Artist-corner rework

[burnt smelt]

How about

Make it

A

Damn what was it called

FORUMS

[lament imp]

it could work, since they have added a gallery view

[hushed temple]

you're already supposed to do that lol

moderating messages that are not art related

[wide anvil]

Ehh most of people would just get lazy and never opens all threads

[wide anvil]

We don't remove EVERY message

But yeah we probably should be stricter

[burnt smelt]

Sadde

[hushed temple]

do y'all even remove messages?

every time i go there there's a unrelated convo instead of any art related thing

[proven vector]

They don't

I mean maybe one or two every month

They don't moderate it which is a reason why it needs to split

If it's split between a Showcase and a Discussion Channel there'll be no reason to moderate chat

Since off topic things no longer become an issue

And the most mods would have to do is peer into the showcase channel every once it awhile to delete spammers that appear once every 2 weeks

[proven vector]

That would work horribly

A discord server can barely handle 30 forums at one time before being laggy

And I mean forums posts

[proven vector]

The mod team has been saying this for literal months

[wide anvil]

No, there was not as much talk as now months ago

Kinda related with person.exe unban tbh

We already had the same problem before he was banned

[proven vector]

Okay but that doesn't change the fact y'all said you were gonna moderate more then and then y'all didn't

[visual laurel]

Please DM a mod or do a modmail if you see #artist-showcase getting too offtopic

[wide anvil]

Yeah. I have no excuse for that. We just didn't discuss about it together enough, I guess, but we'll bring the subject to the whole team and do something soon (hopefully)

[proven vector]

Mmkay

[proven vector]

Well the whole issue about modmail is it takes like 8 hours to get a response 70% of the time

[visual laurel]

We are discussing this issue more seriously now

[barren drum]

tbf, meaningful responses here occur after 8hrs aswell

[proven vector]

It's an overall problem hmmm that's worse

[barren drum]

no, its just u cant expect an instant and thoughtful response

they dont go together

some discussion beetween multiple ppl have to go in

[wide anvil]

• life + different timezones + others...

[barren drum]

like 8hrs is pretty reasonable as an average if u ask me

[proven vector]

This is relating to stopping discussions in #artist-showcase - it does not need a thoughtful response-

[barren drum]

[wide anvil]

Stopping a convo once in the channel is a thing, preventing it to happen is another

[lone basin]

Just stop it multiple times

[wide anvil]

Stopping it is only something you do after the problem occured. We want it to not occur at all

[proven vector]

Then do the channel split

[barren drum]

creating a channel reuiqres a lot of thought, cant just expect it to happen cause of 1 mod acting by themselves.....

just be patient something will happen soon™️

[proven vector]

I will quote this in February 🌝

[lament imp]

Soon ™️

[barren drum]

soon™️

the servers moto

[wide anvil]

Midjiwan's discord status should be Soon ™️

[urban igloo]

Become 1984, add Slowmode, chill the convos down. 🗿

[barren drum]

i swear since this was bought up ppl have just decided to talk in there

wasnt this bad when this was written

organised attack smh

[urban igloo]

I mean, usally the conversations are originally about whatever art is posted, then it just devolves into other stuff

[proven vector]

Maybe we foresaw the issue and you're just critiquing Swapblockings Psychic Ability for no reason

[barren drum]

well yall where complaining and how it was, not how it will be

and it was fine

still is fine imo, just now i see why ppl would have problems

so its time for me to leave it to those that go ther emore frequently

[urban igloo]

Personally I find it fine how it is

[barren drum]

same lol

but at lesast there is something to compalin about now

whereas before i could see 0 reason for ppl to have problems

search: has:image still existst btw

and just solves all your problems

[urban igloo]

Even when we did have two channels, no one talked in art discussion lol

[barren drum]

honestly i think its gonna be the same problem, but in only one of the channels

so like idk, im not gonna continue is discussions and polls there, cause even when it was decided to do noothing, we literally ignored everything in tat convo and started again lol

so just a waste of time for me to do something

ill stick do bot development :p

[urban igloo]

Lol fair

[proven vector]

Maybe my entire plan was to get everyone to shut the fuck up

Who knows

[barren drum]

slowmode does that......

[urban igloo]

Crazy

[proven vector]

Not as well as a second channel 😈

[barren drum]

and in fact i think thats a better solution than two channels

[proven vector]

Nah

[barren drum]

ppl will go off topic in one of the channels

[proven vector]

Convos would literally just happen anyways

[barren drum]

and youll just be back, slow mode will make it mainly art with some comments every so often

[proven vector]

You would have to set it to like 15 mins

Which no one wants

[barren drum]

which is hwat it sould be

[barren drum]

ppl want to talk, you want ppl not to talk, no way to make every happy

someone has to cave here

[proven vector]

except you because you're simply unbased

[barren drum]

except me what?

[proven vector]

it's called a second channel the way is literally right there

Everyone's happy (except the mods)

[barren drum]

second channel still go off topic, by the way it looks thats prob gonna happen tho

[proven vector]

Second channel can go off topic as long as it doesn't derail any art convo it should be fine right?

[barren drum]

so another #general ?

or #general when no one is talking about art

🤔

[proven vector]

I mean you can yell at them for being off topic if you've had a stressful day or smth

[barren drum]

so you want a #artist-showcase and #artist-showcase -discussion for ppl to go off topic?

or am i misunderstanding

[proven vector]

I'm pretty sure that's what Swapblock proposed yea

[urban igloo]

More dead channels, yaaaaay

[barren drum]

well a channel designed for going off topic is #general ......

[proven vector]

I mean not entirely for off topic shit

[barren drum]

then what sort of stuff?

[proven vector]

It'll probably get used for off topic shit

But that's a moderation team problem not mine

[barren drum]

any changes to #artist-showcase ?

[proven vector]

So idc

[barren drum]

or just keep it same

[proven vector]

Linking to pins

Idk where I explained it I cba to type the 6 lines again

We want a place where shit don't get buried due to activity

[barren drum]

called discord search

so you want slowmode? 👀 only way to solve it ngl

even what u linked suggests slowmode :p

[urban igloo]

Well, the channel description says discuss art. Slowmode allows conversions to keep going but keep them at a steady pace so people don't go off topic

[barren drum]

idk why your against slowmode tho 🤔

[proven vector]

How do you still not understand

Responding like you didn't even read anything about this ever

[barren drum]

i understand, im just pointiing out u where against slowmdoe and proceed to link a suggestion with slowmode

not that its a counterpoint

just funi

[proven vector]

Because slow mode is annoying and dumb

[barren drum]

then how do we limit 1 channel to art only, super heavy moderation?

[proven vector]

what if people wanna like, ask a question

[barren drum]

at that point its slowmode but the stopping of messages is a bit slow

[barren drum]

thatd be for the 2nd channel

[proven vector]

And then I gotta wait a whole ass 13:54 slow mode to run out before I respond

[barren drum]

thats why you suggest 2nd channel no?

[proven vector]

Yes

[barren drum]

then why are you asking me about your system?

[urban igloo]

Why not a minute or 30 second slow mode lol?

[barren drum]

im very confused now lol

[proven vector]

it wouldn't work to kill of chat

[barren drum]

1 channel with slowmode, like 15m to prevent discussion, and a 2nd channeel for discussion

[proven vector]

I've never seen a minute slow mode kill off topic discussion ever

[barren drum]

like slowmode in first one is designed to be annoying

so u go to discussion channel

[proven vector]

If there's a second channel there's no need for slow mode in the first channel

[barren drum]

ppl wont follow it tho 🤔

especially as its a new thing

[proven vector]

Then make a pin 🌝

[lament imp]

@proven vector what are your feelings about using threads? people will still be able to talk normally in threads, but everyone still can see the art

[barren drum]

itd need to be established for quite some time before ppl will stop posting in there

[proven vector]

And smack em

[barren drum]

no one reads that

[proven vector]

Counter question: Do you wanna moderate 26 threads

[barren drum]

anyway why you need to post art more than once every 15m? just bunch projects into 1 post

[proven vector]

sometimes upload limits force people to post in intervals

[barren drum]

discord nitro advertiseesment moment

[proven vector]

Idk maybe you could do like

30 seconds?

[barren drum]

is this something for, a custom bot 👀

ngl i could prob creat something to sort it out pretty quickyl but last thing we need is more bots

[proven vector]

A bot would have to cripple image quality so no

I mean I assume-

[barren drum]

🤔, it links exactly same image as yours

[proven vector]

Unless you're a wizard

[barren drum]

like it nabs the link

and link is where its stored on discords end

[proven vector]

What if I wanna delete it because I made I mistake

[barren drum]

so cant get higher quality than that

[barren drum]

also i didnt mean boat uploads it for u

but thatd also be simple af to add

itd just have advanced logic to decide when to delete things

[proven vector]

You'd mean you'd just add a button-

[barren drum]

like slow mode but detects when file size limit reached or smthing

[proven vector]

Hmmmm

[barren drum]

literally slowmode+

[proven vector]

I mean idk if it's necessary this server is bloated

[barren drum]

lol

[proven vector]

Boosted*

[barren drum]

its not neccessary

oh well that too

[proven vector]

To level 2

[barren drum]

but its also not neccessary so thats why im not gonna make one

and also why even if i did it wouldnt be added

we have 100mb upload limit

which im pretty sure is more than enough

[lament imp]

good counter question
It kinda has become a problem #1020073419670298797 recently.

[proven vector]

I mean yeah

There have been instances where files have been too big tho

A largely unnecessary slow mode would kinda that one scenario

I mean adding a 5 second one might just be enough for people to remember "oh shit yeah there's a discussion channel"

Or maybe make the art showcase thing locked behind a role you have to react to

Like all the other servers 🌝

[urban igloo]

15-30 seconds is pretty average in uge servers

Its pretty funny when they crank it up to 1:40

[proven vector]

We aren't that huge tho

Like maybe if you're Arts and Commissions or smth it's justified

[barren drum]

look at my roles and tell me its not a mess, an ideal solution wouldnt add another role to get

[proven vector]

They have a literal hundred active artists

despite a smaller server lol

[proven vector]

Doesn't sound like a me and the Art Corner problem tho

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Get your server roles in check smh

[barren drum]

by not adding a reaction role lock

which is my point here

might not be a perfect solution

something may have to become worse

[proven vector]

I mean

[barren drum]

we just have to find least bad option

[proven vector]

Join the dark side 😭

[barren drum]

what dark side?

lol

[urban igloo]

I mean, even a 300k member server has a slowmode for their art and it works just fine

[proven vector]

It's note about active community

This server has an active art community of max like 15 people if you really stretch it

Bigger servers that are actually solely based around art have a much bigger problem

[barren drum]

so if i ban all of em problem solved

[proven vector]

Pretty much

[barren drum]

👀

[proven vector]

but then the art channel would be dead

And everyone would blame you

forever

:)

[barren drum]

then ill delete the channel too

no one wants it anyway

[proven vector]

We are causing problems ik

[proven vector]

Doesn't Zoy take from it to get the featured artists or smth

Therefore it's actively hostile against the server

[barren drum]

🤔

art is cringe smh

[proven vector]

Art is great there's boobs

[barren drum]

there was some intresting opinions about art in #kickoo-discussion at one point lol

[barren drum]

boobs are cringer

[proven vector]

Kinda gay Ngl

[barren drum]

maybe

but i prefer my robots over ppl ngl

[urban igloo]

Robots are pretty cool, you have a point red

[barren drum]

^

now imagine when they load chatgpt onto one

[proven vector]

you scare me

[barren drum]

I scare me dw

[visual laurel]

Mods are taking another vote to rework #artist-showcase

[wide anvil]

Mod vote

[grim mortar]

make artist corner general

[lone basin]

Don’t

[lament imp]

how about we remove #artist-showcase then

[lone basin]

Absolutely not

[wide ice]

Do it 😺

[lone basin]

No

Don’t

[hushed temple]

because swapblock's first idea was bad, we want rework but not like he said

[hushed temple]

true

[proven vector]

@indigo vine this is all your fault

You reminded me

We are once again asking for an artist corner rework

Things have got worse

[indigo vine]

no we aren't

burn it down

there is no saving it

[proven vector]

You can't even scroll up to see everything now

It takes genuine minutes

No excuse now

🔫

[indigo vine]

burn it down

[proven vector]

Burn it down pls mods

We'll just use general

[visual laurel]

@junior socket is in charge of this issue now

[proven vector]

Nice

LELIA GET YOUR ASS-

[indigo vine]

😳

[proven vector]

Wait no

[junior socket]

hi

😳

uh

ig this is mine to handle now??? idrk

[proven vector]

@junior socket can we split the channels now it's getting a chore to scroll up

[burnt smelt]

This time I agree

One of the only times I would with Moosolinni

[junior socket]

I dont wanna split the channel tbh

the main problem seems to be

a couple people who just dont ever shutup

so

if we OBLITERATE them

problem sovled

[prisma badge]

Seems like a good idea

[burnt smelt]

Then do it

[proven vector]

Ok but no

Split them >:(

[wheat quest]

we alr eliminated one, two more

maybe three more depending on who we talking bout

[junior socket]

ok

hypothetically

in an extremely rare plane of the multiverse where mods will do more stuff

we add a slowmode temporarily and crack down on conversations clogging the chat

then after it reverts to a normal art sharing state and noone has big convos in there anymore

we remove the slowmode

hows that sound??

bc I really cant see any of the options weve discussed as working out....

[lone basin]

Well, would we create threads to discuss each piece

[junior socket]

💀 idk about that either

[lone basin]

:/

[junior socket]

it just seems like the art channel would kinda die

too many threads most will not read them all

[lone basin]

Prolly not

I mean, look at moos, polytoblerone, ~you, Rann and the persons, and memelord

And me as well

[junior socket]

the channel used to be fine before people had off topic discussions in it

I feel like we could fix that with a little work

and itll be good again

[urban igloo]

Slowmode best option. No bias whatsoever

[proven vector]

If you add slow mode ofc the art channel is gonna die

No one will want to post

When you remove the slow mode it'll either return to its current state or just stay dead

[junior socket]

well idk what to do

every idea discussed has potential to just kill it lmao

💀

[proven vector]

If you split it I promise it won't die 👉👈

[proven vector]

Besides it was the most voted change option

[visual laurel]

A couple years ago it was split. People kept chatting in the main art channel and no one used the second channel

[proven vector]

with slow mode being the most unpopular change option

[proven vector]

Ngl that sounds like a moderation problem and not a channel setup problem

[junior socket]

I feel like the least drastic step to clean up the channel will be fine if we do a good job at it

[visual laurel]

The split plan failed last time we did it. People just continued to talk in artists-corner and art-discussion was dead. That's why I think merely adding the second channel is not a good idea

In order for a change to artists-corner to work, it needs to be more than just adding art-discussion otherwise we are doomed to the failure of the past

[proven vector]

plus that was a couple years ago where there were like 3 artists in polymain

[junior socket]

no there was like

more artists than now

[proven vector]

ik

I was

There

You get the point

[visual laurel]

What? In past years there were dozens of artists

[proven vector]

I was there

[visual laurel]

So was I ,lol

[junior socket]

then why did you say something untrue

[proven vector]

I'm making a point

[junior socket]

a fake one!!!

[proven vector]

There's more activity now

Is

The thing

[visual laurel]

How do you think it would be different now if we split the channel?

[proven vector]

The first split might've worked if it was moderated 👀

Js

[junior socket]

we can make it work rn if we moderate it better

[visual laurel]

I agree. It is a moderation issue. That's my point

Splitting the channel without doing anything else will be doomed

[proven vector]

I'm only recommending the split so much because I've seen a ton of other servers based around games with their channels split

And it works

[junior socket]

the thing is we recently added 400 channels in the form of threads and forums to moderate so.....

and we dont read them

[proven vector]

The mods delete and warn the people who post in the art channel, and everything just uses discussion

[proven vector]

I mean you could let me scream obscenities at violators 👉👈

That would dissuade them

At*

[visual laurel]

We used to have the suggestion channel as strict moderation format with threads to discuss. That worked well and then we switched it to forums

[proven vector]

I can't do it because of rules 😔

[visual laurel]

I like the idea of makeing #artist-showcase be for art only with discussion about the art , or anything else, in threads

[proven vector]

You moderate this thread 🥺

[junior socket]

the art channel worked perfectly fine exactly how it is rn

it just degraded when noone was moderating it

[proven vector]

It is currently not working "fine"

[junior socket]

I think we can clean it up pretty easily if we take our time to just do better

[proven vector]

Yeah okay lemme just get the last 20 messages of a mod team member saying that

[junior socket]

yea well

I actually mean it and I will moderate it

ik we arent the best mod team lmao

we are recruited from server members u cant expect very great results tbh

[proven vector]

This is why I have trust issues with authority

I'm kidding

Mostly

I know

I'm just saying I would freely moderate artists corner 👉👈

Mainly cuz it's the only channel I use

[junior socket]

and youd be horrible 😡

[proven vector]

I would be great 😤

Ngl a lot of chatter started because people realised it wasn't gonna be split, and they want it split, so we just started chatting lol

Or atleast Tanya did

[junior socket]

eehhh

I dont rlly think so

but if thats the case then thats just made my mind up completely against splitting it lmao

you cant just get what you want by breaking rules just to feel right when we do what you want

[proven vector]

The longer you wait the more people are just gonna talk

[junior socket]

which is why I think we can moderate it better and bring it back to how it used to be

[proven vector]

What're gonna do? Ban half the active members in #general and #artist-showcase for talking?

I'm sure that'll look great in the mod logs

[junior socket]

ok so is #artist-showcase for chatting or not then lmao

bc if its not, then yes we will start punishing ppl who talk there about off topic things

[proven vector]

Cave to the will of the people 😤

[junior socket]

you cant get what you want by being petty about it

[proven vector]

Sire we demand change

[junior socket]

we definitely wont split the channel if you chat in it just to get it split -_-

what do u expect

[proven vector]

I mean

It's not like chatter is gonna stop

[junior socket]

it will if we make it stop

[proven vector]

First bit of artist corner moderation 👀

Ngl I don't even care if you moderate the amount in #artist-showcase I just rarely talk there

You can scroll up rn

And see "the problem"

[junior socket]

I saw it

[serene star]

Congrats Lelia ᗜˬᗜ. Your recent activity just advanced you to level 46!

[junior socket]

90% of it is person.exe

he is like

the problem with the server rn

[proven vector]

Just ban him and problem solved ig

[junior socket]

yes

YES

[proven vector]

Can I ping him

[junior socket]

idk can you

[proven vector]

@dense canyon can we ban you

Pretty please

[junior socket]

[barren drum]

if u ban each other then that would work too

[proven vector]

Ban him and I'll laugh

[lone basin]

🤔 u sure

[proven vector]

Yes

[pure oak]

splitting failed the last time because we had no intention to enforce it

[lone basin]

Remind me again what the actual problem w #artist-showcase now is

[proven vector]

You used to be able to see all the artwork posted in a day in like 4 seconds of scrolling up

[lone basin]

Isn’t that what #fanart-gallery does tho

[wide anvil]

Only 1/10 of artworks reach #fanart-gallery

[lone basin]

Yeah that’s called quality artwork

Idk what to think here

[pure oak]

I still don't get why artworks get so many reactions

bruh

thanks for showing that you like it but at the same time not

[lone basin]

It’s like ok

Like I’m fine either way

[proven vector]

It's also limited to poly artwork-

[lone basin]

Ok fair

[wide anvil]

I'm pretty sure I've seen a few non poly artwork there

[proven vector]

It's not meant to be there 👀

It's literally called #fanart-gallery

[lone basin]

Why

[indigo vine]

I miss her

also vote that into #fanart

[lone basin]

no

this is not artists corner

[hushed temple]

just ban everyone that chats there

permanently

[wide anvil]

On my way to ban you for talking here

[proven vector]

On my way to banning redish , pixel and Thomez for talking too much

In #artist-showcase

[barren drum]

😔

smh start trying to art and instantly got haters 🤔

[prisma badge]

ahem what

when do i talk too much

[wide anvil]

When we were talking about blender but that's art so eh

[proven vector]

We all know I can't read

Words = ban

[lone basin]

i hate blender

[barren drum]

why 🤔

[lone basin]

My irremovable grudge against all digital art programs, and the fact that it’s too easy

Not everyone should be able to hop online and make a masterpiece

That’s what makes art special

Half related, that explains my general dislkike for ai art

Do I use it? Yea, but rarely, and I’m never say its “my art”. Mostly I show it off because of how dumb it can be

[proven vector]

Okay so

I'm just

Saying

Digital art is kinda harder to use than pencil and paper

Atleast for me-

There's a reason why I doodle concepts and comm work and write / draw notes in pencil

Have you USED anything but like uh

What do you use @lone basin

There's two art programs that were pretty easy to learn.. the rest... n a h

[lone basin]

Paper

[proven vector]

No I mean

Digitally

[lone basin]

N/a

[proven vector]

As you mentioned here

You've used it

What one did you use

[lone basin]

Oh just some shitty ai art mobile app

[proven vector]

Oh you're talking about AI

Yeah fuck AI art

https://youtu.be/5Viy3Cu3DLk

[lone basin]

^^^^^^^^

[proven vector]

You'll be happy to know uh

AI art

Fucking sucks

I saw a really good video I've now lost where an artist went over

How it sucks

It's good from a glance

[lone basin]

This is my personal favorite

[proven vector]

It's good from a glance

Look at AI art for more than a second it crumbles

[lone basin]

I mean yea it looks pretty

Sometimes

But good lord it just is so crapp

[proven vector]

It's bad

It's never gonna come close

To like

Me

[lone basin]

Lmao I feel that

My proportions may suck, but not quite as much as ai’s

[proven vector]

AI Art has the finalisation skills of a professional but literally every other skill is equal to a 9 year olds

Oh and it's only good at finalising vague detail and anime

[urban igloo]

Animation wants a word with you

[proven vector]

he's talking about AI Art

[urban igloo]

I know, but digital art programs give a lot of implications

[lone basin]

I just

Animation and films are fine ig

[proven vector]

Digital art

Is hard

To make

[urban igloo]

Both digital and physical art hard hard in their own aspects

[proven vector]

Yup

It's just it's own aesthetic

[lone basin]

But god, fuck blender

[proven vector]

Nah blender is a good tool tbh

Can't imagine 3D modelling without it

Blender can make some amazing things there's like some guy on YouTube using it to make anime lol

[lone basin]

I just find it meh

[urban igloo]

Blender takes pretty good time to learn.

[proven vector]

It does

[lone basin]

Meh

[barren drum]

blenders primary purpose isnt to make art in a way for ppl to just look at, its great for that 2, but blender is used in literally anything thats graphics, films, video games and so on :p

also sounds like ur gatekeeping art smh

also there is still a skill gradient so just make bettet art

[lone basin]

“just make better art” yeah

[barren drum]

idk just seems ppl put too much value on who made it, like if an ai made something i prefer looking at the idc

[pure oak]

hi

can someone confirm

that there is a 5 minutes cooldown in #artist-showcase and that you can open threads

[proven vector]

Set it to like 1 min

5 mins is just annoying

[barren drum]

you're annoying

[hushed temple]

bad

actually

good

[hushed temple]

why?

who is gonna post 2 artworks in less than 5 minutes

1m just promotes chatting regardless

yeah actually this won't work

ig there won't be mass chatting but people will still talk

[proven vector]

Me literally

My files are big

Just shorten it

[hushed temple]

wtf

why would you do that though

normally people just post it right after it's finished then go make another

[lone basin]

So there are gonna be threads for each thing correct?

At least something’s being done

[proven vector]

Do you not read

[barren drum]

looked back till 1st of november and guess what this was smallest difference i found was exactly 5minutes

when was the last time you had to post seperately dut to this

like link the message cause i couldnt find one

and i am not gonna look thru like 5 months of messages

[proven vector]

Wait

The smallest is 5 seconds what

[barren drum]

show me

cause i couldnt find it

[proven vector]

discord

What difference

[barren drum]

link the message

[proven vector]

Just set the slowmode to

What message

[barren drum]

wait what 5s are u on about

slowmode?

[proven vector]

Yes

[barren drum]

cause im talking about lookoing thru your messages and not finding a single image that would have been delayed due to this

[proven vector]

No I

Multi-send

I think the max I've either had was around 80 MB

back photographing some college work

[barren drum]

but when

i cant find any

[proven vector]

Idfk

Ages ago

Might of been on my alt too

Since I did shoot it on my iPad

[barren drum]

ok soo like it hasnt been a problem from ages

so why u bringing it up

[proven vector]

I last

It was only 1-2 months ago

so no

Just reduce it by half or smth

5 mins is just annoyingly long

[barren drum]

i looked at till start of november

exactly 2 months ago

[proven vector]

Also no one answered this

[barren drum]

thats the point.....

[barren drum]

i think that was the idea

[proven vector]

That's

Idiotic

[barren drum]

sry wrong reply meant the annoying thing

[proven vector]

Who decided that

[barren drum]

if its not annoying ppl will talk

and more work for us

[proven vector]

Okay

But

[errant fog]

hmmmm

[proven vector]

It's annoying to use

[pure oak]

yes, if you want to comment on a post you open a thread for it

[proven vector]

The longer it is

[pure oak]

you are supposed to be able to do that

[proven vector]

It's anti-consumer smh

[errant fog]

artists corner rework is interesting

[hushed temple]

5 minutes is just right

[proven vector]

just set it to 2:30 or smth

[barren drum]

consumer? wasnt the whole problem ppl talking

[hushed temple]

2 is not good enough

[proven vector]

I mean anti artist

Fuck the people

[pure oak]

you can also open a thread for your own post to add some insight or to make it more convenient for people

[proven vector]

I promise you a slow mode of 2.5 minutes does the exact same thing as a slow mode of 5

[barren drum]

then whats the problem

[proven vector]

I thought it was just the one thread

[pure oak]

so why change it then 🤡

[proven vector]

ALSO

[barren drum]

lmao

[errant fog]

@pure oak Is the artists corner only limited to posting images, or am i still able to upload mp3 files?

[proven vector]

ALSO

Having a thread for discussion

Works

Until you realise this is a community server

[pure oak]

wow I mean you can post music if you could before

[proven vector]

and needs to have some cater-shit to new members

[proven vector]

Well atleast Espark or Zoy cares for it

[hushed temple]

fuck new members

[proven vector]

And the threads are not

[hushed temple]

they're almost always annoying

[proven vector]

New user friendly

[proven vector]

that doesn't mean shit

[barren drum]

well surely having a place to talk but you get punished for talking is worse

[pure oak]

gotta take peoples thread virginity

[barren drum]

so forcing ppl to not talk too much in a place they shouldnt is good

[proven vector]

Plus also

Who can create threads

like perm wise

[hushed temple]

yeah that's a problem if everyone can

people will spam

[errant fog]

true

[proven vector]

I will send a raid here to prove a point smh

[barren drum]

gotta love making a change and them not even liking it smh, question is was it better than before?

or would going back to old sysmte be better

[proven vector]

it's because it's the change no one wanted

[barren drum]

i wanted it

and im an artist now 😎

[proven vector]

I mean Swapblock wanted it

[hushed temple]

yes

[proven vector]

But now he's fucked off

When you act against public opinion what did you think was gonna happen fr

[hushed temple]

aren't you the only one talking though

[barren drum]

public opinion being like yours alone

not very public smh

[proven vector]

I'm not alone

Referring to the poll

[barren drum]

according to the poll no change was the answer?

[pure oak]

everyone
do you have no perm?

[proven vector]

I idk

[pure oak]

well do try

[barren drum]

alos both 3 and 4 (options we did) was more popular than what u want

so like

[pure oak]

lmk if needs fixing

[proven vector]

Im crossing off the people who literally have not used

[barren drum]

poll proves everything apparently

[proven vector]

No the absolute fuck it wasn't

[barren drum]

biased data moment

[proven vector]

what are you on about

Paradoxical is banned

So he's gone

Idk who tf Nil is

[pure oak]

yeah well the poll did not exactly give an obvious answer

[barren drum]

right so your option is best if you just ignore ppl you dont like?

[pure oak]

nil is probably a vote alt

[proven vector]

Literally over half the people who voted haven't even sent a message in #artist-showcase or even checked the server since the poll

[barren drum]

i mean its a public poll they are rarely right

[proven vector]

.

[barren drum]

options 3 and 4 seem to all be active tho

[proven vector]

By multiple voters

And also

[barren drum]

also like i said if there is a poll you cant just remove ppl you dont like

cause biased data moment

[pure oak]

well Moos thank you for the feedback

[proven vector]

I'm gonna ping everyone

Who voted

[hushed temple]

anyways

[pure oak]

I was reluctant at changing things but it's worth a try

[proven vector]

Maybe we should retake the pol

I just realise that

It's so bad

[barren drum]

that is true

[proven vector]

And biased

As redish said

[hushed temple]

we should just wait until everyone gives their feedback

[proven vector]

Yes

@fickle void hurry up

[barren drum]

thats why i am in general opposed to polls ngl

but we trey this system before we try anythign else

[pure oak]

okay how about we retake the poll a couple weeks from now, to see how people accomodated to the change

[proven vector]

I mean ngl that's on Espark

It's awful as it is

Why did y'all settle for 5 minutes

[pure oak]

random

[barren drum]

i kinda like 5m ngl

[proven vector]

Didn't like this exact thread have a discussion it shouldn't be over 3?

Idk I only caught the end of it iirc

3 mins*

It's just annoying to use

It's a bandaid solution literally

It literally only needs to be over 30 seconds

[barren drum]

5m > 30s

[proven vector]

You won't be able to respond within 2 seconds

[proven vector]

You are wrong

[barren drum]

maths is like one thing im good at

smh

[proven vector]

the sheer fact you don't get why 5 minutes isn't the best is baffling

Like do you not get that people need to

Use

The channel

[barren drum]

smh i was merely using the > symbol in the correct mathematical context

like i said i have not seen you post images shorter than 5m apart

[proven vector]

Lower it to like 2.5 I will smack you

[barren drum]

why me 😔

[proven vector]

Ngl I haven't drawn a lot because I've been busy

I used to draw a lot more

Gonna start drawing a lot more now winter break is over

Means a lot more files to upload

if I have to even once send them separate I'm breaking all your windows

[junior lodge]

1 day would be fine

[barren drum]

unless you draw quicker than 5m shouldnt be a proble, also taking a few samples seems like none of your images are more than 1mb

you can do 100 pixtures like that

[proven vector]

Okay but a lot of artists post multiple times per day

[proven vector]

No I mean I draw and then it's a backlog because of lack of signal

[junior lodge]

Post once per day then

[barren drum]

1mb per image from what i saw

[proven vector]

Means I have like 5-10 images

[barren drum]

so 100 images

[hushed temple]

the argument about slowmode i saw actually was talking about 20m, pretty sure you're the only one that actually posts images in intervals of less than 5m

[proven vector]

all saved

[proven vector]

Mine are usually like 7?

5 I think is the average

[barren drum]

then 10 is still fine

[proven vector]

@dense canyon c'mere

Bad change

Awful

[fickle void]

I am here, was I pinged?

[proven vector]

I pinged you

Murb do you think we should take another poll that's less biased

[hushed temple]

pinging the person that actually made the channel shit by chatting a lot doesn't seen that good

[fickle void]

I mean I'm all up for polls

[proven vector]

He posts in more than 5 minute intervals

¯_(ツ)_/¯

or less than

Idk my math symbols

Anyway also

What if you wanna comment?

[pure oak]

t h r e a d

[hushed temple]

you use the thread

[proven vector]

What if you wanna respond smth in #artist-showcase

the thread is bad

[junior lodge]

You don't. That's the point

[proven vector]

You expect someone to make a thread for every post?

[hushed temple]

cope

[pure oak]

think of the channel as a forum but with slowmode

[proven vector]

We have been over why that's s bad idea like 8 times

[hushed temple]

you can still talk there because the mods don't even check it

[proven vector]

guys I'm

[fickle void]

I mean, we can have a collaborative thread and ping people's posts to make comments on them

[proven vector]

Just saying

[pure oak]

go on then

[proven vector]

A server can only handle so many threads and forums

it's gonna start lagging

I mean it's already started to lag

[fickle void]

Oh true

[hushed temple]

i mean

[proven vector]

I made a suggestions post or big report months ago

[pure oak]

#1020073419670298797 has over 200 active threads

[hushed temple]

people don't really comment on all artworks tbh

[proven vector]

And it was a problem then

[junior lodge]

Which is why 5 minutes is actually not enough
With an hour or something, people would truly be forced to use thread for any non-art post.

[proven vector]

Archived threads don't actually count

I think

Or atleast their impact is lessened

I don't think they become void

[pure oak]

well idk it's the number it tells me

[proven vector]

Anyway do y'all REALLY wanna moderate 7 threads

[pure oak]

no

#mods-applications pls

[proven vector]

And

[pure oak]

lol

[proven vector]

So

[pure oak]

we need minions to do the work

[proven vector]

@lament imp they did the thing

They stupid

[hushed temple]

they won't actually moderate

[proven vector]

As you predicted

[hushed temple]

they'll just go there when called

[proven vector]

I can be really petty rn

[hushed temple]

like all channels really except when they wanna chat

[fickle void]

I mean, we solved the overwhelming Melcante talk through one thread, maybe we can have one art discussion thread attached to the main art channel

Rather than a million

[proven vector]

I just realised

The slowmode goes into the threads

[hushed temple]

one single thread where people just post the message link and talk about it would actually be better

[proven vector]

You can't even convo

In threads

Like I mean

You can't comment on two pieces

In a row

[hushed temple]

no they don't

#1060237035153133738

[proven vector]

I spelt your name wrong

Intentional

And no despite the blue arrows you can't

[junior lodge]

You can't create two threads in 5 minutes is that it ?

[proven vector]

Send

[junior lodge]

Big deal ?

[proven vector]

It's ruins the function doesn't it?

[junior lodge]

Not really

[pure oak]

balls

[proven vector]

It's not the biggest deal on the planet especially if the slowmode was 1 min

But you know what it is-

[junior lodge]

Especially if most of the commenting is done in a single thread

[proven vector]

Poorly thought through

[proven vector]

Yeah key word Most

Also how can you claim that with literally no proof

[junior lodge]

Not claiming, suggesting

[pure oak]

imagine your first level up message be deleted

[proven vector]

No you weren't?

Bro stfu

[proven vector]

We can see your last message

This

No

just no

[junior lodge]

You seem to be seething and trying to find reasons to call this change shit, but do you reaaaally think you'll be posting art more than once in 5 minutes ? (proven to be wrong)
Or creating threads in less than 5 minutes (why would you do that ?).

[errant fog]

gyus

[hushed temple]

@pure oak

[proven vector]

What

[hushed temple]

one single thread where people link the specific post would be far better

[proven vector]

it's

Not new member friendly

Which is why we suggested two channels in the first place

For the new members

[junior lodge]

I can agree with that

[hushed temple]

how so?

[proven vector]

New members aren't automatically

In the threads

if they were automatically on the threads of have no objections

But alas

[pure oak]

[fickle void]

True dat

[proven vector]

And you can't even leave a note in #rules because no one reads them

[pure oak]

@hushed temple @fickle void afaik that is the same as making a second channel called art discussion
which we agreed not to do
so now it's forum time

[uncut steeple]

This is my fault isn't it

[hushed temple]

threads have been on discord for a while already, and the channel symbol shows there are threads

[proven vector]

#general or some other channel would be full off people asking why there's a slowmode in #artist-showcase

[hushed temple]

i mean

[proven vector]

Even if threads are right there

[hushed temple]

that's a shit thing on agreeing not to do

tbh

[fickle void]

Hmm is there a "Frontpage" option to greet people before they enter the channel?

[proven vector]

Also

The mod team

Agreed to not make two channels

Everyone else

Wants two channels

Except ISO Bug

Wtf

[pure oak]

I wanted the two channels

[proven vector]

He's the only outlier

[pure oak]

I voted for it in every poll we had

[proven vector]

Bug I'm never forgiving you

[hushed temple]

i never trusted iso

[pure oak]

🤷‍♀️

[proven vector]

I was generalising 👉👈

[hushed temple]

specially after the ancient server issue

smh

[pure oak]

bruh

[errant fog]

I tried to impliment a similar format to the one in artists corner, and my server practically died from then on

[proven vector]

The note I think about it the more I realise this current idea has 0 positive traits that forumns just won't do better lol

Okay maybe the art preview

[errant fog]

point being, trying to isolate the comments to the side makes it feel less friendly and more intimidating (especially to new users

[hushed temple]

ok moos is right

[proven vector]

Also as I said earlier-

Actually just that

He just said what I was gonna say

[hushed temple]

@barren drum

[barren drum]

what?

[hushed temple]

you're wrong

[barren drum]

ok

[pure oak]

lol

poor hampster

[proven vector]

Lmao

[fickle void]

What about something like this? Then through "Mao rules" new artists can be aware of the discussion area

[errant fog]

Mao rules lmao

[fickle void]

Do yal get my logic?

[errant fog]

literally 1984

[pure oak]

yeh it's uh not how uh we intended it to work

[errant fog]

you should remove it

or at the least, hold a vote to see what people think about the change

[indigo vine]

Lol

guys

this entire issue

is so hilarious to me

okay

if this issue is seriously so important and yet so impossible to address let me explain what I think

[errant fog]

alfrik explaining things? impossible

[indigo vine]

Two channels was tried before, didn't work won't work a second time

Threads and slowmode is risky and probably won't work, might even kill the channel

doing nothing is clearly not an option

the mods put Lelia in charge of the problem, she had your solution. But then the rest of the mods suddenly didn't want her to make the call. Well now she left so it doesn't fucking matter lol they chased her away so hard

anyway, her solution, simply moderate the channel better and clear the chatter, proven to work great when done effectively and the mods are willing to do it. Worked in every single channel it was ever tried in, when mods actually put their minds to something simple they can really do it very easily. Plus, the better moderation would still be completely necessary even if you split the channels as well.
But no, the mods don't feel like enhancing their moderation of the channel... instead they want a potentially limitless number of channels to moderate? As well as a slowmode, and no improvement to their active moderation of the otherwise perfectly good channel that just needs improvement.

then we get people admitting they are clogging the channel specifically to force mods to do what they want, which is so counter-intuitive it blows my mind how you ever thought that would work. Now you have a decision nobody wanted.

👏

hurrah for a result that disappoints everyone lol

[pure oak]

🥹

[indigo vine]

Lelia leaving is creating a bigger vacuum than when I left

[errant fog]

this is actually a well thought out answer

[indigo vine]

true

[errant fog]

issue is, who actually is gonna mod that

[indigo vine]

Lelia was

💀

[pure oak]

you are mostly right except you are wrong about the very first thing

[errant fog]

what you could do is appoint someone who can help out in the art channel

like moos

[indigo vine]

absolutely and unequivocally no

[errant fog]

then the mods can go back to doing nothing

[pure oak]

it didn't work last time because we specifically allowed people to talk in the post chat and the discussion channel was for people who chose to talk in a separate channel
and that was bonkers
it would be easy to just do it again and enforce the most basic thing

but nobody listens to me

[indigo vine]

it would 10000% end up the same way anyway

I guarantee it

I would be shocked if it was done differently successfully

[pure oak]

yes people would try, but we would delete it
which we still have to do now

[indigo vine]

very shocked

electrified even

perhaps electrocuted

[pure oak]

people will still talk in the channel and we will still have to enforce it

[indigo vine]

yes so why even bother with two

that's just more moderation

[pure oak]

now we have to bother with infinite

what is your logic

[indigo vine]

simply enhancing existing moderation on one channel is the easiest and most practical solution

but we don't do easy and practical here

[pure oak]

yes I agree with that

we have like 3 mods actually reading the channels and moderating

[indigo vine]

imagine if it was 4

😭

[pure oak]

and ngl I should not be one of them

I have monstrous amount of schoolwork

[indigo vine]

well I gave my thoughts

I still find this sort of funny

[pure oak]

yes thank you

[errant fog]

pls dont dp that

[hushed temple]

lelia left?

[indigo vine]

yes

[pure oak]

this is not what lelia would have wanted 🥺

[indigo vine]

"server bad mods bad"
-posts meme-
-leaves-

[hushed temple]

i want to ping the entire staff team and call them idiots right now

[indigo vine]

[wide anvil]

do it

actually don't because I guess enough of us read it

But I'm curious to know what motivate you to do so

[hushed temple]

y'all made lelia leave 🗿

[pure oak]

as if you don't know? 🤨

[indigo vine]

without fumo our hearts became blackened with grief and negativity

a hole has been created, never to be resealed

yuyu banjo will never be the same

🪕

[errant fog]

least we could do is host a funeral for lelia

[indigo vine]

we will play sad spongebob music and everything

[errant fog]

sounds like a plan

do we have a music bot in the server?

[indigo vine]

I guess I should link back to this before we clog the actual discussion out (ironic)

[pure oak]

my initial statement was that we should try out a change but if it won't work out we change it back

and like

regulate it, which we were supposed to without holding 4 inconclusive polls about it

[hushed temple]

this current change is actually shit though

[indigo vine]

[hushed temple]

we should perma ban everyone that chats there

(just moderate it properly)

(like alfrik said)

[errant fog]

[visual laurel]

Let’s see how this goes for a few days. This isn’t an emergency

[visual laurel]

Want to be a mod again? We will put you to work

[indigo vine]

no

[errant fog]

lol

rejected

[pure oak]

was worth a try lol

[proven vector]

Okay I would but it's not down to the members to do something the mods are too lazy to figure out

[fickle void]

Gotcha 👍

[proven vector]

So they can shove it

[indigo vine]

so what now

a decision has already been made and no one is satisfied

I doubt anything will come from more discussion

but I hope the mods will realize that the simplest solution is probably the best one

and perhaps later they'll do it again better

and perhaps ponder on just why Lelia left

[proven vector]

Just make another channel smh

Solves everyone's problems

[indigo vine]

no

[indigo vine]

I am always correct every single time I speak 🙏🛐

[urban igloo]

"BEHOLD"

The all knowing messiah of moyai's 🙏