's events

[rough sandal]

It definitely should be connected to hk I think, but since it's another kingdom entirely it may not be much

But like being a game about Hornet one would expect lore from her you know

[runic musk]

I feel at most some references and not too much more.

[deft cape]

well, hey, maybe we just learn how both kingdoms had diplomatic connections before hallownest died

[rough sandal]

Like the Lace theme I don't know if you've realized but it's pretty much a remix of Hornet's theme

the implications...

[rough sandal]

Hel yea diplomacy

I want to see the Hallownest embassy in Pharloom

[vestal swan]

As far as we know they didn't, one tribe moved in that was from the other region.

[quartz salmon]

IGN uploaded 4k 60fps recordings of the launch version of the demo if anyone wants to see

this game is so beautiful im blown away by every detail even in this little demo

this is the inventory in the deep docks section

this is what the skill under the spool is called

and the crest tab

[gilded beacon]

So this will be the Mothwing cloak equivalent

But instead of stoping after dashing you keep running afterwards

[real crater]

it seems this crest allows 5 tools i hope we can upgrade that capacity

[spark valve]

It looks like it allows 3 currently with 6 max. That’s probably all of them

[quartz salmon]

lmao the pose

[real crater]

the drama drips off that one def a theater kid

[spark valve]

I don’t think crests have their own number of tool slots

[real crater]

could be atleast i hop we can upgrade that capacity

also some tools might take more tham 1 slot

[spark valve]

I doubt it

[real crater]

i doubt ur doubt

[flat hearth]

Bro this mentality is why we are becoming a brain rotted society that just says "@grok is this true??"

[quartz salmon]

the bell rooms that we have to ring and they open the way while providing a bench remind me of karma gates from rain world

not saying they function like that they room just reminfs me of that

[safe kettle]

first of all, speak for urself, and second of all that ain't a mentality

[flat hearth]

Yes it is you literally thought it that's part of your mentality

Also I use critical thinking skills on a regular basis so I don't really have to worry about it

[safe kettle]

it aint really, it's kinda just how the world works

[flat hearth]

Just because a bunch of people believe something that isn't true, doesn't make it true. That's a psychological phenominon for sure but it doesn't make it true

[safe kettle]

like all the facts that u think are true are what society decided are true or are logically based on facts that society thinks are true

[spark valve]

You’re very stupid

When geocentrism was the prevalent belief was it true

[real crater]

i mean its true in some places sure where u dont have evidence but when talking about lore not at all \

[safe kettle]

if you asked that at the time when it was considered true it would be true

wait no

[spark valve]

You’re insane and I hope you learn someday that reality exists

[safe kettle]

i thought that was the thing where the solar system revolves around the earth

[flat hearth]

That is what it is...

[spark valve]

Which you believe was true at one point

[safe kettle]

because truth is relative

[spark valve]

It is not

[sinful nimbus]

[flat hearth]

No, belief is relative maybe. Truth is not

[spark valve]

Hey guys do we all agree truth is whether something is consistent with reality

[real crater]

if truth is relative then its the forefather buried in earth

[safe kettle]

you can believe some things now that are mostly believed by all but in the future people would be making fun of you for believeing that

[sinful nimbus]

What's your point

[flat hearth]

Yes so it was never true

[real crater]

thats called a opnion

[spark valve]

You don’t know what truth is lmao

[safe kettle]

but now you think that is true

[sinful nimbus]

But its not

[real crater]

shes confusing truth with opnion

[safe kettle]

but you do think it's true

[sinful nimbus]

But its not

[safe kettle]

how can you know?

[sinful nimbus]

So what you're saying is false...

[real crater]

i love profound bullshit man also not apporopriate for lore channel

[sinful nimbus]

You claimed that some of the stuff we believe now will be proven false later I'm just entertaining the notion

Are you asking for proof of your own statement?

[midnight zinc]

Can you give some examples?

[safe kettle]

also, for who did i even put those quote sign things

[sinful nimbus]

Most people used to believe urine was sterile for a long time

[spark valve]

What people think is true doesn’t determine what is true

People attempt to mold beliefs to reflect what is true (or at least smart people do) but they’re different things

[real crater]

people can we talk about lore like if hornet will descend lower than moss grotto

[midnight zinc]

Yes she will. Next question.

[flat hearth]

I hope theres some secret areas in the basement

[real crater]

but how deep and why

[midnight zinc]

Very deep, because why wouldn’t she

[flat hearth]

As deep as phsyically possible. It's where the voices are coming from

[midnight zinc]

She’s going to travel so deep that she’ll come out on the other side of the globe and end up in the abyss in Hallownest

[sinful nimbus]

Then she recruits shade lord as an ally and the Citadel immediately dies

Seems like good storytelling

[midnight zinc]

And then everyone clapped

[flat hearth]

Like slow clap into raging applause type thing?

[real crater]

i think this theory is banned

[midnight zinc]

Huh I wonder why this question never got answered

[sinful nimbus]

I gave one 🥹

[safe kettle]

i gotta say one last thing i swear

[spark valve]

You really don’t

[sinful nimbus]

Its true that our knowledge grows over time

[safe kettle]

u all kinda misunderstood what i said cuz i didn't mean truth as in like the absolute truth

that's all

[sinful nimbus]

Sounds like you miscommunicated then

[spark valve]

It’s a bullshit equivocation at best

[deft cape]

this would be crazy

[real crater]

also not possible

[deft cape]

the map that was shown in the trailer does seem much bigger than hk's

[drifting igloo]

silksong is a sequel, but which HK ending is the TRUE ENDING, the one which story's happened according to SS?

[real crater]

all endings allow for ss to happen

[drifting igloo]

wrong

[spark valve]

Darsh is correct

[real crater]

?tag info jokerpsa

[drifting igloo]

sealed siblings don't

[gleaming basin]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[real crater]

predicted it less goooooooo

[spark valve]

crazy called shot surely this doesn’t happen constantly

[real crater]

not at all once in a lifetime opportuinty

[drifting igloo]

what about the delicate flower ending, right after it hornet probably fought the PV/HK but uninfected?

[spark valve]

She doesn’t do that

[real crater]

why would hornet fight pk?

[drifting igloo]

because he broke free

[spark valve]

And?

[real crater]

why would thk fight his half sister

[sinful nimbus]

I mean even if she did beat THK up it wouldn't matter to Silksong

[drifting igloo]

she literrally prepares for fight, even PV prepared his nail

[spark valve]

She’s startled so she turns around and THK doesn’t prepare for combat

[real crater]

not really just prepares for combat she doesnt know its thk

[drifting igloo]

also, how did she get trapped by those guys in the teaser?

[spark valve]

Doesn’t really matter

[sinful nimbus]

Big cage

[drifting igloo]

yes he does

[spark valve]

No it doesn’t

[sinful nimbus]

You really just need a magical cage and some paper to catch a spider

[drifting igloo]

yes

[spark valve]

It’s leaning on its nail because it can’t stand upright and it shifts its weight to turn towards her

[drifting igloo]

just look at the ending animation

[spark valve]

It’s not in a combat stance it’s using its sword as a cane

[drifting igloo]

yes but when he sees her he holds it hardly

[spark valve]

.

[drifting igloo]

if i recall correctly

[spark valve]

It puts weight on it when it adjusts its position

[drifting igloo]

YEH HE DOES, EVEN THE SONG HAD SUSPENSE IN IT

[spark valve]

It would also be totally out of character for it to attack her

[drifting igloo]

dude please watch that ending and u'll understand what i mean

[spark valve]

The song is bad the cutscene is bad the framing is bad

[drifting igloo]

he is HOLLOW, he doesn't have FEELINGS

[spark valve]

That’s not remotely true

[real crater]

dude the entire reason the seal failed is cause he is not hollow due to pale king having feelings for thk as a parent

[sinful nimbus]

If it was pure the game wouldn't have happened

[spark valve]

That’s uh iffy and not totally accurate but for the current conversation yeah it’s not pure

[drifting igloo]

in the DF ending, we ddestroy the radiance, and the infection dissapears, the proof is that the infected roots dies, and THK gets out of the egg, and seems totally healthy

[sinful nimbus]

Totally healthy is a stretch

[drifting igloo]

i mean that he is not infected anymore

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[spark valve]

Which is explicitly greatly empowering it because it’s physically weakened

[drifting igloo]

maybe that's the true ending, and hornet does win in the fight but she was weak, and those guys came and took the opportunity to,capture them

[spark valve]

That would be ass and fortunately isn’t true

[drifting igloo]

why would it be week

[drifting igloo]

just a theory

[spark valve]

Because infection has severely damaged its shell

[drifting igloo]

im pretty sure the knight can do crazy things at 1 mask left

[spark valve]

It isn’t nearly as injured as thk is

[drifting igloo]

good point

but they probably fought

[spark valve]

no, they didn't

[real crater]

Thk is at like .1 mask

[drifting igloo]

WHY WOULDN'T THEY

[drifting igloo]

not really

[spark valve]

fighting would require both of them to act completely out of character for no reason while one of them is incapable of standing

common sense

[drifting igloo]

one barely thinks, something like "acting out of character" is NOT something in his vocabulary

[spark valve]

that is false

[drifting igloo]

wtf?

[spark valve]

like laughably false the entire point of that character's role in the plot is that that ISN'T true

hollow knight fan play the game challenge

[real crater]

Impossible

[drifting igloo]

THK does not know Hornet, he never met her, but he did meet The Knight, so in his, fight he seems kinda conscious, so if he IS, and saw hornet stands guard, he could act of self defense and fight her

[spark valve]

yes the self defense instinct to while barely alive and not able to really move attack somebody who isn't doing anything and is carrying a weapon

[drifting igloo]

she stands ready to fight so he thought he would attack first

[spark valve]

no she's just surprised because it's suddenly behind her

[real crater]

It's just instinct after living in a hostile environment

[drifting igloo]

also, Hornet cound want to kill THK because who knows what it could do of it went free

[spark valve]

you're just making shit up

[drifting igloo]

no im not

[spark valve]

she has no reason to do that, she has no reason to think it's a risk to leave it alive, there's nothing in character to suggest she would do that

[quartz salmon]

yeah because its a damn void monster 4 times her size that contained the radiance, thats why shes standoffish

but i dont think thk wants to fight, hes just a drained tired bug, leaning on his nail for support, so that he doesnt collapse

[drifting igloo]

she knows he is strong, and she don't know what he thinks, hornet is smart, so she would think also of the safety of the others

[sinful nimbus]

Killing strong people because you don't know what they are thinking isn't very rational

[spark valve]

it's not a threat to the safety of others

[sinful nimbus]

Its also not strong

[vestal swan]

You're ignoring so much to fabricate this event where they're going to fight...

[spark valve]

idk why you're so dedicated to making up bullshit reasons for something to happen that there's no reason to think could happen

[drifting igloo]

its obvious they fought, the song started going hard when they were both on their guard, and he held his nail VERY hardly, ITS IN the ending animation

[vestal swan]

Thk is using it as a cane because their body is fucking wrecked by the infection and they can probably barely stand up

[sinful nimbus]

Why is the guy who can't walk shifting their weight onto the nail

[drifting igloo]

okay, let's say THK and hornet did not fight, what now, what will she do? what will THK do? is he in Hallownest while hornet fight and do shit in farloom?

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[spark valve]

yes

[drifting igloo]

bru 😭

[vestal swan]

Just because you don't know what they're going to do they have to fight? That's asinine reasoning, that's just telling us that's the only scenario you can think of

[quartz salmon]

maybe he collapses into nothingness maybe they talk but theyre not going to fight hes almost dead from tk beating him up, the radiance ravaging his body, and him stabbing himself repeatedly

[drifting igloo]

and what would he do, get to the castle?

[sinful nimbus]

What if TK possesses THK with void heart and makes it kill itself so it can hang out in the abyss

Knightno'd

[vestal swan]

Thk did not fight TK in the event where they walk out of the egg

[drifting igloo]

he do love his father after all

[quartz salmon]

right right my mistake still everything else stands

[drifting igloo]

i also still don't understand how hornet got captured

and why

[spark valve]

how the specifics don't matter, why is one of the mysteries of the game

[vestal swan]

By powerful people with magic obviously

You don't just follow a trail of candy into a magic cage

[real crater]

Hornet got captured by the bugs of citadel and why is for silksong

[rough sandal]

They went "omg its Hornet Silksong" and captured her so they could deliver her to the king

[sharp stirrup]

Maybe hornet got bug depression and went into the cage willingly

[gilded beacon]

Maybe Hornet just followed a trail of bug food and fell in the trap

[foggy fractal]

stew

[quartz salmon]

Ass Jim's stew

[gilded beacon]

Moss Druid stew

The best stew in all of Pharloom

[rough sandal]

She followed Friend's tale (from Deltarune) and she got trapped

[rough sandal]

Yummers

We need a Hollow Knight themed cookbook ASAP

[gilded beacon]

Deltarune mentioned 🔥

[rough sandal]

I need to know what delicacies they were having in the City of Tears

[gilded beacon]

True, can't wait to know how to season the grubs

[bold dock]

ss takes place in pharloom far beyond hallownest , why's the game called hollow knight ?

[rough sandal]

A true [Hollow Knight] fan never speaks ill of [Deltarune]

And viceversa

[gilded beacon]

Take one of those small Baldurs remove the eyes and open it by the bottom in vertical, without damaging the sell, once open stuff it, the stuff can vary, some like moss other with Tikik, it doesn't matter, once stuff, put it in the oven at high heat, the idea is that the outside turns crusty while the outside is still soft an chewy,
Sharp Baldurs aren't usually stuffed since their meat is already thougher than the normal Bladurs, instead is well seasoned

This is the kinda thing I expect

[gilded beacon]

It's the franchise game

[rough sandal]

They probably taste like yummy shrimp yum yum

[rough sandal]

Yes

[gilded beacon]

Absolutely delicious in fact

[rough sandal]

But like actual cookbook that you can buy and make real food with