#Should Kang be recast or scrapped entirely?
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recast fs
kang actually has a believable reason to be recast
somehow kang returned
i mean
didnt he get discarded offscreen entirely?
Idk, i just vote yes
Recast and drastically rewritten. He's been terrible since his MCU introduction.
No?
i think a few recast
and probably some kang skeletons around dooms introduction or smth
thought the mcu already dropped and forgot abt him
recast would be best if this next arc is really all about him, but no one really cared about ant man 3 for him to be completely written off
Well, Isn't this fitting? (for my answer: He just looks cool)
yeah they are moving on from him but they can’t just pretend he doesn’t exist cuz we saw all those variants and stuff
i think they should recast and then deal with it instead of doing it off screen
makes sense
nah he was literally the best part of the antman movie
the movie was mid too man, if they do recast him
hope they do it better this time
he was the only good part of that movie
As of right now I think it would be best to discard him as it doesn't seem they are going to focus on Kang with the new Avengers movies rn, but perhaps later they can recast him if they have a new plot that works. Idk if it will tho, depends on how the multiverse stuff ends in Secret Wars
That movie was terrible and he was Kang in name only. Not at all the villain he should be.
what i mean is that the film was a shit film with a pretty damn good antagonist
was kang in the comics a big hit?
yeah whom they under-utilised 😔
thats one of the problems with that film lmao
Recast. I was looking forward to Kang
for real
i could accept Antman beating him in a more believable way but literal enhanced ants beating him? like wtf 😭
Yes but the mcu isn't really comic based. It is but at an extremely slower rate. Have to pick and choose what storylines they wanna do
He's too important.
what about the upcoming secret wars and few other films
heard they were huge bangers as comics back in the day?
im lowkey hyped up for these movies man
I thought he's the right kind of whacky for the MCU
If they're bringing in Dr. Doom, I feel like Kang will conflict with that (for the most part, they can still do some kind of transition thing) so at least for this saga, I think it would be best to discard
I like when Doom and Kang interact
If they can write Secret Wars in a way that would make sense to have both Kang and Dr. Doom together, then I think they should recast but if not then I don't think it's worth it.
And by having them together I mean more than just like a transition scene from Kang to Doom as a villain bc then a recast kinda will be wasted in a way bc if they recast I would want to see him still have a major part of the story, not just passing the torch to Dr. Doom
there is no way he’s gonna have a major part in the movie
it is gonna be a transition
to doom
I’m fine with them going fully with doom bc doom is cooler
Yeah that's how I feel too, which is why I don't think they should recast. At least not without having a plan to still have him in the next saga
a recast doesn’t mean kang is gonna be a main character lol they could just do it so that we can see the transition from kang to doom onscreen
Yeah idk why they didn't just recast in the first place
i mean they should recast and just use him later hes a time traveler for mephistos sake
I felt the same with Black Panther tbh, even though I know no one was going to be able to top Boseman's performance
Right now Kang is at a good place to not need a transition bc his story can be rewritten as closure with the end of Loki S2 so if they do a recast for a transition then I think that would be a waste of a recast.
I think they should only recast if they still have plans for him to be a main character
I mean they was setting him up to be a decent character its a shame it all got scrapt
Other actors has done way worse (RDJ/ Ezra Miller and a few others) yet they were all able to come back to the screen…
He wasn’t even guilty 💀
We honestly shouldn’t let an actor ruin a character
Ant-Man couldn't beat Kang on his own, or even with the cast in Quantumania.
Kang could solo the entire old comics Avengers with no difficulty and only lost because of a slight oversight. Same with the Fantastic Four.
He sure as hell isn't losing to socialist ants
i haven't seen the new ant man so idk what else they did but tbh they should at the very least bring back the og actor (can't remember his name) and give kang an ending of some sort, right now he just kind of disappears and it's kind of random
give us kodos 😆
He’s arrested for assault
Did you just say RDJ was worse than Majors?
I think discarding Kang is a mistake.
He fits into the whole multiverse/time thing. He fits into the Young Avengers. He fits into the TVA stuff.
Sure, some of the stuff he's been involved with hasn't been as well-received, but throwing stuff away is not the answer. Fixing it and moving forward is.
Drug addiction is not the same as domestic abuse man
i thought he got acquitted?
I believe he was arrested, at a minimum he stood trial.
Yes, RDJ actually went to jail multiple times for drugs like cocaine/ heroin/ weed from 1996 to 2000’s, yet he was given a chance to play Iron Man…what did Majors do other than being found not guilty? Yet 2 different careers
Not saying it’s the same, I’m saying both are illegal and only one of them was “proven” to not be guilty
He was, hence why he served 0 time and is walking around now with Megan Good 💀
RDJ has had a worse track record than Majors…yet he was able to play Iron Man and now DOOM??? Wowzers
I’m saying I don’t think they will if they arnt gonna make him the main charector
But who knows
Brought him back for round 2 in the MCU 😵💫💀
And correct me if I’m wrong but I think he’s the only person playing 2 different characters in the MCU, no other actor has 2 roles 😭
Assault is a bit different than drug abuse. Plus it’s way more recent
RDJ’s addiction was years before the MCU and he was a few years clean
Sure it’s different but both still illegal, and the point is why is a non guilty person fired while a convict/ multiple offender gets not 1 role but 2? Especially if you compare track records?
RDJ is just 1 example, Ezra Miller…
A have a few others
Because he assaulted a person. That’s very different than drug abuse. Plus RDJ’s past was years behind him. In this case the incident happened during his time with Marvel.
I don’t remember who that is?
You said this already, physical abuse wouldn’t matter if you’re acquitted and proven non guilty of the crime, compared to a known addict with a track record of your average crackhead on the street 💀
Easy, just look him up, he’s a menace 😭 beating up females on video/ beat up grandmothers/ started a cult and more
Was he proven non-guilty? I haven’t seen that anywhere?
He dosent play anyone in the MCU.
He was proven guilty by the way.
Yes, just look up his court records, it’s all publicized
That wasn’t relevant to my argument, but if its strictly MCU only then sure, RDJ/ Josh Brolin/ Mickey Rourke and again many more with a record in their background
I wish I had pic perms 💀 but no it’s a split decision, but he still walked away and was acquitted hence why he’s not imprisoned
MCU and DCEU are entirely different companies. I definitely don’t agree with DC if that is true. The problem is Majors did it while working at marvel, like you said all of the others have it in their background. Not to mention Assault is much worse than drug abuse.
“Majors was found guilty on two misdemeanor charges in a domestic violence case — assault in the third degree and harassment in the second degree — relating to a March 2023 argument with his former girlfriend, Grace Jabbari.”
Different companies with similar policies and yet the law and recruitment is still the same and only one of them are making exceptions, I don’t know what you mean by worse, false accusations exist meanwhile it’s not the same for addicts whereas technology proves you’re under the influence…that’s not a comparison between he say and she say, which is all hearsay, but “worse” is subjective, both are still objectively illegal and placed on your criminal history
And even then, it’s not only RDJ, you seek to be fixated on individualism instead of illegal politics
Yes, split decision
Except, once again, one of them isn’t history, one of them is. That’s the biggest issue.
A felon is a felon regardless of the time period, it doesn’t leave your record…MCU would be willfully looking into his background and still chose him as a criminal
Majors is under investigation and is still walking free as we speak
Where is this from?
Yes, which as you gracefully pointed out, is history. However, Majors is guilty of something he did at the time of filming.
No, he was found guilty.
You’re still not understanding the point, so I’ll simplify, am I only referring to RDJ history? Or am I arguing other things as well? I just want to make sure you understand me correctly
Did you actually look at the official documentation or just some articles? 💀
Guilty of third degree misdemeanor, but was acquitted of all other charges
I believe what you are trying to say is that both RDJ, and Majors have a criminal history.
Acquitted of the actual physical assault charges specifically
No
Okay explain then.
Sure
He is guilty of assault
NPR is the source
He was found guilty of Assault and Harassment, both Felonies in the State of New York.
- RDJ is a known criminal, I’m comparing current records of RDJ (currently on his background) to current records of Majors, yet there’s nitpicking
- Majors is not found completely guilty and was acquitted of his charges, shown in the official documents
- An guilty person with evidence of the crime would not and could not be walking around as a free man, false allegations exists therefore it’s unreasonable to automatically call him guilty within context, and the worse he’s being charged with is…probation? Not actual prison not jail time??? 2 and 2…
Click on the link, it’ll probably show you exactly what’s it’s referring to
I swear I wish I had scan perms lol but look up the actual court record documents
Or just google exactly what the “specific” charges are
He was not found guilty of intentional assault
Do you know that if you accidentally bump into someone it’s assault?
There’s context for being guilty
RDJ is a known drug abuser. That is very different than abuse. They are not the same thing at all. If RDJ was found using drugs during filming (which again I repeat physical violence is much worse) he would likely be fired. However he was clean for three years.
Majors was found guilty for two FELONIES, Assault and Harassment.
He is not walking around free, he has to do a 8 month anger management program sentenced by a judge. In the state of New York you do not have to be sentenced to jail for a felony.
Woah, how are you underlining? 💀
Do the double _ before and after, with no space in between it.
Also official court documents for his conviction aren’t out yet, but they are for the trail.
Gotcha, we can continue now, I was just curious, somewhat new to discord 😂
No worries! 😂
They built up that entire storyline for a reason, scrapping it wouldn’t make sense and would be confusing
Yes, I don’t disagree with 1 crime being worse than another, stealing candy from a candy store isn’t as bad as an actual bank robbery, granted, but point still stands on both crimes still being illegal, if you have a track record of stealing for years and you became a felon only for someone to hire you and therefore you hide your stealing tendencies or simply get better at it so that it’s less obvious, the likelihood of you not being a thief isn’t very likely, yet your job still gave you a second chance…a second shot at greatness, yet someone who is also a criminal gets 0 chances and is automatically permanently punished with 0 redemption? Reminds me of the Bible, angels sinned once and was forever fallen and destined for eternal darkness, yet humans not only get 2 chances but many? Even with the likelihood of humans continuous history of sinning? See the comparison?
He was just at a book signing and movie theater with his girlfriend 💀 just because you have an obligation to show up to probation doesn’t exactly mean you aren’t going home at night, compared to actual inmates
W
W logic
So by that logic if I committed vandalism 5 years ago, was processed in a court of law, and was crime free for 3 years I shouldn’t get a job at Marvel?
Not if other people in similar situations and positions aren’t treated the same, no bias and no nitpicking then no problem
Also no one said he can’t be redeemed, but if RDJ has assaulted someone while filming Iron Man, he would be fired. Maybe in 10 or more years he could get another big acting job, but he committed a major crime while filming.
I know that, of course he can be redeemed, I already indirectly argued for it, but I’m saying that if there was a crime, you’d at least expect the entire trial to run its course before making a decision…especially when the person in question is literally correlated to your 15+ years of story plot on marvel canon and was also set up in multiple movies/ shows/ tie ins for a future project
Instead it was a hasty decision that messed up the writing and now…RDJ as Doom? And people wonder why the movies aren’t as good anymore? Miss after miss and failure after failure? Not a coincidence
Oscar Isaac
That was sarcasm, Josh Brolin plays Cable and Thanos…but Oscar has multiple roles as 2 different characters?
Oscar not only plays each personality for Moon Knight, but also Apolcaypse (which they seem to be trying to retroactively make canon), and Spider-Man 2099, with which they seem to ALSO be trying to make canon.
I agree, however there was a literal video of the assault. There was no need for a full trail.
None of the recent titles have been particularly worse than before? We’ve had a few that were not good, but it’s always been like that.
Chris Evans
They do not want the animated spider films to be cannon 😂
Marvel hated those
I talked so much I got this 😂
They included a graphic of a branching timeline, a kind specifically only shown in the MCU.
I mean Marvel/Disney DOES seem to obsessively hate making money
Video? Thats exactly the evidence they are using to prove his innocence, if anyone watches the video you’d know that he was simply trying to put her into the car then she followed him and kept grabbing him so he pushed her and ran…you can clearly tell he was a violent person, in fact he tried avoiding at confrontation and was still sent to court
That was Sony’s choice. Marvel literately had no clue until the movie came out.
And we know why
👀
Womp
They just don’t like it, because the studio made a lot of mistakes and keeps trying to make itself cannon but they don’t know how what Marvels plan is so they make mistakes.
Marvel doesn't have a plan lmao
Either way he assaulted a person. The same person 2 times as it happens.
Their plan was "more TV for Disney+" and it fucking bombed, and for good reason
💀
Definitely 😂 Michael B Jordan and even Paul Bettany…played 2 different versions of the same character 💀
Agatha All Along has more active viewers than endgame 😂
*endgame when it premiered
But that’s exactly my point, if Marvel saw the video of what happened and still made the decision to ruin years worth of plot and fire a guy for doing…nothing but deescalate a situation that happened in the car?
Hold on let me find the thing I saw
Most crimes aren’t on video, and the crimes that are, you empirically see it’s not as bad as you’d think? Idk
Also that is comparing the first episode (which many people were unsure about) to the entire time endgame was in theaters
Bad decision making if you ask me
That's first-week Agatha viewership versus opening weekend Endgame.
It’s a very serious crime. He assaulted a person. He could have killed them. If they didn’t fire him then people would Boycott all of Disney until he was.
Oops, you’re right sorry.
Killed??? A bit of an exaggeration no? Picking a girl up and placing her on the seat (I assume he was also telling her to stay there while he clear his head via walking away) then she violently grabs onto him and doesn’t let go until you have 0 choice but to slightly shove her away = he could’ve killed her?
Do you see how big he is compared to her? If he “actually” shoved her? I doubt she would still be on her feet let alone 2 feet away from him…if he tried i wouldn’t be surprised if she ended up flown across the street
Okay so to correct myself, Endgame got more views in theaters, but Agatha brought in about 500 k new viewers (estimated by Variety). On the other hand Endgame did not bring in nearly as many (I don’t have the data, but I would be very surprised.). Plus it’s an easy cash grab for Disney to sell Disney +
That’s awful! I don’t think you understand the severity of that! That’s even worse than what I thought, and he could have easily killed her.
He definitely needed to be fired.
That’s definitely not a good thing. All reasons why he belongs in jail and to be fired.
Not sure if that’s sarcasm or not but I definitely chuckled 😂 how was her life threatened in any way?
Yeah? What was so bad about it? Curious, I think any human who’s clearly upset has a breaking point and yet I still see him restraining himself…knowing how capable he is
He shoved her head against the car.
Oh great. I’m so glad he decided not to kill her, and to instead pick her up and slam her head against the car. Not to mention the fight they got in earlier.
I didn’t see that, I’ll watch the video again, it’s been a while since I’ve seen it
....what? Lmao. There's literally no way to track how many "new" viewers a movie gets in theaters. It's not a subscription service.
Vanity used some type of data. Let me see if I can find the article.
Just watched it, her head didn’t touch anything, was it close? Sure, but the camera is more than 30 feet away and grainy so who knows, but we clearly see that he wasn’t looking at her head and seeing where it was going to purposely “slam” her head, same way you can hold a baby and still have an accident, hence why the intentional aggravation was dropped, boycott? Seriously? Wasn’t there a writers strike and nothing happened?
According to the articles above that I sent she suffered a severe concussion when he slammed her head against the door.
Regardless he needs to be fired anyway.
I don’t know how you can justify acting like that.
Why are we acting like he was a raging Hulk again? You saw the Devil Hulk and I saw the jolly green gentle giant 💀
I’m done arguing with you about it, you sound young, and it’s not an issue to me if you think he shouldn’t be fired.
Is that peer reviewed and from a doctor to confirm that?
You made it seem like he was a monster…when actual monsters exist in this world, and there’s a clear difference between him and a guy actually beating on a woman purposely trying his hardest to knock her out, not saying accidents aren’t made but to sit here and look at a guy showing massive restraint and still pretend like he’s a demon? even the courts acquitted him on purposeful intent…they saw it clear as day that any injuries wasn’t on purpose hence why they dropped it
All I’m saying is I’ve seen worse videos than that…Diddy, and the comparison is night and day
But sure, I’ll consider myself the winner lol later
The entire kang idea wasnt even giving
I think you forgot to finish your sentence lmao
I'm saying
bro was ass from the start
why do y'all want him back
"peer reviewed"
Yes, it’s called evidence and validity…
And is that your only contention? I must’ve done pretty good if your only complaint is “peer reviewed” 💀
I don't think you know what that means
What makes you say that? 💀
peer reviewed is used for scholarly work lmao
- That’s hilarious
- Were we not talking about doctors diagnoses?
I didn't read your shit bro I just saw peer reviewed and said that
brother a doctor's diagnosis is not scholarly work
You must’ve read it in order to read me saying that, I think you meant to say you “skimmed” through it…
no I literally read that one message and replied
It was a question, but I guess you just admitted to not reading it, so it’s a waste of time to ask you…send the definition of peer review
Exactly my point
You made the claim chief, burden of proof
If I’m so wrong in using the terminology, send the evidence of me being wrong 💀
not gonna google a term for you because you're scared of looking it up yourself
You’re in a server/ within a channel meant for discussions…
But sure, just say you don’t want to prove your claims, no problemo
we're in the marvel discord and you're trying to debate me
Me being scared has absolutely nothing to do with anything, I know the term, you just said I was wrong with no proof
Says the guy having a discussion…
You messaged me chief
“Author’s scholarly work, RESEARCH, or IDEAS”…
research...
So are doctors researchers?
on an abuse case...
Who do you think diagnoses people with concussions?
tell me what the last 3 words say
I asked you a question…multiple questions
Can you answer them?
most aren't
a doctor that diagnosed someone with a concussion isn't a researcher
a medical practioner is different from a doctor who does research for a living
not answering the second question cause it's stupid
Ok, it was a yes or no question but I suppose that works, ok so if doctors do research…do doctors not peer review each other?
how do you peer review a concussion??
That wasn’t my argument, my argument on peer review was based on the actual article itself suggesting that she somehow had a concussion…and you actually read what I was arguing you’d know this
Can articles not be peer reviewed?
who diagnosed her with a concussion
Are you being serious? I legitimately can’t tell if you’re trolling or not 😂
Was that my argument?
it's mine
So why am i obligated to answer your questions when it has 0 relevance to mine?
You call it dodging, I call it irrelevant and I’m not exactly obligated to answer questions that aren’t correlated to my argument
You’re using a red herring and asking loaded questions
then I'm not obligated to answer yours
Never said you were
define red herring
“Look it up”
What rules? I’m the one that’s educating you, all you’re doing is being fallacious and I doubt you even know what that is 💀
I simply know who and what I’m talking to
Why does it need to be productive? Not all discussions have to be
now you're afraid of vc lmao
Talk about what? Peer reviews??? And arguing semantics? 💀
you're def just afraid you won't be able to get away with dodging my questions in vc
Look up what being afraid means, I’m questioning the relevance…we’re already talking why should we vc?
By your logic, your running away from texts 😂
running away from texts and leading where?
We can both play the baiting games chief
Running from text to vc
exactly
I’d just argue the same thing I’m doing in text
then do it
?
I’m saying…why? What’s the relevance? What’s wrong with texts?
Track
it's a hindrance because you refuse to engage in a way which holds you accountable to your own standards
My own standards? You were the one that made claims and wasn’t trying to prove anything, I had to educate you, and how would vc change anything? Can you prove I’m obligated to answer questions in vc more than texts? How?
You’re the same one that complained about it not being productive yet now you want to vc?
Contradictory
because you won't just gloss over my texts and will actually have to answer lmao
“Have to answer” I just asked how?
not a contradiction because I specifically said it's not productive via text
What makes me more obligated in vc than in text?
how about you find out lol
Are you implying you’ll just yell into the mic and s-perg until I answer? 💀
no
You never explained why vc would be more productive hence it’s still a contradiction until you change it
you don't have many conversations irl do you?
I’m still going to ask why…
I do, but as you know I’m also a debater…
how old are you anyways
No one is forcing you to continue texting me and then begging me to vc 💀
Old enough, why?
not old enough to know what peer review means clearly
Chief, all you did was show 1 definition from 1 website, as if Oxford/ Webster/ Dictionary.com doesn’t exist 💀 if I had pic perms I’d show you that there are multiple different meanings and ways to define “peer review” you didn’t do much but yap
And you’re struggling to answer basic questions
So how old are you?
well you could've just said you didn't have pic perms from the start instead of being antagonistic
that would've made things a lot easier
Because I actually wanted to understand your argument until you began to get condescending 💀 and once I realized what I’m dealing with you know the rest…
But regardless you still haven’t explained anything
yeah you forgot what peer reviewed means
Never forgot, you’re using a false dilemma
the real dilemma is if you know what peer reviewed means
As soon as you argued that peer review is only referring to scholarly based studies then I understood your level of intelligence…
Still haven’t told me how I was wrong
can you answer this
I can, but I won’t until you explain why I’m obligated to
I can, but I won’t until you explain why I’m obligated to
Oh, 3rd grade called asking for you to get back to class…
W maturity 💀
bro said W maturity with a skull emoji and is talking about 3rd grade
Bro is new to the internet and social media
Who complains about emojis and sarcasm?
Be lucky I can’t use gifs
bro lacks reading comprehension
bro just proved my point
bro just did it again
L jokes…not funny
what's funny is you don't know what peer reviewed means
Asking me how old iam when he’s still in daycare
epic own dude!!
I don’t know what it is but you can’t tell me how
I can, but I won’t until you explain why I’m obligated to
I know, W
Did you save my messages? Or did you really scroll all the way back up just to copy and paste it to reuse it again? Yikes
Either way…sheesh
what computer do you use
What happened, you can dish out jokes but can’t take them?
I don't have a mac
You started it chief
no I didn't start using a mac
I said your mom does
she doesn't either
You started the jokes
what jokes
Did she steal the computer then? Because she gave me this one I’m using
the joke is that you don't know what peer reviewed means
I thought you mentioned something about comprehension…
Ironic
I know, trust me, she soooo nice, but she didn’t donate the mac she said I can borrow it
I haven’t visit her again to give her back the computer
Soon
can I have it
Ask her
she said yes
I’ll be there on the weekend, you can get it after I finish having a lovely time with your mom… she’s always hospitable 💪
W spam and repetitiveness
thanks
You’re very welcome
kang is probably the easiest character to recast in marvel history and they just didnt
Fr
Kang is a great villain and could be even more dangerous than Thanos and make some great adventures if done right.
yeah just recast him
no
We don't know that yet. He may still appear
hopefully
still really stupid that they just cancelled every kang plan that they had instead of just recasting him
Well that's what those whiny fanboys get for being impatient
I was looking forward to all the variants
why?
he's ass
Kang obv needs to get recast
He is a very important character
They cant just scrap him
they can
they do that with most their villains
though the soft reboot is a perfect opportunity to recast him
ye
If they redo Kang post SW do we think they're gonna scrap all the extra teams or stick with some? I can't imagine they'd wipe it all away fully
yk what would be good, kang should be in doomsday where he confronts doom and fights but infront of the avengers he gets obliterated the second the duel starts
would be a good end, showing the next big bad
like you can't just remove him
Maybe
Extra teams?
I think they'll still keep them
I think the recast should be just for a quick scene, like the Council of Kangs get obliterated by Doom. Otherwise I didn’t think he was that interesting a character
He has already been fired by Marvel as they should.
I liked Kang as a character.
Me too
I felt they did him better than Ultron
Same.
Although What If? did a good job with Ultron
Ultron was amazing
One of the best villains of all time