Which is your favourite era of X-Men publishing? (#4/4)

[spice pine]

My time to shine

Hickman X-Men fucking SUCKS

Bendis however was great, if you can get over the way they talk

At least the Bendis versions of the characters acted like themselves

[autumn fulcrum]

Ok

[sudden cargo]

I haven’t read Hickman but what’s happening now doesn’t seem bad at all

I’ve been reading it all and it’s fun

[spice pine]

I can give more reasons on why Hickman sucks

Than literally anything else

[sudden cargo]

Cause i wanted to you nosey bot

[spice pine]

Why are so many people voting for the worst thing to come from 2019

[drifting shore]

I haven't read the Now! Era but I have read some of the Hickman/ krakoa era and I loved it

But I have heard it gets bad and rushed af in the end

However the starting is really good

[civic plover]

Like it

[noble saddle]

Bendis is perhaps the most overrated writer i have seen and that's an understatement. The dialogue is so repetitive that it makes the story and characters become repetitive and copy cat vesions like literally. That was literally the case with All New X-Men and Children of The Atom. t His evolutionary era predating to his own New Avengers stories, Daredevil story in every f@#ing way. The same over the top story where some generic spy clandestine shenanigans is doing secret stuff with addition to rebellion superheroes marching towards freedom for all eternity due to empty agenda like literally. Havent we already seen such stuff in classic history every now and then? These are one of the most overused tropes in comics with rebel heroes. Star Wars is a perfect example for such overused tropes On top of that he has no concept, no clarity and no emotion to his stories. Even his Illuminati story while a mighty idea in itself has no substance whatsoever. Simply because it's lazy. It's a shame shenanigans all over the place.
Aaron actually has more talent but at the same time he has his own obsessions that can take out his worst traits. He actually has new ideas to come up with. Whereas Bendis is a figure of infamous comic culture that will soon be forgotten. You won't even see his character finishing a sentence by the end of the day. He is THAT lazy

[noble saddle]

Because Bendis is a hack writer. And it's not just dialogue. But his stories and characters are all copy cating and repeating on itself. All New X-Men and Children Of The Atom are perfect examples. His Uncanny X-Men heavily predates New Avengers. Both of these books have "SAME" empty agendas. It didn't go anywhere. The only reason why his writing with New Avengers went somewhere because a talented writer such as Warren Ellis carried his shoulders. In other words his stories are lazy and uncreative. So whichever way you see those characters are so 'in character", at the end of the day you will see half of the dialogue are just phrases bubbling. It reeks of hack writing because it has no substance, no creativity, no new ideas. Its mediocre at best.

[spice pine]

You're acting as if Krakoa has literally any good new ideas. Krakoa completely rips off Genoshia and Utopia right up until the end

If you're using the fact that Bendis' X-Men has no creativity and no new ideas against it, you have to do the same thing to Krakoa and admit that the X-Men going to an Island, making it an Ethnostate, and ending up being genocided by humans is completely ripping off two things that have happened in the past.

[spice pine]

And about "reusing tropes", two of the biggest runs in the Krakoan era are full of reused tropes. How many times has Gillen done the Messiah Trope?

At least Bendis' now Era doesn't do things like make Beast genocide African nations, or put a Nazi as one of the leaders of Utopia's government

I'd rather have an uninspired era that's full of stuff that we've seen before, than an era that completely fucks up characters like Nightcrawler, Kitty, and Laura

How many times did Nightcrawler turn Utopia into a sex cult, where he fantasizes about Rogue in Now?

How many times did Kitty kill humans, become a drunk, and work for Emma Frost in Now?

How many times did Laura Kinney get sapped of her character and put with a random dude who nobody cares about in Now?

[near bloom]

They should put Laura with a woman (specifically me)

[noble saddle]

Of course it was different and new for the comic book industry. It actually had explored a mutant nation as a "nation" with in depth exploration of structure, scope, science fic concepts, mutant culture and religion, linguistics. t's also explored the idea of running mutant trades and relations differently compared to those two that you mentioned. Especially with Utopia which was "doodling" over the idea of the same shenanigans for mutants being oppressed and feared fighting the oppressors all day long. Thats boring over used trope for mutant history

I see where you are coming from and I couldn't stretch it more enough towards the difference between "realistically" running a nation and "just" running a nation. So if you feel that virtues and ethics are the only way of exploring a nation. Then by that logic Krakoa is definitely different and new ideas compared to Utopia or Genosha.

[spice pine]

The basic plot of Krakoa is the same thing as Utopia and Genoshia. The X-Men make an island nation, don't allow humans (with a few exceptions), and then the Island ends up getting genocided.

The way Krakoa explored the idea is different, but the idea itself has happened way too much for it to be considered "new".

I wouldn't be as hard on Krakoa as I am if the way it explored the idea of being a nation wasn't as badly written as it was. The X-Men acted completely unlike themselves during the era - some examples I already brought up are the genocide of Terra Verde, then putting an actual Nazi on the quiet council, and them being a glorified sex cult because of Xavier and Nightcrawler, but here are a few things I haven't mentioned.

Throwing people who practiced safe sex and protested the "Make More Mutants" law into the infinite hole with Sabertooth (which was also literally hell).

The stupidity of them forgiving all their villains. Why was Gambit at the wedding of the person who 🍇ed him? Why was Captain America there?

The mass suicide and "crucible" was also a horrible idea that shouldn't have happened in a nation run by people who are supposed to be superheroes.

[noble saddle]

Like I said I see where you are coming from. And there is a huge difference between "realistically" running a nation and "just" running a nation with virtues, ethics, and fighting oppressors.

The latter has been overused within an x-plot so much so that it couldn't help but bend towards overusing "toxic" headbutting hero tropes. I specifically mention toxic because it literally creates a toxicity against each of their fandoms. That is why Krakoa is different and "new"

Feel free to disagree with the nuance of exploring nations btw. To each of their own.