sk-lore

[severe siren]

Shade lord boss would be so corny and cringe

[violet coral]

Mold

[severe siren]

Save that for the modders to include

[violet coral]

How so

[sinful nimbus]

Shade Lord so corny and cringe

[cunning dirge]

shade lord so corn

[violet coral]

One of them has very very similar design has to be

[vestal swan]

Well earlier I was thinking the fact that there's DLC means the story might not be over once we get the base game that also means we're going to have to wait some more whatever revealed a third possibility just now, that means some of the things we expected might not be in the base game yet either

[severe siren]

At least wanting void again is less bad than seeing the fucking infection

[sinful nimbus]

the voice:

[severe siren]

This part concerned me regarding the ability to refight bosses

I seriously hope thats in there day 1

It doesnt even have to be boss rushes i just want a refight menu

[cunning dirge]

like hall of gods?

[severe siren]

It could be barebones like you sleep in a bed and have a menu then you’re transported to their boss arena

[violet coral]

Tru, I doubt we will get this

Base game

[severe siren]

Ts shit would pmo me off

[cunning dirge]

this shit shit

[severe siren]

Thats the only part of the sentence you’re questioning?

[violet coral]

But I expect some things that were going to be dlc will be base game seeing TC kept thinking they were finished with the game then incorporating more stuff

[cunning dirge]

i didn't even realize the piss me off me off

[violet coral]

This sentence is pissing me off...

[violet coral]

Soo fair but I don't think we will have this problem

[edgy stone]

This arrangement of words angers me

[dim grotto]

what will hornet's shade counterpart be?

[naive granite]

just the cocoon

[cunning dirge]

that is a good question idk

[pseudo lily]

Silksong fans gotta be the only people I know who don’t want more of the shit they like

[violet coral]

[severe siren]

But powdered has a valid point

Some of the things we would expect on launch couldve been potentially planned for post launch

But idk how likely that is considering TC said some lines about some of the planned content being “ambitious” or whatever

[lapis creek]

if they were going to release an incomplete game they could have done it in 2023

[severe siren]

True

[pseudo lily]

I feel like that would be, and is, a valid concern, if we are speaking with regards to any publisher/studio who is not Team Cherry

[severe siren]

Idk i just want boss refights day 1 🙏

[severe siren]

Also true

[midnight zinc]

Idk man, all I’m hearing is the game is massive and they’re gonna make it even bigger down the line. I like HK, everything I’ve seen from the new game makes me think I’m gonna like it. The prospect of getting not just a whole new game in two weeks but so much quality content makes me happy enough that I don’t really care about stuff being added post launch.

[foggy fractal]

as if you'll get to that point in one day har har har

[severe siren]

I would if it werent for university fucking me over

Whatever im still hopping on a bit at least for dave

[pseudo lily]

I definitely feel like, at the very least, everything TC has said would be in the game will be there day 1.

[cunning dirge]

same

[severe siren]

I know exactly how im going to kill dave offrip and it will be glorious

[eternal gazelle]

The difference is that HK was launched in a state that TC wasn't satisfied with, and this time they are satisfied but they feel they can go further

[severe siren]

Until an NPC halfway through the game asks me about his missing pet Dave

[midnight zinc]

I don’t know why anyone would say otherwise. What they’ve said about the dlc makes it clear they just had so much extra stuff to add that they just wanted to get the game out so we didn’t have to wait until HK’s ten year anniversary. Silksong will be a complete game at launch.

[severe siren]

Yeah thats true i shouldnt be worried

Its really only one feature im worried about but im sure its in there

[carmine blade]

just start a new game

[severe siren]

YOU start a new game

[carmine blade]

I WILL

[pseudo lily]

You know, even Peakiro: Shadows Peak Twice didn’t have boss refights day 1. It was added in the GotY update.

[eternal gazelle]

I can't think of a single indie metroidvania that actually launched with boss rush lmao

[cunning dirge]

who is dave

[violet coral]

Dark souls 2 had on launch that's why it's best..

[carmine blade]

I hope SS has infinite game files so I can start a new game everyday

[severe siren]

Community name for ||a secret giant enemy you encounter to the right of the very beginning of the game in Moss Grotto||

[carmine blade]

[cunning dirge]

did not know that exists

neat

[carmine blade]

only real fans know

I wonder if dave is still in the new demo

[pseudo lily]

I feel like for indie metroidvanias, and metroidvanias in general, boss fights are sort of auxiliary to the areas they’re in. This compared to something like a modern From Software game, where the areas play second fiddle to their bosses.

[midnight zinc]

Silksong dlc being real reminds me of something I was wondering the other day: HK has a boss rush now, and since Silksong has just as many or more bosses at launch (release trailer said 40+) the game would feel complete without a boss rush. I always thought it was something they’d just have at launch, but maybe they’ll save that for the dlc like with HK.

[severe siren]

You have to jump to the right, you find a secret but empty room, but you have to do it again

The room you attack it in is extremely crammed however I have an idea

[pseudo lily]

He is.

[severe siren]

He is 🐌

[carmine blade]

yay

Ill be honest, havent watched a lot of the new demo stuff

[severe siren]

We need a snail emoji of the new pink thing

[reef zephyr]

Highly suspicious that void will play atleast some part in this game considering there were void balls on the September 4th section

[eternal gazelle]

I think it's less about the area and more about the progression context

[cunning dirge]

i wonder if dave will be like brooding mawlek where you are supposed to come back later

[severe siren]

Good cause theres new stuff in there

I wont reveal any of the changes

[eternal gazelle]

Brooding Mawlek is just not as interesting when you have ddark and shade dash

[severe siren]

Brooding mawlek is fun in the early game

I like to kill it before vengeful spirit always

[carmine blade]

I just want a direct feed of it. I really dont want to watch shitty over the shoulder gameplay

[spark valve]

brooding mawlek always annoys me to do low gear so I just come back and slaughter it

[pseudo lily]

I feel like there is one potential reason DLC could mean no boss refights. If the DLC adds bosses, and there are boss gauntlets a la Gauntlets of Strength, they might want to save those for last. However, they could still absolutely add plain old one-and-done refights like Hall of Gods.

[midnight zinc]

One of the easiest phases of the trial of the fool unironically

[cunning dirge]

brooding mawlek killed tiso which is funny

[carmine blade]

Nothing is interesting when you have ddark

[pseudo lily]

The ascended Markoth in question:

[edgy stone]

Dave has to be part of a quest I feel like

[spark valve]

they could always change those later or just not do the hk pantheon setup (which is cringe anyways)

[sinful nimbus]

I do brooding mawlek after VS because I'm already on my way to greenpath

[carmine blade]

I better be able to kill every npc

[edgy stone]

One thing that I'll miss from hk is the dream nail

[severe siren]

I wont

[edgy stone]

Allowed for some cool dialouge

[sinful nimbus]

what if you gain new dialogue by jamming out with npcs

[edgy stone]

With more animalistic bugs and dead ones

[carmine blade]

Now you can just talk to npcs

[eternal gazelle]

Dreamnail mogged by aura and ability to ask followup questions

[edgy stone]

Cringe I dont want to talk to people

[severe siren]

Playing my needle will be so much awesomer

[edgy stone]

I want to pry into their minds

[spark valve]

whatever that even does

[pseudo lily]

Hard to glean info from corpses that way.
“What are you, a corpse of some kind?”
“…”
“Fascinating.”

[midnight zinc]

Hornet’s in aura debt after getting her ass beat in two sequential fights that SHE started

[spark valve]

hornet is a bard she casts speak with dead

[carmine blade]

Hornet: "Tell me what you are thinking"
NPC: "No thanks"
Horent: starts badly playing the needolin
NPC: "Ok! Fuck, Ill talk!"

[severe siren]

Hornet revives the dead with song powers

Would be a crazy twist if she could resurrect the dead

[spark valve]

puppets

[pseudo lily]

Somebody recommend me a dogshit song I can imagine she is playing

[midnight zinc]

Especially if she could go back to Hallownest and (somehow) get into the white palace

[severe siren]

Hornet jamming her needle to wake up the giant Quick Slash bug

Or the colosseum of fools

[eternal gazelle]

Losing to the knight is expected that motherfucker killed god

[carmine blade]

I cant wait to see players powermove on bosses by playing songs in the middle of fights

[severe siren]

I cant believe you can taunt

It still exists in the new demo

[pseudo lily]

On everyone’s souls we’re opening all fights with the garama

[foggy fractal]

hey guys

[midnight zinc]

True, but the simple fact that she was talking such crazy shit before the first fight is not good for her aura reserves

[spark valve]

I will open fights with smokerock and hellfire

[devout plank]

Do yall think there's going to be a king and queen because it's still called a haunted "kingdom"

[carmine blade]

Do you have the mossbag demo footage thing?

[severe siren]

Not on hand no sadly

[carmine blade]

aww

[pseudo lily]

The crazy shit in question:

[devout plank]

Thoughts?

[midnight zinc]

Probably

[sinful nimbus]

tally hall

[severe siren]

This is a reference to Zote’s nail
He’s in the game chat

[pseudo lily]

That is a band

[midnight zinc]

Cbat

[sinful nimbus]

But they don't have a single good song

[pseudo lily]

There’s an nsfw joke in here I don’t have the heart to make

[sinful nimbus]

Cbat is genius microtonal music

[midnight zinc]

Okay Jacob Collier

[devout plank]

Silksong tmr on September 3

[sinful nimbus]

yea

Could have a different title but I imagine there will be someone in charge

Last Judge maybe

[pseudo lily]

My pet theory is that forge daughter is related to the ruling family

Because she uses the royal we

[midnight zinc]

It’d be way cooler if the ruling class wasn’t a monarchy though

[severe siren]

Forge Father is DeepDockProletarian

[spark valve]

[pseudo lily]

Who?

[devout plank]

Now I leave this channel and never return till I complete silksong fully
Bye

[spark valve]

fuckin newgens

[foggy drum]

You think he's gonna come back? Cuz that'd be hilarious

[pseudo lily]

I’m your senior here bucko

[carmine blade]

This is what happens when you hit bellow 100 times

[severe siren]

I think he went off to live life but i miss him

[midnight zinc]

Mythic HK fandom pull

[foggy drum]

Anyways, howdy folks
Been a while

[spark valve]

I beat you by three days

[vestal swan]

Zornet*

[severe siren]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-slap-fast-die-silksong-gif-11906425766064942386

[foggy drum]

Who shot first?
Hornet, clearly

[pseudo lily]

Fym you joined 3 years after me

[spark valve]

I left and rejoined as a bit

[foggy drum]

Based Tammo

[spark valve]

my first message is 9/17/20

[severe siren]

Why call hornet’s doppelganger Zornet when Zote doesnt sound like “Ghost” or “Knight” at all

For all we know Hornet’s doppelganger could be X Æ A-Xii

[pseudo lily]

Sitting and waiting patiently for this to be rotoscoped onto “watch yo mf tone”

[foggy drum]

Nah you gotta use the Nicholas Cage slap

[vestal swan]

I didn't name her

[severe siren]

Doppelganger gets kidnapped instead of Hornet when citadel police catches them

[severe siren]

I could definitely make the gif rn

[pseudo lily]

I do that to my little brother on the daily

[foggy drum]

Also, are we assuming that the Citadel or at least the entrance to some lower city is viewable at the map kind of?
Cuz the bugs were bringing Hornet into that huge gate and then she falls all the way down to Moss Grotto. We can see the pit she falls down on the map, and at the top across the gap is a place we don't get much detail on.
So that could be where higher stuff starts happening

[tawdry flare]

His FAMILY is the ruling FAMILY of GREYMOORE

[foggy drum]

*Greymoor 🤓

[spark valve]

I wouldn't

[severe siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1361767766822093051/1408261550510182471/speed.gif

[spark valve]

it's above the shellwood

[foggy drum]

Pfft, nice

[pseudo lily]

Favorited

[tawdry flare]

Greymore can be spelled however I want

[foggy drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1361767766822093051/1408261550510182471/speed.gif

[severe siren]

I bet you spell impostor as imposter

[pseudo lily]

Graymoor

[edgy stone]

Giant robot

[tawdry flare]

Even I have limits

[edgy stone]

Weird how far fields is also a lava area

[spark valve]

I might puke

[foggy drum]

Well volcanic soil is really good for plant growth

[pseudo lily]

Alright gonna go play Mid33 bye chat

[severe siren]

On everyone’s souls there’s another area under deep docks there has to be

[foggy drum]

https://tenor.com/view/squared-it-kraft-singles-endless-ways-feast-dinner-time-gif-26254823

[tawdry flare]

THE ABYSS

[spark valve]

mad because bad

[foggy drum]

Can't wait for the lava submarine

[spark valve]

there's at least the golem, iunno about a whole area though

[foggy fractal]

the deeper docks 🥶

[foggy drum]

Yeah speaking of, that Abyss motif at the end was nuts
Like what's that all about

[tawdry flare]

The Void Assassins obviously

[severe siren]

First suspicion being this fuckass door

[foggy drum]

Yeah they were completely absent this time around
I wonder how they're gonna fit in

[spark valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1361767766822093051/1408261550510182471/speed.gif

[pseudo lily]

And the leftward entryway to the right of it

[tawdry flare]

They’ve been MIA since 2019 trailer haven’t they

[edgy stone]

Weird how these bosses are on the map

[severe siren]

Yep

[severe siren]

What is that?

[edgy stone]

Unless ant queen and the robot become talkable and its just an indicator

[foggy drum]

I thiiiiiiink so?
The last time we saw them was the big hunky dude in Coral Forest

[severe siren]

Hollow Knight did it with False Knight

[edgy stone]

Ant queen carmella I think

[severe siren]

Wait Hunter’s March is- oh im so stupid Carmelita’s literally the Hunter Queen

[foggy drum]

They could also be general land marks signifying the boss's general area

[severe siren]

Ok thats awesome thats ant location

[pseudo lily]

Explains the color

[severe siren]

Not very big which is what i expected

[edgy stone]

Its literally ant red

[foggy drum]

To intrigue

[foggy fractal]

hunters march ? where is hunters apirl.........

[pseudo lily]

Hunters February erasure. I thought you were better andy.

[severe siren]

Having bosses on the map is sick though even if not all of them

[foggy drum]

Its also interesting that Bellhart is kinda, small

[foggy fractal]

where is hunters september ? for y'know

septemerb 4th

[foggy drum]

Though with that weirdly extended below ground

[severe siren]

I liked the false knight hint on the map draft version Cornifer gave out

[foggy drum]

It was a nice bit of worldbuilding and game design. It pushes the player there as their only landmark but also makes some sense as something Cornifer might jot down, as if he saw the False Knight he'd probably want to remember to not go there

[severe siren]

Yeah true

[foggy drum]

Man
We're gonna fight Shakra but where's my Cornifer boss battle

[severe siren]

He’d just fly around and throw shit he’d be lame

Or use attacks by being very clumsy

[foggy drum]

You beat his 3 phases and then he summons Iselda for a secret final phase

[severe siren]

Tripping, dropping his quill, dropping his papers everywhere, etc

[spark valve]

lemm boss fight would be better bro has done some violence with journals

[foggy drum]

He just uses your skull to crack open an arcane egg

[edgy stone]

Huntress?

[severe siren]

He readjusts his glasses but the light reflection off them accidentally creates a deadly beam of light

[foggy drum]

Oh hey Curly

[carmine blade]

[severe siren]

Looks like it

Where is that, shellwood?

[spark valve]

putting a big chunk of the map in the trailer is certainly a choice

[edgy stone]

Yeah

[carmine blade]

they did it for HK

[severe siren]

Yeah lowk kinda upset about that

[sinful nimbus]

smartest TC trailer

[carmine blade]

Well we can stop staring at it

[spark valve]

it's early game anyways so whatever

[sinful nimbus]

at least bellhart is confirmed

[tawdry flare]

PLEASE

[carmine blade]

Honestly Im just gonna forget most of it anyways

[foggy fractal]

same

[spark valve]

I never pay this server more than like half attention

[foggy fractal]

this is like my 5th time looking at it and I still can't remember

[severe siren]

Its too late i have now memorized every room connection

[foggy drum]

Craw Lake, I wonder if that's the barnacle place

[spark valve]

plus the map is basically all stuff we already knew

[foggy fractal]

matter of fact I can't remember any of you like who are you people ???

[carmine blade]

Also going somewhere and looking at it on a map are very different

[spark valve]

like genuinely every area connection there is totally known

[foggy drum]

We are from a ss-discussion long forgotten

[severe siren]

Yep

[carmine blade]

Seriously. If someone changes their name or pfp they are basically a different person to me

[severe siren]

Relatable

[edgy stone]

Same door thingy in greymoor and shellwood

Greymoor one is more angular

[foggy fractal]

thankfully I rarely change my pfp and literally never my name still good ol Andy

now in a field of flowers

[severe siren]

Lowkey they should drop another youtube video but its the same trailer with a sooner release date 🙏

[edgy stone]

It doesnt seem like the clocktower is visible on the map at all

Unless this is it

[severe siren]

Clocktower is called cogworks

[spark valve]

that would be funny

[severe siren]

It aint in greymoor’s windmill spires

[empty fog]

That is because the clocktower is in the citadel and we havent seen the citadel map

[spark valve]

oh I very much doubt clocktower is in citadel because it has a lot of stuff specialized for the grapple and greymoor has grapple counters

unless there are different gear areas which is possible

[edgy stone]

Could be interesting if it was related to getting into the citadel

Like its the mechanism to open up the citadel

[pseudo lily]

I’d be willing to bet there are multiple paths into the citadel

[spark valve]

plausible

[pseudo lily]

Same as with City of Tears

[foggy fractal]

I should make one final fake screenshot before ss releases but I don't think 2 weeks is enough time lmao

[spark valve]

could even be some that dead end until you open it up from the other side or something

[pseudo lily]

The classic soulsborne door

[edgy stone]

Yeah but theres only one route early without skips

[pseudo lily]

“Does not open from this side”

[frigid ether]

So if there actually will be an Abyss-like area, that would be really weird because the whole point of the game is to ascend
The only way it could work is if we have Hornet falling deep down Celeste-style

[spark valve]

my beloathed

[edgy stone]

Clockworks is weird though since hk really didnt have dungeons in a sense

[frigid ether]

I'm thinking it's just for the vibes now, that abyss scene at the end

[spark valve]

general trajectory doesn't mean only path

[edgy stone]

Soul sanctum and where you get the shooting ability is kinda it

[spark valve]

soul sanctum, hive, peaks basically, beast's den, mantis village

[edgy stone]

I wouldn't consider mantis village

Since its a path into areas

[pseudo lily]

I’d put the spire and archives there too

[spark valve]

sure

I also don't know why one would assume clocktower doesn't lead anywhere

[pseudo lily]

Clocktower leads to a perfect 1-1 recreation of London

[spark valve]

I didn't realize it was a horror game

[turbid walrus]

how is this ss lore

funny

[next sable]

On that topic, Dandara does a thing where the clocktower (which is a dungeon with multiple levels/challenges) has an exit at the very top at the clock, although that might be a bit easier to explain considering a lot of the setting is really abstract

[sinful nimbus]

i've never heard of this game it looks good

[high violet]

Its prolly cuz its either way further to the right or its becaude its not visible on the zoomed out map

Since that isn't the area map its just the zoomed out one, a lot of details are not there

[odd jackal]

gay more

[high violet]

Im just glad it only contains areas we know but yeah

[spark valve]

areas we know in a configuration we know

[high violet]

Yeah but I'm also pretty sure most the map guesses already pretty much figured this layout out lmao

But i do wish they showed a smaller portion for sure

[spark valve]

what it does show is the extent and layout of those areas which... eh

[odd jackal]

im still certain that this is like 20% of the map at most

[keen tundra]

i’ll eventually try to map out where scenes in trailers are on the map from today’s trailer

[high violet]

On the bright side we can also just not look at the map

[next sable]

I’m lowkey kind of terrified of the amount of horizontal space this map is going to take. Traversing it is going to take so long.

[edgy stone]

Chances are the game will give shortcuts

[odd jackal]

we've still yet to see anything anywhere resembling the snowy slopes from that one trailer

[edgy stone]

Well it appeared in todays trailer

[odd jackal]

i meant on the map

we have no idea where it is

[high violet]

Also we still have no idea how horizontally long the map I just realised

[next sable]

Hopefully they only showed us the bottom layer, since the catchphrase is to ascend Pharloom

(Although it still looks pretty large given the trailer)

[high violet]

Even moreso how vertically long it is lmao

[pseudo geyser]

there looks to still be a weaver door at the very right to Moss Grotto that might link up Deep Docks directly. (idk if I cropped well)

unless those doors' only purpose is to just lead to small rooms that give you those silk skills, who knows, would be cool tho

[shadow fjord]

ok so now that we know it’s at least a little more connected to Hollow Knight 1 than we thought because void

…Radiance cultist?

[naive granite]

they look like ass jim and look to be in the same area so ig they’re are one of his henchmen

[mint stratus]

Do you think the main form of writing surface will utilize spider silk parchment like the city of tears did once they started trading with deepnest?

Maybe the written language will have more in common with sheet music?
Maybe in reference to how many real life spiders will pluck their web to communicate and gather information

[quiet bison]

I was thinking... so the game continues after the Godmaster Delicate Flower ending right?

[vestal swan]

No

[carmine blade]

Yes and no

[quiet bison]

Voidheart - Radiance defeated?

[vestal swan]

It's likely not going to tell us what happened in hallownest

[quiet bison]

Hornets being knocked out

[severe siren]

We should burn that cursed pink snail thing with lips imo tbh ngl

[carmine blade]

imo every ending is canon and not. The player get to decide what ending fit best for them, and that is the canon ending

[quiet bison]

Mmm... this can't be a prequel

[vestal swan]

Correct

They're just not going to confirm what happened

[vestal swan]

Susie smoocher the hermit crab

[foggy fractal]

ts pmo mods get him

[mint stratus]

I’m assuming it’s gonna focus more on the beast side of her heritage than giving a definitive ending answer + maybe more info on pale beings?

[quiet bison]

can't wait honestly

[spark valve]

pimpillo

[gray loom]

-# yall the game ain't even out yet omg XD

[tawdry flare]

We've been doing this for years we ain't gonna stop now

Well I mean I am bc I'm in my "I don't want spoilers" era

[brazen mirage]

I’M THE FINAL BOSS OF SILKSONG! THAT’S WHY I’M NOT IN DELTARUNE!

[sage bough]

How the freak does Hornet understand Pharloom language

[silk dirge]

i get why people are thinking the game wont have anything to do with hallownest but the void for the release date reveal...

that cant just be for fun i feel like they put that there to hint towards something

i saw someone theorize that maybe the abyss is kind of an underworld to the entire world hk takes place in and we just see a very small part of it

thats an interesting theory that im curious will have anything to it when the game releases

[tawdry flare]

I agree

[elfin atlas]

Why would you guys make this the lore people aren’t human leave them to the hk lore cesspit

[carmine blade]

thats hk lore. ss lore people are cool and awesome

[hexed zealot]

Get rid of the og channel now

[steep ridge]

I imagine it's as simple as "we speak the universal language" because I doubt they'd want to dwell on that

[spark valve]

wanderers in hk can all communicate fine as well there's just a common tongue

[steep ridge]

yeah

[balmy reef]

omg fordo hiiii

[hexed zealot]

Necro

[balmy reef]

that’s me

[brazen mirage]

CONVENIENCE, POTENTIAL HUMAN!

[spark valve]

blah blah no rp

[hexed zealot]

When are we making the new lore test

[spark valve]

never

[tawdry flare]

there’s a lore test

[balmy reef]

It’s bad

[spark valve]

it was something some people did a while back it was pretty dumb

[hexed zealot]

Yeah it’s from like 2019

Or earlier

[tawdry flare]

Great

[spark valve]

(it was probably also wrong )

[hexed zealot]

I think we should delete all the old lore docs and start from scratch

[spark valve]

stop that sentence after docs

[hexed zealot]

Like the library of Alexandria if it was mid

[spark valve]

docs are lame

[hexed zealot]

Valid

[edgy stone]

Whats the point of docs when you have mossbag

[tawdry flare]

We need to contain our knowledge within spheres

[hexed zealot]

Archivers of Hallownest is making it out of the mud this time

[hexed zealot]

Sherman Antitrust Act

[spark valve]

sherma??

[hexed zealot]

Did we have a user called sherma too I forgot

I remember someone had the pfp at least

[spark valve]

reeves?

[hexed zealot]

Maybe idk

[tawdry flare]

Didn’t Reeves and Amina both have Sherma pfps at one point? And wasn’t there a shermafan?

[balmy reef]

reeves had the buff sherma

[terse mural]

hornet was raised by weavers, who originally hailed from pharloom, so if the kingdom does use its own language, hornet would surely be the one character who could know it

[tawdry flare]

@ inkskye is Sherma fan I think

[edgy stone]

What if hornets concoon goop is void but hornet is not void

Infinite games but no games

[tawdry flare]

what if cocoon goop not canon

[hexed zealot]

Then hornet would be dead

[balmy reef]

the goop is her regrets

[hexed zealot]

You’d think 7 years of being in a place would improve your typing speed

[terse mural]

wtf why the aggro :(

[balmy reef]

shandow’s fashionably late

[hexed zealot]

I’m a jaded old man

[spark valve]

coming out fucking swinging

[terse mural]

i had to like redo my whole message because it sucked first yknow, just like with silksong

at first
fuck

maybe youre right...

[balmy reef]

it’s endearing

[terse mural]

im not a zoo display!! 😡

[hexed zealot]

Like I have responsibilities and stuff now I probably won’t really play the game for 2 months woozy emote

[balmy reef]

yeesh

[edgy stone]

Abandon the responsibilities

[balmy reef]

Who do you think you are

[edgy stone]

Embrace silksong

[hexed zealot]

My livelihood for the foreseeable future:

[carmine blade]

This. I put in my 2 week notice today

[edgy stone]

Why do you need a job

[tawdry flare]

Pft, imagine having a job. No one would accept my applications

[carmine blade]

Become a Silksong streamer

[hexed zealot]

Not job college apps

[edgy stone]

Okay so this is the strat okay

Find a deaf blind woman and secretly live in her apartment

Free housing and free food

[terse mural]

i feel like after 4+ years it probably wouldnt be that hard to just play silksong forever? because thats just cemented as the status quo by now. but then i would inevitably be met by the profasiagaming thumbnails :cryemoji:

[carmine blade]

I remember when you were the youngest member in the discord

[lapis creek]

what

[tawdry flare]

Oh that’s easy. Just ask politely and they’ll let you in. Also pay them $400K

[hexed zealot]

I know

Inform purple I’ll be 18 in 4 months they know what this means

[edgy stone]

4 months?

You can do silksong and then college apps

[lapis creek]

i think this is true. if not deep docks, another area

[hexed zealot]

Anyways sleep schedule > silksong gn

[tawdry flare]

Good night

[calm pagoda]

oh hey there

will make sure to do that for you

[severe siren]

Missed Fordo

[past basin]

What do y’all reckon the connection is between pharloom and hallownest?

[hazy hemlock]

idk but i’m intrigued by the void at the end of the trailer

i wasn’t sure if void was going to be all that important but that has to be telling us something

[vestal swan]

It could just be a DLC set in the past where she's killing vessels

[hazy hemlock]

that would be sick

i’ll take anything that ties both games together honestly bc the only thing i’ve really heard that made me slightly worried was that they wanted silksong to be a standalone thing

[vestal swan]

A lot of people don't want them to confirm an ending either they want it to be standalone, me included

As a little info connected to the first game as possible

[hazy hemlock]

i think it’s great if people can play silksong without playing hollow knight and understand everything completely but to me it would be nice if there were enough connections to make it really feel like two kingdoms set in the same world

i wouldn’t want it to be like a continuation of hollow knight’s story but i’d like them to be somewhat connected

[vestal swan]

I mean it is, you're literally playing as a character from the first game with the same kind of magic system in universe etc going on in the background

[hazy hemlock]

maybe i’m just emotionally attached to original hollow knight and scared for something new lol

i trust them though the game looks incredible from what we’ve seen so far

[vestal swan]

I mean it's a pretty dead place with most of the characters having dead end stories. One of the few living characters is in the sequel so

[hazy hemlock]

for sure, i think hallownest being so desolate made it easy to get attached to the few characters who were still alive so i wonder if people will get as attached to the new characters as they did to like quirrel or cornifer

it was nice seeing familiar characters around the map when everyone else is dead and things are so gloomy

[solar saddle]

so where does silksong take place?

[faint axle]

Pharloom

[solar saddle]

where is that? close to the place of Hollow Knight?

[faint axle]

Not stated, but due to the name being cheesy af its "phar" away

Yes that is likely the namesake

[edgy stone]

Do you think mr.smoocher will find someone to smooch

[solar saddle]

he smooches anyone he sees, consent or not

[faint axle]

He looks like one of those "I put my oc into xmedia can you tell?" characters

My self insert oc that kisses hornet and has a bratty relationship with he

Also not sure what he is probbably a snail

[edgy stone]

I saw someone say a hermit crab

Which makes sense if he literally lives alone in the attic

But he really doesnt have claws

[faint axle]

Doesn't really look that much like a crab except the shell (?) lying next to him

[edgy stone]

Arcane eggs are so massive, that means the ancient civilization were in pharloom

[elder cobalt]

Wait what is this

[edgy stone]

Steam db, added badges and achievements

[elder cobalt]

Wait holy shit they added everything no fucking way

Silksong is real!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait can you see the achievements yet?

[edgy stone]

Fuck mr.smoocher got named

[elder cobalt]

Was grindle new or just nuu and phantom?

[edgy stone]

Grindle was a ridle character

[elder cobalt]

Right

What about the names of Garamond and zaza?

Are they new?

[edgy stone]

No also known

Phantom and nuu are the only new ones

[elder cobalt]

Ok

I need to get myself a foil silksong

[carmine blade]

Ss cards are gonna be worth bank

[edgy stone]

Is phantom a voidborne?

[high violet]

prolly

[elder cobalt]

Is it one set to level the badge up is that how it works?

[carmine blade]

Correct

[elder cobalt]

I’ve never tried collecting the cards

[terse mural]

what the fuck who is phantom

[edgy stone]

Lol this guy doesnt know who phantom is.

[terse mural]

ghost of pharloom lookin ass

[elder cobalt]

Is the foil silksong for a foil set of cards then?

[elder cobalt]

We don’t know yet this is spoiler territory

[carmine blade]

Yup

[elder cobalt]

Dang that’s finna be expensive

Has the delicate flower always been called an everbloom?

[runic musk]

Cards are likely to get very saturated so i'd imagine they wouldnt be too much after a bit

[edgy stone]

No first time named

[elder cobalt]

Yeah with the amount of people playing there’s gonna be lots on the market

[elder cobalt]

Oooh this is cool

[hazy hemlock]

to be fair a lot of things in hollow knight look nothing like what they’re supposed to be

[elder cobalt]

I forgot that pharloom is gonna have ties to hk during the 6 years

[hazy hemlock]

he might also just be a made up creature there are a lot of those too

[severe siren]

Did you guys see the steam badges

Theres uh, very interesting implications

[edgy stone]

Oh fucking huge implications

[hazy hemlock]

oh i haven’t seen them

[severe siren]

May contain spoilers

Or like ones that will kinda blow your mind

Like huge ass implications

[elder cobalt]

Yeah we saw em

[edgy stone]

I mean ss lore I feel like its fair to share here

Plus I kinda sent them wihtout spoilering already

[high violet]

kinda cool how phantom almost looks like a corrupted hornet

[severe siren]

You have been warned:

[edgy stone]

So cats out the bag

[severe siren]

||The Arcane Egg’s carving is completely different in design from Hollow Knight’s, this means they’re back and this also means the abyss/void is back to some capacity, and this may also contribute to HK’s entire worldbuilding (everywhere has void deep underground).||

||The Everbloom is the true name of the Delicate Flower, and it’s returned in Pharloom. This is a massive, massive deal for Great Knights enthusiasts. This might imply Ze’mer lore as she is an outsider to Hallownest, and we might learn of this flower’s properties especially involving void||

[elder cobalt]

What if phantom is the final boss and we just don’t know it lol

[hazy hemlock]

wait have we even seen phantom before i don’t remember ever seeing them

they look so sick

[severe siren]

Thats completely new

[edgy stone]

Ive been calling the void thing for fucking years dude

[lapis creek]

what is that silksong symbol

[hazy hemlock]

oh holy shit

omg i’m so hyped

[elder cobalt]

Something tells me we are going back down to the void late game below the first area or smthn

[edgy stone]

Void has to be just like real life oil. Dead shit turned into a substance

[elder cobalt]

A foil silksong

[raven condor]

Is this real? Who the fuck is the OC looking phantom? Def void.

[hazy hemlock]

oh they have to be void

[elder cobalt]

I guess our lover nuu will be somewhat of a prominent character

[hazy hemlock]

that’s totally a shade under the cracked shell

so excited to smack them

that was my favourite part of the trailer i think

[vestal swan]

Why does one look like a vessel oc

SUSIE NOOOO

[elder cobalt]

oh my gosh every single time i watch the trailer i cant get over how good the soundtrack is

not even glazing

[hazy hemlock]

i’m so excited to hear the entire soundtrack everything we’ve heard so far is so good

i love the moss grotto theme so much

[raven condor]

Did they just entirely replace this boss with a new one? Seems like the same arena. Image from steam gallery

[elder cobalt]

i reckon itll be like hk's soundtrack but like at least twice as good

[hazy hemlock]

the new guy looks more like a common enemy so maybe that’s a smaller fight before you fight the old guy?

[edgy stone]

How you liking nuu

[elder cobalt]

like coloseum type shi

[edgy stone]

I personally prefer my name for him. Mr.smoocher

[raven condor]

Possibly, but he still looks boss like.

[elder cobalt]

i reckon he'll be like on par with like the electric soul sanctum guys

[tawdry flare]

FOOL WHAT HAPPENED TO SILK SOUL???

[hazy hemlock]

the new guy’s weapon is cool it’s like a violin bow thingamajig

[elder cobalt]

this better get indie of the year

[hazy hemlock]

that’s what i was thinking yeah

[high violet]

also got these descriptions for the rest of the characters:

Garmond and Zaza:

||Vigorous old knight and their noble companion, working together to see their lands cut free from haunted madness.||

Grindle

||Since when's a little light thievery worth a lifelong sentence?||

Hornet

||Then I shall seek their Citadel. If these veiled bugs would go to such lengths to bring me here, I intend to find out why.||

Lace

||Manic fencer who delights in battle.||

Nuu

||Cut them with your blade! Cut them with your mature spirit! Cut them with your savage adult heart!||

Phantom

||Mournful creature tasked alone to expel the Citadel's choking refuse. Their talent with a longpin is unmatched.||

Shakra

||Warrior cartographer of a tribe from Pharloom's edge. Her skills in battle could challenge the kingdom's best.||

Sherma

||I am Sherma, a pilgrim just like you. I hear the call of the great Citadel just like every other devout soul.||

Trobbio

||Haughty thespian convinced that only dazzling performance can raise Pharloom from the throes of death.||

[severe siren]

Dont know dont care we'll learn about that mode later

[hazy hemlock]

omg nuu is such a weirdo lmao

[elder cobalt]

this might be the longest 2 weeks ever ngl

[high violet]

i wonder why they changed Silk Soul to Steel Soul in the steam description, potential typo?

[edgy stone]

So hornet is just doing it for the hell of it

[elder cobalt]

detective work

[tawdry flare]

Phantom is void is my new catchphrase

[severe siren]

Wow awesome thanks

[tawdry flare]

really hope it isn’t just steel soul again lmao

[elder cobalt]

ngl i feel like saying 'silksong is the friends we made along the way' is a truthful statement

[severe siren]

It wont

Also steel soul is lazy and you can impose that on yourself anyways for a DIY steel soul

Pretty sure they talked about it being different in their video in front of the camera before

[elder cobalt]

yay

[high violet]

i think its a typo, they said very early on that its silk soul and they already had different ideas for it

[hazy hemlock]

i do think it’ll be different but the naming could make sense since steel soul jinn has a potential connection to pharloom no?

not that i think jinn would appear in pharloom but we see bugs that look like jinn

[tawdry flare]

The Steel (Void) Assassins in my back pocket or something

[runic musk]

it being a typo would be quite odd because it just seems specific only that got changed it looks like?

[hazy hemlock]

yeah that’s what i’m thinking

although naming it steel soul again might be a bit weird for people who are already familiar with hollow knight

if it’s as different from hollow knight’s steel soul as they seem to want it to be

[marsh bison]

Where did you find this?

[lapis creek]

steamdb

[marsh bison]

Oh sick

[tawdry flare]

Steam page was updated and all the community stuff is already there

It says Steam Achievements were added but I don’t know where to find them and frankly I don’t want to find out

[high violet]

Spoilers into potential late game stuff:
||also the arcane egg being level 4 and everbloom being higher up with the lower levels seemingly implying earlier game stuff implies that void/arcane eggs might genuinely be a late game topic thats revisted in some way or form||

[tawdry flare]

Silksong spoilers idk
||Does Phantom have to like constantly dodge everblooms if they’re in an area with them or else they’ll be ETV Flower ending’ed||

[high violet]

what makes you think that? (genuinely asking in case i missed something)

[tawdry flare]

Uhhhh they’re void

[lapis creek]

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/

[tawdry flare]

This will be my “bit” for the next two weeks

[high violet]

well we dont know that but, the knight is void and holds the fragile flower fine

[tawdry flare]

True…

[high violet]

oh right....

||curious that they're referred to as a "creature" tho, so your void guess mighjt not be completely off||

[tawdry flare]

||They’re also genderless/non-binary… like the vessels||

[lapis creek]

lmao

[tawdry flare]

THEY’RE VOID!!! I’M TELLING YOU!! I’M NOT CRAZY!!!

[marsh bison]

Wokesong

[lapis creek]

in hollow knight the first four badges were just the relics you give to lemm

[edgy stone]

Wonder if their shell is broken or just overtaken

[high violet]

ah ok neat i didnt know that

[lapis creek]

the arcane eggs were not really indicative of a major plot point in that game they just contained information that would be interesting for an archaeologist, or i guess an entire scholarly community maybe in our case

[high violet]

||i guess it just makes me wonder since we know that a "bonescroll" is probably from bonebottom and a "silksong" is probably from the end of the game so i wonder if the badges imply at progress in any way||

[lapis creek]

oh yeah the last two are definitely significant

in hk they were kingsoul and void heart, the good news is we already kinda knew about ||the delicate flowers|| we just didnt know ||if they were the same kind of flower||

[high violet]

yeah for sure

[severe siren]

I genuinely think the belief that the citadel wants hornet for her silk properties is a massive red herring

Like we literally see the stuff everywhere already and enemies like that one spider use it against us

[high violet]

they clearly want her for her song

[severe siren]

What could they possibly want Hornet for

[high violet]

i wonder if hornet was the onyl one that was captured or whether there was others

[tawdry flare]

Seemed to be just her in the opening cutscene otherwise there’d probably be a procession

[marsh bison]

Lace is just really bad at planning dates

[real crater]

They could want hornet for her needle

[lapis creek]

im kind of just coping here but ||arcane eggs are the perfect form of record-keeping, they dont necessarily indicate ancient civ||

||ac used the eggs but if pharloom wanted to secure information they might do it too||

[hazy hemlock]

well the word arcane itself implies that they’re not well understood in pharloom either so i’m guessing they’re still an ancient civilisation thing

[lapis creek]

yeah their presumed value also implies that

well

i didnt necessarily want to see void in silksong but i like that they seem to be exploring the part of it that's separate from hollow knight's plot

[viscid ridge]

|| It ||

[hazy hemlock]

i think the inclusion of void is cool since it kind of establishes it as more of a natural occurrence?? across the world itself and not just an anomaly exclusive to hallownest

so it lends credence to the oil equivalent theory

[lapis creek]

or the regret theory

phantom is said to eliminate the refuse of the citadel

[high violet]

||also i think the "Halfway Home" might be a spot past pilgrims have marked as halfway "home" meaning the citadel or perhaps some other home||

[viscid ridge]

Why the hell does || phantom look suspiciously like hornet ||. Ive been seeing more and more evidence that || hornet is potentially void and i really hope thats not the case || hopefully its explained in game cause i wont except it if thats the case 😭

[lapis creek]

shes not

[hazy hemlock]

i truly don’t think hornet is void

[viscid ridge]

I think its that one spot with the fancy chair as a bench if you know which place im referring to?

[real crater]

Yeah hornet is not void

[hazy hemlock]

there are a lot of unanswered questions about void but i think we probably know enough about void entities to say hornet isn’t void

[lapis creek]

she says she isnt void

[tawdry flare]

She isn’t. Yet.

[viscid ridge]

I hope so cause ive seen a lot of suspicious changes that at first glance looks like void, i hope to god not

[hazy hemlock]

yeah she says she doesn’t share the emptiness that the knight has

[high violet]

no clue

[lapis creek]

anything black in this game at first glance looks like void

[lunar crest]

Oh no, SS lore

[hazy hemlock]

hornet is void discourse in 2025 god we’re so back

[real crater]

||`The black stuff after breaking the cocoon is probably her old body ||

[tawdry flare]

THERES SPOILERS IN HERE!!! RUN!!!!

[high violet]

this is genuine;y what i think it is

[real crater]

Makes so much sense

[lunar crest]

No that idc about

[lapis creek]

no you do

[tawdry flare]

Oh Ok

[high violet]

it doesnt behave like void at all, literally the only similarity it shares is the fact that its black

[real crater]

Also these aren't actual spoilers game isn't out yet

[lunar crest]

It's the lore aspect I care about, HK-Lore is evil

[hazy hemlock]

the body in the cocoon crumbles which we don’t see void do

[lapis creek]

no these are spoilers and theyre a step above what we had before

[hazy hemlock]

void is kind of goopy and floaty not dry and crumbly

[tawdry flare]

these are like major lore spoilers

[lapis creek]

for stuff related to hollow knight

[high violet]

||yeah hornet is not void||

i dont know why i even spoilered that

hornet is not void

[blissful harbor]

the black dots are actually just tiny black spiders and hornet is just a bunch of spiders in a red cloak

[lapis creek]

senris run it's not safe here anymore

[viscid ridge]

I assumed this area could be halfway home, but looking closer i don't think so anymore

[real crater]

Probably not

[high violet]

probably not i'd say

halfway home probably has some kind of fountain or something?

[real crater]

||That looks like the start of citadel area on the left||

[viscid ridge]

Wait wait i think halfway home is the bar type place with the kissing dude

[pseudo geyser]

||i think that's somewhere we havent seen on the map, or that Pilgrim's Rest place in Far Fields, though even that is unlikely||

[viscid ridge]

The structure looks very similar to it

[wooden dawn]

is “halfway home” the name of the property that hornet owns in pharloom

[blissful harbor]

[hot orchid]

Wait since y'all are talking abt the map does anyone have the merged picture of the two map shots? I've been trying to find it all day

[lapis creek]

i think it's so funny that just by including the things we see in the badges, silksong will probably expand more on hollow knight's lore than totk did for botw

[real crater]

This?

[lapis creek]

even though it's on a whole new map

[hazy hemlock]

i feel like halfway home could be either a kind of outpost or something like an actual halfway house since we know there’s some kind of prison system

[edgy stone]

This might be halfway home

[terse mural]

||is nuu trying to hype up hornet or is tc telling us to freaking murderize them to death ||

[lapis creek]

i just thought it meant halfway to the citadel. like for pilgrims

[high violet]

this ones not very updated, theres a bigger one the original guy who stiched it made

[edgy stone]

Also that thing behind the clerk is an eye, look at it and tell me that is not an eye in the middle of it

[viscid ridge]

So if this screenshot is correct, then im pretty sure this inn or bar or something has to be halfway home, because
1: Has the same lemon squeezer type shape
2: Raining outside the windows which seems to be common in grewmoor

[hazy hemlock]

yeah that’s what i mean by outpost

[real crater]

Can u link it I just woke up

[viscid ridge]

Exactly my train of thought

[lapis creek]

i cant look at this game the same way anymore after the ||arcane egg|| reveal

i need answers and i need them now

[blissful harbor]

wdym arcane egg reveal

[lapis creek]

run

[quartz salmon]

halfway houses in the real world are places you stay at to get help when recovering from mental health issues or drug abuse

i dont know if thats gonna be relevant in silksong.........

[high violet]

Spoiler: Pharloom map so far

[blissful harbor]

explain yourself foo

[real crater]

Hornet did spend a long time in isolation

[lapis creek]

steamdb badges released

[edgy stone]

If it is relevant, nuu is apparently at halfway house and immediately tries to assault hornet upon seeing her

Is nuu addicted to crack?

[lunar crest]

||Deep Docks|| mentioned...

[high violet]

wait you might be onto something

[lapis creek]

dont make me tell you the fifth

[quartz salmon]

maybe theyre addicted to smut

[severe siren]

||Might wanna spoiler tag it though cause its a massive deal
It even looks different from the HK one||

[blissful harbor]

||why is the AC in pharloom???||
||but whats the fifth???||

[hazy hemlock]

they’re also for people being reintegrated after incarceration which we know happens in pharloom via grindle

[high violet]

yeah

[edgy stone]

Can we talk about wtf this is though

[blissful harbor]

wait theres pictures???

[severe siren]

Yes

[high violet]

might genuinely be onto something there

[edgy stone]

That id an eye

[severe siren]

I highly advise staying away from them
There are some things with huge implications

[real crater]

Might just be a machine or a background object

[severe siren]

And also a steam character card reveals a new character

[viscid ridge]

I might be wrong but i feel there is a 80/20 chance the everbloom will actually be in the game, the arcane egg i can understand cause i assume the ancient bugs were all over the world, but the flower seems to only come from zemerrs place of origin

[high violet]

i think its a storage container of some kind?

[lapis creek]

major spoiler for something we have seen already thats related to hollow knight

[blissful harbor]

bruhhh where do i find these pics

[lapis creek]

ok there it is nvm idk why i even try

[viscid ridge]

Like i think they just used rare items from the previous game to make the badges, but i have a high chance of being wrong so

[blissful harbor]

i need to see them pronto

[severe siren]

Yeahhh i guess people dont care lmao

[real crater]

Looks like a old armor or a mech of some kind

[edgy stone]

They got redesigned though

[lapis creek]

https://steamdb.info/app/1030300/communityitems/

[severe siren]

||The issue with this theory is the arcane egg looks different from the Hk one||

[high violet]

||i wonder whats the deal with robot bugs in pharloom||

[viscid ridge]

It does?

[blissful harbor]

oh no

[severe siren]

Yes

[blissful harbor]

||is that…a delicate flower??? i’m gonns be sick||

[lapis creek]

honestly i was kind of pissed about the spoilers earlier but this has kind of eased my concerns about the precise nature of the hk fanservice in ss

[severe siren]

This worldbuilding is so cool

[lapis creek]

i just wanted to make sure there were no vessels ok that would be cheap

[severe siren]

||I sorta expected this stuff to reappear anyway but wow its confirmed||

[lapis creek]

i like that theyre expanding on the ||flower||

[hazy hemlock]

yeah it’s like exactly what i was hoping for as far as tying the games together goes

[real crater]

Man we have name for those white flowers now I wonder if they are from like || everwhite flowers ||

[lapis creek]

now for the other thing, ||like tammo said earlier it's unclear why we haven't seen any soul totems||

[high violet]

tbh i think as many answers as we're gonna get, we're gonna get so many new questions

[blissful harbor]

||ngl that phantom character looks eerily similar to hornet to me||

like that’s her exact eye shape

[lapis creek]

their job is to deal with the 'choking refuse' of the citadel

[viscid ridge]

If the everbloom is actually in the game, i doubt it will be native to pharloom

[cunning dirge]

||i don't think hornet uses soul||

[lapis creek]

which could literally just be regrets manifesting as void as was alluded to in hollow knight

[viscid ridge]

Maybe we'll meet another bug like zehmerr

[real crater]

Because they have no use for soul totems we don't know if pharloom even uses soul

[blissful harbor]

wait is this about ||phantom?|| is this confirmed?

[lapis creek]

the ac built them anyway lmfao

[terse mural]

if the citadel folk traveled so far just to capture hornet because shed be useful in some way, maybe gathering magic flowers was another project they traveled out for?

[blissful harbor]

she does tho

in a very weird way, but she still uses it

[lapis creek]

yes you can ctrl f choking refuse on the page i sent for the descriptions, i dont remember where exactly they are

[cunning dirge]

how

[viscid ridge]

Its a || void looking character that looks suspiciously like hornet ||

[real crater]

Silk is not soul they are very different

[cunning dirge]

yeah i thought she used silk and not soul

[blissful harbor]

her silk and soul are explicitly bound, it’s how she’s able to heal herself with bind presumably
her soul magic just has a silk coating over it

[blissful harbor]

we are told hornet is using a mesh of the two

[cunning dirge]

doesn't she have a spool of silk on the ui

[real crater]

Where

[lapis creek]

it doesn't matter whether they have a use for soul. if hallownest's ac existed in pharloom, they would have built soul totems

unless pharloom explicitly erased all traces of the ancient civilization

from areas we have seen thus far

[viscid ridge]

Its been confirmed that pharloom uses less magic than hallownest, but i do think well see small groups that uses soul. I also think well get secret rooms and stuff that have to do with soul aswell

[viscid ridge]

Maybe snail shamans?

[blissful harbor]

For Hornet, silk and soul are inseparably bound, her life-force fused with her thread.

god it took me forever to find this but it’s in a blogpost

[terse mural]

if their presence is supposed to only be teased before later on we see that yeah there is some more hk stuff going on here, then i think that could make sense as maybe a specific area with more motifs from the ac together featured in one place? but then again, dont we have the map? i went out of my way to not pay attention to it, but...

[real crater]

Damn thanks that's like old lore

[blissful harbor]

if it’s old then wdym where

[terse mural]

maybe instead of a cryptic trilobite statue... maybe we'll get one (1) soul totem to even things out

[real crater]

So she doesn't need soul silk is her soul

[real crater]

Like where is it shown dw I got that now

[hazy hemlock]

it sounds like she does use soul it’s just that her silk is like. saturated with soul? or something?

[real crater]

Yeah her soul is the silk

[high violet]

im sleep deprived i read that as her soul is the milk

[real crater]

Go eep milk is for santa not for hornet

[hazy hemlock]

ok so it’s under the healing section in the post E3 blogpost

[viscid ridge]

Yo does anyone have any thought on these things on the map? There seems to be one in every area, is there any structure like this that we have seen in any of the other trailers?

[high violet]

yeah i have an idea of what it might be

[viscid ridge]

Those pipe things?

[hazy hemlock]

some of the pipes we’ve seen seem to taper off like that i wonder if it’s related

[high violet]

i think its the pipes from the alce fight, or a similar structure to them

[pseudo geyser]

could double function as places where you get crests merhaps

[real crater]

||They might be bells that we see hornet Ring||

[blissful harbor]

there are small bell icons already tho

[high violet]

||like the songshrines?||

[hazy hemlock]

they breach the top of the rooms though which makes them look like pipes that come from elsewhere

[real crater]

||Looks bell shaped to me man with like sharp ends like they are bound by something||

[viscid ridge]

That was my first thought too, but i question i because these looks like they are devided in sections, and also the pipes in the previous trailes have more of a pencil shape, while these map markers looks more like a ink pen so

[high violet]

i dont think so then, because there should be one here then

[real crater]

Maybe

[blissful harbor]

like is this not that?

[real crater]

They might be things we haven't even seen yet a new mechanic perhaps

[viscid ridge]

Not what?

[high violet]

yeah looks like a bell to me

[blissful harbor]

a songshrine

[hazy hemlock]

pretty sure these are the bells

[viscid ridge]

There are markers on themap for bells, which dont look like those stuff

[elder cobalt]

late reply but my theory:

||the left bottom most room in deep docks will go downwards and maybe to a abyss like area at the bottom of the map near the end of the game||

[high violet]

majority of this section we've already seen

with that said its like literally only a quarter of Deep Docks lmao

[real crater]

I don't think we are going down in this game it's theme is to ascend unlike hk which was to go down

[high violet]

even less than quarter

[elder cobalt]

ik we need to go up but i feel like there has to be like at least one area deeper than deep docks/mossgrotto

but yes its unlikely

[blissful harbor]

yea i doubt moss grotto is the bottom of the kingdom

[real crater]

I mean it will be like a area with just lore or like a ancient secret buried

[lapis creek]

theres probably something under the marrow, since theres a door in moss grotto going to the right

[hazy hemlock]

i think that just means that our ultimate goal is to reach the top of the kingdom

[lapis creek]

i doubt theres an abyss though

[viscid ridge]

We also seem to be able to buy a crafting kit, like in elden ring so we will be able to make our own tools, or maybe its for repairing broken ones

Mb didn't mean to reply😅

[elder cobalt]

not a large area but something linking to the abyss a bit below the area

[real crater]

So why would we waste time going down hornet seems very misson docused

[elder cobalt]

all good

[hazy hemlock]

we still travelled upwards a little bit in hollow knight

[lapis creek]

loot

[terse mural]

pail ore and basket shards idk

[lapis creek]

yes exactly

[terse mural]

following the trail of optional lore that will definitely be understood immediately

[real crater]

Why wouldn't tc put those things in ur way u are just justifying why we need a lower area

[elder cobalt]

upgrades, after all it is a metroidvania, backtracking is a heavy focus in the genre

[terse mural]

huh do you think we'll be more or less clueless than hornet on average about whats going on

[lapis creek]

because lava is at the bottom of the map obviously

[viscid ridge]

I hope we get pale ore as a resource again, im also very exited to see what hornets needle looks like when its pure

[hazy hemlock]

i don’t think we NEED a lower area just that i don’t think it’s impossible that they would include one especially if we know that void is getting some attention

[viscid ridge]

Maybe the entrance to the abyss is that one closed door in the deep docks?

[lapis creek]

i do wonder what an abyss would look like without 100000000 bodies in it

probably would be really.... really boring guys idk why you want this

[elder cobalt]

or it cvould be a sidequest from an npc who wants to investigate remnants of an ancient world

[lapis creek]

they gotta find another way to do void

[viscid ridge]

Like maybe this door goes to the abyss, i was wondering what i could be?

[hazy hemlock]

i doubt they’d just do another abyss

[elder cobalt]

something similar

[viscid ridge]

Probably just like the void sea

[elder cobalt]

void like place

[hot orchid]

I thought the bone forest was supposed to be connected to Deep Docks somewhere so maybe that's it?

[viscid ridge]

There seems to be a lot of void imagary in the trailer so i hope so

[hazy hemlock]

the abyss could just be like a geographical feature of hallownest there’s no real reason for the void to reside specifically in a big empty cavern

[elder cobalt]

zote has to be in the game because shellwood right?

[real crater]

It might be like an elevator

[blissful harbor]

it’s all for phantom ofc

[elder cobalt]

or at least refrenced in the game

[lapis creek]

what is phantom expelling from the citadel

[viscid ridge]

I think deep docks is the new name for bone forest, but i think the place where the ants live will be named the forest of bones

[terse mural]

i do wonder still how progression is going to turn out in relation to the top of the citadel. in hk it was pretty convenient that you just needed some keys to then backtrack to where the ending is, since its kind of out of the way, but backtracking from near the end sounds like itd feel a lot more deliberate, so i wonder what theyre going for there. also wonder if there would be any quests unlocked around really late into the game, then, for the same reason. but eh for all we know we've got no idea where the game will actually end, next thing ill know is itll be at fuckin moss grotto for no reason cause fuck you

[high violet]

this is the Deep Docks Demo area

[hazy hemlock]

i do think they’re definitely including void i just mean that i don’t think we’re getting the abyss 2.0

[blissful harbor]

wait a second
||wasn’t the answer to one of seth’s riddles like protector bloom or something??||

[lapis creek]

yes it was

[blissful harbor]

||what if he’s guarding delicate flowers||

[lapis creek]

and the voice has chosen him

[viscid ridge]

I think we are, its just gonna be either utilitiesed differently, or either be untouched by the rulers of pharloom

[terse mural]

might be made up of these weird spires in the background of the lighthouse room, like uh, each of them could have an inside, maybe?

[blissful harbor]

it’s TK talking through the flower they got trapped in

[terse mural]

doubt youd just find the same area But Again though

[viscid ridge]

Does anyone have any explanation for the black goop hornet thats trapped in the cacoon?

[terse mural]

shellwood is just a normal thing isnt it. probably?

[lapis creek]

old body

[viscid ridge]

Cause that has me shivering

[hot orchid]

Likely inspired by how cocoons behave in nature, how the animal inside kinda melts into nothingness before re-forming

[viscid ridge]

God i hope so, if hornet turns out to be void we will never hear the end of it 🥲🙏

[terse mural]

if theres any blatant hk fanservice in ss tho itd have to be zote's brother even though no one but me gives a single shit about that probably including tc

[cold hinge]

||is it possible that the fossils on the left and right sides of this screenshot are related to the arcane eggs in any way??||

[viscid ridge]

You guys remember the crazy moss guy with the cauldron, have you guys any idea where he might be on the map? Cause ive been looking and don't know where his room might be

[viscid ridge]

Not really, there seems to be a disgusting amount of fossils in the hk world, so much that they turned a particular part of it into currancy (geo). The ones in this screenshot apears alot in the crossroads

[blissful harbor]

in the ruined chapel somewhere

[cold hinge]

true true

but what makes the ||arcane eggs|| special besides just being old?

[viscid ridge]

But i think ive figured out where on the map tbis robot boss is

[viscid ridge]

Supposedly they are able to contain information like a usb stick or something

[cold hinge]

oh yeah right lemm said that

but he can't view all of the information

[cold hinge]

yeah the head shape on the map and the vicinity to lava in the deep docks checks out

also do we know what this is?

[viscid ridge]

From what video is that the first time i see it

[edgy stone]

Magma bell

It was shown in the new trailer as an item you can buy. It stops lava damage apparently

[viscid ridge]

Yo you're right

[pseudo geyser]

a scuffed yucky looking interpretation of scale (also including old Moss Grotto demo stitched map by Crispycocostar a while ago - https://imgur.com/a/xBUGLYm) Deep Docks is slightly off so oh well

[high violet]

very cool

[high violet]

why is this screenshot so blurry wtfrick

[edgy stone]

Phone

[cold hinge]

here's a higher quality one

[high violet]

ohhh yeah its that

same thing in the middle

[viscid ridge]

You guys think we'll be able to upgrade our tool capacity cause it seems like the limit is six at the moment

[edgy stone]

Oh it is the exact same emblem. I was just assuming ngl

Only thing that made logical sense

[cold hinge]

idk I feel like 6 tools is a pretty good amount

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but i mean in terms of charms we could upgrade our charm slots to like 11

[cold hinge]

yeah but that doesn't mean you'd have 11 charms equipped

I think that they're just making it simpler so that all tools cost 1 tool slot (I hope) but also maybe I'm totally wrong who knows

[viscid ridge]

True true

[cold hinge]

another thing, in the new trailer, we see what seems to be the same tool, but different colors, so maybe you can change the element of elemental tools?? based on the sprites we saw of electric hornet, maybe the purple one is lightning and the orange one is fire?

[hazy hemlock]

i think so yeah

[runic musk]

i mean it could just be a different tool but colored differently

instead of it being the one same tool

[high violet]

i think purple might be poisoned

[hazy hemlock]

we know the orange one infuses her attacks with fire and surrounds her with like a fiery aura and we saw sprites with hornet surrounded by a kind of electric aura before so i’m guessing that’s probably what it is

[cold hinge]

yeah I was thinking about the fire aura and how it was kinda similar to the sprites we saw so that was my conclusion too

I'm curious about what the elements actually do though. maybe elemental weaknesses on enemies?

[high violet]

purple

[runic musk]

im curious about how elemental damage will come into play and if its possible to make yourself do 0 damage to a particular enemy for fun

[cold hinge]

wait you're kinda cooking especially since the lightning we saw was much brighter and pinker

[hazy hemlock]

the metallic/armoured enemies might be weak to electricity or something

[hazy hemlock]

oh shit

[cunning dirge]

i like purple

[cold hinge]

the thing about elemental weaknesses is that it makes it so that there's like an objectively best set of tools to use to fight certain enemies or bosses and that's kinda boring so I hope that's not it 😭 (also I completely forgot about the metallic enemies)

[high violet]

same

[hazy hemlock]

yeah the electricity is pink and it’s pink on the sprite sheet too

[high violet]

this is probs a close area to where she gets the electric infused ability from

also how many fucking synergies are there

because there seems to be a shit ton from what we've seen in sprites and stuff so far

[hazy hemlock]

u can still totally use suboptimal builds that are more fun to u (i’m a sharp shadow and grimmchild warrior so i’m well acquainted with suboptimal builds)

[cold hinge]

on the topic of elemental tools I was looking for more and found these? Although they're definitely more of a stretch as the sprites are a bit more different from each other. Keep in mind these are from trailers that are 3 years apart so it's possible sprites just changed or something

[cold hinge]

I mean yeah don't get me wrong I'll run a fun build over a meta build any day but I still think it's more fun if most builds are equally powerful, and just play differently

[hazy hemlock]

i think if they did elemental weaknesses it would just come down to balancing the number and difficulty of enemies that are weak to each type

[cunning dirge]

i assume the blue is that lifeblood syridage thing

[cold hinge]

yes it is

[hazy hemlock]

so you couldn’t blast through 40 different enemy types with fire attacks and only 10 types with electric or whatever

[cold hinge]

because of the nature of the lifeblood syringe and how it gives you more health, I'm super confused on what the other one would do if it was another elemental counterpart. It looks like it might be like an electric plasma ball kinda thing? but I'm not sure. If it is lightning I'm gonna guess that's what gives you the lightning aura we saw before

[charred dragon]

do we have any idea what the difference is between blue and yellow tools yet

[cold hinge]

maybe as a contrast to the healing capabilities of the lifeblood, it does damage to enemies around you or something?

[high violet]

lmao hornet stabs herself

[high violet]

blue is passive from the looks of it

[cold hinge]

I'm pretty sure that there are different types of tools that are indicated by color, and different crests have different numbers of slots for different types of tools

[charred dragon]

the active ones we've seen are all red so presumably both are passive

[hazy hemlock]

i think that syringe on the left is probably the most likely candidate we’ve seen so far for the electric aura

the blue is obvs lifeblood

[high violet]

yeh, one of hte blue tools so far wards off the effects of lava and heat

i wonder how much fossils this is equivalent to

[hazy hemlock]

they might both be passive but one might be defensive and the other offensive

[charred dragon]

don't know if there are any more recent screenshots showing any yellow tools

[hazy hemlock]

red seems to be offensive but not passive

[cunning dirge]

im still so curiouus what this does

[charred dragon]

could be that yellow is movement stuff

[hazy hemlock]

oh true

[high violet]

i think thertes actually a way to find out

[cold hinge]

there are a few others shown as icons in the top left throughout the trailers

[high violet]

ok so the one movement stuff we've seen so far doesnt take a yellow slot so i cant confirm nor deny

but there could also just be multiple types of movement abilities, like ones that are required for progression and ones that help with traversing

[high violet]

cool catch

[cold hinge]

there is this screenshot where hornet has a green thing on her silk meter without any visual indicator of a tool doing that, could that be the work of a yellow tool or maybe a consumable?

[viscid ridge]

I think its the backdash move, or maybe the wall climb

[cunning dirge]

yeah maybe

[cold hinge]

another example of a modified hud without a tool icon for something that might do that

[runic musk]

wonder what the skull means

[cold hinge]

it's also possible that both the cracked mask and the green silk meter work like lifeblood cocoons, and they're just little buffs you find from exploring

[viscid ridge]

I think the bead is supposed to make your silk requirement smaller, similar to soul catcher or spell twister, but i cant prove it

[cold hinge]

that sounds right, but the real question is how you get it

[quartz salmon]

seems related to those mossberries

[cold hinge]

omg wait I forgot about mossberries

[viscid ridge]

I think it is a tool, but i dont think the passive tools show as an icon, but in its effects

[cold hinge]

that could be something

[viscid ridge]

So i think the passive tools works more like charms, than the offensive and defensive tools

[quartz salmon]

im excited that the game also has like fetch/hunting quests even if its just to extend playtime im glad i get additional little shit to do it makes you appreciate this beautiful handcrafted game even more

[cold hinge]

well we know that the blue tools do have little icons (at least the lava protection one does) so either it's a yellow tool and yellow tools don't have icons, or it's something else entirely

[cold hinge]

ikr I'm so excited to do all of them as soon as I'm able to

also, completely unrelated, but does anyone know what this tool does? I've never seen it before

[viscid ridge]

Like my speculation is that
Red tools: Extra weapons like the throwing daggers, spikes boomerangs

Blue tools: More effects, like the lifeblood needles, and the elemental greases for weapons

Yellow tools: Like charms, extends needle length maybe, faster hit speed, more silk gathered, maybe mechanical pets etc

And the blue and red ones are activated manually, while the yellow tools are automatic

[cold hinge]

oh wait are the needles blue?

[viscid ridge]

I was also wondering, it looks like a blunderbuss to me

[viscid ridge]

Idk but i think they are

[pseudo geyser]

Wonder if Conductor Romino will be a boss

[viscid ridge]

Maybe he is passive like monomon, wonder what he looks like

[cold hinge]

if the 2019 build is still relevant, the syringe is red

[high violet]

i think red just actively affects some part of gameplay from your input

like lifeblood syringe adds hearts, and all the other tools can be used as attacks from your input

blue ones dont require your input to activate from the looks of it

[viscid ridge]

Yeah then i think the lifeblood is a red idk i have to play silksong ive been waiting so long man

[cold hinge]

yeah that sounds right to me, but we still have no idea what yellow ones are 😭

[cold hinge]

unbelievably real 😔 🙏

[high violet]

actively affects gameplay, passively affects gameplay and uhhhh, what else is there

[cold hinge]

maybe your definitions are too broad? actively affecting gameplay is a very large umbrella

[viscid ridge]

I still think the yellow ones are basically charms, but we'll have to play the game to see

[high violet]

yeah im keeping it broad for now because i genuinely dont know other than that

[terse mural]

3. doesnt affect gameplay ✍️

[viscid ridge]

There was no use of the tools in the demos was there?

[terse mural]

the throwing pins in the demo right

[high violet]

yeah those are red

[viscid ridge]

Nothing on the yellow ones?

[cold hinge]

okay wait maybe the yellow ones affect your special moves? Like these things?

like the crest might define your basic moveset, but different yellow tools change your special ability?

[high violet]

i dont think so because those abilities have a different spot thats taken up in a crest

it could be perhaps extra moves tho

[cold hinge]

yeah you're right I'm just grasping at threads 😭

[high violet]

but those particular moves you attached take up a different spot in the crest

[cold hinge]

I was thinking about that, and I was trying to find footage of the same crest doing different moves, but there just isn't enough footage to see

[terse mural]

imagine telling someone in early 2020 we're still just as clueless on what the yellow tools do in late 2025

maybe it could be the difference between passive effects self contained in charms and effects that influence your preexisting moveset?

[high violet]

oh ive actually gone really in depth into this, crests change your entire moveset

[terse mural]

like lifeblood core just gives you temporary masks meanwhile shape of unn lets you move while focusing

[high violet]

with no exceptions so far

[terse mural]

yeah crets are crazy

[high violet]

also crests moves have vaguely different colour tints

so weavers might have specific colours associated with them