Artist-corner rework

[proper radish]

Ok, so I’m pretty sure everyone knows Artist corner and all the pains that happen from it. I been thinking about this for a good while now, and I came up with a way to fix it AND some other features in this server. Lets get started!

1: delete Polyartist role (it will be added back, but we need to get arid of everyone with this role for it to work.)

2: make #artist-showcase unable to be talked in. Practically remove everyone’s ability to talk in it, and add a 24 hour (yes, this will be explained!) cooldown between messages.

3: add back a Polyartist role, except don’t give it to anyone. this role would have perms to talk in #artist-showcase, but would be effected by the cooldown.

4: change #mods-applications to #form-applications, and make a application to get the new Polyartist role

5: add a “#artist discussion” channel without image perms as to prevent people from.. just posting there…

Tada! Now we made a vanity role useful, a channel that was never token seriously #mods-applications useful, and fixed all the problems with art getting lost in #artist-showcase due to people talking there! This can also be used as to enforce Polyartist rules (which would be pinned, ofc, but stuff cough cough Moos that aren’t exactly SFW isn’t allowed, etc) as the role could and should be rooked away from those who disobey them.

and For those who wish to post more than one thing a day, don’t fear! If you include on your form that you wish a thread to be made for your art, the mods (ha.) would make a thread on your first post, and you’ll be able to surpass the Cooldown with the punishment of having others able to talk, and thus hide, your artwork.

I genuinely can not see how a problem could occur with this- as it would suit nearly everyone except those who break the rules of the Polyartist role. It would even make moderation easier, for all I care! Now, I doubt this will be implemented for the sole reason of “Its ok the way it is” (its not in my opinion) but if you want to point out any flaws/want me to explain more on any point just lemme know below in this forum (and ping ofc)

@proven vector , @worn root , @clever mulch

Idk who is the major artists rn

But I would love opinions from those who use that channel

@fickle void @ancient roost I want your opinions as well

[worn root]

@wide ice

[lone basin]

As an artist, maybe

I just don’t see it happening

[fickle void]

Could everyone post in the channel? I'm just thinking about new artists who will want to try it out

[proper radish]

Even new artists can request the role in #mods-applications (as #application-forms)

[visual laurel]

I don’t like the idea of gate keeping the art channel. I think anyone should be able to post and comment there

[proper radish]

(As I said, anyone could ask for the role and be able to post art there)

[visual laurel]

Also, only mods are immune from cool down. It’s not something you can set up channel by channel

[clever mulch]

Dope

[proper radish]

You can’t change thread perm cooldown?

[clever mulch]

Espark did you see my starbound drawing

It was pretty dope ngl

[visual laurel]

Ooh. A Starbound drawing? I missed it

[worn root]

deadcells

[visual laurel]

Awesome

[clever mulch]

Starbound novakid

[visual laurel]

I have to go to work, I’ll be back later

[lone basin]

^ this like bro i want people to see my art and be able to comment wo some demented role

[proper radish]

1: there would be a channel with no cooldown dedicated to commenting, similar to #kickoo-discussion for the contest but permanently like that
2: if wanted you could have a thread where others can talk as well as you can post art

[lone basin]

Yeah, but wouldn’t that mean artists could only post every so often

[proper radish]

Except in there threads, correct. To try to stop the better art from people as say you and Moos getting hidden from a single person posting a bunch of 5 minute pieces

*their

But they could post all the 5 minute pieces they want in their thread

[proper radish]

(As per seen, cooldown is not in effect in threads if you do something with perms)

[proper radish]

Also can the top get pinned rq so that after a argument or two I can still find it easily

[ancient roost]

If people had to fill out a form to get a role to post art, they'd just leave and make a new community server for art that's less of a PITA. Why did you need to ping me for this?

[lone basin]

“After an argument or two” lmao ok

[proper radish]

becuase I would want your opinion on it

[proper radish]

I had this happen before

I know what to expect

[proper radish]

As for this, its not like I’m asking to gatekeep it so only those 15+ levels can post, as in other servers with plenty of artists

[ancient roost]

#mods-applications is useful. If you want to find old art in #artist-showcase , just search for image. At least Moos is respectful. People complain enough about role mismanagement already, you don't need to make it worse. You forgot to ping Tzakones, he's pretty significant.

[proper radish]

Its a singular form thats showing you are actually an artist and agree to the rules and if you want a thread or not

[lone basin]

Part of me agrees, but most of me doesn’t like the whole structure of it

[ancient roost]

Those servers are not Polytopia.

[proper radish]

#mods-applications was confirmed not to have any attention payed to it by mods, you can’t search for a image in particular- only images by a certain person, Moos has been warned in multiple occasions for posting suggestive art which was why I had that section and the only reason why, and for role mismanagement, all this would do would turn a vanity role into something more useful. And whoever he is I don’t remember him, apologies for that

Nor will he show up in pings for whatever reason

[ancient roost]

I feel like the last reasonable chill channel (RIP old suggestions channel) should be kept around.

[proper radish]

There was times when it wasn’t chill and it was more of an art war…

[ancient roost]

Warned, yes. Muted, no. If you think it's bad enough to be worthwhile, either block him or file an official complaint with Modmail.

[proper radish]

Its not lol

I’m afraid I grown insensitive to the art posted there

But this is technically a 13+ community and if the mods wanted they could easily make rules prohibiting NSFW, and if broken, they can again easily just remove the role

I’m going to eat breakfast hit me with anything while I’m gone

[red temple]

I saw a link and was told to yell at someone.

And now I'm here.

[proper radish]

Me

Read and yell at me

[pure oak]

haven't we tried this before

[wide anvil]

1. Not a bad idea. I think too that Polyartist is damn useless.
2. Firstly 24 hours is very long, you have artists that post multiple good arts a day. Making threads for them would considerably decrease visibility as people will not open them.
   Secondly, there's a problem with accessibility. An art channel is supposed to be open to anyone. There's people that come once, post very good arts and never talk again; that would mean those ones will either never post their art and they will be annoyed (and it's sad for us since they had good stuff to share) or post in another channel like #polytopia because they're lost...
3. Kinda explained it in 2.
4. Lol, what are people supposed to say ? "Hello, I make art, please give role" ? I don't see how this could be a good idea. Most artists will just get lazy and leave the community. Also it's not because you're not a mod yet despite your multiples posts in #mods-applications that it is useless. We recruited mods and international mods thanks to that, like Legorooj, redish, Bloop...
5. Probably not a bad idea either but I'm afraid it will but dead af and people will just not chat there

[pure oak]

we had a separate channel for art discussion but braindead little discordians didn't use it

[proper radish]

Lemme reply on a bit ok pixel?

[wide anvil]

I'd like to know who said that lol. As far as I know we read #mods-applications , maybe not all at the minute it was posted but we read them

[wide anvil]

No problem, take your time

[visual laurel]

I don’t like the idea of categories of “better art”

I agree the fanartist role is just a vanity role.

The only time we used the role was taking a vote about the name of the channel

[proper radish]

@wide anvil it wouldn’t send but lemme finish it

“Except add a few more messages.
4: Fr, I can’t explain inactivity away. Sad.”

[proper radish]

Ok, how about “larger pieces of art”
Like full color people instead of a warm up sketch.

[proper radish]

@urban grotto you’re online yell at my about your opinion on this

[urban grotto]

🏓

[proven vector]

This tbh

I think there's new problem with #artist-showcase

[urban grotto]

Okay so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh here's my take since you so kindly asked

1. moos art is godly stop dissing it
   the end

[proven vector]

I think we do need to bring a sorta art discussion channel or thread

[proper radish]

Agreeable

[proven vector]

There's so many posts now where it goes 30-40 messages off topic

Barely even relatable to any art

Mainly cuz of AX

Also sometimes people wanna have a convo about art but then it clogs the channel

And people don't wanna move because then they disrupt whatever the fuck was going on in #general

I think the 24 hour time limit is fine but a 15 or 30 minute one serves the exact same purpose

[proven vector]

Also nah open the art channel to anyone limiting it to only one role is dumb and isn't inviting to new members

[proven vector]

Doesn't really work we've had like 4 art channels at this point there's gaps now 😔

[proper radish]

So, you are saying perhaps just the cooldown and not a role for it?

[urban grotto]

Okay so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fr

1. I disagree with gatekeeping artists. Anyone and everyone should be able to go to #artist-showcase, without "applying" to the mods for validation. Low bar of requirement, literally being art of some sort.

2. I agree completely that #artist-showcase has a problem with messages getting buried. #fanart-gallery is a good place to review art, however art isn't always put there. Which means some good pieces are missed simply because chat was active. Which sucks.

My solution: #artist-showcase for chatting about art. #artist-exhibition, a channel with 5 minutes slowmode. Talking in this channel will result in warns and eventually the inability to type in there. #fanart-gallery stays the way it is, but is moved up.

Yes it means adding another channel. No that isn't a problem if it fixes a genuine issue. No, yeeting mod-applications is not a good idea.

Moos-2 mentioned #artist-showcase being remade into the exhibition channel, and a new channel being made and "renamed" to artists-corner, just for the convenience of being able to search old pieces. Also, starboard is set up in there.

[proven vector]

I would prefer to make artists corner like- the exhibition channel purely for search purposes

[urban grotto]

forgot to mention but it's heavily implied, #artist-exhibition would be for posting art

[urban grotto]

makes sense

[proven vector]

I think if this server was an art server a application maybe in some extreme world be reasonable- but this is a server about Polytopia.. a game

[urban grotto]

even if the application had a 99% entry rate

it's still time to apply, and the feeling of being judged by random people

[proven vector]

I think this is trying to hide something as something it's not,

Why not just ban everyone who speaks in #artist-showcase and is also annoying (but give me immunity ofc)

(This idea is the only one that addresses the issues head on)

[urban grotto]

why doesn't mine address the issues?

[proven vector]

How dare you

[proven vector]

In a way it would just split the problem into two channels instead of one

[proper radish]

I said nothing about yeeting mod apps, only adding another application for it.
For 1, only thing gatekeeping it is the ability to post art and basically agreeing to the rules, while asking.
2; my idea of putting a role and a cooldown on it, with a different channel to talk about art, would solve this.
Your solution; why 5 minutes? Thats still so little larger artwork could get buried beneath quick sketches and WIP. I like the idea of warns/mutes, but the way I had it set up, it would go to warns/loss of role, stopping the ability to type there until you are allowed to apply again. Much more cleaner, and slightly more harsh of an punishment.
As for what Moos said; I can’t really argue with this, but what’s going to stop quick and cheap art from blocking out better art again? Is there a cooldown? And whats going to stop people from talking there as well? (Only questions as you could see)

[proper radish]

DAMN I LIKE THIS IDEA

[proven vector]

Obviously 💅

[proper radish]

😭 I’m sorry

I used to be a moos art hater

[urban grotto]

only thing gatekeeping it is the ability to post art and basically agreeing to the rules, while asking.

well we can just have in channel topic "by disagreeing and breaking these rules we reserve the right to put you on the half of the universe thanos is going to snap"

[proven vector]

I think making another thing for the mods to manage is uh... to put it lightly,, pretty dumb

[urban grotto]

i mean with a slowmode of 5 minutes, that's pretty much nothing.

[proven vector]

I was more referring to a application channel for art idea

[urban grotto]

And, i'm sure we could give reputable artists delete-message perms in that channel. This server's ran by kids/young-adults and it's lax af in who gets perms

yeah. imagine applying then having to wait 3-9 hours just for someone to let you post your art

[proven vector]

I would only use it for evil

[urban grotto]

now we know to blacklist you from ever getting said perms

[proven vector]

No wait -

[proven vector]

It's a joke 😭

Although

[urban grotto]

caught in 4k 👀

[proven vector]

Although

I wouldn't trust a non-mod with channel message perms

I mean I wouldn't really do anything I don't hate anyone here

BUT if I did

Or someone else had beef

it would be bad-

Basically the solution is to give me mod 😎😤🙄💅

[urban grotto]

maybe

[proper radish]

As long as people take it seriously I wouldn’t mind this 😎

[urban grotto]

idk i think trust is a weird topic

[proven vector]

Anyway back on topic we might need to split the art channels in two

[urban grotto]

so we can leave that

[proven vector]

I'm sure the admins trust me...

I think

[proper radish]

According to pixel, they already read #mods-applications , this just gives them having to put a role for whoever posted while continuing reading submissons

Its literally- giving a role

[proper radish]

Photoshop

[proven vector]

photoshop indeed

[proper radish]

Moos would actually be an amazing mod

[urban grotto]

Fun fact: Sketches are more popular on twitter than finished art.

At that point, all images are art, scroll up a bit lol. You know you're not gonna scroll through conversations on whether dog ears are smaller than cat ears when attached to a human being or some shit.

[proven vector]

I have all the qualities of good mod, such as my only quality: the mod team are friends

Smh

ANYWAY back on topic

Applications seems needlessly complicated

I haven't posted suggestive art in 10 days btw Swapblock

js

That's gonna shortly change

But still

[proper radish]

Even with sketches being more popular, it would be disappointing for someone who worked weeks on a single artwork to get no comments on it, while someone who simply posts a dozen WIP takes all the attention from that one bigger post.
Etc.
All images are art in some opinions, but that doesn’t mean someone should be able to post scribbles or gifs there, every 5 minutes. I can’t trust some people not to do that.
And for convos on cat or dog ears, I got #general and #dank-polymemes lol but I get that point

[proper radish]

Ik but the fact you can confirm its been 10 days is…. Sus

[urban grotto]

Good art will get conversration.

If people are looking at the art, good art will get conversations.

[proven vector]

I looked my folder of all art 😤

[urban grotto]

Just because the slowmode is 5m doesnt mean tthere's gonna be a post every 5m

It just means you can post multiple pieces without waiting ages. And threads are messy, nobody looks through threads for art.

[proven vector]

People only like looking at sketches in the 2nd phase

There's ugly sketching that's the first phase

it's also the part that takes the longest time

[fickle void]

I've noticed in other servers with post restrictions being more "dead," and the freedom to post keeps it alive and flourishing. I get the why behind it, but creativity is commonly pounded out by restrictions. If we can manage to have the best of both worlds, I'd be game, but I don't see that happening with this system

[proper radish]

As said from our beloved admin, most discorders aren’t willing to scroll up

[proven vector]

Other servers also only have like 800 members 👀

[urban grotto]

discord usually defaults to "last unread" tho

[proven vector]

^

Most the time

[urban grotto]

if ur fast-scrolling down an art channel, you're not the audience.

like fr

[proven vector]

Unless you're on iOS mobile where it's STILL BUGGED-

[proper radish]

^

[urban grotto]

ios is cringe

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proper radish]

😭

[urban grotto]

shoulda got a better OS L

[proper radish]

Real

Like here I don’t get last unread I get… latest message basically

[proven vector]

Also also, imagine how crushed I would feel if a full drawing that took me like 3-5 hours then got post flooded by someone with the same skill as A-

[proper radish]

Literally what I’m saying, 1-6 hour cooldown at the least would help deter that for the most part

[proven vector]

There's like 4 layers of sketches that go into my art now 😔

Granted they aren't full- but still if someone posted their 15 minutes doodle on MS Paint I would throw a chair

(In a nice way)

(Like softly throw a chair)

[proper radish]

Pov: you are complaining about everything my solution would fix

[proven vector]

It kinda wouldn't

What are the mod team gonna do? Deny people?

They ain't gonna do that the active admins are Espark, Lelia and like probably Liz Aka the most empathetic people here

[proper radish]

I mean, yes? Known troublemakers probably wouldn’t be as likely to you know, be given perms

[proper radish]

This is a point to be explained elsewhere

I don’t want to have to complain about the mod team in an artist corner rework

[proven vector]

"Overthrow the government mod team"

They aren't letting us post hardcore porn GET EM

• Someone probably

The mod team is fine

I think the It’s a solid bunch of trusted people

I still don't know half of their names which probably says something considering I'm like level 51-

[proper radish]

Fr

I have to say the same

[pure oak]

🪬

[proven vector]

Yes you were mentioned now go away

[proper radish]

Tama how popular does this need to eat for the mods to review it

[pure oak]

do mods even really care about server feedback posts since it became a forum

[proper radish]

They don’t

[pure oak]

I know for one I check it a lot less often

[proper radish]

Maybe before it was a forum

But afterwards its kinda a meme

[lone basin]

I think ~you means low effort art, but I def agree with this argument, because the goodness of an artwork is subjective

[pure oak]

although

3 out of 3 mods who saw this said it's not that great

[lone basin]

cries

yes

[proper radish]

@lone basin

[lone basin]

Hm

I like it to an extent

[proper radish]

And all the mods who explained why i answered

And they have yet to respond

[lone basin]

For example, I like to do little Polytopia sketches of vengir, cymanti, yadakk etc and will at some point prolly share one

[pure oak]

I just really don't like how art and artists are treated in this server

in general

it takes a lot more to solve it than this

[lone basin]

Please elaborate

[proper radish]

Mokia agreed 😔

[proven vector]

Ehhhh I like your point but I disagree with good art being subjective

At a POINT it is

but that "point" is no where near the hypothetically requirement needed to post art

Oh as a side note mods can you delete RAYMON's game screenshots currently flooding art k thx

[proper radish]

(^)

[proven vector]

We're looking for basically over the level of a middle schooler

Basically you gotta draw like a 13 year old or over

Most adults/people can do that by default 👍

[proper radish]

[proven vector]

This is my middle finger to a certain someone

[pure oak]

no that is not how it works

[proper radish]

Explain

How is this not how it works in our own idea

Of how it could work.

[proven vector]

The real solution is just making me an absolute arbiter

[proper radish]

I can’t argue still

I’m not even joking

Just having Moos dictate would be better than our current system

[proven vector]

The current system is no system smh

I do think if #artist-showcase stays this active we might need to split normal art vs. Polytopia art again

Before people were against it because of a lack of activity but now we almost have too much

[pure oak]

people who do not practice drawing seriously will not be good at it, regardless of age
at like 11 I was on a level of illustration the majority of people will never reach in their life
and since then, people would argue that I got worse, just because I switched to abstract instead of representational

[proven vector]

What I mean to say is we should allow scribbles 🌝

It's a very you know it when you see it

[pure oak]

it's always about subjectivity, gatekeeping, drawing lines, and narcissism, when it comes to this server
I never post my stuff here because of how opposed I am to this climate

[proven vector]

Setting a bar or a line always has some consequences but I just don't think anyone's gonna fail to clear them except 8 year olds that should not be here

There do be a lil ton of gate-keeping tho

Can't really deny that, people like certain stuff it's a communal problem

[proven vector]

Or dislike too-

[pure oak]

does this really happen?
young/amateurish people spamming images?

[proven vector]

Y e s

Liz you're a admin you should know that-

[pure oak]

I don't see it, vast majority of posts in art channel are pretty good

[proven vector]

Why do you think #988123259239276584 was created

[pure oak]

yeah melcante is banished, thought it was the only case

[proven vector]

There's been a couple

More short lived but there's been imitators

Was annoying , I think someone bullied them out tho

Which I dunno I don't think we should resort to annoying members being bullied out

[pure oak]

mhm

[proven vector]

We are on a recent positive trend

tbf

[pure oak]

ok

[proven vector]

Lot of good stuff coming out

[proven vector]

Which is why I mentioned this

[pure oak]

this thread says the main issue is with people drowning out artworks by discussion

and a call for separate channel to be made

which uh, people without artist role will obviously post things in

[proven vector]

This thread was created because Swap wanted to share his dumb artist application idea

Smh

[proven vector]

I don't remember if we have an artist role

I think we do

[pure oak]

yes

[proven vector]

I mean as one of the sign up ones given by a bot

[pure oak]

nay

[proven vector]

Y'all could do what everyone else does and just use that

Make the role needed to see #fanart-gallery the same to post art

¯_(ツ)_/¯

would be the quick and lazy solution

[pure oak]

swap also says the current fanartist role is nonsense

which yeah it is, was never a particularly good idea

and it is given out inconsistently

but not inconsistently enough to cause protests

[proven vector]

I can change that if you want

[proper radish]

Which is why we instead of making two different channels make a (needing role) art channel and a art discussion channel that anyone could talk in but no image perms as to not confuse people

And cooldowns

I love my bloody cooldowns

[pure oak]

no I don't like the idea of not letting people without the role to post

[proper radish]

no (negative) I don’t (positive) like the idea of not (negative) letting people without (positive) the role to post?

Sorry pls reword

Sounds like you don’t like the idea of not allowing people without the role to post

[pure oak]

no (negative) I don’t (negative) like the idea of not (negative) letting people without (negative) the role to post?

apparently you understood just right

[proper radish]

According to math, if you multiply two negatives you get a positive

Wait damn

We aren’t multiplying

We are adding

Uhhhh

So no
you don’t like the idea of not allowing the people without the role to post. So yes you do like the idea of not allowing the people without the role to post or you don’t like the idea of allowing people with the role to post?

[pure oak]

the thing you are saying

I don't like

I want thing to be done different

[proper radish]

Ok so I think I am following you know

*now

[barren drum]

recently #artist-showcase seems fine to me, then again i have no life so have time to just sit and scroll

like it seems to be at its peak rn with art being posted daily that just blows me away

[lone basin]

Perhaps a good idea imo

[lone basin]

Same. I have many many scrapped drawings I’ll never show, in name of practice or just because they fucking suck

[lone basin]

do not diss melcante

[wide anvil]

She left when artist corner was a total mess and this problem was solved since

[wide anvil]

I don't have time to answer all rn but just about 2a : It's one example of someone who doesn't want to see a specific kind of art for like, 10, 20, 50 people that will never open threads, won't find any art by looking fast and leave the server ? It's not worth it

I think you underestimate the number of people who just look fast into a channel and judge on it if they'll stay in the server or not

[lone basin]

I see both sides here-if a very large portion of people were active within artists corner, then I could see real reason for ~yes’s idea or similar ideas to be implemented, but only a small amount of people actually interact there

[visual laurel]

Yes. Channels comments straying off topic is a never ending issue. It is a concern for lots of channels, not just the art one

Mods get complaints when we ask people to stay on topic and we get complaints for letting the topic stray. It is a fine line to walk

[visual laurel]

We used to have an art discussion channel. It was rarely used and if it was, the discussion wasn't about art.

Adding another channel to talk about art won't help

However, using a forum or threads might help

[urban grotto]

We used to have an art discussion channel. It was rarely used and if it was, the discussion wasn't about art.
Did the main one have slowmode?

or was convo on art just scarce in general

[visual laurel]

I like that we have #fanart-gallery and I think that system is working well.

Howver, I see your point and I agree that lots of really good art can get buried in the chat.

[visual laurel]

I read every post in #1020197891085705286 and try to comment on all

[visual laurel]

The main art channel has never had a slowmode.

Do really think that would be helpful?

I could see a slowmode with threads for discussion of art

[urban grotto]

No what I mean is like.... before when the artist discussion channel was dead, were people talking in #artist-showcase?

[proven vector]

Screw the people saying mods intervene too much this is the most laid back mod team on discord wtf

[proper radish]

I agree more with moos here than Espark

[visual laurel]

I litterally have active people in my DM complaining I tell them to stay on topic too much and that I should let chat have more freedome

[proven vector]

Imma go fight them gimme names

[visual laurel]

I keep DMs confidential. Sorry. You'll just have to take my word for it

[visual laurel]

Yes, even when we had the art discussion channel, people would chat about the art in the main art place

[urban grotto]

Then, a chat with 5m cooldown strictly for images will stop that. Redirect anyone not doing that to #artist-discussion, and if they keep doing that, manual mute from channel.

[proper radish]

or 1 hour cooldown

or 6

[urban grotto]

Before there was no point and it's too much since people just say one thing and bam a convo sprigs.

But like with 5m cooldown you cant really start a convo.

[proper radish]

Nah

I been on the offical MC server before

anything that short just gets talked over (no cap)

I feel like most of these “active people in my DM complaining” are newer here

[proper radish]

Newer people always complain about moderation being harsh

Older think its too lax

[urban grotto]

discord.gg/minecraft

Hmm yes 850k members

[proper radish]

Yeah this place

[urban grotto]

Not really comparable

[proper radish]

real

[visual laurel]

What is the problem you think needs solving?

Too much chatter in #artist-showcase drowning out the art?
Poor quality art?
Something else?

[proven vector]

For the record I do think a slow mode of like 15 minutes would do the same- if it's worth posting in the art channel it will take more than 15 mins to make

@visual laurel rq can you delete RAYMONS game screenshots in #artist-showcase it's annoying me

I think he meant to post it in some contest submission

[urban grotto]

Too much chatter drowning thr art imo

[lone basin]

Can you send what he sent I’m too lazy to scroll

[lone basin]

That’s why fanart gallery exists

[proven vector]

Espark deleted it :D

no

[urban grotto]

Like quality of art is subjective and @pure oak said its gate keeping to actually manage the quality to any degree.

[proper radish]

Two much chatter mostly

[lone basin]

#fanart-gallery

[proper radish]

Its also apparently gatekeeping because people too low to post art can’t ask for the role I suggested

[urban grotto]

Fan art gallery doesnt matter if good pics ain't getting voted.

[visual laurel]

What if we made #artist-showcase how the old suggestion channel used to be? Do you remember that?

Only posts that follow the guidelines were allowed. Anything that did fit was deleted. Threads to discuss each post

[lone basin]

Again, what is “good” is largely subjective

[proper radish]

Damn thats a lot of threads

I’d rather just have one thread per artist-

But thats me

[urban grotto]

Threads to discuss is a bit silly imo. The chat should be able to be lax and intermingled. But it shouldn't obstruct the actual art.

[proper radish]

my solution solves all of this still with threads, two channels, cooldowns and more

[urban grotto]

People should be able to also post in discussion asking for advise, feedback and share without it being a quality they're happy enough to put on display

[proven vector]

That would be ideal but it's complicated towards the new members which is my concern

[urban grotto]

Okay I'd love to discuss but I've got to go since I've got an announcement to write and to sleep early cos work tmrw.

[visual laurel]

So you just want mor strict moderation in #artist-showcase You want posts that aren’t about art removed?

That won’t help with the art visibility

[urban grotto]

I know, that's why a second channel :)

[proven vector]

I think (imo) posts that dont relate to any artwork to be removed

[proper radish]

I was also pitching the idea of making less art per hour as well :\ 1-6 hour cooldown

[visual laurel]

I’m telling you, we had a second channel. No one used it

[proven vector]

Now we have more people 👀

[urban grotto]

Yeah cos they did discuss in the first channel

[proper radish]

So less quicker arts, and more likelihood good art stays up for longer

Ofc good is subjective

But idc atm

[urban grotto]

The fact there were discussions in the first channel prove that the second channel wasnt used because the first was better. If theres a 5m slowmode on the first, and rules against posting things that arent art, people gonna use the second.

Cant really start a convo with 5m slowmode

I've reallygotta go now xD

Bye

[proven vector]

Try me-

[barren drum]

atm there is mote and better art than ive ever seen, no nned to change imo

[proven vector]

that's not the problem-

I mean it kinda is

[visual laurel]

The other thing is that users complain this server has too many channels. It is overwhelming. I don’t want to add more channels that clutter this server up

[proven vector]

Good art =/= a byproduct of how #artist-showcase is

[proper radish]

^

[proven vector]

it's a product of community and the individuals effort

[barren drum]

ppl dont make art cause they want to?

[proven vector]

We don't cause people to make a ton of art

[barren drum]

is it really based of of how a channel is setup?

[proper radish]

💀 servers cap at 500 imo, I don’t think one would kill us, and threads don’t even count either

[proven vector]

They would make it no matter what the channel setup would be like

We do have quite a few channels mmm

[barren drum]

its a place to share art, if u want to see it u will

[proven vector]

You misunderstand

[visual laurel]

I’m willing to make #artist-showcase limited just art and bring back #art-discussion for chatting. A cool down in #artist-showcase would only help a little. The channel would have to be heavily moderated to maintain it

[barren drum]

like maybe cause im active but never been too much fotnme to gp through

[proper radish]

cooldown helps a little if its little, it helps much more if its much pricey to talk

[proven vector]

I'll yell at people using it wrong and I guarantee you the problem will go down 90% 👉👈

[visual laurel]

The art vs chat two channel system will mean more work for mods

[barren drum]

i still dont see the problem lol

[proper radish]

Moos trial mod when

[proven vector]

you'll have to check one extra channel, like the second most used channel by a lot of members too

"A lot of members" aka me

[urban grotto]

I'm a liar 😔.

If you dont want another channel, #974857630306676736 can be replaced. We forget most of the time anyway, and weekly questions can be discussed in #general

[proper radish]

Its like saying we don’t need #dank-polymemes and #general , as people do similar stuff in both and you have to moderate both

[visual laurel]

I would like to do a poll of all the artists. I don’t think the opinion of a vocal few should be the basis for changing the channel

[proven vector]

True

[proper radish]

It really shouldn’t

[proven vector]

We should poll it

[proper radish]

As I don’t think I did more than like half a dozen pieces through y entire time here

[proven vector]

People use them the exact same way sometimes I stg

[proper radish]

Its that I see problem -> I want it fixed

[visual laurel]

What questions should be on the poll?

[urban grotto]

I'd type out questions but I gotta type an announcement so uhh

[radiant hill]

Congrats @urban grotto! Your recent activity just advanced you to level 60!

[urban grotto]

I'll leave that t you

Damn 60

[barren drum]

i just went thru 4 days worth of #artist-showcase stopping at every picture in about 20s, also never had to scroll more then likr 1/4 scroll to get to next,art, where is the problem?

[proven vector]

Idk something along the lines of "streamlining viewing artwork by having a separate viewing channel ,, 👍 or 👎 idea" but like in cooperate words

[barren drum]

like i can get to art quicker than i van process it

[proven vector]

25 😤

[barren drum]

25 what?

[proven vector]

Besides a gallery allows you to scroll through the past artworks even quicker 👀

[proven vector]

Seconds-

It took me 25 seconds

I did it earlier today

[barren drum]

and u looked at every art?

[proven vector]

Y e s

[barren drum]

like its not a problem imo

[proven vector]

You don't use the channel smh

[proper radish]

^

Moos prolly has the biggest say on what happens there ngl

[barren drum]

both of us looked at ary and managed to get thru 4 days in about 30s

[proven vector]

It's not really a matter of scroll speed as it's a matter of convenience

[barren drum]

like its fine as it is, another gallery would make getting art to longer cause u have multiple channels

[proven vector]

If I wanna see art discussion- I go over there, I wanna see artwork 👀👀

It's in a designated channel

[barren drum]

and i dont get to see half done things or wip eith more channels

like its still too dead for 2 channel i reckon

[proven vector]

Art activity had gone up like 500%

We need 2 channels back

I know that's a made up number s h y t

[barren drum]

it wont speed anything up tho

cause scroll would be just as fast

[proven vector]

But it has do you remember how there were only 2 people actively posting back when Poly and normal art had a split

[proper radish]

To prove a point I’ll comment on every piece in the correct channel 😤

[proven vector]

Now it's like 6 or 7

[proper radish]

Every.. single… day…

[proven vector]

And then there's like 5+ more people posting irregularly

• the random strangers that art dump every full moon

It's a lot more activity then when we had 2 art channels before

[proper radish]

And then there is mods who only post once every other month if not less

[barren drum]

so what would be benefit of 2nd channel?

[proven vector]

I was t h e r e

[proven vector]

Cough cough

[proper radish]

Cleaner art searches, kinda like what we do with #kickoo-discussion and #1037050124481855590

[barren drum]

cleaner in what way?

[proven vector]

More channels 👀

That's how

[barren drum]

more channels = less clean tho

[proven vector]

We got designated zones now

[proper radish]

^

[proven vector]

more channels = more clean because we can sort the images from the words

[barren drum]

but clean also doesnt give a benefot other than speed, yet thete isnt enough chat to slow doesnt looking at ary

[proven vector]

I don't think you understand the core issues redish.

[barren drum]

and clean for art users would mean less clean for everyone else

[proper radish]

As seen from my beloved RP community here, they have a heck of channels and its super duper clean. A channel to share art, a channel to to talk about art, a channel for free art giveaways, and a channel for art creation tips/tricks purposes.I think this says otherwise

[barren drum]

yes, i cannot see any issue

[proven vector]

Overall

I think the main thingy is that

[proper radish]

(This server imo has hit the cap on max channels 500)

[barren drum]

this isnt showing the vlean u talking about tho... and obviously art server nerds more art channels

[visual laurel]

Draft poll:

Some artists are concerned there is too much off topic chatter in #artist-showcase and art pieces are getting drowned out

@ Artist please vote for your preferences. You may vote for more than one option

1. Keep #artist-showcase the way it is
2. Change #artist-showcase so only art images can be posted there and make a second #art-discussion channel for chat
3. Change #artist-showcase so only art images can be posted there and make threads to discuss each
4. Add a slow mode to #artist-showcase

[proven vector]

We had two channels before, but not the activity to justify the huge breathing room

Now we have the activity, we should increase breathing room

[visual laurel]

How does my poll look?

[proper radish]

Its a rp server for all I care

[barren drum]

thats not an issue, thats stating ehat was before? i need smthing else to convince me

[proven vector]

5 seems like a weird one to add

It relates to a connected but different issue 5 does

[visual laurel]

yah, 5 is unrelated to the channel stuff and more about the role

[proper radish]

role won’t change anything if we won’t change the perms on it

[proven vector]

In a poll of thats implied to be "pick 1 option" it's uh- not truthful to have multiple issues on there

Just snip it out

[urban grotto]

@visual laurel you may not you many

[proper radish]

That poll feels like its my idea dissected

[barren drum]

i still havent seen a benefit of two, except being more clean, which only advantage is speed(i think) and as i tried, scroll speed isntnlimiting factor of looking at art, coulf someone break done issue into small bits so i actually understand

[visual laurel]

I want to allow people to vote for more than one, sometime people like two options equally

[barren drum]

also breaking things into axioms and folloeing logic from there is only way to convince ppl

[visual laurel]

precisely. I am not convinced we need all the things in your idea

[proven vector]

Yes but when you poll it's almost always implied to be a single vote selection

just by nature

You'd need to clarify

[visual laurel]

That's why I said you may vote for more than one

I edited it

IS that better?

[proven vector]

Hmmm

yes

ty Espark

[urban grotto]

you removed option 5 but i was lowkey happy with it

[proven vector]

it's a different issue it should get its own poll

[urban grotto]

True.

[visual laurel]

oof. I also liked option 5 but Moos didn't

[barren drum]

i cant even participate in discussion withoit knowing issue is anyone gonna help lol

[urban grotto]

Nah moos got a point

[proper radish]

this is true. I’m extreme sometimes

[urban grotto]

anyway

[wide ice]

what this

[urban grotto]

im back at pc and i've got 3m to write an announcement

so imma do that

[visual laurel]

I mean, I can just implement that role criteria. I can give role more consitently to any one who makes it into #fanart-gallery and anyone who gets 1st, 2nd or 3rd in an art contest

[proven vector]

Probably tmrw imma make an annoying thread where I label every unneeded channel

[barren drum]

#artist-showcase

[visual laurel]

Actually, that would be helpful. I have started the discussion with admins about a server reorg and which channels we should archive

[proven vector]

Would work I'm not against option 5 as a rule I just think poll wise it shouldn't be there

granted that's IF I keep my fan Artist role

I made the Quetzali Tribe Month thingy that should be enough 😤

Most of my fannart predates the gallery star thing

[urban grotto]

I like #974857630306676736 but i feel like it's gonna go

[proven vector]

I'm just noting that there's #beta-discussion #replay-discussion #945404968536526848 #999020994343735406 #tribe-skins

That feels like it can be condensed

like... a thread?

[visual laurel]

?poll Does this bot work here "yes" "No" "duh"

[zinc pivot]

Does this bot work here

1️⃣ yes

2️⃣ No

3️⃣ duh

Poll by espark#1612 · Nov 17, 2022, 10:02 PM

[proven vector]

Or like do we really need a voice chat now that VC's have their own channel

#voice-chat *

[visual laurel]

I'm going to make a new post to discuss the issue of channels that can be archived

[proven vector]

Aight

[visual laurel]

#1042923002431537162

Artist-corner rework

[zinc pivot]

Some artists are concerned there is too much off topic chatter in Artists Corner and art pieces are getting drowned out. Please vote for your preference(s) **You may vote for more than one option**

1️⃣ Keep #artist-showcase the way it is

2️⃣ Change #artist-showcase so only art images can be posted there and make a second #art-discussion channel for chat

3️⃣ Change #artist-showcase so only art images can be posted there and make threads to discuss each

4️⃣ Add a slow mode to #artist-showcase

Poll by espark#1612 · Nov 17, 2022, 10:09 PM

[visual laurel]

<@&794681520120004648> please vote for your preferences. You may vote for more than one option

(This poll is just a vibe check to get stakeholder input. Mods will do what they think is best). Poll will close <t:1668895200:R>.

[proper radish]

Oh

So this poll does nothing. Great! Its back to the mod’s hands anyway

[proven vector]

Imma rig it

[proper radish]

… you know this poll means nothing

“Mods will do what they think is best”

[proven vector]

You have little faith,

[burnt smelt]

I like it the way it is

[proper radish]

I have very little faith

[urban grotto]

thats not how this works. it's a poll to get opinions, but sometimes opinions are poorly guided. discord servers aren't democracies xD.
despite that Espark does only want the best for this server.

[proper radish]

Its still a irrelevant poll other than to see what us (democracy!) people want

[proven vector]

Jokes on the poll Democracy is fundamentally flawed

[proper radish]

^

[proven vector]

@idle flower I saw you

[idle flower]

Stalker :(

[proven vector]

You're too obvious, now vote for the correct side 🔫

[lament imp]

541 messages and this thread went under me

[proper radish]

💀

[burnt smelt]

It's only flawed if the people is uneducated

Read more shit, contribute to society‼️‼️

[worn root]

You can’t make me!

[lament imp]

yeah, I feel like we can do more for #artist-showcase

[barren drum]

certified :thinkies: moment

if only i had nitro 😔

[wide anvil]

What did you expect ? Magic ?

You need mods to approve and agree with your ideas

Just find the right arguments, if your idea is good, it shouldn't be a problem

[proven vector]

This basically turned into what me and Tanya talked about anyway

[visual laurel]

Also, @proper radish if you are serious about keeping off topic chatter out of #artist-showcase , you should limit your own posts there

Posting the Perfect 10 rules and leaderboard (and pinging all those skilled players) is not appropriate for #artist-showcase

Does that make sense?

[proper radish]

Look, I know. Apparently you missed the context for such a post (this is not my excuse for doing it, this is why I did it). Someone literally posted their own YT vid on “how to get 27 spt on turn 10” and it was a quick reference to “sure, but people can get 100+”. Yes, Yes I know better (and as also seen, I forgot it pings people, on my screen it was using the ID codes to represent the people), but its not like I’m at fault for the “off-topic chatter” EVERYONE ELSE DID, INCLUDING MCGOON, as after apologizing for pinging, I said not a word. But thinking about it, what I suggested at the top (which was promptly denied and cut into multiple pieces) would’ve solved this problem effectively from stopping me from talking there, stopping people from talking about it in there, etc.

does YT tutorials count as art tho

I don’t know why I typed a full rant

[visual laurel]

I understand that you were commenting in the YT video and you didn’t realize how it would ping those people

I’m pointing out that if you seriously want mods to rework #artist-showcase , be prepared for the type of post you made (and that YT video) to be breaking the rules/guidelines there

[urban grotto]

I'd say, depending on the type of content, a YT video could be art.

[lone basin]

Correct, but 99/100 times it would belong elsewhere

[urban grotto]

Roshambo, Technoblade, and SummoningSalt's video's all possess an aspect of storytelling that I would absolutely count as "Art".

(well, not all of technoblades. mainly thinks like Potato War)

[proper radish]

Yea

[wide anvil]

Gaming belongs to #polytube or #other-games

Except for music video youtube I see no contents that fit with #artist-showcase

Or animation

[urban grotto]

I mean summoningsalt is absolutely storytelling

roshambo sure

but like summoningsalt, that's literature

[proper radish]

Bro watches Roshambo still?

[urban grotto]

why wouldnt i

His content is good XD

he's a natural writer

He knows how to make a good story.

[proper radish]

Yeah lol

[proven vector]

Certainly decisive so far Jesus

Hope this shows people kinda want it, change is always met with opposition

Also for some reason why do people keep posting their Polytopia shit in #artist-showcase

Like get out

[proper radish]

^

[edgy idol]

It was me who made the balance. Simply cuz idc

[proven vector]

Aether why

Pick a side aether

We are a two party system

[visual laurel]

Should only people with the artist role be allowed to vote?

There are some votes in there from people who do not post art

[proper radish]

Ngl anyone should be able to vote for it’s for everyone’s, not only artists, feelings

And not every artist has the role

[pure oak]

^

for example I think maybe art admirer role could have been also pinged

[proven vector]

I mean I think only artists opinion really matter 👀

The others kinda just gotta observe it's the artists who's gotta use this potential new system

[proper radish]

These changes would effect us non artists as well tho
Like the two channel, etc

[proven vector]

They would only have to view it tho

[proper radish]

Minority < majority here sadly

[proven vector]

Not like- use it

[proper radish]

^

[proven vector]

Majority can suck it 😤

[urban grotto]

hmm yes, very wise.

The minority is infact lesser than the majority.

[proper radish]

…

[proven vector]

Math

[wide anvil]

Logic

[wide anvil]

Artists need spectators to be art, so... not really

But it's a huge debate

[proven vector]

Those spectators can be other artists y'know-

But yeah semantics

[wide anvil]

Let's just say we consider everyone opinions invested in #artist-showcase , no matter if they're artists or not

[proven vector]

But shhh secretly you only need to listen to me

[pure oak]

seems like two of the options have approximately equal support, we can't decide based on that

[proper radish]

Pov: it was never gonna be decided based on the poll anyway

[pure oak]

https://tenor.com/view/pee-tuesday-pee-pee-pee-tuesday-rems-gif-16162878

[lone basin]

No, just because there are so many people who aren’t artistically inclined who would care about it

[edgy idol]

Ok, I'm with you 👍

[visual laurel]

Vote seems pretty even

[pure oak]

.

[urban grotto]

Well now it's worth checking who voted on what and whether they frequent discussions and postings in #artist-showcase or not.

For example, i dont really chat in ther so my vote should be discarded (altho i'd like to put stuff in there eventually... ...)

[pure oak]

I didn't vote because I think I shouldn't decide in this

[edgy idol]

I have no idea why I voted 😤

Actually no I do

[pure oak]

ok how about this
the channel stays the same
we really don't need more channels
like really
but
us moderators become more adamant in directing off topic conversation in #general

discussing the art pieces is ok, but I've witnessed it a number of times that artists participate in chatter in the channel too
so what we can do is ask them not to, out of respect for the plurality of people who wanted change

[burnt smelt]

I changed my mind I agree with Moos' idea now

Oh the poll is already closed

Now that I posted an art after so many weeks of not, I can see what's wrong with it

My art got drowned out by a conversation about a phallic shaped helmet

[zinc pivot]

Some artists are concerned there is too much off topic chatter in Artists Corner and art pieces are getting drowned out. Please vote for your preference(s) **You may vote for more than one option**

Keep <#369205530306019328> the way it is

███████░░░░░░░░░░░░░ 36% (10 votes)

Change <#369205530306019328> so only art images can be posted there and make a second <#794682906077036554> channel for chat

██████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ 32% (9 votes)

Change <#369205530306019328> so only art images can be posted there and make threads to discuss each

████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ 21% (6 votes)

Add a slow mode to <#369205530306019328>

██░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ 11% (3 votes)

Poll results • Created at · Nov 17, 2022, 10:09 PM

[pure oak]

the poll didn't change in 4 days

was safe to close I'd say

[proven vector]

Yea

Aside from Ciru and Hedge Knight I don't think anyone who frequents #artist-showcase voted for option 1

Meanwhile me, murb polytoblerone, Unim and paradoxical voted 2

And Swapblock and Ciru voted for 3

And only Swapblock voted for 4

Everyone else who voted haven't been active/if at all in #artist-showcase

[edgy idol]

I procrastinate and overview

Too lazy to speak

[proven vector]

So:

1 had 2 votes
2 had 5 votes
3 had 2 votes
4 had 1 vote

[edgy idol]

makes a lot of sense

[pure oak]

what do you think of this

[edgy idol]

I'm with tama's pov

As long as mods have lesser work = the Better

[barren drum]

wdym by frequent, i look there a few times a day but should i have to do art for it to matter what i think?

[proven vector]

You don't post how tf would I know

[barren drum]

i always complement when im properly blown away

and that bar has been raised a lot past few months

[proven vector]

I just looked at the last 300 or so messages and compared the names I saw

[barren drum]

the quality has gone up so much

[proven vector]

Excluding the people Swapblock pinged when he posted the leader board

[wheat quest]

finally i have internet now what is this and why was i pinged

oh wait i have polyfanartist now? Ok

[proper radish]

Hmm sounds like a wonderful idea but with one major problem, this “is moderators being more adamant in directing off topic conversations” occur in #general and not #artist-showcase , solving nigh-nothing
Also, when was the last time the moderation team did a good job of keeping promises like this? I’m afraid to say they either weren’t fulfilled at all or were rather lackluster.

[pure oak]

uhm erm uhhh ummm uhhh

[proven vector]

Bro Ngl you guys do shit at redirecting in #artist-showcase

I'm sorry

[pure oak]

yeah my fault

[lone basin]

I just don’t like option 2 because we have #fanart-gallery for a reason, and it does its job

But I like option 3 because of the threads thing, and I would really like to that utilized

[proven vector]

No it does not

[lone basin]

Why not

[proven vector]

#fanart-gallery doesn't include non poly related art

And it barely contains any poly art???

So how does it serve the purpose ??

[wide anvil]

When was the last time people actually listened when I told them to chat in #general instead of #artist-showcase ? They either react with "nerd" or something and continue without caring

And then they say moderators don't do their job lol

[worn root]

Nerd

[lament imp]

lmao

[proper radish]

Clearly, the mods aren’t doing their jobs, if no one listens to them

[wide anvil]

Ah yes because I control people's mind ?

I can't force them to switch chats yet

[proper radish]

!Tempmute @proper radish 1h start listening to mods

[radiant hill]

~you, you can't use that.

[lament imp]

do !warn
feels much more scary

[proper radish]

Damn it is

!warn @proper radish start listening to mods

[radiant hill]

~you, you can't use that.

[wide anvil]

And then people will complain about mods muting for nothing and 1984 and smh

[proper radish]

What about this then

[lament imp]

people are going to get upset either way

[wide anvil]

Yeah

And if people cared about warns we wouldn't need to mute

I wish they did but most don't

[worn root]

!mindbend

[radiant hill]

Unim, that command is disabled in this channel.

[worn root]

Aw

[proper radish]

at least y’all know one person who cares about warns (mostly because I’m dumb) (me)

Thing is Im hardly the one to talk about mod procedures like that

Best i know of what made it this way was getting told from mods or some old and prob outdated Modmails/threads

(Fun fact: mods used to have multiple different 11+ page Long arguments of silly mod procedure guidelines at once!)

[wide anvil]

Cool but it's not the topic

[proper radish]

Ik

[wide anvil]

A discussion involves at least 2+ people, so if they don't all listen...

There is less discussions now that back in a certain period, and it's mainly about art posted, so I can't really blame that

[proven vector]

Pixel if you gimme mod I'll show you how to make em listen

[lone basin]

This and the previous statement contradict each other

I see the argument tho

[proven vector]

Bro you don't fucking read

[lone basin]

Double negatives

And the vast majority on #fanart-gallery is poly related

[proven vector]

Bruh

He genuinely didn't read anything

Omfg

I just can't

[lone basin]

they what am I not getting here

If #fanart-gallery doesn’t contain non poly-art, and barely has any poly art, then it would barley have art at all

And I assure you, it does have art

[proven vector]

We wanna split the art channel in two, mainly because it's becoming difficult to view all artworks with the new wave of activity (and the off topic discussions people have)

So after discussion, we decided to copy everyone else and propose a changes:

Make a Art Viewing channel and Art Discussion Channel

It's for all art, #fanart-gallery is for the highly rated Polytopia fannart

Not all of it

[proper radish]

pov: I agree with this suggestion as long as I’m given due credit for my radical ideology

[proven vector]

No.

[proper radish]

But moos- if I didn’t create this thread proposing my perfect idea that mortals cannot comprehend, nothing would’ve ever changed 🥺

[proven vector]

Wasn't it Tanya that suggested making two channels-

[lone basin]

Now this I agree with, I apologize for misunderstanding

[lone basin]

…

[proper radish]

It was part of my idea from the very start

[proper radish]

#5

[proven vector]

Hmmm

[urban grotto]

Skill issue

[wide anvil]

If you say so

[blissful mica]

two channels is a good idea

[lone basin]

Is anything actually going to happen?

[pure oak]

doesn't seem like it

[proper radish]

Im sorry but did anyone expect anything to happen? This forum was made by swapblock after all

[proven vector]

Ngl I'm sending out the hitman as we speak

[magic hedge]

@visual laurel Somehow I got the FanArtist role without wanting it. Can I get that removed?

[proper radish]

Best to ping someone else, as espark is officially on vacation

@lament imp can you help cepheid here?

[magic hedge]

Oh, I just noticed she was online.

[lament imp]

alr

[magic hedge]

thank you

[blissful mica]

can i get the fanartist role lol

i made this

(ignore the green dot on the side i am not going through all those layers again)

[blissful mica]

which was based on this lol

[lament imp]

sure

[blissful mica]

yayy

[visual laurel]

Since the vote was pretty even, we won’t change #artist-showcase for now

If you notice the channel getting filled with off topic posts that significantly distract from the art there, please let a mod know or send a message to @round python

[proper radish]

^

Nothing was going to change despite what I said

As does EVERYTHING I said

[wide anvil]

Scary

[urban grotto]

I mean there was a vote, it was equal, but I wouldnt say your efforts were completely wasted.

Moderators know that enough people are interested in a change, and will monitor the situation closely from now. I'm not gonna act like they're gonna be good at stopping off topic convos, but they've taken note and realise that theres people who would like it another way.

Time is the only factor here now.

Personally the poll being even is an indicator to me that it should be changed tho, lol.

[proven vector]

I would press it more if it was currently an issue but people are behaving atleast for now

[icy grail]

11 votes for status quo and 24 votes for change doesn't seem even to me

FPTP shenanigans

[visual laurel]

It feels like a big change to make to the channel

I still want to look at a server reorg in January. There are many channels that could be archived

We could change #artist-showcase to be strictly for art and bring back #art-discussion for chatting. I just feel like that was tried before and didn't work. Also, it would mean more strict moderation

[visual laurel]

Also, many voters reacted more than once to the "change" options. You cannot sum up all those because they are not distinct votes

[proven vector]

I agree the total users (ignoring people double votes) who want change is 16

more than 10

[visual laurel]

I'm going to start a server re-org discussion with mods. I want to archive inactive channels and consolidate others. Maybe we can figure out a way to optimize #artist-showcase

[edgy idol]

May I be included in the discussion?

[visual laurel]

Want to be a mod again?

[edgy idol]

A.....

Idk tbh

I want to

But I'm busy a lot and can't get online much often

So, not yet

[visual laurel]

No worries. If/when you have time and are interested, let a mod know. We are happy to have you just as you are now too

[edgy idol]

Thanksss

[proven vector]

Hi so I wanna revive because we have even MORE activity now

I think it's about time we split it mods smh

[lone basin]

Yeah

I think something should change

[visual laurel]

Activity is good

As long as people are talking about art and post art, I think it is okay

[proven vector]

Things are getting drowned out

[worn root]

[hushed temple]

Just split it and add a 30m cool down on the posting channel

Ez

[hushed temple]

Like said before ofc

[proper radish]

Literally just a fraction of my idea 😎

[hushed temple]

Yeah it has to be a fraction because the full idea was pretty bad

[visual laurel]

We recently took a vote, both of the artists and of mods. There was not enough support to change #artist-showcase . Maybe we can revisit the issue in a few months

[lone basin]

What about other changes, like archiving certain channels?

Are those going to take place?

[visual laurel]

Yes, mods have a plan for that and it includes replacing Mee6

We want to do all the server updates at the same time

We are waiting on a couple things regarding the bot stuff

[lone basin]

Ok

[proven vector]

I do remind you a lot of the vote opposing the change were people who infrequently / didn't use the channel.

16 unique voters against 10 unique voters is a majority , granted they want it handled in slightly different ways

And then only using people who actively post in the channel it's 7 votes for and 1 votes against

And 1 vote who selected for option 1 and 3

[proven vector]

7 votes for option 2 alone*

There seems to be a big sway in votes with users who actually use the channel 🌝

A good 50 percentage of the voters who voted for no change haven't sent a single message in #artist-showcase since voting 🌝

Meanwhile only 1 person who voted for option 2 has done the same

[junior socket]

well alot of people like to look in the channel and read thru it without posting their own art or discussing it

[visual laurel]

we used to have Art Discussion channel as place to talk about the art, but no one used it. They all talked in #artist-showcase anyway

[junior socket]

Im willing to try it again

but I wouldnt be surprised if it went back to just 1 channel someday

the way it is now tbh already works great

#fanart-gallery also can probly just go

we can have all the artists in the same place

1 post in a week seems.. eh?

idrk

I feel like a slowmode would just make people angry and kill the entire discussion aspect

it also might be difficult for conversation if people are confused as to which art piece theyre talking about, since its in another channel and cant be directly replied to

or it might break the flow of conversation

but that happens anyway

[blissful mica]

wait what's that?

[junior socket]

I think we can give it a try to have 2 channels

but if it was done in the past and didnt do anything good

[blissful mica]

or threads

[junior socket]

idk why try it again

eehhhh

threads seems like too much effort for every individual art piece

its a chill discussion/art channel

[blissful mica]

not every individual

mm

[junior socket]

I mean it is

just look in it

Im on board with 2 channels

worth a shot

but yea it was done before and didnt work so I wouldnt count on it again

and iirc when we make big changes like these to the small subcommunities in the server those communities just die

but yes

worth a shot

a majority of voters did say they wanted to see it changed

I just wanna say I wouldnt be confident that things wont just return to how they are now

which happens alot with changes like these

[visual laurel]

it is a starboard thing where the bot puts art that has at least 10 stars. You need the art admirer role for it. YOu can get the role in #welcome

[visual laurel]

Majority said they wanted to keep things the way they are. See the vote in the pins

It was a close vote though

[blissful mica]

ah ok

[urban grotto]

id trust a minority of airplane pilots more than a majority of airplane passengers, myself.

[proper radish]

The thing is that it isn’t actually a minority of pilots- its a majority which has divided opinions about a new airplane, going against the minority of wealthy billionaires who get to decide how it works

[wide anvil]

Here we go into non sense methaphorical comparaisons

[junior socket]

gwah

guys I think we can give it a try

it was just tried already and didnt work but it wont hurt to try it again

a majority of people wanted change

the vote was split by different options which is kinda not good

I agree that #artist-showcase isnt all artists and we need to consider the opinions of people who just like to view the channel or chat in it

its not anyones personal property

[prisma badge]

🤔

Hi lelia

[junior socket]

it doesnt belong to people who make art

[prisma badge]

Agreed

But people who use the channel should be the ones that get a say

Not the rando that doesn't even look at artworks

[junior socket]

yes

I think its kinda weird that mods voted on it

afaik only a couple of us lurk in there

anyway

I said my part

[urban grotto]

🤔

[urban grotto]

My metaphorical comparison made sense 🙃.
I've got 0 clue what swap's on about, though.

[wide anvil]

I know yours made sense

[barren drum]

it made sense but metaphors dont prove a point lol, they e plain one

and fsr most ppl use metaphors as proof 🤷‍♂️

[proven vector]

It wouldn't be for awhile

[proven vector]

Pixel I'm getting really agitated with how you speak to people js

[proven vector]

I wanna add although there was a lot of people who voted , like half the active people in #artist-showcase did not even know the poll existed

Espark pinged the Fanartist Role, which isn't the best solution but the only alternative was for someone to ping the like 12 people manually

Which I do understand.. but also it skewed the results

Plus we got utter inactives voting for no change then never viewing the server ever again because they got the fan artists role way back and now just don't partake in the server

It kinda links back to a debate a good 6 months back with the Old Community being problematic towards the Newer Community

[proven vector]

although tbf that sorted itself out when the a few of the older members just fucked off

[barren drum]

could of sworn you pinged a bunch of ppl

idk maybe not

[proven vector]

I pinged like 5-

I know 3 of them already have fan artist

I think the only one who didn't was Murb

[wide anvil]

This can go for many years if everyone start to express in shady ways

[proven vector]

No it's more like the way you speak is just really demeaning and almost always negative, repetitive and unnecessary

*on server matters

[wide anvil]

I could say the same for you but I'm not trying to be mean or negative in any way

[proven vector]

Atleast I don't kick people when they're down

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide anvil]

Explain please

[proven vector]

Would rather make this it's own thread

there's a lot

🌝

[proper radish]

#complaints-about-pixel

[proven vector]

Lmao

[proper radish]

Sounds like something I’d put stuff in

[proven vector]

I'm trying to remember the exact month Ember left for the first time

[wide anvil]

I'd be curious to see that

[proven vector]

Can someone remind me

It's around that month iirc

[wide anvil]

He left a lot sooo

[proper radish]

for the first time?

[proven vector]

In 2022

Yea

[proper radish]

Oh as like leaving the mod team

Tha

I can prob get that

[wide anvil]

Feel free to do in mod sucks post, it's related

[proven vector]

iirc Katane also had a uh

Complaint

I might go finally get that

Who knows

something about "bullying" iirc

[wide anvil]

Kahuna ?

[proven vector]

Idk their names I only remember the first letter okay

[wide anvil]

It wasn't really something like that

No I mean the thing about bullying you said

[proven vector]

I mean I doubt it was aimed at him

[wide anvil]

It was a while from now anyway

How is it linked to me or my actions

[proven vector]

You haven't really changed 🌝

If memory serves people had problems back then

[wide anvil]

You weren't even active at that time

And nobody ever complained about me lol

Well until now apparently

[proven vector]

W h a t

I was more active at that time than I am now

[wide anvil]

That's why I'm curious to know what's going on

[wide anvil]

Are we talking about when I became mod or before ?

[proven vector]

Honestly the timeline is kinda blurry but I'm pretty sure both 🌝

But mainly after

[proper radish]

Does this date help this is like a week after promotion

[proven vector]

Yes actually

Seems I was a lil wrong in my memory it was May not June 😭

[wide anvil]

So are you making your thread or not because we're going quite out of subject

[wide anvil]

Ah you were searching when I got mod ? You could have just asked me

[proven vector]

I was actually just looking for a rough timeframe

[barren drum]

how about u learn how discord search works

literally free information

[proven vector]

I'm on Apple mobile

It's buggy as hell

[barren drum]

and it doesnt work?

[proven vector]

It works for like 2 pages

[barren drum]

its the 2nd result

[proven vector]

I wasn't even looking for that too 🌝

So what's your point?

[barren drum]

i thought u where

🤷‍♂️

[proven vector]

Doesn't matter it's fine

[proper radish]

@dense canyon otherwise known as my failure to improve this place

[dense canyon]

what is this

[proper radish]

My artist corner rework, everything important is pinned

[worn root]

Not like anything here matters

[proper radish]

Yea

[proven vector]

So basically I'm saying this again mods we need a split channel shit is getting drowned out

[junior socket]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

idk what we will do

I think its worth a shot but its already been done and didnt work

theres gonna be some changes probly after new years so we might do it then

[proven vector]

Yeah but that was when artist corner had like 4 people

[junior socket]

it had more

tbh when we split channels like this we tend to more often than not kill the community that used it

~~ #advanced-strategy ~~

[proven vector]

Lmao

[junior socket]

idk we will see

but I also really dont think its that bad of an issue

[proven vector]

I think activity would hold im pretty certain

[junior socket]

theres an art gallery where popular posts get sent to

[proven vector]

I'm minorly inconvenienced ! It's the biggest issue right now !

[worn root]

To you it is

[proven vector]

That's exactly what I just said.

[worn root]

Precisely

[barren drum]

i think solution is just heavier moderation, cause only thing that 2 channels solves being able to only see images

which discord search solves perfectly

with this search phrase u see only the images,

[worn root]

Ayyo that’s me!

excitement

[barren drum]

:p

your art is amazing

and u seem to make so much very quickly

[worn root]

I’m very prolific

Yes

[barren drum]

definitely didnt have to search up what that meant

[proven vector]

I would also vouch for this if it had any chance of actually happening

[proven vector]

Yeah but that's for people actively looking no casual / new member is gonna do that

Unim does make stuff pretty quick

[worn root]

Is it just me or has there been even more talking in artist-corner as of late

[wide anvil]

Just scrolled a bit on the channel, I don't think so

There was a long convo yesterday but once they got out of art theme they switched to general

[proven vector]

I agree talk has decreased

posts tho have gone up

I remember the days a few months ago where like 2 artworks were posted a day 😭

[wide anvil]

Because of art contests maybe ? Even though most of them aren't related

[wide anvil]

Yeah there was an off-peak period

[proven vector]

It's when the channels were merged 😔

[wide anvil]

At that time the server was in decrease because of no updated iirc

But now we're back to good activity

Maybe even better than before

[proven vector]

The new members aren't as good tho

😔

Then again iirc a few old members got banned for racism back in the day lmao

[dense canyon]

eggs and birbs is such a derp name

[wide anvil]

did I comment yours

[dense canyon]

no, but that was a good thing

since i like birbs and egs

[proven vector]

Hi I'm once again asking for an artist corner rework

We need it

We will get more aggressive

[visual laurel]

Is #artist-showcase turning into General2?

[proven vector]

Just split it we beg

[visual laurel]

I dont feel strongly about splitting it. The main issue with making #artist-showcase for art only is that it will be more work for moderators. We'll have to come in there an monitor the chat and get all mean an strict for people who post something that's not art