sk-lore

[spark valve]

seems to be how they tried to use the silver ones though it uh didn't work amazingly

[viscid ridge]

Oh yeah the bell description i remember

[balmy reef]

It’s this odd thing where you have to fight the beast to tame it

[gilded beacon]

This one looks like an up arrow for Hornet to climb up fast

[balmy reef]

So I wonder if it’s an old transport bug gone feral, or if it can just burrow between places in the bells

[balmy reef]

that’s a bench

[viscid ridge]

Yeah thats what makes me curious, cause if hornet had to fight to tame her fast travel, why does the citizens use it?

[balmy reef]

look at the little triangle in the middle of the bench symbol

it’s the same

[gilded beacon]

Nope benches have big red markings

[real crater]

It might be just how bell beasts are feral and their handlers might just have died

[balmy reef]

see the triangle?

It’s covered up by the silver pin but you can see through the middle

[viscid ridge]

Does anyone have any idea what the hunters march may be? Do we have any footage of what it may look like?

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, but why hide a bench then? Lol

[carmine blade]

Bell shrine bench. Isnt that the start point of the demo?

[balmy reef]

idk, why hide the beast stations

[spark valve]

it could be that the holy benches are marked differently on the map, idr isn't that where the deep dock demo starts

[gilded beacon]

Ants, there's a Carmelita statue

[balmy reef]

TC’s weird

[viscid ridge]

Idk

[gilded beacon]

See the Carmelita statue

[balmy reef]

Yeah

[gilded beacon]

Also the red was a dead giveaway

[balmy reef]

My guess is it’ll be another fealty type situation like the fountain in ancient basin

[viscid ridge]

Hmm that seem very likely, but i never thought they would be called the hunters

[gentle aspen]

They can scrap

That or this bell beast situation is a new one brought on by the curse

[spark valve]

(it's for sure this)

[balmy reef]

This was the most interesting clip from the new set

[gilded beacon]

Kinda weird ngl, but still makes sense, the area overlaps with The Marrow and The Far Fields, as we've seen ants in those places

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i was wondering about that guy too, probably related to the huntress

[balmy reef]

Wonder if they just fully changed the huntress’s area, or if she appears in multiple spots

[gilded beacon]

I'd say full change

[gentle aspen]

Saying this again

Ts looks like a dreamcatcher

[real crater]

I wonder if the circular thing is like a dreamcatcher of some sort

[gentle aspen]

Essence confirmed chat

[spark valve]

violence

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i remember the ants being infar fieldz so thats where id figure they would be, not in their own area

[gilded beacon]

It's pretty small tho

[viscid ridge]

I think its just another character, i doubt they changed the huntress area

[gilded beacon]

Maybe the Ants have their own area and they are also roaming other ateas

[viscid ridge]

Yeah kinda like mantis village

[spark valve]

the horns are actually pretty different (and body) but it could be a redesign

[gilded beacon]

Huntress sister

[balmy reef]

this is my reference

[gilded beacon]

Exactly what I expected

[balmy reef]

I guess it’s different yeah

[spark valve]

they are certainly similar but they're not the same

[balmy reef]

Yeah maybe there’s multiple

I could see redesign as well

[viscid ridge]

Yeah they are definitely 2 different characters

[real crater]

Might be huntress has a clan or smth?

[spark valve]

could be

though in that case the differences still feel odd

[gilded beacon]

Didn't the huntress mention her children?

[balmy reef]

hmmm

good shout

[gilded beacon]

Maybe that's the reason why it's smaller

[real crater]

Could be a younger member

[gilded beacon]

Maybe they are hiding from her mother

[gentle aspen]

I mean

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, but this thing seems way to big to be her babies? Idk it looks off

[gentle aspen]

She does have a number of egglike things at the bottom

[real crater]

Animal species often change the curvature of their horns when they grow up

[gentle aspen]

that or silk balls

salls

[spark valve]

I mean the lack of wings and different body shape and potentially different number of legs?

[viscid ridge]

I think their related in some way, maybe a spouse or a sibling or something

[spark valve]

it's possible but it's a weird number of things to change

[gilded beacon]

She's already pretty big, it could be her oldest child or smth

[balmy reef]

we don’t know how old huntress is

she could have grown children

[real crater]

Are those wings cause I thought that was a cloak also different body shape isn't that big of a deal

[gilded beacon]

She could have grown kids and still call them "her babies"

[gentle aspen]

diff bodyshape is kinda a big deal actually

[gilded beacon]

Malnourished huntress

[spark valve]

cloaks are wings most of the time

[viscid ridge]

Lots of bugs in hollow knight has that sort of cloak things, my opinion is that they are like elytras, "wings" but they dont use them as wings

Like the cloak is part of their bodies

[real crater]

Maybe I hope we get some bug anatomy lore

[terse wadi]

Ari and wilbo run by rule of cool

[viscid ridge]

Maybe we are over thinking this and these characters have literally nothing to do with eachother

[real crater]

Also have considered the new hunteress to actually be male or a sub species of huntress

[gilded beacon]

It's fairly common in nature to males to be smaller than females

[viscid ridge]

Maybe a male, but i think a male would have a similar body structure

[gilded beacon]

But he would probably end up like Leg Eater

[viscid ridge]

This thing looks completely different apart from maybe the head

[real crater]

It is similar it's just slimmer on the upper area

And no cloak

[spark valve]

it also has a different number of limbs in different positions

[balmy reef]

In this case it might just be a cloak

[spark valve]

and the upper area has an entire extra segment huntress doesn't have it's not just thinner

[balmy reef]

They’re clearly supposed to be the same species at the very least

I feel like it’s very possible this is just a redesign

[spark valve]

it could be a redesign

[real crater]

I mean irl bugs of same species but different gender have more drastic changes and considering they look so similar in design it could either be a redesign or a male huntress

[balmy reef]

I do generally prefer this new design

If it is that

[gentle aspen]

I don’t

She needs to be bigger

[spark valve]

it's more interesting

[balmy reef]

Although there’s something really cool about walking into a room and talking to such an imposing figure just sitting there

[gilded beacon]

Me too ngl, looks more like a silent assassin than a giant brute

[balmy reef]

the size is off yeah

[real crater]

It feels more huntery in vibe like it is stalking u the old huntress felt like a pal in the woods

[balmy reef]

but the design itself is better imo

I think Ari has been making all the eyes bigger and more cartoony over time

you look at the first images of the dreamer masks, the eyes are tiny

[real crater]

Fits with the less drab and dreary vibe of silksong

[spark valve]

I mean in HK the eyes were also pretty cartoony I'm not sure that trend is consistent across dev of both games

[viscid ridge]

I really hope this stupid looking bug apears somewhere in the game, i know she was replaced by another bug but they should atleast use her somewhere else

[gilded beacon]

Bring her back

I love her so much

[balmy reef]

double french mustache lookin bug

[viscid ridge]

Have yall also noticed that all the merchants have one of those little bells you find at sime shops or restaurants

I just think thats a really neat detail

[gilded beacon]

It's cute ngl

[viscid ridge]

Ive also always been wondering what exactly this bug will do?

[real crater]

Sell things most probably

[viscid ridge]

Like it looks like a shop, but i have no clue what servaces the could offer

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but idk

[real crater]

Looks like a general store ngl

Could be for selling crafting supplies like berries etc

[viscid ridge]

Now that im looking at them both side by side

[balmy reef]

I prefer the new bug

[viscid ridge]

Their bodies look exactly the same, it just looks like its the same bug that wears a mask?

[real crater]

New bug looks like it could get swindled

[balmy reef]

The artstyle has been really refined

[real crater]

They really added so much more colour to pharloom

[rocky flare]

to think all of silksong is hand drawn by a single person… that’s just insane

[balmy reef]

lotta sneaky copy paste

[rocky flare]

where

[spark valve]

Something something asset reuse ragebait

[spark valve]

They can reuse a lot of environmental stuff

[real crater]

I mean asset reuse is good I don't want everything to have different assets I don't have that much space

[rocky flare]

that’s right but still

[spark valve]

If Ari didn’t make every blade of grass unique game sucks

[real crater]

I mean what's the point of having basically infinite money

[gentle aspen]

meth

[carmine blade]

Just out in the open like that?

Fuck

Meant to reply to joker

[spark valve]

Meth is legal in Pharloom when in Rome

[real crater]

Do as the pharloomians did?

[carmine blade]

The haunting is just mass meth addiction

[spark valve]

A bong that’s just a saxophone or something

[real crater]

I have seen that before

[spark valve]

Brass instruments actually are kinda weirdly absent aren’t they

[gentle aspen]

they used all their brass on bells

also you forgot ass jim himself is a trumpet

[real crater]

And those statues we see in the background

[gilded beacon]

Garmond also uses a trumpet

He uses it to impale his enemies instead of using it to play music

[spark valve]

He doesn’t

It’s a flute or clarinet or something

[gilded beacon]

Well yeah

Kinda looks like a Soprano Saxophone

[viscid ridge]

You know who is a character im really excited to see?

The mossy cauldron guy

Where has he gone?

[gilded beacon]

In the right small room

[vestal swan]

Soup

[gilded beacon]

He's gone out to the soup store

Probably to buy clothes, the moss cloaks are out of fashion

[vestal swan]

I was going to say he is the soup but your answer is much better

[gilded beacon]

Thanks

What do you think his soup would taste like?

[real crater]

Like moss

[gilded beacon]

That's pretty mossed up ngl

[terse wadi]

I forgor is Hive night infected or high on copium

[vestal swan]

Infected

The Hive is completely infected it just doesn't seem different for them because they already follow a hive mind hierarchy

[lapis creek]

if you're curious this is confirmed in an ama and the familiarity part is implied by a whispering root

[terse wadi]

They're just fiercely loyal to Vespa so it could've been copium but yeah infection

[random harbor]

Whispering Root: The Hive

...Hardened tribe...
...Light familiar...

@tammo6424 used /whispering-roots name: The Hive

[gilded beacon]

So nothing changed for them, huh?

[spare relic]

How did y'all get the map

[gilded beacon]

I wish that the hive was bigger

[terse wadi]

Well, except for the fact they don't really even know Vespa is dead

[gilded beacon]

Why did Vespa die tho?

[terse wadi]

dunno

[gilded beacon]

It's ever said and I missed it?

So Vespa died, but because they were infected into Radiance's hive mind they didn't realize?

Maybe Vespa would rather kill herself than become infected

[terse wadi]

You can visit her ghost

I forgor what she says though

[gilded beacon]

I Know

But we never know why she dead

[real crater]

Trailer

[gilded beacon]

She says :

My Knight... At last you are freed.
Small thing. I know your kind.
If you attempt to resolve your past then know I am not the queen you seek.
It is the pale beings that bear blame for your nature.
Though this hive exists within Hallownest, we play no part in its attempt at perpetuation.

She knew about the void and the Vessels

[vestal swan]

She's basically saying she was approached to help with the plan and decided to completely seal herself off with her people instead of doing anything to fight the radiance

I think there's another line that's like mocking the attempt to fight nature? Pretty sure that was her line

[gilded beacon]

Yes, thats the exhausted dialogue

She accepted the hive and her own end, opposite of the Pale King, maybe that's the reason of why she's dead

[gilded beacon]

To rail against nature is folly. All things must accept an end.

[vestal swan]

I mean the infection can keep things alive, if she accepted it she would still be there but she also didn't have bloated body parts so she didn't resist it if it ever targeted her either

The fact that she grew to be like Kaiju level is not because of the infection

[terse wadi]

It still amuses me that HK's events are because Radiance is malding that her people were literally moths to another flame

[vestal swan]

Well it's not just that I mean they're like intentionally tried to forget her and erase her, like simply going to join another kingdom wouldn't have fucked over the radiance. Forgetting the god that literally made you and erasing your own history after generations did

[gilded beacon]

Imagine if all your people cheated on you

I would be mad too ngl

[terse wadi]

idk if relationship between worshipper and deity is as convential as marriages

[terse wadi]

Yeah ik, I was oversimplifying it because it's funny

*Conventional

[gilded beacon]

HK has unconventional relationships, Root + Worm, Worm + Spider,
Dracula + dead kid

[supple blade]

who is

[gilded beacon]

Pretty messed up if you ask me

[supple blade]

"ass jim"

[vestal swan]

Dracula and the dead kid is not a relationship

[terse wadi]

It's more like a cult ritual

[gilded beacon]

You two have a child and he never becomes responsible for it

[vestal swan]

The nightmare heart created it you just feed it while you take it on a stroll

[terse wadi]

^

[vestal swan]

And the father can obviously never raise the child because he's going to be fed to it

[terse wadi]

Grimm is basically a phoenix

[vestal swan]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh

[terse wadi]

The cycle of death and rebirth

[vestal swan]

Grimm is basically a 3D print of The nightmare hearts OC

[gilded beacon]

Phoenix don't eat themselves

[vestal swan]

Is handcrafting its own avatar and the new one has to eat the old one so the connection can be made

[terse wadi]

True, but the grimm child is basically a phoenix cycle for a new grimm

[terse wadi]

Bugs don't have magic what's your point

[vestal swan]

A phoenix doesn't have two living bodies at the same time

[terse wadi]

Fine, it's Phoenix NG+

[gilded beacon]

Now we're talking

We probably won't get any new Grimm Troupe lore

[vestal swan]

Yeah they eat dead kingdoms, pharloom isn't completely dead, yet

[supple blade]

im sorry i know im interrupting but who is ass jim

[vestal swan]

It's a chunky character from one of the early trailers that literally throws his ass around to fight

[balmy reef]

the goat

[terse wadi]

[supple blade]

oh the candle guy

[vestal swan]

Candle?

[supple blade]

he has a lot of candles in the background of his boss room

leading some to speculate he's a candlemaker

[gilded beacon]

Yes, someone theorized that he uses fat to make candles

[terse wadi]

His fat or others fat

[supple blade]

guess we'll have to find out

[gilded beacon]

Both

[supple blade]

he's certainly not lacking in cake tho

[gilded beacon]

Damn

[spark valve]

given that they're butchering bugs
probably using their fat

[gilded beacon]

That's just his hobby, he loves butchering bugs

[supple blade]

I thought his hobby was making candles

[terse wadi]

Murder is a crazy hobby

[terse wadi]

that's his job

[supple blade]

well does he like his job

[gilded beacon]

Ask the huntress

[supple blade]

or the hunter

[terse wadi]

The hunter is just getting snacks it's different

Everybody's gotta eat

[gilded beacon]

Even her children

[supple blade]

Wait the huntress has children?

[terse wadi]

Cannibilism is common among bugs

So is infanticide

[gilded beacon]

It's giving Pale King vibes

[gilded beacon]

Yes, she mentions waiting for her offspring

[supple blade]

I'm missing out

[gilded beacon]

In the 2020 riddles they showed a NPC with a bit of dialogue from the NPC

[terse wadi]

Well when there's billions probably trillions of bugs, what's the loss of a few to them

[gilded beacon]

| |I
|| |_

[terse wadi]

Ban this person

[vestal swan]

The huntress is probably storing up food to feed to her children when they hatch, iirc there's a pile of eggs behind her

[gilded beacon]

Completely deserved

[gilded beacon]

Maybe to avoid being eaten by her own kids

[vestal swan]

That's an amusing possibility

[gilded beacon]

It's fairly normal for bugs

[terse wadi]

Every living thing is potential food to bugs

[vestal swan]

Yeah but you expect most of them to be able to feed their children properly if they're you know sentient

I mean it's not a grub father situation

🔥🔥🔥

[terse wadi]

We still don't know if Grubfather is cocooning them for gruberfly metamorphasis or not

[vestal swan]

I hope my guess about feeding her the fleas is correct I want a branching path quest line

[supple blade]

you monster

[vestal swan]

We do the achievement tells us they are

[terse wadi]

Perhaps he's making the ultimate sacrifice or he just eats his kids idk

[vestal swan]

They're going to eat him

[terse wadi]

Free snack

[gilded beacon]

How would grubs taste?

[vestal swan]

Go outside and find out

[terse wadi]

I think he means HK grubs

And I think limeade

[high violet]

i walked into ss-lore into this and chuckled

[gilded beacon]

I can't, my frail pale skin would disintegrate if touched by the sun

[high violet]

why are you guys asking how grubs taste

[vestal swan]

Well thanks to the Hunter we have unnecessary commentary on how a lot of things taste

[pseudo lily]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[real crater]

Are grubs only found in hallownest or like a worldwide phenomenon

[gilded beacon]

To prove that Grubfather was right all along

[high violet]

apparently grubs are pretty yummy according to my friend

if theyre cooked right

[real crater]

Nobody needed to know that why did tc add that in the game

[vestal swan]

Well there's an old probably cut content thing that came with the grub plushies called the pet care guide that implies bugs found them popular as pets when they are children. And I don't think that would be exclusive to one Kingdom

[gilded beacon]

I like them rare tbh

[high violet]

yeah theyre nice rare too

but you can make some really good marinate with it too

anyway ive had grasshoppers as well but they taste gross

[vestal swan]

Fried or chocolate-coated, or like barbecued

[real crater]

Probably chocolate covered to cover up the saline taste

[high violet]

fried

[gilded beacon]

In France they eat grasshoppers with chocolate

[real crater]

With a side of Nutella?

[high violet]

honestly doesnt sound that bad but i dont like chocolate that much

[vestal swan]

I'm curious how those huge bbq/fried ones taste I see sometimes, I had chocolate covered ones when I was a kid from my well-traveled friend in the second grade

[pseudo lily]

Common France L

[gilded beacon]

As always

[quartz salmon]

i think just salt would make them good enough
chocolate would be gross

[terse wadi]

Tism time, France has the most W's in history of any country in warfare

Their leader in WWll was an idiot

[gilded beacon]

I think that the jelly fishes of Fog canyon must be great as a side dish, like bread doesn't taste like anything but you can mix it with anything

[quartz salmon]

definately not the best tasting thing you can eat in france as far as weird foods go

theres frog legs too for example

[terse wadi]

tastes like Chicken

[gilded beacon]

Also snails

[terse wadi]

Disgustang

[quartz salmon]

everything tastes like chicken if you will it to

[quartz salmon]

id say snails arent that weird of a food

most high end places have it

[terse wadi]

Texture bad

[gilded beacon]

In France there's a food that's banned by the EU

[real crater]

Is it the cheese?

[gilded beacon]

It's Ortolan drowned in alcohol

A bird

[pseudo lily]

Oh I remember that Sam O’Nella video

[real crater]

Yeah that should be banned

[gilded beacon]

In Italy they have Mag n' Cheese (maggot filled cheese)

[pseudo lily]

Fun fact: that dish is historically eaten while your face is under a napkin to hide from God.

[gilded beacon]

Even they know how awful it is

[terse wadi]

that's France

[gilded beacon]

And still do ir

[terse wadi]

Unless Italy has its own version

[gilded beacon]

It's called "Casu Marzu"

[terse wadi]

Ngl, I might try it if they take the maggots out after

The cheese is supposedly very soft

[gilded beacon]

In Sardinia

[gilded beacon]

They put the cheese inside a bag to let the maggots asfixiate, and then eat it

[gilded beacon]

Yes, because the maggots chew it

Can't wait for food lore in silksong

[raven condor]

Curious as to if this is a new character, or a character redesign.

[surreal stump]

wait where is that first image from :0? i remember the second clip at least

[raven condor]

New trailer footage from PlayStation!

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ "SHANKA" "Shast" "Haaaaaaah"

[surreal stump]

ouuhhh cool i had no idea about these clips, thanks!!

[surreal stump]

im more inclined to believe its a character redesign maybe? the head shape is basically the same, along with the body segments, and theres a pile of corpses in both rooms 🧐

wait i just noticed the new image character has multiple legs,,, fascinating

[raven condor]

Also the cloak is a cloak, so it could come back on

Anyhow, if we get to actually see them hunt, that would pimp

[quartz salmon]

The horns are different but they are definately the same species

Not the same character tho
One is the Huntress, surrounded by the prey she has caught as well as her eggs while this one hangs alone from the ceiling... seemingly tending to something that looks like a dream catcher generating silk and below it a bed of silk worms ?

[surreal stump]

ohh i thought that was a pile of dust below them, not silkworms LOL 😭

[raven condor]

Could be the huntresses larvae

Seems smaller as well. Guys hear me out, could be the husband.

[quartz salmon]

thats probably it

but these are her eggs so no the worms are not (her) larvae

[raven condor]

Could have changed in 3 years

[surreal stump]

the dream catcher stands out to me the most as a character difference,,, either way, very very interested in that bit. curious to see how much dreams affect pharloom as opposed to hallownest!

[quartz salmon]

its always a possibility but she doesnt look like that type of bug to have wormy little kids

[gilded beacon]

It could be her offspring

[vestal swan]

hmmmmm

[quartz salmon]

yeah i said its possible but not likely

ask yourself if you were the huntress would you be laying huge eggs that have little worms in them?

doesnt make a lot of sense

[surreal stump]

much to consider

[green charm]

Redesign, probably

The head’s like exactly the same

[vestal swan]

It's quite literally not the same

[foggy fractal]

eyes are bigger, horns are different

[quartz salmon]

It's a pretty different concept ones a mother sitting on her eggs the other's alone on top of a contraption

[real crater]

Also the body is different

[foggy fractal]

also the cloak is gone

[raven condor]

More legs

Guess we’ll find out in 10 days

[quartz salmon]

It may be the father I like that theory

[raven condor]

I like it too

[gilded beacon]

What's with HK and bad parents??

[vestal swan]

Okay so one option is we feed her corpses one option is we feed her fleas and the third option is we feed her to another of her species

[foggy fractal]

noooo

[sinful nimbus]

No eating will commence

Grubfather ripoff

[gilded beacon]

Fourth option: bug buffet

[vestal swan]

Fifth option they team up and try to eat hornet

[foggy fractal]

Sixth option is Hornet eats them

[gilded beacon]

Seventh option: all become vegan and no one eats no one

[vestal swan]

So they go eat the plant people and the moss deer, option 7

[gilded beacon]

Yeah

[foggy fractal]

No, I won't allow it. 🐺

[gilded beacon]

Moss druid makes soup for everyone

[real crater]

8th option everyone sings Hakuna matata

[gilded beacon]

And eat bugs?

[real crater]

No eating just Hakuna matata

[gilded beacon]

That's better

[vestal swan]

Huntress quest line ideas

• we feed her kills or bring them to her for her eggs when they hatch
• bring her fleas for the same reason
• we betray her and feed her and or her children to another of her species
• she's just a connoisseur (and everyone who is not being eaten is sharing the food)
• they team up and eat hornet
• hornet eats them
• everybody goes vegan and they eat the plant bugs like the moss deer
• nobody eats they all starve
• she fattens herself up and feeds herself to her children

One of these has to be right

[real crater]

Or huntress has no quest and is just a normal npc

[vestal swan]

That's boring toss yourself into the volcano

[gilded beacon]

Big buffet: she's just experimenting with all the flavours and sensations that Pharloom has to offer

[real crater]

Real theory huntress quest might just be the hunt quests

[gilded beacon]

Like gourmand's quest in Rain World

[vestal swan]

Ew

[gilded beacon]

🙁

In the buffet ending she shares her food with everyone in a big buffet

[stark marlin]

yeah i feel like shell be more of a lore dumper

[gilded beacon]

Lore about what?

Food lore?

Unless she's like the hunter who apparently knows about void, the king's mold etc

[vestal swan]

The same kind of lore dump the hunter gave us

The hunter doesn't know about those things

There's a lot of things in the Hunter's journal that are not written by the Hunter it's just the game fourth wall breaking its way into your brain

Some of them are literally signed by other characters like Seer

[gilded beacon]

I see

Yeah

My bad

[vestal swan]

He just likes tasty things and doing drugs

And he thinks the infection is spicy

[foggy fractal]

this deserves a pin lowkey.

[stark marlin]

hes my kinda guy

[gilded beacon]

He also talks a bit about soul and if it has taste

[vestal swan]

Sort of he comments how fresher food is better which is about the same as saying the more alive they are the better

But he also says things like bring maggots with you for trail mix and slow roasting them is good

[sage flame]

What animals are confirmed to be in the Coral areas so far?

[gilded beacon]

I hope that we see crabs

[spark valve]

we've seen some crab things and a bug with a shield and mace

[sage flame]

I think crabs would fit nicely

[spark valve]

and some flying 'fish' in the background

[gilded beacon]

Also barnacles

[vestal swan]

It wouldn't be the first flying fish

[gilded beacon]

If this game has an Hermit crab then is peak

[sage flame]

I can see areas in the coral being bared off early game because you need something to breath in water

[spark valve]

the area isn't actually underwater

[vestal swan]

That's what I thought Susie smoocher was at first but they don't really have a shell they have a backpack

[gilded beacon]

I thought that Nuu was a shelless oyster/clam because of the lips

[sage flame]

I think it would be a missed opportunity to not have a water section in the coral

How is all of the coral surviving above water anyways

[spark valve]

if you want a hermit crab you got this guy

[terse wadi]

He's a hermit

[sinful nimbus]

He has a name you know

[gilded beacon]

It would prolly be like Fig Canyon where it's not under water but it has jellies

[vestal swan]

I forgot he existed lowkey

[terse wadi]

dunno if he's a crab yet

[gilded beacon]

Reminds me about Lemm

[spark valve]

no he doesn't he is beneath regard

[sage flame]

Ant colony is cool

[terse wadi]

didn't someone call him poop hermit one time because his shell looks like a pile of shit

[gilded beacon]

Also he looks like if he had a poop on his head

[sage flame]

I predict the ant colony having a similar gimmick to the mantises where they stop attacking you after you beat the queen.

Or that could not be the case like what happened with the bees

[terse wadi]

You don't really beat the queen in the Hive, you beat Hive Knight

[gilded beacon]

It's a whole area called "Hunter's March"

[midnight reef]

Idea- the new long bug we see in the new 3 seconds of footage

[midnight reef]

Are they the reason theres the weird black tentical sprites in Hornets spritesheet?

[gilded beacon]

Probably an enemy that envelops Hornet and thus the dark tentacles

[midnight reef]

ah yeah, no

The new bug has the section lines (some form of worm, maybe?)

[gilded beacon]

Can you send a pic?

[midnight reef]

Very cool that there are still charaters that we havent seen, watched Stizzl's Video and I like the idea that they're the relic hunter

seems to be the right building in Bellhart

[sage flame]

I’m pretty sure we haven’t even seen an area high up in Pharloom yet

I’m pretty sure all we have seen are lower areas

[midnight reef]

We've seen some, but its really sparse and we cant connect any of it

[gilded beacon]

All areas in the map are in the lower part

[midnight reef]

and theres lower areas that we still have no idea how they connect, like the desert

[gilded beacon]

Outside of Pharloom, in the out skirts

[midnight reef]

Like in the map we just got, theres least 2 areas off to the left we cant see, and maybe 1 off to the right we cant see

[sage flame]

What did the desert look like again?

[gilded beacon]

The bottom one ends in "Ways" and what seems to be an "M"

[midnight reef]

It just seems to be how Barnacle Cay and Far Fields move that implies one more area around there

shit

[midnight reef]

no its Craw Lake, whoops
...forgot that was a fan name

[gilded beacon]

We've only seen the left bottom part

Also i think that the Barnacles would be over Grey moor, since it rains in Greymoor and the Barnacle area has water, kinda like blue lake

[midnight reef]

yes

its called Craw Lake
far right of the map

[gilded beacon]

That's a PoI not a whole Area

[midnight reef]

Nothing that we've seen implies that theres a whole area

and as far as it seems, baracle bay is just a sub area of Greymoor, on the right end of it

[vestal swan]

Holy shit do we have an actual worm character

[midnight reef]

"worm"

Its another bug, that just looks like a worm
its got proper limbs, and antenna, it seems

[vestal swan]

Yeah I know they have arms be quiet

[midnight reef]

But fucking hell I love their design

[gilded beacon]

I love that new npc, he's so cool

[midnight reef]

They look so dapper

[haughty tide]

guys the russian guy said that he wont make a mobile ver of the game
so ik some arabs planning to make a mobile version of the game
if u are a dev and want to help dm me

[gilded beacon]

I would kiss them

[digital hemlock]

tramways?

[midnight reef]

But I do wonder, how many kinds of animal have we seen...

Insects, Arachnids, and Molusks, and Cnidarians

[gilded beacon]

I've also thought of that, can't think of any other "MWAYS" word

[gilded beacon]

Jellyfishes too

[midnight reef]

oh yeah, them too

Silksong doesnt seem to have actually added any new types of bugs

[gilded beacon]

That we've seen of

[midnight reef]

or animals, however you want to call it

Like, even the fish in the Choral Reef are bugs

Fun fact, no matter where you go, if theres life in the water your going to see fish! the laws of hydrodynamics do not change, so a fish's body plan would be very common

[gilded beacon]

Same with crabs

[midnight reef]

No, not with crabs

[gilded beacon]

I love crabs, I wish I could be a crab

[midnight reef]

Crabs are an earth thing

[gilded beacon]

I'm taking about how everything evolves into crabs

[midnight reef]

designed just by how life evolved on earth, the fact that multiple crustaceans evolved into crabs is because they all started as crustaceans

[sage flame]

Isn’t the map supposed to be double the size of Hollownest

[midnight reef]

roughly

thats just a guess by Hornets increased size, and her increased speed

[sage flame]

It should also be noted that Hornet is a lot faster

[midnight reef]

I did a very rough guess of the map size compared to eachother 2 days ago

using Hornets height as a very, very rough messuring stick, I do not believe in the slightest that I got it accurate

[gilded beacon]

We need more crabs in silksong

[sage flame]

I hope we get a snake but that is unlikely

[gilded beacon]

Don't think so, sorry

[vestal swan]

Extremely unlikely

[midnight reef]

all we have seen very roughly falls under the label of "bug"

and other assorted small creepy-crawlies

[foggy fractal]

i am a creepy crawly hehehe

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, don't think that we'll see any mammals or reptiles

[north dagger]

Frog boss is possibly an amphibian

[gilded beacon]

I am a creepy craby

[midnight reef]

no, it has wings and 6 legs

[gilded beacon]

Still has wings and four legs, probably a made up bug

[sage flame]

Grimm was an owl

[midnight reef]

its a bug, just looks like a frog

[north dagger]

Nice catch

[sage flame]

Grimm wasn’t an owl?

[midnight reef]

...what
Grimm is a higher being, he doesnt count

[vestal swan]

I think that's the first time I've seen him called an owl but no

[gilded beacon]

Wings and legs

[midnight reef]

hes likely another made up bug

[vestal swan]

Grimm is a vessel made by the nightmare heart, it's supposed to be scary to bugs so it looks like a few things but it's not any of them

[gilded beacon]

He's closer to bat

[north dagger]

Nuu/unn are slugs

[vestal swan]

No?

[midnight reef]

still falls into this group of 4, regaurdless

[vestal swan]

Unn definitely looks the closest, Nuu not at all, but the only one that's actually called a slug is salubra

[midnight reef]

assumes that the snail shammans are actually snails, kinda

[sage flame]

Nnu is a slug, just like Unn

[rain pebble]

Nuu is supposed to look like a snail without a shell and their backpack looks like a shell but they might not actually be a snail or a slug

[north dagger]

They definitely look related to me slug or not

[rain pebble]

We have no way of knowing with so little info

[spark valve]

nuu is probably a kissing bug
I'll give you three guesses why

[sage flame]

Nuu is probably the same species as Unn

[vestal swan]

Not even remotely close try again

[foggy fractal]

first guess its that nuu is pink ?

[spark valve]

no you got two more

[foggy fractal]

FUCK uhhhhh

[lapis creek]

is it because of the anaphylaxis induced by their bites in sensitive and sensitized individuals

[foggy fractal]

because... Nuu... is a little fella .. ??

[spark valve]

correct, this is why hornet slaps them away, it was an attempt at killing her

[sage flame]

Why not? Unn was a slug like creature

[vestal swan]

Do you have eyes

[lapis creek]

nuu is a slug-like creature-like creature

[midnight reef]

Unn is a higher being, also

its not worth trying to place them as anything

[lapis creek]

but not the same kind of slug-like creature as the slug-like creature

[pallid iron]

and radiance was a moth so?

[lapis creek]

no but you know who does have eyes

[midnight reef]

"moth"

[sage flame]

Unn and Nuu have very similar names, it’s not a coincidence

[lapis creek]

hornet and phantom. the same kind in fact

[vestal swan]

Not even

[midnight reef]

Shes the god of the Moths, not a moth herself

[sage flame]

What do you mean?

[lapis creek]

their names are pretty close together you gotta admit

[midnight reef]

just because they have a similar name and are on an extreme surface look similar (look deeper, you'll see the problem) doesnt mean Unn and Nuu are the same species

[lapis creek]

i dont think that means anything

[crystal marsh]

she's a god of light, get it right

[pallid iron]

she looks moth-like, though? is it mentioned that unn was a slug, not just slug-like?

[crystal marsh]

yes iirc

[lapis creek]

how could anyone forget the forgotten god of light

[spark valve]

no

salubra is a slug salubra and unn are not the same species therefore unn is not a slug

[sage flame]

Nuu is obviously not a higher being I know that, but I’d imagine Nuu has something to do with it

[midnight reef]

unlikely

[vestal swan]

No

They aren't a plant

[midnight reef]

Unn is a regional god, like the Radience and Pale King

[vestal swan]

Regional as far as we know*

[midnight reef]

True

[vestal swan]

There could be another one or her reach could extend further than we know

Or this green plant life could be completely disconnected from a god altogether

[midnight reef]

it certainly doesnt extend very far durring Hollow Knight

Considering shes mostly dead

[vestal swan]

It did in the past, fungal and fog canyon took over parts of it

[midnight reef]

And the Pale King took a massive chunk from it

[vestal swan]

It's not mostly dead because she's not implied to be dying, she's just resting and into kind because her brain wave connection to her children was hijacked

They made a road through it but they didn't really take over it like the mushrooms and the fog canyon stuff did

Like you can still tell that it's greenpath

[midnight reef]

The Queens Gardens

[north dagger]

It is interesting that the only plant life in Hallownest (greenpath, fog canyon, formerly fungal wastes, queen’s gardens) is directly linked to Unn

[vestal swan]

The Queen's gardens is like a glorified gazebo

[midnight reef]

One of the lore tablets, "taken by wyrm, we will go there no longer"

its been way too long since I've read it myself lol

[vestal swan]

Well that's the only green plant life, there is other roots and things across the kingdom that are not tied to her

[north dagger]

Yep used to be mosskin’s territory

[foggy fractal]

just learned these things are ccalled gazebo wtf

[vestal swan]

Yeah but the plants are still hers and one of the other tablets says she stays connected

[midnight reef]

I've always assumed that only Greenpath and its related areas are Unn's doing

[spark valve]

not even

[midnight reef]

Any greenery elsewhere is probably just natural

[vestal swan]

No yeah the green life is attributed to her

[spark valve]

isma also has green flora

[vestal swan]

I'm talking about the things around outside of her influence that are not green

Like the pale grass and shit you seen all over the place

[spark valve]

green isn't special

[north dagger]

I wonder where the far fields/moss grotto/clover greenery has its source

[vestal swan]

That is a very strange outlier situation that we can't even be certain of, for all we know that is Unns daughter

[midnight reef]

its natural, likely

[spark valve]

that's not really inherently a mystery

[midnight reef]

Just been there

The thing that Unn did special was bring green plants to formerly baren caves, which then Mosskin arose out've

[north dagger]

True, pharloom is also a cave system though

[sage flame]

I’d imagine there are other kingdoms out there in the Hollow Knight world. We were told in Hollow Knight was the only kingdom but that is obviously not true

[sinful nimbus]

what

[spark valve]

fixating on the wrong part of the message

[midnight reef]

grasses grow everywhere in Hallownest

they're not green, but nothing stops green mosses from growing elsewhere without Unn

[vestal swan]

A root had kids with a wyrm I'm not going to question the possible offspring from god's okay

[sage flame]

Pharloom is most likely a costal kingdom.

[north dagger]

Very true

[midnight reef]

Im kinda sad we really dont know much on the White Ladies origin

[sage flame]

I can’t see the Coral Forest existing if it wasn’t next to the ocean

[midnight reef]

my only guess would be shes somehow related to the Fungals, something something mycelium

[sinful nimbus]

Why would you even suggest this as a possibility

[sage flame]

Pharloom is probably inside a hill/mountain

[midnight reef]

it is an ocean

Theres flying bug fish in it, logic need not apply.

[gilded beacon]

Nuu looks like a shelless clam to, me especially because of the mouth

[terse wadi]

Gonna be wild that a lot more bosses will talk to us before combat

[spark valve]

I guess that's not an unreasonable assumption

lace is the only one we've seen so far but it's plausible there will be more

[terse wadi]

I feel Carmalita will

Trobbio might

[foggy fractal]

Seth might

[spark valve]

carmelita and trobbio seem like the more likely candidates

seth seems like he's just there attacking shit constantly idk if he stops to chat

[half flax]

a question: the music on ss is produced by Camellia?

[foggy fractal]

I mean we do have that gif of him chillin on a rock without his cloak

[real crater]

No Chris larkin

[spark valve]

that's gotta be after the fight

the seth description at minimum implies he's been there fighting for a long time

[real crater]

I don't see that happening before the fight feels weird

[foggy fractal]

nah its by this guy https://x.com/composerlarkin https://www.youtube.com/@ComposerLarkin

Christopher Larkin (@composerlarkin) on X

I write music and make sound for games and film. Projects include Hollow Knight, Pacman 256, Expand, Adventures of Figaro Pho and others.

X

[spark valve]

An eternal protector, waiting amidst tangled roots at the base of the Citadel. He guards a secret long forgotten and will attack any who stray too close.
Imbued with stamina and strength beyond a normal bug, he strikes up close or from a distance with blinding speed. With unwavering devotion, this ancient guardian will fight until the very end, and beyond.
Many of the Citadel’s caste have fallen to this deadly warrior. Those who encounter him should turn back, or else prepare for a vicious battle.

[half flax]

damn

[spark valve]

to me that seems pretty inconsistent with finding him chilling somewhere prior to the fight

[foggy fractal]

fair

[half flax]

i thought it was toby fox also, like a collab or smth

[real crater]

Seems more likely he chills out after fighting

[real crater]

Hk was also Christopher larkin

[foggy fractal]

😭 why Toby ?

[terse wadi]

Toby and Chris should dio a collab their music would slap

[real crater]

[soft echo]

Hey This only has a vague connection to what you guys were just talking about but reading it all made me think of something. Green path is extremely overgrown and I don’t just mean with infection. Just normal leaves as well spread way farther than they were originally despite Unn getting weaker. Just based on what you were saying before, I feel like it’s possible that 1) The greenery in Pharloom could also be the dream of God. 2) the pale grass and hollow Knight is a result of the pale king just being there. Like the pale king didn’t make the grass intentionally, but it was a result of him existing in the same place for a long time. Just like how it’s not confirmed that giving bugs higher thought is something he directly does. Even after he is dead, Hallownest is a place that raises bugs intelligence just because the king was there. 3) and this is more of a possibility based on my first point than a theory, but if a higher being did create the greenery in Pharloom they might not even be alive/around anymore. The grass just needs one to dream it, not to keep it maintained.

[midnight reef]

Seth!

I love Seth, genuinely excited to see him in game

Its extremely sad that his creator never got to see him in game, least as far as we're aware,,,

[terse wadi]

Yeah he um, passed away

[real crater]

I hope he got to see an early version of seth

[terse wadi]

[foggy fractal]

Seth is gonna be one hell of a fight
Hornet didn't get a single hit in the gif it all got blocked

[half flax]

i aint reading allat bro

[midnight reef]

I hope TC let him play a beta build

[terse wadi]

I hope they told him what Seths role was in SS

[midnight reef]

yeah...

anyone have that Gif of the Seth Fight from the riddles back in 2020?

[soft echo]

Eh I figured

[terse wadi]

Bro missed the oppurtunity to say "I'm not reading all that but happy for you, or sorry that it happened"

[spark valve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/934137426270629959/1079234328745234512/Seth2_1.gif

[real crater]

That shield throw was cleeeeean

[midnight reef]

Thank You Tammo

[gilded beacon]

My theory is that the pale being that gives intelligence to the bugs of Pharloom is dying/dead and that is making people to go crazy, so avoid that someone is controlling everyone with silk threads

Probably conductor Romino

[midnight reef]

Seth my beloved, genuinely excited to be able to meet him in game
I trust TC to have made him a good tribute to the person who designed him

[foggy fractal]

has someone uploaded the gifs in video format

like on youtube or smth

[spark valve]

probably

[soft echo]

https://tenor.com/view/miguel-o'hara-stare-judging-gif-10802759583432975817

So you’re saying he’s is the only one that’s keeping everything together

No, but for real, though, I like your theory

[terse wadi]

Intelligence for bugs is hallownest thing specifically ones created by PK I think there's plenty of smart bugs outside of a HB's influence example the bugs from outside hallownest like Cornifer

I do like the dying HB theory though think we discussed that back in 2020-21

[twin otter]

whats HB

like what does that stand for

[soft echo]

I really hope we get to see multiple higher beings, I mean clearly the Pale King and Unn learned to cohabitate

[soft echo]

Higher Being

[twin otter]

OH OK TY

[spark valve]

I fw letting hallownest be the land of gods and just having like one or two hbs in pharloom tops

[vestal swan]

Cuz green

[terse wadi]

he stole her followers wym

[spark valve]

godseeker is pretty unambiguous in the density of hbs in hallownest being abnormal

[vestal swan]

What if pharloom just hates the concept of gods and hunted them all down and that's why there's a weird church with everybody wearing bells on their heads

[gilded beacon]

It is mainly based in Pharloom's Folly:

They see your beauty, so frail and fine, (refers to the flowers and the pale being that creates them)

They see your peace, woven of faith and toil,
(They use the power of the pale being )

They forget your heart, bound in slumber and servitude,
(Pale being dies)

When you wake they shall see your truth,
(Don't know about this, srry)

A beast's nature bare to all.
(Everyone becomes feral)

Conductor Romino is the one who wrote this poem , so he knows what is truly happening + conductors in music are the cones who conduct a song, a silk song if you will

In real life lotus flowers are able to produce vegetal silk, I think that the flowers that we see in Pharloom also can, but now they are all dying, so they kidnapp weavers instead

[soft echo]

Yeah, but unlike the radiance, they didn’t try to outright kill each other, plus the white lady and the pale king are higher beings and they…. got along just fine with each other.

[gilded beacon]

We know that silk has some short of way to canalize soul

[terse wadi]

I'm not saying HB's can't cooperate I'm just saying PK fucked over Unn

[soft echo]

And while they are classified as pale beings, they are clearly different types of Pale Beings

[spark valve]

not really?

[soft echo]

Nah you right and it’s not clear whether the titular path through green path is something that Unn did willingly or only because the pale king forced them to create it.

[gilded beacon]

My theory is that they exploited the HB for their flower silk and now is dying because of that

Seth is protecting the HB body from the bell cult

[terse wadi]

For HB's who gain strength from belief like Radiance and Unn losing your following is a big deal

[spark valve]

neither of them really work that way, radiance needs to be remembered but that's because she's a living idea, unn... doesn't need that nor did pk steal her followers or whatever

[gilded beacon]

It could mean even death, since The Radiance doesn't have a fiscal form

[soft echo]

I mean clearly, some sort of huge agreement was made to create the path. Which is actually just now making me think for the first time that the pale king and Unn probably meant face-to-face at some point. Which is pretty cool to think about.

[terse wadi]

Unn is literally supposed to call back the mosskin into her dream but she's too weak to right now, PK's beacon led them astray

[spark valve]

they still worship her based on their dnd that just isn't a thing that happened

[terse wadi]

I'm more curious about Queens Garden ngl

[next whale]

well there's nothing hinting towards that in the game, plus the pale kings dead so theres no reason it would grow because of him. it's just overgrown cause it's not tended for anymore, like they metion in queens gardens

[soft echo]

Yes, but I just mean that it could’ve initially grown because of him. And I know there’s nothing directly hinting towards it, but that’s just why it’s a theory. I’m really only basing this off the fact that unn created a lot of flora intentionally. Who’s to say the pale king didn’t make a little bit unintentionally and now it’s grown everywhere. But in the end of the day, it’s a mostly baseless theory

[terse wadi]

Who even tended to Green path and Queen's Gardens when Hallownest was still up and running

[vestal swan]

Why would you assume plants have grown further than they were originally when they very clearly were doing the opposite because she lost territory to three different things

[terse wadi]

^

[soft echo]

I mean, plants in general, I don’t take his word as gospel or anything, but I am basing this off. The fact that Mossbag has said in the past that green path used to be a lot smaller.

[next whale]

the bugs that lived there

[vestal swan]

That's incorrect that is literally backwards

[soft echo]

And again, I literally just thought about it right now, so I’m well aware of everything I say could be completely baseless. It’s just cool to make theories regardless.

[vestal swan]

In what horribly old video was that said

[soft echo]

Oh dang, is it?

If so, I’m actually really sorry for saying gibberish

[gilded beacon]

No prob

[next whale]

yeah cause most certainly the whole of greenpath was created by unn, theres a sign at the entrance from crossroads saying we enter her territory

[vestal swan]

Fungal Fog canyon and the area that is partially converted into Queens gardens all used to be Green path you can tell by the fact that fungal has things growing in buildings that match Greenpath/queen's garden areas and fog canyon is full of the same acid greenpath is and directly connected but being taken over by the jellyfish spreading. Also it would not make sense for greenpath to spread while the God responsible for it weakens and sleeps off a hangover

[gilded beacon]

Wait.... Unn created all the acid?

[vestal swan]

Also more evidence for the mushrooms spreading is that they pushed all the way to the Mantis door when their only big problem used to be deepnest

The fact that Unn can swim around in it and it fills up the entire biome where the plants are seems to imply that she's heavily connected to it, we can't say for sure that she made it but it would be really weird if she just happened to cohabitate with a pool of acid

[next whale]

isn't the acid from isma?

[soft echo]

You’re probably right I was just thinking that maybe higher beings can kind of make an initial “life big bang” where they create a bunch of things, sentient beings are probably harder to maintain, and thus need their higher being to survive. But I thought maybe grass could just grow on its own. Without the higher being that created them.

[spark valve]

that is not how life works in the setting

[vestal swan]

Isma might be responsible for some of it but it wouldn't make sense for it to be all the way up there if it's just being produced in the sewers of a closed off City

The acid in the sewers is either being taken from greenpath or produced to help clean out the sewers imo

[gilded beacon]

What about the White Lady? She is described as a root, does she have a connection to plants too?

[spark valve]

yes it is from isma it's not from greenpath and basic observation of where the acid is will demonstrate that

[vestal swan]

Not really, she just kind of sits there

[soft echo]

A self cleaning system is actually a really cool reason for all of the acid. I love that.

[terse wadi]

well, she can mmove

Probably been ages since she did

[vestal swan]

Regardless of the fact of how or when she moves she's presumably been sitting in the same place since the kingdom fell

[terse wadi]

Yeah

[spark valve]

"aside the source of acid blight"

[soft echo]

I wonder who put the seal of binding over her. Or maybe if it was even put there by herself. Her wraps are put there by herself, so it’s definitely not out of the question.

[vestal swan]

On white lady? She sealed herself

[terse wadi]

^

[gilded beacon]

So she's a plant based HB but has nothing to do with plants? Okay...

[terse wadi]

Nothing to do with Hallownests plants

[next whale]

her head looked like tree branches before she "planted" herself, i wonder why

[soft echo]

That’s true actually, I wonder if all the unique flora in Queen’s Garden was created by her in someway and has nothing to do with Unn

I mean with how much information we have on the white lady we’ll never find that out, but it’s cool regardless

[spark valve]

there's plenty of flora in white palace she definitely is responsible for

[soft echo]

You’re right there are those massive roots in the background and those massive clumps of white pedals that are sort of vine

[vestal swan]

She is exclusively a root, as much as I hate the idea she could literally just be a fungus type. Or somebody cut the bottom off of another higher being that is an actual plant and the root survived we don't really have an answer for her origin but she's not really a plant she doesn't have leaves or flowers or fruit

[gilded beacon]

Isn't she sealed herself to stop having kids?

[vestal swan]

Yeah

[terse wadi]

80 billion was enough

[soft echo]

I know she put the wraps around herself to stop that. But I guess she could’ve been referring to both when she gave her reason for constraint.

[terse wadi]

assuming she even works like a conventional plant

[vestal swan]

They're probably just imported plants or something like that, when you set up a retreat for royalty in a garden you fill it with pretty flowers, none of them match plants we see anywhere else in the Kingdom

[gilded beacon]

How did she.....lay the eggs...? She's a root after all

[vestal swan]

I don't think she does I think she's just some kind of root that does root things and nothing else

[terse wadi]

She very much does not do root things

[vestal swan]

She is doing root things by continuously growing in every direction

[gilded beacon]

Is colonization canon in HK??

[vestal swan]

No

[terse wadi]

She had kids, not plant ones either, roots don't do that

[soft echo]

I don’t think we’ll ever have an answer for that, but it does make me realize that the black eggs that the vessel hatch out from were probably not black when they were thrown into the abyss, and only became corrupted after being filled with a void. They were probably pure white.

[vestal swan]

Yeah that lines up

[terse wadi]

Probably

[vestal swan]

Both parents known for being extremely pale as well

[gilded beacon]

She says that see was waiting for you, maybe she was able to sense you through her roots?

[vestal swan]

Possibly, being mildly psychic is seemingly one of her abilities but also being mildly psychic is something a lot of other characters do, but she did seal herself so her powers might be dampened as well we don't really know

[soft echo]

That’s probably why she can be tricked into thinking Ogrim is in the room if you’re wearing the defenders crest

[terse wadi]

Poor Ogrim

Deserved a better king

[soft echo]

And actually, the seal of binding could be the entire reason why the God seekers can’t reach her

[gilded beacon]

She seems to have become blind after all this time

[soft echo]

That too

[gilded beacon]

So maybe the smell is enough

[terse wadi]

Ogrim had to wear calogne in the pale court/hj

[soft echo]

OK, we need to bring this discussion back around to silk song related stuff. So I thought of something. The Weavers seemed to be pretty unique in the sense that they can create seals of binding. Clearly, higher beings can do it well or at least Pale beings. Based on the fact that the Pale king almost certainly willed the entirety of the dream version of white palace into existence(and the path of pain definitely existed after the palace became a dream). And the seal of binding on the white lady. Weavers seem to be very, very unique in the fact that they can create them. Maybe that’s even why silk is so important in silk song.

[terse wadi]

Well, as far as we know, the only beings able to infuse soul into their silk are weavers and Hornet

[gilded beacon]

Maybe silk is able to use soul to create the seals of binding

[gilded beacon]

The only beings that can generate silk that we know of tbf

[quartz salmon]

Maybe Hornet learning how to do it herself will play a role

[soft echo]

In fact, while things definitely could’ve changed in all these years. There’s a tied up weaver in the first silk song trailer. Now this could be a pretty dark plotline, but I guess team cherries no stranger than that. But Weavers could be brought to Pharloom for the whole purpose of being tied up and having the silk that they naturally create harvested.

[gilded beacon]

Maybe the Weavers were created by a HB who thought them to use silk, similar with the moths being able to use Dream Essence

[terse wadi]

Can't say it's impossible but unsubstantiated

[soft echo]

Maybe that’s the reason for “hornets room” in Hollow knight. It’s a failed attempt making a seal.

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, I just made that up, but still possible

[austere aurora]

Prediction the guy in my pfp who im too lazy to get a pic of will be this games version of grimm

[vestal swan]

I wouldn't say failed I'd say it's the blueprint, it's identical to the SOB iirc

[quartz salmon]

I think its pretty clear Weavers hail from Pharloom since iirc it was said they left for their homeland when the infection took hold of the kingdom

But it's still possible they were enslaved in their homeland

[soft echo]

Just about to say this

[gilded beacon]

Don't think that we'll see anything about the Grimm Troupe in SS sorry

[austere aurora]

He's red and gay he's an honorary grimmer

[soft echo]

I feel like it could be both, after all real seals of binding are invisible. Minus the one in the Hollow Knight fight. And the path of pain one (although that could just be because it’s in a dream.)

[gilded beacon]

Actually.... That makes sense....

[quartz salmon]

He's a band kid

That encompasses everything you said

[soft echo]

At the very least, they could’ve been band mates

[austere aurora]

Tc is very intentional with their use of that specific shade of red

[gilded beacon]

Maybe the Weavers teach the king to make Seals of Binding

[austere aurora]

It's never used for anything non grimm related

[gilded beacon]

It's more of a pinkish red than a reddish pink, y'know?

[terse wadi]

"it's never been used for something non grimm related" Bro, the sample size is microscopic

[austere aurora]

One entire video game's worth of gatekeeping

[soft echo]

Maybe an overuse of their silk is what caused them to suddenly be hostile, the Weavers could’ve suddenly switched sides. They clearly allowed the stag way to be built right in their home. But they clearly switched sides at some point and very hostilely fought against the tram. The pale king would’ve never built there if he knew that they were going to stop it.

[terse wadi]

Carmalita is red she Grimm troupe too?

[soft echo]

Or maybe they just didn’t like the attention of two methods of transport being built in their home

[terse wadi]

infection, and most of the weavers in deepnest by now are kids I think

[gilded beacon]

The tram stopped being building because of the beast and critters of Deepnest, not the weaves

[terse wadi]

The adults booked it somewhere else

[soft echo]

The Weavers clearly know their territory like the back of their hand, and the king wouldn’t order to mine right into their home for nothing. I think at the very least the Weaver’s could’ve easily helped the tram not get attacked if they wanted to. But they didn’t.

[gilded beacon]

I guess

But they didn't attack it

[quartz salmon]

They may have been for the tram being built or neutral while Herrah and her followers were against

[terse wadi]

We don't really know the deepnest tram timeline besides the lowerone goes into deepnest

[gilded beacon]

Can't wait for Tram Lore in silksong

[quartz salmon]

More like cable car lore

[gilded beacon]

Actually there's an area that ends in "mways"
Could be Tramways

[quartz salmon]

Maaaaybbe

[midnight reef]

No

Im not all so sure that its an M, for one

[gilded beacon]

It's either a "M" or "A"

Hideaway?

[midnight reef]

its plural

[soft echo]

Pathways

[quartz salmon]

Nah that's definitely an A or an M

[midnight reef]

shit

Just noticed another area we're yet to see at all, the Cogworks

[gilded beacon]

Seaways!?

[quartz salmon]

Could be that but it's all gray

[midnight reef]

and the catacombs

[quartz salmon]

There are so many we've seen nothing of on that map image

[gilded beacon]

And? The Barnacle area is gray too

[quartz salmon]

Ehhh

Doesn't really make sense where it is

[gilded beacon]

It's my best bet

[quartz salmon]

Hard to believe there's sea currents above moss grotto

[midnight reef]

if it was a G, then I'd guess it might be Cogway

but it doesnt look to be

[gilded beacon]

Soakaway?

[midnight reef]

stop trying trying to make it water related, wrong side of the map

[gilded beacon]

I'm just going through a list

[dire kettle]

yall think void is in pharloom?

[quartz salmon]

If its an M its tramways
If its an A it might also be getaways/hidaways

[quartz salmon]

In some form yes probably but not the focal point

[gilded beacon]

Hideaways?

[dire kettle]

the void effects at the end was strange

hoping theres a hidden area like the hive in pharloom. not nessasarly another hive but an area hidden like it

[midnight reef]

do we have a good list of how many areas there are in Silksong, beyond the named ones
The named ones that we 100% have are
Moss Grotto
The Marrow
Deep Docks
Hunters March
Far Fields
Greymoor
Bellhart
and Shellwood

Some others that we've seen a decent amount of being
Coral Forest
Citidel

[gilded beacon]

These rooms gotta be in Shellwood

[quartz salmon]

possibly

[calm pagoda]

The citadel as well

Though we haven't seen an actual glimpse of that on the map yet

[quartz salmon]

we've also seen a barnacle area, a snowy area, a deserty area, one with lots of everblooms,

what else

[gilded beacon]

The swamp at the base of the citadel

Also Greymoor

[midnight reef]

the barnacle area is part of Greymoor

[quartz salmon]

sure

there are probably also 1 or 2 we just know nothing about

team cherry seems serious about spoilers about the game generally

[obsidian delta]

Goo lagoon in silksong

[dire kettle]

hmm since we see so much of the citadel there might be a final area above it.
or other areas open up after you do something in the citadel

[gilded beacon]

Probably

Maybe the surface

[dire kettle]

kingdoms edge type area

[gilded beacon]

Basically

A gentle wind sounds in the background while stars shine up above

[viscid ridge]

I honestly dont think we'll ever see the surface surface of the world

It would be cool if we actually see it tho

If they show the surface, it would be cool if there was something unique to the sky, kinda like how Rainworld has green stars. That always seemed so cool to me

[simple anchor]

Guys hollow knight IS the silk song

[rocky flare]

holy shit i’m literally shaking this is a groundbreaking theory

[simple anchor]

It might be true

I mean the game is called hollow knight silk song

So it would only make sense

[quartz salmon]

whoops i guess im not allowed to send a lot of images at once

i was gonna post screenshots of every area that isnt on the map we saw

[gilded beacon]

Try to send them again

[rocky flare]

send 5 at once

that’s the limit iirc

[quartz salmon]

omitting citadel and coral forest cause people remember those

[gilded beacon]

1- Cogworks/ Clock tower
2- Citadel? (Maybe)
3- Barnacle town
4- Catacombs (?)
5- Base if the Citadel
6- Swamp under the Citadel
7- Desert
8- Snow/Mold
9- Prison

I think that we see new footage of the Prison right when it says "200 new enemies"

[quartz salmon]

yeah that may be the same place

has a graymoor enemy right?

maybe its in there then

[gilded beacon]

The chains, lighting and under Hornet there's a cell, it's definitely the Prison area

Maybe the Clover Grove is a different area from Moss Grotto

[tulip oyster]

i had no clue this was a channel

[gilded beacon]

Welcome then

[tulip oyster]

clover grove might be what howling cliffs is to kings pass in hk

[gilded beacon]

Elaborate

[tulip oyster]

you start in kings pass as a tutorial area and then when you get better gear you come back to find the howling cliffs, maybe this is the same for silksong where you come back later or something

[gilded beacon]

Makes sense

In the full map there's an area left to Moss Grotto

[tulip oyster]

i feel like these 2 could be linked somehow

[quartz salmon]

yeah but those clovers are deep green while that is almost black

[quartz salmon]

yeah they were drawn by the same guy

[iron pendant]

There's also that section above bonebottom that's colored as part of the moss grotto

[lethal burrow]

they are both female and fight.

That's at least two out of 10,000 the theoretically possible qualities they share

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, but I mean the left down, in the first demo there was a weaver chamber, maybe we enter through the Clover Grove and exit in the Moss Grotto

[tulip oyster]

they both study maps as well

[quartz salmon]

its right here!

[gilded beacon]

Nope that was already there!

[lethal burrow]

I wouldn't say she studies maps more than the teenager at Walmart studies clothing

[quartz salmon]

its your weaver door

[lethal burrow]

But her husband is into them

[gilded beacon]

In this early mao of Moss Grotto there are two weaver doors

Door #1 was covered in the new demo, probably an exit door

Door 2 is still there, maybe an entrance door

[quartz salmon]

maybe that clover grove is behind door 2 then

[gilded beacon]

Also posible

[quartz salmon]

it seems like a huge area connecting moss grotto to deep docks under the marrow

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, maybe it is smaller like how Fog canyon connects green path with Fungal Wastes

[quartz salmon]

its possible

either a big area or a strip like a long corridor

[gilded beacon]

I think that I would be more vertical, with all the water falls in the background

[quartz salmon]

yeah idk

its 9 days left so im itching but when it comes out im gonna take my time with it

[gilded beacon]

Me too ngl

[viscid ridge]

@quartz salmon when shakra was revealed i lowkey thought she was isselda before she met cornifer, but their butts aint the same so

[hazy hemlock]

basically nothing about them is the same

[quartz salmon]

they have

waists

[viscid ridge]

Wait what happened to the channel, did it start over?

[gilded beacon]

Shakra is more tomboyish id say

[quartz salmon]

tomboy is a playful word id describe her as Amazonian

[viscid ridge]

I wonder if shakra is native to pharloom

[gilded beacon]

Actually, yes she is a girlboss

[quartz salmon]

i bet we'll find her village while exploring

or maybe after getting all the maps she respects us fully to lead us to it

[viscid ridge]

I hope we get more bugs with that elder hu and shakra vibe

[gilded beacon]

There's also Sherma

[quartz salmon]

sherma's just a pilgrim

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but i dont think sherma has any connection to them, its just his colar scheme looks similar

[gilded beacon]

Tbf Elder Hu is backer content and we won't see anything else of him

[viscid ridge]

I also hope we'll be able to learn different songs on the needle, and i also actually wonder what the extent is to its use

[viscid ridge]

Yeah thats why im hoping we'll see more of those type of bugs

[gilded beacon]

Maybe it is like OoT where you okay the song with different effects

[viscid ridge]

Theres these bugs they seem to have added to coral forest that look like that one ghost in spirits glade

[quartz salmon]

Well you are only given 1 button for the "Needolin" so I dont think it'll be that in depth you just use it

[viscid ridge]

OoT?

[quartz salmon]

Ocarina of Time

[quartz salmon]

So is Sharpe I believe

Actually no the design and integration into the lore is team cherry but the original idea of a Mosquito assasin that uses its nose as a whip came from a backer

[gilded beacon]

There you have it

[viscid ridge]

Oh oh yeah that could be

In one of the new screenshots, these enemies reminded me a lot of this ghost in spirits glade

So i wonder if this bug actually came from pharloom

[gilded beacon]

Don't think that backer content would have extensive lore, still a neat idea

I don't think that we'll have a dream/ghost mechanics in game tho

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i dont expect them to get some deep lore, just noticing the similarities

[viscid ridge]

I may have a theory about that

[gilded beacon]

Tell me~~

[sage flame]

So far the Coral Forest looks like my favorite area. Based purely on visuals

[viscid ridge]

I think, if we are able to play different songs on the needle, maybe if we play the correct songs for the correct character, they'll tell us more about their backstory, sort of like the dream dialogue

[viscid ridge]

But im basing that off of nothing so take it with a grain of salt, i am just guessing

[rocky flare]

same

[gilded beacon]

Me too, is so colorful and pretty

[rocky flare]

most excited to explore that area

[gilded beacon]

I just wanna see crabs crabbing around

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-ego-gif-9709800945809453150

this type of interaction ? 😭

[viscid ridge]

Same, it gives me the same vibe as the coral higlands in Monster hunter world. I also want to see more of the oceon area, cause that seems very interesting to me, i think its maybe the area called Craw Lake

[quartz salmon]

I'm just gonna say gain that there's only one button for the needolin, unless a little rhythm minigame pops up when you play

[rocky flare]

this would be such a great idea

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i know, i think we might get music sheets or something to use to be able to use different songs

Or atleast i hope

[quartz salmon]

Oh yeah definately

[sage flame]

Do you guys think the spiders in Pharloom are simply a different tribe of spiders? I think that is the most logical assumption

[gilded beacon]

Maybe we can use different button combinations to make different songs

[quartz salmon]

The fact is there IS a button for it so that means it functions outside of story beats

[quartz salmon]

They're the weavers

[viscid ridge]

Probably or probably not we dont really have all that much evidence at the moment

Cause we are pretty sure pharloom is the old home of the weavers, but we'll see if the game comes out

[viscid ridge]

Im actually so excited to see how the needolin works

[sage flame]

We under the theory that these are moths?

[viscid ridge]

Those are fleas

[sage flame]

oh makes sense

[glad wren]

fleas!

[viscid ridge]

We heard from the riddles, and i think a demo playthrough they called them fleas, they are the grubs of this game

[gilded beacon]

I hope that it's like this

[viscid ridge]

Ive also recently noticed that one of their carages seems to be an upside down bell, just like the bells in bellhart

[gilded beacon]

You have already made songs, but you can still play whatever you want