Am I right Up high! ✋
#It appears that mods do indeed stink
small root
white pagoda
Am I right Up high! ✋
I think your opinion is cringe
nimble flare
@small root could you be more specific? What can mods do to stink less?
pure crow
I haven’t smelled any mods myself, but usually showering helps with this kind of problem
tacit cedar
🆗
chilly garnet
🥹
lime stirrup
I haven’t smelled any mods myself, but usually showering helps with this kind of...
damn didnt know, ill try to incorporate a shower into my annual routine
nimble flare
hello
@silver swallow will this do for a general place to complain? I can pin it
Can you type here or is it still closed?
tacit cedar
Lol, I forgot about this thread
silver swallow
Hmmmm
jovial prairie
i say that mods don't stink as much as six months ago fr
tacit cedar
Epic improvement
chilly garnet
only thing that changed is alfrik resign 
tacit cedar
In six months ? I think more happened
silver swallow
That's the only thing that mattered 😔
jovial prairie
ember left 😭
chilly garnet
yeah
tacit cedar
It's been more than 6 months
white pagoda
how many admins do we have left? four?
tacit cedar
Five if you count Zoy in
chilly garnet
yep
silver swallow
I don't 🙄
tacit cedar
If you withdraw admins, there is 9 mods
silver swallow
#1042822527841476608
white pagoda
If you withdraw admins, there is 9 mods
that's more than enough, actually
assuming that at least a third of them are active
tacit cedar
More than a third is I'd say
silver swallow
I've only ever seen like 3 of them
So...
And idk if I would call them "active"
More like active once a week in chat
tacit cedar
Except if you have every channels muted except #artist-showcase it's not possible
For today in 5 minutes I already saw 6 mods talking
And there's probably more
I bet you can't find more than 2 mods who didn't talk in a whole week
silver swallow
Except if you have every channels muted except <#369205530306019328> it's not po...
Ngl
I only use #artist-showcase
And these forums
And like #general exclusively at midnight to 2am
Ain't no mods except like sometimes quiss once a week active at that timeframe
tacit cedar
Assuming you're somewhere in Europe, it's not surprising
tacit cedar
I only use <#369205530306019328>
Yeah, I kinda guessed that
restive frigate
Is there a place I can go to talk to a mod about some stuff?
jovial prairie
dm @manic pond
tacit cedar
^ He right
strange carbon
Smh
stink describes a bad scent. It's not interchangeable with a good scent. I believe you meant "smell".
This is hung hanged all over again
silver swallow
wdym the mods stink tho
strange carbon
No, they smell
Of dandelions and youth
Of butterflies and strawberry ice cream
Of daffodils and grass
Of all the nice things you can dream
Of chocolate and pudding
And perfume and spice
Of a cook's best meal
And other things nice
wait, do butterflies smell?
lime stirrup
I smell of my own sweat after coding for 2 days straight
jovial prairie
lol
silver swallow
~~I smell of my own sweat after coding for 2 days straight~~
Thank you
See they all stink
of sweat
Because they try
strange carbon
I'd say the scent of sweat from elbow-grease is a smell, not a stink.
Stale sweat is what stinks.
silver swallow
Nah I think it smells bad so it stinks
strange carbon
I guess that whether a scent is bad enough to stink or not is subjective.
chrome plaza
*stink* describes a bad scent. It's not interchangeable with a good scent. I bel...
bro youre a dumbass fr
no english content/vocabulary word has a single definition, and not even a single literal definition
scent, stink, and smell have areas aplenty of overlapping jurisdiction
yes, stink carries often with it a negative connotation, but a connotation is by no means a definition
to be prescriptive and pedantic as a vocabularian is smallminded and shameful
silver swallow
Tanya you angered the Grammar Nazi's
chrome plaza
Tanya you angered the Grammar Nazi's
worse than a grammar nazi, tanya is a vocabulary nazi
and even then a poorly informed one
silver swallow
I'm gonna piss you both off: I make up new words
chrome plaza
I'm gonna piss you both off: I make up new words
lovely!
this world's words are of containing multitudes
they remember previous incarnations and context
though stink indeed suggests a negatively charged judgement on the behalf of its speaker- it is merely that- a suggestion
a sea described to be dark as wine is not necessarily that sea travailed by ulysses
a 'stinking' stimulation of the olfactory sense by no means must be considered as unpleasant
to analyze words in their isolation is to kill any life they might contain
chrome plaza
to kill words and compose stodgy poesy from their remains
i must say it sickens me
think you of how no man may go down twice to the same river
how then may any man read twice the same words
strange carbon
worse than a grammar nazi, tanya is a vocabulary nazi
and even then a poorly in...
Okay so I was being pedantic making a joke because of the thread, but no, you're vastly misinformed. While yes, smell stink and scent do overlap when referring to the way we perceive an aroma with our noses, stink doesnt "often carry with it a negative connotation", it always carries a negative connotation.
Stink is objectively a "bad" smell (or action or thing). It cannot refer to a smell one likes.
What isn't objective is whether people think something stinks or not. I can think blue cheese stinks, but someone else can thing it's an aamazing smell. However, "blue cheese stinks" means "blue cheese smells bad", whereas "blue cheese smells/blue cheese has a scent" doesnt necessarily mean such.
I was trying to say "I believe you meant smell" implying that the moderators "do indeed smell" as oppose to "do indeed stink", because stink is objectively bad, whereas smell isn't.
"No English content/vocabulary word has a single definition" okay? Words still mean things. Idc what context you're using, stink doesnt refer to a positive. Especially not in this context.
strange carbon
a sea described to be dark as wine is not necessarily that sea travailed by ulys...
"Stinking" is inherently unpleasant. A "stinking simulation" of the olfactory sense is a really weird sentence to use as an example though. But "Stinking simulation" wouldnt refer to the olfactory sense's perceived result, rather the result of the simulation was "stinking".
Its patently obvious that "stink" in this context meant "perform bad", but the topic went to smells when palanq sent it that way.
I was making a jest while showing my approval and appreciation foe the current mod team.
chrome plaza
"Stinking" is inherently unpleasant. A "stinking simulation" of the olfactory se...
troleador
strange carbon
?
chrome plaza
to take a word in isolation is to misunderstand it
stink can carry a negative connotation
Stink can also carry a neutral connotation
strange carbon
a sea described to be dark as wine is not necessarily that sea travailed by ulys...
Okay, but you cant negate the meaning of the word at all? Pray tell what did you mean by this if not a poor simulation
Stink cannot carry a neutral connotation thats like saying bad doesnt mean bad
Words mean shit
Crazy story
chrome plaza
to purport that stink is not interchangable with a good scent borders on illiteracy
strange carbon
Your example is comparable to saying bad can actually mean good.
Except it's worse, because depending on the speaker, bad can actually mean good.
Due to slang.
Unfortunately the slang of stink meaning good scent, or even good hasnt manifested yet.
chrome plaza
slang in the first place is an absurd concept
stink carrying a negative connotation is a "slang" of stincan
strange carbon
Really? Cos thats only ground you had tooting on mate
What the deuce did you think "It appears that mods do indeed stink" meant?
chrome plaza
Really? Cos thats only ground you had tooting on mate
all words are ""slang""
lime stirrup
strange carbon
With all your english wisdom do tell me
lime stirrup
i,cant,understand hald words here lol
chrome plaza
i'm commentating explicitly on your statement of stink describes a bad scent. It's not interchangeable with a good scent. I believe you meant "smell".
lime stirrup
well i can, just dont expect discord argumenta to use as much vocabulary
strange carbon
Yes, that is true.
Give me a few choice example of stink being used to refer to something pleasant
Like, objectively pleasant.
lime stirrup
ok tbh, ive seen stink used.to amplify a good smell in a book i was reading
icr which one
chrome plaza
i'm well aware the initial poster intended to imply the mods were unpleasant
i disagree entirely with your claim that it is always a bad scent
strange carbon
ok tbh, ive seen stink used.to amplify a good smell in a book i was reading
Intrusive
lime stirrup
but it also worked cause it doesn't mean it
so its like bothxatxsame time
idk
my english is horrid so dont listen to my wonderful insights :p
strange carbon
That's just how english works, you're gonna find choice cases where it works due to other 1qualities of the smell being unpleasant
Like a waft of a love potion or something
The thought of getting intoxicated by such justifies "stink"
Every single dictionary on earth has "Stink" defined as "unpleasant smell" or something along those lines. What next you're gonna tell me stench can be pleasant?
chrome plaza
Give me a few choice example of stink being used to refer to something pleasant
the stinking posies in the morning
the stink of baking bread
the clear stink of a moonlit night
strange carbon
Ahh here we go
lime stirrup
the stinking posies in the morning
the stink of baking bread
the clear stink of ...
ngl that just sounds weird
nice to read an actually pretty decent debate lol, especially after #1053948585420521483
chrome plaza
Every single dictionary on earth has "Stink" defined as "unpleasant smell" or so...
dictionaries are historybooks at best
stench is if anything more easily considered pleasant than stink
lime stirrup
what chatgpt thinks:
It is possible to use the word "stink" to describe a good smell, but it is not common and could be considered unconventional or even humorous. "Stink" is generally used to describe a bad smell, so using it to describe a good smell could be seen as a form of irony or satire. For example, you might say "This perfume smells like a good stink" if you are trying to be funny or sarcastic. However, it would be more common to use a different word, such as "fragrance" or "aroma," to describe a good smell
I did forget irony.
lime stirrup
ngl i think chatgpt got it pretty right
chrome plaza
stink smell scent stench
all four are cognate, and in their most literal definitions entirely synonymous- emit a smell
some of these words have taken on bonus definitions from long-dead metaphors they once participated in, but that does not erase their equally valid other meanings
connotation is an important aspect of style but to conflate it with definition is absurd
lime stirrup
I feel like other meanings have been erased tho, 🤔
idk tho
just stench and stink are used with good smells eith irony or when its overpowering to the point of bring bad
and whrncyou use it for foof itxmakes me think overwise
strange carbon
Idk what posies mean so I'll get that one last.
"Stink of baking bread", this is an opinion. The scent of baking, the aroma of baked, the smell of baking bread is what you would have.
The "stink" means the smell isnt something the like particularly liked. Its used particularly to emphasise that point.
Moonlit night is weird. "Clear stink of a moonlit night", do moonlit nights have a smell? I dont think you can associate it with a "good smell" as it depends on where you are. Also what foes "clear stink" mean?
Searched up posies and this refers to the intrusive smell of the posies. Unless those flowers smell bad?
Like redish said, these are very weird examples. They sound weird, because they're unconventional at best or wrong at worst. I had a hard time interpreting 1 and 3, that's how poor they are.
strange carbon
stink smell scent stench
all four are cognate, and in their most literal definit...
Long dead but ever alive and pleasant in current day English?
chrome plaza
Long dead but ever alive and pleasant in current day English?
present or pleasant?
chrome plaza
a freudian slip?
strange carbon
Idk how it coulda been
strange carbon
Maybe. It's almost instinctive for me to try stuff like that.
Dictionaries are pretty good authorities on what words mean. They're updated regularly, and they do a pretty good job cataloging what words mean. When Hangry became used enough it entered the Oxford Dictionary, so labelling it as a history book is silly. Theres also sites like Urban Dictionary, which while not amazing, does a pretty good job at showing current slang and such, with a live like and dislike counter that anyone can use.
Discrediting dictionaries as history books is ab extremely wild take ngl
chrome plaza
Idk what posies mean so I'll get that one last.
"Stink of baking bread", this i...
"Stink of baking bread", this is an opinion. The scent of baking, the aroma of baked, the smell of baking bread is what you would have.
I really do not see how one's word choice is something that can be corrected, except in case of a near-homophone to a poorly understood word (ie tyrian and tyranny)
Like redish said, these are very weird examples. They sound weird, because they're unconventional at best or wrong at worst. I had a hard time interpreting 1 and 3, that's how poor they are.
on what planet is there a wrong in writing
strange carbon
Oh those arent quotes from a book?
chrome plaza
Dictionaries are pretty good authorities on what words mean. They're updated reg...
a dictionary can tell you what a word has meant in the contexts it has been found in
no two readings of a word are the same, its couching and its reader shape the experience
strange carbon
"On what planet is there a wrong in writing" when you use words incorrectly it's wrong lol.
I cant think of an example now its 6am but I can get you a few later. But if these were original examples, the use of stink in moonlit night is wrong (unless it doesnt refer to a smell?), and the use to describe posies implies the smell was intrusive or bad. (Or again, wrong)
chrome plaza
the best dictionaries are etymological and peel back the layers of metaphor
strange carbon
a dictionary can tell you what a word has meant in the contexts it has been foun...
Gibberish is a real thing you know... just cos someone understands gibberish doesnt make it not "wrong".
chrome plaza
"On what planet is there a wrong in writing" when you use words incorrectly it's...
I'd honestly like to ask you this: what difference should it make were I to quote or compose?
strange carbon
So quoting would mean theres a wider context that I dont know. Ie the baker hates his job, or the flowers remind the smeller of their dead grandmother or something.
In those contexts, stink would make sense.
Whereas if you summon them out of thin air without additional context, they feel weird. Especially that third one, but i feel thats just the meaning going over my head.
strange carbon
the best dictionaries are etymological and peel back the layers of metaphor
Wouldnt that make the dictionary by definition a history book tho 🤔
Also isnt this an etymological fallacy? Stink may have once meant smell (?) but it now means unpleasant smell.
chrome plaza
Wouldnt that make the dictionary by definition a history book tho 🤔
Also isnt t...
All dictionaries are history books, its just a matter of how recent they are
strange carbon
I mean technically
chrome plaza
Etymological dictionaries are to be preferred, as they dig deeper than the surface level
strange carbon
But a 2016 oxford dictionary is gonna a have small differences from 2022 dictionary
chrome plaza
But no dictionary can be truly up to date- language is defined by its users, not its recorders
strange carbon
Language is defined by the people who write and interpret it at the time it was written.
Otherwise gibberish has a meaning and we all just too dumb to understand it.
Which sure someone may have put those random words down with care but ultimately its exactly that, random words.
chrome plaza
In those contexts, stink would make sense.
in all the contexts, stink is the tenor of a metaphor
strange carbon
Isnt stink an opinionated adjective
"The smell of baking bread" doesnt make smell a tenor of a metaphor in the context of the baker hating its job
Stink just works better because it adds to the environment.
chrome plaza
Isnt stink an opinionated adjective
Sentence structure matters when there are sentences
strange carbon
I'm trying to think of cases stink can actually be used to purely describe a pleasant smell and legit the only one I can genuinely think of is some farting fetish
"The stink of baking bread" is the sentence. I dont see how that's a metaphor.
chrome plaza
"The stink of baking bread" is the sentence. I dont see how that's a metaphor.
that is not a sentence
chrome plaza
"The smell of baking bread" doesnt make smell a tenor of a metaphor in the conte...
i mean context of quoting vs context of original composition
strange carbon
But in the context
"Bob the baker hated his job. He hated entering the dingy building every morning. He hated the aching in his muscles as he kneaded the tough dough, the stink of the baking bread as it rose in the oven, the facade of smiles the customers donned. He wanted to be a builder instead."
strange carbon
"Her clothes were the stink of baking bread"
Even here "stink of baking bread" is unpleasant. It implies the clothes are unwashed, or that the narrator doesnt like the smell.
chrome plaza
I'm trying to think of cases stink can actually be used to purely describe a ple...
this is you being prescriptive and pedantic
does stink often carry negative connotation? yes
must it be used along only unpleasant smells? no
strange carbon
See I disagree in the sense that it foesnt have to be used for smells but it has to be used for unpleasantness
Unpleasant show "This show stinks", or something
chrome plaza
when saying that, my intention was not to imply you thought it could only be used for smells
strange carbon
what chatgpt thinks:
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It is possible to use the word "stink" to describe a go...
ChatGPT had a pretty good point on the subject of it being used ironically, but otherwise no.
chrome plaza
when saying that, my intention was not to imply you thought it could only be use...
my meaning was that your opinion was when describing smells with stink those smells must be unpleasant ones
strange carbon
Unpleasant in some way - whether intrusive, repetitive, outright bad - to the perceiver.
The perceivers view on a stink is less than neutral.
If it was neutral or more so, smell, scent and aroma are applicable.
Oh
"He walked into the bar, greeted by the stink of alcohol. Despite not liking it at first, he'd grown to the smell" could work.
Ahh no even then stink is the narrators pov
chrome plaza
Unpleasant in some way - whether intrusive, repetitive, outright bad - to the pe...
perceiver is the speaker or the reader?
chrome plaza
"that pleasant stink of a rainy day"
strange carbon
You smelt a rainy day before?
strange carbon
It's a not amazing smell but its refreshing
It's not nice but it's not awful.
It's a "stink" yet pleasant.
It's an oxymoron that works
chrome plaza
It's an oxymoron that works
it isnt an oxymoron
it could be an oxymoron if stink inherently meant bad
strange carbon
It does 💀
Alr that aside
"Pleasant stink" is because rainy days (at least to me) have a weird smell that isnt all awful. I wouldnt call it a nice smell by any stretch, but it's not entirely unwelcome. It gives the message of refreshment, which is obviously pleasant, but the smell itself isnt exactly good.
chrome plaza
pleasant stink of vanilla extract
pleasant stink of freshly squeezed orange
you may prefer to pull out the thesaurus and replace stink with something else, but its a purely stylistic choice
strange carbon
Are these book quotes or not? Forcing "pleasant stink" we reach the same issue of it being an oxymoron. Doesnt really make sense with freshly squeezed oranges or vanilla extract, but the person smelling them may have some context that makes the smell somehow nostalgic or repetitive.
"Stink" can only refer to intrusive for vanilla extract and fresh squeezed orange both.
Again you can make sentences out of thin air but then it becomes wrong. The stylistic choice is either and oxymoron (which it is, and that's fine) or wrong.
chrome plaza
there's no wrong in writing
dictionary-literal definitions of individual words sometimes help a reader understand what an author means, but far more important is the contextually derived figurative definition
strange carbon
And theres no context with your examples
And even then, there absolutely is a wrong in writing.
chrome plaza
the context is "pleasant" "of {vanilla extract, freshly squeezed orange}"
strange carbon
Then you're using stink wrong 🙃
Idk what to tell you man
You can use a word wrong, its absurd to assume you shant
Oh damn I occupied the word shant wrong
Oh fiddlesticks she played with the number occupied wrong
Oh sucks I used either she or number wrong
O damn I used either wrong
funny enough the word occupied could work there
chrome plaza
A dictionary cannot tell you what someone is trying to convey to you
Dictionaries tell you how influential users of the language have used words, which can be useful on occasion
Context is by far the most important tool
chrome plaza
You can use a word wrong, its absurd to assume you shant
this isn't incorrect
strange carbon
Can and shant
You can its absurd to assume you shall not
Talking of inevitabilities, in this context is wrong
chrome plaza
using can't and shan't conveys different things, but what by you was conveyed was by no means wrong
the main reason this might be incorrect is conjugation
strange carbon
A dictionary cannot tell you what someone is trying to convey to you
Dictionarie...
Context is important, sure but that doesnt let you use words incorrectly without them being incorrect, unless theres some meta reference to said word being used as such.
Thats why "The stink of baking bread" required context to be correct.
Using stink as a stylistic version of smell is wrong.
Unless that smell is somehow less than neutral.
Pleasant stink is an oxymoron
chrome plaza
Context is important, sure but that doesnt let you use words incorrectly without...
what do you mean 'that doesn't let you'
strange carbon
Well technically the stink of baking bread is fine if you make the assumption the reader doesnt like the smell
chrome plaza
language is not a science
strange carbon
what do you mean 'that doesn't let you'
I mean that wrong things are wrong.
You cant do something wrong and it not be wrong, unless theres meta reference to it being wrong for the sake of being wrong.
Like yeah you can be wrong sure
But its wrong
chrome plaza
But its wrong
thats wrong
strange carbon
"He loved the stink of baking bread" (assuming not sarcasm) is wrong.
Well unless he likes it because its unpleasant
Which is weird but I cant rule that out ig
Would require context tho
chrome plaza
has it been spoken? has the meaning been comprehended?
then the author is correct
chrome plaza
Would require context tho
the context is that he loved it
strange carbon
We would need to know what he loved it fr it to not be wrong.
Acc thays not true.
We could also take the narrators pov into account
Although bread isnt typically disliked
Weird case
Either way someone has to find the smell of baking bread unpleasant, else it's wrong.
strange carbon
has it been spoken? has the meaning been comprehended?
then the author is correc...
An author can be wrong. This isnt like painting a picture, there are rules and meanings to every word used. Writing is art becuase there are so many creative things that you can express with it. That doesnt mean that it cant be wrong.
What if the writer barely understands English but doesnt realise that their understanding is shit?
The entire job of a proof reader is to catch wrongs, in spelling punctuation and grammar. The structure of sentences can be wrong. The words used can make no sense in the context used. The type of word may not have enough context to illicit such conclusion.
The reader is just as if not more important than the author.
chrome plaza
any figurative usage is wrong?
because that's what you are saying
if it doesn't make literal sense its "wrong"
strange carbon
Is this a farmyard? Cos I'm feeling like a strawman after that argument
chrome plaza
"pleasant eyes of night"
is this a wrong construction?
how can the night have eyes??? it doesn't have eyes???
strange carbon
Pleasant is what confuses me there
Figurative usage is fine. Stink isnt figurative in the context we are talking. This is a strawman, and I am not going to entertain it.
chrome plaza
Figurative usage is fine. Stink isnt figurative in the context we are talking. T...
your definition of correct speech contains no room for metaphor
merely simile
strange carbon
?????
I literally have no idea what you're talking about at this point. I have no clue where what I said rules out metaphors, because I never said that.
You cant justify using stink wrong by being figurative. "She was a stink" means she was unpleasant :)
Like
Where does this argument even come grom
chrome plaza
stink can't be a tenor for something pleasant
how can anything be a tenor for anything dissimilar to it
chrome plaza
You cant justify using stink wrong by being figurative. "She was a stink" means ...
"she was a stink" is not a figurative usage
strange carbon
It's a metaphor
strange carbon
stink can't be a tenor for something pleasant
how can anything be a tenor for an...
Give an example, because I do not follow.
chrome plaza
It's a metaphor
and my metaphor couched more literally is that 'stink is of baking bread'
if my metaphor is 'wrong' on what grounds is any metaphor 'right'
strange carbon
Stink is not a tenor for baking bread
The stink of baking bread is not a metaphor.
Stink is an adjective.
chrome plaza
what??
any given word can take multiple places in a sentence
here, stink is a noun
chrome plaza
"the stink in the air was of baking bread"
strange carbon
Okay that's not a metaphor either
Jeez you come in here talking about how I shame linguists or whatever the fuck and u cant even get a straight metaphor?
chrome plaza
simile is the valid method by which likening may occur by your definitions
strange carbon
"the stink in the air was of baking bread"
This still makes sense, it means either something went wrong with the bread baking, or the perceivers doesnt like the smell*
Like that's fine
I do not see the issue.
chrome plaza
Okay that's not a metaphor either
what I wrote there was not a metaphor in this instance, because it was intended as an example to demonstrate how stink can be a noun
strange carbon
The stink of baking bread is not a metaphor.
BUT IN THIS CONTEXT ITS AN ADJECTIVE??
????????
I give up
chrome plaza
"stink is of baking bread"? stink is an adjective here?
strange carbon
2h
chrome plaza
how??
strange carbon
Bye
chrome plaza
BUT IN THIS CONTEXT ITS AN ADJECTIVE??
it absolutely is not
chrome plaza
"The stink of baking bread"
in this example you have provided
the- article
stink- noun
of baking bread- prepositional phrase working as an adjective to modify stink (what kind of stink?)
of- preposition
baking- gerund, object of preposition
bread- adjective modifying baking (baking what)
chrome plaza
all your justification has been "this cannot be correct figuratively, literally they are too dislike"
strange carbon
No?
An example of stink being used figuratively is when theres not actually a smell to be unpleasant.
chrome plaza
An author can be wrong. This isnt like painting a picture, there are rules and m...
why isn't writing like painting
genuinely curious
strange carbon
With a painting, all you need is a canvas, something to apply and something to apply with with. You can use ketchup and mayonnaise you can use water colours you can use potatoes you can use your fingers you can use your hair. You can put the colours on delicately or you can splash them on wildly, you can mix your colours and you can match your colours you can do literally whatever you want provided you have a canvas, something to apply and something to apply it with.
Writing isnt the same. You can have tour canvas, you can have your pens, you can have your words, but you must take care in the way you apply them if you want them to be not "incorrect". For it to hold meaning, you've got to construct something you (and people, but less important if you dont value such) can understand. You cant take German and mix it with English then slap a bit of latin there because you felt like it. You cant use past and present tense in a sentence randomly. You cant use the same word several times in a row unless you're writing about a certain animal.
A painting will always speak to someone. Writing wont unless it actually follows the rules.
chrome plaza
A painting will always speak to someone. Writing wont unless it actually follows...
does monet speak to you? pollock?
lime stirrup
how is this still going on lol
ive coded an entire feature in a bot, and yall still arguing smh
chrome plaza
the second half i can directly attest to its falsehood
strange carbon
does monet speak to you? pollock?
No but Monet certainly speaks to some people.
chrome plaza
E E Cummings is a great example
Or even shakespeare
or chaucer
Neither of those last two write by your rules
strange carbon
Can u drop an example? I searched EE Cummings and got https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/49493/i-carry-your-heart-with-mei-carry-it-in
Which seems fine to me
chrome plaza
With a painting, all you need is a canvas, something to apply and something to a...
if what you say here speaks true, noone should feel spoken to by even the most rulefollowing historical writers- their rules were different than our own
chrome plaza
https://allpoetry.com/ygUDuh
this one especially i think is a great example
lime stirrup
i could solve this by turning u both against me instead of eachother lol
chrome plaza
i could solve this by turning u both against me instead of eachother lol
i'd be suprised if you could devise such a position
chrome plaza
lole
lime stirrup
ok tbf im not completely on that stance, but i do find it a waste of time, its boring af for me
no that others wont find it fun
its just i dont like it
chrome plaza
anyway at this point i think i got to the point where tanya has pretty much admitted my initial accusations
lime stirrup
subjectiveness of writing means you are all right smh
thats why maths is better
arguments have actual answers
and u can pull out the i told u so
oh no both typing... gonma get trashed on lol
chrome plaza
subjectiveness of writing means you are all right smh
i mean i said
"you are being prescriptive and pedantic, positions as you have avowed to hold on stink/scent/smell run counter to the beauty of the written word"
we spent way too long struggling over if a particular phrasing was ""wrong"" or not without really bothering to examine each other's rubric
tanya talks about how language must obey certain precepts of style to hold artistic meaning and value
which like
yeah, ok, thats the anti-art position i accused you of holding
lime stirrup
surely definition of a word.is most objective part of english, but that somehow devolves into opinions on writing style 🤔
this is why i hate it lol
chrome plaza
surely definition of a word.is most objective part of english, but that somehow ...
english is wholly nonobjective
lime stirrup
which makes it far too confusing for my smol brain lol
chrome plaza
outside of very VERY specific jargon-circumstances
chrome plaza
outside of very VERY specific jargon-circumstances
one of which unfortunately happens to be linguistics
what'd you think of ygUDuh @strange carbon
strange carbon
I'm tryna find a decipher of it so I can understand what it means. Ultimately I think it's stupid to act like this is something that proves you can take that freedom. I've written a msg explaining why but I dont want to post until i get the meaning.
strange carbon
Cummings has put text on a page and people* have endeavoured to give it a meaning. The reason these two inellgiable pieces of tosh mean anything is because people want them to mean something.
Poem, Or Beauty Hurts isnt that bad. Its written very uniquely to say the least, but at least it's clear to a degree what it's on about.
ygUDuh is E.E cummings literally using shortened words to the point of incomprehensible. People strived to understand what they could mean, and they've probably came to that write conclusion. They act like its revolutionary, and maybe it was, but personally I think its dumb if imma be real with you.
ygUDuh is comparable to text messages sent back when youd have to click a button multiple times to send your message. Because of that, messages were shortened. It wssnt unusual to see msgs frmd lk ths bcz th msg wz stl prtrd wl enf. And that can be understood. But calling that "writing" and not "code" is misleading at best. Its piggybacking off the language for convenience. Nothing wrong with that, but to act like "breaking the rules is hip" over inellgiable tosh like that, or ygUDuh is silly. Infact after searching, it seems the drove of slurred words was written as such so that when read in a New Jersey accent, it sounds like a drunken racist talking to sterilize Asian aliens. Which would mean that its meta wrong, so not wrong are all.
Inellgiable
Autocorrect moment
chrome plaza
Cummings has put text on a page and people* have endeavoured to give it a meanin...
read it out loud
you gotta,
you don't
you understand,
you don't know
you understand them
you gotta get
you understand they're dirty
you gotta get rid of
you don't know nothing
LISTEN bud LISTEN
them
good
am(ericans)
little yellow bast
ards we're going
to CIVILIZE them
strange carbon
Civilize worms too
(Also reading allowed doesnt work in a British accent apparently)
lime stirrup
read it out loud
you gotta,
you don't
you understand,
you don't know
you un...
somehow knowing what all words meant made it a worse read 🤔
chrome plaza
somehow knowing what all words meant made it a worse read 🤔
it takes it out of the context
strange carbon
I've got to emphasise for first paragraph that I dont think Cummings had no meaning behind it, but that because readers cared to put effort into understanding it, it works.
chrome plaza
I've got to emphasise for first paragraph that I dont think Cummings had no mean...
i guess it is not the best example for a brit
strange carbon
The average person posting something like that would get overwritten for gibberish.
And even then this still doesnt apply to using words wrong. This is just taking the pronunciation, making it meta-wrong to illustrate a point
chrome plaza
The average person posting something like that would get overwritten for gibberi...
it is still breaking your rules though?
strange carbon
Its meta-breaking.
chrome plaza
chrome plaza
With a painting, all you need is a canvas, something to apply and something to a...
so whats a pollock then
whats a monet
whats a multimedia art
strange carbon
What's wrong with pollock and monet
chrome plaza
whats a franglais poem
chrome plaza
What's wrong with pollock and monet
they broke those rules of painting directly analogous to the rules you suggest makes writing special
strange carbon
?
chrome plaza
Which I did cover :)
No, you didn't
strange carbon
Painting has no rules.
strange carbon
You cant do something wrong and it not be wrong, unless theres meta reference to...
.
chrome plaza
With a painting, all you need is a canvas, something to apply and something to a...
special compared to other areas of art
"A painting will always speak to someone. Writing wont unless it actually follows the rules."
lime stirrup
python the poem 👀
chrome plaza
You cant do something wrong and it not be wrong, unless theres meta reference to...
you can make a case for anything "wrong" to be """meta""" wrong
strange carbon
"Speaks to someone" in the sense of art means to make them feel specific emotion.
chrome plaza
tell me about shakespeare
does he speak to you?
in his failure to conform to the rules of your modern english?
strange carbon
To me? No. But Merchant of Venice speaks a story of cruel justice to quite a fair number including my mother.
Dude
Idk if you're the broken record or if I am
chrome plaza
you say that painters need follow no rules to create art
I have no clue why you think authors do
strange carbon
Language is defined by the people who write and interpret it at the time it was ...
.
Because otherwise it simply doesnt make sense, like physically.
chrome plaza
Compare realism vs impressionism to so-called correct vs so-called wrong writing
strange carbon
End skin police weird
Go bag clean wall Wii curtain
Harry Potter sky
A haiku I just made
That happens to make no sense.
lime stirrup
its..... perfect 😍
strange carbon
You can do that in painting and drawing.
chrome plaza
and you can do that in writing too
strange carbon
But there are limits in writing.
strange carbon
End skin police weird
Go bag clean wall Wii curtain
Harry Potter sky
This makes sense?
Is there any meaning you can get from this?
chrome plaza
it makes more sense than many modern paintings and sculptures
chrome plaza
it makes more sense than many modern paintings and sculptures
not to say they aren't art of course
strange carbon
No, paintings and sculptures dont make sense to you, but they make sense and speak to someone. Theres no person who knows the English language who can extract meaning from what I posted.
Modern is just what the present likes.
chrome plaza
No, paintings and sculptures dont make sense to you, but they make sense and spe...
i feel nostalgia for childhood pursuits
chrome plaza
No, paintings and sculptures dont make sense to you, but they make sense and spe...
Generally those paintings and sculptures will have some intent imbued into them by their creator
strange carbon
Aye but they dont need to. Many a times an artist chooses to paint and just paints whatever. My mum does it all the time.
chrome plaza
and I never said I didn't connect with them emotionally, just that there are some paintings I have connected with less than I have connected with that haiku you composed
strange carbon
There doesnt need to be a meaning behind it.
chrome plaza
there doesn't need to be a meaning behind writing either!
strange carbon
??
chrome plaza
writing to evoke emotion need not be writing to convey information
strange carbon
What is language if not a way to communicate? Every language in the world has a set of rules. Words mean things, that is the very foundation of what allows us to communicate.
lime stirrup
writing to evoke emotion need not be writing to convey information
smh imagine thinking about emotions
strange carbon
Whether you're singing a song about green bags or writing a children's book
Theres a meaning
chrome plaza
and even when there is a meaning, it need not be conveyed according to the so called "objective" rules of purists
strange carbon
Behind the sentences
lime stirrup
and even when there is a meaning, it need not be conveyed according to the so ca...
purists?
is that a thing lol
chrome plaza
is that a thing lol
(tanya is one)
lime stirrup
🤔
chrome plaza
stink CAN'T refer to something pleasant because that's WRONG
lime stirrup
i mean ive haf 0 grammar here and usenwring word.constantlu no one cares
like what i just wrote, uttet failure
but no one (invluding tanya) cares
strange carbon
stink CAN'T refer to something pleasant because that's WRONG
I've given credence to irony.
chrome plaza
it doesn't make sense that the eyes of the night can be pleasant
strange carbon
Depends on what the eyes of the night is
chrome plaza
no it absolutely does not
strange carbon
How the deuce are you describing something as something when you dint even know what it is
The eyes of the night stink
Doesnt really make sense unless we know what the fuck the eyes are.
chrome plaza
How the deuce are you describing something as something when you dint even know ...
because some things are always left up to the reader to interpret
strange carbon
Like yes "pleasant eyes of the night" as a sentence makes sense and is correct
chrome plaza
No?? pleasant eyes of the night is not a sentence
strange carbon
Eyes of the night, whatever the deuce that is, can be pleasant*
lime stirrup
ngl at this point i think i can say english is a waste of time :p
chrome plaza
fragment at best
strange carbon
fragment or not it makes sense.
lime stirrup
you lot have gotten now where, ive made an entire anonymous system on a voting bot
chrome plaza
but if its the pleasant cankersore of the limb it cannot make sense! the dictionary says cankersores are unpleasant!
lime stirrup
smh
strange carbon
But you can only retrieve cryptic meaning from it without anything more
chrome plaza
Doesnt really make sense unless we know what the fuck the eyes are.
why not?
they're pleasant and they are the eyes of the night
all the reader needs to know
strange carbon
but if its the pleasant cankersore of the limb it cannot make sense! the diction...
Well I know what a canker sore is(?)* and no, canker sore isnt necessarily unpleasant. It can make eating unpleasant but it's not inherently unpleasant.
Stink IS inherently unpleasant though, it is literally defined as "an unpleasant smell".
chrome plaza
why do you insist on trusting dictionaries over context?
strange carbon
Eyes of the night, whatever the deuce that is, can be pleasant*
But you can only retrieve cryptic meaning from it without anything more
Because words mean shit I'm sorry
Otherwise why cant I use the word stink as a stylistic choice for desk fan
chrome plaza
of course you can
chrome plaza
your desk fan has a scent to it
strange carbon
But that doesnt make me not wrong
chrome plaza
unless you are saying pointing to it and calling it a stink?
chrome plaza
Yeah, that works
strange carbon
Or why cant u replace turned with sti k?
I stink my desk fan on to cool me down
I can, but its wrong
And me doing it doesnt make it not wrong.
Unless I express awareness of the fact it's wrong somehow.
chrome plaza
The difference between swapping stink for smell and stink for turned/deskfan, the author's meaning is not hidden in the former
strange carbon
Hidden according to what?
Who says its hidden?
What authority?
Ah I know
Dictionary
Issue is
If not dictionary then what?
Context isnt enough to derive the meaning from words.
lime stirrup
dictionary isnt authority
chrome plaza
What authority?
the context
lime stirrup
it represents what ppl think
not ehat ppl should think
if theres a discrepancy its the dictionary thats wrong
strange carbon
it represents what ppl think
Aye because words mean what people take them to mean at the time they were written
lime stirrup
not the person
chrome plaza
if the author wants to make their meaning obscure for obscurity's sake, thats cool
lime stirrup
if the author wants to make their meaning obscure for obscurity's sake, thats co...
no, its cringe :/
chrome plaza
not cool as in positive social credit, cool as in still being art
strange carbon
And "The stink of baking bread" (with bread being pleasant) wrong, but it's also fine. Again using it doesnt make it not wrong.
I've got work.
chrome plaza
what does wrong mean to you?
it can't be breaking dictionary rules because dictionaries don't have rules
it can't be breaking grammar rules because content doesn't matter to grammar
chrome plaza
no, its cringe :/
in short- english is a pyramid scheme
english degrees get you 1 marketable skill- english teacher
lime stirrup
being an english teacher isnt a skill
chrome plaza
lmfao
tacit cedar
Tl;dr : mods suck
lime stirrup
we all do
nimble flare
This thread is amazing
keen oak
mods are mods
(they moderate)
strange carbon
I thought they modified
keen oak
no those are mods (different)
chilly garnet
I can modify your jawline if you want
chrome plaza
I didn't know you worked as a surgeon?
(with a brick)
latent wren
Is there a way to get mods for mobile?
latent wren
Yeah
latent wren
on any platform
Would be very interesting, would allow the devs to gain ideas to fix broken game mechanics and glitches and make some tribes more even and give them better ideas for new units
lime stirrup
latent wren
Lmaooo
carmine ocean
This post is becoming more and more relevant by the day
restive frigate
Mods are da best! :DDDD
carmine ocean
Maybe
jovial prairie
i wish the penguin revolution had succeeded
carmine ocean
Ok
tacit cedar
carmine ocean
Peng
strange carbon
👀
restive frigate
carmine ocean
True
half shale
okeh
jovial prairie
true
jovial prairie
true
tacit cedar
scary
white pagoda
Scari indeed
chilly garnet
hahahah
topaz crescent
gutbye am getin ban
chilly garnet
deleting it makes it worse
topaz crescent
should i ping again? xd
chilly garnet
no need
nimble flare
ghost ping?
lime stirrup
ye by looks of it
woven drift
ping
tacit cedar
Pong
strange carbon
Pang
chilly garnet
hahahahahahahahah