Which of these characters would you want to have their own series?

[proven mesa]

none

i dont like any of them

[bold dew]

Same

[proven mesa]

i only like 3 marvel franchises

[solid prism]

This or yelena show could be cool

[bold dew]

Ok

[solid prism]

Don't think there should be an mcu show for an oc

[stoic flint]

Either of them 😭😭

[robust brook]

show is fire

[distant saffron]

Would adore a Kate Bishop/Yelena Belova crossover show cuz my god their chemistry together in Hawkeye was amazing

[gray mural]

Because I’d love to see more of her.

[hazy lance]

I’d prefer all 3 but if I had to choose one Valkyrie

[candid moon]

Yelena is the one I'm more invested in.

[proper hill]

King Valkyrie? HARD pass

easily Yelena

[terse mesa]

Hear me out. A Mission Impossible like TV show for Yelena. 🗣️

[barren zinc]

Yelena or Valkyrie

[visual wolf]

Exactly

[visual wolf]

[onyx sentinel]

Valkyrie, because she's fun and Yelena's annoying so far. More generic flips and kicks aren't interesting

Idk if I could take a whole show of that fake accent and repetitive spy clichés

[foggy ocean]

yelena is already in thunderbotls thats my thing

altho i most certanly do not want a king valkrie show

[onyx sentinel]

That's what's disappointing

[unreal crown]

Compared to the other two, Yelena in my opinion has the most potential. I feel she’ll have more connections to the multiverse overarching story

[onyx sentinel]

not sure how. she just does the same generic regretful powerless spy stuff Nat does

[opal kayak]

Yelena is already the lead in thunderbolts
So I choose valkyrie
Altho I don't like her character

[onyx sentinel]

why don't you like her?

[unreal crown]

Natasha seemed like a very notable person in the avengers, having the sister would probably give this “I remember her” feeling? But like to be completely honest, I’m not a fan of any of them.

[onyx sentinel]

nat wasn't very intersting though.

her relationships with the other avengers often felt underwritten

idk i just got tired of the powerless spy schtick a while ago

[grizzled coral]

The Valkyries looked interesting might get some cool background on them before getting murked

[unreal crown]

I mean I don’t blame you. I guess that’s why they had to make the back story movie this “trained mindless assassin” sorta deal

[onyx sentinel]

exactly

[onyx sentinel]

which they already did with Bucky

then they do it again with Nat's z-list sister

[grizzled coral]

Though I am a bit biased and haven’t watched black widow so maybe that character would be cool as well!

[unreal crown]

More like “now I know my ABC-lister”

[onyx sentinel]

i still think she's like d-list at best in the comics. maybe if she had more going for her than 'quippier Nat'

[onyx sentinel]

i watched it. I didn't think it was a good movie.

[grizzled coral]

Oh so she is just a quippy black widow?

I mean we don’t have any black widow stuff now so it would fill a void for people who enjoy that character at least

[onyx sentinel]

that's my interpretation. yours might be different

but imo we don't need more black widow stuff. she always felt very generic

[unreal crown]

She was fine. I know people absolutely love the black widow character & “filling the void” with her sister helps w/ that.

[onyx sentinel]

i don't want to see what i could get with Bond or Bourne, but less

honestly i just want a spy with actual powers

[ornate briar]

Valkyrie rocks

Yelena's also great but id also like to see more of sakaar if anything

[onyx sentinel]

i'd also like to see the grandmaster again

[grizzled coral]

Well didn’t he get jumped at the end of ragnarok

[ornate briar]

yeah

but sakaar's still a thing

[onyx sentinel]

we didn't see his final fate though. He is an elder of the universe, after all

[ornate briar]

and marvel's one shots depicted him on earth

tho not sure if canon

[unreal crown]

Why would you want to see Valkire again? Or at least her own series

[onyx sentinel]

i like valkyrie as a character

[grizzled coral]

I still wish they did more with hulk there

World War Hulk was awesome was hoping to get something like that

[onyx sentinel]

hulk sadly still has the whole rights issue with Universal

[unreal crown]

That’s funny, for me she never really stood out as all that interesting. Only thing I could think of was her drinking a huge jug when Thor was asking her something.

[onyx sentinel]

she's not the strongest character but I sympathized with her backstory

i think it's also the back and forth she had with Thor in Ragnarok

[unreal crown]

I don’t recall that. TBH it’s been awhile since I saw that movie

[onyx sentinel]

i haven't seen it in a while either but I remember her having good interactions with other characters

it's also I'd just rather see more of Asgardian stuff than Black Widow stuff, which I'm fine never seeing any more of again

[unreal crown]

I guess? Fun characters have had good stuff (Deadpool) but Valkyrie was never really a stand out character

[onyx sentinel]

i guess for me she stood out better than belova, who stands out for the wrong reasons

[ember parrot]

YELENA MY WIFE

[onyx sentinel]

mkay

[unreal crown]

I mean, at least the two have their fans. Faouly on the other hand, not so much 😅

[naive night]

Before I say why I chose to want to see Valkyrie I do have to say that I haven't watched anything past Falcon & The Winter Soldier & No Way Home. I want to see what the big deal was with Valkyrie having her whole clan killed, How she got to the Grandmaster & How she befriended Hulk.

[onyx sentinel]

i liked her too

[ornate briar]

ya but hulk got absolutely got ruined in she-hulk

[onyx sentinel]

more than Bleova who's probably my least favorite phase 4 hero

[onyx sentinel]

no he didnt

[grizzled coral]

I never liked Hulk when he became that Bruce banner hulk hybrid

[ember parrot]

I would love a valkyrie series but yelena is the best

[unreal crown]

Mmm…then more notoriety perhaps?

[onyx sentinel]

can't say I agree there. I think YElena & Kate are the worst

[onyx sentinel]

wdym?

[ember parrot]

Why

[onyx sentinel]

annoying younger versions of 2 annoying/boring Avengers I never liked

Kate just acts like a blind fangirl and Idk what the point of Yelena even is

[sand sundial]

King valkyrie needs her own series she has the vibes that people in series' have like basically Agents Of Shield

[onyx sentinel]

i stopped watching after s2 tbh

[unreal crown]

I was replying to the comment about fans. I said that Yelena is a little more known than Scarlet S.

[ember parrot]

Well it's part of Kates character and yelena is to continue the black widow line

[onyx sentinel]

only because of the MCU I think

[onyx sentinel]

that's all Kate's character was. She sucked up to the worst Avenger and never grew.

If they'd developed Nat better, maybe I'd be more interested in Yelena.

[ember parrot]

Plus the red room lore is so intresting and yelena made the black widow movie better

[onyx sentinel]

that's the biggest issue I have: the red room just felt like another hydra rip off

we already saw that in Captain America 2

yelena just felt shoehorned into Nat's past

[ember parrot]

The red room and hydra are not the same thing

The only thing they have in common is the goal of "conquering the world"

[unreal crown]

Isn’t that the point? Ms. Marvel was a super duper fangirl of Carol Danvers, they strive to be good like their heroes?

[ember parrot]

Exactly

[onyx sentinel]

Clint ain't good. he's just ageneric vigilante. Kamala admitted she fangirld too much. If these characters don't grow, what's the point

[onyx sentinel]

brainwashed powerless spies

[ornate briar]

he got demolished by another hulk trained for not even a month
They just skipped 10 years of the research for the funsies and that sucks

[onyx sentinel]

he didn't really get demolished though

[ornate briar]

well yeah that's technically true

but the point still stands

[onyx sentinel]

does it?

[ember parrot]

Yes it does

[onyx sentinel]

she hulk is pretty strong too

bruce was trying to control himself

[ornate briar]

well then lets just make another hulk that's stronger than both of them combined

[onyx sentinel]

that might be red hulk

we'll see

[unreal crown]

I wouldn’t say generic. His whole deal is that he’s a family man, he turn to vigilantism because of Thanos & his power glove.

[static sandal]

Layla. I'm curious what actually happened on that day with her father?

[ornate briar]

tbh he's the chillest one of the original 6

and also he was a shield agent pre-family

[unreal crown]

I liked him. Good chemistry with the team, Natasha as well. I get they don’t have superpowers but I mean…Batman is in the justice league…do we kick him out?

[ornate briar]

yeah i meant that in a good way

[onyx sentinel]

that was what I ahted. I don't like killer vigilantes types. His family came out of nowhere.

[onyx sentinel]

chillest? He had like no personality

[unreal crown]

Ofc

[onyx sentinel]

i honestly hate Clint the most of any MCU hero

and 2 heroes died for this bland-o

[ember parrot]

Well he had character development and the Hawkeye series explain more the whole rovina situation

*ronin

[unreal crown]

To my knowledge I believe that was the main reason he becomes Hawkeye.

[sand sundial]

I watched every season lol but the Ant-Man movies still are the best

[onyx sentinel]

i didn't explain anything. he just killed Japanese cfriminals (while wearing a Japanese costume) because his instafamily died. It was generic to me.

[onyx sentinel]

AoS connected to the Ant-Man movies?

[sand sundial]

AoS?

[onyx sentinel]

agesnts of shield

[unreal crown]

Assassin of Salads

[sand sundial]

Nah I am just saying that the Ant-Man movies are the best

[ember parrot]

Lmao

[onyx sentinel]

ah ok. I liked the 3rd one more

[sand sundial]

Nah its Assassins Of Shield

[unreal crown]

Ofc

[sand sundial]

lol

We're the Assassins Of Shield

[onyx sentinel]

🤣

[scenic solar]

Guys

Hear me out about more Egyptian mythology content

[onyx sentinel]

i'm down for that

[worn ridge]

I want Hawkeye season 2

I like Kate Bishop

[onyx sentinel]

i'll pass

if i never see another archer in the mcu, i'll be more than fine

the only way I'd like a s2 of hawkeye is if Clint dies

[worn ridge]

Bro's a certified hater

[onyx sentinel]

I just don't like generic killer White guy vigilantes

[delicate bluff]

???

[onyx sentinel]

Guys like MCU clint

[humble sandal]

A series after blackwindow and then how she found out her sister died and think clint killed her

[winged osprey]

window?????

don't you mean......*widow???????

[ember meadow]

Valkyries* at that point. I think a story that would delve deeper into unexplored topics such as the Valkyries/Asgardian traditions would be better than a whole Yelena Series. Perhaps some side characters could even be introduced (Freya, Amora ?)

[winged osprey]

a window is just glass...

[proper hill]

Understandable

[winged osprey]

people are not made of glass

[proper hill]

I just can't watch an entire show of Valkyrie doing what Thor should've been

[winged osprey]

hahahahahaha

[onyx sentinel]

I'd take that over yelena replacing Nat. Plus valkyrie doesn't have to do what Thor did

[winged osprey]

people have bones & skin & veins

[proper hill]

No, she's King of Asgard. That's what I mean. That responsibility should've gone to Thor.

[ember meadow]

I get that, but perhaps something before Ragnarok, before Hela's first attack and all that

[onyx sentinel]

I liked Thor not being king

[proper hill]

Yeah I know many people didnt have an issue with it

[onyx sentinel]

I'm tired of the monarchia stuff

[proper hill]

I'd prefer if he was king

and I'd prefer if Asgard wasn't destroyed too but whatever

[proper hill]

Valkyrie shouldn't be ruler of Asgard at any point imo

if anything, one can make that argument for Sif

but mcu didnt really do sif any favors and most of your points would have to be from the comics

so unless you're familiar with those you'd find it hard to convince a lot of people it should've been Sif instead of Valk

[ember meadow]

I meant the series sorry, I wanted to say they could make it about before all that happened and that we already know mcu-wise, for example setting it right in the beginning of Odin's reign for us to get more insight about his era as a conqueror. I would agree on the fact that Valkyrie shouldn't rule Asgard at all, ever.

[proper hill]

Oh you mean a show about her past

yeah I'd take that over a show of her being king

we didn't get Asgard enough in the MCU

[ember meadow]

Exactly

[ember meadow]

Agreed

[worn ridge]

What if Clint were black?

[heady isle]

She is the most interesting one and she will be more interesting after thunderbolts aswell

[onyx sentinel]

That doesn't have the same effect. Society excuses White vigilantism

[onyx sentinel]

I'd say Ghost, Bucky & John are more interesting in T-Bolts

Ghost has actual spy powers, for one

[heady isle]

Definitely John and bucky but eh Ghost idk i think she could be cool but we haven’t seen enough of her

[heady isle]

True

[onyx sentinel]

I still found her more interesting than Yelena because Yelena felt too much like Nat/Bucky redux

[onyx sentinel]

It's another reason I'm tired of the black widows

[heady isle]

Fair

[onyx sentinel]

Ofc I'd look past it if I liked their personalities.

I liked heroes without powers too

But for spying, I wish they had a spy with invisibility, for example

[heady isle]

Hmm Yeah that would be better then nothing

[onyx sentinel]

Exactly!

Even worse for me is seeing an archer

[heady isle]

Just a piece of tech that turned them invisible would be better then nothing (For example like how black widow can in the lego games lol)

[heady isle]

Lol

[onyx sentinel]

Sorry but I just find the archer hero concept dumb

But again, if they have a good personality, I can accept it

The mcu ones don't yet

[orchid basalt]

I don’t like Valkyrie anymore

Layla’s kinda boring. So I guess Yelena

[onyx sentinel]

Pourquoi?

[flint scaffold]

back wido

[orchid basalt]

She just feels unrecognizable from who she was in Ragnarok

[orchid basalt]

Yelena’s at least fun. I like her

Give her a buddy cop with Kate

[proven mesa]

i only watch venom deadpool and gotg so i dont even know who they are

[orchid basalt]

That’s fair

[onyx sentinel]

Ugh that would be insufferable

[onyx sentinel]

Hmm, I don't think she really had enough focus since then for me to concur

[stuck saddle]

how about Wong tho?

[grizzled coral]

Can’t go wrong with Wong

[hollow beacon]

dude i love florence pugh so much she deserves literally everything ever

[ionic sedge]

MY QUEEN YELENA

[worn ridge]

Lmao neither Endgame nor society painted Hawkeye's Ronin arc as a good thing

I understand what you mean though, I HATED Rogue after that one episode of X-Men '97 where she just started terrorizing the military out of anger when Gambit died, even though she was one of my favorites before the episode

And it made me angry that people were excusing that

That does not apply to Hawkeye at all though lol

They made it clear that he was not being heroic, and no one defended it

As for how it changes based on race, I don't exactly agree with your claim on that either. Otherwise Falcon would've gotten a lot of hate, and John Walker would not have. Falcon killed many people in the show and everyone looked past it. John killed one person, albeit in a very public and brutal way, and got so much hate for it. He didn't do anything else wrong in the entire rest of the show.

This is a good video on that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRB2HR6Rva0&t=384s

[runic dock]

Exploring some Egyptian mythology from the POV of a nerd would be cool.

[onyx sentinel]

Saying Clint was bad means little when he suffers almost no consequences. A big problem I have with this whole genre. But people do excuse Clint's actions, in the show (Kate) and in real life.

As for John, he wasn't nearly as bad as Clint

not good, mind you, but not nearly as bad

[desert dust]

Couldnt agree more

[onyx sentinel]

I'm glad you agree.

[ashen fable]

Why not

[worn ridge]

Kate excusing it is just realistic because Clint is her hero, and in real life people often refuse to admit that their heroes can do bad things. But Clint continued to literally call himself out on his own behavior

[onyx sentinel]

Calling yourself out isn't enough for guys in the business of punishing others. And if kate wants to actually grow as a character, she can't just be stuck in idol mode.

[gray mural]

I would like valkeryies movie

[lucid drift]

Well Yelena, is already going to be in a movie, and I have no clue what the plot of a Scarlet Scarab show could even be (probably because I'm unfamiliar with the character) so King Valkyrie it is

[rough ruin]

i'd be really keen to see more low-stakes Asgardian adventures and imo a Valkyrie x Sif teamup would be a great way about it

[glass warren]

i chose valkyrie because shes been through a lot and i feel she should have a series talking about her past and her origin

[blazing night]

cause she is the best in black widow

[ashen fable]

True

[ornate briar]

Ya but id imagine killing someone in a brutal, public manner while not only the victim begs for mercy but you're also influenced by rage and adrenaline is a lot more to take in than anything falcon has ever done so far