Where should we see the Scarlet Witch next?

[vestal zinc]

if Wanda is truly dead in 616 then we can def see a variant of her in the upcoming movies

[burnt bramble]

Fr

[vestal zinc]

idk if scarlet witch should get a solo movie and I don’t think there’s gonna be WV s2 so yeah

[quick jolt]

as much I love the character I just know damn well they will mess up a solo movie for her. I just have no faith they can do it

[keen walrus]

Maximid.

[blissful vine]

Person I think MoM was a bad sendoff to the character and I think she deserves her own movie

[quick jolt]

she does but I just know she will get the black widow movie treatment

[opal pagoda]

i think it was a bad sendoff but dont bring her back

[vestal zinc]

I strongly believe MoM is not the last time we are going to see a Wanda

[blissful vine]

Tbh if they're bringing her back she'll probably appear as a cameo in Agatha. If they're not then I don't think they're going to

[quick jolt]

would have been better if it was done before she died ngl

[quick jolt]

in avengers a variant will be there 100% i bet money on it

[vestal zinc]

certainly possible

[feral flare]

Honestly anywhere is good enough for me

[winged lance]

If she shows up as a variant, I hope she's played by a new actress

Other than that, I don't trust the MCU to do her character justice

[quick jolt]

+1 They fucked up black widow

[hidden palm]

I’d be fine with anywhere. We know she’s coming back for a variety of reasons

[quick jolt]

and mostly every female character

[winged lance]

Yeah

They messed up everyone tbh

Wanda, Natasha, America, Kate

[bold inlet]

She'll probably get revived in Agatha or avengers

[winged lance]

Ithaca? Odyssey reference?

[quick jolt]

the last movie that was S tier (before deadpool) would be maybe spider-man

[bold inlet]

Epic the musical reference

[gloomy bluff]

But why? Elizabeth looks pretty good as Wanda

[quick jolt]

true but would be great to see another variant

[winged lance]

Which is based on the Odyssey

[gaunt apex]

I honestly refuse to believe Wanda is dead. she did not get killed by a bunch of falling rocks

[bold inlet]

Indeed

[blissful vine]

I don't think the MCU is really declining, it's just expanding to have more/different people developing projects which brings more variety in quality

[bold inlet]

I think 2021 was the worst year for marvel not because they were trying to expand, but because they tried to do too much

[blissful vine]

But I still believe the writers of MoM didn't watch WandaVision bc it kinda completely ignored the entire plot

[robust widget]

I don't trust people who pick D

[blissful vine]

She learned that what she was doing was wrong for her to decide to do something even worse (kidnapping children)?

[winged lance]

It's not really about looks imo, I just don't think she should be playing a Romani character given her.... colorful history with saying slurs aimed at Romani people

[winged lance]

the single writer who worked on MoM was given one week to write the script

[blissful vine]

Yeah that too. Ik it went through many rewrites and 2 directors

Kinda why I'm afraid for Blade bc it's going through even worse development lol

[empty steeple]

Wrong vote :/

[winged lance]

One could say I'm a fan of EPIC

[bold inlet]

MY BROTHER

IF I HAD IMBED PERMS I WOULD DO THE PREDATOR HANDSHAKE

[lean saddle]

While I agree that it should have referenced the show better or even started the movie showing the end of the show or something, I disagree that it "ignored the show" because we directly saw that she finished WandaVision feeling bad about what happened, but was NOT apologetic or willing to give up on her scenario.

WandaVision was about her dealing with losing Vision. But during the latter part of the show, she also became more fixated with the concept of her having children, something that was not resolved at the end of the show, given her abrupt departure and the credit scene showing her trying to contact or find her children.

Point is: I can understand the disappointment with the choice in writing, but it's not impossible that the character development went that way.

[slim kite]

I say its funny and she should stay dead😈

Why is “nowhere” so unpopular?
Its not like her character was going anywhere after what they did to her in wv and MoM

[blissful vine]

Unfortunately it's looking like the plot of Agatha starts with her death but we'll see

[slim kite]

Shes probably coming back in the agatha show

[blissful vine]

Yeah I agree. It just felt too similar

[slim kite]

Unfortunately

[surreal lion]

I hope we dont see her for a WHILE

[slim kite]

We’ll see her in like 1-2 years probably

[surreal lion]

😭

[slim kite]

Thats being generous btw

[surreal lion]

I hope like 616 wanda is dead so if we see any wanda its a other wanda

[slim kite]

Im betting shes back by the end of the agatha show

[zenith veldt]

i dont know what i voted on

[surreal lion]

Its actually kinda stupid tho bc they dont need wanda to make marvel great like-

[blissful vine]

Well i mean you can kinda say that about any character

[surreal lion]

Well thats what wanda stans say

[blissful vine]

It's based on personal preference until they do a larger event, which even still just depends on what characters have already been established (bc it's not the same as the comics)

[surreal lion]

As long as she comes back as not a villain im fine with it

[blissful vine]

Currently idk what the point of a lot of Marvel projects are other than just being there (this includes pre-Endgame). Not necessarily a bad thing bc that's how the comics are

[blissful vine]

Yeah they were just attempting a House of M story without.... a lot of things lol

[surreal lion]

Like there was no lead up to her being a villain it just kinda happend😭

[blissful vine]

The lead up was her being upset over Vision's death. Which I think was done good in WandaVision. But it felt weird going from where WandaVision ended to full blown villain

[rapid zodiac]

They absolutely assassinated her character. But I voted for C “Supporting Member” because while I never want to see this version of Wanda that they ruined again, I’d be interested in bringing her back as variants like 838 or Wanda Merlin

[slim kite]

Wanda merlin?

[rapid zodiac]

It’s from What If..? S2

[slim kite]

Oh

[rapid zodiac]

Why? Elizabeth Olsen’s awesome

Probably one of (if not) the best actress in the MCU right now

[winged lance]

@rapid zodiac

[rapid zodiac]

Oh.. race stuff

I can understand that

[rapid zodiac]

The only way she dies from that is if she let herself die from that as part of her ‘redemption’

Which I honestly hope is the case because MoM annihilated her character. Give us variants now

Wanda used to be one of my favorites but now they’ve ruined her

[rapid zodiac]

Believe? I’m not really sure that it counts as a belief anymore, if Sam Raimi and Elizabeth Olsen already said that in interviews. At that point it’s just a straight up fact lmao

[rapid zodiac]

My vote goes to 2023 being the worst

[blissful vine]

Imma have to say 2009

[rapid zodiac]

What was 2009 again?

All I remember is Incredible Hulk

And that was…. not as awful

[dapper storm]

Yeah i dont think we’re seeing her again 😭

I wish we would it just feels very unlikely

[blissful vine]

Nothing lol. That was the point.
Incredible Hulk was 2008

[rapid zodiac]

Oh…

I feel like nothings better than 2023

[granite frost]

because that would be awsome

shes a nexus being something needs to happen with her

[blissful vine]

Gotta disagree with you there. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.3 and Loki Season 2

[bold inlet]

Gotg3 and Loki s2 were peak

[hexed gorge]

😉

[wheat bay]

Because she had a noble sacrifice as her death and they shouldn’t ruin that by bringing her back

[slim kite]

Its marvel they will ruin it

[rapid zodiac]

I like them but kinda overrated tbh

But on the other-side of 2023 they’ve given us, Quantumania, Secret Invasion, The Marvels, What If..? S2

[wheat bay]

Ya true

Also I just don’t like scarlet witch very much

I thought she was dumb as hell

[wheat bay]

And her sacrificing herself was the only thing that redeemed her in my opinion

[novel otter]

Idk

[delicate zodiac]

wanda has done a lot in films and its time for others to be in the spotlight

[visual fjord]

I WANT A FUCKIN' SCARLET WITCH MOVIE

[visual fjord]

Why

[gentle mulch]

she will return in vision quest

[stiff nymph]

She just needs one

It's obvious she's gonna comeback

[rapid zodiac]

Please be a variant

[molten jetty]

I hope she never comes back

Because it would piss off all the wanda stans

[dawn dagger]

wanda shouldnt come back

if she does it should only be in a flashback

[spiral hatch]

this hurt me on a personal level sorry

[sinful forge]

she died 💀

[cold gazelle]

marvel got bad writers

[sinful forge]

^^^

they put very little effort in and it shows

[wheat bay]

She throws a fit bc her fake kids died, and now tries to kidnap someone else’s kids.

[dawn dagger]

i think from deadpool and wolvering onwards they will put more effort

[sinful forge]

tortured that whole town and left afterwards

[wheat bay]

Ya

[sinful forge]

sure but they're on the boycott list now

it's the only MCU movie this year too since cap 4 was pushed back

[dawn dagger]

i think thats a good sign

cuz that means they arent rushing brave new world

especially because sam being the new cap he has to have a good debut cap movie

[sinful forge]

i heard they've been doing reshoots, that movie is the reason for the specific boycotts XD

[wheat bay]

The trailer for brave new world was actually really good

[dawn dagger]

yeah

red hulk isnt that bad imo

[sinful forge]

haven't seen it, but i've seen jokes about it

and red hulk

i think she-hulk threw everyone off fr

[wheat bay]

Me as someone who is obsessed with aviation I’m gonna go see this movie with high expectations

Like Sam literally kamikazid into an f18 and then broke the sound barrier

[dawn dagger]

fr dawg

and i cant wait for the leader to finally appear

after so much foreshadowing

i mean

not so much but like

so long ago they foreshadowed it

[wheat bay]

Gus finna be lit

[dawn dagger]

cap 4 is just continuation of incredible hulk

if u look at the villains ofc

[molten jetty]

Keep shitting on wanda I was enjoying reading that

[dawn dagger]

💀

[molten jetty]

-# Burn The Witch! 🔥
-# Burn The Witch! 🔥
-# Burn The Witch! 🔥

[wheat bay]

Bro got angy bc she made fake kids then killed them and tried to kid nap a different persons kids from a different universe

[molten jetty]

Man she has reality warping why can’t she just magic up some new kids

[dawn dagger]

her villain arc in MoM isnt that bad but it wasnt close to good

i hope we never see her again

[dawn dagger]

exactly what i was thinking while watching MoM

[molten jetty]

GET HIM!

[wheat bay]

EXACTLY

Like Bru use ur brain

[blissful vine]

Well she practically did in WandaVision and then realized it was wrong bc she was enslaving people and her children weren't actually real

[molten jetty]

Yea but she was already doing the same thing at that mansion, right

So she could have just made them there

Not hurting anyone

[blissful vine]

Idk. To me I thought it was odd that she was still trying to get "her kids" back after saying goodbye to them in WandaVision

But ig she didn't recreate them bc she realized that would still be fake, so she decided to go the kidnapping them from another universe route

[solar jackal]

Still so much to explore the scarlet witch in the MCU

[visual fjord]

Remember that end credit scene? Where she hears Billy and Tommy crying for help. And what kind of mom wouldn't worry Abt her children after that?

Ik it was the Darkhold

The book was messing with her soul

I mean Darkhold didn't even spare the surrounding environment of Wanda's hide out

What can we even expect from that book

[visual fjord]

FIRST of all Billy and Tommy aren't fake! They were real to her. And they're! I mean Billy is gonna play a huge role in Marvel studios Agatha All Along series.

AND WANDA WAS TOTALLY CONTROLLED BY THE DARKHOLD. And when she realized what she'd became and what she'd done, she fixed everything.

[wheat bay]

Just cus she thought they were real doesn’t mean they were real 💀

[visual fjord]

THEY'RE REAL

[wheat bay]

Nuh uh

The ones Wanda made or the ones she tried to kidnap

[visual fjord]

The ones Wanda created

And if they're fake then how's Billy there in Agatha All Along?

Wanda ofc used magic to create them but that doesn't mean that they're fake

[wheat bay]

Multiverse

[visual fjord]

Bro

[visual fjord]

It's prob Billy maximoff's soul in William Kaplan's body

[wheat bay]

How do u know that’s Billy from the show

[visual fjord]

R u fr?

LIKE GENUINELY WTF

[wheat bay]

Calm down buddy

No need to get riled up

[blissful vine]

Yeah ik that, but to me the plot was too similar. Felt like Wanda didn't learn anything from WandaVision

[visual fjord]

I'm sorry
But this often happens with me, maybe coz I'm so emotionally connected to Wanda.

[visual fjord]

Bro I alr said. It was the Darkhold

That shit book didn't even spare the surrounding environment of Wanda's hide out

Also

[blissful vine]

Yes I get that it was the Darkhold, but from a storyline perspective, it felt like they were teaching Wanda the same lesson twice

[visual fjord]

Wanda didn't know that Darkhold will corrupt her

[visual fjord]

Ya ik MoM was horribly written

[floral quiver]

my adhd brain liked it

just enough stimulation for me

[wheat bay]

It was a really good movie

[visual fjord]

The ONLY thing that bothers me is that everyone's only and only targeting Wanda. Nobody talks ABT Supreme Strange, Wenwu, Sinister Strange etc.

[wheat bay]

It’s cus she’s the main antagonist

[visual fjord]

I liked it cause Wanda was there but the fact is that it wasn't not a really "good" movie

[blissful vine]

Well for this poll, it's about Wanda lol

[wheat bay]

It was pretty good tho

[visual fjord]

Nah I was talking abt general

[wheat bay]

Charles Xavier was my favorite part abt the movie

[blissful vine]

I didn't dislike MoM, just the plot felt weird at times

[visual fjord]

Same

[visual fjord]

Same

[wheat bay]

When he popped up in the movie it played the original x-men ‘93 theme and holy shit I nearly died

[wheat bay]

That show is a 9/10

[visual fjord]

For me it was "U know the hex was the easy part. Lying not so much" scene

[blissful vine]

Mostly bc I didn't feel the there was much contrast between MoM and WandaVision. I wanted to see Scarlet Witch be the villain and them lean into House of M a lot more than they did

[wheat bay]

Yall think in the mcu they will make it where Wanda’s dad somehow didn’t die and left and became magneto or no?

Idk if it would be a good idea or not

[visual fjord]

Frr
They could make an entire separate movie or series showing how Wanda became this powerful and all. But instead of that they gave us MoM 😔

Characters like Wanda, Loki, Supreme Strange etc are the only ones from whom we expect something good in the battle with Dr. Doom. But they ruined up everything. 😔

[blissful vine]

Well Loki can make an appearance I think if the Multiverse is ending

Are we getting a Doctor Strange 3 before Doomsday & Secret Wars to introduce Clea?

Then I am 70% positive Wanda will return at the end of Agatha

But I still think she deserves her own movie.... what the plot will be idk

Despite being capable of doing do, they didn't really make her an Avengers level threat

Which everything post House of M was her trying to redeem herself I think

I could be wrong but I don't think she actually forgives herself until her 2016 comic series (i have very limited comic knowledge tho lol)

I would love to see a scene like this, but I think it's too late saying they've done the villain thing twice now

[visual fjord]

Exactly

[visual fjord]

I dun even have comic knowledge 😭

[blissful vine]

Ok so apparently what they've done so far isn't actually based on House of M and an earlier comic that had Wanda go crazy bc of the Darkhold

A lot of stuff between her and Vision (Vision is currently in the Visionquest story with the soulless body)

Then House of M happens (which would probably be best to do after the Avenger movies to not interfere with those if they plan on doing that or even plan on anything else for Wanda lol)

Which completely destroys her reputation ever since. She isolates herself and goes back to being mentored by Agatha (which is also a thing in the comics so probably going to see the MCU's version of this (pre-House of M). If not then idk why Agatha is a character lol) which she eventually forgives herself

But still not forgiven by others. I do not know where spoilers for comics lies but I'll just say a big thing with her still not being forgiven happens with the Trial of Magneto comics

And that's all I've found so far

And after looking up this stuff, it's probably safe to say Wanda will be back. If she isn't then idk what the point of White Vision & Agatha is

I think imma change my vote lol

I would love a Scarlet Witch solo film, but I don't think that is what is best for her to appear as next

Obviously this is all based on opinions, but I think it will be best for her to remain as a supporting character where we see her rebuild her relationship with Vision in his show, i have no idea what I think is best for the Agatha mentoring thing unless it's in Agatha's show but I doubt it

Then perhaps have a solo film with her & Vision's wedding

Which may not sound like a big deal but weddings always are in comics for some reason

Then somehow develop a story to do Avengers: Disassembled & House of M as a big event after the X-Men are established

And possibly end her story there

This is obviously not considering that it will take forever to do this lol & Elizabeth Olsen wanting to play the character for that long

[plain sluice]

The thing is I think she needs to either have another appearance before a movie

It might kinda take out that she's miraculously alive

[sinful forge]

they're literally not real in her timeline

[rapid zodiac]

Those versions are fake

Her delusions don’t make them real

[rapid zodiac]

We don’t know yet the mechanics or circumstances for his return

But in the comics, he’s not Wanda’s

Wanda’s ‘children’ are dead. Wiccan and Speed are Billy Kaplan and Tommy Shepherd

[rapid zodiac]

Don’t worry, I’m so emotionally connected to Wanda’s character too

It’s why MoM hurts a lot

They annihilated her character

[fluid goblet]

unrelated but a house of M adaptation down the line would be awesome, obviously once mutants are in the mcu n stuff

[winged lance]

Ew no

House of M absolutely ruined Wandas characterization and made people think she was just a villain for years

[plain sluice]

We gotta have an appearance before she gets a movie

Even a slight one

Bc it would kinda ruin the fact that she's alive

I mean WE all know like

99% of people think she's alive

But still

[supple pumice]

Idk that statue/mural of her appearing in Deadpool & Wolverine

Got me wondering why it’s there

[visual fjord]

Oh

[visual fjord]

Ye

[visual fjord]

Have u watched dp3?

[blissful vine]

I have, although I didn't see the statue thing that person is talking about

[visual fjord]

Exactly

[visual fjord]

OMG YASSS

[visual fjord]

Absorbing true Darkhold and chthon?

[visual fjord]

They're

[visual fjord]

We'll see

[visual fjord]

I agree

[visual fjord]

SAME
It MEANS

THE SCARLET WITCH WILL RETURN

[blissful vine]

Idk tbh. I feel like it should be more of a happier ending, but after looking up her comic history, I have no clue what they're planning for the character if there are any plans.
I kinda outlined how I think they should best match the comics, but it's a pretty long storyline that spans years. She's always been a supporting role until here recently

[visual fjord]

I have found major 5 pieces of evidence that can prove that twins were real

[visual fjord]

Yeah 😔

[blissful vine]

And as of right now, the mcu takes forever to rotate back to 1 of the character's storylines, so whatever they're planning on is limited on time as actors won't play these characters forever, and she's already been playing Wanda for almost 10 years now

[visual fjord]

Yeah

[ocean pivot]

H

[winged lance]

What are they?

[dire tundra]

Yeah what are they?

[tidal jacinth]

What are they?

[visual fjord]

@winged lance @dire tundra @tidal jacinth

Here ya go pookies:

(Created by me)

AND

[visual fjord]

This one isn't mine

Also I won't be able to discuss ABT it RN But I'll be back

[winged lance]

For the first one, Vision has independence of Wanda too - she probably created them with minds of their own that she couldn't control

The second one is easily explained as them being created by her, therefore they know about her and her powers

The third one, Vision can use his powers independently of Wanda - he was still fake and a creation of her

The fourth, like it says, "physically, anything seen in Westview is a real object or thing", though the Vision we see was a creation of Wandas based on a real person - she could have simply seen the two kids in a billboard somewhere and used their appearances to base her kids on subconsciously

The last one you posted doesn't have any verifiable proof, it bases it's assumptions on the new Agatha show coming out this year - it even uses the Agatha shows old name, Agatha Darkhold Diaries

[winged lance]

(another reason the second one could be explained away, is her being a famous avenger whose powers are known)