Best character overall (Invisible Woman vs Franklin Richards)

[bright cairn]

SUE

SUE

SUE

MY WIFE HAS TO WIN

[compact wraith]

Franklin is just a baby

[bright cairn]

HE'S JUST A KID BRO 😭

[compact wraith]

Same thing

[stiff willow]

Nobody hates reed, people just see hot guy and get hard/wet

[timber trellis]

To me my Galactus

[nimble linden]

But Franklin trash tho

[split junco]

Invis 💯

[wooden rose]

Sorry boy, yo mama got history

[agile knot]

It’s invis

[bright cairn]

Franklin isn't trash he's a good character (Valeria better)

[timber trellis]

Unrelated

[compact wraith]

We can tell

[zealous fable]

Invisible deez nuts

[bright cairn]

But Sue is just way more fleshed out and a better character

[velvet echo]

invis instantly

[agile knot]

Anyone picking Franklin is wrong because sue is wayyy better

[snow dragon]

AI?

[bright cairn]

Sue would vote for Franklin for sure though

[timber trellis]

To me my Galactus

[timber trellis]

Fuck no lmao

[snow dragon]

Just bad quality?

[split junco]

I think it’s the smears

[snow dragon]

But it is funny

[timber trellis]

Yeah I screenshotted it

[snow dragon]

Ah

[timber trellis]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdHYpf17/

Here is the og

[edgy pier]

guys remember, Sue gave birth to Franklin, she should win automatically

[median carbon]

invisible women!!!

[timber trellis]

To me my Galactus

[hidden sorrel]

hey wren

[tired bridge]

invisible woman is cooler idc

[timber trellis]

80% of mfs

[solar timber]

[stiff nebula]

Well sue is winning

[timber trellis]

Yep

[velvet echo]

hello.

[jovial shore]

i have a tendency to like powerful characters

unless there are characters like spiderman, nerd, funny, smart

[crystal bolt]

Mother is winning

[crystal bolt]

WHAT DID I TELL YOU

[silk stag]

Franklin is way more powerful than his mother

[stiff willow]

Not the point

We're talking about better character

Not more powerful

[silk stag]

Please don’t reply ping me

I get it though

[stiff willow]

It's like the previous one where people though that since johnny is hotter than reed he must be a better character

[stiff willow]

Okay

[tough cape]

HELP

[stiff willow]

Yes?

Crazy pfp

[storm iron]

I agree valeria the goat

[peak oyster]

Sigma

[lean mirage]

This was the weirdest contest, also Ben got robbed

[peak oyster]

Ben is my favorite but he was never winning best rizz against Johnny

💔

[lean mirage]

😭 Johnny should've been disqualified immediately for that stache he's been sporting since North's run started

[peak oyster]

Lol

[inner cedar]

Thinking about the poll.

Is it possible that there are so many simps here?

[edgy pier]

I don't blame them

[haughty epoch]

simps

[haughty epoch]

We know its giving simp culture

[stiff willow]

?

[earnest elm]

Yes, there're many simps

But also yes

Sue wins this handly

In what reality is Franklin written better than any of the F4?

Anyone voting Franklin is doing it purely based on some powerscallers and I would say those are much worse than simps lol

[peak oyster]

Powerscaling daughter vs simp son

[empty hemlock]

Invisible Woman.

[spare kettle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[earnest elm]

Powerful characters?

Like Susan Storm who can make a forcefield the size of the sun?

[crimson tusk]

Yall are hating on Franklin cuz he's a baby

[earnest elm]

He's not a baby anymore

He's in highschool

13 or 14 as of right now I think

And unlike powerscalling meth heads, we actually voted for who's a better written character, aka SUSAN

[spice mango]

Yes bro finally someone speaking truth

[spice mango]

Better character read the topic know your facts

[earnest elm]

Franklin isn't practically more powerful than Sue either

He only has access to his powers 1 day a year

[cold geode]

Oh shit fr?

Crazy

[earnest elm]

REASONS WHY FRANKLIN'S POWERS SUCK

.
1- He only has access to his powers 1 day a year.

2- His powers used to randomly turn off for weeks every time he goes through a mental problem, always in the worst time possible.

3- His powers are frighteningly uncontrollable. He once belived himself to be a mutant so his powers subconsciously rewrote reality to make everyone think he was a mutant. Not even he knew about it.

• Imagine having a nightmare where the world ends and your powers uncontrollably rewrites reality to have the world destroyed.

4- Franklin is destined to be the last living being in his multiverse. And if that doesn't sound horrifying enough, he is also destined to become Galactus in the new multiverse where he will be forced to annihilate entire planets till the multiverse ends again.

• Basically he will witness the slow death of his own multiverse then he will destroy the next multiverse.

Now I have one question...

[haughty epoch]

Im not doing this for powerscaling I genuinely like the character

So much for powerscaling meatheads

I like franklin just like I like billy kaplan not because of powerscaling

[stiff nebula]

I noticed a trend of the votes not hitting 1000 whenever reed is in the poll

May I ask why

[crimson tusk]

At the start of this conversation, people were saying franklin is just a baby and what will he do.

[earnest elm]

People thinking he's an emotionless stretchy dude

Forgetting that he's the best dad and husband in Marvel along with the smartest man in the universe.

[earnest elm]

I mean... He really isn't a "baby" anymore unless the term applies to highschoolers

And what will he really do? He doesn't have his powers right now and he doesn't have 0.01 of the great storylines that his mother have.

He literally can't score any points in this vote.

[willow sphinx]

invisible woman glaze is insane

[earnest elm]

Thinking Franklin has any chance is worse than glaze

It's either bad adaptation influence on a person's knowledge on the characters

Or misinformation gotten from loud people on the internet who know equally nothing about the character

You decide which side is yours

And her name is

Sue Storm

The strongest of the F4

[willow sphinx]

mind you franklin makes universes for fun

[earnest elm]

Mind you I did read all F4 runs

[earnest elm]

And this is the conclusion

So yeah...

[willow sphinx]

congrats on reading comics books

[earnest elm]

Not a brag

Just better credibility than reading random stuff on Google

[earnest elm]

Support to a conclusion

Also have to point out 🤓 that Franklin is no longer "creating universes for fun"

He did it as a baby

Now he's depowered with no powers

Go figure

[haughty epoch]

How about we not bring power scaling into play

[velvet echo]

well its a 'best character overall', so everything needs to be involved!

[earnest elm]

True which puts Franklin at a disadvantage

Since the only thing people have for him is his powers which currently don't work

[earnest elm]

I just found it funny that when people point out the reasons for choosing those characters they say...

1- Reasons for Voting Sue:

• Best mother in Marvel
• Strongest of the regular F4
• More consistent working power than Franklin
• Has one of the most solid relationships in all of comic book history
• Mother to Franklin and Valeria Richards
• Humiliated Doctor Doom in front of the entire galaxy
• Killed cosmic entities and covered stars with her forcefields

2- Reasons for Voting Franklin:

• His powers (The TikToks they watched forgot to mention that his powers don't work most of the time and he current has access to it only one day a year)

Yet you see people posting every few hours complaining about the Sue votes

[haughty epoch]

Well im not one I actually enjoy the character

[jovial shore]

neve saw that, when does she?

[jovial shore]

do not insult me, i do not use tiktok

[earnest elm]

Ryan North's run

The same run where she casually created a gravitational singularity

Which is far from her most impressive showings btw

She once...

1- Created a forcefield the size of the sun, turning it invisible in the process

2- Created a forcefield around a planet which stood hits from bloodlusted Sentry and an invasion from another dimension till backup arrived

3- Knocked back 12 mutants including omega ones

4- Her shields are resistant to magic, psionic attacks and some forms of reality warping

5- Her shields stood a combined assault from Celestials, Galactus and other cosmic entities

6- She managed to contain multiple powerful strength mid tiers like Hulk and Hercules on separate occasions

7- Killing Celestials

[stiff nebula]

Okay lemme prepare the closing announcement for this event

[earnest elm]

Powerscallers Lost

That would be a neat caption

[jovial shore]

very good, but i also love the thing about franklin being immortal, love when characters are literally immortals and dont lose their heads, i would not want to be immortal, but i like the concept expecially when the characters dont go crazy

[spare tide]

That's a neat list. I just love how Sue started off as just somebody who can turn herself invisible into that.

[earnest elm]

Same with most Marvel heroes

Wanda started as a low level witch who was only capable of casting one spell

Jean Grey started as a low level telekinetic who barely moves stuff

[spare tide]

Yeah, maybe something to do with the era they were introduced in and how ideas around empowerment have evolved over time?

[earnest elm]

I would say it has more to do with the universe having constantly evolving and more challenging threats

Stark for example creating his first model to fight some random terrorists

And one of his latest models is designed to stand against a being shattering the multiverse (Starship Hulk)

Although Stark's busters always fail but you get the idea

[spare tide]

yeah, that's a valid take too

[velvet echo]

REAL