Polaris Freeze change

[balmy lion]

Polaris can be pretty oppressive at times mainly cause of their freeze ability. There’s no way to move those frozen units on your turn… which leads me to my solution. Much like how units can unfreeze water tiles around them, what if an unfrozen unit can decide to unfreeze units around them? It would exhaust their attack phase (move and unfreeze), and those newly unfrozen units can still move and attack as normal. I think that would be a good balance.

Not sure if newly unfrozen units should have the ability to unfreeze units themselves in the same turn… would cause like a cascading effect if there’s a wall of frozen units but I don’t know.

Any thoughts? By the way, this is disregarding the current beta changes to Polaris… they really suck right now

[sonic bluff]

No.

A Polaris player should be rewarded with disabling the unit they intended to disable at the very least

[hollow flame]

I don't think fully disabling a unit should be a thing in the first place

[stable hemlock]

i mean at the end off the day you still forced a unit to just bassicly not do anything for a turn

[balmy lion]

Agreed… there’s your disabling a unit. May not be the intended unit but still

[steel spire]

Everyone can fully disable units, Polaris just does it without killing them.

...As do 'Benders and Shamans...

[halcyon kettle]

yeah but not with one hit lmao

polaris does that by just moving units

or just attacking them

[forest tangle]

yeah but Polaris is committing resources to units that freeze but do no damage/

I think nerfing their movement speed on ice is a solid adjustment while nerfing freeze to me is ruining the gameplay of Polaris.

[halcyon kettle]

i dont think so

skate rework made them stronger

so i guess freeze nerf is ok

[sonic bluff]

Skate buff is not fun tbh

I like the current Polaris micro a lot

Units losing movement moving from land to ice is interesting and can allow people to make serious plays in pol mirrors

[lethal idol]

Alright I decided to pop in and offer an idea to make this suggestion work, if it were to be created

The units unfrozen don't get full functionality back when unfrozen. They can move or attack, and thats that. No unfreezing other units, and no doing the either or of what I suggested

That way polaris is still rewarded for freezing said enemy

Thinking about it, unfrozen units shouldn't be able to attack just for balance

[hollow flame]

That kinda defeats the point of unfreezing doesn't it?

[lethal idol]

This idea is to let the enemy retreat the unit in attempt to keep it from being constantly frozen

[hollow flame]

That sounds like it would be only marginally useful. You generally don't want your frontline to be falling back, especially not if that in turn exposes the unit you sent to unfreeze your other units in the first place

[lethal idol]

This idea does need to be workshopped yeah, just a proposal really

[willow willow]

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[hollow flame]

My personal take on the freezing condition, is that it should disable counterattack and movement (as it does now) but allow the frozen unit to still attack. It allows you combo your attacks, and it is useful for disabling pushes, but it doesn't completely take the units out of the fight

[lethal idol]

Makes sense yeah

[hollow flame]

But I have a feeling the Midjiteam doesn't like my take, since I'm pretty sure I've managed to get one of them to read it on several occasions 😅

[lethal idol]

Oof alright

Thinking now to make this work, to let polaris still have some reward

Unfrozen units should have a range decrease possibly? If a, lets say ice archer freezes, lets say a catapult

[hollow flame]

Another take I'm pursuing is removing aoe freeze from the mooni and instead giving it dash and an on attack freeze like the ice archer has. While still aoe freezing the water mind you. And I know I'm definitely not the only one wanting to decouple terrain freezing from unit freezing

[hollow flame]

Don't have too much of an opinion on that. I'm not against it, but at the same time i don't think it is necesssary.

[lethal idol]

Would need testing and workshopping yeah, just a proposal

Gonna be taking my leave

[viral furnace]

This would be too much of a nerf imo

Its kinda annoying to play against sometimes but its doable

[sick scroll]

This is thread about the freeze changes @lavish rampart

[lavish rampart]

The freezing is fine rn, takes more planning but still solid. You cant freeze a giant then just rider spam it to death now

[lavish rampart]

Hmm i think this is very bad honestly. The mooni is expensive and a punching bag since its often main targets for your opponent. If it could freeze the water but not enemies, everytime it advances foward it would get killed. The whole point of the Mooni is to expand and aid with attack

[willow willow]

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[dusky wraith]

Unfrozen unit spending their move to unfreeze frozen unit could definitely work, but i don't think it should be group unfreeze like with terrain

[willow willow]

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