jellyfish slight buff

[raven nexus]

1. When theres 2 jellyfish tentacles covering one space have both jellyfish deal damage when a unit moves there because currently its just one that deals the damage essentially making the 2nd redundant in quite a few scenarios

2. Have a "shock area" thing (similar to freeze area) which just deals like 50% of the damage it would deal if a unit moved onto the tentacle so that its less annoying needing to juggle 2 jellyfish in an area to get continuous value for them

[pseudo nova]

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[eternal knoll]

I dont think the shock would need to have halved damage, since the damage isnt big at start

but yes please these 2 points would be great

[raven nexus]

I think there still needs to be a damage nerf of sorts so you get more benefit from actually moving them

So it encourages you to move them hnless you physically dont have enough space

Maybe 50% is a bit much

75% seems reasonable

75% and round down e.g. 5 > 3.75 > 3 final damage

[eternal knoll]

yea seem legit

[bright mural]

I strongly disagree with the 1st one. It creates scenarios where it is literally impossible to move up to the jellies because the unit would just get oneshot

Shock area is fine, I could get behind that

[raven nexus]

Theoretically yes it does create that issue but i think the archer/scout/catapult counterplay balances it out

Evem if its not both dealing individual damage i think it should deal more than just one jellyfish worth

Even if its something like diminishing returns

1 tent 1x
2 tent = 1.5x
3 tent = 1.75x

[bright mural]

even at 1.5 it oneshots full hp riders. That immo is a treshold that shouldn't be crossed

[wicked cape]

But yellys could oneshot riders in a previous patch

A single yelly could do it

And it was fine!!!

[bright mural]

yeah, which is part of why there were nerfed

[wicked cape]

(ye ik yellys were bugged that patch, im just joking)

[wicked cape]

Werent they being used anyways?

Due to the bug though

But we actually never tested pre nerf yellys

[bright mural]

Their offensive damage was only half what it was supposed to do

[wicked cape]

I know

[bright mural]

so we never got to play with an offensive 3def jellie, but I do assume it would have been too much

[wicked cape]

But no one was complaining. There were just some hilarious aquatisn interactions

[wicked cape]

Maybe it isnt. Yelly got nerfed b4 we got to test it

[bright mural]

3def jellies oneshot warrior scouts in an aoe radius though

I had 1 game against justeeni where he was oumaji and I was aquarion. I got a 3defense jellie out and he ran in 3 riders, got all of them instakilled before they could damage my jelly, and then he resigned

[wicked cape]

That's just a missplay

Why'd you move 3 riders into a yelly

Ok hold

I wanna make smth clear first

[bright mural]

No, that was him giving up because there was literally nothing he could do

[wicked cape]

I do not believe we should keep 3 def yellys

Or return to them

I simply would have liked to test them

W/o the aquatism bug that let them oneshot rammers

And the weird damage bug

As for this thread

1. is a bad idea

Yelly spam becomes unbteabale

2. is a suggestion i think everybody wouldve liked to see

[bright mural]

Fair. But I guess we only get to see the things that actually survive the internal playtests

There are so many things I'd like to try out...

[eternal knoll]

I think yellies tentacles should deal damage when the unit exits too

so you can shuffle your yellies front to back

[void root]

Wont that damage the same unit twice if the jelly moves left or right?

Well, I guess one can program around that.

[eternal knoll]

well idk how it is coded, maybe it would, but I think it should not

[void root]

If it does damage when it enters and leaves, then the squares that are shared when entering/leaving would be hit twice.

If the jelly was to move to the right in the situation below, wont it hit the car twice?
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[eternal knoll]

yea, I meant that the unit should take damage too if it exits the radius around yelly

[eternal knoll]

yelly (as well as juggernaut) should be dealing damage across their movement instead of around the tile they end up on

[bright mural]

That's not how zone of control works. You can't move past an enemy so there is not point to dealing damage to times you pass

[eternal knoll]

well, I understand, but there might be some situations where ZoC does weird things, because I would not request this if I did not think I could get value out of it in some of my games

I ll try to do it again and screenshot

[wicked cape]

you can't get value out of it ever

unless you get extremely lucky with cloaks

[bright mural]

The only situation this would ever apply is cloaks