#After the events of Loki S2, do you thin...
neat nimbus
tacit igloo
honestly? no i dont think so. i think he stopped something worse from happening, he stopped the multiverse from unraveling. but stopping a dam from collapsing because it'd wash you away doesn't mean you're a good person, it means you have survival instincts
dull violet
the reason he did it though was specifically to save others, not just himself… he sacrificed his autonomy and future to hold the timelines together for the benefit of those he loved
stopping a dam from collapsing by personally standing in the crack for eternity simply for your loved ones does, indeed, make you a good person imo
tacit igloo
but does it make you good enough of a person to be deemed worthy by mjolnir?
the other avengers have their shortcomings, but they're all superheroes and generally considered good people, but only cap (pure good incarnate) and thor (primary wielder of the hammer) are able to lift it
oh and vision, but he's powered by a magical space stone that compels him to see the good in everyone and is also a machine who is able to not be biased
trim latch
I agree with @dull violet. To me it's more of a redemption arc for Loki.
tacit igloo
this loki never had the redemption of saving asgard from ragnarok
remember this specific loki was plucked from the timeline right after the first avengers movie
at this point he's tried to kill thor countless times, tried to overthrow asgard (first thor movie), led an invasion and attempted genocide against earth after killing a few guys earlier in the movie
id say he's evening his scales but not to the level of being worthy of wielding the hammer
but if he's the god of stories i suppose he can warp reality to his whim
odd hatch
this loki never had the redemption of saving asgard from ragnarok
Thats a good point
Honestly this cant be answered by basic yes/no
hexed venture
I mean he did save the whole multiverse and everyone in it
odd hatch
True
tacit igloo
I mean he did save the whole multiverse and everyone in it
right but is one massively heroic act enough to cleanse all your sins?
I wouldn't say so
wanda and Pietro were instrumental in helping the Avengers defeat Ultron, but because they helped him up to that point he almost had a fully vibranium body and the destruction was as thorough as it was because they nearly brought his plan to fruition
if they hadn't helped him from the start, Sokovia wouldn't have ever been destroyed I'd argue, because they would've found Ultron, Tony would've eventually found JARVIS again and it would play out the same way but JARVIS would shut Ultron down digitally, and Sokovia would've been saved
hushed badge
I don’t think Loki is worthy to wield Mjolnior I don’t think he’s worthy at all because he has the most powerful responsibility of holding the entire timeline. He may be the most powerful mist of God of all time, but I don’t think he’s worthy of the wheel the hammer just yet.
crude trellis
blazing shadow
I respect loki
mental fox
right but is one massively heroic act enough to cleanse all your sins?
One heroic act isn't enough, but one could argue that throughout the events of the two seasons, Loki changed his ways and values, I don't think the hammer judges you on your actions, but more on who you are, if you are willing to sacrifice yourself for others, etc...
I think that at the end of the show, Loki isn't arrogant anymore, and he cares about others, or at least his friends. I'd say that we can still argue over if he is worthy or not, but I don't think we need to consider his precedent sins or just one heroic act, but what he truly became as a person.
tacit igloo
One heroic act isn't enough, but one could argue that throughout the events of t...
I mean Tony sacrificed himself to save the entire universe in Endgame, and the only time we saw him try to lift the hammer he didn't get it. Even with a max power glove thruster and Rhodey doing the same thing with him. The only people who've lifted the hammer (on-screen) are Steve (heart of gold forever), Vision (an AI that can't see biases and sees the best in everyone), and Thor (the primary wielder of the hammer)
wild fossil
He could, because he is willing to sacrifice himself for those he loves.
mental fox
I mean Tony sacrificed himself to save the entire universe in Endgame, and the o...
Tony always had his flaws as a person, but past flaws doesn't count, as thor proved in his movie in 2011. The fact that this Loki was basically a genocidal villain not long ago doesn't count to the hammer, only who he'd become. At the end of the show he isn't arrogant anymore and is willing to do anything for his friends, that's what the hammer account for, and I'd say it isn't enough, but it's up to debate
hexed venture
right but is one massively heroic act enough to cleanse all your sins?
Ok if that is true people that have lifted the hammer have also sinned too but they were able to lift the hammer, like in Thor when Thor sacrificed himself to end the destroyer from destroying the town. That was a heroic act. And before you say he has never sinned big time Thor started a war with the frost giants and Asgard.
tacit igloo
Ok if that is true people that have lifted the hammer have also sinned too but t...
and then immediately after starting that war he became unworthy. although I will say I have issues with how Thor seemingly is deemed worthy for things that would make other mortals unworthy
I think Thor gets a pass, that's why I state the only reason he can wield it is because it was made for him and he's its primary wielder
because he absolutely doesn't fit the strict criteria of being pure of heart that Cap and Vision need to be to hold it
fast spade
Hammer doesn’t work like that
You don’t become worthy when a bunch of fans like your show
odd hatch
Honestly idk exactly what the criteria is
minor basin
The basis of my understanding of what it takes to hold mjolner is that you have to be everything that a good person is. So with that being said, Loki has changed his morals and doesn't think in same way. If given the chance to relive his life, based on the end of Loki season 2, I think he would be more humble, less emotional, and have his priorities in order. Even though he still has an immoral past, forgiving himself and those that he knew would allow him to not just nudge the hammer, but fully pick it up with his newfound hope in himself to move forward despite his internal wounds.
fast spade
The basis of my understanding of what it takes to hold mjolner is that you have ...
Nah
You don’t have to be a “good person”
You have to be a good and worthy king and warrior
Spider-Man couldn’t be worthy cause he is against killing
Cap and Thor are willing to kill if it is needed
sturdy siren
Tbh I think Loki really proved himself in season 2 that he can be trust worthy, I believe that in order to be "worthy" of the hammer you have to prove yourself and be good (sorry idk how to explain it but I hope u get what I mean) and in the show, Loki gains people's trust and saves the multiverse eventually turning into a tree..