sk-lore

[edgy nebula]

im guessing theyll be lategame unlocks

[blissful harbor]

cause other spiders show it’s definitely possible

but like
also ew

[edgy stone]

Only issue is that they never show it being fake even in death or in attack

[spark valve]

I mean either way the body shape is pretty different from the silksong boss

[blissful harbor]

i don’t actually think that thing is a weaver

it’s a spider sure, maybe one inspired by them

[edgy stone]

Surely well see a daddy long legs right?

[high violet]

this thing was called the Weaver Mage in the game files and ive always wondered what kind of attacks it did

[real crater]

Some silk based ability

[spark valve]

Probably stuff like hornet’s attacks

[edgy nebula]

itd be cool

[edgy stone]

When I think of a spider I think about them as well

[edgy nebula]

well daddy long legs they arent spiders so it wouldnt be connected to the weavers i dont think

[edgy stone]

They are a spider technically

Pholcidae is their academic name with cellar spider as their uniform

[edgy nebula]

well which daddy long legs are you talking about

i assumed harvestmen

[edgy stone]

I honestly dont know

[edgy nebula]

i think a harvestmen boss/npc would be cool as a red herring

you go up to one thinking weaver and then the theory is immediately disproved

[edgy stone]

I uhh frankly dont know which one is common in Washington state

[foggy fractal]

does any spider in this hk have 8 legs wtf oh Herrah does

[blissful harbor]

i think devouts
they might have more than 8 though

[edgy stone]

I do think a daddy long legs would be a great addition in general though

[edgy nebula]

devouts have 8 unless you count the big knifes they use to attack

[high violet]

i wish Fandom was taken down its annoying how its always the first wiki that pops ujp when you search up stuff

[edgy stone]

Theres always been the thing of you shouldnt kill a long legs because they'll kill the spiders for you

[edgy nebula]

nevermind they have 14

[edgy stone]

When I think of a spidefs predator I think of long legs

[blissful harbor]

lmao i knew it was more

[edgy nebula]

8 normal legs, two legs hidden behind their mask, and two modified legs which they use as the mask

4 legs hidden behind the mask my bad

[blissful harbor]

TC really be stretching the definition of a spider sometimes

[foggy fractal]

TC be stretching the definition of everything

[blissful harbor]

midwife is also a spider

[edgy stone]

Anything with 8 or more legs has a classification right?

More than 10 are myriapods

So this guy is closer to a centipede than a spider if he has 14 legs

[edgy nebula]

are there any more real topics to talk about relating to silksong bosses

earlier today there was a sharpe discussion that lasted awhile but every other discussion after that was quite short

[foggy fractal]

Last Judge 🤑

why is he the last ? who is he judging !

[real crater]

He is probably the last judge to keep his mind intact and probably judging the pilgrims

[visual glacier]

does he have a visible asshole🤔🤔

[soft egret]

What do you even talk about in ss lore??

[edgy stone]

I just noticed the fleas dont have spots like the grubs do

So hornet must be told how many flees are gone then as we have no other way to know

[lethal burrow]

how I moderate my discord server is that whenever my server members are getting into an argument that's too intense, I threatened them with the "double uvula" image.

it has worked every time thus far.

I'm starting to think maybe we should have it here as well

[blissful harbor]

the caravan is traveling iirc, kinda hard for them to have spots since it seems like the recused ones become part of the background for the caravan

[edgy stone]

Yeah I wonder if we'll have a counter then or just be told each time we see them how many are remaining

[viscid ridge]

What does a double uvula look like??

[blissful harbor]

imo it’s be cool if it was for each region, you first encounter them and they are like “oh yea like 3 of our kids are scattered here” and then fuck off to the next area

[edgy stone]

Thatd be cool but also I feel like a bit too gamey

[lethal burrow]

The picture does exist, but I don't know if you want to see it

[viscid ridge]

Yeah we i brought up the point yesterday that we saw the caravan of fleas outside bellhart in the old trailersz but now they are in a new areaz which we theorized as either being team cherry changing their locationz or they switch places as we explore more of pharloom

[viscid ridge]

Show me cause im very curious

[real crater]

Yes

[blissful harbor]

they’re called a traveling caravan in their description, i thought the idea of them moving around the map was pretty common

[lethal burrow]

are you sure? tho.
You may regret it, it is a thing worthy of being a threat to be given and a punishment

[viscid ridge]

Im built different

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but i always thought they would move only after youve collected all the fleas

[blissful harbor]

actually i’m pretty sure TC called it dirt mouth on wheels before

wtf

[lethal burrow]

i TOLD YOU

you didn't believe me

[blissful harbor]

can you like not, that’s actually disgusting

[viscid ridge]

Idk what im even looking at? Wheres the second one?

[lethal burrow]

I spoiled it for a reason and made it very clear when I was sending

[viscid ridge]

🤣

[real crater]

Can I get it as well

[blissful harbor]

“ah yes see i told you guys i was gonna send something gross therefore it’s ok”

[foggy fractal]

guys let's go back to talking about silksong....

[viscid ridge]

A strange connection ive made is between the leech like bugs area and a material we seem to gather in order to make a tool

Like gimme a sec ill show you

[lethal burrow]

it was asked for explicitly I'm not sure what else I could've done tbh

[foggy fractal]

did you send it here

[real crater]

I hope we get like a hard crafting system something like the witcher 3

[lethal burrow]

I didn't force you to unspoil or anything man

[blissful harbor]

not send it?? use dm??

[lethal burrow]

... OK yes DM's would have been a better idea. Yes you're right actually never mind

[foggy fractal]

plus theres #rules-and-info 🤓

[lethal burrow]

lol

[viscid ridge]

Its not your fault dont worry, if its any consulation, the image really does work 🤣🤣

[lethal burrow]

Anyways, do we think the grim troop will appear again or is that theory dead?

[real crater]

No

I really don't see them bringing grimm troupe back just for the sake of old thing that's the reason sequels are bad bring back old characters when they have no reason to

[tight mirage]

what are we gonna fight the sun?

[viscid ridge]

K so

[lethal burrow]

ye like hornet

[viscid ridge]

We see in order to make some tools we'll need materials other than shards and rosaries, with this particular material that looks like basalt, also seems to make up the entirety of the leech boss room

[drowsy tapir]

Bitterbug?

[edgy nebula]

wooo my internet went out while i was typing but im back

[edgy nebula]

my guess is you can pick up items via breaking structures or you get them from bosses

[spare sedge]

wait, if the final boss (kinda) of hollow knight is THE hollow knight, does that mean the final boss of silksong is THE SILKSONG??????

[edgy nebula]

it would be The Hollow Knight: Silksong

[spare sedge]

wait makes sense cuz in embrace the void the hollow knight meets hornet

[sonic dragon]

So the bugs in pharloom are also dead

[lethal burrow]

team Cherry: "we will account for every ending of the game as equally canon"

The nefarious sealed siblings:

-# ...guys i think silksong might be a prequel.

[high violet]

?tag info jokerpsa

[gleaming basin]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[real crater]

I think since gamescom this tag has been used like 100 times at least

[high violet]

yes

silksong could be a prequel but not for the sealed siblings thing

[lethal burrow]

silksong either acknowledges embrace the void as canon which invalidate the other endings or it ignores the hornet hollow knight meeting which would also be unsatisfying and disappointing

[high violet]

or it could just acknowledge neither

which i feel like is a very funny TC thing to do

[lethal burrow]

How is that possible?

[high violet]

by just not mentioning the events of HK explicitly

[lethal burrow]

That would be the second one which would not be neither

[high violet]

i dont think it "ignoring" hornet and the hollow knight meeting would be unsatisfying, i feel like hornet would have to have some kind of reason to bring it up to the characters she shares dialogue with

[real crater]

I think it will be like dark souls where the games are loosely connected and the endings don't really matter

[lethal burrow]

they can get away with that though, because the games in the trilogy take place at vastly different points in time

[real crater]

So does silksong

[high violet]

for the first game to be mentioned, there would have to probably be something from the first game that hornet directly interacts with in the second game, which could happen

[real crater]

It's not like hornet will just start yapping about hallownest for no reason

[high violet]

yeah

[lethal burrow]

well... I suppose it's possible.

But it would be very.... not great if they didn't offer any sort of explanation of how we got to point a to b

"she is suddenly just fine now go with it" would suck

[high violet]

Oh I remember my time in Hallownest... with the moth and the vessel and the uhh yes yes yap yap

[real crater]

People say they want sequels and do the cardinal sin of putting shit from the previous thing into the sequels for no reason

[rocky flare]

the way she dgaf

[lethal burrow]

(not like we know the Weavers will be relevant)

[real crater]

Why would weavers care about hallownest when pharloom is in shambles

They would care much more about their home than the distant places they used to live at

[lethal burrow]

We don't know that much about the game, but one thing we do know is that it's about hornet finding out the past of the Weavers

[real crater]

The game is about ascending to the top

[lethal burrow]

yes

things can be about multiple things. I thought everyone knew this.

[real crater]

Where is it said the game is about weavers and that the weavers are the main focus

[high violet]

i feel like this is an unproductive discussion, weavers are in the game and the weavers are probably a part of hornets past, its explicitly mentioned that her heritage and past will be explored, its also about ascending to the top

theres lots of topics to go on about

[lethal burrow]

yeah I'll never claimed it was only about the Weavers

But there's certainly a thing that will be somewhat important.

[real crater]

Fair enough but I don't think the weavers care much about hallownest

[high violet]

they prolly dont since they left it

[lethal burrow]

they helped with the seal of binding if they didn't outright make it

[high violet]

i love the concept of weavers tho

[lethal burrow]

Unless you can think of another interpretation for it being in the Weaver's den

[real crater]

What are u talking about

[high violet]

spiders that can write spells n shit with silk, cool af concept

[lethal burrow]

I will grab a screenshot if you haven't seen

[real crater]

I have I just don't remember

[high violet]

i think theyre talking about the seal of binding made of silk in the weavers den which has the same glow as the regular seal of binding

[lethal burrow]

The one on the left is in the Weaver's den secret room

[real crater]

Oh thats like the blueprint pale king used didn't he

[high violet]

yeah, but also its said that weavers made spells and stuff using silk, so i guess its a valid interpretation of the one left in the weavers den

[lethal burrow]

well, from a narrative perspective, I don't know why that would be in their den if they didn't have something to do with it.
They are known to be able to weave spells and shields

[real crater]

Yeah I always thought that was the blueprint pale king used cause I don't think the weavers were strong enough to contain the radiance I always believed it was the pale king who made those

[lethal burrow]

well the seal of binding alone was never the whole plan.

It was with the dreamers and: the crux of it all: the hollow knight

the Weavers "departed for their old home" after the hollow Knight project failed.

I think it can be inferred that they left their old home (almost certainly pharlum) because of whatever weird problem hornet is going to have to deal with.

So they were probably pretty keen on making sure there (then) current home of hallownest remained in a good state.

obviously it didn't though so they made the choice to return home in the end anyways.

[lethal burrow]

it has the hollow Knight on it, I don't think it's an unrelated blueprint they had to have been directly involved in the plan at least a little bit

(note the small notches on the head, so it's not hornet)

[viscid ridge]

I want to desperately be friends with this guy, i literally wish i was as cool as him

[real crater]

That's kratos

[viscid ridge]

This guy solos kratos

Did you know that shovel knight is canonically stronger than kratos

[terse wadi]

Shovel Knight is pretty op

[sonic dragon]

I mean

I don't see how both of them can't be mutually important ( bad king fucked up over pharloom and hornets people so now she must restore pharloom, learn about her past and kill the bad king )

[terse wadi]

I think the term is "They're not mutually exclusive"

[sonic dragon]

Yes sir I just had a huge ass gap

[terse wadi]

All good

[sonic dragon]

I hope that we get the equivalent of grim troupe on pharloom

[terse wadi]

It would have to operate differently because Grimm Troupe feeds on dead kingdoms

[sonic dragon]

Isn't pharloom technically dead

[terse wadi]

Nope

It's certainly not doing great but it's not dead

[sonic dragon]

But it's citizens are all infected

[terse wadi]

Not all also the kingdom still functions, more or less

Plenty of towns with normal bugs

[sonic dragon]

Yeah but according to one of the items the workers in the deep docks seem to have lost their minds a long time ago so idk how to feel about the repetition of themes

I don't want another radience type of infection

[terse wadi]

The haunting imo is puppeteering

[sonic dragon]

So maybe that's why they meant restore the kingdom? Kill the final g and you release all the bugs

[terse wadi]

Well, we get silk from hitting enemies and when they die we see the silk release iirc

[sonic dragon]

But yeah Pharloom seems more vibrant so whoever is in charge of the kingdom rn didn't fuck as much as the pale king

Also doesn't a kingdom need to have a whyrm as it's creator by default?

[spark valve]

no

[bleak citrus]

No I mean the weavers existed before the pale king and had a deep history and culture before they even came to hallownest so

But I guess that’s not a kingdom, although it points to complex thought and awareness without the need for a wyrm’s influence

[sonic dragon]

Hmmm cause I remember in game is started that wyrms created life where they went so I wonder who created the life in pharloom. Did they have a spider king?

[bleak citrus]

I don’t know if wyrms really create life but they change the ecosystem and environment around them so perhaps they do. I thought they embued already existing life around them with a sense of awareness

It’s interesting to think about a spider king of some sort or if the weavers have control in pharloom

We know that pharloom is their original home

Although if the weavers were in control of pharloom then why would they leave to deepnest in the first place

[sonic dragon]

Tho TBF radiance did give the moth tribe awareness and same with the snaio for it's people

[midnight zinc]

That’s different, she just created them as bugs with sapience, unlike the PK who didn’t create any new bugs, just made some of them more intelligent. Unn also created fully sapient beings, the mosskin, from her own dream.

[sonic dragon]

But those seem to be tribes specific so maybe a whyrm can effect more tribes

[bleak citrus]

To me the pattern seems to be that worshipping something gives bugs a sense of awareness or intelligence, which seems to grow more powerful depending on how powerful the creature or idol they worship is

[sonic dragon]

I wonder what if the new entity that appeared in Pharloom is controlling the other bugs using silk because they don't have enough power

[bleak citrus]

Ooo that’s interesting

Like a fake sense of unity and faith that isn’t actually voluntary

Seems rather similar to the radiance to me but I suppose it’s different enough that team cherry might do something like that

It seems really difficult to pull off such widespread control if the being isn’t a higher being though but maybe the entire citadel works together to pull it off

I’m interested to see how void is a part of silksong

We know that the void and arcane eggs will be in silksong so

[terse wadi]

pretty sure WP throne rune tablet says he did create bugs

*room

[gilded beacon]

So he's beacon only applies to bugs created by him?

[terse wadi]

No blazing kin. Only one light shall shine against the dark.
The Wyrm becomes beacon, minds expanded, to yield, to devote.
Eternity in promise and charge in progeny cursed

[gentle aspen]

No

[terse wadi]

Arcane eggs aren't void

[gilded beacon]

They are a way that the Ancient civilization store information

[bleak citrus]

Yeah but they were created by the ancient civilization who worshipped void

[terse wadi]

They are but they're made of stone

[gilded beacon]

Like the Wanderer's journals

[bleak citrus]

So they’re deeply connected

[terse wadi]

I' call it void adjacent

[gilded beacon]

Lemm explains that due to the high humidity in Hallownest paper would be damaged,
This implies that Pharloom or at least the citadel doesn't have that much humidity since they use scrolls

[terse wadi]

Aren't the scrolls made of bone

[spark valve]

or they just have ongoing maintenance

[terse wadi]

At least the one we know so far

[gentle aspen]

that only happened when it started raining in the city

[spark valve]

it's probably wrapped around bone not parchment actually made of bone or something

[gentle aspen]

also I believe the parchment was made of silk

[spark valve]

it's not just the parchment

[gilded beacon]

How do you make paper out of bone?
I think that is wrapped around bone

[terse wadi]

Well, the parchment could be made of animal skin

[gentle aspen]

or silk

[bleak citrus]

Why might arcane eggs exist in pharloom though? Did the ancient civilization live there too (seems unlikely) or did someone transport them there?

[spark valve]

sure but silk seems eminently more plausible

[real crater]

Parchment could also be made out of magical silk

[gentle aspen]

Convergent evolution perhaps

egg is perfect protective form blah blah

[terse wadi]

That's information not biology bro

[gilded beacon]

It seems that The Ancient Civilization also lived there, we can't tell until 9 days

[real crater]

Or arcane eggs were like very common a long time ago and for some reason bugs forgot how to make them

[terse wadi]

Personally, I think the ancient civlization just spans the majority of the underside of kingdoms

[bleak citrus]

it seems as though pharloom and hallownest must be relatively close to one another for arcane eggs to exist in both places though

[terse wadi]

not necessarily

[bleak citrus]

And everbloom (the delicate flower) too??

[gilded beacon]

I like this theory more, bugs have long lost knowledge

[spark valve]

joker is talking about the principle of similar world properties leading towards the same optimalities, like how wheels probably developed independently a bunch. I don't think that's a reasonable assumption or anything but the idea applies even if you have to tweak it for the context

[bleak citrus]

too much similarity in biology and archaeology

[terse wadi]

Don't think it's Delicate flower I don't think Ze'mer is from Pharloom

[gilded beacon]

In the beginning cutscene it seems like a long journey

[spark valve]

it's obviously a delicate flower but that doesn't mean ze'mer is from pharloom either way

[real crater]

Everbloom and delicate flower look very different they are not the same

[spark valve]

sure man

[bleak citrus]

They’ve gotta be the same

[spark valve]

I don't love it but come on

[terse wadi]

Ones got more pettles

[gilded beacon]

Clearly two completely different flowers /j

[terse wadi]

*petals

[real crater]

See this guy gets it

[terse wadi]

The stem is different too

[gentle aspen]

I believe in team cherry…

[bleak citrus]

I think the drawings are just slightly different but not different enough to mean they are different species of flower

[spark valve]

the stem is not different one is just a bit longer which is not a property of the flower but where it is picked

[gilded beacon]

That could be because they didn't want to reuse sprites?

[gentle aspen]

hmm

on the new clip from ps store

why is there a snake

[terse wadi]

I'd sooner believe it's a reused sprite than it being the delicate flower ngl

[real crater]

Isn't it a worm?

Makes more sense for it to be a worm

[bleak citrus]

Is is confirmed that ze’mer is not from pharloom?

[spark valve]

it's not a reused sprite though they made a whole ass new sprite drawn basically the same as the delicate flower

I don't like that it's there but it's well beyond reasonable argument that it is

[terse wadi]

Not necessarily, but she desribes it as "land Serene" which imo doesn't describe Pharloom

[gilded beacon]

It's not a worm, they have antennas and legs, the snake thing is probably because of the "ssshh" sound that they make

[spark valve]

flowers could have just been brought to pharloom by another traveler like they were to hallownest, it could really go either way

[real crater]

Millipedes have legs also do snakes have antennas?

[gilded beacon]

Last time I checked snakes didn't have antennas..... Cobras tho....

[gentle aspen]

Sounds like a snake

quacks like a duck type shit

[real crater]

I mean doesn't make sense for a bug game to randomly have a snake in it

[sinful nimbus]

so its a wyrm

[bleak citrus]

It would be interesting to see if the everbloom/delicate flowers have the same countereffect on void as they do in hallownest

[spark valve]

tc obviously can take liberties with designs and in terms of silhouette it is pretty wormy even if it also has legs

[gentle aspen]

I don’t know why they would work any different

[sinful nimbus]

Delicate Flowers do NOTHING to void in Pharloom because there is NO void in Pharloom ‼️

[sonic dragon]

Well radience seems more like am infection of their dreams or souls where death is the only solace because that's how strong the radience is, but I assume this new entity might not be that powerful?

[gentle aspen]

I think there will be a pope

[spark valve]

Some things are just not okay to say

[gentle aspen]

That we will kill

[sonic dragon]

I wouldn't be surprised if the citadel is just not a weaver slavery farm

[bleak citrus]

As powerful as the radiance? Yet not powerful enough to control pharloom without the use of silk?

[pseudo lily]

Is Pharloom secretly Chicago?

[gentle aspen]

rad isn’t powerful enough to control hallownest without essence

smh

[gilded beacon]

There are many theories about Pharloom's HB being dead/dying too, that may be the reason of why they are so weak

[sonic dragon]

I said it's weaker than radience lol

[spark valve]

Fraudiance

[terse wadi]

Fakeiance

[gilded beacon]

Maybe because she was forgotten long ago?

[gentle aspen]

Not my point

[bleak citrus]

That’s intense but possible

[gentle aspen]

It’s not a downside that a being can’t exert control without the use of a force

[terse wadi]

Sounds like a skill issue

[bleak citrus]

Ohh okay

[gilded beacon]

She better get gud

[sonic dragon]

I mean the silk needs to come from somewhere so unless it's the old weaver king that went insane it is the next plausible step

Well there is also different weaver factions? So maybe one is just evil

[terse wadi]

We don't know anything about weaver allegiances

[gentle aspen]

I mean

We kinda do

[terse wadi]

At least not in Pharloom

[gilded beacon]

There's also vegetal silk that is generated by some flowers

[bleak citrus]

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Herrah ask the pale king to have a daughter with him in exchange for being a dreamer for him

[terse wadi]

yes

[gentle aspen]

We know some are captured while one is one we fight

[spark valve]

There’s not a confirmed weaver fight what

[terse wadi]

Being captured doesn't tell us where their allegiances lie

[spark valve]

Edge does though

[gentle aspen]

I mean there was something that was spider like for me

And it uses needles too

weaver

[spark valve]

Edge says that the weavers are helping Hornet to restore her power and phrases it as the faction as a whole

[bleak citrus]

Why would herrah want a daughter with the pale king? Did she love him or was it a way of having powerful family ties or was it for the sake of the weavers

[gentle aspen]

She had no kids

[spark valve]

It’s probably a spider but it lacks every distinctive feature of weavers

[gentle aspen]

erm it has six eyes and many legs

[gilded beacon]

I mean, why would there be "evil" weavers that fight hornet?

[gentle aspen]

I don’t think this is much of a point

They could have ulterior motives or simply not want to be captured

[sinful nimbus]

this is my twisted weaver oc that actually works FOR the citadel

[gentle aspen]

phantom moment

[spark valve]

these are spider features not distinctive weaver features

[gentle aspen]

The only weaver feature is the stupid head helmet thing

which I hate so I ignore it

[bleak citrus]

I wonder if the weavers have a centralized home in pharloom or if they are scattered throughout in different hiding places

[sonic dragon]

I mean why do we presume all weavers are good to begin with..?

[sinful nimbus]

yopi alt

[midnight zinc]

None of this means he created bugs. He’s saying he’s the only god of Hallownest and describing how the beacon expands the minds of bugs. The “progeny cursed” are the vessels, not the bugs of Hallownest.

[gentle aspen]

He did create vessels so

[sinful nimbus]

Their seem to be benevolent to Hornet

Which lines with their history

[midnight zinc]

Not bugs, and not who we’re talking about. They’re the children of gods and fused with void, I doubt any intelligence they exhibit is because of any beacon, they’re not born simple bugs.

[spark valve]

it's not unreasonable to assume that the faction that
1: has positive ties to the protagonist established by the first game
2: is clearly harmed by the antagonist faction in the second game
3: is helping the protagonist in the second game by restoring her abilities
is generally on the side of the good guys

[gentle aspen]

Indeed

do y’all think hornet’s needle will also be bolstered by weavers or jo

[real crater]

Might teach hornet new things as well

[spark valve]

no

[bleak citrus]

Whats jo

[spark valve]

jo mama

[bleak citrus]

Oh nvm sorry lol

[sonic dragon]

Yeah but I am arguing that not all weavers left Pharloom and maybe a sect of them remained in power and it's evil

[real crater]

Will bucky mama be in silksong?

[bleak citrus]

Yeah fs

[gentle aspen]

I mean
why

[midnight zinc]

Weavers are the real villains twist, calling it

[real crater]

It's on the bingo card sure but it doesn't make sense for them to betray hornet literally no incentive

[midnight zinc]

You don’t even know the story of the game, tf you mean no incentive

[sinful nimbus]

The oppressed guys were the villains all along

[gilded beacon]

Sherma is the big bug baddie

[sonic dragon]

Because how else is the bug in power using silk

[gentle aspen]

PK used silk

[midnight zinc]

Disney villain ass twist

[gentle aspen]

Weavers aren’t the only beings in existence that can utilize it

[sonic dragon]

PK used silk because he got help from the weavers

[gentle aspen]

so?

That’s also not really true they just gave him the stuff

[sonic dragon]

So why would the weavers give the bad person in charge the stuff is my point

[gentle aspen]

they’re literally captured

[gilded beacon]

Disney wouldn't have a villain, it is all generational trauma

[sonic dragon]

Unless they were forced

[midnight zinc]

Because they are the bad guys

[midnight zinc]

Did you watch frozen?

[sonic dragon]

But the problem seems to have started before they left Pharloom so I don't think this entity didn't have controller over some of them in the past

[spark valve]

yeah they're definitely giving up silk voluntarily mhm

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, I was talking about the newer ones

[gentle aspen]

It’s not like it’s impossible for some weavers to be bad

But like

the reasoning isn’t there rn

[sinful nimbus]

Generational trauma disney goes hard

[gilded beacon]

They would rather help hornet than the citadel

[midnight zinc]

Not to be pretentious but I am an adult so I haven’t watched a new Disney film in years

[sinful nimbus]

Watch Encanto fr

[sonic dragon]

We have no reasoning rn tho cause the game ain't fucking out yet. For all we know th final boss is zote

[gentle aspen]

You can look at what we have and make conclusions

[gilded beacon]

Don't worry, probably isn't worth your time

[gentle aspen]

what we have right now doesn’t indicate or imply weavers evil

[midnight zinc]

I think that’s the last one I watched cuz my ex liked it, ngl I hated it

[sinful nimbus]

Blocked

[midnight zinc]

Also the Bruno song got played out in a week and that shit was everywhere for the whole year, fuck that song

If that song didn’t exist I might’ve liked the movie lowkey

[gilded beacon]

I liked it, but still has many plot holes

[sonic dragon]

What we have rn indicates that whatever happened with silk happened before the weavers left their home so unless a random strong god came in and forced some of them to give him the silk, I believe all options can be on the table, I also think it's unlikely

[sinful nimbus]

Cursed to listen to Lin Manuel Miranda for the rest of your life

[spark valve]

weaver haters in shambles

[gilded beacon]

I rather listen to him than the WISH's songs, they are so baddd

[midnight zinc]

Average Disney film

[midnight zinc]

Hamilton is rap for white people who hate hip hop

[gilded beacon]

This description is so funny to me, mainly because it is true

[midnight zinc]

And I know he’s Puerto Rican so as a fellow Puerto Rican I gotta show solidarity, Lin Manuel Miranda himself is cool, I’ve just never met a person who loved Hamilton who wasn’t also an awful person

[sonic dragon]

Damn

[midnight zinc]

Anyways silksong am I right

[sinful nimbus]

I like hamilton

[spark valve]

and you suck

won't even finish outer wilds

[sinful nimbus]

smh but the best songs there also aren't even rap

[sinful nimbus]

Soon..

Maybe after silksong provided nothing else cool drops after then

[gilded beacon]

Will Silksong be a musical?? I mean it has "song" in the title after all

[spark valve]

it would be really funny if they went the MGR route and had voiced tracks out of nowhere but probably not

[gilded beacon]

Mid Lace fight she and Hornet start singing and dancing

[sonic dragon]

Are we still going to have a shade when we die in silksong

[sinful nimbus]

COT vocalist is right there smh

[spark valve]

no you have a cocoon you can break to recover full silk and get rosaries back

[plucky granite]

they took 7 years getting a voice actor for hornet

[runic musk]

New strat purposefully die to go in with full Silk

[spark valve]

yeah but she's not saying words, which is important. MGR is a musical because the voiced tracks are doing storytelling during the emotional moments

[sinful nimbus]

SS lyrics would have to be comically edgy though

[sinful nimbus]

I'm saying they should get her using real words

[spark valve]

(E33 is the better 'technically a musical' though)

[sinful nimbus]

e33 has lyrics?

[spark valve]

some tracks

but they are mostly in french

[sonic dragon]

I hope they provide a reasoning for it

[spark valve]

meh

[runic musk]

MGR? Metal Gear Rising? I remember when that shit had a massive resurgence for some reason in 2022-2023

[spark valve]

respawn is probably noncanon in ss same as hk, they don't really need much reason

[spark valve]

if you actually aren't going to ever play the game (though you should do that) you should listen to all the tracks that have an artist listed other than just lorien testard

[flint wadi]

trobbio
where are his eyes

[vestal swan]

The red things

[flint wadi]

see i thought so but they really give me the vibes of a mustache

[spark valve]

probably the point of that design element

[flint wadi]

interesting

[vestal swan]

You can see fluffy parts on them why would that be a mustache

[spark valve]

TC isn't above using things to be evocative of other things, look at salubra's 'eyebrows'

[flint wadi]

thats fair, i suppose its the just angle that threw me off

i love him with all my heart btw

[spark valve]

they could also be like hidden under the red things or whatever, they are pretty strange to just be eyes.

[flint wadi]

silksong's cast will singlehandedly solo all of the first game i fear

[spark valve]

probably

hk doesn't have a lot of very developed npcs, there's like hunter and quirrel, arguably hornet to a degree?

[flint wadi]

ooohh like rose tinted shades

[spark valve]

something like that yeah

I welcome character designs that change things up, make the faces more interesting

[flint wadi]

thats true, but its the suppose thats kinda the beauty of it
the sequel gets to improve on it 10 fold

[spark valve]

carmelita is potentially similar, her key art shows one of the 'eyes' coming off her face

(also a banger design in general)

[flint wadi]

its not all that uncommon for bugs now that i think about it

[gilded beacon]

Those look like lashes more than eyes tbh

[spark valve]

sure that's probably the intent

[gilded beacon]

That's why they poke out

[gentle aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-doflamingo-donquixote-doflamingo-doffy-smile-gif-775284338119657208

[flint wadi]

probably common knowledge but LOL

really creative there, TC

[spark valve]

might be a backer character

[flint wadi]

kneeling at their feet

[flint wadi]

holy thats really close

[gilded beacon]

Isn't , they just gave the Trobbio name because of the VA who is also friends with TC

[flint wadi]

good to know

[digital hemlock]

They always seemed like eyelashes to me

[mighty oyster]

Sameee

[digital hemlock]

Since she is always smiling it makes sense if her eyes are smiling too

[mighty oyster]

I can se him as some kind of actor

[flint wadi]

he is! he's a performer allegedly

that tracks with the stage lights and confetti-firecracker things

[spark valve]

yeah both the trading card description and the blurb about him on their blog support that

[flint wadi]

move aside grimm

theres a new hotshot in town

[spark valve]

grim never cared about the art he was only in it to keep the eldritch horror inside him alive, he's a fraud

[flint wadi]

true, the glamour means nothing to him

trobbio relishes in it however

a true artist

[spark valve]

ig he's also a painter or something, master of the stage the brush and the voice

or that could mean writing depending on what implements they use I suppose

[flint wadi]

yeah master of the brush is interesting

[gilded beacon]

Does he paint too?

[spark valve]

that seems the most intuitive interpretation

[gilded beacon]

I mean
Theater, dancing and singing are all different arts

[real crater]

Imagine he paints the bugs armor into existence

[spark valve]

yeah they are

[real crater]

Unless if u are talking about musical theater

[spark valve]

that's just doing multiple arts at once

[gilded beacon]

That's just theater²

[real crater]

No musical theatre is distinct from normal theatre if u go by my theatre teacher defination

[gilded beacon]

I guess

So Trobbio is an arts kid?

[real crater]

Also theatre is a catch all word are u talking about open theatre for the masses a bougie one for the elite they are quite different culturally and the way they are performed

[spark valve]

this kind of depth is probably not something tc had in mind when they called him master of the stage

[real crater]

Fair enough but it will be interesting to see what kind of niche trobbio fills

[spark valve]

I think the point is that he doesn't have a niche

"Master of the Stage, the Brush and the Voice" he's very multitalented

[real crater]

I mean what sort of plays we see him in

[gilded beacon]

He's a renaissance man

[real crater]

He's not gonna be doing every kind of show

[spark valve]

I'm not sure we'll actually sit down and watch plays (though it could be a justification for boss refights)

oh god the trading card description opens some bad routes

[vestal swan]

I hope my super elaborate extremely unrealistic idea is in the game, they just turn every boss into a puppet

Every rematch is just a show

[blissful harbor]

refights through memories like sekiro ong

[real crater]

Isn't that the Italian souls like

[gilded beacon]

What does it say?

[spark valve]

Haughty thespian convinced that only dazzling performance can raise Pharloom from the throes of death

absolute nightmare scenario is he's right and it creates another fucking godhome ending

[viscid ridge]

To me it sounds like he is very good at different art forms

[flint wadi]

all to serve his personality

[vestal swan]

Dude's going to try and play the anime opening in the finale fight to give hornet a boost like it's the season finale of a shounen

[flint wadi]

ough trading cards breach the spoilery territory for me
ill dip

[sinful nimbus]

God bless steamdb

[vestal swan]

There's always the possibility that they're super old and not going to be Canon

[spark valve]

no blow it up

[vestal swan]

Why does voice to text keep capitalizing Canon

[spark valve]

camera brand

[vestal swan]

True I forgot that existed

[sonic dragon]

Respawn is canon in HK I thought

[spark valve]

it isn't

[eternal gazelle]

Respawn looks even less canon in silksong with that uncanny burnt-ass fetal position corpse

[terse wadi]

Pretty sure if your shell breaks you're just a shade now

[sonic dragon]

Rip

[spark valve]

I mean from a narrative perspective it would kinda suck if it was

[quartz salmon]

It seems like something

Maybe it's Hornet molting

[eternal gazelle]

I'm pretty sure it's her old body crumbling to dust

[quartz salmon]

Yeah exactly molting out ot her old body in a cocoon of silk

Spiders do that

[wanton eagle]

That makes sense to me

I thought at first that it was like, baby spiders in the empty space of the cocoon where Hornet was before but that doesn't really make any sense

[spark valve]

imo unless something really changes it in game there's not much reason to think very hard about it

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, it's probably her body and not a void ghost kinda thing

[viscid ridge]

Hopefully, cause if they say she is void in game im gonna tear my hair out

[terse wadi]

I know Wilbo is a troll but it's pretty established that Hornet is not void

[carmine blade]

Now I want ger to be void

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, Hornet isn't void It doesn't make sense to me

[carmine blade]

@terse wadi Happy Birthday!

[terse wadi]

Ty

[gilded beacon]

It's your birthday!?

[carmine blade]

Too many August bdays

[terse wadi]

doesn't she literally say while you're siblings she doesn't share that darkness when leaving abyss

[gilded beacon]

Yes she does, but people can't read or smth

[terse wadi]

yuh

[gilded beacon]

Even if she didn't say so, there is enough evidence to prove that she isn't

[terse wadi]

yuh

[carmine blade]

New rule. All talk of void is banned from ss lore

[gilded beacon]

Nah, there's probably some void in Pharloom but Hornet definitely isn't void....
There's Phantom

[terse wadi]

Isn't there void in the release date reveal screen

[gilded beacon]

Also that

[carmine blade]

I just find void talk lame

[iron gazelle]

Is it because it's always empty?

[terse wadi]

It is when it's clearly not present

[spark valve]

It’s lame anyways since there’s nothing to talk about other than ‘maybe it’s there’

[gilded beacon]

It's because we know so little about void the all we do is blind assumptions

[spark valve]

We actually know kind of a lot about it and how it behaves

[gilded beacon]

Elaborate pls

[spark valve]

void is like the most thematically and mechanically explored thing in the first game

[sonic dragon]

Idk they explain the reviving in blasphemeous really well

[spark valve]

idk enough about blasphemous to know if respawn is canon there and I'm not inclined to take your word for it

[terse wadi]

Wouldn't Void be bad in Pharloom, it was only good in Hallownest because it was the antithesis of light and by extention Radiance

[spark valve]

next time grover's active you could talk to him about it maybe

[spark valve]

i mean it's not really good or bad in and of itself it just is

[gilded beacon]

In blasphemous god is in your side, in HK you kill god

[terse wadi]

well, it fucks up most bugs doesn't it

[sonic dragon]

Wrong

[spark valve]

sure but that isn't like a moral decision it's making

it's dangerous but dangerous and evil are pretty different, void just 'wants' to be left alone

[gilded beacon]

The miracle revives you, so you can become the next idol of the Mother of Mothers

[spark valve]

you have to fuck with it severely for it to even generate any sort of intent and even then that intent doesn't extend beyond making whatever you're doing stop

[real crater]

Kinda like acid irl only dangerous if u interact with it not like it's gonna seek u out

[terse wadi]

I'm not talking morally, I'm talking objectively, it was only "good" for us because it helped us beat Radiance, it's really fucking bad for other bugs

[sonic dragon]

Yet you kill the miracle and the high wills

[spark valve]

that's also true of like a sword I don't really know what the observation you're trying to make is

[terse wadi]

Swords aren't alive though

[spark valve]

what do you mean by bad

[gilded beacon]

Yes but that wasn't the Miracle's plan

[spark valve]

it would be harmful to step in it

[raven cove]

ok a wild animal then

[terse wadi]

It's objectively not good for normal bug to come into contact with it

[spark valve]

ok

[sonic dragon]

Actually the one doing everything was the high wills from the start not the miracle

[terse wadi]

I'm saying we view it positively because it was beneficial in HK to us but in general it's bad news bears for most bugs

[raven cove]

it’s also not good for a normal person to come into contact with like a crocodile that doesn’t mean crocodiles are ontologically evil or whatever

[gilded beacon]

Yes I know, even then it wasn't the original plan

[spark valve]

sure? I'm not sure what the point here is

[sonic dragon]

Ok so the hollow knight was also blessed by the void

[spark valve]

no

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, but the miracle is also its own entity, we've been told it was orphaned after the death of the high wills

[terse wadi]

There wasn't much to it, you brought morality into the conversation so I had to clarify

[raven cove]

radiance isn’t god btw

[viscid ridge]

It even re awakes us in the second game to become a new symbol, but ultimately fails

[sonic dragon]

Yeah miracle supposedly was born before the high wills

[candid summit]

I think that silksong. That in the. Game. Bugs will be.

[gilded beacon]

They were using the Miracle for their own benefits

[raven cove]

radiance is one of many deities that exist in the world of hollow knight making that analogy useless

[sonic dragon]

But in blasphemeous 2 you are tasked by a god to kill a god

[raven cove]

actually when tk kills her it has also become a deity in its own right

[gilded beacon]

So you two can fuse into the second psalm

And become a new symbol of adoration

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, i must say tho, i think the second games lore makes a bit less sense to me, because i suspect they made some major changes to the story which is why it feels inconsistent between the games. I think originally the guy in the heart would have been the miracle after being freed from the wills, but they changed it to devotion incarnate

[sonic dragon]

Nah you just need to kill the miracle and save the world, the canvas is the true good god

Devotion incarnate is the miracle what

[viscid ridge]

I still love the second game, but the lore in the first is a bit stronger

[sonic dragon]

Idk people in the blasphemeous server love the second more

Anyway let's go back to silksong

Do we know if the huntress is related to the hunter?

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, it has a wider apeal, but i personally think the first game has "the sauce" that the second game doesn't share

[eternal gazelle]

Definitely not

[gilded beacon]

If I'm correct I think that the second game was made because of team 17 making them do so since the first sell very good, it wasn't planned, thus the lore isn't as cohesive

[terse wadi]

Maybe in mechanics but not in familiar relation

[viscid ridge]

Its why i live Hollow knight too because it has "the sauce"

[eternal gazelle]

We don't even really know if they have similar roles

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i think major lore changes was made between games, but they are both still good

[spark valve]

the most you could point to that she might have a similar role is the text saying that she has a lot of knowledge about pharloom

[sonic dragon]

I love hollow knight for the aesthetics I didn't even know it had a story before I watched mossbag

[viscid ridge]

Like i wish i was as aura farm cool as Eviterno

[gilded beacon]

The lore is better in the first one, but everything else is better in the second game, imo

[eternal gazelle]

I don't think there are any inconsistencies, the behavior of the miracle changed because culture changed

It's been like hundreds of years since the first game

[sonic dragon]

Again people in the blasphemeous server like the lore of second more but maybe it's because it's new so they are just hyped

I mean the miracle is the way it is because that's how people are

[terse wadi]

You gotta piece it together yeah

I kinda like it's that way I ddon't like being spoonfed answers

[sonic dragon]

Same but I feel like dark souls has them more straightforward

[gilded beacon]

Mossbag really is the one who makes the best analysis

[sonic dragon]

Mossbag is the only one

[sinful nimbus]

happy birthday'

[sonic dragon]

I am still waiting for a new video.....

[terse wadi]

ty

[spark valve]

hk is actually pretty straightforward, although some of the most straightforward presentations are in hard to find places

[sonic dragon]

Happy bday

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, but as much as i love both games, i can admit that the second games story doesn't make all that much sense. The art and vibes are still there, the story and lore is just a little inconsistent

[terse wadi]

ty

[sonic dragon]

Ye of the main story but when you try to piece together the background lore it's a bit hard

[spark valve]

not really

the only stuff that gets super weird is stuff that does not matter whatsoever

[gilded beacon]

He will, it will be a long on tho, if he managed to make a 20 min vid with 5 sec of footage, then a whole trailer gives him hours

[sonic dragon]

I think it works tho now that the miracle was free and people start acting on it again it tried to manifest but it kinda failed

Now that the high wills are gone the true god managed to appear in the world and wake up the penitent one

[viscid ridge]

I think my main first draw to hollow knight was seeing the pale king for the first time in the mossbag video, he looked so interesting to me i had to find out what his deal was. And now im here 😭🤣

[sonic dragon]

My favourite part is the city of tears Def the best part of the game

[viscid ridge]

Yeah totally agree, but my problems with the lore is caused by something on a fundamental level i just dont wanna go into right now cause this is a hollow knight server 🤣😅

[sonic dragon]

No mods here

[gilded beacon]

This is a Hollow Knight server!?? Wow, things change so fast

[viscid ridge]

Marissa and her song, absolute gold, it speaks to me on a deep level

[ornate nova]

Wanna bet?

[eternal gazelle]

You know you can just change channels if you want to have an off topic conversation

#off-topic is pretty empty

[viscid ridge]

Nah im good 👍

[sonic dragon]

I have been here for 5 years, I have seen people come and go I am as s eternal as Zote greatest dream

[viscid ridge]

Eternal as Eviterno

[sonic dragon]

Let's talk about silksong tho

[viscid ridge]

Have yall ever seen angels egg?

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, I almost forgot that

[viscid ridge]

I watched i cause ari said it was his main inspo for hollow knight, and i can see why. But its even more cryptic about its story than hollow knight is🤣

[sonic dragon]

What angel eggs bro

[terse wadi]

A few inspos

[viscid ridge]

Its the anime that inspired hollow knight

I think their doing a restoration of the movie now

https://youtu.be/4X9LM3aTiyY?si=Y2X_EVpNp0YkKlFR

[gilded beacon]

Are these two bosses.... Y'know ...

[real crater]

Siblings or dating or parent and child

[terse wadi]

A lot of inspos, Dark souls, Angels egg etc

[viscid ridge]

They look like a couple doing a dance i love them

[gilded beacon]

They look more like the same age

[gilded beacon]

I wonder when will they kiss

[real crater]

Prob not on screen

[viscid ridge]

I also have a baseless theory that they are both machines, they move very robot like

[gilded beacon]

Emotionless machines that discover love through each other

[viscid ridge]

Aww

[gilded beacon]

They give Mantis Lords vibes

[viscid ridge]

Im also wondering if we'll get sea angels in the coral forest area, there is one background bug that always looks like a squid or a sea angel to me

[viscid ridge]

Those 2 green ones in the clover area makes me think of the manti

[real crater]

I hope this theory comes true maybe through the power of silk??

[sinful nimbus]

sea angels would be peak

[gilded beacon]

Is it because of my pfp?

[viscid ridge]

And song, and thus silksong

[viscid ridge]

Yeah 😌

[gilded beacon]

Maybe the pink lighting that we've seen

[real crater]

No that's hornets thunder ability

[gilded beacon]

There's also a pic shared in GoG in which we see barnacles (?) surrounded by lightning

[real crater]

The one where hornet's cloak is inflated like a balloon is prob where she gets that power up

[gilded beacon]

This enemies kinda look like Sea Angels

[viscid ridge]

Like this shadow always lets me think of a sea angel

[viscid ridge]

Im absolutely in love with those weird goobers

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, but it's sideways, likely a fish thing

[viscid ridge]

I eyed them since the trailer released

[gilded beacon]

Absolutely in love with all goobers in this game

[viscid ridge]

Yeah more squidlike, but i feel as if sea angels feels more like a bug than a squid does

[real crater]

All the characters in this game feel so full of life like they actually existed just from a few shots we could tell this man this is gonna be goood

[viscid ridge]

An interesting thing i want to bring to attention is what causes all the snow? What makes this area so cold? We didn't see areas this cold except maybe the border of hallownest?

[gilded beacon]

Squids are molluscs like slugs and snails, we have already seen those

Sea Angels are also molluscs (according to Google) so also likely

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, we seem to have a lot more npcs in this game than in hollow knight i wanna know their deal

[gilded beacon]

I always thought that it looks more like mold than snow, with the little mycelium strands

[real crater]

Even the enemies feel so well done

[viscid ridge]

Squids are molluscs? Never knew

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, but they don't have shell like snails or clams

[viscid ridge]

Yeah it feels kinda like monster hunter (if youve played) where there are all sorts of creatures in different environments and they all have something special or magical about them

[gilded beacon]

Sea angels look like they would fit perfectly in the game ngl

[viscid ridge]

I would have never known thats hella interesting

[real crater]

Never played it but yeah the characters doing something other than walking in a path feels soooo nice

[gilded beacon]

Biology Lore

[viscid ridge]

I have a very keen interest in primordial cephalopods

[viscid ridge]

Lmao

[gilded beacon]

Anomalocaris enters in the room

[viscid ridge]

I think thats why im very interested in Craw Lakez cause there seems to be a lot of mollusks and the likes in that area

[terse wadi]

Anyone here remember Gustav the Mantis shrimp?

[viscid ridge]

No? Who the heck is gustav??

[gilded beacon]

I think that is called Craw Lake because of the crows, they craw

[spark valve]

I've been saying mantis shrimp boss for years don't know of the name

[viscid ridge]

Show me

[terse wadi]

A fanmade boss (by me)

[viscid ridge]

I dont they'll have something refrencing birds in hollow knight. I might be wrong but i think it refers to like shrimp and lobsters and stuff?

[terse wadi]

Yeah I suggested Gustav the Mantis Shrimp in like 2020-21

[gilded beacon]

Maybe, I really hope that we have crabs in this game

[viscid ridge]

Cause crawfish are lobster stuff

[terse wadi]

there's that one boss who looks like a crab in the coral area

[real crater]

Crab like in another crabs treasure is that a reference

[gilded beacon]

The God Tamer originally was going to be on top of a gigantic Lobster

[viscid ridge]

Wait i just realized when i Googled, that the rest of the world calls it cray fish, where im from we call it crawfish

[edgy nebula]

that 3 seconds of trailer footage is curious since i think it shows one of the huntresses childen

[terse wadi]

It depends on region

[viscid ridge]

Yeah exactly what i was thinking, now lobsters actually have a area to be in

[viscid ridge]

Thats a strange character i wonder what his deal is

[gilded beacon]

He is the dad hiding from custody

[terse wadi]

More like hiding from being lunch

[viscid ridge]

Yeah the Coral King i wanted to say he reminds me of a crab

[terse wadi]

He looks like one

[viscid ridge]

We also have these things which i think kan be classified as a crab

[terse wadi]

Crabs are spiders of the sea it's still a bug/hj

[viscid ridge]

There also seems to be isopod shells alla across the area i think will be Craw lake, which means we'll maybe get another crab like enemy

At the bottom

[gilded beacon]

In the metadata taken from an older trailer the room with this enemy was called ceiling_crab or smth like that

[gilded beacon]

Poop crab

[viscid ridge]

Yeah definitely goo crab

[gilded beacon]

A crapb if you will

[viscid ridge]

We havent seen this area in so long i really wonder what it looks like now, maybe they polished his shell so it looks less like a piece of shit 🤣

[gilded beacon]

We already had enough shit with dung defender

[viscid ridge]

But part of my interest in prehistoruc cephalopods include endoceratidae, which looks a bit like this poop shelled gentleman

[gilded beacon]

Those are just prehistoric sea wizards

[viscid ridge]

Essentially this ( my favorite interpretation )

[gilded beacon]

Jokes aside I could perfectly see them launching at Hornet as if themselves were a spear or smth

[viscid ridge]

I fricken love these guys

[viscid ridge]

Hope so

I wonder if there wilk be a underwater section, weve seen areas that look like tbeir underwater, but i hope we get to, even if its just one time or something

[sonic dragon]

I HAVE BEEN PINGED

[viscid ridge]

Why? 🤨

[gilded beacon]

Don't think so

[viscid ridge]

🤞

[gilded beacon]

Let's all pray!

Crab lore about to go crazyyy

[viscid ridge]

One thing thats really always intrigued me since its first apearance is this area

[viscid ridge]

It reminds me a lot of Isma's grove, making me wonder if we might se another thing like isma, whatever she may be

[terse wadi]

Idk how much of Isma is just overtaken by plants or is plants

[viscid ridge]

The other thing about this place that seems very strange to me is the ground rocks, it looks very unique compared to other places.

It looks like a coil ring almost

[blissful harbor]

it’s all isma

[gilded beacon]

Probably we'll get to the Clover Grove through the weaver door down there, since there isn't more space in the left side of Moss Grotto

[terse wadi]

Her dreamnail dialogue makes me sus of that slightly

[gilded beacon]

Either erosion or they are the husk of dead bugs, you choose

[terse wadi]

feels like a bit of both

[viscid ridge]

I think the clover area is somewhere to the left of moss grotto, cause from the screenshots it looks like hornet enters this area from the right

[mighty void]

what if Hornet got kidnapped cuz the king was hungy and wanted exotic pale being meat

[viscid ridge]

That sounds wild if put in another context 💀

[eternal gazelle]

I really like that the map pins are slightly misshapen

[spark valve]

it's a nice touch

[gilded beacon]

Yeah but both sides of Moss Grotto are already occupied by other two areas, one of them ends in either "aways" or "mways"

[mighty void]

ok but for a serious theory i think the kingdom's king might be dead and they kidnapped Hornet to turn her into their pale queen

[mighty void]

so they don't lose their mind and shit

[spark valve]

they wouldn't be trying to kill her if that was the case

and wyrms dying doesn't make their beacons stop

[viscid ridge]

One thing i wonder is what exactly this pin is hiding, we see one here asewell as in bellhart hiding something

My guess is maybe quest bords? Cause we know both areas have them

[lethal burrow]

again, I never said the other one wouldn't be important lol

[mighty void]

then what exactly would be making pharloomers lose their mind?

[spark valve]

Something To Do With Silk™

Or perhaps Song

[mighty void]

the silly strings...

[viscid ridge]

A curse of silk and song

[mighty void]

and we make them ring (song)

does Pharloom have the freedom motif???

[winged hollow]

“…mways” my favorite area

[mighty void]

is Spamton G Spamton the king of Pharloom

[gilded beacon]

Maybe TC just put the pins randomly, one of them is literally nowhere

[sonic dragon]

I wonder if the snail created both mosses

[viscid ridge]

I dont think so, they already used some to block the bell beast symbol, and also we see the symbol for the bench and a shop on both sides of the golden marker, meaning there is something in the middle that they are hiding

[gilded beacon]

We've already seen Shakra in Bone Bottom, maybe it marks where Shakra may appear?

[viscid ridge]

I doubt shakra will have a marker, cause if she gonna move around, it would be useless to have a marker of her

I also think i might be able to pin point where we first meat shakra

[gilded beacon]

I mean that the player themselves mark where they've seen Shakra, the Golden pins are marked by the player themselves

[viscid ridge]

Yeah probably, but i still think the golden markers are hiding the quest board marker

[gilded beacon]

I think that it's weird that there would be a quest board in the middle of a hallway, still possible though

[viscid ridge]

I have come to the conclusion that We'll find shakra here or here in the marrow, ive also just now noticed that there seems to be 2 markers overlapping eachother whats up with that

[gilded beacon]

Maybe a bug? Man I can believe that they are rushing this game....

Honestly I have no idea

[gilded beacon]

In the upper left side there's one of those bells

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i always wondered what their significance might be?

[gilded beacon]

I think that it will open a short cut, you have to come first from the left side of the bell and the first time you get there is blocked

You can't go straight up, you have to take a detour first kinda thing

[halcyon rose]

wow people have maps already

[quartz salmon]

i feel like half of them are hiding other npc/game markers and others are just for the oooh look a player is exploring the world

[gilded beacon]

This is my best idea of the "intended" path based on what we've seen on the trailers

Take this with a pinch of salt I'm just having fun ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

We are supposed to fight the Bell Beast in The Marrow but I have no idea where so I didn't include it

[foggy fractal]

awesome sauce

[gilded beacon]

Thanks

I have no idea what to do with Far Fields, Greymoor, Bellhart and Shellwood, so....

[foggy fractal]

yeah there will be probably be areas that we'll have to loop back/backtrack to when we get an ability

[gilded beacon]

Classic MetroidVania style

As spected

Although I don't see any rooms that look like they had an ability inside of them, usually those rooms call you towards them by being more striking in the map,
We'll see

[terse wadi]

Kinda sad what happened to the great knights, Ze'mer is depressed because her girlfriend died, Dryya died protecting WL from the corrupted traitor mantises, Hegemol got ambushed in his sleep and killed, Isma's dead and become one with the plants in her grove, and Ogrim's extremely depressed because all his friends and his king is dead

[terse wadi]

Besides Crystal dash aren't most movement abilities in HK tied to bosses

[gilded beacon]

Why do most lesbian end dead in HK?? Will this also happen to Lace?

[gilded beacon]

And Mantis claw

But yeah, even then we've barely seen bosses in early areas,

Moss Mother
Lace
Carmelita
Bell Beast
Frog dude (?)

Can't think of any more

[terse wadi]

Cursed lovers

[terse wadi]

Crab king

[gilded beacon]

We don't really know how early the Coral Reef is in the game

[gilded beacon]

Gays: happily live in their hut making art

Lesbians: Dies

Straight: kill a million kids then die

[real crater]

Hmm silksong will change that

[gilded beacon]

Hopefully

[real crater]

Maybe we will have happy gay and lesbian and straight and bi couples

I just wanna see the bugs happy at the end of silksong

[quartz salmon]

Every shot of it seems to have a lot of masks

• it's raining in greymoor so it's a safe bet to assume that craw lake leads up to the coral forest somehow and all that water drips back down as rain

[gilded beacon]

There's also the Marsh under the citadel, could also be on top of Greymoor

[quartz salmon]

Suuuure but that may just be shellwood

Looks marshy

[gilded beacon]

I think that Shellwood is this area:

Long vertical rooms
Wooden structures
Rooms with water/maggots at the bottom
Greenish color in the map

[blissful harbor]

100% you can throw a bomb in thst dudes mouth

[terse wadi]

Need Anti-Bad breath tool

[real crater]

I hope hornet can use shellwood to make tools

Maybe outershell of a bomb since it's pretty fragile??

[gilded beacon]

Also in the map of ShellWood there isn't that much water really, are more like puddles than anything

[quartz salmon]

Probably correct

[gilded beacon]

Instead of the great expanse that we see in the Swamp

[gilded beacon]

100% I will

Im also sure that the small center room is where the Frogbug boss takes place:

Water/ maggots at the bottom + is the only small enough room in the area to be use as an boss arena

I have no idea what the pointy hanging thing is

[quartz salmon]

Don't you think it's too small

I'd say it's the big one below it

[gilded beacon]

It's average size

Jokes aside, I'd say that is pretty normal size, I don't think that Frog fella here would have range attacks

[quartz salmon]

Maybe I'm underestimating the size of the rooms on the map

[gilded beacon]

Probably, it also happens in HK

[twilit ibex]

may be the pipe things that we see in one of the trailers in the lace fight with the white flowers

[gilded beacon]

Actually.... Kinda makes sense, we've seen those ending on the edge, right?

[twilit ibex]

cuz we have seen those in other parts of the map

[quartz salmon]

They look crest like... just a hunch these may be the places we receive crests from

[twilit ibex]

yes

at the rightmost pipe it ends in a triangle shape

[gilded beacon]

We've already seen three of them, and in the trailer when we see Hornet acquire a crest it looks like a more holy place with all the candles, not a Deep Docks hallway, still possible tho

I just don't think that Crest would be in random hallways

[quartz salmon]

I hear you but they could still be like dedicated little shrines in every part of the world

[gilded beacon]

That's a possibility also

Still think that they look more like pipes than shrines

[terse wadi]

Could be a secret area

[quartz salmon]

They have sharp edges and pierce through multiple rooms could be anything

[gilded beacon]

Drills? They are going to sip the void and build mega structures with existential trauma?

[terse wadi]

The best building block

[edgy nebula]

silksong might have some void themes but i doubt itll tie into the plot

[terse wadi]

Secret areas can be pretty wild compared to the area they're in

[edgy nebula]

phantom makes it dubious but im 90% sure things like sharpe arent void

[quartz salmon]

Let's not create any angsty supercomputers in Pharloom I feel the place is already dealing with enough

[gilded beacon]

Kinda look like the cast off shell? It may be only me ngl

Reminds me of the "'bones" found in Kingdom's Edge

[quartz salmon]

Ehhh

Personally they look like spider legs to me

But that's probably not it

[gilded beacon]

The one in Shellwood appears to be hanging

The other two go through the earth

[terse wadi]

Bold of you to assume we're on Earth in the HK universe

[gilded beacon]

I mean dirt

The ground

[terse wadi]

I know

[gilded beacon]

Np

[terse wadi]

I'm being cheeky

[gilded beacon]

Also, right before the pit where Hornet falls at the start in Shellwood there's a giant bell

[terse wadi]

There's a lot of those

[quartz salmon]

I dont think we'll be able to tell what those are before the game releases but one things for sure

They're big structures, bigger than the bells we ring certainly

[terse wadi]

We will Silk that song

[quartz salmon]

More like song that silk

[gilded beacon]

We will milk the song

[terse wadi]

That feels illegal

[quartz salmon]

Well it's the silk's song so you're songing that silk in the game

[thick canyon]

this wierd ball thingy looks wierdly like the ball thingy in the new "leaked" clip thats in the Huntress part?

[foggy fractal]

not really

[spark valve]

not whatsoever, and that's an elevator mechanism

[sinful nimbus]

first it was it looks like Hornet's cage now its leveled up to the Huntress arena

we will never stop talking about this thing 😭

[spark valve]

not until it has been claimed to look basically identical to every circle in existence

[real crater]

i mean its probably just a cool bg piece that tc added to make the area intresting

[foggy fractal]

this shit keeps happening lmao

and even if they actually looked the same what then ?

[midnight reef]

yes, that is indeed likely the shellwood

The Shellwood that we 100% know is the shellwood is a swampy area already, with alot of water and large roots in the area

[dire sinew]

is shellwood going to be an important thing in silksong

[foggy fractal]

no idea

[spark valve]

probably not important no

[eternal gazelle]

there is wood

[foggy fractal]

its the name of an area

[midnight reef]

It makes sense to me that the swampy area with frog bugs would be in the swampy area

[dire sinew]

oooookay rhats all i needed to know

[foggy fractal]

we've seen a bunch of water striders in Shellwood

[midnight reef]

yea

I doubt its an entirely different area
Though to be fair I've been proven wrong with these types of guesses- I was sure that the Hunters March would've just be a sub-area of the Far Fields

[real crater]

shell wood might be just a sub area of greymoore

[spark valve]

looks pretty big

doesn't look like part of greymoor on the map at all

[real crater]

could be above craw lake

we dont see that area in the map pinned

[real crater]

oh mb i am just blind

[spark valve]

I'm not sure it's a mystery where it is (and even without the map that's pinned we knew where that area was relative to greymoor)

we've seen both of these rooms

[real crater]

i see now i just didnt see it before forgive my blindness

[viscid ridge]

Im pretty sure thats just a wheel for all the elevators in that room, but i think i know what the wheel in that huntress bug room is

I think its probably a spindle maybe this bug used the silk that is piled up at the bottom of the room to upgrade hornets cloak

[viscid ridge]

What area are you guys looking for?

[thick canyon]

About Silk, i Dont know if its Silk or smth else but theres alot of silkspools in hidden station?

[dense topaz]

Guys how do i beat this boss, i've been stuck on him for 30 minutes

[eternal gazelle]

#sk-help

and spoiler the image when you get there

in 9 fuckin days

[thick canyon]

Very funny and original

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, so my theory is she uses the spidle to upgrade the cloak, the silk at the bottom of her room seems to be cocoons, which in the old days, is how they got their hands on silk.

They would harvest used silk cocoons, bring them back in the silk road, and then use a spindle to turn them into fibres

[spark valve]

it couldn't be a spindle

this is incapable of spinning it's not a wheel at all

[thick canyon]

Yeah but what makes me wonder is why is there so much Silk in hidden station. That's right next to the palace grounds.

[viscid ridge]

I have a gut feeling it spins in some way, we'll just have to see

[spark valve]

there's silk in hidden station because the deepnest and hidden stations were used to transport silk from deepnest to the palace for use in the king's experiments

[viscid ridge]

It seems the pale king used silk for some reason, probably in the creation of seals for the hollow knight

[eternal gazelle]

seals and IMO kingsmould parts

[spark valve]

in any case if this moves at all it's a hatch, but it could just be something the bug built to climb on

[eternal gazelle]

yeah it looks like a dreamcatcher to me

[viscid ridge]

Im also pretty sure (just a theory of mine) that the pale king used silk to weave a seal of binding along the hollow knights shell, cause he seems resistant to the dreamnail, until hornet helps us out

[spark valve]

it would not stop the dream nail

[viscid ridge]

It does, if you try and dreamnail hollow knight, or pure vessel it bounces off

[spark valve]

that is not because of a seal

[viscid ridge]

Only when hornet gives us an opportunity can we dreamnail him

[viscid ridge]

Yeah im aware, its just my personal theory, in no way is it canon

[spark valve]

there is no seal on the shell, pk cannot make a seal the awoken dream nail can't bypass or else we wouldn't be able to get into the white palace in the first place

[viscid ridge]

Yeah

Remember its just a theory of mine

But id also like you to explain your opinion why the nail doesnt effect the knight?

[midnight reef]

I guessed it was some strange mechanism for a loom or something

[spark valve]

it doesn't really look like a loom of any sort

[midnight reef]

Yeha thats the issue

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i speculated it might be a spindle

[midnight reef]

A spindle makes some sense, its not like Team Cherry does realistically designed machinery

[spark valve]

it doesn't have an axle it's not a spindle

[midnight reef]

Yeah, thats the big issue with that lol

[viscid ridge]

Trust it spins, have faith

[spark valve]

that would be a very dumb design

[midnight reef]

Im guessing then that its just a cage or some place of worship?

[spark valve]

could be a hatch, there's obviously an opening above

[midnight reef]

The Huntress is also protecting her eggs, no? Maybe this is their father..?

The bug shown, the horns are wrong for the Huntress, unless she got a redesign

[spark valve]

the body is also wrong

[eternal gazelle]

what are we some kind of male huntress

some kind of huntresser

[midnight reef]

oh true, they're not the right shape to be related to the Huntress

[viscid ridge]

To me it seems like a wheel contained within a bigger wheel or cage, so i think the inner wheel might be used to produce strands of silk

[midnight reef]

They're not bipedal

[viscid ridge]

Im also wondering have we seen any items that are compareble to vessel fragments to upgrade the ammount of silk hornet can contain?

[midnight reef]

The only similarity is the face shape

[terse wadi]

Huntresstristrisser

[viscid ridge]

They look similar, but also have a lot of differences, so we'll have to see what their deal is in the game

[spark valve]

that's also not a perfect match

[eternal gazelle]

maybe not perfect but not many of these motherfuckers have nostrils

[viscid ridge]

Same vibe as the machine from Cloudy with a chance of meatballs

[spark valve]

sure that's a similarity

[viscid ridge]

This comparison would be invalid anyway, because literally every other bug in pharloom has this same face 😅

[viscid ridge]

I lowkey know its nostrils but it always registers as a mustache in my brain 🤣

[terse wadi]

Oui oui

[viscid ridge]

French bugs

[sinful nimbus]

It could just not be hitting where its mind is

Or THK is redirecting it or something explaining the clink

[eternal gazelle]

I don't even actually think it's nostrils because they're bugs

could be like, mandibles

[terse wadi]

Bro, we're long past "They're bugs"

[viscid ridge]

Probably like antenna or mandibles, but im pretty sure they are nostrils in the world of hollow knight

[eternal gazelle]

an antenna is just an outie nostril

I think I need to go to bed

[faint pelican]

naw it just needs to wipe its face off

[viscid ridge]

Cause we have a lit of bugs who actually have mustaches, and they move, while these holes dont

[faint pelican]

ate its lunch too fast

[terse wadi]

Drank too much Choccy Milk

[viscid ridge]

Pff

Lmao i just watched a video about how people need to have realistic expectations for silksong, and this was one of the comments 😭

[gilded beacon]

Milksong!?

[viscid ridge]

Its been a long time since i heard that name (with over exaggerated texan accent) 🤠

[gilded beacon]

I read this with Arthur Morgan's voice

[viscid ridge]

We all do

[terse wadi]

I liked calling it Ballow Knight Milkbong

[viscid ridge]

Hollow knight if it was made by the sims 😭

[gilded beacon]

Every area would be a 30$ DLC that breaks your safe, but at least now we can have dogs!! 🫩

[terse wadi]

Sims DLC is for dedicated players

Who don't play a lot of other games

[gilded beacon]

even if it's good content they somehow manage to fuck up everyone's games and families, and lots of the DLC content should be in the base game, tf you mean I gotta pay to have a calendar??

Thankfully TC makes free DLCs, even if they cost money it would be worth it

Also, didn't they say something about already working on a DLC??

[terse wadi]

Lmao

[terse wadi]

I think so

[gilded beacon]

It's not a joke, there's so many DLCs that the game takes ages to load before overheating your computer, gamer computers mind you

[gilded beacon]

What do you think it would be?

Maybe like the Lifeblood update

[terse wadi]

We already have lifeblood in silksong

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, but I mean the Lifeblood update in HK with quality of life improvements