Which of these X-Men characters do you want to see highlighted first in the MCU?

[quasi gyro]

i want cyclops and i want his powers to be done RIGHT this time

and NOT be heat vision

[pseudo wyvern]

I feel like Cyclops should be the first one to be focused on

He's kinda the backbone of the team

[quasi gyro]

no x-man has been done dirtier than him

[pseudo wyvern]

Rogue is relatively unimportant to the X-Men, and Jean is a valid choice

[sour imp]

cyclops is the goat bro. i need to see him in the MCU as team leader of the x-men

[quasi gyro]

i forgot about the pseudo-sequel movies so i retract my statement

[crimson flint]

Cyclops because you always gotta start the new chapter off with something meaningful he’s the leader of the x men for Christ sakes cmon’

[grave nacelle]

I love Rogue but goddamn the earlier Fox movies did Cyclops dirty

[quasi gyro]

ONG

[shrewd obsidian]

Rogue wasn’t even rogue in the Fox movies lol she’s a cute character and all but that’s. Not rogue. In ANY way

[grave nacelle]

I grew up genuinely thinking that Cyclops was a lame character in the original comics too

Had a happy late realization to that

[grave nacelle]

Frfr

[ashen wind]

Rogue. No offense but Scott & Jean always bored me a bit

[remote wadi]

He’s the the leader . Starting off with anyone but him would be criminal

[ashen wind]

Though I like Jean's powers

[ashen wind]

They've had different leaders though

[grave nacelle]

Fair tbh

[shrewd obsidian]

First exposure to x-men being the movies, I have general appreciation for her because she’s where my interest started. But she’s just. Not Rogue lol

[remote wadi]

Yeah , but in most things it’s cyclops

[grave nacelle]

I read the comics and was like goddamn she's so much cooler???

[ashen wind]

Sure but they can always evolve

[shrewd obsidian]

Yeah using leadership as a reason is really moot given all the variations of teams and teams going simultaneously

[ashen wind]

I know they have fans though

[shrewd obsidian]

Literally

[remote wadi]

Who would they use then ?

[grave nacelle]

Storm?

I mean she has been the leader for some teams

Heck Cable too

[shrewd obsidian]

Ororo kiss me on the mouth challenge

I mean what

[grave nacelle]

LMFAO

[shrewd obsidian]

Basically the Fox movies did. Everyone really dirty. Except Logan. And there was genuinely no reason for him to be the focus 😭💀 I love him but,,,,,,can we stop the lone wolf baddie focus pls

[ashen wind]

Depends on the team they're using. They could start with some version of X force.

Also it could be storm

[ashen wind]

This!

[grave nacelle]

Exactly

[grave nacelle]

I love him so much but yes

[remote wadi]

Storm maybe . X-force would be lame but I could see them doing it since they can throw Deadpool and Wolverine in there

[shrewd obsidian]

Like rogue is just my #1 overall but honestly anyone but Logan done right is good

[crystal sorrel]

I think we all just live in the timeline where Hugh got Logan. We probably would be having the same discussion but for different characters in other timelines.

[winged wedge]

I much prefer Jean and Rogue, but Cyclops deserves this one

[remote wadi]

I’m tired of seeing Logan on screen

He was the focus on the original trilogy , and he had 3 solo movies and he’s in Deadpool e ( which I’ve not seen yet )

I’m sooo tired with everything being about Logan

[crystal sorrel]

I bet at this point you'd have some more people agree with you if you said Wolverine was overrated.

[shrewd obsidian]

I love Cyclops. I’m SO glad he was done justice with 97. But overall I’d love rogue having an initial focus because it can go into her brotherhood background and not be reduced to a love interest that casual/non-comic/media illiterate fans are too dumb to interpret even close to correct

[stark night]

Because she's relevant

[hollow finch]

I mean

Cyclops easily

He’s the first X-men and has been around for almost everything, if not everything

Many villains and story arcs center themselves around him

And he’s an extremely deep character as well

[shrewd obsidian]

I mean, that’s true for any of the characters

[hollow finch]

Nowhere near as much as Scott and Jean

I mean literally almost everything

Tho we could easily have like X-men and xfactor at the same time

[twilit rivet]

Rogue has had the spotlight

[hollow finch]

Idk how most people would feel about that but it’s an easy way to have multiple X-men teams at once

[twilit rivet]

Cyclops has always been done dirty by X-Men properties

Everything since the Fox movies started make Cyclops out to be this boring loser

Except 97

[hollow finch]

He’s sadly been done dirty in some comics as well 😭😭😭

[twilit rivet]

And Evolution

[shrewd obsidian]

No like 😭 they’re always so messy and have like 6 x-teams at the same time some even having the same names

[twilit rivet]

Yeah, he hasn't been done well since Bendis' X-Men...

[hollow finch]

Evolution gave a lot of his traits to Logan

[twilit rivet]

It's weird to be complimenting Bendis

[twilit rivet]

At least the weird Logan Jean Scott love triangle doesn't happen in Evolution

[hollow finch]

He’s had moments every now and then but it feels like editorial keeps pushing him to be someone he’s not

Like Jed pleasantly surprised me with the avengers thing but then in the rogue’s team’s crossover he’s back to doing things he’d NEVER do and the writer pinning things on him again

It’s just a nonstop pattern

[hollow finch]

Yeah it’s crazy

I just love X factor cause it’s literally the og 5 and I love all 5 of them
So I’m bias towards that team

[shrewd obsidian]

But I fully stand by that seeing Rogue’s brotherhood past would be miles more interesting than just another team movie immediately with that set of characters’ introduction

[crystal sorrel]

What haven't they done yet, make a clone of Scott?

[hollow finch]

Thank. The. Heavens.

It’s so forced and pushed down our throats. If you actually look into it in the comics it’s disgusting. Like Logan should be in prison kind of disgusting

[crystal sorrel]

Ultimate.

Do I say more?

[shrewd obsidian]

I was trying to find what the roster was at a certain time and let me tell you right now there is no reason for that to be done. Never will be worth the effort and mental gymnastics needed lol

[noble sail]

i just feel like she has more mystical vibe

[shrewd obsidian]

“Let’s see, what was the x-men roster at (whatever I was trying to figure out)” and there’s 4 teams, two with the same name but fully different rosters, half of one roster on multiple teams, someone switching around all of them. All at the same time. Like nah I’m good actually I’ll bs it

[noble sail]

and thts what im looking for the mcu now

[hollow finch]

Sinister is one of my fave villains tbh

But the team honestly depends on where they wanna start

I don’t want them to change the founding members like they did the X-men

If we’re starting with them as adults and the team has already picked up some of the giant size members then idk

If it’s founding team and they’re younger, Scott def needs lead along with Magneto tbh
Mags is just too much of a defining character for the Mythos to not have early focus in the timeline
It also helps show the audience how eventually Erik and Charles both end up viewing Scott as the ultimate mutant successor

That is way too much text I’m sorry 😭😭😭

[shrewd obsidian]

I’m a yapper and like civil conversation, it’s all good lol

[hollow finch]

But if it’s further in the timeline anyone could really be the lead

But most big villains have close connections with Scott
Sinister, Apocalypse, Magneto, Dark Phoenix, etc

[hollow finch]

I don’t see how big it is until it’s sent 😭😭😭

[shrewd obsidian]

I think have a true first class movie would be good for an actual first team-focus. But too many new characters at once (“new” even just in terms of the franchise) is always a recipe for disaster. The Avengers worked because the major players were mostly shown individually before anything else.
And having a hero solo movie that starts not anti-hero or indifferent, but from a teenage menace to being groomed into a literal weapon for a mutant terrorist organization? Taking down Capt. Marvel? Then seeing her with redemption? That would be great (if they. Actually. Did it right. Which. Who knows)

[hollow finch]

Guardians of the Galaxy

[shrewd obsidian]

Like their intro to the mcu doesn’t need to be right into the team dynamics. Because there’s. So many teams. And more constantly

[shrewd obsidian]

True. Still

[hollow finch]

That just doesn’t feel like a first film tho
Especially if we gotta shoehorn Carol in super early on
If they did a trilogy with first class members and the brotherhood grew from magneto in the first to yknow the brotherhood in the second, including rogue, and that journey be followed with the second and third films mainly

There’s so many X-men and so many stories it can’t be only 3 movies

[shrewd obsidian]

The major x-men characters are ones we’ve seen in movies already (even. Really bad ones), so seeing them individually would be nice. And let a movie be “origins” so we forget whatever tf happened in 2009 <3

[hollow finch]

They could have a Disney plus show

Brotherhood of mutants having a full show for them might actually be interesting ngl

[shrewd obsidian]

Only if they abandon the ever-shortening season format 😭

[hollow finch]

Wherever Rogue is focused on I’d like Mystique to be focused as well

And Nightcrawler to be foreshadowed and whatnot cause their sibling relationship is super wholesome

[shrewd obsidian]

You’re not wrong, the progression works there. There really is just so much.

[shrewd obsidian]

Full stop, I just want a project to not force her down our throats as someone we’re supposed to like and root for lol.

[crystal sorrel]

Oh yeah, this would be potentially our first live-action Rogue with her "borrowing" Carol's flight and strength.

[hollow finch]

6 episodes may be too short 😭

Were they 9 at the start? I don’t even remember

[shrewd obsidian]

“Borrowing”

[shrewd obsidian]

I don’t even know. I’m sick of it. Give me 26 episode seasons back. Both 22 and 45 minute episode shows. Please. Dear lawd

[twilit rivet]

Gail Simone?

[hollow finch]

I’m assuming Mystique?

[twilit rivet]

Not really, Logan met Jean when she was a full grown adult

[hollow finch]

Yeah 😭
Villainizing Scott

[shrewd obsidian]

😂 sorry, couldn’t help it. Poor Carol in all that,,,,

[hollow finch]

Dude. No means no

[twilit rivet]

I'm actually re-reading the Claremont run, it has some weird pedo stuff but Logan isn't one of them

[twilit rivet]

He doesn't push himself though, he stops with Jean after the first Phoenix Saga

[hollow finch]

Lol
Idk that is a lot tbh for these types of things

But they could still be interesting

[hollow finch]

He literally does until other people interrupt

[twilit rivet]

I mean he doesn't, he's actively avoiding Jean because he knows he likes her and doesn't wanna be pushy right now. I just finished the Dark Phoenix Saga and she's dead so after her revival that might change

But he hasn't been pushy about it

[shrewd obsidian]

Oh yeah. Sorry, forgot clarification lol I hate her <3 she’s so awful <3 but they just force her as a sexy femme fatale or as someone you’re supposed to love to hate. Or they keep forcing the full family dynamic thing with her/destiny, rogue/gambit, and Kurt. Like. It’s not. In character for any of the latter to stay in contact with. Them lol

[twilit rivet]

After she said no, the most he has done is give her flowers when she was recovering. And even then he dropped them and left

[hollow finch]

He literally was he cornered her back to a tree and wouldn’t let her leave until someone else interrupted them

I don’t know how you can miss see that

[twilit rivet]

When? What issue?

Because like I said, I just finished the Dark Phoenix Saga, I'm not even in the 140's of Uncanny yet

[hollow finch]

No yeah I agree
I don’t like her or Destiny they’re just really crappy people 😭
But Kurt and Rogue can still have the sibling relationship yknow

[shrewd obsidian]

This has actually been great conversation, the most civil I’ve had on these topics in a long time 😂 now I’ve gotta head out

[shrewd obsidian]

LITERALLY

[hollow finch]

I feel like it was before that

[twilit rivet]

except that writers have been pushing those two as more than siblings

[twilit rivet]

I haven't seen it yet

[shrewd obsidian]

ugh I can go on about that forever.

[twilit rivet]

I actually have the panel

[shrewd obsidian]

Now I’m curious

[hollow finch]

Idk there’s like hundreds on hundreds of issues I just have the panels and remember reading them and being grossed out

I have to go into my gallery to find it but I wouldn’t wanna send it here
I don’t even know if we’re allowed to send pics in here anyway

[twilit rivet]

We are

Dw

[hollow finch]

It might be after tho judging the art style

[crystal sorrel]

I thought we left that kind of stuff in the old Ultimate Universe!?

[hollow finch]

Aw 😔

[twilit rivet]

It probably is, after the Fox movies (and just kinda during the 90s) they started pushing Jean and Wolverine way more

[hollow finch]

Stay safe tho ✌️

[shrewd obsidian]

[hollow finch]

Only the bad ones
Like editorial shouldn’t have let that go

[twilit rivet]

Yeah. Krakoa was a weird time

[shrewd obsidian]

Aaaaa of course

[wicked crow]

Realistically, it'll be Cyclops but I want Rogue first honestly.

[twilit rivet]

I think Rogue and Cyclops should both show up, but I want Cyclops first since he's my favorite marvel character

[shrewd obsidian]

Yep yep yep

[twilit rivet]

Editorial is in a weird place, they let things like "Make More Mutants" happen

[hollow finch]

Even having him invade the summer family stuff which is beyond annoying

[twilit rivet]

They're also forcing writers to make Peter miserable in 616

[hollow finch]

But at least the fox movies made it healthier…. Even if it’s still not healthy

[shrewd obsidian]

Okay I DO need to go lol but this was great, appreciate it !

[twilit rivet]

Have a great day

Also I fully agree with what you said about Mystique, I didn't bring it up since I was focused on the Logan Jean thing but I hate her too

[hollow finch]

I mean we should want them all to be accurate and fairly used right?

Just cause I’m saying I want Cyclops to be the first and main focus doesn’t mean I don’t want Jean and Rogue to have arcs and stuff

Jean is probably just as important if not a lil more (at the start)

[twilit rivet]

I mean yeah they definitely should have arcs, but I want Cyclops to be done well first since I am biased

Jean and Cyclops being done well kinda goes hand in hand

[hollow finch]

But she dies and leaves so much Scott has had other and important stories which kinda gets him a head over

[twilit rivet]

They're both the main characters at the start

[hollow finch]

Same!! Bye!

[twilit rivet]

Rn I'm at the issue where Scott leaves the X-Men so I'm thinking this is where the focus shifts more

(Jean just died)

[hollow finch]

I don’t remember when X factor starts

[twilit rivet]

Uhhh, gimme a second I wrote a whole reading order for Claremont that I've been following

[hollow finch]

There’s a lot of controversial stuff with Maddie coming up and all the Apocalypse stuff too

[hollow finch]

I don’t believe Claremont wrote X-Factor?

[twilit rivet]

He didn't, but I put it in the reading order anyways since I want to read ALL the X-Men books from the Claremont Era

I also included things like Secret Wars, and even X-Terminators

Judging by the reading order I am using, it starts after #209 of the Uncanny X-Men series

[hollow finch]

Ah cool cool cool

Sorry I was searching through my gallery

[twilit rivet]

It's alright

[hollow finch]

I gotta add captions to organize more 😭😭😭

[ashen wind]

what kind of stuff?

[hollow finch]

Yeah idk when this takes place exactly it’s been a while. But these are two separate occasions

[hollow finch]

Stuff about her being a clone and yatta yatta yatta drama romcom type stuff

[twilit rivet]

Yeah, that's definitely after what I've read. That isn't Byrnes art

[crystal sorrel]

It's the Clone Saga between Clone Sagas 😆

[hollow finch]

X-men time travel and clone stuff gets confusing after they do so much of it 😭

[hollow finch]

I see I see

[twilit rivet]

After some checking, that happens during the Classic X-Men run

I don't think that run is canon? It added new panels to tie stuff together

"The first 27 issues have various edits and new pages added to tie in with then-current continuity. The new material is often drawn by artists other than those who drew the original story but always written by the writer of the original stories, Chris Claremont. The first 44 issues have new backup stories further delving into and explaining the original stories, mostly written by Chris Claremont or Ann Nocenti and drawn by John Bolton."

[ashen wind]

oh yeah she's a clone

that was some weird stuff

but isn't X-Men halfway to a romcom/soap anyways?

[hollow finch]

I’m pretty sure it is

Just cause editorial mistakes and weird funky stuff happens within the process doesn’t mean it’s not canon

It just means editors were a lil dumb for a minute and never went back to fix it

What you said just screams other people going back to retcon it

If anything that’s more evidence for it being canon

[hollow finch]

Yes

[twilit rivet]

I mean it wasn't editorial doing more stuff, they brought in new writers to add panels and storylines when reprinting the comics

[hollow finch]

Writers have said that they view it that way

[hollow finch]

That’s editorial 😭

[twilit rivet]

It wasn't the editors adding stuff, they brought in a writer to write the series and the writer added new stuff

[ashen wind]

ya i always thought that was the main/partial appeal, aside from the revolutionary ethos

[hollow finch]

The editor brings someone in
It was the editors choice to change/add/etc to the original

That’s an editorial decision

[hollow finch]

Yeah
So you can imagine there’s quuuiiiiiite a lot of drama

[ashen wind]

yeah

[hollow finch]

There was one thing I can baarrrelly remember (so take it with less than a grain of salt) but like they left Maddie somewhere cause she was like frozen faceless??
I don’t even know there’s so much

I don’t actually know a lot of the comic lore between Scott and Maddie

[ashen wind]

which series was this?

[hollow finch]

I refer you to the message I sent right after that

I just saw someone post it on Twitter and was all “how dare Scott do that to Maddie, he deserves all the pain” yatta yatta yatta the typical Twitter stuff 😭

[ashen wind]

i mean, he left her for another woman, so he kinda deservs the bashing

[hollow finch]

I think it’s far more complicated than that

Especially in the comics

Like I’ve seen them with each other and him referring to her as Maddie so I really don’t know if it was like her being Jean for a while or what but she is literally a clone of the person he married or a clone and he married her without knowing she was different

Idk I really gotta look into that

But it’s like all over the place

[ashen wind]

i know it's complicated, but he still left her and their son iirc. that's not a good look

[hollow finch]

I don’t think that’s true at all???

Apocalypse infected Nathan

And the only way to save him was to send him into the future

A decision that Scott still hated and still shows signs of being depressed about to this day

Scott is actually a character who just wants a family but literally can’t have it because of so many things

Mainly the big fire bird but then there’s also the X-men and all the villains and yatta yatta

[ashen wind]

ok i might be misremembering things but didnt' that happen after Scott & Maddie broke up?

[hollow finch]

During X factor which Jean came back to life and was around

But just cause he’s on a team and with a new relationship doesn’t mean he entirely left the other 2 behind

He was shown to still care about his son a lot and to be involved

[ashen wind]

but didn't he end his marriage to Maddie because of Jean?

[ashen wind]

ok

[hollow finch]

A clone for the original of who he was with and who he thought he did all that stuff with

Like I said I gotta look into the comics of Maddie more cause it’s so confusing

[ashen wind]

idk i can understand him being messed up but for me it's still not exactly good

although tbh I never liked scott that much to begin with

[hollow finch]

No it’s not good but they’ve all done bad stuff 😭😭 some faarrrrrr worse
One of which I’d say Maddie is

That’s a huge appeal of X-men is that they’re all flawed and normal people really

Scott was like emotionally and mentally manipulated growing up by literally 2 different people

1 that gaslit and controlled his perception of himself and- reality even-

And another that literally experimented on him at a young age, orchestrated many personal traumas and downfalls, and controlled even the locations he was at growing up

I hate using these terminologies but they’re accurate to the situation so…

[wicked crow]

Cyclops deserve better

Dude x men 97 did justice but we need more for him

[hollow finch]

Cyclops deserves so much better 😔😔😔

[wicked crow]

The same type

[hollow finch]

I wanna see him strategizing more

In the comics he has like strategies and plans for literally EVERYTHING

[wicked crow]

More than Xavier

[hollow finch]

I don’t think Xavier was ever a battle planner or anything like that 😭

[wicked crow]

He is good in telepathy (not better than jean thou) and good at killing childrens

[hollow finch]

And good at mindwiping them of their families

[wicked crow]

I mean that was necessary but not only option

[hollow finch]

It was not necessary nor was it when he let Scott believe Hank was dead 😭

[wicked crow]

Yeah

[hollow finch]

Scott’s childhood was not fun…

But hey he has superpowers so I’ll still be jealous

[flat zephyr]

i really want to see a jean grey from the mcu

[twilit rivet]

Xavier sucks at strategy, he decided to mind blast the primordial entity that Scott is TALKING DOWN

Also

Phonix

Lmao

[white torrent]

cuz uh....

d'uhhhh

idk hes cool

[wicked crow]

Cyclops has been done the most dirty in the Fox X-Men Films. It’s time for him to take the spotlight!

[vernal rivet]

cyclops is the best

[cursive lintel]

Cyclops makes the most sense

But I don't know how they could highlight him without highlighting others at the same time. Don't think he could carry a solo project imo

[simple cave]

It's simple Cyclops is my favorite X-Men

[cursive lintel]

If they could come up with some good ideas though, I'd love to see a bunch of X-Men solo projects

But they need to be good and creative

I don't think it's gonna work if they introduce like 10 X-Men in the same movie, Eternals failed miserably at doing that, and Guardians is a rare exception because James Gunn has mastered the art of doing that like no other director.

[onyx aurora]

Mine is Logan

[onyx aurora]

Speaking of Guardians I think in Fantastic 4: FS Guardians of Galaxy might be there

[simple cave]

Good choice bub

[onyx aurora]

thanks

[vast moth]

Same

[twilit rivet]

Cyclops by Greg Rucka

[onyx aurora]

Honestly even Apocalypse would be goo

[twilit rivet]

Sure he was part of the Starjammers at the time, but that was a damn good series and he was the highlight

[onyx aurora]

good*

[limber veldt]

Cyclops

He was great in X-Men '97 but severely underused in the Fox movies

[bronze belfry]

I am biased towards jean

[copper spire]

I picked Jean Grey,cause she is the Good-Lookn Female of the X-Men.

[wicked crow]

Rogue looks better.

Psylocke too.

[quasi dew]

I don’t know. The rest were ugly

Not that she was any less ugly

But she was a ranger so yeah

[copper spire]

I DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!.........I PICKED,JEAN!!!!!!!!...........THAT'S MY STORY. I'M STICKN TO IT...........H........A,,,,,,,,,

[indigo crow]

Cyclops is basically the leader why would people pick the randoms compared to him

[indigo crow]

Only sometimes

[indigo crow]

This is all the time thi

[normal solar]

Because most people aren't aware that he's the leader

Thanks to his cinematic portrayal

Or lack of it to be exact

[indigo crow]

Lowk all the more reason to vote him

[normal solar]

💯

[indigo crow]

although I don't really care about the X-Men other than Logan and like 2 others

[fleet ridge]

Because hes my favourite X-men

[normal solar]

It's crazy that some people will argue that Rogue is underrated while she had bigger live action role in one movie than everything cinematic Cyclops had in the last 2 decades

[twilit rivet]

Also she's been a main character in pretty much EVERY single X-Men animated show

You can't do Jeans origin without Scott btw

[past mantle]

I wanna see more of Rogue like how she was in the animated series. I LOVED her in that

I agree that Fox did a lot of the characters dirty, we need to see them done well. I’d like to see Cyclops and Jean Grey as well.