sk-lore

[sleek canopy]

Narkers maybe

[high violet]

Also this is the zoomed out map we still haven't seen a zoomed in one

[vast brook]

i dont think

[sleek canopy]

Guys

[foggy fractal]

also there seems like theres a new member of the flea caravan

[dark root]

Its one of the most important things in hk lore after all

[silk jungle]

I am thinking a paralel , or how a deepnest area was caught by void

[dusk mantle]

i hope so

[sleek canopy]

There may be a layer two

[silk jungle]

a sort of area sucumbed to the void perhcance

[sleek canopy]

I see

[nova patio]

why is hornet void

[marble topaz]

She ain't.

[river coyote]

No.

[odd jackal]

information we can get from this:
forgedaughter doesnt like fighting
the other bugs have lost their minds?

[silk jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1196553274036338759/1373383564430934106/attachment.gif

[half creek]

Ahhh stop showing me map

[nova patio]

a void thing appears when she breaks the cocoon

[sleek canopy]

Soul

[vast brook]

sry 🙃

[lapis creek]

log off

[half creek]

a stain

[odd jackal]

"now they've lost the mind to care"

[sleek canopy]

Past life

[nova patio]

what

[foggy fractal]

can't say everything that's pure black is void

[marble topaz]

Ooh, well spotted.

[half creek]

what jinn says

[lapis creek]

typically bugs' bodies come apart when they go into cocoons, at least i think that's how it works irl

[silk jungle]

Shadow

[odd jackal]

seriously dont be in the spoilers channel if you dont want spoilers

[half creek]

wait not jinn. who?

[lapis creek]

it's clearly not void the particles behave differently

[foggy fractal]

jiji ?

[nova patio]

when are shadows mentioned in hollow knight

[dusk mantle]

its literally jinn

[fossil wraith]

Oh yeah probably. Still the bench marker is off to the side when that bench is in the middle of the room

[river coyote]

Probably falls to the ground

[sleek canopy]

[lapis creek]

also it's jiji and the hunter who say that

[dusk mantle]

then idk

[nova patio]

yuh what that

[lapis creek]

but it's not clear that that's what happens to hornet

[dusk mantle]

same thing

[silk jungle]

cookie crumble

[half creek]

yeah i could but i will just skim over it it doesnt really matter

[lapis creek]

a similar theory is molt

[nova patio]

is hornet screen transition

[river coyote]

Imprisoned Void maybe?

[nova patio]

what da hell is an imprisoned void

[sleek canopy]

Hornet is not void related, that could a shadow or anything

[river coyote]

The Big Bad might be using void for something

[vast brook]

what are these??

[nova patio]

wtf are shadows

[lapis creek]

guys her body is black that is clearly some modification of her body, which is not void

[odd jackal]

ITS NOT VOID HORNET IS NOT VOID

[high violet]

It doesnt really behave like void to me, but also I think its really dunny that we're discussing hornet void again

[odd jackal]

pointy thing

[vast brook]

wdym

[lapis creek]

people like to make things up without necessarily trying to make it make sense

[tiny prairie]

Why is Hornet called Hornet

[odd jackal]

its the pointy thing

[nova patio]

oh

[lapis creek]

but there are plenty of sensible explanations

[dark root]

Maybe hemolyph considering shes part spider idk

[sleek canopy]

It's what is made after you block a light with something

[odd jackal]

she was raised by the hive queen (scrapped lore from hk)

[lapis creek]

not a bad answer i like where youre going with this

[dark root]

The daughter of three queens, one born, one raised, one trained

[lapis creek]

most likely NOT canon since the hive is closed to outsiders, but I guess we will find out in 2 weeks

[nova patio]

maybe in the land of silksong things cant really die which is why they're being puppetted or something

so when she dies she doesnt actually die

theory so ass everyone stops typing

[river coyote]

Watch everything we say get disproved in the first 5 minutes

[lapis creek]

i mean yeah they could very easily retcon it and it would still kind of fit

[iron pendant]

My first guess was those are the weaver chambers we get abilities from

[odd jackal]

forge daughter says in this new trailer "they've since lost the mind to care" which to me reads like them being zombified

[robust silo]

I love how they casually were like "oh yeah here is the map btw:

[dark root]

IT all boils down to the influence of the silk somehow

[foggy fractal]

what about the influence of the song...

[odd jackal]

cant wait for the creator of hallownest.net to go insane trying to map out silksong

[silk tiger]

I doubt that, i think its her exoskeleton after "molting" out of her old one (aka dying), and crumbling to dust right after

[river coyote]

Wait yeah I may be stupid

[dark root]

Yeah that's what I presume, since we all estabilished that hornet is obviously not void

[nova patio]

actually its hornet's sister taking the original hornet's place

[dark root]

As i've said perhaps hemolyph or the exoskeleton

[silk tiger]

Its still kind of creepy to see dead hornet in a fetal position tho

[odd jackal]

its not hornet its actually a hornet-shaped sibling

[dark root]

That's what spiders do when they die

[fossil wraith]

This marker seems to mark the forge daughter

[nova patio]

when you die the original hornet is permanently dead and every revive is another nosk filling in her place

[odd jackal]

and the room right above it is the lace fight

image based on the 2019 demo btw

[tacit osprey]

Hornet dies

Spoilers mb

[dark root]

Hl2 level leak

[fossil wraith]

These three spots on the map have little villages and the map places all the markers on things in them neatly in a row on top of the place instead of exactly where they would be. I point this out because I don't think those ball things would do that if they were placed by a player.

[river coyote]

Maybe people can’t die in Pharloom so Hornet just gets brought back, could also be why “they’ve since lost the mind to care”
(I’m probably thinking too much like it’s Elden Ring though )

[dark root]

That would be a dope plot twist

[dark root]

Maybe they are a default icon for villages idk

[blissful harbor]

does that say craw lake in the top corner
is there gonna be a lake full of birds

[fossil wraith]

But that wouldn't make sense because a lot of them are in spots that don't seem to have villages and pilgrims rest doesn't have it

[sinful nimbus]

crawdad i think

[blissful harbor]

if you mean the gold one, i think that’s a quest board icon

[dark root]

It looks like one of those placeable markers in hk

[empty fog]

so the Anthill is called Hunter's March?

the ant area, or like, where the ants live

cause the ants are in far fields too

[quartz salmon]

I assumed it's called the hunters March because that's where the Huntress lives but you may be right too

[empty fog]

another thing, these guys look too much like this spirit to be a coincidence.

[odd jackal]

definely related

[empty fog]

the hunters are probably what the ants are called, after all their queen is called "Hunter Queen" Carmelita

[quartz salmon]

I see yeah

[fossil wraith]

No but it's getting moved up into the same row as the bench and forge daughter markers on top of the village which doesn't make sense if they were player placed. Also doesn't make sense for it to be a quest board marker because we see them all over the map

[foggy fractal]

hello arch

[quartz salmon]

I guess I expected a more sprawling area for the ant faction since, well, they're ants, not this corridor like place but it's fine

[empty fog]

hello andy

[foggy fractal]

gahhh silksong in just 2 weeks

really excited for that weaver looking boss

[half creek]

I think these rooms are connected

[foggy fractal]

looks like it

[raven cove]

wow new channel

[quartz salmon]

looks like you'll be able to speak to a lot of npcs

seen a lot of passive bugs on the foreground

[fossil wraith]

I think there might be multiple ant colonies on the map. There seem to be some ants in multiple areas. The hunters march also looks to have one sub area you enter through a door like the shaman places in HK

[feral thistle]

Silksong has a lot of non aggressive npcs, does that mean the hostile ones are attacking you of their own will?

I wonder if there's some kind of bounty on hornets head

[quartz salmon]

well probably not since theyre being like controlled by silk
and song

[river coyote]

Wasn’t she taken but then escaped

[feral thistle]

ROLL CREDITS

[fossil wraith]

I think a lot of different enemies have different reasons for attacking hornet

[river coyote]

They probably put a bounty on her head after that

[dark root]

Aren't there the Steel soul guys that seem to go after her?

[quartz salmon]

excited to finally learn about those guys
they seem to be explicitly tied to void stuff

[feral thistle]

Does this mean we'll meet steel soul djinn

[dark root]

Perhaps in a similar way as jinn is

[quartz salmon]

nahhh but maybe we'll meet her "Masters" which she said are similar to the knight if i remember correctly?

[fossil wraith]

Some bugs are likely just wild and not really sentient so they attack her, some are probably controlled by silk, some are trying to catch her, some seem to be machines(?) and the ants might be like the mantis tribe

[spark valve]

pretty much

[feral thistle]

Wasn't godtamer an ant too

[spark valve]

no

[feral thistle]

I forgor

[midnight zinc]

This has me thinking, the end of the trailer with the release date has void and the Abyss theme playing in the background. I’ve always suspected void would show up in some capacity, albeit way less than in HK, but this basically confirms it in my mind, no idea why else they’d put that in there.

[feral thistle]

She looks kinda similar

[raven cove]

She’s a cockroach

[sinful nimbus]

Void in the trailer is an oversight I pray

[snow cosmos]

It's a reference to the endless void of waiting for silksong

[spark valve]

void in the trailer is lame but whatever

[raven cove]

There is no Void in Ba Sing Se

[fossil wraith]

I think you're thinking of the godseeker because I'm pretty god tamer is an ant

[raven cove]

You guys are coping Void will definitely be in the game

[spark valve]

god tamer's not an ant if anything she's a cockroach per backer comments

[raven cove]

Maybe Hornet will even get a Shade Cloak type power up

[mighty oyster]

This bug might be like a nailmaster or a nail smith

[feral thistle]

wtf, cockroaches are real in hollow knight?

[sinful nimbus]

Never cook again

[raven cove]

I don’t think that’s canon anyway

[severe siren]

Its ok for void to be in as long as its not like the entire point of the game

[dark root]

Doesnt she have it from the beginning idk?

[feral thistle]

That would be so ass

[sinful nimbus]

Its not okay for void to be in and I'll leave a negative review

[spark valve]

sure so long as it's not a drag whatever

[severe siren]

Theyve been really hiding the steel assassins i wonder how they will function

[raven cove]

What? How would she have shade cloak? She isn’t Void????

[feral thistle]

Praying the whole void connection is just a coincidence

[raven cove]

Not a coincidence just accept it

[feral thistle]

We want SILK and SONG not void and soul

[quartz salmon]

so interesting

[dark root]

Aren't they related to void?

[fossil wraith]

Why are so many of you against void?

[midnight zinc]

No idea why it would be. But also I’m not sure why it wouldn’t be in the game at all, or at least never mentioned, considering it had such an important role in the twilight days of Hornet’s homeland.

[sinful nimbus]

void is mid and lame

[severe siren]

Turns out the release date was submerged in the void lake this entire time

[vestal swan]

There was always the possibility of the steel troupe being void connected, but I don't want to see it show back up

[sinful nimbus]

retreading old ground for no reason

[raven cove]

If you’d asked me yesterday I would have said probably not but since you’re asking today then probably

[feral thistle]

The void was always the Knight's element, not Hornet's

[spark valve]

steel gang being connected to void is totally unsubstantiated

[feral thistle]

Her story being related to it wouldn't make sense thematically or lore-wise

[foggy fractal]

hello giant enemy fool

[severe siren]

If steel assassins ARE related to void, hopefully they can use it in a more creative and new way, like some malleable mystery goo

[raven cove]

stop complaining void has tons of aura, there’s a reason people love the void god ending

maybe it will appear in silksong

[feral thistle]

Is this guy ragebaiting 😭

[tough snow]

hey fellas how are we all feeling

[spark valve]

if it's there but not really used as the entirety of what void is eh that just seems shallow

[raven cove]

void is cool how is that ragebait???

[feral thistle]

We're silking it so good

[midnight zinc]

Void is by far the most interesting but also unexplained metaphysical/magical force in the game, I’m absolutely glad that it’ll show up in some capacity. Definitely isn’t central to the main conflict like the last game though.

[eternal gazelle]

I think regardless of how important it ends up being to silksong's plot, the fact that it exists across the world instead of just under hallownest is important worldbuilding

[raven cove]

I thought ppl liked void yeah

[severe siren]

It could be used in a new way
Like imagine steel being a conduit for void or something

[feral thistle]

It WAS cool, now its old

The gimmick died, just let it rest

[spark valve]

void by nature could basically just be used for anything

[raven cove]

its not old. its only been in one game

[odd jackal]

hornet void is old, now we got steel soul void

[dark root]

Yeah then it would directly correlate to the Steel assassins that are probably related to void

[raven cove]

I think if hornet got a void silk infused type power up that would be so awesome

[feral thistle]

Hollow Knight is too pg-13 for ts 😭

[vestal swan]

It would be terrible

[eternal gazelle]

upgraded from sentient oil well to fundamental force of nature

[river coyote]

If hornet and lace aren’t enemies to lovers then we gotta review bomb the game ||/J||

[raven cove]

why? idk much about the lore and stuff but i think void is really cool and mysterious

[terse wadi]

What Hornet lore we got

[raven cove]

maybe in ss we learn more about it

[midnight zinc]

This is what I’m saying. This makes the world more interesting, I want to actually know what void is and where it comes from. Maybe the steel assassins know way more about it than the PK did.

[severe siren]

Watch TC not care and include 10 lore contradictions in the DLCs and then you meet the Hollow Knight

[river coyote]

What happened here

[feral thistle]

The void story is over my guy, the mc used it to kill the main evil dude (whose existence is antithesis of void) and then also had a bonus ending where mc achieved its full potential

[spark valve]

If I had a Time Machine and knew where the steel void thing started somebody would be getting smothered in the crib

[fossil wraith]

I think there might be a little nod to there being something to keep void out of farloom, maybe even an alternate ending with it but I don't think it will be a large part of the game and almost definitely not a part of hornet's abilities

[raven cove]

how is the void story over

[eternal gazelle]

possible but also it's not like PK's failures were uniquely attributed to the void

[raven cove]

we dont know anything avout boid

[eternal gazelle]

it's kind of a miracle that it was even remotely applicable to the radiance's bullshit

[terse wadi]

Wrong

[spark valve]

We know quite a bit about how it behaves

[blissful harbor]

that’s TK’s story, not the voids
we still know nothing about void’s origins, if it exists in other parts of the world and how other use it

[terse wadi]

We know it's gvoid

[feral thistle]

Hornet isn't related to void and saying otherwise would make the first game entirely redundant

[raven cove]

how is it a miracle its just light vs darkness

[vestal swan]

Basically the only missing piece of the void lore is the origin, like almost every tribe and God and magic element in the game

[raven cove]

void opposes light maybe the haunting is also a light and thats why there is void in pharloom

[fossil wraith]

It could be it's not in the base game and one of the future dlc focus more on it

[eternal gazelle]

I mean the fact that he found something so well suited to stopping her right under his nose

[minor shadow]

I think it started in the game when Steel Soul Jinn compares the Knight to her masters after getting the Void Heart

[midnight zinc]

Obviously, I’m just saying he really never said anything about its source. Also I’m remembering now that there was the Abyss expansion that never happened, so it’s even less surprising that it’s showing up in SS. Maybe we can get that leviathan creature that was attacking the lighthouse in that one concept sketch 😍

[coarse sapphire]

i guess this is where the 2nd Lace fight take place I also dont really see any paths that lead up

[feral thistle]

Its SILKSONG not VOIDVOID 😭

[severe siren]

Blah blah void this void that i just wanna know how caravan extracted the lifeblood needle (if you get it from them specifically anyways)

[terse wadi]

Still amuses me that the entire chain of events of HK are because Moths are very fickle

[raven cove]

maybe hornet can use the void to stop the haunting just like the knight in hollow knight vs radiance

it would be a cool call back to hk

[severe siren]

Like did they find a cocoon and have a bunch of stock now

[feral thistle]

I mean lifeblood clearly exists outside of hallownest so no reason why pharloom cant use it

[eternal gazelle]

shared elements between 2 games that take place in the same universe isn't the end of the world

[sinful nimbus]

Lamesauce shared elements are

[eternal gazelle]

like nobody cares that lumaflies are in pharloom

[terse wadi]

Isn't it banned in Hallownest

[severe siren]

How prevalent ARE cocoons in the universe outside hallownest and is lifeblood still taboo in other regions

[raven cove]

no its not banned was just a taboo

[tough snow]

why doesn’t hornet just call the avengers for help

[terse wadi]

The Semantical line is very thin here

[keen halo]

She owes iron man 5 dollars

[spark valve]

it spreads via dreams so there's no reason for it to be localized anywhere (though it might be absent in totally isolated areas without anybody to bring the idea along)

[midnight zinc]

Yeah I’m actually PISSED that Team Cherry is so goddamn lazy that instead of making up new characters, they’re just reusing an old one for the protagonist

[raven cove]

no its an important distinction

[river coyote]

They’re busy eating Shawarma

[tough snow]

how

[blissful harbor]

one gets you side eyes the other gets you arrested

[keen halo]

No clue

[feral thistle]

What could hornet possibly do with void that would be more interesting than what we've already seen in hk

[severe siren]

Did you guys see the new screenshots by the way
https://www.gog.com/en/game/hollow_knight_silksong

[dark root]

Yeah it was shown there a couple times

[spark valve]

(mild trypophobia warning on one of them)

[eternal gazelle]

I don't think it needs to be more interesting because it doesn't need to be plot critical

[crystal marsh]

@leaden bison it does, because seal-breaking bugs exist

[river coyote]

I hope Void is the main focus of Silksong just because of your void hate

[eternal gazelle]

it can just be another area

[terse wadi]

depends on the societal structure, in some old cultures Taboo was tantamount to illegal but perhaps less so in todays society

[severe siren]

Oh true

[keen halo]

Cannot wait to fight the big guy in the ye.low zone

[midnight zinc]

You’re incorrectly assuming that the void will be used by Hornet just because it’s in the game

[raven cove]

If it were forbidden by the explicit command of a deity, it wouldn’t be called a taboo

[feral thistle]

I dont hate void I just dont care for it and wanna move on to the SILK and SONG elements of the new game

[severe siren]

Let me strum my needolin in peace

[raven cove]

Maybe the song is related to void

[terse wadi]

idrc as long as the "hornet is void" meme dies

[foggy fractal]

this involves both silk and song !

[spark valve]

void is silence 🤓

[midnight zinc]

Yeah you’re right, there’s void in the new game so they had to remove all the silk stuff, that’s how that works lmao

[keen halo]

Understandable, I really want to see how this new area runs

[feral thistle]

I will tear my hair out if this actually happens

[raven cove]

yeah maybe thats how they stop the haunting

[severe siren]

Unfortunately not cause of the bit where a black imprint of hornet is in her cocoon whenever she dies

[terse mural]

if void is in silksong we might finally founded what the FUCK is going on in ending E e

[spark valve]

ok but fr this name is impossible to take seriously

[raven cove]

Hornet harnesses the properties of Void to stop a light just like her father before her

[severe siren]

So that joke will still continue being used

[tough snow]

hornet should just exorcise the bugs

[feral thistle]

"Haunted kingdom" could mean literally anything y'all getting way too stuck up on that

[raven cove]

It would be really poetic maybe pale king could even show up as a spirit and guide her

[terse wadi]

sigh

[dark root]

Its probably a carcass/hemolyph btw

[feral thistle]

Its just a vague way to say "this place is troubled"

[terse mural]

to this day i wake up at night in a cold sweat thinking "why did they make any of that"

[keen halo]

Hope we get more bug ghosts, they were cool as hell in the original

[fossil wraith]

Maybe if you just go far enough down anywhere in the HK/SS world you'll just encounter void. I don't think we know exactly how far it reaches or if it's in any way unique to hollow nest

[severe siren]

Yeah or a reference to Jiji’s dialogue about people leaving imprints on death

[spark valve]

at some point you just have to accept it's bad

[dark root]

Entirely possible

[midnight zinc]

I have a theory: Team Cherry started to hate the fanbase for demanding news from them and disrespecting them on Reddit, so to take revenge on their fans, they’re putting in an ending to the game where Hornet fuses with the void, thus making all of the “Hornet is void” jokes of the past ten years retroactively correct.

[terse mural]

for NOW!!!! #notcope

[pure belfry]

Since this channel has perms, I just wanted to say Fleafather has a little mustache and I think that's very important to the lore

[feral thistle]

Which one? Shadowlord ending?

[terse wadi]

Well, considering their willingness to make possibly a morbillion DLCs I hope we get void exapnsion

[spark valve]

I mean nothing they could do in SS would fix it

[keen halo]

Agreed, can’t wait!

[raven cove]

I hope theres no void expansion

[river coyote]

She absorbs all of the void to rid the lands of it, becoming Half void so she’s both Void and Not Void

[vestal swan]

They don't pay much attention to the community, who would want to be swayed by all of these trolls in the middle of making a game

[terse mural]

but speaking seriously, the only reason i agree is because they make it nigh impossible to make a proper judgement on it when theres barely any info on whats going on whatsoever

[keen halo]

Fair enough

[midnight zinc]

That’s what they want you to think, sheep

[coral wedge]

figuring out ss lore might take years

[feral thistle]

What in the quantum superposition

[keen halo]

They’re a mod

[raven cove]

It will take me two weeks

[spark valve]

nah there's like nothing new happening actually

[raven cove]

Mods don’t work for TC

[terse mural]

idk about "fixing" it but actually letting us know Whats Even Happening At All would certainly help

[spark valve]

it's dream no more again

[terse wadi]

Admins work for TC at least Benji and Simo do

[river coyote]

Trust, it’s gonna happen 100%

[terse mural]

where, wdym

[midnight zinc]

Well considering people are still arguing in #hk-lore

[balmy reef]

Benji and Simo work with TC, Curly and Zal don’t

[foggy fractal]

i work for tc too haha !

[raven cove]

mossbag will figure out the lore in 1 day

[terse mural]

no im not talking about normal embrace the void. it wouldnt make any sense for the variation that makes it different and plays solemn music instead of the vaguely spooky one to not be different

[terse wadi]

"Shaw"

[dark root]

Hes leth undercover btw

[vestal swan]

Based on his old track record it'll take four years

[spark valve]

oh, the flower also doesn't really matter most likely

[terse mural]

the secret version that most people only know of thanks to the internet

[midnight zinc]

Ari definitely drew a bunch of sick concept art for the Abyss expansion back in like 2017 that never got used in HK, and it was just too cool to never use so they’re shoehorning in void to this game.

[dark root]

ikr

[raven cove]

No offense but he is a certified lore master

[vestal swan]

I think there's going to be a lot of things that stay on the cutting room floor

[terse mural]

then refer back to question one: why did they make it why draw and score and program and write any of that

[terse wadi]

I prefer wall spaghetti

[vestal swan]

The ratio of horribly incorrect videos to decent ones is not in favor of that statement

[sinful nimbus]

Because TC sucks and we should stone them on September 3rd

[raven cove]

what do you mean? I thought everyone agreed he was the authority on the lore

[dark root]

I think we need to compile another document about the whole of Silksong before release

[raven cove]

I learned all of the lore from his videos

[sinful nimbus]

I'm the authority on lore.

[terse mural]

true or shrue chat? you deside

[empty fog]

IT DEFINITELY IS NOT

[terse wadi]

The Authority of lore is Grover imo

[severe siren]

Who TF is this

[foggy fractal]

i'm not the authority on lore i am here because we have perms and actual discussion

[minor shadow]

Just straight insulting my man mossbag, for shame. Not saying he's perfect but still

[terse wadi]

a guy

[midnight zinc]

Also while I consciously know that they said all endings are equally canon, the fact that the last two endings that they added to the game are cliffhangers, partially related to Hornet, and raise more questions than they answer, gives me a gut feeling that they will tie into SS somehow. Definitely willing to be proven wrong though.

[raven cove]

I dont even know who you are

[foggy fractal]

no idea but they look cool !

[empty fog]

some guy pretending to be a weaver, i imagine

[eternal gazelle]

Gruzzer Milk will return in silksong I'm sure of it

[loud shale]

he's the original silksonger

[midnight zinc]

Yo mama

[balmy reef]

mossbag is very good at presenting information well, he’s for sure the best lore presenter

[lapis creek]

i know that was a rhetorical question but I think most developers would have done things differently

[sinful nimbus]

Then your understanding of the lore is significantly flawed

[terse wadi]

If you say so boss

[spark valve]

might actually be a spider, doesn't look quite like a weaver but could be related

[lapis creek]

you can say whatever you want about if it was good or bad

[vestal swan]

Collector back on his bullshit trying to wear a disguise

[balmy reef]

He’s also not a monolith and gets a lot of help with theories and stuff

[raven cove]

who? never heard of a youtuber by that name

[feral thistle]

Weaver pilgrim? idk

[terse wadi]

YT?

Bro

[raven cove]

i am just saying in a week i think mossbag will have 99% of the lore figured out

[terse mural]

the one matter we need a conclusive answer in

[loud shale]

There's void particles and abyss ambience in the end of the trailer

[raven cove]

then we will be referring to his video for years

[loud shale]

VOID CONFIRMED

[spark valve]

dustroach milk 100%

[feral thistle]

He's still trying to figure out hollow knight lore lmao

[spark valve]

that was what they were called right

[lapis creek]

i suppose you've got it all figured out

[raven cove]

no he released complete lore of hk years ago

[eternal gazelle]

something like that

[terse mural]

i think so yeah

[terse wadi]

SS lore will hugely expand HK lore just by existing in the same universe imo

[feral thistle]

Not at all what I implied

[dark root]

I think its more about these endings are more of "what-if" scenarios that give us a new look on the lore altought they may be not canon in the hk-ss world

[raven cove]

A lot of people have it all figured out its not that complicated

[loud shale]

greymoor has blue hues btw. Why is that, I wonder. every scene looks slightly more saturated.

[spark valve]

sure the world will be bigger

[raven cove]

what are you talking about hollow knight isnt lotr

[spark valve]

it's raining

[terse mural]

but all...

[raven cove]

its pretty simple for anyone with a third grade reading comprehension

[sinful nimbus]

ss will have realistic weather simulation

[severe siren]

What The Voice does to a mf

[sinful nimbus]

in Greymoor and Craw Lake

[loud shale]

his voice sounds goofy lol

[terse mural]

radiant again 💔

[lapis creek]

hey what if trobbio gives us his wings

[coarse sapphire]

then what do you think

[foggy fractal]

solar flare aahh attack

[spark valve]

can't wait for the trobbio/seth duo fight

[midnight zinc]

Interesting way of looking at it. I just think it’s really stupid to have cliffhanger endings like that, ones that introduce all this weird shit without explanation, and then never follow up on any of it in the sequel that was already in the works

[pure belfry]

Gay fleas?

[empty fog]

the 2nd lace fight is at the top of the Citadel

[severe siren]

My theory is you get double jump wings from him

[feral thistle]

What the hell does this mean 😭

[loud shale]

Do you guys think that the last judge voice has changed?

[spark valve]

his wings are pretty visually distinct

[minor shadow]

Gay robit

[severe siren]

Nevermind true

[coarse sapphire]

isnt the top of the citadel literally endgame

[midnight zinc]

Roommates

[empty fog]

yes

[feral thistle]

Hey its notMantisLords

[pure belfry]

Do you see how the one sitting down is looking at him?

[terse mural]

there's like 4 last judges and theyre all the alst. just like the third strongest mole

[loud shale]

wtf

[terse mural]

they needed to reuse content somewhere to yknow really stretch out that dev time

[coarse sapphire]

well Lace isnt the final boss then if she were to be at the top she would be like second to last

[empty fog]

imagine it as like, when hornet is in front of the black egg before you fight THK, but instead of encouraging you you have to fight her. That's the kind of thing that is, i think

[feral thistle]

His expression is more nefarious than freaky

[coarse sapphire]

I dont think Lace is at the top of the citadel

[dark root]

Its more about reflecting the nature of the knight i guess, but yeah i agree its kinda dumb to leave those kinds of cliffhangers Half life style

[coarse sapphire]

more like right below the citadel

[empty fog]

well all evidence points towards it being the case

[pure belfry]

You can be nefarious AND freaky

[loud shale]

has anyone talked about the void reference yet

[midnight zinc]

Isn’t Seth below the citadel?

[lapis creek]

nope i think you might be the first

[feral thistle]

Way too much

[loud shale]

Cool

[midnight zinc]

Yeah it started a big argument, a lot of people don’t like it for dumb and lame reasons, cool people think it’s awesome and epic and sick

[loud shale]

lol I saw it just now

[empty fog]

we know the citadel has giant pipes going through it and we know the pipes converge at the top, and the lace arena is where all the pipes converge

[coarse sapphire]

it kinda looks similar I think there are white petals in the background

[feral thistle]

Can we murder alus

[empty fog]

the white petals are in many places

[coarse sapphire]

becuase its all near the top lol

[loud shale]

bruhhh

[spark valve]

I'm sure it's been pointed out that this either is or has the same design as the last judge arena

[terse wadi]

Ah HK/SS lore arguements how I missed you

[dark root]

Also yeah i remembered that pharloom may be the origin of those pale petals

[zenith relic]

pre-hk or post-hk?

[sinful nimbus]

after he's totally humbled once no void shows up in ss

[river coyote]

Can we murder Grimm

[foggy fractal]

hornet anime !!!!!

[feral thistle]

Its silksover

[terse wadi]

"This is a thing" "nuh-uh"

[empty fog]

yeah, but i think personally the white petals are connected to the final boss at the top of the citadel

[severe siren]

Yeah thats last judge arena
Definitely a major boss

[empty fog]

and like, the pipes are literally at the top

[midnight zinc]

If that happens I’m boycotting Australia

[terse mural]

fromsoft boss cutscenes surely

[empty fog]

we saw a miniature model of the citadel and it had the pipes converging at the top

[feral thistle]

On ALUS' soul ts happening

[empty fog]

that's the only place we saw could remotely explain where lace's arena is
it's just the best explanation we have at the moment for where it is

[spark valve]

we've also seen some flowers in the seth arena so it's not like there's only one place they grow. It does seem like it would be towards the top of the citadel though

[midnight zinc]

On the souls of all the fleas it’s happening

[minor shadow]

Steel Assassin Sharpe has joined the chat

[coarse sapphire]

the flowers are growing on the pipes and the pipes lead all the way to the top so why would they be growing on the pipes like some kind of moss or weed when its meant to be connected to the big bad at the very top

[feral thistle]

Just because the assassins are BLACK doesn't mean they're void >:(((

[midnight zinc]

I hope there’s a cutscene like this before every boss.

[feral thistle]

Although the steel troupe might be i dont know

[loud shale]

the weirdest discussion i've seen so far were people thinking the black stuff in hornet cocoon is void. it's clearly not

[empty fog]

well, the only place where we see them grow on the pipes is AT the top

[dark root]

IT seems connected to the void, its especially signified by jiji and jinn

[sinful nimbus]

oh this is the only void I'd be okay with in silksong

[terse wadi]

Give an inch theytake a miel

[midnight zinc]

True, but there’s two kinda weak things that make me think they’re void or related to it: some of them look like Steel Soul Jinn, and Sharpe’s nose looks like the Pure Vessel’s void tendrils

[river coyote]

I didn’t know it was her cocoon I thought it was some metal casing

[coarse sapphire]

well the flowers should be connected to the pipes they grow on the pipes not inside

[slow forum]

THE LORE IS REAL is all that matters 🔥 ✍️

[minor shadow]

Yeah Sharpe is definitely at least related to Jinn whose masters have likely ties to void

[river coyote]

All theories are right until the game releases

[spark valve]

jinn having ties to void (or her masters having ties) is totally unsubstantiated and not remotely implied by her or jiji's dialogue

[midnight zinc]

I still like my theory that one ending will have Hornet hollowed out by the void to piss off the fans

[spark valve]

if anything jiji implies they don't have ties

[arctic tiger]

Random thing I noticed when watching the trailer again, the ending when the release date is shown, it had void particles on the screen

[terse wadi]

Hornet is adopted and screcretly the princess of Pharloom

[coarse sapphire]

things grow on pipes when there is moisture

[minor shadow]

Then why is the trigger for the dialogue for her calling the Knight similar to her masters, the voidheart 🤔

[vestal swan]

You just going to keep saying this until jiji's boss comes out with their own void heart huh

[spark valve]

because it makes the knight a god

[loud shale]

there's already fanart of the kiss demon from the trailer. no way

[feral thistle]

Oh yeah? Hornet is actually an amnesiac that caused the Pharloom crisis in the first place which is why they captured her and brought her back to put her on trial or something, but then, she escapes and goes on the run, cutting a bloody path all the way up to the citadel where she MURDERS the benevolent citizens and evades justice

[spark valve]

jinn says that the knight is 'more complete' than her and that is the similarity shared with the masters nothing about void

[sinful nimbus]

TK was already void before voidheart

[river coyote]

She gonna marry Lace and they’re gonna become the new queens of Pharloom

[vestal swan]

It's not a kiss demon it's probably a hermit crab and his name is Susie

[loud shale]

it's a demon for me

[minor shadow]

voidheart grants Knight greater control over the void through its will, as stated by the item description.

[midnight zinc]

Deltarune reference???

[arctic tiger]

Yes, but TK only truly became one with the void after getting voidheart and accepting their past

[foggy fractal]

giant robot ?

[vestal swan]

No

[loud shale]

susie is likely as powerful as zote or the radiance

[haughty tide]

Guys how all endings are cannon and there is a ending that hornet presonerd at black egg?

[vestal swan]

[spark valve]

?tag info jokerpsa

[gleaming basin]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[raven cove]

are the steel masters gods?

[dark root]

No one knows

[terse wadi]

we've been over this, they can break seals

[loud shale]

Could there be any lore reasons on why hornet's cloak is more saturated in color?

[midnight zinc]

Then Hornet doing that slap is equivalent to Rickert slapping Griffith in Berserk

[haughty tide]

OK this is good

[loud shale]

Likely intentional

[dark root]

Waiting for mossbag to analyze the new trailer

[terse mural]

"it seems your lifetime warranty... has been voided" -steel king sherma

[raven cove]

same

[midnight zinc]

…say that again.

[foggy fractal]

kinda looks like it no ?

[vestal swan]

Oh yeah I agree, but for the head to be that big and on the map that's a fucking Kaiju buster

[spark valve]

I mean if you just look at the room the fight is in, it's not there. It could be a deactivated one or something though

[loud shale]

I noticed that the last xbox trailer from 3 years ago is different. like, it's way less colorful. any thoughts? am i being nitpicky

[vestal swan]

Analyze it ya damn self

[thin hemlock]

This fella will become the main villain cause of this

[foggy fractal]

mhm hm

[severe siren]

Good reaction image

[loud shale]

I was scared of this creature

[sinful nimbus]

yeah SS art has evolved a lot

[terse mural]

hopefully the slap is the default attack for an unequipped tool

[spark valve]

oh look hornet void woOoOoOoO

[sinful nimbus]

I think we're in the sweetspot of colorful and gritty now

[minor shadow]

Average r/silksong user

[river coyote]

Deserved, Hornet is happily married

[spark valve]

light and dark even?

[vestal swan]

It looks like Susie has a weird marker or writing implement, I wonder if they're writing those weird spell scrolls

[foggy fractal]

hornet gonna pilot it to fight the shade lord omg !!!!!

[feral thistle]

Do you have to press a button to slap him or does hornet do it automatically

[vestal swan]

We don't know, it was trailer not demo gameplay

[vale prawn]

I mean based on the video it looks like its an auto slap, but it would be really funny for it to be a choice to romance the little freak

[loud shale]

oh if you notice!! the sound effect of the slap is the same sound effect of the ending dream no more where the radiance is slaped on her face as well. Therefore... this creature is tied to radiance

[feral thistle]

Just noticed your name is kinda... solid

[terse wadi]

playthrough based achievement

[mental axle]

i have a theory

[terse wadi]

jokes on you he's liquid snake

[feral thistle]

Cause no one hears a word

They say

[river coyote]

The attack button shows up and you get to spam it

[mental axle]

Hornet is actually a boomerang, makes sense considering her head shape

AND that team cherry's australian

[severe siren]

How would silksong’s price tag affect the lore

Would there be less timelines in the SS universe if the game were priced highly

[terse wadi]

huh

[severe siren]

Think about it

[spark valve]

sure why not

[past sorrel]

Omg hornet has arms

[severe siren]

Less Hornets less timelines

[feral thistle]

Is silksong gonna cost 60 bucks or something

[river coyote]

How did you think she carried her needle

[past sorrel]

Telepathy

[feral thistle]

It might be silksover

[feral thistle]

Im pretty sure her arms were visible in the first game too

[river coyote]

She tells it to float behind her

[past sorrel]

Where?

[vale prawn]

I would not blame them if it did, but based on the interview and how they have c urrently been living there is no way they would

[terse wadi]

Can't imagine it being more than $30 considering TC's trackrecord and generosity

[loud shale]

40 max

i think

[feral thistle]

Both her boss fights

[severe siren]

My prediction is 20 bucks but my steam wallet has 25

[terse mural]

various sprites

[river coyote]

$80 with a $200 deluxe bundle that includes 19 inches of hornet

[severe siren]

Just update steam page and let me preorder damn it

[dire sinew]

can we shitpost and ragebait in this lore channel

[vale prawn]

The one game in my life I will actually preorder

[severe siren]

Im using this chat as a temporary #sk-discussion cause its hell in there + we have embeds

[foggy fractal]

same lmao

[loud shale]

is this boss design idea accurate for silksong?

[dark root]

Dont forget the $230 preorder with one extra mission

[dire sinew]

no

[feral thistle]

Will silksong have bathhouses

[past sorrel]

Barely lol, i just looked at the fight

[sinful nimbus]

Looks fine

[severe siren]

I was right all these years about Snow Monastery, now bow to me

[loud shale]

there's not much to do anyways. the artstyle is simple

[past sorrel]

Its like 5 pixels

[river coyote]

The naked hornet sprite probably proves it will

[vale prawn]

I would say yes, based on their interview basically everything that the designer drew got in

[feral thistle]

Hornet fanservice 🥀 🥀

[loud shale]

it's like super fast isn't it? It sounds so fun!

[severe siren]

What is the lore behind this

Gotta make it sound like this is relevant to the channel

[terse mural]

[spark valve]

hornet has good hygiene and is doing laundry

[river coyote]

It has many lore implications, trust

[feral thistle]

What 😭

[sinful nimbus]

It proves Hornet has no wings implying they were trimmed off when she was little

[vale prawn]

Is that an animation sprite of her grabbing the ring?

[feral thistle]

Why would team cherry do this

[foggy fractal]

maybes shes taking off for a bath or giving it over for someone to upgrade

[lapis creek]

cloak upgrades i think

[sinful nimbus]

Therefore everyone who has said to me that the wings are under her cloak can cope and seethe (Tammo specifically)

[terse mural]

😭 they dewinged her...

[lapis creek]

it's mentioned that the cloak shows signs of age right

[vague crest]

I bet hornet is really the friends we've made along the way

[spark valve]

when did I say that she has wings normally what 😭

[dark root]

Perhaps a... wingstration

[sinful nimbus]

It was like aw hile ago in hk-lore iirc

[terse mural]

my chatbot of you did and you should be ashamed

[spark valve]

pics or it didn't happen smh

[spark valve]

I'll be sure to have a long chat with it about that later

[vestal swan]

PK did have wings but they were not feathery

[terse mural]

what is hornets float upgrade even gonna be i wonder how tf does that work

[lapis creek]

is gossamer storm the actual name or did we make that up

[severe siren]

Can we get deltarune explosion png and sfx over hornet slapping that pink thing

[spark valve]

made it up

[terse mural]

is that just the cloak upgrade

[lapis creek]

good, it sucks

[severe siren]

Fan name

[spark valve]

wtf\

[steel slate]

What’s gossamer storm?

[severe siren]

Community name for hornet’s spaghetti circle attack she does in basegame

[vestal swan]

I'm sticking with the idea that the wings are a reward for bringing all of the fleas home, because I don't think you'll be able to salvage them if the huntress eats them

[steel slate]

Ah

[lapis creek]

they look like trobbios wings sort of dont they

[spark valve]

not really

[feral thistle]

Is the kissing creature related to salubra

[lapis creek]

idk i didnt get a good look

[dark root]

We are going to turn into grubberflies obviously

[vale prawn]

Not sure if anyone posted these yet, but some bugs lost their minds to care in the lava area, sounds radiance isk and CRAFTING KIT????

[minor shadow]

nah I think they're just a freak like that

[dire sinew]

ah silksong spoilers

[feral thistle]

You never know, maybe they had the same teacher or some shit

[loud shale]

i don't think hornet's cloak color change was necessary for sprite readability. that's why i think it could have something to do with lore. otherwise it'd be an inconsistency. I might be overanalysing, though.

[vestal swan]

No that's like saying they don't give a fuck anymore. Like safety third

[spark valve]

people will literally get a release date and it won't be enough

[zenith relic]

someone requested for this on #sk-discussion thats why i did

[feral thistle]

Pretty sure this just means the heat made them go mad

[river coyote]

We’re lucky enough for it to be releasing, don’t make them take back what little we have

[vestal swan]

It very obviously does not go here and we super don't care

[lapis creek]

theres a different picture of trobbios wings but point taken

[terse mural]

the lava just dealt double damage in silksong, right?

[severe siren]

These two weeks will feel like a year 🥀

[lapis creek]

wtf are you talking about

[loud shale]

not similar. hornet's jump ability might come from the weavers. they look like cotton wings or something

[vale prawn]

I don't think so, I think it probably points to a specific boss in the area. Like the boss is making people go mad so they don't care about the heat anymore, mayve if you kill the boss then bugs will act differently. They did say it was quest based

[spark valve]

yes I know they're not similar that is my point

[river coyote]

I was replying to the image from before but it’s gone, so the reply didn’t work

[lapis creek]

ok yeah i see what you mean now i thought they looked whiter and wider

[spark valve]

there is a frame where they look whiter but that's being obscured by a visual effect

[lapis creek]

no i mean why are you pretending that there is some risk of them taking it back

[lapis creek]

yeah this is what i was thinking of

[river coyote]

They shall punish us for our greed fr

[severe siren]

Trobbio is the red half of the twinbird

[vale prawn]

I get the feeling that it would deal damage and then you could swim in it later maybe? like ismas for lava?

[lapis creek]

but it is the lighting youre right

swimming in lava would be crazy

[spark valve]

double jump also has a particle effect that trobbio doesn't (beating a dead horse ik)

[severe siren]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-pixel-horse-fuck-you-fuck-u-horse-middle-finger-gif-15888143319771112924

[terse mural]

rising lava section but ur just chilling letting it float you to the top

[loud shale]

delete it. i wont be able to sleep at night because of this horse

[vale prawn]

Im guessing its either that or there are areas that will deal damage to you when going through it and the charm makes it not deal damage (like latern but damage tanking for the skip instead)

[feral thistle]

What are they, greek gods?

[river coyote]

Yes

[feral thistle]

Its over

[spark valve]

both sting shard and the bell also require a type of material, idk if it'll be grindable or something you find in set locations and just have to choose what to prioritize

[loud shale]

I think I'll use the big hud more

[river coyote]

Asking for it to release early just when we were lucky enough to finally get a release date is crazy through

[loud shale]

Small or large HUD? which you guys prefer

[vestal swan]

There was no luck involved they were always making the game and this stupid conversation doesn't go in here

[vale prawn]

Im going to guess if it is set locations, there will be enough to get everything (i.e. pale ore in HK) but there are crafting mechanics so it might be grindable

[loud shale]

possibly grindable?

[severe siren]

Hoping for a praying mantis boss

[foggy fractal]

these guys are crazy
why these normal enemies moving like mantis lords omg

[spark valve]

the crafting kit sounds like it just enables more tools to be acquired though it's weird to have that in a tool merchant

[sinful nimbus]

Set locations would be better

[loud shale]

i think no enemie in HK had green attacks like this lol

[vestal swan]

You should play this really cool game called hollow Knight

[spark valve]

hk already had them 😭

what we really need is a dragonfly boss and a mantis shrimp boss

[severe siren]

No i want ones that actually emphasize their arms and shit

[azure zealot]

What was the boss made by the make a wish kid called again?

[severe siren]

Mantis lords are ass

[vestal swan]

A dragonfly boss would be like trying to slap quirrel out of the air

[tacit scarab]

Dragonfly boss would be so neat

[dire kettle]

why...

[vestal swan]

Seth

[loud shale]

I'm envy of the bug alonside the vine monster thing. why can't i team up with that beautiful character

[drowsy goblet]

Have you already shown this print?

I forgot the translator sorry

[vestal swan]

Are the walls fucking shooting at her?? Or did she activate a fucking bankai

[loud shale]

clearly shooting

[severe siren]

That pink lightning is like that one Hornet sprite

[vestal swan]

Is that lightning what the hell's going on

[spark valve]

barnacles have tongues

[drowsy goblet]

There's more, wait a minute

[severe siren]

Barnacles

[vestal swan]

I pictured all of these as projectiles okay

[vestal swan]

I thought we were about to have a bullet hell segment

[spark valve]

it looks like it's just the post-glide platforming challenge where you have to use it to stall in the air and wait for the lightning to stop

[azure zealot]

Ahh yes, bush boss 2.0

[drowsy goblet]

Yes, these are the ones

[tulip copper]

Lore: hornet falls in the moss area and kills zote which teleports her back to hallownest end of the story

[charred dragon]

oh I figured that was her getting the lightning dash from the acmi screenshot

[terse mural]

what is goijng on wutibh that wirom guy things body

[charred dragon]

absorbing it like the void stuff in hk

[drowsy goblet]

There's this one about the boss too

[severe siren]

Oh yeah hornet stance

[river coyote]

Creature of Steel??

[spark valve]

it looks like a platforming sequence to me idk

[tacit scarab]

3rd image, is that a new crest or am I just forgetting things?

[severe siren]

Yes new crest

[tacit scarab]

Neat

[terse mural]

wait what if silk soul has a special crest

[severe siren]

That could be it idk

[severe siren]

Yes

[terse mural]

they said they wanted to do more than steel soul and if crests have descriptions somewhere they could sneak in some lore into their ng+ content

[charred dragon]

yeah that probably makes more sense, I do think the lightning is the same though so you might get it as the reward

[severe siren]

Its clearly a gliding down platforming segment

[loud shale]

New screenshot... The hues are slightly changed... it's brighter than the xbox trailer... Why is hornet's cloak like that? so goofy.

[feral thistle]

Is the coral area underwater? That would imply both hornet and the steel creatures can breathe underwater

[severe siren]

Lightning dash could be an area specific gimmick or an actual reward

[spark valve]

colors are for children amirite

[charred dragon]

do we think there’s any significance to the Abyss stuff in the release date

[bold vigil]

team cherry is lying (im sending it here cuz i cant send images in ss-discussion)

[spark valve]

no, you can see splashes

[feral thistle]

Uhh, heavy water

[river coyote]

No Team Cherry just put that in as a joke

[lapis creek]

like perpetos noo

[severe siren]

Easy lore for coral zone: its so humid and moist that it functions like an underwater habitat without it actually being underwater

[feral thistle]

Genius

[foggy fractal]

how do we explain the fish...

[loud shale]

I can only assume that the void in the trailer confirms that it's a sequel because void comes from hallownest

[severe siren]

Same explanation

[spark valve]

fog canyon type shit

[sinful nimbus]

actually birds

[severe siren]

They’re called fishbugs and they float in humidity

[charred dragon]

it seems entirely possible to me that if you go down far enough the Void is everywhere

[loud shale]

How do we explain the floating platforms?

[severe siren]

Easy peasy

[terse mural]

flukefey type shit

[river coyote]

I was looking at the sprite sheet, what do you guys think this is?

[sinful nimbus]

mods blacklist the word void

[spark valve]

you don't (or foreground connections if you can't suspend disbelief somehow)

[severe siren]

Hornet gets kidnapped

[charred dragon]

if it is a sequel then there’s no world where Void is significant and they don’t pick an ending to follow

[terse mural]

getting immobilized by shade lord final battle

[spark valve]

effect that blocks damage while you bind

[loud shale]

I think it's pretty obvious that there are small insects carrying the platforms around. deep lore

[charred dragon]

second larger Sharpe nose

[feral thistle]

(2)

[spark valve]

basically baldur shell

[soft haven]

guys we have come a long way

[feral thistle]

Lmao got automodded

[feral thistle]

Why do they come out of her ass

[loud shale]

its from beneath the cloak and from her back

[vast brook]

still more realistic wings lol

[blissful harbor]

should’ve left wings behind ong

[soft haven]

i think its her back but the cloak is covering it

[spark valve]

so true

[loud shale]

wdym?

[soft haven]

why

[loud shale]

like, not adding wings to the game?

[soft haven]

its a great double jump ability makes hornet even more agile

[sinful nimbus]

I'm okay with wings because its an epic own on the wings dip haters

[spark valve]

double jump kinda boring compared to other options hornet has to stay in the air

[terse mural]

the cloaks length does imply theyre oddly long if theyre coming outta her back at that angle

[spark valve]

ok fair

[loud shale]

Idk. it's not very characteristic of hornet. at least not the idea I had for hornet's movement

[soft haven]

it makes her agile + the wings in this game look much better than the last one

[terse mural]

grr why didn they make hornet a big little weaver

[spark valve]

she already is agile that is not making a substantial difference

[severe siren]

More movement more gooder

[crude crag]

It could be that diffrent crests give you a diffrent option of staying mid-air or something like that

[soft haven]

true but wings are a good thing to add

[severe siren]

Hornet can do the super mario 64 backflip if you turn around and immediately hit jump

[spark valve]

that would break traversal pretty considerably

[soft haven]

well the point is we've came a long way

[loud shale]

hornet back dashes/side hops to change direction is interesting. looks dynamic but i'm still getting used because it's different

[sinful nimbus]

I think pogoing is more interesting than double jumping

[soft haven]

pogos are different with each ||crest|| you equip

[loud shale]

what could replace a double jump for hornet? maybe a different upwards dash?

[spark valve]

double jumping also means that later on the combat will probably use less of the new mechanics with sprint

[dry heart]

does it count as lore that the game exists

[severe siren]

On god i aint surviving two weeks

[spark valve]

hk turns into just a dogfight at some point and I was hoping ss wouldn't do the same

[feral thistle]

Just beat hk again

[loud shale]

I'd prefer a go upwards dash than wings but I'm not complaining about the game. it's just fun to talk about design stuff

[soft haven]

you can do it otherwise it would've been a waste to live 7 years and not getting what you were waiting for

[spark valve]

he did

[severe siren]

Already did

• mid

[soft haven]

i don't know how a up dash would work and the old game had a downwards dash that didn't really prove useful

[blissful harbor]

claw crest my beloved
turns you into a fucking beyblade

[soft haven]

AGREED YOU WILL NEVER EVER FOREVER GET THE SAME FEELING YOU DID THE FIRST TIME

[midnight zinc]

Hey blade

[severe siren]

Dashmaster is innate in Silksong, you always have downwards dash

https://x.com/BlueGoesFast/status/1958458714697928993

BlueSR @ gamescom (@BlueGoesFast)

Check out hornet’s downdash and sick backflip

X · Aug 21, 2025, 9:18 AM

[soft haven]

OH?

[foggy fractal]

new dashmaster gives a upwards dash so you can triple jump TRUST ME.

[hasty mason]

What do yall think of hornets panic attacks

[blissful harbor]

doesn’t she have a crest on in this section? couldn’t that be an effect of that?

[spark valve]

from that clip idk if it's a down dash or a proper fast fall, hopefully the latter

[soft haven]

well you proved me wrong i can't wait to see what downwards dash will be useful for!

[loud shale]

hornet would burst upward. the downwards dash from HK is not what I had in mind tbh

[dry heart]

cant wait for lace% speedruns

[severe siren]

Knock lace into lava%

[loud shale]

Hornet's movement is so intricate

[loud shale]

has Lace's theme changed?

I know that the moss mother did change

[soft haven]

well it's because CLICK TO GET SPOILED --> ||in the cutscene when you start the game she get out of the cage and falls SO HARD (the knight didn't have fall dmg lol) and gets like a head ache or something and then she almost blacks out 2 times then she blacks out entirely and wakes up to an npc||

[severe siren]

Really?

[foggy fractal]

Lace's didn't change iirc

[river coyote]

I’m losing hope for Hornet and Lace Enemies to Lovers

[spark valve]

this looks promising movement wise

[severe siren]

Did moss mother change? Didnt see any footage

[loud shale]

Likely her lacking energy out of being stuck inside the cage and falling from a high place

[severe siren]

Or hear any music

[soft haven]

i don't think so

maybe the falling rocks changed? better design?

[terse mural]

music is apparently different and it doesnt seem like her eggs in th earena do anything anymore

[severe siren]

I already have an idea to kill Dave off rip

Doing that as soon as i start the game

[terse mural]

oh yeah was dave removed from the demo

[severe siren]

No

[loud shale]

I think mossbag pointed this out

[spark valve]

What is it

[terse mural]

did someone kill 'em

[crude crag]

Lace literally says: "I like you already" in the demo. That looks promising

[obsidian quail]

do we know who or what the citadel worships? is it the weavers?

[charred dragon]

I think I’ll give myself like an hour of trying and if it doesn’t work I’ll go play the rest of it

[severe siren]

Leave the room to kite Dave by going to the nearby room and then swiping up into his room while he’s rolling in order to land some hits

[loud shale]

Dave didn't do anything.

hes a big boi

[foggy fractal]

nah man Dave killed my grandma

[river coyote]

my hope is restored!

[loud shale]

WHAT?

[obsidian quail]

any lore people?

[river coyote]

Can’t wait for Hornet and Lace wedding scene

[loud shale]

i cant wait for the divorce

[fervent tree]

is hornet void

[loud shale]

hornet is actually soul. look it up. its the thing that salubra does

salubra created hornet (jk)

[feral thistle]

Is that why salubra's disciple tries to smooch hornet

[river coyote]

No

Y’all think these are Hornet’s wings?

[loud shale]

true

[loud shale]

ye

[soft haven]

yes they are

[crude crag]

It looks like a sweater

[soft haven]

someone should make an animation out of the sonarch silks sprite

look

[feral thistle]

hornet has butt wings confirmed

See, more evidence for my butt theory

[soft haven]

i think it could be from her back but the cloak is covering it

same for the knight its from his back but you can't see since cloak covers it

also the anatomy of wings coming out of a butt doesn't really make sense how it would work/function

[feral thistle]

No I just thought it would be funny if it did

[soft haven]

true lmao

ehh well it might be idk

[blissful harbor]

tk’s wings come straight from the cloak, it forms into the wings
hornets comes from under

[crude crag]

Hornet is a spider. Spiders usually have things coming out of their butt, so the butt wings seem plausible

[soft haven]

ohhhh

[loud shale]

lol

[soft haven]

yeah but how would they flap properly without hitting each other

that's why it wouldn't realistically work

[crude crag]

They're magic

Thats how

[loud shale]

this is going to be a huge drama

[soft haven]

[soft haven]

this isn't a drama were just talking about the topic of hornet with wings coming from her butt LMAO

[loud shale]

ik lmaaooo

[river coyote]

When does Hornet have panic attacks?? I checked both of the trailers but can’t find anything about it

[crude crag]

8 years later the butt wings drama will be on the bottom of silksong icebergs

[loud shale]

the demo

[foggy fractal]

its in the new demo during moss grotto

[spark valve]

She doesn’t

[loud shale]

before moss mother

[spark valve]

She just collapses it’s not a panic attack

[loud shale]

its not panic ll

[river coyote]

Oh

[blissful harbor]

why is it white wtf

[loud shale]

pale king type magic

[oak zephyr]

what if grimm is just like chilling in one of the towns in silksong that would be so cool i think

[loud shale]

Hornet has anxiety?? Is Team Cherry copying CELESTE !?

[oak zephyr]

dang hornet is js like me fr

[loud shale]

hornet is madeline from celeste

[oak zephyr]

hornet is trans confirmed

[loud shale]

ohh that's big news

[oak zephyr]

also w beeg yoshi pfp

[loud shale]

he's a good guy

[vivid kernel]

Alright, anyone wanna throw a guess on why this screen has abyss sound effects, void particles and void gas?

[river coyote]

We’re gonna get Hornet with a purple cloak named Bornet

[blissful harbor]

tc hates us

[loud shale]

a way to confirm that it's a sequel and that void will be important for the plot in a way

[vivid kernel]

if that were the case, you'd see a 2027 somewhere in that screen

[loud shale]

Bornet

[bronze imp]

WHAT YEAR WHAT YEAR IS IT

[oak zephyr]

void is an essential part of the hollow knight brand

[river coyote]

2098

[dire kettle]

year 20000

[dire kettle]

hornet is void truthers dying in their graves

[oak zephyr]

anyone who says hornet is void is ragebaiting

[dire kettle]

she almost passes out in areas of the demo in mossgrotto

[loud shale]

anyways, how does vornet being void affects trout population.

[rocky flare]

hornet is void

[dire kettle]

imagine if she really is void and the explination is that the shade is like INSIDE the coccon

that would be stupid!

[oak zephyr]

they all die from misinformation

[loud shale]

Oh sorry i mispelled hornet sory soryu sorry

[dire kettle]

i can't wait for the edgy silk song ocs that are just hornet but with a green cloak named gornet

[loud shale]

Gornet sounds truly impressive

[oak zephyr]

this gave me an idea

[dire kettle]

uh oh

[oak zephyr]

#hk-meme message

no its beautiful

[loud shale]

Cornet is beautiful as well

[reef summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-hornet-slapping-spar-away-kiss-gif-3297219483332987078

[cunning dirge]

i wonder if this thing will be like zote

[reef summit]

I wonder if they will expand much on the first games lore or if it will be very seperated

[nimble nexus]

has anyone investigated the map shown in the trailer?

[lapis creek]

no i think you might be the first

[spark valve]

it's pretty removed

[lapis creek]

this never gets tiring

[dire kettle]

it will probobally be disconnected though expand on some features. As it has a chance to expand on things like void, or just occurrences that aren't unique to hollownest

[terse wadi]

Zombie children is unique to Hallownest (for now)

[dire kettle]

we still don't know if the abyss is the only place void appears in the world

[dire kettle]

unless they reveal song is some kinda void like liquid that makes zombie kids also

i mean song has importance to pharloom wouldn't be off if it was something else then just music

[terse wadi]

I said (for now)

[dire kettle]

👀

[terse wadi]

I defer any legal responsiblity

for possibly being wrong

It's hard to gauge what's unique to Hallownest till we see what Pharloom is like

We literally don't have another point of reference atm

[crystal marsh]

it might not be

[dire kettle]

Well seems like curses similar to the infection are there also

because most workers in pharloom seemingly have lost their mind in shop dialouge

only focused on working

[abstract nova]

i wonder what kind of curse infected pharloom

[dire kettle]

i hope it isnt would lead to interesting happeninhs

[abstract nova]

it doesn’t really show any physical changes

[dire kettle]

It seemingly isnt like the radiance where it effects everyone seemingly only forcing its will on random workers for now

[abstract nova]

atleast it didnt in the trailers

[abstract nova]

yea but we could see an orange glow

[dire kettle]

and it doens't effect soul-]

[abstract nova]

oh i see my bad i misread that

yea

i mean i feel like thats the only logical reason

[dire kettle]

as hitting foes still drop soul meaning that maybe there is a limit in the curse's power

unlike the power of a godly being

[mighty oyster]

They kinda look like a snail or a slug

[dire kettle]

being able to essentally fully replace soul

[dire kettle]

SNAIL VILLAGE REA-

[abstract nova]

i hope this isnt too stupid of a question, but was silksong confirmed as a sequel or prequel? im pretty sure its a sequel but just making sure

[dire kettle]

No. But im pretty sure it IS a sequel.

it wouldn't make sense for hornet to go to pharloom get all these new skills and not use them against the knight.

Since hornet gains skills from the locked up weavers

[abstract nova]

im really curious how they are going to do the “all endings are canon”. i assume silk song is just so serperated from the events of hollow knight that even if the p5 ending happened, it only effected hollownest

[shy magnet]

this is exactly how it is

[dire kettle]

And seemingly hornet would also have all their tools unless theres no materials outside of pharloom to repair her tools

[abstract nova]

true

[mighty oyster]

Kinda honest, I’m thinking that a bit

[dire kettle]

I also think its a sequel because How would The Soilders Capture Hornet If hollownest was still filled with infection.

[abstract nova]

yea true

[dire kettle]

We know some being break seals which could explain the ending where hornet is trapped as a dreamer

(the glowing bug at the begining of silk songs intro)

[abstract nova]

oh shoot yea

[dire kettle]

If they wanted to capture a spider They would probobally bring or use one to break open the black egg

[abstract nova]

i forgot about those seals

[dire kettle]

Breaking A dreamers seal doesnt nessesarly kill them making it certain that they could capture hornet in the ending

And with hornet suddanly waking up would make it easy to capture her

[abstract nova]

of course cherry has said all endings are canon, so no matter what we would need to justify a reason why hornet got captured (unless its revealed to us)

[shy magnet]

well find out in ss

[dire kettle]

Just saying Every Ending would be easily solvable since it seems the soilders are just commanded to capture a spider.

[abstract nova]

yea

[dire kettle]

though i doubt they would go down to deepnest...

and it seems like the curse's influence reaches outside of pharloom as it seems like the ones capturing hornet are influenced

or maybe they are just normal and we don't know.

[abstract nova]

yea

a lot of questions

[dire kettle]

i also hope we have a 'dark copy' fight in silk song

i mean they clearly have robots so they could make a robot..

[terse wadi]

We don't know the motive for Hornets capture yet

[dire kettle]

Well its said pharloom is 'a land ruled by silk and song '

so it seems like whoever controls silk in pharloom basically controls the kingdom

with weavers being captured in the kingdom it could be predicted that they wanted more power in pharloom

and with song could be referring to the curse on the land

with there being something at the top of pharloom allowing them to control the bugs.

[wind fern]

hornet dies

[mental grotto]

any theories on the void ambience at end of release trailer

its been on my mind

[sinful nimbus]

non-canon oversight and we should stone TC on september 3rd

[empty fog]

It means void will be in silksong

[dim beacon]

THE VOID AMBIENCE HAS BEEN DRIVING ME INSANE WHAT DOES IT MEAN

[empty fog]

It means void will be in silksong

[shy magnet]

dont think it means anything

[uneven lake]

Having played Rainworld The Watcher I’m ready for Hornet to actually be void. I’ve learned of the hubris of thinking that our own theories matter in the face of the developer’s

I’m personally a fan of void being based on regret, given its potential appearance in the haunted kingdom of pharloom, the kings room, and the confessor

[peak heath]

Hornet is like not void

Period. There is zero reason she should be

[spice mica]

Hornet is radiance then