Review: Daredevil: Doing Time by Mythologic

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Thread for discussing Daredevil: Doing Time, reviewed by Mythologic!

[swift linden]

Still not the ratings I’d give it but I’m glad to see you enjoyed this arc a bit more than the previous ones!

[jaunty spoke]

I mean it'd probably have been an 8 if Chechetto had been on the whole time. Hawthornes art is not bad but i would just prefer Marco. And my instinct/memory was right, i do enjoy the Elektra parts more than Chips writing of Matt. Also for a tie-in the Knull issues were not bad at all I thought.

[swift linden]

Wow, I’m happy to hear that! Yeah Chechetto cooks, understandable that a different artist took away from the experience

Having the same thing a little with Taylor Nightwing, it’s very apparent when Redondo is not doing the art

[jaunty spoke]

You could pretty much say that for a lot of this run/my scores, whenever Marco steps off it immediately is a worse book with worse art (no shade on Mobili or Hawthorne it just is what it is lol). I still have qualms w/ Zdarsky's writing but def enjoy the Elektra parts the most of anything so far. I think it also helps that many of Chip's OC's like Stromwyns, Cole North, and Izzy Libris have been on the back burner. It feels like a DD book again w/ Elektra actually protecting Hells Kitchen instead of whatever Matt was doing the last 25 issues (Catholic Guilt Tripping i guess)

[swift linden]

Yeah that’s fair, I liked Cole but the Stromwyns are mostly just a Kingpin variation and imo a bit bland, same with Izzy

Also I haven’t yet written my reviews but I thought you’d be happy to know that I much more enjoy how Milla is written by Brubaker

[jaunty spoke]

yeah thats why i didnt want to talk to you too much about Milla yet either, Bendis left a lot that Brubaker picked up and ran with (like Prison and the rest of the Milla relationship). We'll see how you feel when you finish Brubaker's run

[swift linden]

Yeah I’m taking a small break from DD but instantly I noticed that Brubaker fixed a lot of the issues I had with Bendis’ run

[jaunty spoke]

Brubaker is really great, i feel like his and Waid's runs have gotten slightly underrated in past years in overall discourse

[swift linden]

Brubaker definitely, I think it’s also just a bit tricky bc even though I do really enjoy it, I wouldn’t be that quick to recommend it bc you do kinda need to have read the Bendis run, you can’t really read it on its own

Waid I feel is rated pretty accurately, everyone who talks about it seems to like it

It’s in my top 3 DD runs for sure

[jaunty spoke]

Its still loved but i mean moreso like people dont really talk about these 2 runs as much as they used to like 10 years ago.

which is fair, they were more recent back then

but i think they hold up very well

[swift linden]

Hmmm yeah that sounds reasonable, I think indeed just time going over it is probably the cause

[jaunty spoke]

people like to discuss the hot new thing

[swift linden]

I mean I feel like we’re hearing a lot less about Zdarsky DD too than a few years ago

And Ahmed wasn’t liked so we didn’t really hear much about that either XD

Like actually Phillips is the first time in a couple years I’ve seen a rise in DD talk outside of like you and me and the other regular people we talk with

[jaunty spoke]

i mean most DD comic discourse for the last few years was complaining about Ahmed's run, and us getting a few side things like more Elektra DD and Cold Day in Hell from Soule.

[swift linden]

Oh yeah Cold Day in Hell was pretty big too

[jaunty spoke]

Soule is actually huge, his Omnibus was the #1 requested in this big YouTuber poll, and apparently they give these lists to Marvel and they reprint 90% of it. It even beat out Ennis Punisher MAX which is a consistently top requested Omni https://youtu.be/l4GnTyiS810?si=RI9KemxiT3GrLTcW

[swift linden]

Actually a little surprising to me, I remember a couple years ago it was considered mid here

[jaunty spoke]

i didnt realize people loved his run THAT much. Like ive even seen some people be kinda divisive on it online

[swift linden]

In DD terms at least

[jaunty spoke]

Marvel also reprinted it in small versions and DD:BA has taken A LOT from his run to, so maybe its more popular than it seems online.

i definitely dont think its mid, i rate it higher than Zdarskys run

[swift linden]

Yeah that was my view too, heck even I’m a bit divisive on the run myself, and I’m only 1 person!

[swift linden]

Yeah you know I don’t but valid enough :)

[jaunty spoke]

maybe you'll feel differently when you re-read 😉

[swift linden]

Idk I think I liked the run on its own, but it just changed too much without explanation. Suddenly Blindspot is there, suddenly he’s back in NYC, suddenly he has his bar license back, suddenly he works for the DA, suddenly his identity is secret again, most of it unexplained (at least for a while)

So if you don’t consider Waid’s run it’s pretty good, but following that and making all these changes out of nowhere actually had me thinking I skipped an entire run

I genuinely triple checked

[jaunty spoke]

i liked all the new stuff he added like: Mayor Fisk, Muse, police coming after DD, Blindspot, etc. Felt like a lot of fresh stuff while also a return to status quo DD back in Hells Kitchen

[swift linden]

Also his side books were not that good (DD/punisher, that Wolverine event tie-in)

[jaunty spoke]

also it is explained

thru the Purple Children

[swift linden]

Muse is goated shit and don’t get me wrong I like Blindspot quite a bit (hope we get to see more of him soon), my issue isn’t necessarily with the changes but moreso with how he went about implementing these changes

[jaunty spoke]

it sort of undid a lot of previous stuff which is jarring but it also established the basis for everything that came afterwards like Zdarskys run which you love

[swift linden]

Which is the fourth arc of the run, for 3 full arcs you just kinda have to accept it. Even then, purple children didn’t explain all those points, and even the points it did explain imo it didn’t always do in a satisfying way

[jaunty spoke]

I think thats definitely the hang up ppl have w/ Soules run for sure

but for me i fw a lot of what he was doing. He did Mayor Fisk and the police parts waaaaay better than Zdarsky did IMO. also had better villains if we compare Muse to the Stromwyns

[swift linden]

To me it very much read like Soule wanted to write his very specific version of DD that did not align at all with where Waid left the character, so Soule just didn’t give a shit and wrote his view of DD anyways. Purple Children to me felt like an afterthought that he was forced to write

(Not saying this is how it went, just saying that’s the vibe I got while reading his run)

Hence my stance of, I did really enjoy the run, I just don’t like how it went about continuity. If you take it on its own I think it’s a lot better than when you consider this to have happened right after Waid

[swift linden]

Fair, he definitely did that very well

[jaunty spoke]

i mean thats just the nature of comics. Not everybody is Brubaker who is gonna immediately take on all the baggage of the previous run, they have their own stories they want to tell which i respect.

[swift linden]

True, but I’ve never read such a drastic shift as this

[jaunty spoke]

maybe he could have transitioned more smoothly tho

[swift linden]

Like he changed everything about DD’s life and mental status

Even the things he added himself, like just suddenly being a DA and just out of nowhere having a sidekick

[jaunty spoke]

I mean its not that big of a leap, Foggy was the DA back in DD #48 for example. It happens

i think we're supposed to just take it as a time skip

between Waid and Soule's runs

[swift linden]

I guess but idk just didn’t really feel right to me, especially since he didn’t even reference the Waid run or hint at Matt even having gone through all these changes until Purple Children