Juggernaut Buff -real flagship of the fleet

[strong night]

Juggernaut now in game is awkward place.Neither charging the enemy nor joining the line of battle is very effective.
make it have the same stat as bomber without splash and add dash and scout, Let giant enter water as giant transport, use old battle ship model with 2 defence 2 movement and 1 attack and 2 range. Juggeraut need to and only can upgrade from giant transport, cost 15 or 20 star. A powerful and expensive flagship with the ability to wipe out any other ship or poorly defended city one on one would be very interesting.

[silent adder]

it already has dash

[long ember]

I genuinely cannot tell if this is satire or not lol

I feel like this is not real

[silent adder]

since he didn't even know it had dash, probably fake

[steady pecan]

That's not what the suggestion implies. They're saying bomber+dash, not adding dash to the already available juggernaut

Re read it

[silent adder]

make it have the same stat as bomber without splash and add dash and scout

sounds like he wants to add dash to it ... ngl

[steady pecan]

Maybe you can argue it's not phrased correctly?

[long ember]

Y’all are taking this way too seriously

[steady pecan]

But Idk. Seems obvious to me they're saying bomber (so 3 range, 4 attack) but keep the dash of the current juggernaut and give it the ability scout

[silent adder]

and remove splash

[steady pecan]

Yeah

[long ember]

With 2 range, no splash, and starts as a ship before upgrading for 15 or 20 stars

[steady pecan]

I stand by my standards. If you're not going to take a suggestion seriously, you should be serious about how you do it

[long ember]

lol that’s not a terrible philosophy

[steady pecan]

The 2 range is for the giant transport, not the juggernaut

[silent adder]

wait

[silent adder]

you're saying it should be a catapult with 40 hp, more than 0 defense, and dash

all for the price of about an ice fortress

[steady pecan]

Or you could argue it's just current juggernaut, no stiff... But why 3 range?

[silent adder]

isn't current one 3 damage 4 def

[steady pecan]

I guess you can argue "because it now costs stars", but even then Idk

[steady pecan]

Oh, right, it currently is 3, not 4

[silent adder]

seems like man just wants giant battleships back, but better

[steady pecan]

Hot take, giant battleship in this economy isn't that ridiculous. People overreact to it

[silent adder]

fair

at least now that they can't be spammed

and there's a unit that can attack them that isn't one of them

[steady pecan]

And like, the main issue with current juggernaut is the lack of retaliation. Remove stiff and it's barely any different than giant battleship. Actually, it's better because no upfront cost and more defense

[silent adder]

yeah

true

imagine juggernaut without stiff, but no dash

[strong night]

I agree, 4 attack does sound too op, 3 attack and cost 25-30 star maight be better.

[steel void]

Congrats Zach -W. Your recent activity just advanced you to level 1!

[steady pecan]

So I haven't commented this on the other "nerf bomber" threads, and I guess my opinion will be a bit hidden on a thread like this

[strong night]

I do want giant battleship back, but it should not be spammed.

[steady pecan]

But I kinda feel like if we're saying "this *needs* to cost 20+ stars to be balanced", I think there's a larger issue in play

I'm not even convinced that an upgrade to turn a giant into a juggernaut, no matter how we buff it really needs to cost more than 15. Certainly not more than the old battleship cost of 20

[whole lake]

No.

It should prob get a buff

But this is too extreme

It'd be gbs again

• i think that the juggernaut should not be stronger than the crab

[nova plume]

it should be stronger than the crab

[whole lake]

No. Even Zoy mentioned that crab is meant to be stronger than juggernauts

[nova plume]

?ban zoy