Artist-corner rework

[sinful seal]

Do it no balls

@visual laurel @lament imp how many people will it take to say that they don’t like the ideas until change is done

https://tenor.com/view/suggestions-discord-paper-shredder-printer-gif-21816765

This gif is too real for this server

[red temple]

I've yet to see suggestions actually be acted upon in any server

[sinful seal]

They used to be here but those days are long past

[hushed temple]

nah bro u didn't just say that

you bet?

[sinful seal]

I did

[hushed temple]

hmm

[hushed temple]

yeah ok it's worth it

[red temple]

bye

[serene star]

Congrats Word_Bearer. Your recent activity just advanced you to level 25!

[lament imp]

I can't give an exact number

[hushed temple]

watch and learn

[indigo vine]

wait guys what

oh no

[hushed temple]

actually i can't

[sinful seal]

You all need to cut the bullshit

[hushed temple]

i don't have perms to ping admin

💀

[red temple]

excuses

[hushed temple]

wait

it hadn't loaded

[sinful seal]

Admins need to Listen to your goddamn community feels like I’m on one of those Big BS community servers

[indigo vine]

this is one of those lol

[red temple]

yup

[sinful seal]

It is now

[hushed temple]

lmao

[indigo vine]

the post Lelia collapse

[hushed temple]

yes

[sinful seal]

Words cannot describe my temptation to push @ admin

And @ moderator

[red temple]

coincidence?

[hushed temple]

i mean

[pure oak]

you will ping all 4 of us lmao

[hushed temple]

staff is very passive in this server

[sinful seal]

Why i put moderator

[hushed temple]

most you'll get is a mute

[sinful seal]

They don’t get shit done

[sinful seal]

I was gonna leave anyways

[indigo vine]

yeah there's 3 admins (1) and zoy

two have quit recently

[sinful seal]

Tintin on his way to be admin

[indigo vine]

but don't worry, they will promote the

[hushed temple]

do it

[pure oak]

the

[indigo vine]

[pure oak]

manmade horrors beyond comprehension

[sinful seal]

Bitch please I left for good already I just came back to laugh at this servers rotting corpse

[hushed temple]

lmao

aight

[visual laurel]

Change is hard, yes

[hushed temple]

it's a deserved ping, staff need to actually moderate channels instead of trying to make automatic solutions

[sinful seal]

Stop tryna fix what isn’t broken

[indigo vine]

that sounds like something Lelia once said

that also

[sinful seal]

Especially when this server has real issues

[indigo vine]

STOP MAKING ME MISS HER PRESENCE

😭😭😭😭

[sinful seal]

That need to be addressed

[visual laurel]

Alfrik, you were the one who said we shouldn't overly police off topic posts

I am confused

Do you want us to be more strict in this server or not?

[indigo vine]

this is why Lelia left

people say things and it never lands on the other side

[sinful seal]

It’s not about being strict if I had to guess more of not making jackass decisions

[indigo vine]

I'm not going to join a heated argument in here

[sinful seal]

I respect you’re trying to do something @visual laurel

[red temple]

#1042822527841476608 🙂

[hushed temple]

it's more about actually doing it

[visual laurel]

It sounds like you want mods to change #artist-showcase back to how it was, but be more strict about telling people to only talk about art. Is that right?

[hushed temple]

kind of

[red temple]

let him answer

[sinful seal]

When I returned I feel like this is all too unnecessary

[visual laurel]

you can't just say stuff like "This is why Lelia left" and not expect an argument

[hushed temple]

pretty sure alfrik already went away

[indigo vine]

and after an argument what will change?

[sinful seal]

I’m not sure how the general community views this but from what I’ve seen this seems to be pretty widely considered a pointless change

[visual laurel]

I'm tryting to understand, not argue

[indigo vine]

she argued for a year and was never listened to

I argued for idk how long

people are not listened to in this place anymore

[visual laurel]

She argued that the serve was too horny and toxic.

[sinful seal]

I mean you guys did unban a guy who said he likes little kids

[visual laurel]

It is easy to point out problems. It is harder to come up with solutions

If the artist corner change is bad, we can put it back the way it was

[sinful seal]

Here’s a solution don’t unban him

And Moderate general

[visual laurel]

you mean be more strict?

[sinful seal]

I think being horny in general was always against the rules just hasn’t been enforced as of lately

[indigo vine]

when it came to artists corner, I believe Lelia was placed in charge of the issue

she made a perfectly reasonable and easy solution, it wasn't drastic and could solve the problem

but then it was never considered. Mods made a decision without consulting anyone else. She told you guys to communicate with people and hear their concerns and discuss solutions that's what she and no other mod did

[visual laurel]

Actually, lelia was the only one who wanted that

We did a vote

She was litteraly the only person to vote the way she did

[sinful seal]

Why not see what the community felt

[visual laurel]

Usually, server changes are decided by majority vote

[indigo vine]

yes, and she was also the only one actively talking to people about the issue

[visual laurel]

THen she elft

So we are doing our best without her

[indigo vine]

the first poll done for the artists ended with skewed and poor results

but everyone in the mod team but her seemed fine with that

[visual laurel]

Why do you say poor results?

[indigo vine]

it was structured unfairly

[visual laurel]

What's that saying - you can't keep calling for a new election because you don't like the outcome

[indigo vine]

well when the election is rigged

[visual laurel]

ANyway, I offered t odo a new vote

And I asked Lelia to take over if she felt strongly about it

And she left

[indigo vine]

that's not what happened

I don't like that some mods are treating her leaving as something completely unrelated to what it was really about

[visual laurel]

Did I not offer to make a new vote? Did I not ask Lelia to take over if she felt strongly about it?

I honestly tried to listen and help

I'm sorry if what I did was not helpful

[errant fog]

Lirerally 1984

[indigo vine]

it's a bit late to be sorry

[visual laurel]

Hi Atomic

[sinful seal]

Pugs message lives on

[errant fog]

Hello

[visual laurel]

What do you think of the change to #artist-showcase ?

[errant fog]

Not good

[red temple]

+1

[indigo vine]

I don't think anyone was satisfied with this decision

[hushed temple]

pretty bad

[errant fog]

Im not a fan

[indigo vine]

it factored in no one's concerns

people are entirely justified to believe that mods do not listen to them now

[red temple]

next time we do a big ol server change, can we vote on it too in #announcements ?

[errant fog]

Thats what i suggested

And moos too

[red temple]

reference the most recent pinned message

[indigo vine]

Lol

[sinful seal]

[errant fog]

Lmao

[visual laurel]

We can put #artist-showcase back and try to be more strict about moderating it there

I am trying to listen

[sinful seal]

@visual laurel out of curiosity what caused paradoxical to be gone once more

[errant fog]

Bad gifs

Naughty stuff

[visual laurel]

He was banned for posting a gif with a banned word. It was after he'd posted other banned stuff

[sinful seal]

Interesting.

[visual laurel]

Is he the one you think we should not have unbanned?

You think we were too strict?

[sinful seal]

No

He deserved it

I was just curious

[visual laurel]

okay

[sinful seal]

That was whail who I do not believe deserved a second chance

[visual laurel]

I have a very hard time knowing when I am being too strict. Sometimes I warn people for breaking rules, but am told I am too strict. Other times, I ignore borderline stuff and get told I am not moderating enough. I am not good at that

[sinful seal]

What I don’t understand is

Whail literally said things about being attracted to people below 18 and how that should be accepted

What is his case for being unbanned?

[hushed temple]

everyone gets unbanned

[errant fog]

ban robin to make even

[sinful seal]

Not everyone.

[red temple]

his re-arrival took a year and still caused a stir

[sinful seal]

Do it I dare you

[sinful seal]

Yea no shit someone being a pedo isn’t something servers typically should have

[visual laurel]

I can only tell you my perspective. I cannot speak for the whole mod team about whail. I personally believe in second chances. I would rather give someone a way to be productive, fun, and helpful than to shut them out forever. Whail made some great art and had contributions to this place. I was willing to give him a chance with the understanding that we would ban again if he broke a rule

[sinful seal]

Also I noticed you guys purged vanity roles but I don’t see how

Art admirer?

[indigo vine]

deleted 5 or 6 vanity roles (of 200)

[visual laurel]

We voted to unban and that's how the mod team operates

[sinful seal]

Pronoun roles?

Companion?

[visual laurel]

Those are stil here

[indigo vine]

well this got off course lol

[sinful seal]

Multiplayer?

[visual laurel]

Are you saying we should get rid of those roles?

[sinful seal]

Yea and my point is I don’t understand why if you wanted to get rid of vanity roles

[hushed temple]

ok can we talk about this?

[sinful seal]

It’s like you guys didn’t wanna go too far

[indigo vine]

the alternative was half the server sent to oblivion so be glad this is what we got lol

[sinful seal]

Lol okay

[hushed temple]

if the mod team thinks unbanning a pedophile is a good idea then i can see why things aren't working

[indigo vine]

yeeeaaahhh

[visual laurel]

Some of those are not vanity roles. The companion role is used for mods of other servers.They are considered staff and have access to staff channels. The multiplayer role gives acess to those channels in the category. It is not a vanity role

[sinful seal]

Perfect metaphor for the server

[visual laurel]

As for the pronoun roles, that was a call made by Midjiwan. If he wants them in the server, then they are here

Art admirer gives access to #fanart-gallery

So each of those roles has a purpose

[red temple]

what does notify do?

[indigo vine]

Lelia: server too horny

mods: how about these incels and pedophiles we unbanned

you see how she thinks no one listened to her

[errant fog]

Notifies people

[sinful seal]

I never understood pronoun roles just put that in your about me bjt that’s another topic

[red temple]

no, the role

[pine trench]

just gonna toss in my two cents. from what I've seen, the server needs (big) changes of some kind, and maybe it would be a good idea to get the mod teams together and actually figure out more than just vague rules on how far things have to go before action is taken.

Also probably make server-wide votes on more major changes, because the mods aren't the ones who use the server the most, that would be the rest of the community.

[indigo vine]

this is so much art related discussion

[errant fog]

People who have the role get notified

:D

[indigo vine]

official main hate forum

[sinful seal]

Problem with forums

No broad topic

[errant fog]

I think the verdict is art change bad

[hushed temple]

if i ain't gonna see their about me then i ain't gonna see their roles either lol

i think is phrased that very incorrectly

💀

[errant fog]

Youre not wrong tho

[visual laurel]

Is the role mods ping when making announcements

[red temple]

okay

[errant fog]

Okay

[sinful seal]

Okay

[visual laurel]

What big changes do you want to see?

[pine trench]

well I don't know, more communication between the "higher-ups" and the rest of the server, maybe? I don't know I'm not active enough to be in the loop anymore

[indigo vine]

impossible request

[hushed temple]

Polls for the whole server to vote in would be far better

[indigo vine]

polls that aren't skewed*

[visual laurel]

So more democracy?

Let the users decide stuff, not the mods?

[pine trench]

it's the users community, is it not?

the people who play polytopia?

[hushed temple]

certainly more favourable

[visual laurel]

Technically, it is Midjiwans community. He is the ultimate boss, but yes, this place is for the Polytopioa community

[visual laurel]

do you have time to help me craft a new poll? I proposed one in mod chat, but it went nowhere

I could post it here for eveyone to vote

[indigo vine]

I don't want to participate in running this server anymore

[visual laurel]

okay

[pine trench]

if people are gonna be mods and admins, they need to be willing to participate in things to better the server

[errant fog]

Only thing id like to see chanhed is this process of reworking, but more efficient, because this simple and tiny error being dragged out is wearing at the reputation of the server.

[proven vector]

1984 moment

[indigo vine]

welcome to the riot

[proven vector]

Hi

[red temple]

every day on tis server is a riot

[proven vector]

Ngl

[visual laurel]

What do you mean by participate in things? Can you give me an example

[proven vector]

All y'all need to do is uh

[indigo vine]

don't say it

[visual laurel]

Hi Moos

[errant fog]

This process should be as simple as "okay, the people dont like this change, lets revert it to how it was and see if we can come up with some better ideas"

[proven vector]

Set the cool-down to 1min

Or less

[indigo vine]

Moos

[visual laurel]

I am here to listen and try to understand

[indigo vine]

you don't understand moos

this has been 20 different conversations

[visual laurel]

If mods messed up, we will try to fix it

[indigo vine]

not just art anymore

[proven vector]

Oh no

[indigo vine]

server explosion

post Lelia collapse

[visual laurel]

Should we just put it back the way it was?

[red temple]

all the pent up tension

[pine trench]

well I don't know what goes on in the mod chat, but you said when you proposed stuff, I assumed nobody wanted to do anything of the sort. the mods are there to moderate, but if they're not gonna moderate or make decisions, then they're not really doing their jobs?

[proven vector]

Guys I watch one movie and y'all go back to primal instincts fr

[red temple]

finally broke

[indigo vine]

ooga ooga

[proven vector]

Ngl I think a big issue with the mod team is uh

Y'all don't

Work together well

like

At all

[red temple]

no shit

[pine trench]

^

[proven vector]

I've seen less infighting in preschool playgrounds smh

And idk how to fix that

In fairness

[hushed temple]

Y'all don't Work together well

[visual laurel]

What I am hearing is two different things.

It sounds like you want mods to be more involved and manage the server more actively. But other people are saying that mods should back off and let the users make the decisions about how this place should be run

[hushed temple]

well it's simple

[visual laurel]

Can you give me an example of how mods are not working well together?

[proven vector]

Well

In fairness

Lelia just left

[red temple]

get the list

[proven vector]

because she didn't wanna

Do shit

[hushed temple]

we decide things and you guys make it work and moderate the channels

W

[proven vector]

Because it was hurting her mental health or smth

Stress or smth

[indigo vine]

she felt ignored mainly

and she was

in my opinion

[visual laurel]

It sounds like Alfriks said he left because mods were mean to her

Which honestly hurts

[proven vector]

I mean

We're y'all

[visual laurel]

I did my best to listen to Lelia. I appreicated her help and her point of view

[proven vector]

Like honestly this isn't the first time someone's left like this cough cough

[indigo vine]

[proven vector]

But

Yea

I think it's a mixture of also uh

None of y'all want to do anything

Which I kinda get

You're volunteers

You're a mod and you wanna do fun things like game night and contests

Not channel shit

[visual laurel]

Lelia was not the only one saying this place is too horny. I said it oo

You think I don't care about that?

[proven vector]

In fairness Lelia contributed to the server horny a FAIR AMOUNT

[red temple]

you do too

[indigo vine]

by existing

[proven vector]

Literally

[indigo vine]

there are a lot of creeps out there

[pine trench]

that's the internet for you

[proven vector]

Ehhh

You could tbh

I'm not opposed to threads it's just that it's a public community server

Makes it a no go tbh

So really it's just two channels or revert it

Slowmode is just annoying (like everyone except redish predicted)

[visual laurel]

So you want to have a second channe for discussion and only art in #artist-showcase with strict moderation there?

[worn root]

Yeah

[proven vector]

Pretty sure that's why this thread was made

[red temple]

yes

[indigo vine]

I still believe in the simple solution of just moderating the existing channel better

it's easy and proven to work

[hushed temple]

Was there ever a woman president on the USA?

[indigo vine]

when people care to moderate it

[hushed temple]

this just came to my mind while i was watching this convo

[pine trench]

make art mod role, give them perms to delete unsavory messages in specific channels, but removed if abused

problem solved

[errant fog]

Its not about winning, its about sending a mesaage

[visual laurel]

Feel free to bring that up in #1055162748322992229 (Mod thread about artist corner)

[errant fog]

Bro

[hushed temple]

#deleted_channel is very cool

[red temple]

the elite chatroom of polytopia

[errant fog]

🗿

[visual laurel]

That's the mod thread about this

[errant fog]

Please refer to the recent pin

[red temple]

that was my line >: (

[errant fog]

Sorry, ill cite my sources next time

[proven vector]

#1042822527841476608

Weird

It does work

[hushed temple]

the usa never had a woman as president before

damn

which means Brazil is more advanced in equality

we also had a black president earlier

[proven vector]

Post Lelia is a dark time

I miss her

It does kinda feel like the community gets ignored sometimes tho

[indigo vine]

🥺

I did not expect this reaction from everyone

but to see that everyone truly really appreciated her makes her feel a lot better

[visual laurel]

I don't even know what to do now. Alfrik says "listen to the community" but what does that mean? Put #artist-showcase back? Bring back #art-discussion ?
Please, if there is a community here, what do you want?

[errant fog]

For the time being, Id say we revert it, until a comprimised solution is reached.

Thats a good starting point

And with all the chaos, its probably best to take things one step at a time

[junior lodge]

I think two separate channels would be best, probably with a slowmode in the art one to help people understand they should not talk there, and help mods mod it.

[visual laurel]

I'm just putting #artist-showcase back to how it was. No cool downs. Threads can stay for now

[visual laurel]

We will try to keep a closer eye on #artist-showcase to keep the posts there about the art

Mabye we'll change it again. I don't even know

[red temple]

that was a nice calm discussion

[muted canopy]

this is probably the most stupid conversation I have ever read

good fucking god

absolutely pathetic

makes the republican conference in the US House look well managed

you've got mail -- someone just got notified for that

[urban igloo]

You should give Twitter a read through. Im sure you'll find a conversation worse than this lul

[proven vector]

Ikr it's almost like they should give me supreme authority

[errant fog]

^

[pure oak]

[proven vector]

That's two votes Liz

[lone basin]

@wide anvil bro

U removed the slow mode, idk what u think was gonna happen

[wide anvil]

I didn't remove the slowmode.

[barren drum]

^

lol

[wide anvil]

People here pushed for it

Blame them

[lone basin]

@proven vector what did you think was gonna happen

This new rework is dumb

[proven vector]

That the slowmode was gonna backfire

[lone basin]

Well having no slow mode isn’t any better

[barren drum]

personally i think at least leaving it a week to see what would happen was better, but oh well, best we can do now is moderate better

[wide anvil]

^

[barren drum]

which ig is part of our workload

[lone basin]

Well it ain’t workin

[barren drum]

idk we will try to make it work as best as we can

[lone basin]

And it will continue to not work

[barren drum]

🤷‍♂️

[wide anvil]

No matter the solution there will be people to complain here

[lone basin]

You can do something about that

[barren drum]

literally nothing we can do rn

we being pixel and me

gonna have to go talk higher up the chain of command lol :p

[lone basin]

Well it’s my turn to have a go at it-and I say make a 5 min slow mode

[wide anvil]

We already did something and many voices raised to go back. So we went back

[lone basin]

Many voices being like Moos’s voice

[wide anvil]

I'm glad to see you supported our change but I'm afraid it's too late

[lone basin]

So nothing has changed at all, then

[wide anvil]

Yes, Moos is very vocal

[barren drum]

we will try to moderate better

[wide anvil]

We agreed to be stricter

On moderation

[red temple]

typical polytopia server moment

[pure oak]

what what is going on what's the matter again

[lone basin]

But what has changed?

They removed the slow mode then are complaining about people talking

[red temple]

they were supposed to enforce it more withut the slowmode

did we agree on nothing yesterday

[pure oak]

no

[barren drum]

we will try to improve ourselves

and do better job of moderating

and see how it goes

hopefully better

[pure oak]

bruh what happened now

[red temple]

people shitposting in #artist-showcase

got deleted

fixed

[pure oak]

oh that's why I don't see it

👌 👍

[errant fog]

Yeah, I had to do some enforcing this morning because the mods were nonexistant

[red temple]

that's just sad

[errant fog]

It is

[barren drum]

@errant fog ghost ping was just telling u to not talk of topic btw

this morning i stil had 0 clue what was going on lol

[errant fog]

Me?

[barren drum]

ye

i think

icr exactly, but might of been

anyway i think i now know whats going on, so i can actually do something

[errant fog]

You mean when I was telling other people not to talk off topic?

[barren drum]

uuh wasnt there smthing about ohoi in there?

[red temple]

you shitposted about ohio, dude

[errant fog]

Wait was the ohio thing in #artist-showcase

[barren drum]

ye

smh

[errant fog]

Wops

I thought i was in general

My bad

[barren drum]

no worries

makes up for helping out earlier

[errant fog]

Perfectly balanced

As all things should be

[pulsar blaze]

Hello

I've been told that there's been some issues

And I'm here to see if I can set things straight

So, what would you like me to know?

[indigo vine]

that you SUCK 🤬

[pulsar blaze]

Alright

I'm looking for something a little more descriptive

[indigo vine]

and also that people think mods don't listen to them or consider their opinions, or communicate effectively between staff and member

to the point that even an admin left because she felt ignored by the team and she tried to help mediate between them and the people

the big arguments last night were only partly about artists corner

mostly it was boiling over tension from a multitude of issues

people feel like the mods can't effectively make decisions and they keep messing up

[errant fog]

In short

Mods useless

[red temple]

yeah

[errant fog]

Im not mad

Just dissapointed

As my dad would say

[pulsar blaze]

This is the hard part of moderation.

This isn't easy, as you can't give people too much freedom, but you also need to make sure that you're not oppressive

And we all have to understand that the balance is hard to find at times

And yeah, sometimes they mess up a little, as a server like this has a ton of people, all with different levels of what they consider "too free" or "oppressive"

We need to make sure we have enough authority and control to keep things running smoothly and make changes where necessary, but be lax enough to let people have fun

So, then, @errant fog @red temple, what would you two like to see the mod team get better at?

[errant fog]

Im already starting to see the mods start enforcing better, thats a good thing

Making sure art channel is about art

N stuff

[pulsar blaze]

I've been hearing some of the mods say that anytime the use their powers (regardless of good or bad), they keep hearing "1984" or complaints, like the simple act of being a moderator (which is important) is somehow "oppressive"

I think it creates a feedback loop of "moderator does something -> people complain for whatever reason -> mod doesn't want to get involved because they're just going to be insulted -> things go out of control"

[errant fog]

I would also like to see some more problem solving skills, because a simple tweak like the artist corner rework shouldnt be drawn out and become this giant issue

[pulsar blaze]

From what I'm understanding, that's the plan

[errant fog]

If the problem can be solved swiftly and effectively, then the problem of these complaints doesnt happen

[red temple]

mods are pretty uncoordinated

[errant fog]

That too

[red temple]

some of them didn't even realize there was an issue with the art corner

[errant fog]

Lmao

[pulsar blaze]

But, counter point - if the mods did something swift and effectively, they'd be given complaints about how they're not transparent or somehow oppressive because there was no community discussion

[errant fog]

I pointed out this earlier

Thankfully, its been reverted for the time being

[muted canopy]

I concur

[errant fog]

But not without an unreasonable amount of pandemonium in between

[pulsar blaze]

From what I'm understanding by the mod team, even reverting the changes to the artists corner has gotten them complaints

rock/hard place

[red temple]

conflicting opinions

[red temple]

.

[errant fog]

Well, what we can say here is that we know this response to criticism definitely doesnt work

[muted canopy]

Honestly, it has always been like that. The mods are volunteers all with their own ideas of how things should be run

Of course you're going to get butting heads

[errant fog]

Criticism will exist, we just gotta keep it to a minimum and make it have little impact to the server

[pulsar blaze]

I'd like to make a point here.

There are some times when we're honestly not too sure what the people want. Not because we're detached, but because we're going to get complaints no matter what we do. It makes the moderation of a server this large pretty difficult at times.

Granted, we can still take the "wrong" option, but things aren't always as cut-and-dry as we'd all like

[muted canopy]

Well said. I agree

[pulsar blaze]

There's actually some good in this. I've stacked things in a way where we can have dissenting opinions. We don't want "yes men"

But yeah, it does come with the cost of some disorganization at times

So, I'd like to open the floor to people who would like to share their opinions on how we can improve.

[muted canopy]

Absolutely. I used to be much more active here and I strongly advocated against promoting people like this

Ultimately though, yeah, too much shouting can lead to no one being heard

[pulsar blaze]

We wanted mods with different perspectives instead of people who do whatever I tell them to do. That's just asking for stagnation, y'know?

[pulsar blaze]

And that's definitely a place for us to improve, obviously

Even the best teams can fall into this

[errant fog]

Maybe a proper system to deal with issues like these? If the response is quite negative, hold off the change, and do a proper vote to see what the majority of people think

[muted canopy]

Sometimes, and this isn't meant to be a knock on anyone here, people have trouble accepting that their idea is not the best course of action. Not sure if that applies here but from I have heard from people it seems to be semi-prominent

[errant fog]

And also, make sure its implimented fast to avoid long, stretched out debates like these

[barren drum]

vote for mods or for users to give input?

[errant fog]

Either or

[muted canopy]

For sure

[pulsar blaze]

I actually think the mods here are good people, and that's not just me "defending my own".

What we could work on is some cohesiveness and some proper systems to hear the will of the people a bit more clearly.

[barren drum]

thing is we did a vote and ppl still didnt like it, another layer of complexity :p

[errant fog]

When was the vote

[muted canopy]

What was the issue? I've only come here because I heard Lelia left, and I haven't really been following the events that have transpired here

[barren drum]

uuuh a while back, result was no change but ppl took it other ways 🤷‍♂️

its in pins

i think thats waht made this seem so drawn out

[pulsar blaze]

That's the thing - we're kinda in a position of "damned if you do, damned if you dont", where any option that isn't "complete and total anarchy" is met with backlash at times

[barren drum]

it was 2 different decissions

[errant fog]

Oh yeah, lizard was talking about jow she didnt like the other mods' indecisiveness

[barren drum]

first time round was decided on no change

[muted canopy]

Appreciate it

[barren drum]

then like 2-3 weeks later i think discussion started again

so made everything seem very drawn out

but it also kinda was

idk

[red temple]

that doesn't sound too bad anymore

[muted canopy]

If it's any consolation, the people who are the most upset always make their vote known. Hence why the president's party normally does completely awful in the midterms (spare this year, but that's a rabbit hole I don't want to go down).

It seems like this event is larger than that and has swayed people who are less opposed to the mean than the normal crowd of protesters. While this may not apply to this instance, I ultimately think and have thought for some time now that most decisions done by the mod team are received fairly well, with a small minority of cantankerous members who won't be satisfied (connection to current events, lol).

[muted canopy]

Careful what you wish for. I've seen a few of the servers that subscribe to that mindset and they are not what you would think.

[indigo vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1048805121003368508.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[muted canopy]

Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

[red temple]

duly noted

and ignored

[indigo vine]

I wouldn't say received well

I'd say mostly ignored

most of the time when a decision isn't mostly ignored it gets negative reactions

[muted canopy]

Not a mass revolt though, like now. That is what I'm trying to accentuate

[indigo vine]

I think things work best when people have no idea the mods are even doing anything

then it's smooth and natural and no one gets upset

[muted canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cirno-cirno-day-touhou-touhou-fumo-lenda-gif-26679741

[indigo vine]

but when they make blunders or big major changes, people notice

and things unfold accordingly

[muted canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-compelling-didnt-ask-dont-gif-24737803

[indigo vine]

positive or negative

[red temple]

you do

dang

[lone basin]

Like, the #artist-showcase rework isn’t bad

And I am for it

[frank sapphire]

Unnecessary

[muted canopy]

Fair

[lone basin]

But Jesus Christ, if you’re gonna say “no non-art posts” then put a slowmode

[frank sapphire]

Nvm

[lone basin]

Because people are going to talk there anyway

[frank sapphire]

Yeah

[lone basin]

I’m not complaining about what you’re doing

I’m complaining about how you’re doing it

Moreover, I don’t care what you do, just that you do it well

[barren drum]

its hard 😔

especially when u get ppl trying to demoralise u every step

[indigo vine]

🤓 1984

[lone basin]

Lmao

I’m actually very happy spmeone is banned forever from this place, but that’s disscussion for another time

[barren drum]

and honestly good job, cause imma be taking a break when im done with yad event, mainly for exams but partly cause if the strain of ppl on this server lol

[red temple]

okay

choose a good replacement

[lone basin]

One cannot exist without having people that oppose them.

So choose the best option here

And the best option is probably not some in-between option that will 1) cause confusion 2) be ignored 3) be hard to moderate

[red temple]

none of those are good

[muted canopy]

I feel you. That was the main reason I resigned months ago -- the whole Kahuna fiasco and all the shit that would go on was too much for me to consistenly handle

[indigo vine]

oh no

no let's not get former mods to discuss why they quit

that will just demoralize everyone twice as much

[pulsar blaze]

Yes, this is not the place for that

[lone basin]

Get the slowmode back if they want to have #artist-showcase be for art only.

Or, revert it to the way it was before all this happened

Both of those are complete, solid options

I understand that 828385892929484 threads are hard to moderate, and I also understand that the people (moos) will be angry if you revert it

But right now, it’s just bad

[pulsar blaze]

Honestly, reverting it all back to how it was isn't a terrible idea, at least for now. We'll have to put more thought into how we want to adjust it.

[errant fog]

can you make a quick announcement regarding the revert?

just to make sure everyone is aware

[lone basin]

I agree. I don’t have any other rework options in my head rn

[lone basin]

Everyone who gives two (or just one) craps is already part of this thread, most likely

[errant fog]

i guess so

[lone basin]

I don’t see a point to an announcement when nothing is actually being done

[errant fog]

i wasnt thinking it would be a pingworthy announcement, just a quick message stating that its been reverted

[lone basin]

I’m confused. Is something happening or no?

[errant fog]

i dunno :P

[red temple]

??? Why ping

[lone basin]

Huh

[urban igloo]

[wide anvil]

Wait, who are you ? PrancingPony ?

[proven vector]

Or they could do another solution like one literally everyone else voted for 👀

[proven vector]

[errant fog]

Lesson learned: mods need to learn how to be insulted lmao

[indigo vine]

based

[errant fog]

basic

pH of 14

[urban igloo]

Such a goofy thread

[errant fog]

^

[urban grotto]

everyone needs to learn how to be insulted for real

people know how to give but they don't know to to take criticism

[urban grotto]

I saw the message in #announcements and i basically instantly knew it would be a problem. People chat in #artist-showcase, and 9 times out of 10, that chat derives from hardcore art discussion. Telling people to chat in general or threads or not at all is super limiting, with general being a constant 24/7 circus, threads not attracting communcal discussions and being more formal (you dont want to derail a little bit in a thread), and the latter simply going against the fact the conversations were occuring in there in the first place.

I only came here bcos of zoy's 1984 comment which is now going in my archive. But I don't see why a second channel specifically for chatting isn't the solution.

Btw i would like to say, since Zoy mentioned "1984", 98/100 times someone saying "literally 1984" is being satirical, and the remaining 2/100 is from entitled people. Comments like this shouldn't be heeded, they're simply a jape at something "disliked".

Zoy mentioned a feedback loop of complaints, and while there is some truth to it, there's always going to be complaints. Moderation is a hard job, and doing what's best for the community means you're going to get complaints. Since everyone's "best for the community" isn't the same. Any moderator who isn't ready for arbitrary complaints probably shouldn't be moderator, and respectfully, should resign from their position. Since in a community of 43k, you're going to get shit no matter what angle you take.

@visual laurel took concern with the seemingly paradoxical want of "Mods taking initiative and doing things & Users make the decisions". But the way to look at this is, Moderators are, ultimately, an extension of the community. You guys are users too. Discuss things with users, as users. Ask related people, shoot a DM, bring it up at the end of a related VC. Get opinions, gather your own opinions, compare them, and then make the step forward. Not everyone is gonna be happy, and it IS a hard job
but it's the only real way you're going to find that balance. And you're always going to get complaints, sometimes even from unfaithful actors. The only thing you can really do is try to please as many people as you can with the changes. (For example, 5m slowmode suggestion I had for #artist-showcase might be "good" [imo], but it's gonna piss people off. Alternatively, there's a fair amount of people asking for an artist discussion channel, and the fact many people can get behind #artist-showcase being bloated with chat, there's no real harm in re-introducing a discussion channel)

Thank you for listening to my ted-talk.

[indigo vine]

I agree with most of that other than moderating being a hard job

[urban grotto]

if moderating is easy you aint moderating properly

¯_(ツ)_/¯

presidency is an easy occupation too

[indigo vine]

I wouldn't exactly compare being a discord mod to being the president of a country

[urban grotto]

No, but anything can be easy if you don't do it right.

[muted canopy]

you say that I am

[urban grotto]

Espark goes through extensive effort to get stuff done for this server, and it's clear from their confusion as to what the community wants, and the complaints Zoy mentioned about resulting in a feedback loop, and Lelia leaving for not being able to get their voice out (*) that it's hard :P

Maybe it's easier in a server of 400 people

But anything above 1k that tries to be a community for a game and not a person, it's gonna have difficulties with moderating.

[indigo vine]

I think more-so you are saying it's hard to be a people person when there's a lot of people

which I agree with

[urban grotto]

I don't think that's the problem.

[errant fog]

I think

Potato

🥔

[indigo vine]

don't remind me of her 😭

[errant fog]

Mb

[urban grotto]

It's hard to to please everyone with the expectations set on you with the weight of polytopia and midjiwan and a server of 43k people on you

A non-mod has no expectations other than to not go spamming the n-word

and even then im somehow not banned so

A mod (or rather staff as an entity), especially in a server this size, has the expectation to solve world hunger

[errant fog]

I remember when you dropped the n bomb lmao

[indigo vine]

oh sure you will never please everyone, in fact you'll barely ever please anyone

that's why I find a hands off approach with fairly straightforward and simple rules is best for everyone

people will mostly regulate themselves and gravitate to their own communities

[urban grotto]

i would discuss but

1. we're derailing

and

2. i got work tmrw

[indigo vine]

I don't really think it's derailing

[errant fog]

Go to bed

[indigo vine]

it's related to the greater discussion

[urban grotto]

i mean u agreed with everything but this very small point of moderation being hard

[serene star]

Congrats Tanya the Evil. Your recent activity just advanced you to level 62!

[errant fog]

Shut up polaris

[urban grotto]

the difficulty of moderation doesnt really matter to what happens going forward

anyway

[indigo vine]

we were discussing something else after that point though

but alright

[urban grotto]

gn!

[errant fog]

Gn

[lament imp]

I agree with the point that there always going to be complaints.

[barren drum]

everyone voted for no change

[proven vector]

Yeah the people who literally have nt looked at the server since the poll 🌝

[errant fog]

hmmmmm

[red temple]

hmmmmm

[errant fog]

hmmmmm

[zinc night]

i think this rework was fine except the cooldown was way too long

idk make it one minute

[red temple]

lmao people just keep talking

poor lego

[zinc night]

1m would discourage people from talking in the main channel, except for making like small comments instead of straight up discussing

[red temple]

they just keep talking

🤣

[urban igloo]

So much fuss over literally one channel and its rules lol

[errant fog]

nah, threads get laggy

[red temple]

chex is typing

[errant fog]

we used to have an art discussion channel

[red temple]

gonna mute him

[zinc night]

i've never gotten lag from threads ?

[errant fog]

some people do

including myself

[zinc night]

whatever might be causing this 🧐

is it because theres too many threads or is it just being in a thread that's laggy

[urban igloo]

Goofiness

[errant fog]

please post this in #1042822527841476608 if you are concerned. This is not the place to be posting it and shall immediately be removed.

🗿

[bleak mountain]

bruhhhhh

what technically is on topic

is memes on topic?

i highly doubt that 😠

[urban igloo]

Post and find out

[errant fog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeddAaAacAAjVa0.jpg

[urban igloo]

Exactly

[proven vector]

5 seconds would do that

Besides it doesn't address of the lag problem

The simple solution is just a second channel

[red temple]

they should just make anotehr channe linstead of threads

[barren drum]

lag?

[red temple]

gah

[proven vector]

The more threads and forums posts the more the server lags

When creating new threads / forums posts

[barren drum]

does it? lol havent noticed

[proven vector]

Only on the initial creation

[urban igloo]

It will when we have 30 of them

[proven vector]

As people make em it lags

If you get like 60 forumns or threads active and typing people on weaker wifi or mobile data can't create threads

Discord just pings back an error

Or it makes the forumn / thread but like 800 times

[errant fog]

yeah

[proven vector]

Which has happened to me a lot

[errant fog]

and threads add up

quickly

especially when youre getting 10-30 new art posts a day

[proven vector]

As I did say threads were a bandaid solution

[errant fog]

1 thread per post is a lot of threads

[red temple]

do not slander the bandaid

[urban igloo]

Im sure the older ones would get deleted. But eventually someone would complain their thread got deleted or something lol

[proven vector]

Okay but here me out

Just don't use threads

Or forumns

[urban igloo]

Crazy

[proven vector]

Doesn't deleting threads mean more moderation?

The mod team doesn't wanna work lol

Pretty sure they auto archive but even archived threads lag

And god forbid someone messages in all archived threads for a troll

Basically dont

[urban igloo]

Apart from like two

[errant fog]

lol

going back to the graph i see

with mods tho, this graph looks more like a log function

[proven vector]

Listen fucking the threads is like a 7 and

[errant fog]

you can fuck around alot without finding out

[proven vector]

You don't wanna receive the consequences of finding out

It'll be annoying to remove a laggy channel

like "I do stuff but discord won't cooperate so I need to input it 8 times" annoying

[urban igloo]

Don't worry moos, I'll make sure to make a thread for every art piece sent in

[proven vector]

Good

[errant fog]

why dont we just bring back art discussion

[proven vector]

Because they're afraid it'll kill the community

You know like the 5 minute slowmode definitely wouldn't have

[errant fog]

bru how

[wide anvil]

It's almost what happened last time

We tried to get 2 separate channels

[proven vector]

Yeah but this time it'll be different because I said so 🌝 it's not hard to understand

[urban igloo]

art discussion got like 10 messages a day max lol

[wide anvil]

One (discussion) was never used as people were too lazy to change when they started a convo in the main channel (art posts only) even when mods asked to

[barren drum]

ok maybe lag before made sense but this seems like cap, i might be wrong but no way.......

[proven vector]

I don't

I'm not 100% confident in it either

[barren drum]

like im in prob 100z of archived threads, and i don't notice any lag

[proven vector]

But I've been in servers with like 120 archived threads or smth and it was HELL

It didn't work

[wide anvil]

No reason to not give it a try

[proven vector]

Like it was months ago maybe discord did some fix but

I messaged the owner and they were like "oh shit I didn't realise that"

[wide anvil]

People said the same for forums and yet we're at hundreds of posts in #1020073419670298797 and no lag appeared

[proven vector]

Either way .

[proven vector]

I made like 1 forumn post and I had lag- wdym

granted only a small amount

[barren drum]

hmm sounds like discord bug

thats unrelated

or at least inconsistent

[proven vector]

It's really only at high volumes

Ik that much

[bleak mountain]

i don't understand what the problem with the art corner even is

people talk more instead of posting?

[proven vector]

But then again threads are like being made at 6 - 10

A day

It's just a problem

[errant fog]

yes

[bleak mountain]

i have been here for over two years and i still don't know what melcante or whatever is

[proven vector]

Also ALSO

sometimes we wanna refer back to smth but threads just make that a fuckin nightmare

Because you can't reply across threads

But there's seems to be a general art discussion and one for every post

[barren drum]

2nd channel wouldnt help either

[proven vector]

That's true but it wouldn't be decided

If someone posted something in one thread and something came up similar into another thread, I have to message link instead of replying

Which is ugly

If we had one designated channel for discussion it wouldn't happen

[proven vector]

I only bring this up because it's happened.. twice today

Granted I didn't message link I just @'d them

Is it nagging? Yes but it's a minor inconvenience 😤

[barren drum]

i just feel that not much we can do now without more backlash ngl, see what exactly needs improvement with current systme then go off that

and too many threads and replying seem go be only problem rn

which is better than before i think

[proven vector]

Just

New channel

It's the best of all worlds

Maybe put a min slowmode in #artist-showcase or smth

[urban igloo]

Another dead channel, yippee

[proven vector]

And I mean a minute slowmode

[proven vector]

.

Cody

[barren drum]

whats benefit of 1m over 5m? or smthing

[potent axle]

sounds like an issue with the app not discord servers tbh

[errant fog]

we already went over this

[potent axle]

I've never had that issue and uh

[errant fog]

nu'

[barren drum]

i font see why that was su h a big problrm

[urban igloo]

Honestly, why have two channels and having to moderate one to make sure conversations go into a separate channel when you could just moderate the current one and keep off topic stuff from happening

[barren drum]

👀 what i said lol

[proven vector]

It IS only on servers with a lot of threads and forumns

[potent axle]

one of the other servers I'm active in has 512 forum posts

[proven vector]

You can go into like literally any indie game server with forumns

[potent axle]

active

[urban igloo]

🍷

[potent axle]

512 active posts

[errant fog]

why are we so caught up on trying to make #artist-showcase into what #fanart-gallery already is

[proven vector]

I SWEAR it's in every single one

The lag issue

[potent axle]

I've never had an issue with lag and the posts create instantly

[barren drum]

if its not repeatable we cant balme it on specific thing

[proven vector]

some of us aren't using supercomputers

[barren drum]

how bugs work

[errant fog]

i just dont like threads tbh

[bleak mountain]

dude it's just an art channel what the fuck is the huge problem could someone please explain?

[urban igloo]

Im using a 4+ year old phone. No lag yet

[bleak mountain]

why are there thirty peopl ehere

[barren drum]

shit posting

[potent axle]

I'm only on a pixel phone I wouldn't call it a supercomputer

[bleak mountain]

wym by shit posting give an example

[errant fog]

because people cant make up their minds

[proven vector]

I'm experiencing lag and it's an app thing but discord ain't doing shit about it

[urban igloo]

Lemme explain the lore. Please hold

[bleak mountain]

low effort art?

[potent axle]

my laptop might be called one but not my phone

[barren drum]

spamming gufs and burying art

[bleak mountain]

heyyyy lego wassup my dude

[barren drum]

off topic discussion

[bleak mountain]

how you doin

[proven vector]

It could be IOS only I know discords port fucking sucks

[potent axle]

turning off for bed

:P

[barren drum]

that us true too

[bleak mountain]

oh that's great ttyl :)

[wide anvil]

#fanart-gallery is for "popular" art, but there's a lot of good arts that will never reach here, and we want this art to not be flooded in chat but still let some freedom to talk about art things

[barren drum]

discord just sucks in genral nhl lol

[red temple]

why are you here

[potent axle]

yes redish go sleep it's late

[proven vector]

True

it does

[barren drum]

not the concept, the app is weird, past month every change has made my life here worse

[red temple]

oh

[wide anvil]

Until we find better we stay here because even if it sucks it's cool :P

[proven vector]

Yup

[red temple]

yeah

[barren drum]

like wtf i gotta press 2 buttons to done load images now

and i 2 ti get user id

[proven vector]

You what

[barren drum]

and mobed notification tab

[proven vector]

I press one button

[barren drum]

so couldnt find it for like 3 mknths

[red temple]

ugh dont remind me

WAIT NO PUN AGH

[wide anvil]

Did you make recent updates ?

[proven vector]

I'm withholding

I don't WANNA

[barren drum]

thats why then

[wide anvil]

Yeah, lol

[barren drum]

but i value my security over my rage lol

[proven vector]

Idk why they changed it

Awful discord

[errant fog]

e

[wide anvil]

^ same reason

[proven vector]

I don't

[errant fog]

despite all my rage

[barren drum]

[proven vector]

Who's gonna attack me

[barren drum]

oh and message requests

[proven vector]

I literally have nothing on this acc

[barren drum]

utter trash

[proven vector]

true

[wide anvil]

Keep in mind that updates contain a lot of security updates that fix glitches that can be easily exploited once discovered

[barren drum]

still havent found setting to turn it off

[wide anvil]

I always notice them 3 days later lol

[proven vector]

I like message requests tbh

I don't like people talking to me

So I just can ignore them easier now

[barren drum]

literally a normal dm, that u can block, but u notice 3 days late

[wide anvil]

Nice

[proven vector]

it's so useful

[barren drum]

i cannot see hoe its different

lol

[proven vector]

I've denied 2 people this month!

[wide anvil]

Proud of you! Wait no-

[bleak mountain]

you didn't block me right 🥺

[proven vector]

They were annoying okay

[proven vector]

Probs

[errant fog]

yes, because this server needs a hierarchy of art channels based on how good it is

[wide anvil]

But when my dm meant to be open to questions of people it's annoying that people think I ignore them or whatever while I just can't see those requestq

[urban igloo]

So basically, correct me if I'm wrong anyone, but the lore is:

"A long time ago we had two channels, one for discussion about art, and the other for posting art. The art discussion never got used and was deleted. Fast forward today we now have an art Channel that has more off topic conversations than art. So, people wanted a rework. They want either a seprate Channel again, threads and heavy moderation (current solution in progress), or just to leave it as is. Now this is apparently the hardest decision in the world, any option made will result in the casualties of like...10 which is like the entire art corner population. Scary stuff, and the mods wish to avoid that from happening. So here we are ringing our bells like town crier's trying to find a ebic solution. Now it seems all the funni threads are causing lag issues for some, so it seems the threads may not be as epic as we thought. Now by the time im done with this there will probably be more goofy lore added to this 2000+ message thread. I love lore"

[errant fog]

text wall

[bleak mountain]

i'm not reading that

[errant fog]

get muted

[bleak mountain]

brb coffee

[proven vector]

I mean we do

Like

[urban igloo]

Brb coffee

[proven vector]

All the average shit goes in #artist-showcase

[red temple]

"A long time ago we had two channels, one for discussion about art, and the other for posting art. The art discussion never got used and was deleted. Fast forward today we now have an art Channel that has more off topic conversations than art. So, people wanted a rework. They want either a seprate Channel again, threads and heavy moderation (current solution in progress), or just to leave it as is. Now this is apparently the hardest decision in the world, any option made will result in the casualties of like...10 which is like the entire art corner population. Scary stuff, and the mods wish to avoid that from happening. So here we are ringing our bells like town crier's trying to find a ebic solution. Now it seems all the funni threads are causing lag issues for some, so it seems the threads may not be as epic as we thought. Now by the time im done with this there will probably be more goofy lore added to this 2000+ message thread. I love lore"

[errant fog]

"A long time ago we had two channels, one for discussion about art, and the other for posting art. The art discussion never got used and was deleted. Fast forward today we now have an art Channel that has more off topic conversations than art. So, people wanted a rework. They want either a seprate Channel again, threads and heavy moderation (current solution in progress), or just to leave it as is. Now this is apparently the hardest decision in the world, any option made will result in the casualties of like...10 which is like the entire art corner population. Scary stuff, and the mods wish to avoid that from happening. So here we are ringing our bells like town crier's trying to find a ebic solution. Now it seems all the funni threads are causing lag issues for some, so it seems the threads may not be as epic as we thought. Now by the time im done with this there will probably be more goofy lore added to this 2000+ message thread. I love lore"

[proven vector]

And everything else goes into #988123259239276584

[errant fog]

new copypasta just dropped

[wide anvil]

Lore

[urban igloo]

I love you guys

[wide anvil]

Good

Objectively it's pretty accurate on the situation

[proven vector]

#988123259239276584 is literally just a zoo enclosure

it funny

Keep it that way

[red temple]

it's a dead thread

[wide anvil]

We didn't want to change anything about that

[errant fog]

this thread is more active than artists corner will ever be

[proven vector]

Lmao

It's cuz we can complain here

[proven vector]

Good

[errant fog]

Artists going on strike B)

[bleak mountain]

wasn't the art channel somewhere else in the server like in the poly section?

why is there a poly art section in the chillout area

[proven vector]

Nope

Unless the 2020-2021 bastards did smth

[bleak mountain]

i think we should ban the words "poly" "polytopia" "peepee" and "gaami" from chill-out corner

[urban igloo]

What about pwee?

[bleak mountain]

WHAT

[urban igloo]

hehe

[bleak mountain]

but seriously why is it in the chill out corner i feel like it doesn't belong

[red temple]

why peepee

[urban igloo]

Because its not limited to just poly art

[bleak mountain]

but that's what everyone uses it for

we should have two art channels a regular and a poly one

there's even a channel called #other-games

intending that this is not for polytopia

this is not what the original creator wanted

[urban igloo]

Yea, but if we have an art Channel for just poly stuff. Then peeps are gonna ask for a random art Channel.

Then what??? YOU WANT TWO ART DISCUSSION CHANNELS??

[bleak mountain]

yes fuck you

[urban igloo]

I love you

[urban igloo]

Dinner first, we've been over this idiot

[red temple]

you had two already though

[errant fog]

lmao

[bleak mountain]

#other-games actually intended in the name
#dank-polymemes anything other than poly
#artist-showcase AAHHHH IM GOING TO KILL YOU ALL AHHHHH AHHH AHHH RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

[red temple]

hamburgler transformation

chex character develoupment

[junior lodge]

Which is why the main art channel should have a (5 minutes minimum ?) slow mode : people cannot really talk there, which helps not being lazy ; people quickly see that they can't, which helps finding out ; and fewer messages have to be removed by mods.

[errant fog]

Id say 30 seconds

Still allows for talk, but will still derail and offtopic stuff

[urban igloo]

Its almost as if you can edit it whenever you want so if one time doesn't work out you can increase or decrease at your own leisure

But that would be waaay to goofy

Let's keep it permanent at 5 minutes ☺️

[urban igloo]

Thats so off topic, everyone in that screenshot should be muted

[red temple]

I'm not there so fire away

[errant fog]

I was directing peeps to general

[urban igloo]

Nobe, mute

[errant fog]

While lego was deleting everything

[urban igloo]

Mute mute mute mute

[errant fog]

Damn

[urban igloo]

1984

[errant fog]

Oki

[red temple]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[errant fog]

Idc

If the mods are being harsh, it means that theyre doing their job

Hopefully theyre doing it properly tho lol

[urban igloo]

Just delete art corner, problem solved

[proven vector]

TRUE

[errant fog]

Yes

Hear me out

Turn announcements into art corner

[urban grotto]

"I love lore"

xD

funniest shit i've read all day (3:47am)

[indigo vine]

Lol

[errant fog]

I love lore

[urban igloo]

🥂

[proper radish]

Why was I given no credit for this

😠

[wide anvil]

because you left ? just a thought

What did you expected ?

[proper radish]

I expected nothign to ever happen

As I was last told

But Its frustrating not getting credit for something you worked for just becuase you weren’t there anymore

[junior lodge]

[urban igloo]

I cant wait to use this logic for my group presentation. I'm gonna be absent 😎

[proper radish]

Hi grraddokk

[urban grotto]

Credit

What credit do you want?

Your name slapped in the announcement?

what?

[wide anvil]

We actually didn't apply your solution

at all

[proper radish]

You applied the cooldown portion of it

Right?

[proper radish]

“As a complaint of some late members on this server” or something of that type would’ve been fine

[wide anvil]

Only for one day, actually there's no cooldown. And it's not because you mentionned cooldown one time that the whole idea is yours

[urban grotto]

No need for something like that :P

[wide anvil]

The solution you proposed was very different from what we did and want to do still

[proper radish]

Funnily enough I don’t really have a good reply

No good insults or anything to put here

[wide anvil]

I thought you hated vanity role, but asking to credit for a suggestion is precisely vanity

[proper radish]

Vanity role is quite different from credit

Credit is basically a requirement online

Like credit for art, design, idea

Literally anything needs credit or its plagiarizing in some fashion

Vanity roles is just- a nice role

[wide anvil]

You can't plagiarize a suggestion... and as I already said, yours was very different from what we did

[proper radish]

Gtg will be back

[lament imp]

sorry but slow mode is just too much of a common enough concept to own

[proper radish]

Ok im back now

@wide anvil ok, but you tried putting “credit” to “vanity role” which was the point of that topic. I said nothign on plagiarizing suggestions.

@lament imp at least the fact that “artist rework”. Mods wouldn’t of done anything about it if I didn’t complain (until someone else did of course)

[lament imp]

I do agree and credit you that you initiated the conversation

[wide anvil]

Fair for that last point

[wide anvil]

I mean, I see "vanity role" as something to show users that you did a cool achievement (winning a contest, etc...)
Asking to be gave credit for a suggestion that wasn't used anyway is vanity in the way that you want to be cited to show that you had the original idea, if I understood correctly

It's not necessarily bad, but rejoining the server and complaining out of the blue that you got no credit is quite surprising

And if we ever had hope you changed on this point, it has been instantly killed

[proper radish]

It seems to be more active than art from first glance

Other than the surprising idea of atomic being mini-mod

[lone basin]

Yeah for 5 minutes until moos threw a fit

[lone basin]

Actual 10/10 logic

[proper radish]

Ah
Lets say I look once at #artist-showcase and once at #announcements before complaining

[lone basin]

Why is that my problem

I’m just saying your solution was not implemented

And who tf cares if you get credit or not? Why does it matter

(Also you left? What?)

[proper radish]

Its not? Its just that I haven’t actually been here
And I care, obviously