Rocket Modules & Space Stations.

[willow umbra]

😑 I'm definitely dumb

but thx

[dawn cairn]

I reconceptualized

[sour magnet]

you what?

[dawn cairn]

no more "3 types of stations"

[sour magnet]

"testing purposes"?

[dawn cairn]

instead you upgrade the station

and each upgrade unlocks more space

[sour magnet]

you are joking, right?

[dawn cairn]

no

[sour magnet]

...right?

wait did you actually do that???

[dawn cairn]

that is the plan

[sour magnet]

im confused

[dawn cairn]

you cannot change the size of worlds, so each station starts with its max size already, with the space that is unlocked by upgrading the station blocked with forcefield

and the size cycling was from testing that system

[sour magnet]

but you made choosing space station types???

[dawn cairn]

thats leftover from the original idea

since im totally remaking that screen anyway, no point in changing it

[sour magnet]

you will only be able to build 2 space stations then

[dawn cairn]

5

[sour magnet]

how

[dawn cairn]

by building them?

[sour magnet]

they are to big?

[dawn cairn]

limit will be a special resource

[dawn cairn]

nop

more space added during worldgen

[sour magnet]

wait you can do that???

WHAT

[dawn cairn]

I have been doing that for a year now

worldgen is
tetris of all worlds + some extra space for rockets in vanilla

I added some more space + interior shrinking for (next to) unlimited rockets

and now I will just increase the number

[sour magnet]

how can i see the world map without neutronium blocking again?

[dawn cairn]

ctrl + f

and backspace

[sour magnet]

HUH

also i saw that you are planning a docking module :)

[dawn cairn]

as I said- I added a bit of space

[dawn cairn]

primarily for AI rockets

[hardy forge]

turns out i actually had 3 instances of RE

one in steam, one in local, one in dev...

i also had 2 fasttracks

[hardy forge]

oh

[dawn cairn]

station blown up?

"*deconstructed "

[hardy forge]

no

payloads

[dawn cairn]

falling to land?

[hardy forge]

problably no valid landing spot

even after clearing the neutronium and sheild in debug

(yes i know the shield reforms)

[dawn cairn]

ye, I haven't updated the railguns to the new system

[hardy forge]

what's currently in work right now.

[dawn cairn]

construction system, derelics

[hardy forge]

whats derelics

[dawn cairn]

content

[hardy forge]

ahh content

[dawn cairn]

I will drop further details when its more complete

[prime hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-sneaky-key-lock-door-tom-cat-gif-27616110

[radiant heart]

earlier it made me restart my game for this mod and now my game keeps randomly closing

[sour magnet]

without a crash?

are you randomly pressing alt-f4?

every mod makes you restart your game after disabling/enabling it

[hardy forge]

no i occasionally get random closes, but its usually due to the computer im using,

[hardy forge]

was i supposed to do something with this?

[dawn cairn]

no

[radiant heart]

no

it just closes after like a minute

and its starting to piss me off

[hardy forge]

place log here

[radiant heart]

idk how to do that

and plus it just closes so idk if logs will help

[hardy forge]

Windows:
C:\Users\%username%\AppData\LocalLow\Klei\Oxygen Not Included\Player.log
Mac:
~/Library/Logs/Klei/Oxygen Not Included/Player.log
Linux:
~/.config/unity3d/Klei/Oxygen Not Included/Player.log

[hardy forge]

i think door + ssff is causing lag

[radiant heart]

well its not really lag

it just freezes for a sec then closes out

[dawn cairn]

unlikely that is a mod related crash

but hard to guess without log

[rich isle]

can you tell me what kind of mod it is, I looked all over the workshop and still can’t see it

[dawn cairn]

if you mean the space station - thats this mod

the feature is still work in progress so the config option for it is hidden in the config menu for now

[sour magnet]

fun fact: there are 65 people in this thread

[prime hedge]

Fun fact: there are more then 30k ppl had visited the mod

[dawn cairn]

24k unique visitors

[hardy forge]

fun fact: Rocketry expanded is the leading cause of crashes for oni on my pc

[dawn cairn]

stations are disabled for a reason

[hardy forge]

hehe

[willow umbra]

hey how do i access RE config ?

[sour magnet]

mod's entry (config button), or local config (at Documents\Klei\OxygenNotIncluded\mods\config\Rocketry Expanded\config.json)

[willow umbra]

thx

[radiant heart]

how can i get access to the logs?

[dawn cairn]

https://discord.com/channels/282741876224688128/1028244612487327847

[radiant heart]

and i just paste the logs?

[dawn cairn]

you pull the file into discord textbox

[radiant heart]

and where do i access it after i download it...

[dawn cairn]

you shouldnt download anything

[radiant heart]

oh

wait

how do i pull it?

[dawn cairn]

with your mouse

or use this

[radiant heart]

/\

is that it?

[dawn cairn]

yes

[radiant heart]

Ight

Is there anything wrong?

[dawn cairn]

SimMessage: Assert failed: contents_temperature <= SIM_MAX_TEMPERATURE

sim crash

something is hotter than 10k Kelvin

[radiant heart]

So i should just go into dev mode and cool it down?

[dawn cairn]

how do you have something that hot even

[radiant heart]

idk

im concerned for my world rn

[dawn cairn]

is there a conduction panel somewhere at the grid border?

[radiant heart]

i dont use conduction panels

ohhhhhhh

i know the problem

i was testing some steam generators in my world and put the temp pretty high near the core and it kept heating

im a retard

[dawn cairn]

lul

forcing > 10.000K crashes the sim

[radiant heart]

so what is 10k kelvin in Fahrenheit?

[dawn cairn]

idk

why the hell are you playing in F lol

[radiant heart]

im american

[dawn cairn]

even muricans use °C and K in scientific setting

[radiant heart]

well im a retard

i thought we stated that

[dawn cairn]

and °C is K - 273.15

[radiant heart]

?

[dawn cairn]

0 K is -273.15°C

and 0°C is 273.15 K

[radiant heart]

oh

[dawn cairn]

10k K is 9726.85°C

[radiant heart]

i cant find the 10k kelvin 😢

[hardy forge]

post your world sav

ill fix

[radiant heart]

ight

[radiant heart]

wait how tf do i do that...

[dawn cairn]

Documents\Klei\OxygenNotIncluded\cloud_save_files\[SteamAccountID] for cloud saves

Documents\Klei\OxygenNotIncluded\save_files for locals

[radiant heart]

... where do i put that

[hardy forge]

same place you put the log

[radiant heart]

ok

[dawn cairn]

also that sim crash happened over 1 minute after load, so idk if there is even one

[radiant heart]

?

[dawn cairn]

did it crash while you were heating it with debug tools?

[radiant heart]

no

so what should i do😭

[dawn cairn]

^

jfc

[radiant heart]

?

[hardy forge]

hit windows E, then paste C:\Users\%Username%\Documents\Klei\OxygenNotIncluded\cloud_save_files into the address bar

[radiant heart]

do i open auto save or the SAV file?

[hardy forge]

whatever is most recent

[radiant heart]

i think its this

[hardy forge]

k

[dawn cairn]

why is there 2x as much oxylite in that rocket as needed lol

ah

fertilizer

nvm

[radiant heart]

i was doing a long mission\

dont mind the dev pump

i only wanted to use that for this mission and nothing else

[sour magnet]

what

are you playing in a sandbox

[radiant heart]

they are helping find this 10k kelvin spot

[hardy forge]

(debug + sandbox)

[dawn cairn]

sandbox is off

[sour magnet]

Wait what? Temp more than 9726C° crashes the game?

[dawn cairn]

yes

always has

one reason you cant melt dupes

[radiant heart]

now i wanna try to melt my dupes

[dawn cairn]

the other is that, even if it wouldnt crash because of the temp, it would crash because genetic ooze melts into itself, causing an infinite loop that then crashes the game

[sour magnet]

So he used debug pump in non sandbox world?

[dawn cairn]

yes

debug pumps are locked by what the name suggests; debug mode

[sour magnet]

excuse me

why would you do this

[dawn cairn]

ask mr W0DKA here

[sour magnet]

im asking him

[radiant heart]

im back

got bread

anyways i was using debug mode for a test in a steam pump cuz i suck and then i got it a bit to hot

dont ask how it got that hot

[dawn cairn]

where is that steam pump located

[radiant heart]

i didnt use a pump

[hardy forge]

no tile or building is over 3000C

[radiant heart]

oh i meant to say a steam generator

i got rid of it

[hardy forge]

...

[radiant heart]

everything melted so i tiled it off with debug solid shit

[dawn cairn]

where

[hardy forge]

y u no use plastium

[radiant heart]

idk

[radiant heart]

i did it once near a steam gyser and again at the bottem but not as hot

it heated it self the rest

[hardy forge]

SimMessage: Assert failed: contents_temperature <= SIM_MAX_TEMPERATURE

[dawn cairn]

lol wheres that coming from

not from here

[hardy forge]

its in the oil well isn't it

[radiant heart]

ah fuck

[hardy forge]

no i haven't checked yet

[radiant heart]

ah

[hardy forge]

waiting a lil bit for game to relaunch

[radiant heart]

kk

[dawn cairn]

I have to say, this base is a beautiful clusterfuck

[hardy forge]

yeah

[radiant heart]

thats why i abandoned it

[dawn cairn]

that random radiator at -162C

[radiant heart]

i just left it there ngl

[hardy forge]

ive never seen a superconductive asteroid with a frozen core

[dawn cairn]

oh LOL

[radiant heart]

i was wondering why it froze aswell

[dawn cairn]

didnt saw that yet

is that a vanilla cluster?

[radiant heart]

... ye

[dawn cairn]

nice

well.. I didnt get any crash leaving it running for 2 cycles

[radiant heart]

happens around what i think is around the 3rd or 4th

[hardy forge]

my guess is meteor oob

[dawn cairn]

hm

[radiant heart]

that was a accindent i didnt see...

[dawn cairn]

debug drawn or natural meteor accumulation?

[radiant heart]

debug...

i thought i got rid of it

do you think thats the problem?

https://imgur.com/4f6T3DK

[dawn cairn]

no idea

maybe

[radiant heart]

damn

[hardy forge]

nope

[radiant heart]

i think i might of figured it out

[hardy forge]

still crashed after removal

[radiant heart]

there is debris above the ice blob

[hardy forge]

no

[radiant heart]

oh

[hardy forge]

that would have been fixed opon removing the ice blob

[radiant heart]

ah

i cant find anything

[dawn cairn]

mae is just in hell

[radiant heart]

lol

She shall pay for her sins against the colony

for being to stressed and breaking the kitchen glass

[dawn cairn]

kinda interesting it defaults to that for cryopod dupes

[radiant heart]

yea

[dawn cairn]

when does the crash happen?

currently cycle 1111

[radiant heart]

well it just now happened for me it took about 2 minutes

wasnt paying attention to cycles

[dawn cairn]

what cycle did this happen for you?

& was it perhaps related to the extended spacefarer module finishing?

[radiant heart]

thats strange

[dawn cairn]

dupes are chilling

[radiant heart]

ada is a slave for the food as the others wont

[dawn cairn]

sike, they were all meeps

[radiant heart]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

has it still not crashed for you?

[dawn cairn]

nop

[radiant heart]

strange

check the player log for your version of the world

maybe somthing changed

brb

[chrome grail]

.976 wtf

[dawn cairn]

I like my cycle counter to be very accurate

[radiant heart]

has it crashed yet?

[dawn cairn]

nop

[radiant heart]

damn

what cycles

[dawn cairn]

1114

[radiant heart]

ah

check the player log for your version of the world
maybe somthing changed

[dawn cairn]

nothing of that sorts

[radiant heart]

oh

[dawn cairn]

I also disabled my custom sim a while ago so thats not preventing the crash either

[radiant heart]

ooh

yea it just crashed for me again

cycle 1107

idk whats happening and why its working for you but its really annoying

[dawn cairn]

is it related to the extended spacefarer module finishing construction maybe?

[radiant heart]

no

it was crashing before that aswell

[dawn cairn]

ye idk then

most likely not related to this mod

[radiant heart]

well fuck

[dawn cairn]

probably something to do with the debug playing

but idk where and why

[radiant heart]

i think i figured it out

[dawn cairn]

that is.?

[radiant heart]

well all i really know is i left the world open before a mod update or som shit and i think if i load before that it will fix it

[dawn cairn]

wot

[radiant heart]

idk

im just going of what happened

[dawn cairn]

interesting, now I got it too

[radiant heart]

?

[dawn cairn]

the crash

[radiant heart]

ah

[dawn cairn]

doesnt crash when I remove the HVAC mod.

might be related to that

[radiant heart]

huh

well i guess its not a important mod

ill try it and see if that workds

[dawn cairn]

its certainly a candidate for "accidentally crashing the sim with temperature modifications"

[radiant heart]

my pc if having a storke

фр

my pc switched to russian

ight bye

thanks for the help

[dawn cairn]

worked?

[radiant heart]

im turning the mod off now

so far its working

[dawn cairn]

if it survives the cycle without crashing it was that mod

[radiant heart]

Yea that was it

[radiant heart]

how do you turn on space stations?

[sour magnet]

local config "SpaceStationsAndTech":false >> "SpaceStationsAndTech":true

[dawn cairn]

not a good idea

[hardy forge]

its too likely to crash

[radiant heart]

Oh

When do you think it would be a bit safer?

[dawn cairn]

when I finish it

[hardy forge]

the only part of space stations that seems finished is the research part

[dawn cairn]

its not :>

[dawn cairn]

creating the truly important features

more amogus

[chrome grail]

keys for the temporal tear

[hardy forge]

is the research not done or is the research not the only thing finished

[dawn cairn]

not done

[sour magnet]

what does that mean?

[dawn cairn]

in essence, something like this:

[sour magnet]

pog

[radiant heart]

hotdog

yum

[pine oasis]

That’s so fuckin random

[chrome grail]

do you think most of the space station stuff will be done before the next chaos crew?

or is there too much unpolished and unadded stuff

[dawn cairn]

idk

depends on how motivated Ill be working on mods

[radiant heart]

What happened thursday August 24th 2023 at 6:33 Am...

[chrome grail]

lmao

[pine oasis]

Correction, 8:33

[chrome grail]

timezones

[deep helm]

hello everyone i have look over the thread and have to say it looks realy cool, is there any info on when the space stations will work?

[dawn cairn]

When they are done

[hardy forge]

🙃

[hardy forge]

alloy tiles will help with this right?

[dawn cairn]

yup

one layer should absorb 100%

but of course its 1artifact/tile

[hardy forge]

ive done a bit

radiation got a Craniectomy

[sour magnet]

when you need to have points to unlock points

[dawn cairn]

LOL

Critter cargo bay is vanilla now

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151062-game-update-573946/

[sour magnet]

KEKW

[dawn cairn]

its TINY!

[sour magnet]

It can hold 1 critter or can it hold more?

[dawn cairn]

1 critter

and I will have to look at it in more detail, but I think it will suffer from the same problem my original module had - bees dying from old age during the trip

Oh, and all rocket mods broke

[sour magnet]

:despair:

[dawn cairn]

because klei removed entries from certain building cost arrays, leading to a value no longer existing

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

correction: satellites and RE broke, AI rockets is fine

[dawn cairn]

because of that change

back in biz

yup.. critter can die in it

[west umbra]

Skull

[dawn cairn]

so... Ill probably keep the stasis module in the mod

maybe give it a new anim/height reduction

[chrome grail]

oo they made robo miners industrial machinery

might screw space scanners

[dawn cairn]

they lost that malus with the rework

more importantly tho: conveyor loaders ARENT machinery anymore

[hardy forge]

malus?

[dawn cairn]

the opposite of a bonus

[hardy forge]

oh

[dawn cairn]

a negative effect

space scanners dont get that negative effect since the rework

[chrome grail]

they dont?

i need to try space scanners again

[ivory heart]

eh, any chance we can get some automation ports for rocket status?

• an output port inside the rocket on whether the rocket is docked
• an input port inside the rocket and one on outside to communicate status like if food fridge/oxylite/algae is stocked full, etc.

[hardy forge]

o no

[sour magnet]

oh no

[dawn cairn]

^

[hardy forge]

beeg crash box

[dawn cairn]

debug build has them big

(public testing branch is a debug build)

[dawn cairn]

https://github.com/Sgt-Imalas/Sgt_Imalas-Oni-Mods/releases/tag/beta_branch_RE

threw some fixes together if someone cant wait for the update going live

[chrome grail]

will use RE on the next chaos crew seed

[dawn cairn]

possibly found (and fixed) the issue that causes rockets interior ports to delete liquids

[hardy forge]

liquids in the pipe?

[dawn cairn]

liquids in the interior port

there is a bug that when there is a rocket in space, activly dumping liquids in its interior (in space, it gets spewed out to the tile above it),
then all landed rocket interiors that have their ports blocked on the outside, will start dumping liquids too

[hardy forge]

ohh, nice

[dawn cairn]

Rocketry Expanded v.2.7.1

• Updated to work with the new Update
• increased the extra reserved grid space during worldgen for certain future project
• fixed the vanilla bug that rocket conduit ports would leak liquids under certain circumstances when landed + pipe blocked
• (hopefully) fixed for the freezer access hatch
• fixed a rare crash with the starmap location sensor
• Rocket destination selector now shows the POI instead of "empty space" if you set it as destination
• coal generator module now has a configurable mass delivery threshold
• fixed generator modules consuming resources while paused
• removed a few instances of light log spam
• ||Interplanetary Launchers should now work inside and with space stations||
• ||space stations wont cycle their size anymore||

[sour magnet]

Now we wait for factorio-train type scheduling system for rockets :)

[hardy forge]

nice

[hardy forge]

didn't fix this though

the targeting beacon says it works, but payloads aren't coming down to the station 😦

[dawn cairn]

are those existing payloads?

like did you shoot them after the update or were they already chilling there?

[dawn cairn]

somethings brewing

also "comically large petrol booster"

[prime hedge]

Finnnally

[hardy forge]

before the update, new payloads also get stuck

[dawn cairn]

hmm

[dawn cairn]

hmmmm

I tested with a station in orbit, lets see about a deep space station

[sour magnet]

is it because of the forcefield?

it obstructs flight point, just like the rocket that can't get to the rocket platform because it is obstructed

[dawn cairn]

no, they should bypass it, I have code for that in place

ooh

maybe its the beacon

[dawn cairn]

in my tests they rained down, but I might not have had a beacon in place

so maybe I forgot to add that bypass code to the targeting of beacons

[hardy forge]

imma decon the beacon then reload

[sour magnet]

POG

[jade swallow]

what was updated yesterday in this mod?

didnt found any info about it

[torn charm]

probs just a patch for the new game update

[hardy forge]

||Also made space stations flip sizes again, but i know exactly why||

[dawn cairn]

yup, I need my testing and that flip thing was manually disabled

and then I reactivated it for testing again

and forgot to turn it off for the toilet fix

[turbid lotus]

Hello, is this space station and which mod?

[dawn cairn]

this mod

stations are not officially released content

[dawn cairn]

found the reason for it

payloads work when the station is in orbit around the launch planet

needs some additional patches

[dawn cairn]

*edit:

no

needs less patches lol

[hardy forge]

so it should work for me now?

[dawn cairn]

no

(unless you recompile the latest state of the mod from GitHub)

(then yes)

nothing pushed to live

the mod is >26mb, >50mb with previous release archived version, so I avoid updating as much as possible (especially since the problem of mods not updating properly got even worse with the last game update)

[hardy forge]

ah

i can use oni files and visual studio to compile right

[dawn cairn]

in theory

the project is set up that you just have to connect file references in directoryBuilds/targetd

but then I started using publiciser so it has to create the publiciser filed afterwards, since RE depends on them

[hardy forge]

i need tinyyetbig and Rocketry expanded right?

[dawn cairn]

no, only tinyyetbig

the other is a bit of a missname

[hardy forge]

0_o

[dawn cairn]

but you need the entire solution for references

[dawn cairn]

cant rename the folders

[hardy forge]

i love rabbit holes

[dawn cairn]

kills git history

its the bomb mod

in the solution its renamed properly

similarly the "space station"/"starmap expansion" projects contain nothing

[dawn cairn]

updated dll

[hardy forge]

neat

[dawn cairn]

it will probably won't help with existing payloads

but new ones should work

[hardy forge]

uhh

but it does work

[dawn cairn]

the timers are off by 1 hex

because for asteroids, they arrive when hitting an orbit tile

and cant have that with stations

but the tooltip calculation isnt patched yet

[prime hedge]

I'd say maybe you should drop beta stuff in his own server to avoid confusion

[sour magnet]

There is?

[dawn cairn]

yes

cannot link it as linking to other servers is blocked on
this one

a link is on a few of my mods in the bug report section

[prime hedge]

(put it on your self introduce)

[dawn cairn]

maybe a good idea

[hardy forge]

ok (wish i knew sooner)

[dawn cairn]

mainly for beta tests of mods/mod updates, crash reports and sometimes sneak peek images

[dawn cairn]

Klei doing some rocketry qol

[hardy forge]

is ladder adapter?

[dawn cairn]

in bad

doesnt work as a ladder, more like a 1 wide rocket platform

[hardy forge]

wait wat

[dawn cairn]

so dupes have to climb it

also it cannot be constructed without a tile below it

[hardy forge]

1 wide rocket platform?

[dawn cairn]

in regard to dupe climbing behavior

cant construct this

[hardy forge]

dupe can stand on it, but i though you meant 1 tile rocket platform as in you can build rocket on it

[dawn cairn]

other rocket related news:
"Changed how rockets check for a clear path to space when launching, to be consistent with how they check when landing. It now checks the widest module."
-> rocket shaving is ded

[hardy forge]

noooooo

[dawn cairn]

but hey, now rockets have this fancy width preview

[hardy forge]

but at what cost

[dawn cairn]

*-> rocket shaving *

:}

[hardy forge]

i saw that, and now its not funny

also do you have any experience in dst modding

[dawn cairn]

no

[prime hedge]

They are not even the same language

[foggy rain]

DST isn't in C#?

[dawn cairn]

DST is Lua

[hardy forge]

just curious

[foggy rain]

Is it Lua with a core C++ engine or is it just entirely in Lua?

[dawn cairn]

to cite a dev:

The Don't Starve engine is custom-built in C++, and has been ported to a bunch of different platforms. Most of the gameplay code is written in LUA, which is great for portability and iteration.

[radiant heart]

how do you turn on the space stations

and where do you go to turn them on

[radiant heart]

since making power on a space station will probably be hard you should make a type of reactor that can be made for stations

[dawn cairn]

solar works

and you can just make a normal reactor

[radiant heart]

oh yea

im a retard

[dawn cairn]

• Helium3 refinement

[hardy forge]

?

wasat

[dawn cairn]

a note

for sometime later

[hardy forge]

oooohhh

[dawn cairn]

Great, the new "Cargobay installed" condition for drillcones is always active - even if no drillcone is installed, its just hidden from the ui

[dawn cairn]

and fix finished

[dawn cairn]

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/klei-bug-tracker/oni/new-rocket-launch-condition-always-active-r43044/

"Fixed" 🎉

[worthy pumice]

stations are added to this mod now?

sorry it's been a bit

[dawn cairn]

not yet

Im getting distracted

[worthy pumice]

ok

[dawn cairn]

Stuff I'm currently distracted with:
spaced out starmap preview/builder for CGM

[clever badge]

brutal, Klei better implement your mods to game at some point as vanilla content

[pine oasis]

I don’t think they will

[chrome grail]

uh well something happened

[dawn cairn]

what

that looks like you're on an old version

pre November update version

or even pre October update

[chrome grail]

i used the packed snacks update on the github

[dawn cairn]

whatever update added the critter cargo and moved all the module cost arrays for no reason

weird

[chrome grail]

used this one

[dawn cairn]

hm

properly replaced all files?

/ deleted old folder, extracted new one?

[chrome grail]

yea

[dawn cairn]

log

[chrome grail]

wait i should check if i waited for the entire thing to finish unzipping

theres no log

ill try to get the crash again

theres no player.log

[dawn cairn]

there has to be

[dawn cairn]

player <- thats the log file

you have file extension names disabled

player == player.log

[chrome grail]

dmed you the log

[dawn cairn]

CGM 4.0 finished; back to work at RE features

Vertical Port adapters

[sour magnet]

pog

[hardy forge]

very pog

[flat halo]

.... whoa

[willow umbra]

Vertical pog adapters

[pine oasis]

That’s always fun

~~ when hydrogen generator module~~

200w, 20g/s

One tile

Similar in art to the steam one but silver and with a tube filled with a pink substance that goes up and down

[sour magnet]

Like base hydrogen generator?

[pine oasis]

yes but for rocket

[dawn cairn]

vertical port adapters are slowly taking form (another beautiful range of buildings drawn by @native temple)

[left mica]

is the height modular? like you can specify how many tiles it should go up?

[dawn cairn]

the red vertical piece is a 1x1 building

the X/cross piece is 3x2

(orange tint due to material color mod)

[worthy pumice]

ooh

[west umbra]

damn that actually looks nice

[stoic lark]

this could get very interesting 🙂 ty Imalas

[flat halo]

Now you're almost thinking with portals.

Because damn. That's getting close to teleportation. :)

[dawn cairn]

tbf - this is also possible in vanilla spaced out

[flat halo]

True, but... to paraphrase Megamind... it's a teleporter alright, but not a portal.

What's the difference?

Presentation!

[sour magnet]

question: is ion engine complete or not?

...or will be vertical port adapter made first?

[native temple]

Question: Can it teleport bread?

[hardy forge]

Ill do you one better: Is there bread?

[native temple]

(it was tf2 reference)

[native temple]

Thanks

[flat halo]

I'll do you one better: Why is Pepper Bread?

[hardy forge]

you got me

||yeeeeessssssss||

[dawn cairn]

Feb. QOL update has arrived and RE got a new release version:
Rocketry Expanded v2.8:
New Buildings:

• Vertical Rocket Port Adapter & Vertical Rocket Adapter Piece: allow connecting rocket ports vertically

Fixes and Adjustments:

• fixed POI Capacity scanner not exchanging heat and being invincible
• added a patch that prevents a vanilla crash when planning a new module that would overlap with free floating planned parts
• changed drillcone and drillcone service module auto load from a button to a checkbox for better clarity
• liquids and gasses held in the exterior portion of spacefarer modules are now insulated from the exterior
• Rewrote the entire docking system to fix a number of bugs with it, docking doors should no longer bug out on loading.
• rocket docking tube now has to be attached to the interior door, but it wont block other buildings anymore
• Derelict descriptions have been adjusted to not say "requires drillcone for artifact gathering" as this was factually wrong.
• removed fix for interior ports leaking as this is now fixed in the vanilla game
• fixed layering of wall adapter

Station Alpha:

• test space stations can no longer be spawned indefinitely on the same hex
• added ui config option to opt into space station testing
• rocket platforms can now be built inside space stations
• once the required science is unlocked, you can now upgrade your space station (currently at no cost for testing), this increases the interior size outwards
• roundtrip mining with space station docking should now be functioning

[dawn cairn]

turns out, the last update broke something in the docking system -_-

[dawn cairn]

im working on a fix, please dont try using it

[dawn cairn]

some additional module storage info in the module preview

[surreal obsidian]

i would love a way to fill up rockets with fuel from the inside but i dont know if you would make this cus there is already space stations but i was thinking about this idea because you can bring fuel from other rockets and bring it over with docking to fill up a stranded rocket

[dawn cairn]

no that would be broken

besides you can tow stranded rockets

[surreal obsidian]

well yea i suppose

[surreal obsidian]

oh, havent tried that, its definatelly a better system

[dawn cairn]

one small petrol engine uses 45kg fuel per tile. a single fuel storage contains 5T of fuel

[dawn cairn]

new update released, 2.8.3:
New Features:

• Module Storage Preview: the build preview of rocket modules now gives information about the modules internal storage capacity. Includes cargo bays, batteries, radbolt storages, critter modules, fuel tanks and oxidizer tanks
• Rocket Loader Buildings now have a logic output for "currently loading". Note that this should be used with a buffer gate, as it can flicker when used with multiple rockets. This can be toggled off in the config

Fixes & Adjustments

• fixed rotation display of radbolt storage module
• added "copy settings" to radbolt storage module
• fixed the building conditions (red list of failures) in the rocket build menu not refreshing properly
• moved logic port of radbolt loader one tile up
• large oxidizer tank now properly starts off with 1350kg set in the filter if the buff is active
• added the new width visualizer to all new spacefarer rocket modules
• cleaned up a few lingering handles
• added compatiblity patch for Hydrocarbon Rocket engines

[sour magnet]

is ion engine/booster still being worked on?
also what about these? #1022206643624222791 message

[wise hollow]

could you add a drillcone that can fill up 2 large cargo bays worth of space?

also uses twice the diamond

but just harvests more stuff

[dawn cairn]

planned

[unborn fulcrum]

@dawn cairn sry for pinging but I wrote a translated PO file for your R.E mod. but I still cannot find how to apply it in-game. here is a po file.

[dawn cairn]

you put it in the "translations" folder of the mod

with the name equaling the language id

I think in this case; "ko_KR.po"

[unborn fulcrum]

thank you, I successed

How about adding that translation to a basic mod folder? (:

[dawn cairn]

its always modfolder/translations

thats how the game loads translations for mods

ill be adding this one to the next RE release

[unborn fulcrum]

fixed version. some vowels were missing.

[graceful slate]

Since now there is a bigger solar panel maybe their output and cost could be scaled? For smaller decrease cost and leave power output and for large increase output but leave the cost

Oh, btw I have graphic glitches with the middle cistern on the chlorine tank, solar panel and battery charge indicators. I will enclose screen shots asap.

[dawn cairn]

No

The module only exists because klei hasnt fixed the meter bugs yet so I cannot work with skins

Which is also the cause of the other issues

[graceful slate]

So this is a known issue. Ok

[dawn cairn]

• Artifact loader buildings
• deployable ultra wide solar panel module
• drillcone mk2 (incl. Neutronium Shaving)

• manual drill (rocket interior building that allows early game space mining via dupe labor)

[sour magnet]

pog

[left mica]

very excited to see that solarpanel and manual drill module

what research level will the manual drill be locked behind?

[dawn cairn]

probably something early

those are just ideas rn, I just wrote them down

[stable basin]

The dupes yearn for the resource clouds

[graceful slate]

Wouldn't this be overpowered compared to orig drillcone? (if it still needs diamond then ok)

[dawn cairn]

all dependent on rates

for example I could make it be like a grappler the dupe controlls, but the rate is dependent on the max mass of the space poi

so uranium poi only gives a few hundred kg per cycle

so now your resource the mining depends on is dupe life support

[graceful slate]

Clever but it still would be at least in pair with orig drillcone in lategame due to ability to sustain dupe in space near indefinitely

But ye, efficiency would be not that great

[dawn cairn]

that is then again balanced out by the additional space it needs inside the capsule

[graceful slate]

So it is planned as a command module? Interesting

[dawn cairn]

no, it takes space inside the spacefarer

attached to the rocket wall

[graceful slate]

Oh, I see

[dawn cairn]

or ceiling

[graceful slate]

Btw, it is not about this idea but about the existing expanded spacefarer module, it is intentional that you have made the top portion only 2 tiles high?

[dawn cairn]

you mean the window module? yes

1 height on the outside equals 2 tiles height on the inside

[graceful slate]

This one

[dawn cairn]

1 tile height above the window, 2 tile height below the window

(roughly)

[graceful slate]

Shame that the wall toilet has 3 tiles high and cannot pierce 2 tiles wall, such a great spot for it.

[ruby knot]

manual drill trains excavation

[prime hedge]

ultra wide panel? is it in game already 👀 ?

[dawn cairn]

no, its my todo list

[prime hedge]

oh

[civic estuary]

Any plans for either a module or feature to allow the Engine to draw eligible fuel from available Storage Tanks?

Example being a Gas Storage filled with Steam automatically refilling the Steam Engine without having to land and connect the two with pipes

[dawn cairn]

No. That would be brokenly op

[civic estuary]

Ah shit wait you're right, the Cargo Tanks have way more storage than the Fuel Tanks
I was only thinking about Gas Cargo for Steam Engine (...which would still give it 240 Hexes of range so fair enough)

Maybe a module that slightly increases the inbuilt storage of engines that come with them? Well there's one for Co2 but not sure if there's one for Steam

[dawn cairn]

none for steam currently

[civic estuary]

Any plans for one like that for Steam?
It's not essential or anything, just curious

[dawn cairn]

potentially

[left mica]

somewhat related question, does the radbolt storage module extend the radbolt engine range or is it only for the laser mining cone?

[dawn cairn]

only laser drillcone

[left mica]

got it. thank you!

[civic estuary]

Silly question, but this seemed most related to with RA:
Any plans to somehow make Data Banks usable or even valuable after finishing all Orbital Research? Sort of like how Neutronium Dust is used

[dawn cairn]

maybe

[maiden geyser]

Is there way to make starmap bigger?

[dawn cairn]

CGM

[civic estuary]

Is there a method to automatically unload resources from the Cargo Modules of a Rocket docked to a Space Station, or is that not present yet?

[dawn cairn]

attach cargo loader to the station docking port

or make rocket platforms

[civic estuary]

thank you!

[stoic lark]

just to double check the rocket fuel loader does not work with a steam rocket? or im going to guess with any that have an intake port

[dawn cairn]

it should work

[dawn cairn]

yup, working as it should

[stoic lark]

so are you saying it works with a steam engine?

[dawn cairn]

yes

[stoic lark]

hmm maybe cuz i had a pipe on the port mine didnt work

will play it some more

[dawn cairn]

hm

it should load all fuel tanks, even those embedded inside of rocket engines

do you have "rocket umbilicals" mod enabled?

[stoic lark]

i have no idea what that is

[dawn cairn]

some (now hidden) mod that has a conflict with fuel loaders

[stoic lark]

lol then i probably dont

dont remember anything like that

[stoic lark]

im going to send the rocket back up and deconstruct that pipe and see if that helps

[dawn cairn]

any chance that there is a wrong gas stuck inside the fuel loaders gas storage?

[stoic lark]

shouldnt be. i cleaned all the other gases many many cycles ago

[dawn cairn]

(unlikely that the pipe on the port is causing the problem)

got a log?

[stoic lark]

umm probably? its in appdata right?

and sry was tabbed into the game

[dawn cairn]

ye

[dawn cairn]

thats a bit empty

it resets each game restart

[stoic lark]

do i need to exit for it update?

[dawn cairn]

no, the log gets written live

[stoic lark]

sry i havent played with the logs before

[dawn cairn]

log_prev exists from the previous instance

[stoic lark]

okay ill check that in a sec

[dawn cairn]

ideally send the main log file after you've done the stuff ingame and before any restarts

[stoic lark]

okay im getting ready to send it up again so i can try refueling again

okay so no pipe this time and still not loading

sry to be of little help

[dawn cairn]

hm

is your system date correct?

Date: 03/18/2025 16:58:51

[stoic lark]

no its 4/15/2025(us format)

[dawn cairn]

thats the date from the prev log file

the regular log file has

Date: 03/18/2025 16:59:32

[stoic lark]

weird cuz ive restarted a couple times today

[dawn cairn]

is one drive enabled?

wait no

thats not log relevant

[stoic lark]

no

win11 btw if that makes any difference

[dawn cairn]

yup; those modified dates are rather old

[stoic lark]

huh didnt even notice

[dawn cairn]

now the quesion is-did the game fail to write the logs due to insufficient file permissions or did it write them somewhere else

[stoic lark]

i started steam as admin cuz i was having trouble with the file permissions for some mods not loading

[dawn cairn]

hm

[stoic lark]

im having the PC search now for a newer version

its a full laptop so it might take a bit

[dawn cairn]

also windows search...

[stoic lark]

yeah 😦

i dont have any other programs installed right now

[dawn cairn]

luv me some voidtools

[stoic lark]

hmm havent seen that one before..ill check it while im waiting lol

[dawn cairn]

it uses the harddrives file index (or creates one depending on drive type) for instant file search

pretty much linux search speed

[stoic lark]

oh strange. its under my kids profile. let me switch over to get it

this one should be the correct one

lol quite a bit bigger

[dawn cairn]

Date: 04/15/2025 17:00:15

date looks good

[stoic lark]

not a complete old man. just slow on the uptake sometimes lol

[dawn cairn]

hm

thats one potential cause crossed out

could you send me the save?

[stoic lark]

lol sure...let me switch back to her account. pretty sure that is where its gonna be

[dawn cairn]

also it seems like OneDrive is active there btw, that might cause issues in the future

Save path: C:\Users\[name]\OneDrive\Documents\Klei\OxygenNotIncluded

[stoic lark]

yeah i can see that. ive been trying to help her out with this save but ive been playing on my win account with her steam acct. guess i should be playing on her win account

anyways brb

hmm that is strange. that was the most current there but im on 542

[dawn cairn]

is there any newer autosave?

[stoic lark]

i bet onedrive is messing with things

there wasnt on her account

[dawn cairn]

hmm

[stoic lark]

and yeah none on mine

this is from my windows account where ive been playing

seems to have stopped saving on my profile a while ago

anyways ty for the help. i will do some more trouble shooting and let you know if i figure anything out

[dawn cairn]

well

[stoic lark]

i appreciate your time

[dawn cairn]

is that still the same setup as in your current world?

[stoic lark]

yeah

[dawn cairn]

then it makes sense why it doesnt load

[stoic lark]

1st time ive used any of your platform buildings

[dawn cairn]

and thats a rather annoying ui bug

[stoic lark]

oh?

[dawn cairn]

vertical port pieces can only connect to other vertical port pieces and the "+" adapters

the visual bug here is the fact that the bottom ones dont register as not connected

[stoic lark]

the gas loaders work tho?

[dawn cairn]

but essentially you need this here

[stoic lark]

and isnt that the t connector?

[dawn cairn]

which is a bug

[stoic lark]

so this type of setup doesnt work then?

sry im so confused

[dawn cairn]

wait, are they working?

they arent for me

[stoic lark]

the gas loaders...yeah

they have been filling the rocket

[dawn cairn]

weird

[stoic lark]

or at least they were

lol

[dawn cairn]

but essentially this is a "it shouldnt be connected but it is partially due to a bug" situation

the vertical ports are supposed to only work like this:

[stoic lark]

oh okay i can do that

was going to put a liquid lock where the insulated loader was anyways

[dawn cairn]

also there is a reinforced ladder that can be used here

removes those notification

[stoic lark]

yeah i saw it. dont have that much steel production yet

also i have the suppose notification mod so it doesnt bother me 😉

btw since i have you here. does the docking port work?

[dawn cairn]

it should

[stoic lark]

cool cool then im gonna try that out as well

[dawn cairn]

docking two rockets together syncs their speed and allows to transfer dupes

it also allows towing stranded rockets

[stoic lark]

oh that last part is sweet.

been using this mod for a long time mostly for the build menu changes and the other rocket engines. decided to give the rest of it a go recently

i love pretty much all of your mods tbh

but im sure you can see i have quite a few of them install 😄

[dawn cairn]

indeed

[stoic lark]

if i can ask you for a favor, could you take a minute and see my couple of suggestions and at least let me know if they possible and how difficult you think they would be
https://discord.com/channels/282741876224688128/1358319980977848440
https://discord.com/channels/282741876224688128/1357841934697234552

[dawn cairn]

ded flydo pedestals is probably rather easy

see corpses on pedestals from Sanchozz

[stoic lark]

oh awesome

ty

[dawn cairn]

partitioned storage is probably a pita

[stoic lark]

okay. ty

i was afraid of that

i was debating if it wasnt too hard to try and dust off my modding noobness and give it a try

[dawn cairn]

the source is there at least https://github.com/kat0r/oni_mods/tree/main/ImprovedFilteredStorage

and its even MIT licensed

so it could be worth a try

[stoic lark]

i will have to do a ton of reading in the modding channel. i havent modded anything in like 10-15 years

[dawn cairn]

looking at those comments; the crash might be fixed just by updating the plib nuget package

the crash msg posted there is caused by the sidescreen restructuring which requires that update

[stoic lark]

thats umm...peters? mod

[dawn cairn]

a library mod that is usually included as a NuGet package

[stoic lark]

okay

i know a lot of mods use that lib

they are a solid tile correct? no gas passing by them?

[dawn cairn]

they are not solid

[stoic lark]

okay

change of plans then and reshift of other things

[dawn cairn]

that might be worth sth to add; a 1x3 vertical piece that allows construction of something in the middle of it

vaguely like this

[stoic lark]

that could be interesting

yeah it works now. ty

[dawn cairn]

and I fixed the check

its now propely detecting the connection state

[stoic lark]

oh. awesome.

[dawn cairn]

tomorrow Ill release that VFNT update that adds dynamic build requirement indicators to all relevant buildings

and then I'll look into those bypass connectors

[stoic lark]

VFNT is the new visual mod?

[dawn cairn]

yes

[stoic lark]

oh i like that one very much

[dawn cairn]

the one 3GuB and I are making

he does all the art stuff, I write the code

[stoic lark]

im not usually one for visuals in oni but that one is very nice

i cant hardly draw stick figures so i dont blame ya for having someone else do the art

[dawn cairn]

I really like that wall/floor requirement indicator I wrote today/yesterday

[stoic lark]

that will help so many newer players

[dawn cairn]

especially old gas reservoir would have massively benefited from it

new one is clearer

[stoic lark]

yeah

[dawn cairn]

wall toilet gains a lot of clarity imo

it requires a floor, but the built in indicator is missing that

[stoic lark]

huh never thought to try and place it above the floor

[stoic lark]

❤️

[dawn cairn]

that was a lot easier to create than anticipated-now it just needs a custom anim

finally I have a way of allowing transit tubes to cross connectors

[stoic lark]

thats awesome. will make things easier fur sure

[final vine]

Would that replace the wall connectors

[dawn cairn]

no

takes much more space

[stoic lark]

anyone have a colonizer interior for the expanded space farer they dont mind sharing....im stumped at where to start with it. also if this is an unwanted post Imalas just tell me and ill delete it

[graceful slate]

@stoic lark I have an ok-ish one but it uses infinite storages. If you are fine with those I will send you later

[stoic lark]

yeah i like infinite storage

and ty

[graceful slate]

@stoic lark baracks + great hall + washroom (water and oxygen from ports into inf storage)

[stoic lark]

ty

[graceful slate]

I can send you full layout into pm if you wish

[stoic lark]

if you would like. this at least gives me something to visualize...i just couldnt see where anything would go.

[civic estuary]

I should design extended spacefarer interiors

[native temple]

and not only*

[stoic lark]

Hey Imalas. your new BP mod, does it read the old mods blueprints or do i need to recreate all new ones?

[prime kite]

As this mod is based on the code of the original blueprints mod (big thanks to Mayall for allowing me to use it), all your existing blueprints will be compatible and able to use the material swap feature

[stoic lark]

so i just have to find where they are stored then. i seem to not have any. im sure its an issue with how im playing the game on the pc. anyways ty for the info as i guess i missed it

[dawn cairn]

It uses the same path as the old one, mods/blueprints

[stoic lark]

im sure it does. but since i play on a different windows account than the steam acct saves to. it does stranges things

[dawn cairn]

Same story as the recent savegame finding thing you had I assume

[stoic lark]

thats what ive figuring

not a big deal

once im back to playing on my PC ill have my old BPs

and in the mean time ill make some new ones for the kid

its pretty sweet tho. ive played with it a bit this evening

[left mica]

any plans on making a "slim" 3 tile nosecone module? i hate how goofy the rockets look when mixing 3 tile and 5 tile rocket parts. if there was a 3 tile nosecone it would at least actually be a little rocket-shaped

[dawn cairn]

There are 2?

[left mica]

i dont mean crew modules, just a plain nosecone

as much as i like the style of the solo spacefarer nosecone and the expanded one they just dont have enough space

[dawn cairn]

Ah

[hardy forge]

that would be cool, but what would be the pros/cons of the diff cones

[cunning lake]

Some reward for having all slim parts would be cool

A speed or fuel efficiency bonus, maybe even a cheaper launchpad so you don’t have to land 2 dupes at once to have enough metal

[final vine]

You could keep the same total area it takes up

So increase the height

Could be a trade off of taller rockets for being able to build more stuff in the area

Generally not good to have a taller one tho

[cunning lake]

The issue with it being completely generalized to being area based is that isn’t actually fundamentally any different than it being height based, it just makes narrow parts 3/5ths the size of wide ones compared to their current values arbitrarily

[deft lake]

@dawn cairn i’ve been interested in finding a way to send a message to the Launch platform that this capsule is ready for launch (eg it has enough food, water, plastic, o2, oxylite etc.). It’s easy enough to bring together an automation signal, but getting it to the platform is tricky. The obvious solution of using a broadcaster means that you have to tie the rocket to a particular platform, which I find inelegant.
I think bringing the signal to the platform is better than just bringing it outside the rocket because of the different shapes and sizes .

Is this something you would like to attack or integrate since it aligns to some of your previous work? If not, I will probably take a stab at it. I wanted to give you first right of refusal.

[dawn cairn]

yes

[dawn cairn]

my idea for this issue is a logic input building (potentially ribbon) port thats constructed inside the rocket and can be configured with a name and rocket category to add a custom condition

[deft lake]

It’s important that it works regardless of whichever platform the rocket is currently on.
The solution with the broadcaster ties the rocket to its particular platform .

I think if you can just bring that input to the platform ( or some building w a wireless automation port that canlinked to the existing platform ) it will solve 99% of the cases. It’s up to the user to decide what they consider the launch condition. that can be automation linked to the existing platform

[dawn cairn]

the building goes into the rocket - registers its condition with it- the landing pad then grabs all of the conditions from the rocket

[deft lake]

Sorry not following you. What’s an example of the conditions? Why do you need anything more than input automation port that gets to the outside ? Different rockets will have different “ok to launch” conditions even over their lifetime.

[dawn cairn]

It does not require "going outside"

[dawn cairn]

It is sent directly to the rocket

I'll send you an image later

[dawn cairn]

( @deft lake )

[deft lake]

yes, that's exactly what i was envisioning!

[dawn cairn]

Had the idea for that for a while, but was put off by the ui cost back then

Since then the iFew... Side screen has been added, that allowed me to fully use vanilla ui

Will be in the next mod update

[dawn cairn]

now with a "custom" animation

[dawn cairn]

and its released

[deft lake]

were you working on that already when i asked or did you go from the idea to implementation in 1/2 day?

i'm like you now, i'm barely playing anymore, just modding! meta-ONI lol.

[dawn cairn]

I had the idea for over a year now, as well as done the research on how to implement it in the past.
It was just on hold because of the UI requirement

[ruby knot]

you...thought thief

[dawn cairn]

Your question got me to reevaluate that state

And with the fewoption screen, all ui could be done in vanilla, so the hard part of it was gone

The implementation itself is fairly trivial

https://github.com/Sgt-Imalas/Sgt_Imalas-Oni-Mods/blob/master/Rockets-TinyYetBig/Content/Scripts/Buildings/RocketLogicLaunchCondition.cs

also helped that I had a rare motivation to work on RE atm

[prime kite]

It wouldn’t be the first time Imalas created something in a few hours.
I’m convinced he can simply will mods into existence.

[graceful slate]

I have issues with the fuel loader. Once I disconnect the pipe from the liquid storage hydrogen flow stops, while the same action with the oxidizer loader causes oxygen to bypass the loader and correctly return to condenser

[dawn cairn]

sounds like a bug/weird behavior of the pipe system (vanilla)

its probably related to the orientation of the pipes causing it to check different paths first

the one on the oxidizer has "up" and "left" connection, the one on the hydrogen has "right" and "up"

[graceful slate]

Why does this even matter?! Omg

[dawn cairn]

bc it has to do the checks in some order?

same reason (gaseous) elements tend to drift to the right

[graceful slate]

🥲

Thanks

@dawn cairn in sandbox with exactly the same configuration it behaves opposite

[dawn cairn]

lol

sounds definitly like a conduit issue

[graceful slate]

Hm, the directional bridge should address that. UPD: Yes, it does

[graceful slate]

Is it possible to make the fortified rocket platform unentombable? Since it already is immune to meteorite damage and needs 1200 of steel

[prime kite]

Make it shake like a Bonbon Tree

[dawn cairn]

that is a thing I had planned for a while

[graceful slate]

So, if you are planning to add this feature to fortified rocket platforms, then if I have one already entombed it will ignore that state once this feature is added?

[dawn cairn]

Yes

[graceful slate]

Idea for AI controlled rockets: an AI brain module version of nosecone

[dawn cairn]

planned

[tall hamlet]

greenhouse module. it consumes CO2, water and maybe dirt/fertilizer, and produces 2-4 dupes of oxygen and some food, you have to provide a seed after initial construction, seed determines food gained and any extra material inputs needed

[graceful slate]

May you please clarify questions I have regarding the Advanced rocket platform. I am trying to set up automatic fueling of rockets with ribbon and so far I have faced these issues:

1. Rocket platform sets fuel and oxidizer as checked though amount of them is not maximum of what I have set (for example 580kg of 900kg of hydrogen and 145kg of 225kg is considered sufficient)

2. Rocket platform sets cargo manifest to false with rocket not present and if rocket has no fuel/oxidizer hence if at least one of rockets is not present fueling loop will continue to run

Maybe addition of polarity settings to Advanced rocket platform bits will solve those?

[dawn cairn]

The checks are the same that are run for the side screen checklist.

Fuel and oxidizer checks are dependent on the distance it has to travel iirc

[graceful slate]

Yes I am aware, but that list is not specific regarding some entries 🙁 like fuel and oxidizer

I have checked the destination distance statement and you are correct. Unfortunately 🙁 auto fueling will not work. Thanks

[dawn cairn]

Why wouldnt it?

It fuels up to the roundtrip distance or a single trip distance when that input override bit is set

That covers all automated roundtrip route fueling situations

[graceful slate]

I prefer to have a fully fueled rockets

[dawn cairn]

It makes literally no difference

It just changes where the excess fuel is stored

[graceful slate]

If new destination is further then there will be not enough fuel for trip and I would have to wait

[final vine]

you can set a sensor after the fuel port to see when the tanks are full

[graceful slate]

Interesting approach

[final vine]

vanilla is the best mod

[dawn cairn]

No, the checks always run for the destination; if that changes, the fuel theesholds in the check do so as well

And roundtrip only work between 2 destinations

[graceful slate]

Correct, it starts fueling again.

[dawn cairn]

So either it is reachable within the max fuel limit or not

If it is; then the rocket will fuel up as much as needed

And that happens only when you change the target, which is something you rarely do with automation controlled rockets; since those are meant to run mining/shipping autonomously without interaction; aka on static routes

[graceful slate]

Ok, I see

[final vine]

Bio engine that is fueled by water + kcal

The engine design could be like a moo

Exhaust could be polluted oxygen or natural gas/sour gas

[graceful slate]

Radbolt chamber module cannot maintain its content without sun light and radbolts decay crazily fast. Since it has no power plug it is impossible to prevent radbolt decay in the night for example

[maiden geyser]

You can connect you power grid to solar panel or rocket battery, I think both will work

[graceful slate]

Nope, that did not work, I have tested

[strong badger]

I came up with the Biobot Module, which is like a rover module for biobots that can land on uneven surfaces...

[raven oasis]

Dumb Idea : Shine Bug Reactor Module.

[feral musk]

just a seperate bio reactor mod and a natural gas engine would work better tbh

[dawn cairn]

Bio reactor is in RL: chemical Processing biochemistry

[feral musk]

How about the natural gas engine?

[dawn cairn]

that has been in the mod for years

[feral musk]

That's my bad then

[dawn cairn]

mixture of a natgas generator and 3 gas stoves in design

[strong badger]

hmm... maybe I can put some sour gas boiler output into a nat gas rocket
(As if you can't ranch the sulfur into sucrose, or lower the temps to get petroleum...)

[strong badger]

a couple notes:
1: Advanced rocket platforms take 100kg more than normals, making it harder to constructo n land
2: Are normal and advanced platforms still immune to comets?
3: Why are the normal platform's ports in the center again?

[dawn cairn]

1. intentional.
2. they can get buried by meteors. meteor damage cannot be enabled for rocket buildings
3. never were

[strong badger]

I thought there was a balance change that made the rocket ports move to the side...

[dawn cairn]

no. that was only ever on the added platforms to not break logic ports on existing builds