Do you like Secret Invasion's AI-generated title sequence?

[toxic portal]

It cool

yeah

[umbral bronze]

it was cool

[somber surge]

i think its a bit lazy but it still looks cool

and the music for it is good

[twilit anvil]

Nuh uh

[lunar prawn]

It looked really cheap and was a disgusting tactic

[molten mist]

girl who’s voting yes😭

[patent musk]

I like it but it was annoying and long in my opinion

[scarlet turret]

Fuck AI Art

[cerulean bison]

I don’t hold any strong opinions on either side, but I can understand people’s complaints and why they chose to do it.

I get that Marvel wanted to go for the angle of AI tries to replicate humans the same way Skrulls does and that’s the significance behind why the opening is AI. But maybe as an alternative you could’ve had an AI try to replicate a human’s art, then have an actual artist replicate what the AI made to still give the intro the significance of being a copy like how Skrulls are a copy

[hot yacht]

Ikr

[obsidian hinge]

I’m mixed on it. I do get the vibe they were going for but come on. Using AI is lazy

[molten mist]

the sentiment in theory is interesting, but the timing is problematic af

it’s like “let’s show how bad this is for this world by using and promoting it!”

[frigid mica]

ai art is boring and it usually all looks the same. it also takes jobs away from artists and in this case animators.

[molten mist]

and it’s kinda a comparison that doesn’t go anywhere at all? like that isn’t further discussed in the show

[cerulean bison]

Yeah I understand the sentiment but genuinely in an age where artists are genuinely afraid of being replaced by AI, this was not a good decision to make

[tardy matrix]

Absolutely not

As an artist, i think its awful they did that instead of paying a damn artist

PAY YOUR ARTISTS

Also really bad timing with the strike yikes 😬

[harsh kestrel]

Marvel is getting lazy with their projects

[tardy matrix]

Agreed

[tardy matrix]

Yep

[blissful peak]

Nerds

[tardy matrix]

Why people saying yes 😭

[blissful peak]

I don’t have opinions on this

[desert shoal]

I don’t have anything about it. Yeah, they could’ve put in a bit more effort, but i get why they used ai too.

[blissful peak]

Secret invasion still sucked

[limpid ginkgo]

I feel like y’all forget that the opening was based off art made by a human

[harsh kestrel]

Why are so many people choosing yes?

[gaunt sphinx]

I didn't notice it was AI generated.

[gaunt sphinx]

Valid point

[toxic portal]

I have no comment on this situation

just horrible asf timing

[tardy matrix]

Fr

[bronze gazelle]

In simple terms, not my cup of tea

[azure rain]

Glad I didnt finish watching it

[tardy matrix]

I watched it it was very much a waste of time

[winged lake]

.

Agreed

Full on

[bronze gazelle]

After I listened to it's reviews I am glad I didn't even started it

[tardy matrix]

Dodged a bullet

[bronze gazelle]

Absolutely 💯

[gentle drift]

It doesn’t even look good and why is it so long

[tardy matrix]

It is very long

[runic oasis]

It was alright

[harsh kestrel]

I have only watched the first episode

[knotty vigil]

Rip Maria hill and Talos

[harsh kestrel]

Spoilers!

[toxic portal]

It’s a.i, so it’s automatically a W…

[echo helm]

It was ok

[eternal hawk]

Im in the middle here. I think it's an interesting concept and it looks kinda cool but if this encourages use of more AI stuff then im on no.

[prime folio]

I don’t like the fact that the title sequence was made with AI art, but I’d be lying if I said I thought it looked bad

[toxic portal]

Yes because it showed how AI can be a threat just like skrulls

[elfin crown]

Surprised at the results.

[lusty anchor]

There’s things about it I like and things about it I dislike

[silk radish]

its shit

[weak flame]

Apparently to marvel, they didnt replace any artists with the AI tool, they would rather say that it is a tool used with the artists

[silk radish]

just like the show

what a twist

[silk radish]

no lmao

[strange topaz]

I skipped it everytime 😭

[tardy matrix]

Pfff what a load of garbage

[lusty anchor]

That’s cuz there was still artists that helped with it.
They didn’t just type a few words into a filter and get an intro

[tardy matrix]

What 😭

[weak flame]

I normally skip all intros and outros, not bc theyre bad but rather because id rather watch the episode

[tardy matrix]

I do that except with startrek

[silk radish]

yeah bro is on some serious copium rn

[weak flame]

My source is from inverse.com, so you can read the article yourself if youd want tjat

[tardy matrix]

Nah i believe that they said that but thats such a stupid excuse

Cmon marvel do better

[weak flame]

I dont think of it as an excuse, i think of it as an explanation. They said and i quote: “while the AI component provided optimal results, AI is just one tool among the array of toolsets our artists used. No artists’ jobs were replaced by incorporating these new tools; instead, they complemented and assisted our creative teams.”

They also said this about the criticism of AI: “Where the problems start to arise is where people forget that AI is a tool and they look at it as a end-all be-all source for creative solutions,”

They apparently used AI for producing into the spiderverse

[pliant canyon]

Fuck no, AI-generated images PLAGIARIZE people's work without their consent.

[waxen wave]

AI's use is increasing, but it doesn't mean we snatch people's jobs from them

The timing of Marvel is so bad, I never thought I'll hate Marvel

[pliant canyon]

Seriously, how would you feel if an AI plagiarized your work?

[ashen bough]

I, personally hadn’t noticed much difference between Secret Invasion’s title sequence "style" -I suppose you could call it-, compared to the Marvel shows of past.
That being said, I did still notice the difference. Honestly, the way the introduction sequences look and are presented isn’t a massive deal to me, it’s the quality of the show that I look forward to.
Once again, that being said, I always watch through the title sequence at least once, as to appreciate the time and effort the artistic team put into making each screen.

To answer the question: Yes, I did appreciate the introduction sequence. Some title sequences I enjoyed more than others but I appreciate them all.

[ionic harbor]

Everyone saying no is just coping, ngl

The question is "do you like it"

Not "do you think it was a good idea to let an AI do it'
🤦‍♂️

[obsidian hinge]

I mean…. It was technically made by artist. They hired artists, and the artist decided to use AI because of the “otherworldly” feel

[pliant canyon]

That's like asking if you like specific s||nuff|| films despite the fact that the people involved were murdered.

So, no, I do not like the intro sequence because they plagiarized people's work.

[mental edge]

50-50

[weak flame]

i say that yes, it is bad that they have used plagiarized work, but we should see it on both sides, that AI is another artistic tool

[ionic harbor]

What on earth is this comparison 💀

[fickle niche]

I don’t like that they used AI instead of paying artists, and I completely understand why artists would be mad. The designs are pretty sick though.

[noble coyote]

Cause

It’s green

[trail flame]

intro looks cool, i like it a lot

however i don’t really want more AI intros

keep it as like a unique secret invasion thing

[opaque stone]

I think skrulls and ai are soemwhat alike I mean they both want to rid the world of humans and replace them with their own kind so it makes sense

[trail flame]

^^^^

both can take the role of humans in some cases too, as proven by both the intro and show

[opaque stone]

Yeah

Btw can u name a random Spider-Man villian that isn’t well known

I need another villian for my fan fiction

[steel vault]

jackal

[opaque stone]

I already have him

I am making a sinister six

[rain dune]

No ok option

[opaque stone]

💀

[radiant dawn]

It looks cheap

Without all the ai art problems

It just looks eh

[tardy matrix]

That doesnt sound like a thing a regular artist whoes paid well would do

[prime folio]

yea I agree

[toxic portal]

? Just think what I am saying but it does sound right even if the Marvel guys didn't think like that

[silk radish]

okay maybe i should have put time into creating a proper sentence
allright take 2: why do you think that

[toxic portal]

That AI can be a threat?

[silk radish]

yes

and why is the intro an example of why ai can be a threat

[toxic portal]

Bruh they are using AI which can be a threat or can't be as ppl like us are discussing in the whole world signifying that skrulls can also be a threat and also can't be cuz good and bad skrulls.

[fresh thistle]

I don’t follow

[cobalt blaze]

Bro this intro is amazing, it also has a meaning, ai recently has become do advanced that you can barely tell if its real or ai nowadays, just like skrulls, don't you see ai has become so advanced they can literally be indistinguishable from a normal voice, human etc just like how the skrulls can literally blend in that we cam barely tell if their human or not, that's why I love it, ai and skrulls have alot of similarities

[fresh thistle]

I liked the intro because the ai art made it seem a bit eerie with the fact that anyone can be a skrull that’s kinda why I like it

[rich fable]

yeah

but like i dont get why all these ppl are pissed about it

[fresh thistle]

Because it’s set up like it’s a mystery and detective show

[rich fable]

like unless people were originally hired for it and replaced with ai, then i dont get it

[fresh thistle]

But it isn’t

Oh you meant the intro

[rich fable]

ya

[fresh thistle]

Idk either

[gray pasture]

I mean I get the Supremes but it could have also been hand drawn too.

[balmy wasp]

i like the look but i think you should just hire a bunch of
artists

[cunning hawk]

I find it incredibly lazy and cheap looking as well as the problems with the ethics of AI art and the fact that it took away jobs from artists. So all around not a fan. I think AI art looks bad in general as well

[worldly pike]

Unless it's revealed that artists were hired to make the sequence behind Secret Invasion but were replaced by AI art, I don't think there's anything wrong with having the intro made using AI. Nevertheless, the AI art did look really bad, the uncanniness of AI art just creeps me out in general.

[restive pagoda]

because it fits the theme of the show

[lone briar]

it looks ugly lol

[ocean cobalt]

i mean i like it visually and it fits the theme of the show but i don’t appreciate ai that much

[sharp trail]

Idk, guess I am indifferent, considering it is "inevitable" (no pun/reference intended for thanos lol) that A.I would be a thing and heard about all this "A.I Art" fad going around for months now, so I wasn't surprised companies would be utilizing it in their entertainment. We already have automated systems, so I don't see why some people make a big deal when overall in modern society, it always has been sus to go this route

[eager inlet]

I do agree with people in such that this shouldn't become a common thing for shows and films to do

but also that I feel like it was reasonably fitting for both the show and the world we're currently living in

i'm by no means an authoritative voice on this, but from what I'm aware, there were still a significant number of humans involved in the making of this AI intro

while the actual imagery created was generated, from what I understand, real people still put in the time to design, template, train (don't quote me on this but iirc i heard that the training images were specifically created for this), and edit this intro together

the AI itself was just used as a tool, in the same way 3D modelling is used to create most other intro sequences

[fervent walrus]

imagine not liking it for the reason of how it was created

🤣 'pay the artists'

[uneven wave]

Anyone that voted yes should be banned

[eager inlet]

under what basis lmao

[uneven wave]

Being wrong 🙏

I think it just sets a bad precedent which should not be supported under any circumstance.

Even if they actually used real artists and then converted that into AI

Which might not even be true

[worldly pike]

It most likely is, AI wouldn’t be able to create something like that completely raw and without any prompt or information fed to it

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/21/marvel-secret-invasion-ai-art-opening-credits/amp/

[uneven wave]

Not necessarily. A prompt is always needed but you can just type in a prompt on any AI generating software

So like

[worldly pike]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/secret-invasion-ai-opening-1235521299/

[uneven wave]

They don't need actual artists which they paid to create those images

Either way it's bad practice, whether they got paid artists to first make some art or not.

[worldly pike]

The art team behind the AI intro was even credited in the end credits

Including the animators and art director

[uneven wave]

It's good that they used real artists but that doesn't change the fact that it's bad

[worldly pike]

🤨

They used real artists, the artists were compensated and they were credited in the post credits. Absolutely nobody is getting the short end of the stick here

Don’t get me wrong, I voted no, but there’s nothing unethical or wrong with this

It’s just the medium they chose for the intro

It fits the theme of the show

[uneven wave]

Not only does it set a bad precedent, it's also a way to suit the audience into this. First they do this, then they go a little step further, and another and another until eventually people do start losing their job and until AI art is genuinely getting integrated within the products they make

The practice is also training their AI software so that eventually it can become stronger and do stuff like this one its own.

[uneven wave]

It doesn't

AI is nothing like skrulls

[worldly pike]

And you’re going overboard with a hypothetical slippery slope based on nothing that’s happened yet. If this does happen in the future, it was inevitable and whether marvel used AI for this intro or not, it was going to happen regardless

[uneven wave]

The entire "it fits the theme" argument is something they use to hide the corrupt ideas behind it.

[worldly pike]

The AI art was used to represent the evershifting skrulls and the uncanniness of the intro just added to the theme overall

[uneven wave]

We're talking about Disney here don't act like this is something they wouldn't do because it's far from unrealistic, definitely with all the new information that's been popping up like them trying to incorporate AI in the acting and writing departments

[silk radish]

Ai in it's current state is not dangerous and it will stay that way for a long ass time. There is nothing to be affraid off. So there goes your reasoning.

[uneven wave]

But unlike AI skrulls perfectly replicate humans, have human emotions, human behaviors, human relationships etc. The only real link here is that they shapeshift.

[worldly pike]

No major changes can be credited to a single event. Marvel’s actions may have sped up the process for more studios to start using AI, but they aren’t the sole reason that this will happen, even if it does

[uneven wave]

Yes and that's all bad

Them speeding it up is bad

Them supporting it is bad

[toxic portal]

Bro are you serious

[uneven wave]

Which is why it's a bad practice

[silk radish]

But you can still Tell when something is made by ai or not lmao
Same for the skrulls in this show. It's incredibly obvious.

[toxic portal]

I said it can be

[worldly pike]

What? My point isn’t that skrulls are like AI, I’m talking about how the intro was ever changing and never static, AI art was just the proper medium to convey the theme

[toxic portal]

It depends

[silk radish]

Yes
You can still Tell when something is made by ai or not

[uneven wave]

And you can't do this a million other ways without AI?

Like just make a good intro?

[toxic portal]

No some things are not, haven't you heard of that act of a man he told judges that it is made up of ai after winning. It was just to prove this.

[silk radish]

Which is also a bad argument
Skrulls have actual feelings compared to ai

[toxic portal]

AI is replacing humans in some fields to create more demand of jobs in different area ik that but still it is still a threat every coin has 2 sides.

[worldly pike]

You could, but in this specific instance that’s what they chose to do and nobody was harmed or had a job taken in the process. Stop using hypotheticals to try and make this into a bad thing. The artists were credited, paid, and worked on the AI art. Nobody was hurt in this instance, whatever could happen in the future shouldn’t change the fact that nothing bad happened here/

[uneven wave]

No major changes can be credited by a single event but a single event can set a precedent which makes these bad changes easier to incorporate

[silk radish]

You r phrasing it kind of weird
Im not following

[worldly pike]

And I never compared AI to skrulls, you’re missing my point entirely.

Which I stated several times

In the very message you replied to

[silk radish]

What fields

[silk radish]

Skrulls are like ai

[toxic portal]

Same fields but in a different line of job work.

[silk radish]

That's a comparison

[worldly pike]

Bruh what point are you trying to make 💀

[silk radish]

That's literally what you said

[toxic portal]

No one is comparing, it is just metaphorically signifying

[worldly pike]

Where

“My point isn’t that skrulls are like AI”

[silk radish]

Nvm i misread it
Im a dumbass

[uneven wave]

It's actively supporting a cause which could and probably will in the long run harm a lot of people even if it's not doing so right now which is why this should be heavily frowned upon. Saying that these are "just hypotheticals" as if this isn't extremely realistic is just ignorant of how large of a problem this could become.

[silk radish]

And the metaphor doesnt work

[toxic portal]

Well it does for me and other ppl that thought like that too

[uneven wave]

We should fight against this now and frown upon it now before it's too late.

[toxic portal]

I can't force if everyone doesn't think like that

[worldly pike]

And you keep using hypotheticals to justify why this specific usage is bad, it makes little sense.

https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/slippery-slope-fallacy/

[uneven wave]

Because this is common practice, take minor steps so people ease into it until eventually they accept the thing they'd initially find repulsive.

[worldly pike]

In this specific instance, no harm was done

[toxic portal]

With AI's rise, a set of rules should be made in future even chatGPT said that.

[worldly pike]

That’s my only concern

[silk radish]

The show does nothing with it's concept which is:"everyone can be a skrull"
And that's a message the ai created intro Sends even tho it's not even in the fucking show
That's why i think it doesnt work

I hope that makes sense

[uneven wave]

Because these are realistic hypotheticals which we know they're trying to push which has come out with both the writer and actor strike as well as a history of them not liking to yk pay people.

I prefer fighting it now while it's still "a hypothetical" rather than not doing so and regretting it in 5 years when it's causing serious damage

This is not unrealistic

[silk radish]

God damn this discussion is interesting

[uneven wave]

But the precedent and strategy behind it can and likely will in the long run

[silk radish]

My man pulled out the slippery slope

[worldly pike]

But in this specific usage of AI art the exact opposite of everything you’re hypothesizing happened. My only concern is what happened with the Secret Invasion intro, not misaligned prophecies of what could happen in 5-10 years.

[worldly pike]

And that’s your own prerogative. But there’s a difference between fighting against bad usage of AI art and condemning proper usage without having any points on why this specific usage was bad

[uneven wave]

In this specific instance it's not harming anyone but it remains a first step in what could and realistically will become quite harmful.

We know these companies

We know how they operate

Don't ask like my hypotheticals are silly and goofy

[worldly pike]

And I completely understand that, I said that it could speed up the process, but as of right now, nothing of the sort happened, there’s absolutely no bad faith.

[silk radish]

🍿

[uneven wave]

Just because something doesn't effectively hurt the industry right now doesn't mean we should be okay with it. We should always consider the given precedent it sets because that's how these industries incorporate (bad) change.

[worldly pike]

And this is the precedent that the secret invasion intro set:

• They hired multiple artists and art directors to work on the intro
• The artists were compensated for their work on the intro
• The entire team was credited in the post credits scene for their work on the intro

A practice like this isn’t far off from artists working with CGI, at this stage it’s just a different medium. If it does spin out of control and marvel is to blame, I’ll eat crow. But as of right now I have no reason to

[uneven wave]

The only reason we know that there are actual artists behind this work is because of the backlash which was given to them meaning that they didn't initially want many people to actually be aware of this which further indicates that this was an attempt to check if people are okay with this stuff so that they can further incorporate it wherever possible

Also again the strikes

Have you read the documents containing the deals they were trying to make and the counter offers and such?

[worldly pike]

What? The artists were credited in the first episode. I understand your previous points but you’re just reaching for straws to attack them now. We have no reason to believe that they were only credited or that we’re only aware that artists were involved solely due to backlash

[silk radish]

If I may add something
I completely agree BUT I believe that AI can be used as an extra tool for the artists if they want to (if its what they invisioned and Fits with the theme or message of the show/movie). But AI should NOT replace the artists because that would be unfair and take away many jobs in the industry. There should be limits in what degree AI can be used. This is also one of the reasons for the writers strike (I can be wrong ofc )

[worldly pike]

Deals and counteroffers for what? Incorporating more AI art?

Or is it about something else entirely?

[uneven wave]

Of course they were credited but they know most people do not read the credits fully. If you as a company want to set a "good" precedent with AI usage you'd expect that they'd prepare the audience so that they know that this is something they're doing but that they're doing it with a good precedent. When you don't it just kind of seems like you were testing your waters and have something ready in case of backlash which doesn't make you look morally corrupt

[river marten]

It gives the feeling of distrust not knowing who is real

[worldly pike]

I can’t comment because I’m not the executives. Do we need to be briefed on every new art medium that studios plan to use? They did their due diligence, attacking them because they didn’t make an announcement on their usage of AI art just seems like you’re desperately grasping at straws as to why it’s bad. Everybody’s fine, nobody was hurt. You can put down your pitchfork.

[silk radish]

Which the show itself does a poor job at
So the intro doesnt work

[uneven wave]

Writers/actors have already seen that producers are trying to incorporate AI within their fields and have already seen it happen. Because of this they added several rules restricting AI within the new agreement they currently want.
Execs have rejected

[river marten]

That is your opinion in my opinion the show was good

[uneven wave]

When it's something which sets an incredibly bad precedent, definitely right now yes I think they should give some information it's happening beforehand

[worldly pike]

But that doesn’t affect this instance of AI, this is the best case scenario for AI art going forward. This is a scenario where nobody loses.

[silk radish]

Was it obvious to you who was or wasn't a skrull?

[worldly pike]

And no bad precedent was set in this case, I don’t know how many times I have to reiterate the same point.

[uneven wave]

I think there was

[worldly pike]

One of the main reasons AI art is receiving backlash is fear that it takes away jobs from artists/steals content from artists. In this case the exact opposite happened. If that’s not a good precedent, I honestly don’t know what to tell you

[uneven wave]

It shows that their intentions concerning AI are in fact harmful and will likely evolve into something negative in the future which makes the hypotheticals which evolve from this instance an extremely fair thing to consider.

[eager inlet]

I'm not understanding this point - it's always been a standard for people to be credited in the credits, there's no precedent for any additional crediting elsewhere just because they're trying to mitigate backlash

[worldly pike]

And the hypotheticals have merit, but scenarios like this show that the future for AI art doesn’t have to be bleak. Everybody remained fair, nothing was out of line. If something does happen in the future and Marvel/Disney we’re to blame, I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong, but nothing like that has happened and this case helps put your fears to rest

[worldly pike]

Exactly lmao

[uneven wave]

It's because the precedent itself was different before the initial backlash. It is only after the backlash that they decided to make the fact that people work on this far more clear

[uneven wave]

Have you considered that nothing has happened possibly because of the backlash this time, showing that the backlash is important?

[worldly pike]

They were included in the credits which is standard, they don’t have to preemptively state to the public that they had artists working on the AI art just because they were scared of the possibility they would receive backlash

[uneven wave]

When you incorporate something like this I think that is important because the message you send is very different depending on how clear it is that real artists still worked on it.

[eager inlet]

I don't see why there was such an express need to share the credits so widely in advance - the designers involved were credited in the exact same manner as other designers who have worked on other intros have been credited

[uneven wave]

Because of this @eager inlet

[worldly pike]

They were credited before the backlash, what more do you want? The backlash didn’t make them retroactively add the artists names into the credit sequence, that was planned from the beginning.

[uneven wave]

In this specific instance the clarity of the situation changes what message you send out to other companies, to people etc.

[uneven wave]

For them to make very clear from the beginning, not just in the credits that they still had as many artists working on it as always, because not doing that sends out a entirely different message as they did now, definitely during a strike.

[eager inlet]

I feel like this message comes from a rather specific perspective, such that AI art is a negative thing. Even though this is a widespread opinion, I don't see why everybody needs to acknowledge this opinion when handling the topic, especially when it's not even against the argument that this opinion is making

[worldly pike]

If a studio uses AI art then it’s wrong because they probably didn’t incorporate artists,
if it’s revealed that they incorporated artists then it’s wrong because it was done in bad faith,
if it turns out that it sets a good precedence then it’s wrong because it was only done out of fear of backlash,
if they had no fear of backlash then it’s wrong because they’re starting a slippery slope for AI going forward. You’re grasping at straws to create an issue where there currently is none.

[uneven wave]

Is it not a negative thing then?

[worldly pike]

In this case, no

[eager inlet]

imo (opinion here) preemptively establishing safeguards for backlash almost creates a sense of not being confident about their own work

[uneven wave]

Or it instantly sets the right precedent. Now it just looks like they were testing waters and decided to clear up the situation only when they noticed it caused severe backlash

Which might actually be the case considering it's Disney

[eager inlet]

they're treating the process of AI art humanely, with appropriate and expected credits - and they receive backlash from the community who didn't read the info that the studio had already made readily available, and this backlash only subsided when the studio had to reiterate the info even though they had already made it available

in my mind, the studio didn't do anything wrong here

I wouldn't go so far to say that the community did a bad job either, but I don't feel like blaming the studio is the correct course

[uneven wave]

They know that most people don't read credits, and even if you actively try reading them they move at quite a fast pace meaning you never get to properly read most of it. This info is available to people sure but it's fairly hard to actually obtain which they know.

In instances like this it's important that people do know and that this information is very clearly displayed in order to not cause extreme confusion and instantly send out the right message

[worldly pike]

They’re still not at fault tho, they handled the situation correctly and everyone was treated fairly in the process. They’re not in the wrong because “the credits move at a fast pace.”

[eager inlet]

to me, that's the fault of the community - the info is right there and if people are looking for it (which, with all the effort people have put into complaining, they most definitely could have focused towards reading a few minutes of credits

my personal opinion here is that it's stupid to blame the studio for not being more accommodating to the community when the studio is fulfilling their job reasonably adequately and the community are the ones being ignorant to the information provided

[worldly pike]

And this is honestly a scenario that helps keep people’s fears about AI art at bay. This shows that artists and art directors can still be heavily involved in the process and properly credited in creating AI art for major studios.

[uneven wave]

Companies know their community though which means when you do things like this where clarity is of utmost importance you should adapt to that community.

[eager inlet]

To be fair, I do agree that if the studio were more forthcoming earlier, then the whole commotion would have been resolved quicker. HOWEVER, I don't feel like that the studio was under any serious obligation to do so, because they had fulfilled all that was reasonably expected for them to do, and this commotion only occured because the community was being ignorant towards that

the studio totally could have accommodated more, but not doing anything further isn't to the fault of the studio

credit to the studio if they did do more, but again, I find it stupid to blame the studio for not going further than what was reasonably expected

[uneven wave]

When you have a community which already barely sticks around for the credits, and you know that the credits are hard to read meaning that even those who do it could easily miss something you should adapt to that community and make sure you clear up the situation before something negative comes of it.

They're business people, they know all of this so when they don't do those things they very much make it look like they were genuinely testing their waters as to how open people are to AI before probably incorporating it more later on.

[eager inlet]

I don't disagree about them wanting to test the waters, it seems pretty clear that every company is rather interested in seeing how AI can be incorporated, and audience response is one of the factors for the entertainment industry

But I don't believe that the studio putting forward a completely reasonable and expected amount of information (ie the credits) is something that should be interpreted as malintent

my (opinionated) perspect here is that the expectation of malintent likely stems from a preconceived and predetermined notion that these studios are approaching these situations with malintent, and any action they take (or lack thereof) is just confirmation towards this

(and to be completely fair, this is my own opinion that stems from a more positive outlook towards AI, but I still feel like it should be discussed that our perceptions are going to be very skewed by our preconceived perspectives towards AI)

The objective pieces of information here, however, is that the studio provided credits towards the artists involved in the title sequence, as they do with every title sequence. They haven't deviated from the norm, neither positively nor negatively.

[uneven wave]

With our knowledge of how these companies as well as the knowledge that we have gained mostly through the strike can you deny that it's likely that their intent with this technology is malintent.

[eager inlet]

I feel like that when there's a scenario such as this one, where the studio hasn't acted at all abnormally, while malintent may exist in some places, it's most certainly not the only driving motivation

I feel like there's most certainly very valid reasons to be concerned (such as the instances being brought to like via the strikes), but that an entirely pessimistic perspective is also a very narrow-sighted approach

If we're unwilling to consider positive approaches to this AI technology, then it's never going to ever reach a place where it can truly be recognised and used for its positive effects

I'm entering into the world of the software industry so perhaps my perspective on new technologies is different to others, but I feel that presuming malintent at every instance is going to make it eventually impossible for this technology to find its footing postively

[uneven wave]

If they do want to positively incorporate it I think it's very important that there's as much clarity as possible going forward. I get that the artists were in the credits but as previously established sometimes that's just not enough when your community is this large and varied. If they want people to open up to this they'll have to be very clear what their intentions are and when they're using it before possible backlash otherwise I perfectly understand the most pecimistic view as we know through many instances that these companies often don't work with the artists well being in mind.

[uneven wave]

Can you blame people when all these companies ever do is fuck their artists over again and again. When the CEO has literally stated that strikes are arrogant and that strikers ask too much.

[eager inlet]

More transparency is most certainly fair, but I feel like there needs to be some trust established - both ways - because if both the studios and community are at each others throats unless extra effort is put in, then eventually it'll ripple into a system that could be potentially taxing and limiting towards opportunities

^ that's certainly a bit more philosophical (which i'm not at all qualified to really discuss) but I feel that some balance needs to be struck that isn't just the companies bending over backwards - there's got to be some trust and optimism established in the community as well

[eager inlet]

that's a fair point, and the companies aren't doing well for PR on that front - but that's also then starting to edge into a topic which i'm hardly qualified to discuss with actual depth

[uneven wave]

I agree that trust is necessary but I believe that the companies and executives need to be the one to take the first steps as they're primarily the reason that this trust is so weak to begin with.

[eager inlet]

It's a closed loop, both sides distrusting the other just spirals recusively

these companies and execs taking this first step only also works if the community approaches more open-mindedly and not with their minds already made up

because, circling this back around to Secret Invasion, even if the studio was very forthcoming and transparent about the use of AI, there's still a very significant opposing front against any AI regardless of how much people are trying to make it fair and reasonable

[pliant canyon]

Because AI-generated images plagiarize people's work. AI image-generators basically copy-paste patterns pixels from images online, including fan art, to make new images.

[sweet galleon]

no

i do not

you people disappoint me

[cunning hawk]

That’s fair, I guess for me it’s just disheartening to see things that could be creative replaced with AI art because it’s so soulless

[cunning hawk]

Exactly!!

[mystic remnant]

I think that was the point tho

[pliant canyon]

💯 ^

[fresh thistle]

Sup

Huh I thought this chat would be deleted by now lol

[eternal hawk]

Im still 50/50 on this. I think it shouldnt be used too much in the future for art (like movies, music etc..) but I think it fits pretty good for a show like this. Would actually work perfectly for a movie about an AI uprising. But I also think many people are being too whiny abt this. It's an intro. If an intro is bad then it wont be remembered however if it manages to do what secret invasions intro did (cause drama abt the future) then it will also be remembered, heck probably Even more than just good intros. Oh I got off track. Well I think some people whine too much abt this. I truly dont think there will be too much use of AI given how much of a shitshow this went into. Seriously tho I think you should express your opinion on how something is bad and how they need to change it, but holding unto something like this for more than a few weeks? If enough people say its bad then companies will be careful to use it in the future. Which happened with secret invasion. People who still hold unto this need to move on. If companies use it in the future again then yes! Go at it be mad and tell them abt it. But this is over now so dont cling unto it

[worldly pike]

But in this scenario both artists and art directors had a heavy hand in the creative process, were compensated, and were credited in the end credits. Nobody operated in bad faith, nothing was wrong here: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/secret-invasion-ai-opening-1235521299/

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/21/marvel-secret-invasion-ai-art-opening-credits/amp/

It was still very much a creative process.

[quiet lichen]

💯💯💯💯

[quiet lichen]

YES! especially for a billion dollar company.

[quiet lichen]

YES!

[quiet lichen]

A lot of people just do not think beyond what they see.

[tardy matrix]

Unfortunately

[obsidian hinge]

I mean.. they DID pay artist. They paid artists and those artists decided to use AI as a tool

[sweet galleon]

artists they say

[obsidian hinge]

Yeah they hired artists and the artists decided to use AI as a tool to create an otherworldly feel for the intro that can’t be easily replicated by a human