Which cosmic force is more threatening?

[dense hazel]

Thanos a bitch

[misty escarp]

i feel like you dont get threatened by thanos
he just kills you

galactus, you know hes coming
and you fear him

[molten latch]

galactus eats worldds 💀

thanos

doesnt eat world

[dense hazel]

No one gets threatened by Thanos, Spider-Man and Wolverine soloed him

[austere reef]

Galactus was the final boss in a Lego game
Thanos has nothing on him

[livid drift]

yeah its just that im scared of the gloves not him

[lucid glacier]

didnt really much comics yet

so idk

[molten latch]

and when u beat him u get a minifig with iron man powers 😭

[austere reef]

Tf is that bane 😭

[lucid glacier]

so galactus is as powerful huh

[austere reef]

[lucid glacier]

im still in spidey comics tho
will be reading civil war soon, friend of mine said it will be dope

[patent oasis]

The thing with Thanos is that if you got every superhero in the universe to gang up against him then he doesn't really have anything on you. & plus Ultra Ultron just chopped him in half.

[misty escarp]

you can outsmart thanos

you can beat thanos

[sturdy gulch]

people voting thanos have no comic knowledge 🙏

[sour cloud]

Lol that Galactus image is something else

[dense hazel]

Your friend is lying

[lucid glacier]

[bitter parcel]

LICK ALL THE VILLANS

[bitter parcel]

Mee6 just leveled me up for saying this

[karmic cape]

Thanos is more threatening if he has the gauntlet

considering the fact that when he had it, he defeated Galactus among other cosmic beings

[viscid prism]

thanos is not threatening because without his army and gauntlet he is a strong foe but galactis literally eats planets

[sleek viper]

I chose Galactus cuz big and scary and powerful and allat

[cinder kernel]

Galactus doesn't need any gems or amps to require the undivided attention of the heroes in the universe.

He's just that crazy.

Galactus literally consume planets and has beings that’s empowered by the power cosmic to always help him throughout the universe

Thanos without the infinity stones isn’t even a threat to all heroes on earth, characters like Blue Marvel/ Sentry/ Hyperion/ Hulk could take Thanos on by themselves and pretty much walk victorious

Definitely giving this to Galactus

[wild hollow]

Chose galactus but maybe Thanos if he had the fully powered gauntlet.

[dim cedar]

Well, What can I say...

[cinder kernel]

Actually,it depends

If Thanos had his infinity gauntlet,he can one shoot Galactus

But if not ,he is a dead weight

[thin prism]

Crying baby vs atomic bomb

[stable flare]

why not

personally

i like infinity ultron

[flint otter]

i am more threatening

[smoky rover]

fr

[sour cloud]

no they can't

Out of all the ones you just called only Sentry has a chance of beating Thanos in a straight fight

As a matter of fact, Thanos can fight Blue Marvel, Hulk, Hyperion and Sentry at the same time and still win.

[cinder kernel]

BRO THANOS WAS JUST TRYING TO RIZZ DEATH DONT EVEN

[abstract abyss]

Squirrel Girl is winning both of these fights regardless🐿️

But Galactus is far more threatening

[cursive bloom]

Good question

Bruh

[dusty vine]

Galactus can literally eat a planet

It's game over for Thanos if he faced Galactus

[cursive bloom]

No in comic book thanos he's like a god

[cursive bloom]

@dusty vine

[empty pecan]

Are we talking omega thanos I assume normal thanos

[dusty vine]

but for being threatening, I think it goes to Galactus

[cursive bloom]

Normal thanos

[cursive bloom]

Did you Saw the picture ?

[dusty vine]

yeah

[empty pecan]

Galactus is 28 feet tall so he's probably more threatening

[cursive bloom]

Thanos can one shit him with the gantlet

[empty pecan]

They're both super powerful cosmic beings so the more powerful one wouldn't change how threatening they are to humanity

I think galactus is more threatening cause he will shove a bunch of tubes down and slowly annihilate the earth whereas thanos would just one shot Earth assuming he has the gauntlet

[cinder kernel]

lol are you serious?

[cinder kernel]

Read more, Blue Marvel is the most powerful hero in Marvel, he has 1 shotted Sentry already and has fought almost all of the other heroes and embarrassed them with ease

[cinder kernel]

Thanos was just recently struggling a back and forth with Hulk within a 1v1 let alone adding extra heroes that are much faster and can blitz Thanos…again read more, your information is outdated and just outright wrong

[sour cloud]

Blue Marvel is not at all the most powerful hero

[sour cloud]

He one shotted Golden Sentry

Thor did the same without the Odin Force

[cinder kernel]

Who is?

[sour cloud]

See that's the thing with Hulk. It depends on the Hulk we're talking about.

not to mention that fight was bad writing

[cinder kernel]

What’s the difference? You just said Sentry has a chance against Thanos but Blue Marvel > Ang version of Sentry

[sour cloud]

Blue Marvel cannot beat Void Sentry

[cinder kernel]

Current savage Hulk

[sour cloud]

then Savage Hulk loses hard

he's not even a challenge

current Hulk is Fractured Son

who is much stronger

[cinder kernel]

Funny, Merged Sentry is the most powerful version of Sentry correct?

[sour cloud]

I believe so

he's supposed to be

on paper

[cinder kernel]

It’s still savage Hulk just added on with a new title, there’s no unfree personality of Hulk called fractured son

[sour cloud]

??

Yes there is

[cinder kernel]

Merged Sentry has fought Black Panther/ Wasp/ King Cobra/ Okoye…and was damaged or effected by each of them

[sour cloud]

It's an entirely different personality and he's stronger than Savage Hulk

he's around Green Scar's level of power

[cinder kernel]

Which Incredible Hulk comic shows him being a new persona?

[sour cloud]

I can't recall the exact issue, I just know he is

[cinder kernel]

There’s only 2 left, Bruce and Savage Hulk everyone else is gone

[sour cloud]

regardless, it's more powerful than Savage Hulk and isn't called Savage Hulk

[cinder kernel]

Green Skaar lost to savage Hulk

[sour cloud]

Writer said he's around Green Scar

[sour cloud]

When

immortal hulk?

[cinder kernel]

You can’t make claims with 0 evidence to substantiate it, it’ll be considered hitchens razor

[cinder kernel]

Yes

[sour cloud]

I don't recall that

[cinder kernel]

“Closet voice” what’s the full context? Who asked him a question and what was the question?

[sour cloud]

Savage hulk has struggled with Hercules. Green Scar didn't.

[cinder kernel]

I’ll remind you in a bit

[cinder kernel]

Hercules is stronger than all personalities of Hulk, Green Skaar beat on a Hercules that allowed him to beat him

Hercules literally stop fighting after him almost knocked Green Skar out

[sour cloud]

OH I had it wrong

apparently fractured son is green scar

[sour cloud]

He didn't almost knock him out. He used a double fisted attacked and knocked him down

Hulk got back up

one hit left Hercules bloodied and bruised

something savage hulk has never accomplished

then I think comic showed Hercules taking 3 hits

[cinder kernel]

His voice sounds more like green skar? Because that entire statement has no mentions of power levels

[sour cloud]

unless ofc, there was supposed to be the implication that it was moret han 3 hits

[sour cloud]

I'll get the proper context for you

[cinder kernel]

He was struggling and stumbling to get back up 😂 and that’s only because Hercules didn’t jump on him while he was already down and didn’t decide to wail on him

[cinder kernel]

Sure

I’ll get the immoral Hulk context

[sour cloud]

This was Hercules after 2 hits from Green Scar when he was holding back.

[sour cloud]

True, Herc did hit him hard. Green Scar seemed to be stronger than he was tough.

[sour cloud]

Even by his fight with Thanos, even though it was already bad writing, it would've been supremely worse writing, if it was indeed Savage Hulk fighting Thanos

unless Savage Hulk was super angry and crashing out already before meeting Thanos, he would be put down easily

[sour cloud]

Immortal Hulk ignored both him and jane foster, unless you don't consider Immortal Hulk to be a personality.

[cinder kernel]

And this was Hulk after 1 hit…already on his head, just imagine if Hercules decided to pounce on him while he was down?

[cinder kernel]

You’re talking about a Hercules that allowed himself to be hit and damaged when he could’ve easily held his own and defend himself

[cinder kernel]

Same difference, you should be able to take a hit if you can dish it out all day

[sour cloud]

Yeah he could've done damage to Hulk if he continued

he still got busted and bloodied in 2 hits

[cinder kernel]

This is completely different context chief, all he said was the voice on his shoulder was pointing to the idea, not that it was proof of it…immortal Hulk debunks this notion

[sour cloud]

That entire implication is that this Hulk is closet to Green Scar

[cinder kernel]

You left out context again, this is Hulk after he absorbed energy from Red Hulk

Amped Hulk?

[sour cloud]

"closest voice" means closest character

[sour cloud]

No?

[cinder kernel]

So I’m not understanding the logic?

[sour cloud]

This was immortal hulk after Rogue tried draining him

[sour cloud]

Savage Hulk has gone blow to blow with Hercules

[cinder kernel]

In his personality…

[sour cloud]

with none of them having serious injuries

this hulk hits hercules twice and hercules has a swollen eye and is bleeding

[cinder kernel]

I have the comic issue, he absorbed Rulk before this and was amped with extra gamma

[cinder kernel]

Hercules can beat him though

[cinder kernel]

It was actually 3 hits

[sour cloud]

So you're saying he was amped after that red hulk encounter

[sour cloud]

im not talking about the 3

about talking about the first 2

[cinder kernel]

Yes

[sour cloud]

sure, but the fact is hercules doesn't take that much damage from savage hulk

[sour cloud]

No? That poster was referring to the overall character

personality is not specified

[cinder kernel]

He hits him beforehand too, it took Hulk 3 hits to do so and barely even knocked Hercules dii oh eh compared to only taking 1 hit for Hercules to knock Hulk on his back and he still healed his head getting up

1 hit compared to 3

[sour cloud]

No actually, that's not how it works. 'Glass cannon' exists for a reason.

[cinder kernel]

You’re back on that sure, Savage Hulk is stated to be the strongest of all personalities…coming from the one being that knows the power levels of each of them

[sour cloud]

Like I said, I'm not talking about the 3 hits.

One

This was how Hercules looked after that one hit

[cinder kernel]

The overall character? The character no longer exists as a personality…starship Hulk of after immortal Hulk but before current fractured son hulk…

[sour cloud]

already more damage than Savage Hulk has ever done

[cinder kernel]

Starship Hulk arc and immortal Hulk debunks that

[sour cloud]

No, they're referring to "Fractured Son" Hulk

[sour cloud]

this comes after

even if that was the case the writer can retcon

but as it is currently, the implication is that fractured son is different to savage hulk

[cinder kernel]

Exactly so after 1 hit there barely a difference and so it’s obvious that compared to Hercules he does less damage

[sour cloud]

barely a difference?

this was before the hit

his headpiece is off

his hair is all over

and his face is injured

[cinder kernel]

Ok, nevermind all of this…because you’re not understanding, we can settle all of this

Do you truly think Thanos can beat Blue Marvel/ Sentry/ Hulk and Hyperion by himself?

[sour cloud]

Yes

he has bullied Thor

and laughed off Thor's attacks

he already embarrassed Hulk

He cooked Silver Surfer

He fought Warrior's Madness Thor when he had the Power Gem

He cooked Lord Mar-Vell

Blue Marvel, Sentry (depending on the day), Hulk (base Savage Hulk) and Hyperion are not beating him

[cinder kernel]

Then explain this 1v1 interaction and Thanos going relative to Hulk?

[sour cloud]

This is not base Savage Hulk

[cinder kernel]

He can’t handle Hulk by himself yet he can handle Hyperion? Sentry? And the most powerful of all Blue Marvel?

[sour cloud]

now let's assume this was Green Scar

let me tell you why this was bad writing

[cinder kernel]

This is not relevant

[sour cloud]

relative?

[cinder kernel]

Autocorrect

[sour cloud]

that's not base savage hulk

which is who im referring to when talking about Hulk

[cinder kernel]

Debatable

[sour cloud]

because that's who most people think of

[sour cloud]

[cinder kernel]

Even if this was Green Skaar I just showed you evidence of Savage Hulk > All hulks

[sour cloud]

Um

hold on

[cinder kernel]

Savage Hulk > Devil Hulk > Green Skar

All of this already happens in Immortal Hulk

[cinder kernel]

Sure, take your time

[sour cloud]

LOL

immortal hulk

[cinder kernel]

?

[sour cloud]

yeah so Savage Hulk still isn't stronger than the others

[sour cloud]

that statement must be referring to probably savage hulk in general because his power grows infinitely

which would be true

[cinder kernel]

All Hulks gets stronger throughout a fight

[sour cloud]

but I'm referring to Savage hulk at his base strength before his power starts increasing

[cinder kernel]

Ok? Show the the differences

[sour cloud]

Professor hulk doesn't

And while yes, Green Scar can get stronger as well, I've found that people still choose to separate them by saying Green Scar was more controlled

[cinder kernel]

That’s not a personality 💀 that’s Bruce Banner with hulks body and he’s not a Hulk

[cinder kernel]

Ok? Show me why Green Skar has a stronger base than Savage Hulk’s base?

[sour cloud]

okay

[sour cloud]

The Hercules fight

[cinder kernel]

This is also assuming that’s what Leaders statement was referring to

Leader could easily be speaking in a generalization

[sour cloud]

but Green Scar in general is debatable

so I don't blame you

it's just that he's treated and considered stronger than base savage hulk

[cinder kernel]

So essentially, you’re going to compare a Hercules that held back to a Hercules that was much immature and much more eager to fight?

[cinder kernel]

I wouldn’t understand why

[sour cloud]

Ignore Hercules performance and look at the damage he took

How often did Savage Hulk leave Hercules bleeding?

im not talking about Herc's skill

im talking about his durability

he took multiple hits from savage hulk and thor with no issues

[cinder kernel]

Well can you show me Savage Hulk fighting Hercules in the same way?

[sour cloud]

yet he bleeds and gets a swollen eye from Green Scar

and that's while green scar is holding back

[sour cloud]

ok

[sour cloud]

oops

not a great example

let me find another one

[cinder kernel]

Does Hulk land 3 hits on Hercules face? To then make a comparison between the injures/ damages?

[cinder kernel]

Same question here, where does Hulk land anything on Hercules to then say Green Skar is more impressive?

And if I’m not mistaken, Green Skar probably never truly existed as a personality…it may have always been Leader in disguise

Because we don’t see how Leader possesses or takes control over GS, so it may have always been him just using Hulk’s body

But again if it Green Skar was a personality it goes back to what I said about Leader having GS’s body and still saying base Savage Hulk was the strongest of all of them

This isn’t an enraged Savage Hulk, his emotions are clearly mellowed and he’s sad more so than angry…so base SH is stated strongest

[dense hazel]

Can he fight Spider-Man and Wolverine at the same time and lose?

[sour cloud]

So funnily enough, Hulk almost never lands a direct punch on Hercules in their fights

so it was hard to find an exact comparison

[sour cloud]

This was Hulk after being separated by Banner

regardless, even if we agreed Savage Hulk is the strongest Hulk for the sake of conversation, his one win against Thanos wouldn't be enough to say definitely that he should be able to beat thanos 1v1 when Thanos has a history of getting past him and other characters around his level without much trouble

[sour cloud]

😭

[sour cloud]

Was this not Joe Fixit in this fight

[queen idol]

cause galactus isn't trying to destroy the universe

[urban lotus]

Galactus is basically cosmic destruction

[cinder kernel]

He hits him once and there’s barely a difference if anything at all…similarly to when he hits him once in WWH

[cinder kernel]

Exactly so we can’t determine their strength based on using Hercules as a common denominator

[wild cave]

Thanos Is a litte wus

On baby he is

[cinder kernel]

Exactly, notice how Hulk was fighting these characters back then and they couldn’t take him down regardless of how hard they tried compared to Hercules 1 attack putting him on his neck 😂

[wild cave]

Hulks prime lasted maybe 3 years

[cinder kernel]

It simply means this is the strongest version of Hulk so far and his current strength levels would be higher than any other version, which tracks since we know that this is a version of Hulk that’s more angry than ever since Banner tried to betray him and contained him while torturing him against characters like Thanos and Galactus etc

[cinder kernel]

It was Savage Hulk being controlled vs Joe Fixit Hulk

[sour cloud]

The WWH hit left him bruised

[sour cloud]

We can. They're clearly relative to each other.

Well, Savage Hulk and Hercules that is

[cinder kernel]

But the important part is the Leader (who’s studied Hulks possibly longer than any one else have actually controlled Green Skar or was Green Skar) still says Savage Hulk > any other version

[cinder kernel]

Let’s say that Green Skar was stronger than Savage Hulk…we still can’t say that was the version of Hulk fought Thanos

[cinder kernel]

That’s not what I’m saying, Hercules has different power levels and is very inconsistent and even then I don’t think he was damage in either fight

[sour cloud]

For the sake of the convo, let's say that "Fractured Son" was the Savage Hulk (because it's never confirmed to be savage hulk), Thanos would still beat everyone else mentioned in a 1v1 or at the same time.

[sour cloud]

More like green scar is inconsistent

[sour cloud]

The writer had Green Scar in mind

[cinder kernel]

Well you’ve already admitted Sentry is a challenge for Thanos, Sentry isn’t even top 3 strongest heroes currently

[cinder kernel]

?

[sour cloud]

I said depending on the day

[sour cloud]

He sometimes massacred Savage Hulk level opponents then had difficulty with them

[cinder kernel]

He said his personality was based off him, but again if we read Immortal Hulk and Starship Hulk all personas are gone other than Savage Hulk 💀

[sour cloud]

He was supposed to be stronger than base savage hulk, but was getting cooked by Juggernaut, who savage hulk has beaten

[cinder kernel]

Wym?

[cinder kernel]

Examples?

[sour cloud]

Did more damage to Hercules than base Thor or base Savage Hulk have done yet got trouble with Juggernaut

Thing was never really Savage Hulk level but Ben could give hulk a fight

[cinder kernel]

Wait struggling with Juggernaut? Savage Hulk beat Juggernaut?

[sour cloud]

still somehow Ben's hits left WWH bleeding

when he struggled to make even Savage Hulk bleed

[cinder kernel]

Their fights was completely different to each other

[sour cloud]

yeah Savage Hulk has beaten juggernaut iirc

but juggernaut himself is also inconsistent

[cinder kernel]

Do you remember when?

[sour cloud]

wait no

that was immortal hulk

savage hulk just fought evenly with juggernaut

[cinder kernel]

Because a weaker Juggernaut was struggling to fight Immortal Hulk who’s stronger than green Skar

[cinder kernel]

That makes more sense

[sour cloud]

No that was supposed to be a more powerful juggernaut

[cinder kernel]

No, Juggernaut was no longer powered by the elder god Cyttorak, he was relying on the jem alone and was far weaker

He even lost to fodder characters in his series

[sour cloud]

Oh that makes more sense

[cinder kernel]

Also Juggernaut admits he was weaker than Hulk

[sour cloud]

yeah I remember that

[cinder kernel]

But I’m curious, do you think Golden Sentry is capable of beating Thanos?

Or are you saying Void alone?

[sour cloud]

Golden Sentry when he decides to be powerful is capable of beating him

[cinder kernel]

Wait you still believe Sentry powers fluctuates?

[sour cloud]

he flew through a dead celestial that was under Knull's control

[sour cloud]

Uhh, no, I just dont have a clear picture of golden sentry's power level

like I said, in canon WWH was supposed to be stronger than base savage hulk

but sentry stalemated him

and still had difficulty with base savage hulk in another fight

unless he was just holding back

that's always possible

[cinder kernel]

Dead Celestials that were but held together covered in Symbiots

[cinder kernel]

I see

But do you also believe that there are heroes more powerful than Blue Marvel?

[sour cloud]

yeah

[sour cloud]

definitely

blue marvel destroyed the shell of a beyonder I think and that was cool

but the phoenix was just testing him

[cinder kernel]

Any of them being Hyperion? Gladiator? Etc?

[sour cloud]

Definitely not

Gladiator isn't even Nova Prime level

[cinder kernel]

What superhero do you think beats Blue Marvel?

[sour cloud]

Franklin Richards

[cinder kernel]

Franklin Richards most powerful feat is only universal

[sour cloud]

and possibly Golden Sentry

[sour cloud]

what does blue marvel have beyond that

[cinder kernel]

Well Golden Sentry has already been 1 shotted by Anti-Man, the same Anti-Man that was defeated by Blue Marvel with ease

[cinder kernel]

1 shotting and killing a multiversal being in his own place of power called Ivory Kings/ Beyonder

Then proceeds to fight the WHR itself by himself in a 1v1

[sour cloud]

he didnt kill the beyonder

and phoenix was just testing him

[sour cloud]

he destroyed the beyonder's shell

[cinder kernel]

The same WHR that has the Beyond scared and shivering his timbers, comparing himself to a blended vegetable in the face of the WHR

[cinder kernel]

He did, he destroyed it at the atomic level and killed it

[sour cloud]

he didnt it

that was the shell

[cinder kernel]

I’ll get it

[sour cloud]

sure

[cinder kernel]

No, it was a disguise/ flesh suit to look more humanoid for the Defenders…it’s not a shell

[cinder kernel]

Ok

[sour cloud]

Yeah that beyonder projected himself as a being of matter for them to perceive him

and blue marvel is living anti matter

this is a good feat still, it was still a manifestation of a beyonder

but this wasn't the true beyonder's body

and BM used basically a weakness to his physical form

[cinder kernel]

Beyonders have always been beings of matter

[sour cloud]

this doesn't put BM anywhere near multiversal

[cinder kernel]

He’s positive anti-matter, meaning it doesn’t cause a negative chain reaction with matter…hence why Blue Marvel can exist in the regular universe and cause destruction everywhere he walks or everywhere he uses his powers

[cinder kernel]

Not even his best

The is pre retcon Beyonder admitting inferiority to WHR

[cinder kernel]

“Clothed themselves” (Disguise) in matter only to project a humanoid form…but their original forms are still matter

They don’t look human in their original form

[sour cloud]

the orignal forms are not matter

that's literally why they clothe it **in **matter

why clothe matter **in **matter if the purpose of clothing in matter is to be visible

[cinder kernel]

Again there’s a difference between stable AM and unstable AM, unstable = it can’t coexist within the matter universe

[cinder kernel]

?

So what do you think they’re made from? Are they spiritual/ non material beings?

The physical beings called Celestials created the Beyonders…

[sour cloud]

Do you consider energy matter

[cinder kernel]

It puts it beyond in actuality, Beyonders are already multiversal and WHR is literally beyond the omniverse

[cinder kernel]

Depends on the energy

Not all energies are matter

[sour cloud]

So you believe Blue Marvel can destroy entire universes

[cinder kernel]

What’s the disagreement? I thought this was basic power scaling and already established in Marvel comics…

[cinder kernel]

Huh? Thats like asking me if Beyonders can destroy universes when they’ve already destroyed multiverses…

[sour cloud]

LMAOOO

[cinder kernel]

Blue Marvel > Beyonders

[sour cloud]

😭

[cinder kernel]

Where’s the funny part?

I literally just showed you him 1 shoting a Beyonder in its place of power

[sour cloud]

I'll get back to you on that Blue Marvel scaling thing at another time

[cinder kernel]

Not sure what to get back to, I just showed you evidence but sure

What’s next? 💀

[sour cloud]

So we've established Blue Marvel is multiversal

[cinder kernel]

Ok

[sour cloud]

why he had difficulty with Thanos and Sentry is beyond me then

but going back to your original statement, you said BM and those other heroes can solo Thanos

[cinder kernel]

Because he’s always held back and struggling? Stretch

[sour cloud]

so you admit a multiversal being can solo Thanos

cool

are you saying hyperion and sentry are close to BM's power?

[cinder kernel]

For the most part? Yes

Not at all, just that they’re one of the strongest beings on the planet

[sour cloud]

I don't think I'd hold back against Thanos but okay

clearly he didnt want to beat Thanos

[sour cloud]

okay noted

[cinder kernel]

Why not? Blue Marvel isn’t trying to kill Thanos

Show me where he’s trying in any of his fights?

[sour cloud]

then why mentioned BM in the same sentence as Sentry, Hulk and Hyperion?

[sour cloud]

In the Defenders run were War Machine is killed

and then again recently when Thanos returns

[cinder kernel]

Because it’s called examples? Not sure what you’re questioning

[sour cloud]

beyonder is part of the defenders but they decide to bring hulk to stop thanos instead

or were they the infinity watch

whatever it was, there was a team that decided hulk had the power to stop Thanos

and this leads into Hulk and Thanos' most recent fight

[cinder kernel]

Blue Marvel was trying against Thanos? No, what happens is Blue Marvel constantly tries to take Thanos on alive with his powers not kill him and the entire universe alone with it

[sour cloud]

I'll give you the equivalent of your sentence. "Thanos isn't the strong at base. He can be solo'd by Pre-Retcon Beyonder, Hercules, Thing and Rhino."

one example is clearly far above the others in power

[cinder kernel]

1. It’s not the defenders 💀 it’s called the ultimates
2. There’s context that you aren’t aware of

[sour cloud]

i knew it was one of them

enlighten me of the context pls

[cinder kernel]

Not really, there’s no comparison in the examples just many characters that lives on Earth that can solo Thanos

[sour cloud]

Okay then

noted

[cinder kernel]

So if that goes from Franklin Richards and Wanda/ Scarlet Witch/ Jean Grey Phoenix then to Sentry then to Squirrel Girl then I don’t see the problem of the examples?

[cinder kernel]

Ok, so do you still disagree? I don’t see any of the characters in my examples not being able to beat Thanos and walk away

If anything, saying Thanos can solo them all is the craziest take yet…especially since we’ve already seen a few of them fight Thanos and held their own in a 1v1

[sour cloud]

No I understand them now

you were just calling earth characters

[cinder kernel]

I see, so Thanos compared to Galactus? I wouldn’t say there aren’t heroes that can beat Galactus but it’s definitely a less number than the number that can beat Thanos

Even then I’d say the can walk away from Thanos but not away from Galactus 💀

[sour cloud]

No Thanos is far from Galactus

I just thought you believed base Thor (before receiving Odin Force) level characters can beat Thanos

[cinder kernel]

No? What do you mean? You think Thanos is far above Galactus? Thanos > Galactus? Interesting

[cinder kernel]

That’s exactly what I’m saying, Sentry/ Hulk/ Hyperion/ Gladiator/ Wonder Man are all around that level

Even though Thor isn’t that much above them even with the Odin force added to him

Maybe current Thor with the power of Zeus may be stronger than all of them now tho

[sour cloud]

Yeah depending on how much energy Galactus has

[sour cloud]

yeah no they cant beat Thanos

solo or in a group

well, in a group they have a chance

they have a chance solo too but it's super slim

Thor has the highest chance only because of the Godblast

[sour cloud]

LOL

He's supposed to be far above them

but yeah by his actual showcases, he isn't that far above

[sour cloud]

Sentry you can make a case for due to his matter manipulation powers or whatever

Hyperion gets cooked easily

Gladiator shouldn't even be a challenge

Wonder Man shouldn't even be in the discussion since he's admitted repeatedly he's not as strong as Thor

but I'll give him credit, he's still pretty strong and held his own against Gladiator

[cinder kernel]

Even then, a starving Galactus is above them

[cinder kernel]

Who specifically?

[cinder kernel]

Highest? I wouldn’t say that

[cinder kernel]

Exactly my point, he’s already fought a few characters even after his Odin amp and was struggling against them still

[cinder kernel]

Sentry doesn’t use his matter manipulation at all, and each and every time he has used it’s always been the void, if anything that’s probably just an attribute of Void and not Sentry/ Bob

[cinder kernel]

Hyperion is always shown relative to Thor and Hulk if it’s referring to the normal Hyperion, but then you have Hyperion that was an eternal who 1 shotted Hulk/ Held apart 2 universes/ Stalemated Blue Marvel with pure physicality

[cinder kernel]

Gladiator is arguably above everyone here except Blue Marvel

[sour cloud]

None of them

aside from maybe current Hulk

[cinder kernel]

That’s not true, he’s always admitted he was on Thor’s level of strength and they was probably only before he was made completely of Ion energy, Wonder Man has fought and beat Rulk/ Thor etc

[sour cloud]

yeah he does

[cinder kernel]

That too

[sour cloud]

he already has strength and durability on that level

but has his powerful lightning in addition to it

and the other stupid abilities Mjolnir has

OP weapon

[cinder kernel]

Interesting take, Thanos has already lost to/ stalemated half of them already

[sour cloud]

Definitely not

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No?

[cinder kernel]

Why?

[sour cloud]

not solo

[sour cloud]

Gladiator has fought against Thor and was even with him

but that was when Thor was holding back

[cinder kernel]

Gladiator is literally faster than most of them and has bullied Thor and other heroes before

[sour cloud]

When he stopped holding back Thor beat him

[sour cloud]

Never bullied Thor Odinson

[cinder kernel]

Gladiator > Jane Foster Mighty Thor > Thor

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LMAO

[cinder kernel]

He scales above him

[sour cloud]

Thor is above Jane Foster

and Gladiator lost to Thor straight up

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In what universe???

[cinder kernel]

I’m not talking about current Thor but when Thor only has his hammer without Odin/ Zeus/ Galactus power she wins

[sour cloud]

yeah that same thor

gladiator lost to him

nothing suggests gladiator is above him

at best you can put gladiator equal

[cinder kernel]

Via Jane Foster and him beating characters way above Thors level

[cinder kernel]

When?

[cinder kernel]

Thor admits Jane is above him

[sour cloud]

He was wrong

[sour cloud]

What characters did he beat??

He lost to Professor Hulk

He got cooked by Tyrant like everyone else

He's definitely not above Silver Surfer

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at any point

unless Surfer was weakened

[cinder kernel]

Thor is wrong above his own power levels and hers? Based on?

[sour cloud]

Based on their actual showings?

Thor beat Gladiator straight up

Jane was physically overpowered by Gladiator

[cinder kernel]

Mighty Thor? Thanos? Hyperion? Far more

[cinder kernel]

?

[sour cloud]

Mighty Thor isn't. Neither is Hyperion. He knocked out a weakened Thanos

[cinder kernel]

Was that version of Thor capable of beating Odin?

[sour cloud]

Thanos had a virus that was killing him

[sour cloud]

Jane fought a weakened Odin

that wasnt full power Odin

and she still wasnt winning

[cinder kernel]

Well still, that version of Thanos still fought entire teams/ Phoenix’s by himself and either won or struggled in a stalemate until he stopped

[sour cloud]

Hyperion being above Thor is comedy as well

at best he's equal to Thor

[cinder kernel]

Proof of him being weakened?

[sour cloud]

ah

okay

[cinder kernel]

Hyperion has beaten Thor

At this point you’re arguing against the comics and everything that’s stated and established 💀

You’re using headcanon against actual canon 😂

[sour cloud]

when?

[sour cloud]

my guy Odin was weakened by lack of odinsleep and Thor has beaten Gladiator

i didnt bother saving the panels because I thought it was common knowledge

but i know now

[sour cloud]

Mangog also implies it

[sour cloud]

wait

which Hyperion are you referring to

the Hyperion of Earth 712 or Earth 13034

[cinder kernel]

Hyperion actually has beaten Thor (I can find the comic later if need be) but I meant to say he was stronger than Thor by far even recently, a weakened Hyperion was still bullying a Thor that was going all out in heroes reborn

[cinder kernel]

Gladiator has beaten Thor, show me Thor beating Gladiator

[cinder kernel]

Nothing in the scan says he’s weakened 💀

[sour cloud]

"There was a time I could crumble planets with a wave of my hand or snuff out stars with my breath"

[cinder kernel]

This doesn’t mean power levels

[sour cloud]

Are you kidding me?

[cinder kernel]

He can easily be talking about anything else like personality/ outfits etc

[sour cloud]

It is in this EXACT comic Thor puts down Gladiator when he stops holding back

[cinder kernel]

You’d be implying that Mangog is also saying Thor is weaker physically because he makes the same statement…and even then Odin sleep doesn’t drain Odin

[sour cloud]

See this is why context is important

when you read the run it very clearly means power level

[sour cloud]

Thor didn't have mjolnir

he was different

Odin lacked Odinsleep

and what are you talking about?

the amount of odinsleep does drain him

[cinder kernel]

Back was Odin was a tyrant that literally waged war on the 10 realms? Again there’s nothing suggesting he was weakened, Odin can again be talking about him not having the same motivations or drive to crush planets….this is the SAME Odin that fought a living galaxy but you think he’s saying he’s not planetary? 💀

So I’m assuming you think this Odin is below Zeus?

[sour cloud]

That doesn't work because he if he wasn't weakened then he could still do that

he would instead say "There was a time I **would **crumble planets..etc"

[cinder kernel]

Context? I’ll get it in a bit lol

[sour cloud]

there is no context beyond this

[cinder kernel]

Ok based on what?

[sour cloud]

yes

[cinder kernel]

Using vague claims doesn’t prove he’s weaker

[sour cloud]

the very fact he was getting difficulty with Jane proves he's weaker

jane in that same run lost to Gladiator

and was getting trouble with Unworthy Thor

She was also getting difficulty with Annihilus

Someone Odin had no problem dealing with

but Thor Odinson did

[cinder kernel]

Huh? So what? I was talk about physicality, not weaponry, but even Thor Odinson was weaker than Jane Foster by far and even she (who has much much greater power and greater control/ ability over mjolnir) was still losing…

[cinder kernel]

Proof?

[cinder kernel]

Why are you saying he couldn’t? He never says he couldn’t do it if he tried…he’s talking the version of himself that was ruthless and short tempered and was fighting the god tempest

[sour cloud]

Proof that Thor was weaker than Jane?

[cinder kernel]

There is, I’ll get it in a bit

[sour cloud]

Because if he still had that power he woulv'de said "would"

could means he no longer could do it even if he wanted to

[cinder kernel]

Huh??? That’s what’s in question, Odin himself isn’t that much more powerful than Thor Odinson let alone Jane…and I don’t see why that means Odin was weaker instead of saying Jane could be that much stronger to match Odin?

Same Jane fought the Phoenix

Same Jane literally had feats fighting beings like Mangog and doing better than Odin AND Thor

[sour cloud]

When?

[cinder kernel]

Sure, I’ll show you Thor admitted inferiority

[cinder kernel]

Again would implies he’d have the need to do so which he doesn’t

But again what’s your logic?

Odin isn’t even planetary here??

[sour cloud]

When he's amping his attacks with Odin Force his physical strength is higher

[sour cloud]

No it literally doesn't

[cinder kernel]

Because if you say that then you’d have to say that implies fur other characters that fought relative to him during this entire arc

[sour cloud]

No?

just that he wasn't at full power

[cinder kernel]

Huh? Where’s the proof of this? Odin Force is based on his magical powers and energy/ not physical strength (unless you’re talking about wrapping his hands in energy) but he’s not faster not physically stronger

[cinder kernel]

“Would” doesn’t imply “would”?

[sour cloud]

He can use the odin force to increase his physical strength

[sour cloud]

What I said is literally what would means

[cinder kernel]

Ok? So was Odin not making a claim about planets and that he couldn’t destroy them…according to your logic?

[cinder kernel]

Again, proof?

[sour cloud]

I don't recall that specifically

if he did then okay

[sour cloud]

He literally uses it to grow in size and strength against Galactus

[cinder kernel]

Would implied the possibility of the said action, “I would beat you”/ “I would destroy stars”/ “I would destroy planets”

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YES

[cinder kernel]

It’s in your scan? You sent it

[sour cloud]

It means there's a possibility

[cinder kernel]

Odin is talking about stars and planets

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His statement with "could" means he no longer can accomplish such feats

[cinder kernel]

Yet your logic is implying his planetary feats and star feats are in his glory days

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oh sorry you meant that

[sour cloud]

then I guess that's what it means

[cinder kernel]

Do you think size increases/ decreases = physical changes in strength? And again this is obviously not what I’m talking about when it comes to his physical prowess…I’m saying Odin staying the same size yet still using the Odin force doesn’t change his physical strength

[cinder kernel]

Exactly

So would entails the NEED

[cinder kernel]

Ok then, you’d say that Odin is not planetary?

[sour cloud]

1. He literally increases his physical strength in that panel, it's how he even damages Galactus.
2. Do you think something as versatile as the Odin Force will be limited to size alteration when it comes to physical enhancement?

[sour cloud]

NO

it doesnt

[sour cloud]

What he says doesn't imply he's not planetary

he just can't do a planetary wave of hand

[cinder kernel]

1. Gladiator damages an amped Galactus without needing a size increase
2. Same concept for Thor, Thors lightning is lightning but his lightning doesn’t physically amp him or increases his size, Odin force could be a magical force that he can use in combat and in magic way such as size alterations but it doesn’t mean it includes strength increases

And I asked you if size alterations automatically means strength increases

Because people who shrink aren’t weaker 💀

Atomic levels even

[cinder kernel]

I’ll show the definition in a bit

I’ll still get the scan from earlier too

[cinder kernel]

So he’s planetary but not with ease?

[sour cloud]

1. Gladiator is irrelevant? Not sure what it's supposed to prove here.
2. Okay

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No, I'm saying he can't destroy a planet with a wave of his hand

[cinder kernel]

Ok…so if he’s not planetary with a wave, he’s definitely not star level let alone galaxy level?

[sour cloud]

Make of that what you will

I'll concede the Odin Force amping physical strength point

[cinder kernel]

1. It’s proving size doesn’t matter when you’re strength alone makes the difference, doubt size increases or decreases strength
2. Okay? You agree?

[sour cloud]

1. I never said size increase = more strength? So not sure what that was for
2. Yes

[cinder kernel]

But if you’re star/ galaxy level I don’t see why he couldn’t? Odin is no longer star level or galaxy level correct?

[sour cloud]

🤷‍♂️

He just can no longer crumble a planet with the wave of his hand

[cinder kernel]

You were just arguing for him being able to increase his strength and your example of this was Odin increasing his size so that implies you were using that example to prove he gets stronger with size…if but then what’s the relevance?

[cinder kernel]

But he would still need to scale somewhere right?

[sour cloud]

I was saying that he uses the odin force to increase his size and strength, not that he has to increase his size to increase his strength

[sour cloud]

yeah

[cinder kernel]

So it’s still in question whether or not his strength increases…all you argued was that he can increase his size

[cinder kernel]

Also I just reread the first 5 issues of mighty Thor…Odin and the Odin sleep was never an issue

So he wasn’t weakened when he fought Jane

Your scan must’ve been many many many issues afterwards

And so Jane Foster / Odin > Thor (even with Mjolnir)

Unless you have reason to suspect him being weakened in another way? Which requires proof btw, so even if you have suspicions it needs to be validated for it to have value

[rancid tiger]

This was a no brainer

Galactus is waaay more powerful than thanos

[empty pecan]

That was one insane MCU power level argument

[rugged hemlock]

galactus was beaten by sg though

[dense hazel]

Sg?

[slow owl]

He looks more powerful

[cursive bloom]

He's not

[dense hazel]

Who?

[cursive bloom]

Good question

[rugged hemlock]

squirrel girl

[dense hazel]

Thanos was beaten by her tok

Too*

[rugged hemlock]

ooo true

[amber laurel]

y'all gotta be more specific with these type of questions

like do you mean overall? or at their most powerful

[tiny star]

up to interpretation! we're not looking for a concrete answer, we're more interested to see how people discuss it

[frail coral]

Same