Did you enjoy the humour in She-Hulk: Attorney At Law?

[livid valley]

Ehhh.. shrug.. could be in between..

[dusky junco]

The humour was too far stretched and unnecessary at times

[livid valley]

Most these shows are getting outcasted now and likely won’t come back

[rough walrus]

Ya

[odd yew]

Daredevil episodes were enjoyable rest of the show was so forgetable

[worthy spindle]

uses SpongeBob's long notes of stuff

[rough walrus]

I'm talking mrvl discord with dc tag 😭😭

[livid valley]

True

Liked the suit too

[rough walrus]

Fr

[civic plover]

The show itself was good, I just hated the humor

[rough walrus]

They could've reused it a bit

[livid valley]

They had a missed opportunity to prob find a way to make hulk go back to savage hulk and continue that arc for brand new day

[rough walrus]

Ya strong agree

[odd yew]

I liked everything related to Daredevil in that show but that's the point it was the she hulk show

[rough walrus]

They needed hulk to make she hulk looks strong 💀💀

[viscid pebble]

i just didnt like she hulk

the humour was ahh

[native oxide]

I liked the humor fine, but I wish the laywer and superhero sides of She-Hulk got developed a bit better.

[livid valley]

Man even Deadpool would be better

[rough walrus]

Ya

Mb

[shell wadi]

because

[rough walrus]

Man so may ppl voted in 5 mins

Dang

[odd yew]

I also hated it how writers admitted they don't know how to write a law based show still they were writing she Hulk who was a literal lawyer

[rough walrus]

Ya

Disney forced em

To produce a LOT

[mental needle]

Aren’t half of their employees lawyers?

[vast moth]

That show was ass

[livid valley]

Why would marvel hire people who don’t know how to do it

[boreal cradle]

bad show w/ bad humour

[odd yew]

What when?

[rough walrus]

Disney made them do like 5 projects at a time, they were too strained

[livid valley]

Oh yeah.. and then were was…

Kang.

[rough walrus]

Fr

[viscid pebble]

.

[odd yew]

w/bad writting

[mental needle]

Idk, seemed logical enough given the studio they are now

[novel tulip]

Breh

[vast moth]

It was ass bro 😭

[livid valley]

They failed to build him up and most of these show characters probably would’ve been in that movie but yeah now they got wasted

[rough walrus]

Ya fr

[boreal cradle]

yup

[novel tulip]

Bad everything 😭

[rough walrus]

Some if em could've been done better

[mental needle]

Don’t get me wrong, I was looking forward to this show, but it was very…nothing.

[vast moth]

Then all the shit the actor who played she hulk was getting into

[livid valley]

She literally crashed out over daredevil one time pretty sure

[vast moth]

Yep

[odd yew]

It was from MCU's quantity over quality era

[rough walrus]

Ya

[rough walrus]

That's what I'm saying

[boreal cradle]

sad times

[vast moth]

She also crashed out over deadpool and wolverine

[random cosmos]

Literally just watched it for daredevil 🥲

[rough walrus]

Disney....

[random cosmos]

And he had the mustard suit lol

[odd yew]

Me too and that show had literally nothing else to offer

[rough walrus]

Ya

Agreed

[mental needle]

…then there’s Skaar

[rough walrus]

They were promoting the twerk 💀💀💀

Wjat u expect

[high pasture]

I’m just bot a big fan of when big shows/movies/etc. try to be “current” but get it reallyyy bad

[shy zenith]

dude my little cousin watched the whole think somehow 😭 she’s like 9

[mental needle]

They massacred that man, dawg what was that cut he had on

[odd yew]

Very forgetable like the rest of the show

[mental needle]

A superhero lawyer show could’ve worked as fun downtime from the chaos, but we didn’t get that and Jen is just…the worst

[odd yew]

Phase 4 were really sad times for the MCU

[vast moth]

That 17 votes

[mental needle]

Also, Smart Hulk was in this show and I feel my life essence drain every time I remember

[odd yew]

Hulk was sidelined as always

[rugged urchin]

I watched 1 episode, the humor was very dry and more like that "lmao quirky" style and at the end I was skipping 10 seconds, literally making it end quicker

[vast moth]

They try to make the humor like deadpool

[mental needle]

Speaking of Deadpool

[solemn dagger]

Worst MCU show ever, maybe even worse MCU project ever. Nuff said

[cyan mango]

It was stupidly funny

[keen kayak]

ts was hilarious idk what u guys are on about

[cyan mango]

It was girlhood fr

[mental needle]

idk. I've seen worse. Of course, this is not good. But still, I've seen a lot worse

[cyan mango]

tbf both characters do break the fourth wall in the comics

[leaden burrow]

not even close

[solemn dagger]

🧢🧢🧢

[nocturne harness]

I personaly realy didny enjoy the show, i think its the only marvel show ive actualy dropped, tho i havent watched all the marvel shows tbf

[clever axle]

The only show I thought was awful was hawkeye

For me the humor in this show sometimes hit. Sometimes didn't

[nocturne harness]

I enjoyed hawkeye but i get disliking it

Wasnt a show id wanna rewatch tho

[clever axle]

I just hate hawkeye as a Character and his whole didnt improve him at all. She Hulk gets hatred for way less

[nocturne harness]

I think as a character hes ok but out of alll the other characters i dont find him that interesting

[clever axle]

I think he's awful. Bland personality, random family, pointless cliche Ronin storyline, lame weapon, lame costume

[twilit vortex]

It was frankly a bad show and not well written at all. The humor is made by people that don’t even understand humor itself

[clever axle]

She Hulk?

[twilit vortex]

Yeah

[clever axle]

I disagree

[twilit vortex]

It’s what the polls about

[clever axle]

I think it was a decent show

[nocturne harness]

Thats fair, he is very bland

[clever axle]

I think some of the legal stuff was uneven

[clever axle]

Ikr

[twilit vortex]

It very much wasn’t

Just a giant bundle of disrespect on all corners of the marvel universe

[clever axle]

Thats so hyperbolic

[twilit vortex]

If only he was comic accurate. He would’ve been fun

[nocturne harness]

He just feels bland in a way where i dont have strong opinions on him since i domt realy care for him

[nocturne harness]

True

[dense temple]

i said no bc i didnt watch it lol

[clever axle]

It was comics accurate

[twilit vortex]

Not Hawkeye no

[twilit vortex]

Welcome to language

[clever axle]

I mistyped. I was trying to say he wasn't. So I was agreeing

[clever axle]

Im tired of hyperbole

This damn fandom acts like its exaggerated claims are the truth

[twilit vortex]

Then yes we agree. I responded too quick my bad

[clever axle]

Np

[rare void]

Felt like I was forced to laugh

[clever axle]

I thought thr abomination episode was funny

Some of the side characters were annoying

[rare void]

The humor was. Dunno how to explain it but
Trying so hard for the appeal of Gen z folks

[clever axle]

What?

I dont recall much gen z slang in it

[rare void]

Can't explain it

[clever axle]

Well it doesnt really make sense to me tbh

Plus as least its not the tired boomer nostalgia of many mcu entries

[rare void]

I'm trying to say it didn't fit into marvel much and some stuff in the show wasn't really necessary

[clever axle]

uneccesary how?

i mean, some of the side plots didn't exactly go much of anywhere

but what I kinda liked was it was low stakes without being just another vigilante punching mobster

[rare void]

Celebrity cameos for no reason

[clever axle]

wasn't it just one cameo?

i mean, it was kinda goofy yeah

nothing necessarily awful imo

[blissful panther]

This show was a mistake

[clever axle]

that's ridiculous

[rare void]

Romance subplot that fizzled the Matt/shehulk flirt thing was… kinda pointless

[twilit vortex]

Well frankly, when the majority of a project is bad and stresses certain points of ill-quality, the small remaining percent that is just sub par isn’t going to be looked at as good in any way

It was horrible with Jen, horrible with Bruce, horrible with Emil, and Skarr was… something. Titania too was just so off and almost needless. Matt was just fun just cause it was Matt but bias for DD aside he was just thrown in for the heck of it

Intelligencia was also ruined by it

And frankly, this show suffers from something the MCU over all suffers from. Not being able to have Hulk solo stories. Not that it’s something the show can do anything about but heads of the MCU should ask a She Hulk show to introduce Skarr at the very end out of nowhere with no Hulk content or context

[clever axle]

what majority? MCU fans hate everything new

[rare void]

Random CGI moments

[clever axle]

all they do is complain now

[reef flax]

I think it was a pretty alright adaptation of the She-Hulk comics by Byrne

[clever axle]

you're just saying 'it's horrible.' how?

the cgi was mid, yeah I agree there

[clever axle]

i think one of the writers of the comics said it was accurate.

if you just say 'majority hates it so it's bad'. you're just telling anyone who disagrees to shut up. That's not fair

[reef flax]

Yeah, I read the comics myself. I think they captured the essence of those comics, but they were kinda limited by budget

[twilit vortex]

Of the show
Not of the new projects

And frankly most new projects had low quality. Including ones with old characters so that doesn’t fit your analogy.

Shang Chi was great I am still sad he didn’t get a trilogy.
I am one of the rare people that thinks Eternals sequels could’ve been good
Thunderbolts and FF were great

[clever axle]

i think maybe she didn't need to be in she hulk form all the time. it defintely stretched the budget

[clever axle]

no they didnt have low quality. y'all just compain

the old mcu wasn't always that great either

[reef flax]

I wish the commentary on the MCU itself just needed to be pulled off a bit better

[clever axle]

people just like the generic 'white hero due punches nazi/robot/alien' plots

[vast moth]

Im well aware

[clever axle]

i see what you mean. I think it kinda worked-ish

[twilit vortex]

They actively had low quality
Admitted by the people who made them

[clever axle]

no they didn't. you took a few comments out of context

[rare void]

It was pretty bad

[clever axle]

i'm honestly tired of the 'muh MCU after Endgame sucks' crowd

it's all the same generic 'ain't waht it used to be' comments

[reef flax]

I think the ending was actually pretty solid, there just wasn't enough set-up for the big dumb CGI battle. They should've tackled the other parts of the MCU

[rare void]

THANK YOU for saying this

[clever axle]

hmm, i understand

[clever axle]

ikr!

it's all the same 'muh low qualilty' yeah because First Avneger & Thor 1 were epics

people didn't constantly whine back then about how 'samey' they all were then

[twilit vortex]

No I did not

Low cgi time from being rushed
Bad writing that broke its own continuity
Ruining characters fans wanted to see done right from the comics
Made a joke of themselves and wasn’t serious at all
Preferred quantity over quality

[clever axle]

now they're more varied and fans want the old stuf fback

[reef flax]

Like, I DEFINITELY appreciated that she literally broke out of her own TV show and asked the writers to change it. That is quite literally straight out of the comics

[clever axle]

another buzzword 'quanity over quality'. only thing taht really applies to is the CGI

what continuity are you even talking about

what characters?

it's all just vague whining

[reef flax]

Her breaking the 4th wall to solve the plot is also part of the comics as well. So I don't get why people said it was "too much"

[clever axle]

Ikr. Idk either

they like when deadpool does it but she did it over a decade earlier

[reef flax]

And quite frankly, she did it better

[twilit vortex]

They all apply to various movies post Shang Chi

And labeling something as a buzzword just because it’s a problem a lot of people point out doesn’t magically make the problem disappear

[clever axle]

ouch

[reef flax]

I say this as a Deadpool fan btw

[clever axle]

it's not magically a problem just because a lot of people whine about it either

[twilit vortex]

Doctor Strange 2
Thor 4

These were the biggest ones
Ant Man 3 had its issues as well

[clever axle]

i feel they're different enough

[clever axle]

what are you even talking about?

again you're just complaining

the first ant-man was the most direspectful. towards Hank but espeically Jan

y'all gave it a pass because of 'muh phase 2'

[twilit vortex]

I agree 100%

[clever axle]

ok at least we can agree there

[twilit vortex]

No I very much dislike what the MCU has done with Ant Man

Both
And Janet

And then they made an oc

[reef flax]

I appreciate it when Deadpool breaks the fourth wall to complain about a stupid plot decision, but sometimes it's just "ha ha, Deadpool knows he's in a comic, please laugh"

[clever axle]

?

[clever axle]

ohh

[twilit vortex]

Hope

[clever axle]

i've mostly just read DP in X-men appears

[clever axle]

well, she's not exactly an OC. she exists in the comics. just in the MC2 universe

she was never 616

if that's what you mean

[twilit vortex]

Frankly a lot of old MCU was annoying as a comics fan

[reef flax]

I just want the 4th Wall breaking to mean something

[clever axle]

yeah i get that

ig it depends on whether you think of DP as more of a joke character or a jokey serious one

[reef flax]

When Deadpool is written correctly, his belief that we're all in a comic plays into his nihilism and disconnect from reality. And it can also be done right when you want to use Deadpool to parody something or make commentary

[twilit vortex]

The MCU has massively underdone Thor and his entire mythos for a long long time now unfortunately

So many things that would’ve been cool and great to see explored were just never touched

[reef flax]

But if the joke just is "Deadpool knows he's in a comic, let's have him say something meta!" (Which happens a lot) it's pretty bad

[clever axle]

for me I think they should've added BRB

[ripe mica]

hot take but if the show was "He-Hulk" instead of she hulk everyone would like it

[clever axle]

i don't disagree

well idk about 'everyone'

but some people

heck, the show literally called those people out

[ripe mica]

yeah most people only hate it because she's a girl

there are VERY valid criticisms

[twilit vortex]

Probably not no

[ripe mica]

i didn't love the show tbh but it's not THAT bad

[clever axle]

yeah

[twilit vortex]

If we’re talking general populace they just don’t care about what the shows mission or intentions are

[reef flax]

I think most people also miss that She-Hulk isn't written to be a flawless Mary Sue. In fact, they often miss the point of ENTIRE SCENES

[clever axle]

can we stop pretending we know what the general populace wants?

[twilit vortex]

If it was a he hulk that had a big fight every episode then they’d love it

[clever axle]

people complain about mary sues but they want mary sues. just not female ones

[ripe mica]

mcu fans vs media literacy

[twilit vortex]

This argument can be made in any direction

[clever axle]

heck, the whole secret id is basically a mary sue

[ripe mica]

same mfs who like iron man btw

[clever axle]

meaning what

[ripe mica]

a how for everyone is a show for nobody

[clever axle]

heck captain america is a big mary sue in Civil war. i loathe the mary sue term but it's way more applicable for male heroes

[reef flax]

Like that one scene where she argues with Bruce about her having more control over her anger issues than him, SHE LITERALLY GETS MAD AND TURNS INTO SHE-HULK AND PROVES HERSELF WRONG! THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE SCENE!!!

[twilit vortex]

My favorites are Baldur and Mangog but they will likely never see the light of day

Baldur came close apparently

[clever axle]

yeah it's like people wnat these shows to be more generic

[clever axle]

yeah that's unfortunate.

thor just has a lot of supporting characters

[twilit vortex]

Anyone saying “most people would’ve…” etc, this can be used no matter what the next words are

[reef flax]

Oh yeah, the MCU underbaked a lot of its worldbuilding honestly

[clever axle]

people getting triggered by that are ridiculous. yet you point out hte Ronin storyline was racist and they call you too sensitive

[clever axle]

well that's why I don't say 'most people' in most cases

[ripe mica]

i miss when people realized that not every character has to be likeable

[twilit vortex]

We barely got anything of the 9 realms in 4 Thor movies 😭😭😭

[clever axle]

some are fine with unlikeable characters if it's their kind of unlikeable

[ripe mica]

that's why i like iron heart so much tbh she's not supposed to be perfect in fact if you imagine iron heart as an anti-hero/villain origin it's WAY better

[reef flax]

We got like 3 of the 9 realms, and two of them were Midguard and Asguard 😭

[clever axle]

iron heart at least had a different motivation than 'a mobster/thief killed my dad'

[reef flax]

People miss the point that Riri literally suffers the same flaw that Tony did: pride

[clever axle]

plus she wasn't really shown to be a hero

[clever axle]

yeah

[twilit vortex]

I was responding to someone that did so

[ripe mica]

people always point out the "Would tony stark be tony stark without money" scene and they genuinely take that scene so out of context it makes me mad

[clever axle]

like I didn't think everything in iron heart worked but it was also overhated by the 'muh phase 1-3' crowd

[reef flax]

She acts the same exact way Tony did throughout a lot of the MCU. Taking any route she could to get to her end goal

[twilit vortex]

We got like 1 minute scenes in a couple realms but they weren’t explored like at all

[clever axle]

they don't want to admit most of the main superheores are privileged people who didn't really earn their powers

[reef flax]

THE POINT IS THAT SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHO TONY ACTUALLY IS

SHE MISSES THE POINT BECAUSE SHE'S PRIDEFUL

Also, I'm not yelling at any of y'all, I'm just frustrated by a lack of media literacy

[clever axle]

no i understand

[reef flax]

SHIELD is also so, so, SO wasted in the MCU it's not even funny. So was Hydra

[clever axle]

i actually kinda feel my biggest issue with Ironheart is that she's not that connected with the greater Iron Man mythos

[ripe mica]

people act like she's just dissing tony but it's because she was using unethical means to make money like tony did, like him or not

[clever axle]

they killed them off too quickly

[clever axle]

heck most superheroes have an unethical side

i think some fans just can't admit most main superheroes aren't really underdogs

[ripe mica]

even my goat spider-man thought of using crime to gain money in the og lee and ditko run

[reef flax]

Exactly! She's the same exact way he is! But for some reason people don't see that because she's a new character

[twilit vortex]

That’s the point of most heroes, is that they didn’t earn their powers and have to grow into it

Many of the earn it throughout their journeys.

One of the rare cases where a character earned it before is Cap

[ripe mica]

and because she's a girl

[reef flax]

And, unfortunately, I think part of it is because she's a black girl, yeah

[clever axle]

heck, he is a criminal himself. if you're a vigilante who fights other criminals, you're just a hypocrite, no matter how well intentioned

[twilit vortex]

Hydra? Shield? Bro what about AIM

HUGE waste

[clever axle]

maybe but they also appeal to a rather dated view of heroism sometimes

[reef flax]

Oh don't get me started 😭

[clever axle]

is AIM even around?

[ripe mica]

yeah on the one hand i think the law shouldn't be your only moral code, but yeah he's also breaking the law and fighting others who break the law

[reef flax]

The MCU works a lot better as an animated TV show

[ripe mica]

AIM's in the MCU???

[twilit vortex]

In Iron Man 3

[reef flax]

There, I said it

I'm tired of pretending it doesn't

[clever axle]

and tbh it's always a bit hypcoritical because superheroes always go after the crimes cops irl already go after. how often do they fight police abuse/hate crimes/corporate crimes/domestic abuse? much less often

it's mostly 'muh gangster/thief is out of control' narrative

[twilit vortex]

Disagree

[clever axle]

idk about that

[clever axle]

i meant like 'are they around now'?

IM3 kinda wasted AIM with a lame villain

[reef flax]

Hulk vs Wolverine, the 30 minute animated special has more world building and justice to both of the characters than they have been treated through like 2 decades of live-action story-telling

[clever axle]

hmm, I haven't seen it

but I do think they could do more worldbuilding

admittendlly it's hard to fit everything from the comics but still

[twilit vortex]

Yeah no like they were only there from my memory

MAYBE they had someone when Cross was showing off the Yellow Jacket suit but it was just to fill in a guy with a suit so it didn’t mean anything. Hydra was there too and they were supposed to be dismantled at that point

[reef flax]

It's not like, a masterpiece, but it feels like a comic put to screen. I would suggest seeing it

[floral halo]

She-Hulk did the fourth-wall breaking first

[clever axle]

yeah i thought it meant they were going to return later on. yet

[clever axle]

hmm ok

[floral halo]

If anything DP stole her thing

[twilit vortex]

The Hulk vs Thor one is great

[clever axle]

indeed. although Imo there's room for 2

i've seen clips of the planet hulk one with BRB

[twilit vortex]

More Thor mythos shown and respected in 10 minutes compared to MCU’s 4+ hours

[reef flax]

I watched the first episode of Earth's Mightiest Heroes. I see more of the comics in that first episode than like most of the movies in the MCU

[clever axle]

I agree thor's kinda been on the short end. heck we got more about the bland Widows than Thor

[twilit vortex]

Earth’s Mightiest Heroes is legitimately the greatest gift to comic fans anyone could ever make

Where else am I going to see the Griffin fight the Avengers

[clever axle]

indeed

[floral halo]

That's cause Christopher Yost was the showrunner

[floral halo]

and he along with Criag Kyle wrote one of the best X-force run

[reef flax]

Yelena is a better character in the MCU than Natasha ever was, unfortunately

[floral halo]

also co-created X-23

[twilit vortex]

And because of it there’s so many MCU fans/watchers/misinterpreters that trash on Thor when he is SO much more than we ever saw in the movies

[clever axle]

yelena is definitely better now but she's a little overrated imo. but i agree natasha is underused

[clever axle]

well there's too much misplaced negativity in this fandom and audiences in general

that said, I've kinda struggled personally to relate to overly Shakespearean Thor

i liked when he's a balance of serious and goofy

[reef flax]

I don't think she's super amazing, I just mean she actually had a personality outside of one-liners because the writers thought to give her depth

[twilit vortex]

Still mad that Ant-Man and Wasp weren’t founding members

It is actively hurting their characters even do this day 😭😭😭

They’ll never be in video games

[clever axle]

i think that happend in thunderbolts, but before that i found her kinda forced. She suddenly randomly important in Nat's backstory. suddenly halfway shows up in hawkeye with a pointless vendetta. even in thunderbolts she's liek the least interesting character to me

[clever axle]

no i agree on that. that's kinda why i don't care too much for the first 2 avengers movies as much as the next 2

they were way more disrespected

[twilit vortex]

Stark Ultron is the worst thing that’s ever happened

[reef flax]

The Hawkeye vendetta was a bit illogical, but she missed her sister I suppose

[twilit vortex]

They just wanted her to appear in another project lol

[reef flax]

My goat Hank Pym has become relegated to old stock character 😔

[clever axle]

hard for me to care when they already fridged Nat for Clint before Yelena was even adapted

[clever axle]

plus it made tony regress

[reef flax]

Yeah that was definitely fridging

[clever axle]

and Jan just be gone for 1.5 movies

[twilit vortex]

They even aged him up in the comics after the MCU

So damn annoying

[reef flax]

True lol

[clever axle]

for the worst Avenger

[reef flax]

I like Scott Lang, but I just really, REALLY miss the original Ant-Man

[clever axle]

no reason they couldn' thave both

if we can get z list red guardian in the mcu

[reef flax]

Once again, have to shout out Earth's Mightiest Heroes for doing it right

Truly a gift of a show

[twilit vortex]

I mean Tony being in any movies after Iron Man 3 is regression in some way

[reef flax]

Tony's journey was pretty messy

[clever axle]

eh idk i thought the ending in Im3 kinda sucked anyways. they were never going to retire him anyways by that point

imo tony got on the right track from civil war onwards

[twilit vortex]

I don’t even like Scott Lang. I like the concept of him but he has never done anything interesting for me to like him for him and not just the idea of him on paper

[reef flax]

That's fair

[clever axle]

i don't mind scott in the MCU. i jus tdon't think he had to come at Hank's & Jan's expense

[twilit vortex]

We should’ve had Scott maybe like now

In this era of the next avengers

[clever axle]

well maybe in phase 2/3

[twilit vortex]

But who knows what they’re resetting anyway

[clever axle]

starting then

[twilit vortex]

If we keep the first Ant Man movie post avengers then probably later

But if we move up the timeline in general and have Ant Man 1 before Avengers 1 then I could see it
I think I’d like it in the third maybe?
And Hank turning into Yellow Jacket around that time too?

[clever axle]

i feel 1st ant man & wasp should've been in phase 1

2nd in phase 2 which introduces scott lang

[twilit vortex]

I feel like the second movie is too early to introduce the “successor”

[clever axle]

idk i don't think of him too much as a successor

if hank becomes giant man instead

[glacial mural]

what kind of humor is that bro

even trying hard to find something funny, i couldnt laugh

[clever axle]

idk i found it funny when Jen was sarcastic

her friend was kinda annoying though

[twilit vortex]

But Ant Man sadly suffers from not having that many great villains too
I imagine he could steal AIM from others since they cross paths a few times

[clever axle]

imo a lot of superheroes do

even Iron man has b-list at best

same with captain amervel, black panther (c-list at best)

[twilit vortex]

I mean he (sadly) is. In all the definitions of it, he takes the name and all that. Becomes the new Ant Man

Then an Ant Man movie around a guy with a different name would be odd

I mean I don’t think it couldn’t work. It certainly could. I just personally think it would be easier pushed back one more movie

[clever axle]

i get what you mean, but I think if Hank became giant-man it wouldn't be too much of a problem. as long as they have different enough suits.

it's like Rhodey was Iron man before he bcame war machine

[twilit vortex]

Yeah I agree
Thor and Iron Man actually have a lot but they’re like low tier and nowhere near popular. Like Armored Adventures used them decently well but idk if they’d ever be in movies

[clever axle]

thor has at least Loki & Enchantress

iron man has what? Mandarin? Madame Masque?

[twilit vortex]

Yeah Thor has big names and small names

[clever axle]

yeah he has the biggest villain of any Avenger

captian america maybe has 1 (Red Skull) and the rest range from b to d list

[lucid spear]

Yeah I actually loved the show

[twilit vortex]

Iron Man has like 5 Reverse Flash types
Titanium Man
Iron Monger
Cobalt Man
The first couple Crimson Dynamo’s

Mandarin is probably the most popular of all his villains, then Monger and Masque is well liked within the Iron Man fandom itself ig

But people like Shriek and Unicorn aren’t gonna appear anywhere

[clever axle]

i liked it. maybe not loved it (some elements didn't workd for me)

[clever axle]

honestly idk why they all weren't just one villain so he'd actually build up his own Dr Doom level foe

instead of 5 of the same

imo every major solo hero should have one major villain

[lucid spear]

The kevin was a bit odd and i. Didnt like it the first time but I even liked that on rewatch

[twilit vortex]

Zemo is pretty big for what he does

Arnim is a bit below

Then he has the basic mercenary villains like Crossbones and Taskmaster but they fight anyone

[clever axle]

i liked it because it was so out there and not typical

[clever axle]

i'd say taskmaster is at least zemo if not higher since he does just show up anywhere

[reef flax]

Taskmaster was done so, SO badly by the MCU it's not even funny

[twilit vortex]

Certainly yes

[clever axle]

yeah i agree

[clever axle]

although imo they shoudl also have some stories which don't rely on just fighting villains

[twilit vortex]

Fair

[reef flax]

Even Thunderbolts realized it and shot her in the head first few minutes in 😔

[clever axle]

yeah that was cold

[twilit vortex]

Demon in a Bottle

The only great Iron Man story in a 30 year period (exaggerating)

[clever axle]

idk why they jsut didn't make her a mercenary who trains other mercenaries

[clever axle]

ouch bro

but yeah I think superheroes are flexible enough to not always just need to fight someone

plus heroism comes in many forms, not just combat

[twilit vortex]

Hopefully after Secret Wars we can have the real Tony Masters

[reef flax]

Iron Man fans when you ask them about a good Iron Man story that has happened after Demon in a Bottle:

[twilit vortex]

Finesse would be cool to see but I fear we’ll never get to that point

[twilit vortex]

Not just after but before too 😭

[reef flax]

😭

[twilit vortex]

He’s had good stories but when diab came out it was after a while of none good and then followed by none good

For another while

[reef flax]

"B-b-but Superior Iron Man" got retconned immediately after Secret Wars happened 😔

[clever axle]

he many not have iconic storylines but i think he's had some ok ones

[reef flax]

These are all jokes, I don't hate Iron Man

[clever axle]

lol

i mean, i agree he doesn't necessarily have a DOFP

[twilit vortex]

Ngl I didn’t care about superior Iron Man

But that could just be me

[reef flax]

I feel like Iron Man just needs a good writer and rogues gallery

[twilit vortex]

I liked Extremis (comics) and the first bit of Fraction’s run

[clever axle]

i feel like they could lean more on the science/tech side

[reef flax]

I think it was fine, but it was literally just ooooooh Iron Man's evil, oh no

[clever axle]

show him using his skills and resources for worldbuilding

ik he has but i'm thinking as the main plot

[twilit vortex]

Most marvel characters besides Spider-Man would benefit from getting 5~10 new interesting rogues

[clever axle]

at least 1 or 2.

kinda the issue is marvel doesnt really put that effort into everyone

[twilit vortex]

Hell I’ll take half of one at this point for somebody 😭

[clever axle]

just default to recycling cash cows

[clever axle]

lol

[twilit vortex]

I think Reptil is a cool character and could be really fun to see around more

Who else remembers shs

[rugged urchin]

I did only watch the first episode, but first impressions matter right? And from what I heard online, it didn't get any better

[clever axle]

ik reptil

[reef flax]

"My goat Howard the Duck's banger rogue's gallery such as Doctor Bong and the Beaver need to be appreciated more," I say as I'm thrown in a rubber room in a straightjacket. "I swear Howard the Duck is a complex character, I SWEAR!"

[clever axle]

idk what people want

[twilit vortex]

Don’t disrespect Doctor Bong

[clever axle]

no offense but you can't jsut take others opinoins online as gospel

some of these complaints of the recent shows/movies feel like straight up lies to me

[reef flax]

I'm a D1 Doctor Bong glazer, I have no idea where you thought I was disrespecting the goat

[clever axle]

who even is Dr Bong?

[twilit vortex]

My account use to be Doctor Bong themed

[rugged urchin]

...

[clever axle]

not what i expected

[twilit vortex]

Such a chad face

[rugged urchin]

OMG me too 😭😭😭😭

[clever axle]

lol

[reef flax]

I once did as well for a period

[twilit vortex]

#DoctorBong4MarvelRivals

[rugged urchin]

Yeah I know, but I don't know it just didn't feel right or something worth watching for me

Sorry

[reef flax]

#DrBong4MarvelRivals

[rugged urchin]

How dare she disrespect Doctor Bong

Oh my goodness

[reef flax]

My goat shall not be slandered

[rugged urchin]

Is She-Hulk a pro-verbal abuse activist?

[twilit vortex]

I mean if it didn’t it didn’t
You don’t have to watch every minute of every MCU project lol

If you’re alright skipping skip
At least you gave it a shot

[rugged urchin]

Yeah, plus the actress did leave Marvel, so I doubt we'll sadly see She-Hulk anytime in the future

[reef flax]

One of the only superivillain doctors with an actual medical pHD btw. IN PSYCHOLOGY!

[clever axle]

No its fine if you didnt find it works for you by watching it. Im just saying opinions online ar just opinions and dont sub that for your own experience

[twilit vortex]

I’m curious if they’ll recast her after Secret Wars

Honestly the biggest thing I’m hoping for is that somehow, SOMEHOW, Disney/marvel gains the abilities to make Hulk stuff again

[clever axle]

Lol

[twilit vortex]

Icl I never saw his green fit before I kinda like it

[reef flax]

Funniest thing is that he's a Howard the Duck villain and a Deadpool villain

[rugged urchin]

Yeah, a Hulk movie is in demand for a LONG time

[reef flax]

Love the Deadpool comic this is from, it's ridiculous

[twilit vortex]

I think I’m in the rare minority that liked the Incredible Hulk movie

[rugged urchin]

Can Doctor Bong help me realize, that I don't have to be a doctor like my abusive dad told me to be?

[twilit vortex]

Be prepared for a belle of a diagnosis

[rugged urchin]

Never watched it, but I did like the F4 Rise Of The Silver Surfer, so I may like it

[reef flax]

He can! He can also write an article so good it ruins your reputation

[rugged urchin]

Oh god... MY INTERNET CLOUT

[twilit vortex]

I wonder if they’d ever do A-Bomb or the U-Foes

[reef flax]

Ironically, one of Doctor Bong's lesser known "powers" is that he's really good at being a douchebag journalist

[rugged urchin]

oh no... hes an online modern redditor😭😭😭

[twilit vortex]

Precisely

[reef flax]

Yes, actually. Except he's actually smart

...Well

...Mostly

[rugged urchin]

Hahhaha

[unkempt spear]

The series was so lame I even forgot what happened there , let alone the humour 😭

[rugged urchin]

He does have a ball in his hand, so I'm guessing he bashes his head a lot

[twilit vortex]

I think Kevin is also trying to forget

[rugged urchin]

The only stuff ive seen from the series finale, is that She-Hulk visits Disney and has a talk with Kevin Feige

[unkempt spear]

I vouch 😆

[reef flax]

He also canonically cares for 8 kids that were grown from his toenail clippings by Beverley Switzler to distract him so that she could get out of their marriage

[unkempt spear]

Aaah, Kevin the camera bot

[rugged urchin]

What the

[reef flax]

Not an exaggeration

[clever axle]

I thought that was funny

[rugged urchin]

I mean, Kevin says the reason why the CGI looks bad and the script is underdeveloped is because they needed resources for Wakanda Forever...

Did KEVIN just basically state the reason the MCU had a fall off in the beginning of 2020's?

[twilit vortex]

He has said that Disney wanted them to bump up the number of projects because they wanted Disney plus to have a lot of stuff

[reef flax]

Sorry, 5 kids. Here's the article quote confirming it:

[twilit vortex]

I wouldn’t doubt She Hulk or DP projects having meta jabs at themselves or even their own higher ups

[reef flax]

"Switzler, however, surreptitiously used Bong's own laboratory to create five infant clones of the insane geneticist from one of Bong's nail clippings, which she called the Bong Quintuplets."

[rugged urchin]

that... is a sentence... of all time

[reef flax]

Switzler then confronted Bong and demanded that he spare Howard's life or else she would publicly accuse Bong of being a negligent father toward his children.

[rugged urchin]

wait, Bong was defeated... by THE THREAT OF PAYING CHILD SUPPORT??

[reef flax]

Yes!

[rugged urchin]

What is actually happening

What is art

[reef flax]

Dr. Bong is a good father though

He stepped up and made an invention for them to control their television programming

[twilit vortex]

I keep forgetting gifs aren’t allowed

[hearty jetty]

I hope they don’t make another season for she hulk

[eternal quiver]

I thought she was a decent show was fun. It was awesome yeah cool characters especially the abominations class meaning some other Marvel characters that probably won’t make it to the big screen, but it was cool to see them. Also seeing Wong as the sorcerer supreme was really cool.

[hearty jetty]

It was a good idea but they messed it up badly

[willow quartz]

Just too cringe. Some parts were ehh, others are like why 😭😭

[wispy wigeon]

It was too cringe

[stuck rock]

Dan Slott's She Hulk Attorney at Law was the definitive She Hulk. Byrne's version was wacky nonsense.

[midnight saddle]

Where's the "a little bit" or "sometimes" option?

guess I'll just pick yes

[obtuse thorn]

lwk dry humor

[clever axle]

yeah I liked it too

people find this cringe but pretend Yelena's funny. Idk why

[clever axle]

Idk. That option should be there

but let's be honest: peopel thrive on binaries and negativity

[graceful glen]

I don’t know i feel like as a girl i really related to it

[graceful glen]

Real 😭

[clever axle]

someone atually got what it was about

[clever axle]

seriously. huhuh macaroni. that's funny to people? i don't get it

[graceful glen]

Like i love yelena but that wasn’t funny 😭

[clever axle]

i mean, I'm a guy but i generally got the message it was trying to put out

[graceful glen]

Yeah ofc

[clever axle]

i'm mixed on yelena. she's just ok but the way some MCU fans act like she's leagues better than any other new characer is ridiciculous

[graceful glen]

Yeahh i get that

[clever axle]

only thing that bugged me was her friend at work cosntantly ragged on her

[graceful glen]

Lowkey

[clever axle]

ya tbh the whole black widow business is some of the least inspired stuff in the MCU. i feel like any of the other thunderolts have a more interesting story but she got the lion's share of the screen time

[clever axle]

ya

[graceful glen]

I think some of the marvel fandom are so red-pilled and misogynistic that they hate on she-hulk absent mindedly even though there are alot of valid criticisms that could be pointed out

[graceful glen]

I LOVELOVELOVE Black Widow but I feel like Yelena’s character was underutilised

[clever axle]

while I don't think all the anti she-hulk hate comes from that (some of it comes from just the prtentious/nostalgia types) I think that's at least part of it

hawkeye murdered people yet gets less slack than she-hulk, captain marvel, ms america, or ironheart

[clever axle]

i wanted to like Black widow but the mcu never used her well

[graceful glen]

EXACTLY

[graceful glen]

Poor Nat 😔

[clever axle]

obligatory f*** hawkeye

[clever axle]

when they killed her off for Clint then expected me to care about her retconned family?

[graceful glen]

He’s alright but he’s probably one of the most boring mcu characters

[clever axle]

i was like: for real?

[clever axle]

i think he's the worst mcu hero

i'll take she hulk or ironheart over him

[graceful glen]

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIM

[clever axle]

agreed. then it woudl've spared us his show hahaha

[graceful glen]

any day

[clever axle]

and neither of those two are near my favorite

they both have issues but some fans go overboard hating them

[graceful glen]

Yep

[clever axle]

because, tbh, they don't really foloow the whole 'White dude loner aggrieved by stereotypical street crime' so intrinsic to what pop culture thinks sueprheroes are

[graceful glen]

I think its crazy that after she-hulk Tatiana got loads of hate 😭

[clever axle]

whoa really? Why?

she's a good actress

plus I don't recall her saying anything inappropriate like some actors have

[graceful glen]

She got death threats by people online and they called the show woke

[clever axle]

people are diseased

one: woke ain't bad. two: death threats!? really?

get a life people

[graceful glen]

I don’t know how saying ‘misogyny is bad, all people are equal’ is woke buttt….

[clever axle]

i wouldn't send death threats even to the worst human being

[graceful glen]

I think they were just mad for being called out in the show tbh 😭

[clever axle]

ikr

it wasn't even the most well delivered, and rathe rcorporate, way of doing it

even the most milquetoast barely there so-called feminism like in Captain Marvel 1 bothered some of these guys

[graceful glen]

Fr it was really mild compared to what it could have been

Anyway I’ve got to go but it’s a joy to see someone with some sense around here 🫡 goodbye everyone

[clever axle]

Ikr. I wish there were more. But too many hawkeye glazers in this fandom

au revoir

[lapis crater]

Because the show was funny. Most of the hate is pure misogyny

[clever axle]

if we're talking about outright hate, vs just disliking the show, then at least some of it is misogyny for sure

some of it also seems to be from the 'muh new MCU sucks' crowd who just nitpick anything new

[full crag]

I never watched it

[clever axle]

uh ok

[forest wigeon]

i don't despise the show as much as most of you do but I think the humour was really really stale

[clever axle]

i wouldn't say it was all stale. it had some good moments

however I feel like the people who bash this show just go overboard

[forest wigeon]

it may have some but it was all gone when the twerking scene played

[clever axle]

this is the scene I think people went overboard with. it was goofy, but it was like one scene

i thought the funniest was at Abomination's retreat

[forest wigeon]

that was a good sequence

[forest wigeon]

but this one just wasn't needed

[clever axle]

yeah imo they did more to abomination interesting here than in Incredible Hulk

[clever axle]

ig? there's a lot of 'unnecessary scenes' in the MCU. i didn't really think it was all that worth crying over like so many people did when it came otu

[forest wigeon]

it was added for no reason but the abomination scene at least showed the character development of abomination

[clever axle]

well abomination barely had any character in incredible hulk besides power hungry

he's mainly carried in that movie by Tim Roth's performaance and the graphics

[forest wigeon]

i don't really wanna argue about this

[clever axle]

ok

[celest tendon]

Uh

I don’t know dude It wasn’t peak cinema but it wasn’t awful

[clever axle]

wow a reasonable response

not some 'it's horrible and hates men' nonsensen

[celest tendon]

Thank you man I try

[celest tendon]

There’s nothing man hating in the media 💔

[clever axle]

really yeah

[clever axle]

np

the mcu definitely has had some misogynistic moments but really not any misandrist ones

[celest tendon]

Yeah

Agreed

[clever axle]

yeah

[celest tendon]

The shows good though, at most my argument is the shitty costumes I feel but yk that’s an overall marvel problem

[clever axle]

I think some of the humor didn't land and some of the supporting characters took up too much screen time

ididn't really dislike the costumes but the CGI was sometimes not good, or uncanny valley

[hearty jetty]

No its not it was just really bad

People didnt like Thor love of thunder either

[vocal badge]

They could have done a better job it was mediocre

[clever axle]

who is 'pepole'

i liked both

y'all equate popularity to quality. that aint' a 1 to 1

[clever axle]

it was just kinda in the middle

people who say 'it's awful/garbage/horrible' are just exaggerating as usual

and too much of the hate was misogyny

i didn't love it

but i liked the majority of it

[vocal badge]

Yea I mean they aren’t going to get everything perfect or be able to fill in all the ideas they want but meh people still watched lol

[clever axle]

idk why fans these days can't just say 'it's ok/mid' without acting like it shot their parents in an alleyway

[clever axle]

yeah. it's the people who whine about 'wokeness' or whatever that are annoying

like, the show wasn't even that 'woke'

[vocal badge]

[clever axle]

huh

[vocal badge]

I was agreeing with you lol

[clever axle]

oh good haha

but yeah

so many bad faith/disingenous complaints

like if you say 'the CGI was weird/uncanny valley' I'd agree

[lapis crater]

And I bet the two worst parts are that one bit in episode 1 about how Jen can handle anger & the twerking scene…right?

[lapis crater]

Yeah but that’s not the most common criticism.

[clever axle]

Those werent even bad haha

[clever axle]

Id agree its not the most common but it does pop up

[mental needle]

it could've been better

I can't explain it, but She Hulk for some reason just felt so out of place with the environment

[hearty jetty]

It was more of a comedy show than what she hulk was in the comics jist my personal opinions

[hearty jetty]

Im not mysogny

I just did not like the show

[errant pier]

Hated this show

Not enough lawyer stuff

Way too much random shit that didn't need to be included

Weak supporting cast

The only episode I can say I truly enjoyed was the episode with Daredevil

Tatiana Maslany is great as She-Hulk though

If they rebooted the show with a better script I'd probably watch it

[hearty jetty]

I agree with you

[fallow pasture]

problem with the show was that she hulk is a comedy character but almost all of the mcus comedy really sucks

evil mcmegacorp writers are too out of touch to write good comedy

[clever axle]

Who here said you were?

I didnt

[clever axle]

What?

[clever axle]

What does that mean though

[errant pier]

The whole abomination rehab episode

Todd and inteligencia

[clever axle]

And? What was wrong with it

[errant pier]

The show would have been so much better if it just DIDN'T have those plotlines

[clever axle]

Why though?

[errant pier]

It didn't do really anything

It was unnecessary

It didn't need to happen

[clever axle]

Wdym? You just keep saying that over again

That literally was the show

It wasn't a one plot show

It was various small plots

[errant pier]

Ok

[fallow pasture]

the comedy in mcu usually sucks, she hulk included

guardians had moments

[silent sorrel]

nothing was really humorous

[floral halo]

Wdym? The She-Hulk comic is primarily comedic too

[lapis crater]

The show was a very close adaptation of Dan Slott’s She-Hulk run with a very famous moment from John Byrne’s run as the finale. In fact, I’d say it is easily the most comics accurate MCU thing at all. So I don’t get why you’d say it’s not like she is in the comics. Outside of the first Savage She-Hulk series and much (but not all) of Mariko Tomaki’s run, Jen has always been a sassy, sexy, fourth wall breaking comedic character. That’s what we got in She-Hulk: Attorney At Law

[lapis crater]

Yes but those are what the ahem INside CELlular community comes up with when pressed for specific criticisms of the show.

[clever axle]

Its like people wanted her to be some dark edgy character?

[clever axle]

Im not even understanding like half of these criticisms

[floral halo]

Exactly! How does one come to the conclusion that show Jen wasn’t particularly like comic Jen?

[clever axle]

Idk

[graceful glen]

Based

[graceful glen]

Lmao real 😭 moon knight made me laugh tho

[old musk]

i... have issues with it...

many...

[lapis crater]

They’re nonsensical but that’s what they latched onto

[lapis crater]

Only way I can think is they only know her origin & see that’s different & decide that means the whole thing is off.

[clever axle]

Ikr. Yet people act like its objective fact. Ridiculous

[clever axle]

Such as?

[clever axle]

I thought moon knight was funny too

The mcu does have many misses with humor but also many hits

[graceful glen]

It’s either awful or amazing

[graceful glen]

Why…?

[clever axle]

Idk sometimes its just mid. Neither great nor bad

[versed jackal]

It was alright, not incredibly humorous but I don’t hate it

[clever axle]

A nuanced response

[hearty jetty]

Im surprised they didn’t do the jump rope comic and put it in the show