I just woke up
And I have one thing to say
#Potential AI Art Contest
distant lava
dusk elm
wozy
distant lava
Lol
soft ruin
everyone else has been too
dusk elm
everyone else has been too
we were too toxic
soft ruin
yes
soft ruin
yes we heard you
dusk elm
moos also said no to ai
tepid wave
I'm just curious to see how far we can push AI. 🙂
dusk elm
and admins
tepid wave
shrug
I'd be cool with that
soft ruin
I am not paid
dusk elm
replace humans with ai
soft ruin
there is zero need for humans to do this
tepid wave
replace humans with ai
Sounds good to me
dusk elm
:3
tepid wave
AI are efficient and relatively unbiased
dusk elm
if they decide to replace humans, id be glad to purge the humanity
soft ruin
idk what makes you think we are quaking in our boots at the thought of being replaced (moderators)
dusk elm
cuz mods lack common sense
ai is gud at common sense (not art)
ai knows that art is human
coral goblet
Honestly ai replacing humans should be a good thing as it will allow humans to have more time to do fun things rather than work
tepid wave
Honestly ai replacing humans should be a good thing as it will allow humans to h...
Fun things like generate AI art. 🙂
tepid wave
"Art" is subjective
If you like to look at it, it has artistic merit, does it not?
dusk elm
"Art" is subjective
If you like to look at it, it has artistic merit, does it n...
nerd
ai art is not art
tepid wave
Can elephants make art?
soft ruin
pleasant image =/= art
dusk elm
Can elephants make art?
no
pastel flame
yes
soft ruin
pleasant image with nothing artistic = kitsch
dusk elm
they do shit
tepid wave
pleasant image =/= art
So, then, can we reframe this whole thing as a proposal for an "AI-generated Pleasant Image Competition"?
😉
dusk elm
elephants lay around
soft ruin
dopamine cometition
dusk elm
🤓
pastel flame
elephants are sentient beings, I think an elephant thats somewhat trained can make art it's just that the skill ceiling and the art itself won't be that good
dusk elm
......
tepid wave
Elephant art is art
pastel flame
make a counter argument
dusk elm
no
pastel flame
elephants are one of the smartest mammals there are
tepid wave
Dolphins also make art
pastel flame
though their methods of probably producing art are VERY limited
tepid wave
Point is, "art" isn't strictly for humans
dusk elm
ummm
soft ruin
there is a thing called outsider art
it's when someone makes art without being educated
they are self taught and not aware of the conventions and the history of the medium they are using
sometimes can get famous
dusk elm
Point is, "art" isn't strictly for humans
im pretty sure it is
soft ruin
so an elephant doing something would fall into that category I think
dusk elm
lol
pastel flame
I think art at least should be from sentient beings
soft ruin
no way you can explain theory to it
dusk elm
yall should make zootropilis irl at this point
tepid wave
And "emotional intent" isn't strictly necessary. Maybe a person just farted out a picture because their job demanded it and there's literally no deeper meaning.
Or maybe they just scribbled a line into a wall because they were bored
dusk elm
replace humans with animals
soft ruin
jorjor wel
mellow pike
Replace zoy with ai
dusk elm
this thread smells like a bunch of nerds
dusk elm
Replace zoy with ai
agree
mellow pike
dusk elm
replace zoy with art
tepid wave
Are those art?
What if I write a program that randomly puts dots on a piece of paper, but it represents something emotional to me? Is that art?
coral goblet
On its own I don’t think an AI art contest would be very interesting. The main thing that makes normal art contests interesting is the barrier of entry to create cool art and the creativity to craft a piece that fits the prompt and tells a story. I don’t really think that an ai art contest could recreate this well. I imagine it would be filled with just random low effort submissions. I could be wrong but i don’t really think an ai contest would be interesting. It would pretty much just take luck to generate a cool looking piece and a lot of time to generate lots of images
dusk elm
Are those art?
What if I write a program that randomly puts dots on a piece of ...
haha u sound like chatgpt
this is stg that chatgpt would say
soft ruin
nemex how well versed are you with antinatalism
I think ai could help maintain society when there are not enough humans left
dusk elm
"civil" and "smart" shit
dusk elm
nemex how well versed are you with antinatalism
I think ai could help maintain s...
i am well versed in sword
and guns
and purging
dusk elm
and "toxic" behaviour
soft ruin
Are those art?
What if I write a program that randomly puts dots on a piece of ...
yeah that's art
no one called you toxic tho?
soft ruin
bruuuuuuhhhhhh
soft ruin
I think I am being baited
tepid wave
yeah that's art
To me, it seems like a very fuzzy line that can be bent and adjusted to fit whatever you want it to fit. Where does "art" begin and end?
Ultimately a pointless discussion, I think
dusk elm
🐟
soft ruin
I started forgetting to make it clear that it's my opinion
dusk elm
To me, it seems like a very fuzzy line that can be bent and adjusted to fit what...
yea chatgpt whatever
tepid wave
Anyway, I'm done here for now.
dusk elm
The question of whether AI-generated art can be considered art is a topic of ongoing debate and discussion. Some argue that art is an expression of human creativity, emotion, and intention, and therefore, AI-generated art may not possess the same depth and meaning as art created by humans. Others believe that art can extend beyond human creation and that AI-generated art can have its own aesthetic value and artistic merit.
AI-generated art involves using algorithms and machine learning techniques to generate or assist in the creation of artwork. While AI systems can analyze patterns, learn from existing artworks, and generate new visual or musical compositions, they do not possess human emotions, experiences, or consciousness. The creative decisions made by AI systems are based on patterns and rules learned from data.
Ultimately, whether AI-generated art is considered art or not depends on individual perspectives and interpretations. Some people appreciate the unique and novel creations that AI systems produce, while others value the human element and the emotional connection that comes from traditional human-created art.
coral goblet
Chatgpt
soft ruin
brain melt
soft ruin
ok
pastel flame
I just think the line ends when there's no skill floor and skill ceiling
soft ruin
you participate in it, curious
pastel flame
my personal opinio
coral goblet
What if all your friends are really chat gpt
soft ruin
at least one of my friends is ben palmer
dusk elm
screw such idealistic and western concepts
like
being civil
or frienship
or being not toxi
to others opinion
its bad prppaganda
written by the ENEMIES OF THE STATE
soft ruin
being bad to each other is common sense afterall
survival of the fittest
all others do is get in your way
we don't achieve more by working together and building community
dusk elm
yea
only the strongest get to live
snowflakes melt and die
weakest balkan individual
soft ruin
how to W:
call yourself strong
call others weak
dusk elm
ye
soft ruin
clever portrayal of the parties involved using wojaks
dusk elm
whats wojak
coral goblet
Snowflake?
soft ruin
barely
soft ruin
not moderating much
soft ruin
I really hoped that this would be the outcome
soft ruin
😃
dusk elm
🐈
soft ruin
there wouldn't have been a thread if not for the mods proposing it
there would just be ai contest
so yeah, waste of time
soft ruin
dunno how you came to that conclusion
soft ruin
we have too many ideas and they never get made
dusk elm
cuz of ai
soft ruin
there are just more and more ideas dunno which to choose
dusk elm
and "everything is art" mentality
soft ruin
one cooler than the other
soft ruin
we do
dusk elm
DO MORE POLLS
soft ruin
we poll it out each month
halcyon vessel
🧍♂️
dusk elm
POLL EVERY WEK
halcyon vessel
every day
soft ruin
it's not a problem
halcyon vessel
you are
dusk elm
easier than creating thread inhabited just by me and stinky zoy
soft ruin
why is he stinky
geniuenly thought this would be a cool idea
that we could do
but nah
not everything is a good idea
shrimple
should we do a performance art contest
yknow when they go up and do something weird
nah we shouldn't
dusk elm
why is he stinky
he is a undercover chatgpt agent
ZOY IS AN AI
BIASED AI OPINION NOT VERY VENGIR OF YOU
soft ruin
who wants to perform this famous piece with me
soft ruin
you're not supposed to let go 🥴
soft ruin
it says right here in the script
dusk elm
lol
soft ruin
well then I die
soft ruin
accidents happen
soft ruin
follow the narrative 🤖
soft ruin
this will tell you what to think: 📺
dusk elm
no
soft ruin
this will make you feel miserable: 📱
soft ruin
your data is going to be sold to: 🇨🇳
dusk elm
lol better than usa
soft ruin
yes
soft ruin
uhhhh
dusk elm
they have rice, cat and dogs and anime
soft ruin
certainly
dusk elm
and totally not tiammen events
soft ruin
you don't?
arctic mortar
I'm beginning to think everything is an art 🤔
dusk elm
I'm beginning to think everything is an art 🤔
dont worry moos
hes just a chatgpt agent
that says that everythimg is art, including ai
hes a pro ai art
soft ruin
malls are american propaganda! I want to go to one store at a time, not themall
arctic mortar
Pro Ai has ground I just can't stand anyone who uses the unethical ones
dusk elm
screw beans
soft ruin
want family businesses, supporting the local economy
soft ruin
linux better bc not made by american
hushed palm
If you ask me, AI art sucks.
dusk elm
yea
hushed palm
Only for educational purposes
hushed palm
zoy says that everthing is art
Maybe the programming of the AI is art, and there are many thing that we consider art that are not made by humans, like nature, landscapes, or such.
dusk elm
yea
hushed palm
Ai art is abusive.
dusk elm
ZOY AKA CHATGPT AGENT STINKKKKKKS
hushed palm
lol
dusk elm
i think zoy is made of beans
and americans
hes a social construct meant to brainwash us fellow artists
into accepting ai
hushed palm
Lmao
hushed palm
I'm not into that perception of Zoi yet.
I think AI "art" or rather AI image generation can be useful, but doing a contest based on randomness from Artificial intelligence isn't a good idea for me.
dusk elm
thats a good argument
arctic mortar
zoy says that everthing is art
I mean art is a vague term technically anything pretty is
But like
dusk elm
including ai
arctic mortar
Even if it is art by definition that's not the point
dusk elm
zoy agrees with ai
torpid copper
zoy agrees with ai
AI has an opinion????!!!!????
dusk elm
zoy stinks cuz he made of BEANS
hushed palm
I mean art is a vague term technically anything pretty **is**
Anything that evokes beauty, harmony, or some kind of order.
arctic mortar
Opinion
dusk elm
onion
hushed palm
Opinion
Maybe we could consider the Ai image generation actuall art, I just don't think it's fair
arctic mortar
The technical term for what Ai generated is Artificial intelligence image generation
dusk elm
generation=mush
arctic mortar
People just say art because it's quicker and meaningless
dusk elm
not actual art
dusk elm
People just say art because it's quicker and meaningless
TAKE NOTES ZOYYYYYY
arctic mortar
Is it REALLY art? Is always a losing battle because art barely has a definition to begin with
dusk elm
ZOY RYMES WITH SOY
torpid copper
ZOY RYMES WITH SOY
most beautiful art i have ever seen ngl
arctic mortar
@torpid copper never let Nemex in my Ai art thread
arctic mortar
If he met Spacebar he might have a stroke
dusk elm
or fabaceae stuff
torpid copper
ngl nemex has the weakest arguments against ai i have ever seen, literally just seen "ai bad" and nothing else lol
dusk elm
ai bad
torpid copper
bro
dusk elm
my argument is valid
dusk elm
zoy rymes with soy
soy is a type of BEAN
BEANNNNNNN IS EVIL
bean is in alliance with chatgpt and americans
zoy agrees with ai art cuz of that
yall let him disrespect you like that ?
this is the art future
if you let ai in art
arctic mortar
ngl nemex has the weakest arguments against ai i have ever seen, literally just ...
Exactly
dusk elm
umm
u said that ai is not gud
i literally say the same thing
plus the "zoy=beans and chatgpt" stuff
torpid copper
if you let ai in art
you trying to say beans are bad 😠
dusk elm
YES
beans make you gassy
and they taste like shit
literally every bad event was caused by beans
the dino extinction, the dark plague, 9/11, the pandemic
broken orbit
The technical term for what Ai generated is Artificial intelligence image genera...
Yes! I say ai image generation and idc that it’s longer because that’s correct
It should not be given a title of something it isn’t
broken orbit
Anything that evokes beauty, harmony, or some kind of order.
The United States Government, by your definition, is art
Translation: just because you can look at ai image generation and think “this is cool” does not mean it is art
hushed palm
The United States Government, by your definition, is art
But the US Government doesn't have any of those!
broken orbit
It is a waste of time
hushed palm
isn't it?
broken orbit
But the US Government doesn't have any of those!
“Invokes order” laws invoke order, and the us government puts out laws
And it’s a demented contest anyway because there is one a month, and to be able to complete it in 10 minutes says it’s probably not a good contest
You should have to put time into it
And half related but I am generally tired of the art contest after art contest after art contest every month. It’s repetitive and is the same thing every month with a different prompt. On the other hand, I’ve modded servers before, and I understand that mods have lives, and making unique contest ideas and executing those ideas requires time.
subtle holly
No
broken orbit
No what
hushed palm
“Invokes order” laws invoke order, and the us government puts out laws
You're right. I should have specified more.
hushed palm
And half related but I am generally tired of the art contest after art contest a...
Same lol.
broken orbit
Any ai things are just going down a shitty path
Taking talent from the hands of actual people
Why should artists even exist if they can just type a few words and have the same thing?
hushed palm
Why should artists even exist if they can just type a few words and have the sam...
Based and correct. Please make iso the Dragon the new Midjiwan community manager.
broken orbit
lol real
candid mason
AI are efficient and relatively unbiased
The coders of the AI are biased
candid mason
ngl nemex has the weakest arguments against ai i have ever seen, literally just ...
I guess in my case I was just trying to be objective about it, utilizing the "even if/then"
torpid copper
The coders of the AI are biased
doesnt matter what the coders are, its the data that is the problem, and bias is a problem on every single ai
candid mason
what I mean to say is that bias is inevitable in AI
whether it's by design from the coder, or their knowledge
Or their environment
They are forever condemned to be biased, because they are based on us and our thoughts, and we are flawed
torpid copper
whether it's by design from the coder, or their knowledge
im saying that its hard go bias an ai thru the code alone, its just calculus, cant bias calculus
data however is always biasec in some way
glad osprey
no
don't do it
not really
ai art is easy to identify
serious lack of skill
they suck at hands or general anatomy
not a bad idea though
also what mod though this was a good idea wtf
candid mason
Zoy lol
mystic carbon
ok i was joking during april fools but i would say no
Cuz even if we decided to go through with it, the voting of artwork would be extremely difficult cuz chances are, they would all look the same
the only way for one’s artwork to actually look different is if they train their own ai model
which would take some time before it is actually able to produce something of general quality
the only way to speed up that process is if you dump a bunch of other art from other people but that would be fucking scummy in terms of the rights of how artists want their art to be used
especially the fact if there are going to be rewards for the ai art contest
midnight dust
broken orbit
i do and don’t want to hear that story
I think we’ve had like 2 non-art contests this year and it is the middle of June
lavish geode
One i think would be okay
but not yet
Maybe next year
also do another one where each tribe submits three
and highest total wins
or total average now ig
glad osprey
One i think would be okay
no
just no
ai art (the way it is now) should be extinguished
it's filled with plagiarism
in fact, ai art shouldn't be used for anything other than i guess having fun because it requires no effort whatsoever so using it for a contest is just a bad idea generally
keen lily
Artist's intent is literally everything
glad osprey
wouldn't be such a problem if AI art wasn't plagiarism
keen lily
It guides everything in the creation of the final product
tawdry vector
@arctic mortar
arctic mortar
What
glad osprey
it just takes art made by people to make "it's own"
keen lily
Also I don't think just because AI is rapidly growing means we have to embrace it sooner rather than later regardless of its individual pros and cons
If anything you can take a stance against it sooner than later
arctic mortar
tawdry vector
true
glad osprey
Also I don't think just because AI is rapidly growing means we have to embrace i...
im heavily against it tbh
arctic mortar
the only way for one’s artwork to actually look different is if they train their...
Also we aren't Ai scientist/programmers with physically couldn't
tawdry vector
glad osprey
tell chat gpt to develop an ai art program 
keen lily
im heavily against it tbh
Samw
glad osprey
tell chat gpt to develop an ai art program <:kickootroll:858878581697413140>
then keep fixing all the bugs for days
keen lily
I honestly just don't get the point, sometimes you get cool results but it's just void of all the input, thought, creativity and effort that you put into a piece you make yourself
Like sure maybe you have to know how to write the prompts but I dare say that isn't a comparable skill (maybe poorly worded)
keen lily
I honestly just don't get the point, sometimes you get cool results but it's jus...
I promise I wasn't trying to slate programming or anything like that btw, it can honestly be an art of its own sometimes, I just meant like writing a prompt for an AI generator isn't the same as making the art yourself
arctic mortar
Spacebar when he joins here and responds to each 16 artists separately with 77 pings
glad osprey
yeah, "plagiarism" is pretty objective though.
zoy is watching too much sci-fi
ai can't generate their own art
they aren't creative
they take from other sources to do their "art"
torpid copper
@arctic mortar this thread is like #1061794592854380665 but like half a year behind 🙃
I dont think ive seen anything in here that hasnt already been covered in there like sevral months ago lolol
arctic mortar
<@550365949182869527> this thread is like <#1061794592854380665> but like half a...
ikr
i like sing thatmassive video just beacse it covers EVERYTHING
glad osprey
The United States Government, by your definition, is art
you're wrong, there's no beauty or harmony in the United States smh
arctic mortar
https://youtu.be/9xJCzKdPyCo
(and its by someone who has a somewhat relevant background in the subject)
i do have beef with "ai art" being an accessibility tool because ehhhhhhhhh i dont think it is
like art is already majorly accessible you can make it--
theres a billion acessibilty tools out there
ai art is accessibility in the same way giving and directing an artist doing a work for you is art "accessibility"
as long as you have a working limb you can draw 😢
like i mean that and working eyes tbf-
arctic mortar
theres a billion tools out there for issues like muscle problems, that shaky hand thing
glad osprey
(unlike ai "art")
arctic mortar
theres a billion tools out there for issues like muscle problems, that shaky han...
every major softwarer out there except ms paint has these accessibility tools
mystic carbon
Also we aren't Ai scientist/programmers with physically couldn't
i attended a whole course on ai once, so…
ez win
soft ruin
this being my first comment lol
why is there no way to get to the top of a thread
in discord
there is no way to search a thread
as if it was a channel
yeah I also watched plenty of video essays on ai art
very straightforward topic
when the
when the cons outweigh the pros
in an unequivocal way
broken orbit
you're wrong, there's no beauty or harmony in the United States smh
Lmao as an Ohioan i agree, i think I made my point tho
arctic mortar
why is there no way to get to the top of a thread
Idk
I think when new ppl click on a thread they're redirected to the very top tho
arctic mortar
I am too lazy to read through this thread lol
No one here defends Ai lol
You've read through more
Coward
vague fog
ok lol
glad osprey
ok why hasn't this been closed yet
point's have been proved
again
like
#1061794592854380665
crude jungle
ok why hasn't this been closed yet
Because this whole thing was Zoythrus's idea, lol
lavish geode
no
leave ping on if you rmb next time lol
butupon reconsideration
Yes
idisagree
arctic mortar
Wait
Okay nvm
You know I did some comparing to other servers at 20000+ members and we have a surprisingly active art community
I don't have the hugest sample size but to my knowledge the only servers with this many art posts are ones with 100 000+
Although they are technically winning
The only exception is the shovel knight server for some reason that arguably as more art activity this server
Despite having 2000+
Can anyone else compare an contrast?
glad osprey
Because this whole thing was Zoythrus's idea, lol
of course it is
(i will refrain from finishing this phrase)
mellow pike
Lol
vague fog
point's have been proved
*points
*proven
vague fog
proved is correct, to be fair, but far less common as a modifier
hence "proven" sounds more natural and native-like
vague fog
https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057
ok but im not arguing, just sayin'
proven quiver
the mere concept of an "AI Art Contest" completley undermines what makes art contests important and valuable. Art contests are supposed to be a demonstration of technical skill, imagination, and artistic liberty and creativity. I understand the concept though if what is meant by it is that artists can use ai as a RESOURCE for creativity, but the majority of the time that isnt the case. Its just gonna be a bunch of people going on midjourney and halfassing some prompt and submitting it as "art". None of it is creative or interesting. The only people who end up winning those contests are people who know how to properly type up a good prompt for the ai to use, or people who got lucky with what they generated
An Ai art contest is just the equivalent of mass produced consumer art
they arent interesting or fun, no one votes on them, and we should just never do them
crude jungle
#1122514495814774784
soft ruin
nope, not back
daring sapphire
But I can't ping him a few days ago
floral plank
You can ping anyone even when they're not on this server
daring sapphire
@konggejian
I can't ping him suddenly
@floral plank
What is happening
I also can't see any roles
floral plank
both tama and me told you
he's not here
being able to ping him doesn't mean he's here
candid mason
That's new
torpid copper
I also can't see any roles
bad Internet, or bad discord servers
just connection issues 🤷♂️
floral plank
That's new
not really
you can ping anyone on discord as long as you get their ID and the account is not disabled
floral plank
I don't know how Polytoblerone pinged though
but on mobile if you press the username it sort of auto-ping
which may not take in account that they left the server
coral goblet
@vague fog
subtle holly
lmao
glad osprey
@konggejian
crude jungle
#1122514495814774784
idle wave
torpid copper
@vague fog
hybrid quarry
.