Is John Walker a good person?

[atomic lance]

What was your impression of his character?

[feral comet]

Love how we’re all saying no

[latent cargo]

The immediate no's 😂

[digital root]

the people who said yes. go to a doctor get ur selfs checked

[floral cedar]

I feel there should've a mid option

[olive garnet]

Did not like him

[feral comet]

Lmao fr

[floral cedar]

y'all were quick to forgive clint barton who did worse

i think John isn't good but not evil

[feral comet]

I feel like his heart was in the right place, but he had a lot to learn

[floral cedar]

he was too unstable

[feral comet]

He wasn’t the right choice for captain america

[floral cedar]

and tbh his redemption was too fast

[latent cargo]

Except for yk... when he killed someone

[sleek elm]

I just don't like him.

[opal swift]

I don’t think he’s a good person but he’s not terrible it’s not his fault he was picked to be captain America

[feral comet]

I was talking about before

He became a terrible person because no one checked him

[floral cedar]

that's exactly why superheros need oversight

otherwise they go too far

[feral comet]

Capt never went too far 😔

[floral cedar]

they can though

[feral comet]

They can, but captain america never did

[floral cedar]

"just a few bad apples" is the same line cops give when they commit brutality

[waxen fulcrum]

I mean the person he killed was a terrorist so I won't judge him for that

[feral comet]

Yeah not disagreeing

[floral cedar]

and like i said, Clint barton did worse and the fans barely cared so i find the outrage a bit hypocritical

[feral comet]

I agree

[floral cedar]

someone being evil doesn't mean they deserve to be mudered

[latent cargo]

Well i mean that was the whole reason for the Sokovia Accords

[floral cedar]

ya that's what I don tlike about the MCU fandom

[feral comet]

Same, they’re idiots

[floral cedar]

they're all 'Walker is bad' then "superheroes can do whatever they want'

[opal swift]

I don’t think that even made him a horrible person, his best friend was killed right in front of him by a terrorist, a lot of people in the same position would do the same

[feral comet]

John Walker isn’t evil but he’s not Steve rogers good

[floral cedar]

yah it's not like they're going to make a poll about Clint barton

[floral cedar]

ya John became too aggressive

[feral comet]

I wouldn’t go out of my way to brutally kill someone who I didn’t need to kill, especially when it comes to the mission

[floral cedar]

my bigger issue was they killed off Lamar in a stupid way

[waxen fulcrum]

It's funny because (X-Men97 spoiler) || Rogue killed a bad person in that show and everyone cheered but when John does it he's a bad person Lol ||

[floral cedar]

did she murder the guy?

[feral comet]

That’s the thing John was too aggressive, to the point it allowed them to get away with the super soldier serum

[feral comet]

It’s the context that matters

John killed someone he didn’t have to

[floral cedar]

exactly

[thorn jetty]

Yea

[feral comet]

Sometimes your hands are forced, but he had a choice

[floral cedar]

but honestly i feel John Walker is a strawman which detracts from the bigger issues with superhumans who have no oversight and use excessive force

the same fans will equate any oversight with fascism

which is ridiculous

[feral comet]

Considering that superhero’s are often agents of the government themselves, sometimes the UN together

Yeah that would make sense

[waxen fulcrum]

(X-Men spoiler) || Rogue didn't have to kill Trask either Lol both Rogue and John took a life out of pure vengeance ||

[floral cedar]

well, the UN isn't a fascistic organization last I checked

plus vigilantes can be fascists too

[feral comet]

Lol, I wasn’t disagreeing

[feral comet]

Yeah

[floral cedar]

sorry, my mistake

but the MCu is unwilling to deal with that

so they say "hey, John will lose the shield and that's good enough"

[floral cedar]

Jeez

[feral comet]

Yeah still not the same

[floral cedar]

i honestly don't think this question even gets to the heart of the matter

a lot of fans still think vigilantism is the answer to crime

john walker is just the next step in that fallacious thinking

[feral comet]

Vigilantes tend to work for the government, sometimes allowed to do worse things than cops are allowed to because they have no oversight and sometimes that’s seen as a good thing

It’s not

[floral cedar]

exactly

that's the issue with the whole genre

just saying Walker is bad isnt' good enough

[feral comet]

Walker is just an example of many vigilantes that break the law and aren’t prosecuted

Though he was iirc

[floral cedar]

he's one of the few who actually suffered the consequences of his actions iroincally

Hawkeye didn't

[feral comet]

I know lmao

[feral comet]

Hawkeye deserves to be arrested

[floral cedar]

he got to go back to his whitebread instafamily

ikr

he killed Echo's dad for no apparent reason other than he's a criminal

[feral comet]

He broke the law, was under house arrest than chose to kill a lot of people for no reason

[floral cedar]

the exact thing FaWS proeached against

[floral cedar]

i hated that storyline

and tbh i found walker more likeable than Barton just as a character

aside from the rage murder business

[feral comet]

Hawkeye spoiler:||he didn’t that was king pin||

[floral cedar]

But he did, didn't he?

he just said Kingpin tricked him

[feral comet]

No, he didn’t, he did still kill a lot of people

[floral cedar]

hmm, i guess i didn't remember that part well

[sinful pond]

He's not goog like Steve but I don't think he is evil

[floral cedar]

but he still went on a killin gspree

[feral comet]

Kingpin tricking someone isn’t a good defense

[floral cedar]

and all those people were PoC

[feral comet]

Yeah

[floral cedar]

i agree

so the fanbase opposition to John sometimes rings hollow for me

[lapis stratus]

I mean- he didn’t kill innocent people

If anything he just went punisher mode for a while

[feral comet]

Punisher is still a criminal

[floral cedar]

innocent until proven guilty

[lapis stratus]

Yeah

[floral cedar]

thinking otherwise is what gets us all those crazy irl vigilantes

[feral comet]

but yeah as the laws concerned they were innocent

[floral cedar]

exactly. it's still murder

[floral cedar]

yah and while gangsters are usually bad guys, not everyone associated with crime is irredeemable

[lapis stratus]

Baron Zemo is secretly the ultimate good guy

[lusty jolt]

Walker is the best thing to come out of phase 4 and its not even close

[floral cedar]

lol he still mudered T'Chaka

[floral cedar]

shang chi thouigh

[lusty jolt]

Mid

[floral cedar]

i like it

[lusty jolt]

Okay

[lapis stratus]

Weeeell we all make mistakes

Greater goals

[nova heath]

Love everything about that sentence

[floral cedar]

he had a point but his delivery methods ended up doing the same things he decried

he's right but not a good person. T'Chaka didn't do anything to him

[lapis stratus]

Ofc ofc

[floral cedar]

although it's funny how T'Challa ended up deciding not to commit revenge

he's like the only who learned anything in Civil War

which is more than i can say for the titular hero

[lapis stratus]

Means to an end

Zemo is my role model

[floral cedar]

lol i can't say it was good

[floral cedar]

mkay

[lusty jolt]

Tchalla is better in civil war than in his own movie

[lapis stratus]

You want someth? You make emp explosions in Moscow or wherever it was

[spice drum]

[nova heath]

I can feel that

[feral comet]

That was Klaw

[floral cedar]

i think he's more entertaining in civil war

[feral comet]

Not Zemo

[floral cedar]

not in the mcu

[feral comet]

[spice drum]

Huh?

[feral comet]

True

[floral cedar]

oh you're joking

[spice drum]

Oh

💀

[floral cedar]

what also gets me is a lot of fans being ok with collateral damage as long as the heroes win

to me, that's an awful attitude

[lapis stratus]

[heady stirrup]

Exactly

[feral comet]

Collateral damage happens, it’s an aspect of powers fighting

[lapis stratus]

I can tell you’re a very smart person by this

[floral cedar]

thanks

[heady stirrup]

It's not as simple as yes or no

[floral cedar]

doesn't mean it always has to happen

plus heroes could try to mitigate the damage

[lusty jolt]

Avengers 1 had a ton of collateral damage but i forgive them for that as it was their first outing

[feral comet]

It doesn’t, it shouldn’t happen, but it does

[nova heath]

True like civilians didn't suffer too because of them

[floral cedar]

yah and some of it was their fault (like Ultron)

[lapis stratus]

I agree but since it was a yes or no I’d side with no

[lusty jolt]

Tony made ultron

[lapis stratus]

Only since there’s no middle ground

[floral cedar]

yah and someone should've been there to tell him no

[nova heath]

But Ultron as a villain was sick tho

[floral cedar]

idk i found him disappointing

[lusty jolt]

I think bruce was trying to lol

[lapis stratus]

Cap tried to minimize that too cause he told everyone to keep the fighting centered in a 4 block radius

[floral cedar]

ya but then bruce helped him anyways

[floral cedar]

steve in Avengers 1 seems like the opposite of Steve in Civil War

[lapis stratus]

Same- he’s better with the Hank Pym angst

[floral cedar]

agreed

that would've made him better in AoU

[lapis stratus]

When Bucky came back it kinda flipped him on his head

[lusty jolt]

I think it was so that he could try and mitigate but it clearly didnt work

[nova heath]

Steve's end didn't made any sense change my mind please like if he would really go back into the 40's tho

[lapis stratus]

He was a man in a new world until his old world started to creep back into his life

[floral cedar]

that's true but Steve remained obstinate and stubborn. he regressed

[floral cedar]

agreed

[lusty jolt]

Endgame moment

[floral cedar]

ya it failed big time

[lapis stratus]

Bruce just has social anxiety and is easily peer pressured lmao

[floral cedar]

he got back to himself in Endgame

except the whole 'let me abandon everyone for a woman I never actually dated' business

[lusty jolt]

I would say endgame massively ruined steve

[floral cedar]

haha

[lapis stratus]

He was just tired of Tony’s crap

[floral cedar]

i wouldn't say massively

[feral comet]

Right, that annoyed me

[feral comet]

Can’t blame him

[floral cedar]

me too

eh i was on Tony's side in Civil war

while tony was the jerk in AoU

[nova heath]

Yeah I mean he fought everything and anyone for Bucky just go back into the 40's 💀

[feral comet]

I wasn’t, but I hated Tony in the MCU

[floral cedar]

ikr!

[floral cedar]

for me it depends on the movie

i dind't like Tony in AoU

[sand forum]

He’s clearly a good character

[feral comet]

I cheered for his death in endgame

[floral cedar]

i liked him in Civil War

[feral comet]

[lapis stratus]

Hoes before bros

[sand forum]

Morally and well written

[floral cedar]

jeez

[floral cedar]

oh more joking haha

[feral comet]

I’m just a jokester dw

[floral cedar]

i'm starting to catch on to that

but Tony definitely annoyed me in AoU

[feral comet]

Same

[floral cedar]

after years of avoiding building weapons, he builds a new one?

fr?

[nova heath]

His girl should stayed snapped in half by wanda 💀

[floral cedar]

ouch

[feral comet]

A built a weapon, that would ultimately took over the world

[floral cedar]

ya

[lapis stratus]

He should’ve just brought her to modern times

[floral cedar]

would've been better

[lapis stratus]

Screw the time stream Loki and Kang ruined everything anyway

[floral cedar]

but honstly I don't get the Steve/Peggy appeal

[feral comet]

Imho it would’ve made more sense if they introduced antman early on like the comics and have him build ultron

[lusty jolt]

What
No

[nova heath]

Or this

[floral cedar]

huh?

[feral comet]

And iron man disagree with him

[lapis stratus]

Kang ruined the other Kangs by being too much like Kang in real life

[floral cedar]

agreed, it should've been Hank & Jan in Avengers instead of Clint & Nat

[heady stirrup]

What about Cap's point of the Nations taking too long to send the Avengers somewhere they should be

[lusty jolt]

Literally just have the original lineup from the comics plus cap and its perfect

[feral comet]

Finally someone with a brain

[feral comet]

EXACTLY

[heady stirrup]

The original lineup would've worked just fine lol

[floral cedar]

idk i find that a bit ridiculous. it sounds like the same things cops and soldiers say everytime someone thells them to wait

[heady stirrup]

And sure they can include Cap

[lapis stratus]

I would’ve loved that

[floral cedar]

merci

[lusty jolt]

Adding cap also works well

[feral comet]

The OG lineup is my favorite

[lapis stratus]

Janet has lost her importance in marvel cause of the MCU and it’s sad

[floral cedar]

ant-man 1 in Phase 1, ant-man 2 in pahse 2, ant-man 3 in phase 3

[floral cedar]

ikr.

[feral comet]

Exactly

[floral cedar]

really every one of the main guys shouldve been done like that

[feral comet]

Exactly

[lusty jolt]

She legit was the one who came up with the name “avengers”

[heady stirrup]

But sometimes if you make them wait, they really do arrive too late

[feral comet]

Hank should’ve been the old but smart one in the og avengers

[heady stirrup]

Yup

[brittle mural]

He literally murdered a surrender in broad daylight

No

[floral cedar]

maybe but i doubt they'll stop them from pursuing an alien invasion

[floral cedar]

and designed their costumes

[feral comet]

Wait instead of antman, he should’ve been giantman right before his retirement

[floral cedar]

i think he should've been the same age as the others. Rudd could've played Hank

then add Scott in Ant-Man 2

[heady stirrup]

Not an alien invasion, but what if an organization like Hydra produced high tech robots or dangerous mutations?

[lapis stratus]

Idk about Rudd being Hank

[floral cedar]

then they can assess the situation and if it

[lapis stratus]

Hank is more comedic

[floral cedar]

s necessry, send them in

[lapis stratus]

No sorry

Hank ISNT as comedic

[heady stirrup]

Yeah that's the point, if they deem it necessary

[floral cedar]

Rudd can be serious when he needs to be

[lapis stratus]

My mind messed me up thinking too fast lol

[floral cedar]

i just dont assume they wouldn't.

[lapis stratus]

Yeah but that’s not how he’s seen-
Plus he just doesn’t seem like Hank to me

[heady stirrup]

What if Hydra had someone on the inside to delay that process

[floral cedar]

wherease on the other hand, we've seen the avengers act when they shouldn't have

[floral cedar]

understandable

[lapis stratus]

Though I still think Hank should’ve been with Jan in avengers 1

[heady stirrup]

We see in the prior Captain America film hydra agents were in positions of power

[floral cedar]

they might but it doesn't mean everyone will listen to them. there should be protocols in palce for the Avengers to deal twith that

[floral cedar]

agreed

[lapis stratus]

He could’ve simply been a scientist for shield that made his tech or someth

[floral cedar]

yeah

and then they'd be on the team from the beginning

[nova heath]

Hmm true

[lapis stratus]

He could’ve had a mini arc in avengers 1 of growing more paranoid or scared instead of Tony- then he would’ve made Ultron

[floral cedar]

yeah it wouldn't have messed up Tony's progression

[heady stirrup]

Everyone doesn't have to listen to them, they can go on their own and disrupt communication efforts. These are all valid possibilities

It makes sense they wouldn't want to work for the nations

[floral cedar]

i undersand but it doesn' tmean the Avengers should have no oversight whatsoever

otherwise you get what happened in Lagos

or hawkeye or scarlet witch mudering people

the UN might be the wrong choice

[nova heath]

They should definitely I agree

[floral cedar]

but they could always appoint someone else

[floral cedar]

ty

tbh the movie could've dealt with this more in depth instead of forcing them all to fight

so we don't really see all the possibilities because of that

[nova heath]

Zemo the only one who achieved his goal with the accords

[lapis stratus]

Didn’t uh

[heady stirrup]

Fair point. There should be some level of oversight, but listening to the call of the U.N. is definitely not the way to go.

[nova heath]

Doesn't make him a less bad guy but still

[lapis stratus]

Geoff Johns write the avengers comics and they had like a political representative or someth?

[floral cedar]

i think the UN should have some say if the Avengers are unwilling to hold their own responsible

like Nat didn't say anything to Clint

but the Avengers shouldn't be a branch of the UN

per se

[floral cedar]

Gyrich?

[lapis stratus]

Yeah I think so

[floral cedar]

he's always been a morally questionable guy

[lapis stratus]

Yeah but that’s not the point

[floral cedar]

they coul'dve put Maria Hill in that position

[lapis stratus]

The point is that he’s there to be that face and be the government thing

[floral cedar]

i know, but he also comes off like a strawman to make any oversight look bad

[nova heath]

Well Tony was also before he changed

[floral cedar]

true

but did Gyrich ever improve?

[lapis stratus]

He doesn’t have to

[nova heath]

I don't know

[floral cedar]

i wish i could trust Marvel to try

[lapis stratus]

That can be a whole separate arc

[floral cedar]

to do something like that

ya

[lapis stratus]

Them having to deal with that later on

Ross would’ve been neat in that position too ngl

I also like your Maria idea- she needs more focus in the MCU

[floral cedar]

agreed

[heady stirrup]

Understandable

[floral cedar]

but she was never used well

[floral cedar]

ya

[lapis stratus]

She wasn’t horrible in avengers 1 but it didn’t go anywhere

[heady stirrup]

No

[lapis stratus]

Like they had a good start but

[midnight charm]

Who said John is good

[lapis stratus]

Then winter soldier hallened

[floral cedar]

lol

[lapis stratus]

Happened

[heady stirrup]

In fact, he's disliked by almost all the superhero teams

Avengers

F4

X-Men

[floral cedar]

exactly

[lapis stratus]

Lmao but that might be fun to see

[floral cedar]

it would

[nova heath]

Oh you leave the abused alone 💀

[floral cedar]

but they killed him off in teh first X-Men movie

[lapis stratus]

Didn’t the X-men have like a media rep in the utopian age?

[lapis stratus]

I meant the movie not Bucky

[heady stirrup]

He was in the first X-Men movie?

I didn't even know that

[nova heath]

I know xD was just a joke

[floral cedar]

Kelly's aide iirc

[heady stirrup]

LOLL

[lapis stratus]

OH lol my bad

[heady stirrup]

Did he have much lines?

[floral cedar]

blink and you miss it basically

[heady stirrup]

Expected

[floral cedar]

a few in the helicopter when mystique shoed up iirc

[nova heath]

Yeah my apologies English isn't my first language 😂

[heady stirrup]

Fox does that with a lot of significant characters

[floral cedar]

haha that's like the Fox-men ethos

[floral cedar]

sadly

[lapis stratus]

Oh no worries-
What is your first language? If you don’t mind my curiosity?

[lusty jolt]

Remember when they killed off the character whose power is that he cant die

[heady stirrup]

Fox moment

[floral cedar]

indeed

[nova heath]

I'm from Germany

[floral cedar]

remember when the killed the Black guy and made the mixed woman evil in Fisrt class?

in this supposed tale of civil rights?

[heady stirrup]

Maria Hill was so wasted

[floral cedar]

indeed

[heady stirrup]

It's one of the most disrespectful things in the mcu

[floral cedar]

she, Janet, Hank, Pietro

[heady stirrup]

Knowing how much of a big player she is

[floral cedar]

exactly

she was big in Civil war

[lapis stratus]

Oh cool!

[heady stirrup]

Hank disrespect was insane too

He had 0 relationship with Ultron

[floral cedar]

ya as much as he's not a great guy in the comics, that still could've been better used in the MCu

[heady stirrup]

He wasn't even our Ant-Man

[floral cedar]

and Janet got tossed into the QR

[lapis stratus]

Not even at phase 5 yet lol

[floral cedar]

at least she got a storyline in Ant-Man 3

[lapis stratus]

THATS WHAT IM SO MAD AT

[heady stirrup]

Yeah

[floral cedar]

phase 4/5 actually did better with a lot of heroes

at least shang chi and Kamala Khan didn't take 5 movies to become likeable

[heady stirrup]

Hank's treatment makes me fear what they'd do to Nova

[floral cedar]

possibly

[heady stirrup]

If a guy like him can get that, then anything is possible for a less known character

[lapis stratus]

Nah there was very little good stuff

[floral cedar]

idk they over inflated annoying Yelena's position

[floral cedar]

i ndon't agree

[nova heath]

Sorry to cut in but where do I get a colorful name?

[heady stirrup]

I can easily see them making Richard older and killing him off then giving Sam Alexander his stories

[floral cedar]

i'd take more of phase 4/5 than of 1/2

[lapis stratus]

It probably won’t be Rich

[floral cedar]

possibly

what if they did a similar thing to Carol/Kamala?

[heady stirrup]

Hank should've been involved in the Ultron stuff and should've been he main Ant-Man

[floral cedar]

agreed

[heady stirrup]

I wouldn't mind if they do it well

[lapis stratus]

That’s insane

[heady stirrup]

But it depends on how they do it

[floral cedar]

yeah they get an older actor for Nocva

[floral cedar]

i don't think so

[heady stirrup]

I don't want him constantly needing help

[lapis stratus]

Yeesss-
Maybe dying in endgame- MAYBE

[floral cedar]

and a younger one for Sam Alexander

[heady stirrup]

His entire MO is saving a bunch of lives on his own and it's mentally taxing

[lusty jolt]

Or maybe dont do sam

[lapis stratus]

The Lanning books were so good

Upped Richard for me a lot

[heady stirrup]

By "older" I'm thinking late 20s for the oldest

Because Richard is still a young character

[lapis stratus]

I feel like they’ve had multiple good opportunities to introduce Richard

[heady stirrup]

He's just really mature

[lapis stratus]

With the chaos xandar went through

[heady stirrup]

And has a bit of PTSD

[lapis stratus]

But now it would be a little weird

[lusty jolt]

Ive already explained one for gotg1

[heady stirrup]

That's what I was literally talking to someone about some weeks ago

The moment passed

Thanos is gone

[lapis stratus]

I think I missed it sadly

[floral cedar]

i don't think Rich would need help.

sam is the one who'd need help

[heady stirrup]

Endgame was 5 years ago

Xandar is gone for the most part

[lapis stratus]

Lmao yeah-
It kinda sucks that this happens sometimes

[heady stirrup]

Gamora is dead

Drax is gone

[lapis stratus]

Like Warlock could’ve had a cool intro before endgame

[prisma kettle]

No, but very very very good character in writing

[floral cedar]

warlock is still around

[heady stirrup]

Yup

[lapis stratus]

I never said he wasn’t

[floral cedar]

mm ok

i wasn't disagreeing with you

[heady stirrup]

Yeah that makes more sense

[lapis stratus]

But he should’ve fought Thanos

[lapis stratus]

My bad

[floral cedar]

no worries

[heady stirrup]

Yup

[floral cedar]

ya Rich would be the competent one. Sam is just starting out

[heady stirrup]

He should've confronted Thanos in some way

[lapis stratus]

I just find it sucky that Thanos had more beef with tiny Earthlings than Rich and Adam- or yknow- Drax and Gamora!!!

[heady stirrup]

MCU moment

[lapis stratus]

lol

[nova heath]

Beef with Drax would be funny

[lapis stratus]

Moondragon would be so cool to have seen too

[floral cedar]

it's the issue of the MCU being mainly avengers focused

[floral cedar]

agreed

[lapis stratus]

He HAS BEEF WITH DRAX- he’s supposed to

[heady stirrup]

So true

[floral cedar]

i think they wanted the big bad to be the enemy of the biggest team

which I understand

[heady stirrup]

Yup

[lapis stratus]

That’s Drax’s whole point and the Russo’s robbed him

[floral cedar]

at the same time, Drax and Gamora have more beef than Iron Man

[lapis stratus]

So true and so sad

Should’ve done a few more space things before Thanos

[floral cedar]

i undestand why

thanos is the overarching villiain and Avengers are the biggest team

[heady stirrup]

Agreed

[lapis stratus]

Yeah I get that but

I hate it

[heady stirrup]

Captain Marvel film really should've come earlier or something

[lusty jolt]

Basically hes a regular space cop chasing the guardians but as he starts learning more about them he realizes they arent bad people and ends up helping them fight ronan
Plot is the same for the most part

[nova heath]

Yeah I know but we should have seen this too it would've made things so much better if they showed us this

[floral cedar]

imo she could've come in phase 2

[floral cedar]

i understand

[neat isle]

He’s like soldier boy of Mcu

[lapis stratus]

I see… idk

[floral cedar]

haha

[neat isle]

More tame version anyway

[heady stirrup]

And that was the plan. Not sure why they didn't bother with it

[lapis stratus]

Exactly

[floral cedar]

ike perlmutter was sexist

from what I hear

[lapis stratus]

Russo’s crapped on the guardians

[floral cedar]

and racist

[heady stirrup]

Oh

[floral cedar]

ya that's why they didn't have more than 1 woman on the first Avengers team

iirc

[heady stirrup]

Gunn already stripped Nova of everything for the Guardians

So I said it's fair play

[floral cedar]

he didn't want any female or PoC leads

[lusty jolt]

Tbf theres only one on the comic roster originally

[heady stirrup]

Bruh are you serious

[floral cedar]

ya but it wasn't Nat romanoff

it was Jan!

[heady stirrup]

Lol

[floral cedar]

sadly ues

[heady stirrup]

Smh

[floral cedar]

Feige convinced Disney to get rid of his control by phase 3

[heady stirrup]

This would've been so good

[lapis stratus]

Ahem ahem- didn’t include wasp- cough cough

[floral cedar]

that's why the early movies don't have a lot of diversity and the female characters aren't treated well

[nova heath]

I'm mean you're not entirely wrong tho

[floral cedar]

unfortunately

[heady stirrup]

I'd take this over what we got

[floral cedar]

biggest misstep in the MCU imo

[floral cedar]

i think it would've been a good idea

[lusty jolt]

Also joss

[nova heath]

And now they clapping all fan favorites and use them just to tease shitty movies

[lapis stratus]

That way her being early she could’ve been Ms marvel first like the comics

[floral cedar]

yes, ugh, JOss

[heady stirrup]

GARTHAN SAAL WAS IN THE GUARDIANS FILM.

[lapis stratus]

Then switched to Captain later on

[floral cedar]

ya they could've done it like that too

i don't miss Whedon

[lapis stratus]

So was the other guy- I forgot his name

[heady stirrup]

I don't know how much worse it could've been

[floral cedar]

hey, that's Darth Maul!

[heady stirrup]

They have one of nova's biggest antagonists

[lapis stratus]

Is Saal the one that turns into dark nova or something?

[neat isle]

Bro was just standing on business and he was used to killing people so I don't think he's fully bad

[lusty jolt]

Literally just replace generic nova corps cop scenes and slap in richard ryder

[floral cedar]

tbh Guardians isn't super comics accurate

which can be an issue

[heady stirrup]

As if it wasn't bad already, in What If, we see his rivalry with Nebula

[lapis stratus]

I’m a bit upset that Warlock was treated like a toddler

[floral cedar]

i think Nova would've fit fine in Guardians `

1

[heady stirrup]

Literally pulled straight from Nova's book

[floral cedar]

i get why they did that

[lapis stratus]

Didn’t Nova come up with the guardians idea?

Like Jan did the avengers

Lmao

[floral cedar]

what if actually sometimes fixes problems with the main mcu

[floral cedar]

i think so

[heady stirrup]

He did

He's also why Gamora is on the team

[lapis stratus]

In the game Mantis is why

[heady stirrup]

Quill showed gratitude by trying to get with her as soon as Richard died

[lapis stratus]

But at least in the game Richard and Gamora have a past

[heady stirrup]

Real good "friend"

[lapis stratus]

….yikes

[floral cedar]

yah i don't think Quill & Gamora are a thing in the comics

[lapis stratus]

Hey Quill was voice by master chief in earths mightiest heroes

[heady stirrup]

The game was almost as bad as the films

But at least the game acknowledges his existence

[lapis stratus]

What else is bad about it?

[safe hearth]

Mantis and drax is a mid duo

[heady stirrup]

I'm referring to the Nova disrespect

[lapis stratus]

Ohhh

Yeah

[heady stirrup]

They had the blood brothers

[floral cedar]

i definitely think Mantis was improved post Endgame

[heady stirrup]

They had Cosmo

[lapis stratus]

I liked Kro El
Ko-Rel?

Yeah I liked the game

[heady stirrup]

Don't get me started on Ko-Rel

[lapis stratus]

At least if they ever made another they good fix those Nova problems

[lusty jolt]

They really shouldve had nova on the team before cosmo

[lapis stratus]

Just say he was off doing something more important-
Maybe he went after Thanos and he really was alive like Drax has been saying

[floral cedar]

Cosmo > Pizza Dog

[heady stirrup]

Crazy is that Cosmo even exists because of Nova

[lapis stratus]

You don’t like how she was done?

[heady stirrup]

He debuts in nova's book

He becomes best friends

And he likes humans after that experience

[safe hearth]

@heady stirrup who would you keep and add on the MCU guardians roster?

[heady stirrup]

No

I liked everything except her being with Star Lord

[lusty jolt]

From what i understand hes one of the few guardians to have a solo series

[lapis stratus]

Ohhh ok

Fair

[heady stirrup]

The current roster or the MCU roster in general?

[lapis stratus]

I built up Rel in my head then ||the comic I read she dies like immediately||

[heady stirrup]

If we're just talking about the general roster, then I'll have Star Lord, Gamora, Drax, Rocket, Groot and Warlock

[lusty jolt]

Add warlock before thanos please

[heady stirrup]

Nova's books are tragic

[lapis stratus]

I know but I was hoping to see more of her

I know he’s supposed to be the last nova a lot of times but I like it when there’s multiple

[heady stirrup]

He loved a woman. He left earth for a couple years and he comes back to find out she died soon after he left in a massive explosion

(Civil War)

Ko-Rel gives her life for him despite having a son

And she never got to return to her child

After all of her promises

[lapis stratus]

How would you feel if they brought her back to life somehow?

[heady stirrup]

FACTS

[heady stirrup]

I'd love it lol

She deserves to come back

She died way too early imo

[lapis stratus]

She’s in the world mind technically right?

[heady stirrup]

Yeah

[lapis stratus]

Like her brain or whatever

What if they brought back a bunch of novas by doing something with the world mind

[heady stirrup]

Yup

[heady stirrup]

Only few of them got it

I don't even recall Gamora having her own

[lapis stratus]

Gamora was in infinity watch

[heady stirrup]

I'd be okay with Ko-Rel returning

[lapis stratus]

Or someth like that

[heady stirrup]

Don't really need the others

And Queen Adora

Adora can come back

[lapis stratus]

Isn’t there a nova girl who’s like a makluan? Fin Fang Foom but more humanoid and smaller

[heady stirrup]

She was a good character

[heady stirrup]

LOL

Yes

Fraktur

She didn't die

[lapis stratus]

Oh what?!

[heady stirrup]

She just stopped appearing

[lapis stratus]

She’s just out in space being a dragon somewhere

[heady stirrup]

After Nova died

Lol

Yeah

[lapis stratus]

They should bring more nova stuff back

[heady stirrup]

She was a good character

[lapis stratus]

It’d be so fun to write for his space stuff

[heady stirrup]

She had to control her anger and stuff

[sly imp]

He should not be back to marvel

[heady stirrup]

And get better with her powers

She was quick to fight

[lapis stratus]

Fraktur?? I didn’t know she did anything I’ve just seen her in backgrounds

[heady stirrup]

Nova Vol 4 showed them very well.

[lapis stratus]

I see

I gotta get the old gotg book so I can continue

One thing I dislike is how many crossovers there is that impedes my progress

[heady stirrup]

Yeah they do

[heady stirrup]

Fing Fang Foom's cousin

[lapis stratus]

I also don’t fully understand the phalanx and the one X-men character

That talks like “self” this and “self” that

[lapis stratus]

LMAO I DIDNT KNOW-
I NEED MORE OF THIS

Foom’s whole family line pls

All doing different things in the universe-
One of them somehow became a red lantern

[heady stirrup]

LOL

[heady stirrup]

Oh yeah, he's from New Mutants books

He was in Nova Vol 4 as well

He's from another planet

He's quite powerful

He helped deal with the Phalanx when Ultron took over

[lapis stratus]

Yeah I read that part

I also read an xmen book where one of those robots got disconnected from the hive mind and was super depressed about it

[lapis stratus]

Also how does she do stuff without a helmet? Did she staple that thing to her forehead?

[floral cedar]

he has one?

[lapis stratus]

@floral cedar here she is lol

[heady stirrup]

They have powers without the helmets

Only Sam Alexander needs the helmet

[thorn spoke]

John Walker is overall a good person, he's just not Captain America

[lapis stratus]

Oh

[heady stirrup]

Yeah lol

[floral cedar]

i'm surprised

[lapis stratus]

Why in the world is that?

[heady stirrup]

It was a surprise for me too

[lapis stratus]

I think it’s goofy funny tbh so I’m all for it

[heady stirrup]

They use a different Nova Force

[floral cedar]

FFF is goofy as a name anyways

[heady stirrup]

Richard Rider and the others use the original Nova Force

[floral cedar]

i wouldn't say he's good, but he's not evil

[heady stirrup]

It was created with the Power Cosmic

[lapis stratus]

How do they get it without the helms?

[heady stirrup]

When the universe was created

Sam Alexander is a black helmet nova

[lapis stratus]

Which has their own force

[heady stirrup]

They use their own nova Force that is accessed from their helmets

[lapis stratus]

I read like the first 3 Sam volumes

[thorn spoke]

He impulsively killed a single terrorist who had just caused his best friend's death. If you vote "no" here then you are not allowed to claim that Rogue is a good person in X-Men '97 imo

[lapis stratus]

I just figured that normal nova force was also accessed via helmets

[heady stirrup]

Nah it's not

[floral cedar]

i think he got off fairly easy all things considered, but it was impulsive

[heady stirrup]

A beam of Nova Force hit Richard

[floral cedar]

granted, I don't think people should be killed just because they're bad guys

but the mcu is somewhat inconsistent on the matter

[heady stirrup]

It wasn't given to him through the helmet

[lapis stratus]

So he just like has his powers at all times

[heady stirrup]

Yup

Only Sam doesn't

[lapis stratus]

I see

[thorn spoke]

Yeah I agree

[lapis stratus]

I kinda like the aspect of a hero having powers only when they like- have a certain thing
Helmet, ring, hammer, whatever it may be

[heady stirrup]

Yeah it's one of the more unique traits

[lusty jolt]

Steve used a gun in his first movie and killed a bunch of people in his other movies as well

[lapis stratus]

Steve was in ww2

Death was apart of the deal

Spidey is really the only one that’s views killing as an ABSOLUTE NO

[floral cedar]

killing is ok (i think) in war, but i think attacking someone who's not attacking you isn't ok

[lapis stratus]

Daredevil too but I mean he’s done it before anyway

Spidey too ig…

[floral cedar]

i think it's more that the live action adaptations have made the heroes too used to killing

[ocean merlin]

This is slander

John Walker is like the greatest new MCU character

[floral cedar]

i wouldn't go that far

[lusty jolt]

Its true

[floral cedar]

hmm, i definitely like Kamala, Kang, Sub-Mariner, as much if not more

but I still think he's a good character

[lusty jolt]

Namor is the closest and hes okay

[floral cedar]

the only phase 4 characters I think suck are Alexei, Yelena and Kate

[lusty jolt]

Meanwhile walker is genuinely a good character

[floral cedar]

tbh, as someone who neve rliked his apeparances in the comics I read, i surprisingly liked him

[floral cedar]

oh yeah I think John is a good character

[lusty jolt]

Unfortunately thunderbolts is gonna ruin him

Which is why im not watching

Also the roster sucks

[floral cedar]

idk about that

[floral cedar]

i agree there

because i find Yelena and Alexei annoying

overinflated Z list versions of existing heroes

if it was just a movie with Bucky, John, Ghost, Valentina and Bill Foster, i'd at least be fine with it even though it's not really T-bolts

[heady stirrup]

Lol

3 super soldiers

On one team

And one has a metal arm

We have someone who can copy your techniqt

Someone who can walk through walls

And abomination may possibly be in the film

Possibly

[floral cedar]

i heard lawrence fishburne might be in it

that would be more interesting than black widow lite

ghost seems more like a super spy than black widow does

[fallen hemlock]

He's not all that bad of a dude, he's just trying to serve his country, but he has some issues

[autumn mountain]

Exactly

[fallen hemlock]

He's not pure good like captain America should be

But still not evil

[floral cedar]

eh, serving your country can be a bad thing

i think it's more he wanted to be a hero but cuoldn't handle the stress of losing his friend so he resorted to needless violence

[fallen hemlock]

Well yeah, it mostly depends how you do it

Like Peacemaker in James Gunn's unalive squad

He is willing to go to whatever lengths to protect the government in contrast to Rick Flag, who cares more about the people then the government itself

[floral cedar]

i haven't seen peacemaker yet

oh you meant TSS haha

yea i saw that one

[magic bluff]

I believe John walker wanted to be good it was just him wanting to actually be Captain America that he took it to the next level in taking the serum that could grant the superhuman aspect of what Steve rogers had and it manipulated him to a point he killed but then made up for it in the end and is going to possibly be a hero in the upcoming thunderbolts movie.

[floral cedar]

i doubt he'll stay a bad guy

[shell ice]

for people who said yes

DNI

[lapis stratus]

Yeah that’s kinda meh

I think Walker should’ve been the only one

[nova heath]

Rumors say that Bucky has just 5 seconds screen time lol

[floral cedar]

For real?

[nova heath]

They just using him to tease the film because he is a fan favorite

[floral cedar]

I thought that was his appearance in BNW

[nova heath]

That's why he isn't still on set of TB

They filming but he didn't showed up yet apparently he didn't get enough screentime and using his character to bleed him out because he is liked so much
Yelena is lead role

Bucky is just place 5 in the rank of the character from the film

I hope he gets his peace tho he deserves it, they should let him live with Sarah and have a happy life already

[lapis stratus]

Who was Sarah?

[nova heath]

Sister from Sam Wilson

[lapis stratus]

Oh

That would be awkward

Lmao

He’d be a cool “antagonist”

[nova heath]

No they had actually a scene where bucky ask Sam about Sarah and he said that they had chemistry

But the scene got cut out

[lapis stratus]

Doesn’t mean it’s canon

But it’d still be awkward- imagine your best friend dating your sibling

Or even just like a mutual friend of your real best friend

[nova heath]

I don't care about Canon bucky deserves peace and to be happy tho hey should get him completely out of marvel and let him have his peace

[lapis stratus]

Lmao

Bucky deserves peace yeah but

Brubaker’s stories with him as Cap are too good to miss out on

[nova heath]

I think him as Cap isn't good because of his traumas

[lapis stratus]

MCU and dc movies should embrace the multiple moniker thing with legacy characters

[nova heath]

But the stories are good that's true

[lapis stratus]

Barry Allen Flash and Wally West Flash is fun-
We should have Thor and Jane Thor, Logan Wolvy and Laura Wolvy, and both Bucky and Sam as cap

Laura is my favorite legacy character for marvel tho

[nova heath]

Hmm I don't see Bucky as Cap tho I mean I love the character but with his past he wouldn't be able to withstand the pressure as Cap would he?

[lapis stratus]

He would

It would fit perfectly with his arc

But we never saw Hank as Ant-Man so they’re really speeding their time table-

Rhodes was Ironman for a decently long time

[nova heath]

Nah leave the old man Bucky alone in his house happily with his cat alpine 😭

But I understand where you coming from

[lapis stratus]

It would literally be Black Widows “arc” at the beginning with avengers

I use quotations cause all they did was say it

[nova heath]

Comics?

[lapis stratus]

Movies

“I got red in my ledger, I’d like to clear it out” and all that

Why she joined shield (according to the movies)

[nova heath]

Ohhhh right

[lapis stratus]

Sam’s suit definitely looks the coolest tho

It’s design is very nice imo

[nova heath]

I like Sam so much

And he is real and not a super soldier

That's what makes him so interesting for me because he is actually vulnerable

[lapis stratus]

We’ll never get Spidey calling Barnes “Bucky Cap”

[nova heath]

Cappy lol

[nova heath]

But true

But the nickname doesn't add up for me 🤷‍♀️

[lapis stratus]

Bad pic but I was in a rush

[heady stirrup]

okay

I'm cool with him not really being in the film

already got Brave New World coming

[nova heath]

I knew he would hate it 😂

[lapis stratus]

Lmao

[heady stirrup]

I think I remember hearing about that

[lapis stratus]

They really giving Sam a Hulk villain?

[heady stirrup]

Lol I was hoping he wasn't playing a major role

[lapis stratus]

It’s sad how disrespected Hulk is in the MCU when he could’ve been considered one of the big 3 before the MCU started

[heady stirrup]

super soldiers are vulnerable too

[nova heath]

Yeah me too they should let him just live in peace and never touch him again

[lapis stratus]

Cap being a super soldier is too good

Cap needs to be able to do some impossible things

[nova heath]

Yes but you know what I mean do you?

[heady stirrup]

Yeah he can get injured easier

I doubt we'll see him take any injuries super soldier's won't also suffer a lot from tho

he may get shot

and we know he'll survive that

doubt a fall will seriously injure him

if he fights other super soldier then yeah, he'd most likely get cooked

[lapis stratus]

You’ll be surprised when they just have him die

[nova heath]

Smashed into walls or something

[lapis stratus]

Out of nowhere and out of pocket too

[heady stirrup]

yeah and that should put him out the fight

because he's a normal human

but still he'd most likely get up a few moments after

[lapis stratus]

Are his wings vibranium now?

[heady stirrup]

main character moment

[heady stirrup]

I don't think so

[nova heath]

From wakanda

Yes

[heady stirrup]

when did they say that

i dont recall his new suit being explained much at all

[lapis stratus]

I don’t know they said it but

All it is is from wakanda

Which could mean anything

[heady stirrup]

I just remember him getting it almost out of nowhere

[heady stirrup]

??

[nova heath]

Well it's only reasonable because Bucky called in a favor

[heady stirrup]

how do we know this

[heady stirrup]

oh that's the favor bucky called in

okay

[lapis stratus]

That’s the only thing that was revealed

[heady stirrup]

then yeah, it's likely vibranium

[nova heath]

Yeah they made his wings in wakanda

[lapis stratus]

So if he gets punched in the back or thrown he’ll probably be fine

He is going against ||Red Hulk|| tho- it doesn’t make sense if he wins

[nova heath]

Red hulk?

Are they crazy

[lapis stratus]

||it was spoiled toys and it’s in the casting and all that||

[nova heath]

Well I think he's fucked if I see this logically

But it's marvel

[lapis stratus]

We’ll never get a comic ship that I actually like

[heady stirrup]

I highly doubt

They said he's in the film

but most likely Abomination may be there

same for Thunderbolts

[lapis stratus]

There’s ||toys of legitimate Red Hulk||

[heady stirrup]

they already have the leader was well

[nova heath]

Well then he is maybe in the end teasing the second film

[heady stirrup]

I think he plays a significant part in the new cap film

I just dont think Sam will be taking him on directly

i saw multiple antagonists for the film

[lapis stratus]

So you don’t think they’ll fight but he’ll be there?

[heady stirrup]

and yes, the other one is a hulk villain

[heady stirrup]

I don't think they'll have a fight like Cap and Thanos did

[lapis stratus]

Diamondback or something? Can’t remember- some girl with a purple suit

[heady stirrup]

i think Sam would be trying to either escape him or distract him

[lapis stratus]

That wouldn’t be bad

Red Hulk just doesn’t make sense without Hulk

[heady stirrup]

if there is a straight up fight, I believe they'd use Abomination or someone else

[heady stirrup]

they have another hulk villain too

quite a bit

[lapis stratus]

Yeah but I don’t even know who that is

[nova heath]

Idiot assumption but what's with AIM

[heady stirrup]

bruce banner may even be in that film

[heady stirrup]

Not just Diamondback

||The Leader|| as well

[lapis stratus]

They showed up in Ironman 3 and have never returned

[lapis stratus]

I did see him in the cast

[nova heath]

Jup

[lapis stratus]

I don’t know much about Leader or Diamondback tbh

So Red Hulk is just unbelievable to me

[heady stirrup]

They may be in Armor Wars

[heady stirrup]

diamondback is a cap villain

[lapis stratus]

I feel like aim fits more with Antman or Hulk

[heady stirrup]

but leader is a full on hulk antagonist

[lapis stratus]

I know that much

Super smart big green head-

But idk his comic origins or why he hates hulk and whatnot

Diamondback I literally know nothing about

[nova heath]

Same

[lapis stratus]

I thought the guy in Luke Cage was Diamondback

[heady stirrup]

same

[heady stirrup]

never watched luke cage

which guy

oh

yeah

[lapis stratus]

Lmao

[heady stirrup]

there is another diamondback

marvel moment

[lapis stratus]

Gotcha

Pfft

It’s like legitimately sad Hulk can’t have his own films

[heady stirrup]

yup

[lapis stratus]

And hulk is now professor hulk too…

Red Hulk now just doesn’t make sense

[sleek dock]

he used to have good intentions

but after his desicions to take the serum

big x

[static gulch]

Excuse me to the 85%??

[heady stirrup]

so true

really think they shouldn't have done that professor hulk thing

[lapis stratus]

There’s so much that they shouldn’t have done and so much they should’ve

[heady stirrup]

yeah

[static gulch]

The reverse actually imo. John didn’t do anything the Avengers don’t already do on a regular basis

[static gulch]

… are you talking about Steve? Because if you are, he’s done way worse than Walker ever did

The only reason why people think what Walker did was worse was because of the music, camera-work and 🩸 bloood! 🩸 telling the audience he did a no-no

[lapis stratus]

Well Walker got live-streamed so

Steve was smart, he did his dirty work when they didn’t have cameras like that

[static gulch]

Just to clarify tho, I’m not condemning Steve for anything he did. I’m just saying not to condemn John Walker for doing way less

[daring shadow]

John Walker, much like Cyclops, was right

[neat isle]

Bro John might as well have pissed all over Captain America's legacy

[unreal turtle]

He’s badass😂💯 captain America if he wasn’t a Pussy

[fierce elbow]

He's disrespectful to the shield, has uncontrollable anger. Idiotic personality and childish behaviour. He shouldn't have been the new Captain America cause he doesn't have the knowledge and maturity of Steve, not even the slightest bit.

All he did was everything except good justice and be mature.

[daring shadow]

Uncontrollable anger? Every time he got angry it was completely justifiable

[fierce elbow]

The blood on the shield said enough of why he couldn't be Cap.

[fierce elbow]

Atleast don't go for someone and kill them instantly without consulting them

[daring shadow]

If your best friend was murdered in front of you, you'd be angry too - and if we're punished for trying to avenge your dead best friend, you'd be angry too

[daring shadow]

You're acting like this is the first time someone with Caps shield has killed

Cap killed ten times the people Walker did in WW2, and other conflicts

Also it wasn't his choice to be the new Cap

It's something the government decides for him

He was the only smart character in that show, so idk where you got idiotic personality from - he tries to work with Sam and Bucky to save more people, they're the people who disagree with him

[fierce elbow]

My opinion, just saying

It's fine if you like Walker, i don't mind it

I just don't like Walker

[static gulch]

Steve's got a lot of blood on that shield and everywhere else

So has Sam and every other Avenger

[static gulch]

Ten I'm guessing would be a pretty low estimate TBH

[static gulch]

You said that him getting blood on the shield said everything on why he shouldn't be Captain America. I think that goes beyond "I just don't like Walker"

[fierce elbow]

Infront of everyone though?

[static gulch]

Hehehehehe. Like Steve?

Steve and all the other Avengers kill people publically on a regular basis

[fierce elbow]

That shield represents bravery and justice, not revenge and anger??

[fierce elbow]

Not on purpose dude??

Not innocent people dude???

[static gulch]

Definitely on purpose

[fierce elbow]

The person Walker killed wasn't even the right guy

[static gulch]

And the Flagsmashers aren't innocent

Not even close to innocent

[fierce elbow]

Go for the leader dude

[static gulch]

He didn't kill a civillian. He killed a Flagsmasher

[fierce elbow]

Infront of civillians?!

[static gulch]

Like the Avengers. Sure

[fierce elbow]

I see Tony in you

[static gulch]

Okay so killing Proxima Midnight is wrong. We should kill Thanos and only Thanos

Scarlet Witch is a horrible person now

[fierce elbow]

Scarlet Witch is literally queen of hell

Scarlet Witch, not Wanda.

[static gulch]

What is that supposed to mean? Captain America intentionally kills in front of civilians when the towns are made into the combat zone like what happened with Walker

[static gulch]

Fine. Wanda.

Wanda is a horrible person because she killed Proxima Midnight, right?

[fierce elbow]

No?

[static gulch]

She should've killed Thanos even though Thanos was not there. Like how Walker should've killed Karli even though she already escaped

Go for the leader dude

[fierce elbow]

Dude🤦‍♀️

Sam almost had Karli, with literal WORDS

and then Walker came in and ruined everything

[static gulch]

Okay so the issue isn't even about the Flagsmasher or the shield or killing or the public anymore huh?

[fierce elbow]

Dude the question is "Is john walker a good person"

[static gulch]

And the answer is, yes

The only reason why people think what Walker did was a bad person was because of the music, camera-work and 🩸 bloood! 🩸 telling the audience he did a no-no

He didn't do anything Steve, Sam or any of the Avengers already hadn't done

[nova heath]

Well i hate walker deeply but i dont think entirely that he is a bad person he is an asshole yes he is arrogant yes but he wasn't or isnt a bad person

[static gulch]

And @fierce elbow I'm not trying to condemn any of the Avengers or other heroes by saying this either. They did nothing wrong too and are good people, same as Walker

[static gulch]

Well... mostly. Wanda's now a bad person after all of the enslavement and genocide but you get what I sorta meant, throughout Phases 1-3 & FATWS

[nova heath]

What I hate tho is that the actor who plays Walker gets so much hate for acting this guy

[heady stirrup]

Cap was the exception

US was really looking for exactly what he was

A Super Soldier

not a superhero

[neat isle]

No. Just... No.

[brittle mural]

How is cap a pussy?

[unreal turtle]

He doesn’t kill, brutally

[brittle mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6RJg4-_cxI&ab_channel=Dylasophical

let's not lie now

[unreal turtle]

Ohhh yea, I’m tweakin😭

[brittle mural]

just because you don't see blood doesn't mean they aren't brutal af

[static gulch]

It’s exactly that lmao

[brittle mural]

he definitely cracked that guy's neck in Civil War, if he didn't die from gas poisoning

[static gulch]

I haven’t watched this video but remember in Civil War when Captain America’s opening move was to have Falcon drop him from the sky so that he can slam himself and crush a bad guy under his shield at a hundred miles an hour

[brittle mural]

Cap does not give 2 shits he merced the whole hydra

[static gulch]

Remember when he tears off a guy’s mask so that he can suffocate himself to death on poisonous gases

[static gulch]

Absolutely

[brittle mural]

He kicked that mf on the boat and literally snapped his back in half before he went to drown in the water

[static gulch]

The Avengers are brutal af

[brittle mural]

in ws

[static gulch]

And this isn’t to condemn them or anything. This is just to ask why do people condemn Walker for doing way less

[brittle mural]

to be fair

Steve would not kill someone who surrendered

[static gulch]

Hehehehhee

Are you sure about that?

[brittle mural]

do you have an example

[static gulch]

I do have one hehehe

[nova heath]

It's because they see other movies from the heroes with their back stories and they don't see a sad back story in Walker and they hate him that he calls himself Captain America 🤷‍♀️ it's sad

[brittle mural]

also John Walker sucks for other reasons

He is a government lapdog and lied to Battlestar's family

[nova heath]

Yup

[static gulch]

Hold on I’m getting the clip

Look at this poor guy. He’s literally dazed, he can’t think. Steve slammed his shield so hard into this guy’s skull that he can’t think anymore or process what’s happening. Mercy? Hell nah, which is fine

[brittle mural]

He didn't surrender though

Cap isn't 1000% merciful but even he knows better than that

[static gulch]

Think for a second. When you’re so dazed and so beat up to a point where you’re brain doesn’t have the function to think anymore, shouldn’t that count as surrendering?

He can’t fight anymore

[brittle mural]

No it counts as dying

[static gulch]

Unlike the Flagsmasher who still could have tried if Walker spared him

[nova heath]

But this was pure overreacting from Walker tho

Because of his friend who died

Steve would do the same if that happened to Bucky

[brittle mural]

If caps sees the opps they're getting merced but if one surrenders they won't

[nova heath]

Like Civil War only that cap didn't killed him
You could see in Tony's eyes that he was terrified of Cap

[static gulch]

Sure he was grieving but him grieving or not doesn’t change his actions being right or wrong

[nova heath]

That's true

[static gulch]

And although he could’ve tried to arrest. Killing was definitely not a wrong move either