Which universe's design is your favourite?

[cosmic fern]

mumbattan is cool

[scarlet halo]

2099

[cosmic fern]

thats all I have to say

[elder rock]

2099 is very cool

[steady storm]

Mumbattan was just..... vibe man

Loved it

[lime osprey]

Lol

Wow

You can't reply to @brittle flower

Weird

[plucky wraith]

Real answer is spider punk

[viral rampart]

Maybe when people say chai tea, chai could be a traditional word for tea, so tea tea as in traditional tea

As in Indian traditional tea

[oak valve]

That’s what I was gonna say because it did show it and it was so cool

[drowsy echo]

they did justice to indian spidey

but i can't get over how good miguel's redesign is

[simple oar]

Mumbhattan had the coolest design

[drowsy echo]

he got a glow up since the last movie

[simple oar]

But also I love Earth-65, where everything is trans colored and Gwen Stacy is trans and Peter Parker is also trans and Aunt May is probably trans

[drowsy echo]

peter is trans in that universe?

[simple oar]

And Captain Stacy is transphobic (cop moment)

[simple oar]

Idk maybe lol

It's moreso just a lil headcanon

[drowsy echo]

alright

[sand cargo]

bro had the trans flag above his badge but ok

[simple oar]

Tho Earth-65 Gwen trans is a hill I will die on

Oh shit he did?

[drowsy echo]

yeah

his girl is a trans supporter why wouldn't he be

[spring wigeon]

to be fair that's not an uncommon situation

[drowsy echo]

maybe

[spring wigeon]

i have more than a couple friends who could support that sentiment

[simple oar]

Idk it's just that he's a cop and cops usually... yknow...

[plush dragon]

I like futuristic stuff

[desert sedge]

FUCK I can’t pick

I just picked mumbattan bc it felt the most unique to me

But like I love ALL of them

[desert sedge]

Well yeah but this is a fictional work and they don’t have to be yk

But regardless

LOVE the design of all of them

I am so happy they redesigned spiderman India’s suit to not just be peter’s suit but with a bangle/baggy pants like it was in the comics

[cosmic fern]

daddy prabharker

[boreal pollen]

Earth 67

[silver fable]

but did he ever do anything remotely transphobic?

sorry thats a bit random i just want to see where you get the idea from

[silver fable]

also on this, dont take this as me trying to argue, just a question, but where does this headcanon even come from? i get that theres the flag and everything, but thats basically all, and the "trans colors" are just gwen stacy's universe/suit colors, and they have been since the characters existence, not trying to argue, just asking.

[craggy pine]

Mumbattan was so cool and just a vibe overall

[glacial bone]

I liked how spider-gwen's earth had the colors constantly popping out in the background, it was beautiful

[pliant creek]

Really beautiful

[simple oar]

She's got a very queer-coded story

[silver fable]

i mean thats pretty vague

she is basically a tomboy id say

[simple oar]

Her arc in the movie is about having a secret double life where she goes by a different name and dresses up differently, and trying to get her father to accept her for it.

[prisma compass]

That’s just every Spider-Man story though…

[silver fable]

to me thats just spider-man characters in general

[simple oar]

I mean yeah but the way it's presented feels especially queer in a way that other spidey stories haven't

Idk

It might just be a thing that only queer people will get/pick up on

[silver fable]

ill see if my trans friend says the same

i dont want to come off rude but i really think its definitely pushing it

i can respect headcanon but i dont really see the application for this one

[silver fable]

also could you respond to this? of course you dont have to im just curious

[pliant creek]

Wow thats quite the stereotype. I mean not all cops are these mean and bad folks

[scarlet halo]

Lemme get nitro

Gaymer gwurl

[silver fable]

yeah

and it worries me because a stereotype starts at a small scale

generalizing

which could lead to worse stereotypes

saying that all cops are transphobic is not only wrong, but also just not a good thing to say

im not trying to completely get into this area of conversation i just think breadshot is saying some questionable things

[simple oar]

All cops are dirty fascists

[silver fable]

crazy

satire or not have some respect though

[desert sedge]

I get the whole “all cops are dirt bags” notion for real life bc sure there’s alot bad stuff irl but I don’t think that in such a positive fictional story where the cop in this case is Gwen’s father who isn’t really like a bad person or anything has to be that

Like she was only like

|| Bad to her because she revealed herself to be the one person that he’s been basically hunting down for years || movie spoilers

WAIT SPOILERS ERM

[silver fable]

it never even makes sense to generalize in general

generalization leads to bigger and bigger generalization

[desert sedge]

I’m aware but I am saying I understand it

In this specific case

[simple oar]

You couldn't get me to have some respect for cops if you put a gun to my head

[desert sedge]

😭Dawg I’m aware as to how generalization works

[simple oar]

Or more realistically, if a cop put a gun to my head

[silver fable]

im aware, just saying my opinion, i assumed you understood

[desert sedge]

Yeah I get wym

[silver fable]

ive just never understood hating all cops

personally

[simple oar]

Tho that'd be considered giving me a warning, and cops never do that before they blow innocent peoples brains out

[silver fable]

crazy

not really sure how youve made it to this point in life

as in

i was trying to be sort of kind or understanding

but i cant really do that

ill still try

but damn

especially crazy to think of it like that in fiction

[simple oar]

Because I decided to stop taking propaganda at face value, and also I actually pay attention to world events

[silver fable]

does that mean that if someone of a specific race is racist, then that entire race is racist? i see a lot of people also stating that all white people are inherently racist, so im curious to see what you think of that. sorry if im getting too far into this but you are just kind of shocking me, even though you shouldnt be, as many people have these same opinions, i should be used to it.

[simple oar]

Okayyy you can't compare a career choice to a skin color that's gross

[silver fable]

what.

[simple oar]

Yall realize people choose to be cops right

[silver fable]

breadshot, what.

[simple oar]

Like race and gender and stuff aren't stuff you choose

[silver fable]

reread what i said

[simple oar]

You're saying generalizing cops for being cops is the same as generalizing people of certain races

That's not the same thing in the slightest

[silver fable]

being racist is a choice, being a cop is a choice

you get what im saying?

[simple oar]

Yeah!

Being a cop is a racist choice

[silver fable]

what if it just so happens that a cop isnt racist?

will your entire world collapse in front of oyu?

will it all crumble?

is it not how the timeline is supposed to go?

[simple oar]

Then they're knowingly participating in a system that perpetuates systemic oppression?

[modern grove]

Not all cops are racist. Most of them are not

[silver fable]

thank you

[silver fable]

okay, id like you to delve into this

[modern grove]

Saying so just make you look silly

[silver fable]

what part of it perpetuates systemic oppression, and what if the individual cop is a great person?

[simple oar]

Idk man I'm just gonna go, I'm bored. If u wanna understand more about this just read some articles and do some research lol

[desert sedge]

Oh jeez

[silver fable]

most articles probably agree with me breadshot

i dont know what youre reading

[desert sedge]

Cop arguments in the spiderverse poll chat

[silver fable]

yeah

[simple oar]

Yeah man I have things I gotta do today and I've spent like 15 minutes doing this

[silver fable]

okay, thank you for not explaining anything

[simple oar]

Sooo I'm just gonna dip

[silver fable]

have fun

reading some articles

some unknown articles

[simple oar]

No problem 😘🥰

[silver fable]

maybe you handwrote the articles honestly

my best guess

anyways

hopefully it is understandable why i called her out

i dont want to make it look like i brought it up for no reason

calling all cops racists, fascists, and transphobes is just crazy

i dont really think that should be a thing that is just excused

basically i couldnt just sit there and not say anything

hopefully thats understandable

[buoyant blaze]

Cause

[maiden gulch]

I just love the way Gwen’s world is animated it’s so beautiful

[rain raven]

But what your saying about cops isn’t “world events” your just listing uncommon stereotypes that don’t even apply to all cops

[primal marsh]

Acab tbh, Cops, even good ones, participate in a system which is overwhelmingly fucked up, if you're part of it you either cave to the systems biggotry or are killed for trying to change it, theres no winning which is why acab

[rain raven]

But “all cops being transphobs” and any other phobia doesn’t apply to all cops, it’s just stereotypes on police

[silver fable]

i do not see how this means that every cop is racist, it cannot be a correlation considering the fact that some cops genuinely want to make a difference, and most cops are not racist, most cops are not transphobic, most cops are not fascists, look at it on an individual level, and somehow tell me that each and every one of them is racist, even if you believe that the system itself is, that doesnt mean that all involved are racist.

[timber pilot]

Colr

Color

[silver fable]

dont call the cops racist, call the system racist, if you really believe that it is, dont go after the individuals

[timber pilot]

Yum

[primal marsh]

Cause they're contributing to a racist system, there's not an individual level cause the actual system is inherantly racist, if you're a cop and you're employed by a police force, you're part of the problem

[silver fable]

there is an individual level to every single thing, and it is not a debatable fact.

[primal marsh]

There's no individual, you can't be excused when your co-workers are racist and you refuse to call them out

[timber pilot]

How would individuals change an entire system? I suppose they can fight for change but I've never seen any fight.

[silver fable]

so if you dont help every single second of the time, you are racist?

[rain raven]

Cops are used for emergencies and contribute to some well being of earth, not every single one is racist or fits your specific stereotypes

[primal marsh]

Yes, especially if you're being put in a position of power over an average citizen

[silver fable]

okay, elaborate on this

how is it racist to not take action every second of your life?

does that mean im racist if im not donating to specific organizations?

[primal marsh]

If you're employed to help civilians, and your co workers are openly part of the fucking KKK and you're fine with that and don't say anything then you're part of the problem

[rain raven]

Once again, there not used as a “powerful force” they are for emergencies and people that need help. There not all just racist and hateful towards people

[silver fable]

thats an insane analogy

i make big analogies but damn

[timber pilot]

Real

[silver fable]

the kkk doesnt help anyone

[primal marsh]

This isn't an analogy, the cops have a significany number as part of the KKK

[silver fable]

cops do something to help, the kkk doesnt do anythign helpful

and the kkk is knowingly racist, everyone knows it is

not everyone thinks that the police system is racist

but everyone with common sense thinks that the kkk is

[primal marsh]

You ignored the fact that there's a significant crossover with members of Police and members of the KKK

[rain raven]

Where did you even get that from, not even a huge percent of cops contribute to racism and other issues. And the KKK is just bad overall? Once again, most cops help people

[silver fable]

study?

i often make the mistake of just letting people say stuff without asking for a study, so im doing it this time

[primal marsh]

I'll find it now

[timber pilot]

Why are we here anyways this js spider man

[silver fable]

if you are going to talk statistics, we need studies

[silver fable]

it started with calling out someone saying that all cops are transphobic racists

i cant just sit aroudn and look at that

i had to say something

[primal marsh]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28410303
https://forthe.org/journalism/kkk-lbpd-history/
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10612-020-09493-6
https://blacksportsonline.com/2021/12/army-vet-joseph-moore-on-working-as-an-fbi-informant-to-expose-the-ties-between-the-ku-klux-klan-and-local-law-enforcement/

4 different sources

[timber pilot]

How is this related to fictional worlds😭 Gwen's dad!?

[silver fable]

these all only have about 2 or 3 cops involved

how does this show a "strong link"

[primal marsh]

Did you fucking read them that fast??

You skimmed that shit, actually read it

[silver fable]

its not hard to read the number of cops leona

[rain raven]

The headline only mentions a small numbers of cops 💀

[primal marsh]

Damn, I too can pick and choose stuff I want to pay attention too

[silver fable]

very evidently

i can see that

you pay attention to the big words "association"

you dont pay attention to the numbers

the cops involved

the amount of them

[primal marsh]

So you're fine with cops being part of the KKK as long as they're not the majority?

Any amount is too many

[rain raven]

Bro

[silver fable]

leona, what

[rain raven]

There’s no way of conveying everyone

[silver fable]

you cant get everyone to not be racist

it literally is not possible

there will alwasy be racists

[primal marsh]

Then they can die, not my problem

Kill racists imo

[silver fable]

there is a 100% chance that some firefighters are in the kkk

[rain raven]

That just throws off your entire bull shit claim?

[silver fable]

okay, but that doesnt mean all cops are racists

you didnt say anything even remotely showing that

[silver fable]

and medical workers

[primal marsh]

It means they're allowing a fundimentally fucked system

[rain raven]

Ano literally any other profession

[silver fable]

okay, go into why it is a fucked system, you havent said anything about that yet

[rain raven]

You can’t physically convert everyone to being non racist

[silver fable]

id like to see what you have to say

[primal marsh]

So we should just be fine with racists?

[silver fable]

how are we fine with it just because we are aware that they exist

its just being realistic leona

[rain raven]

No, but there’s nothing you can do to change them, and they will always exist no matter what

[silver fable]

we arent going to be incredibly idealistic

[rain raven]

Just use your head mate

[primal marsh]

That's pathetic imo

[timber pilot]

I mean it is but that doesn't mean every cop is bad lol. The system is screwed...

[silver fable]

how is it pathetic to use your brain?

[silver fable]

i can understand thinking this sort of, but leona hasnt explained why

[primal marsh]

it's fine cause it's not everyone, if 1 racist's allowed in a position of power over regular people then the entire system is flawed

[timber pilot]

Spider-man!!!!

[silver fable]

it isnt fine, but it is how it is going to be

[timber pilot]

SPIDER-MAN!!!!

[silver fable]

if i could transfer everyone into a non racist, i would do it without hesitation

and you know that

[primal marsh]

For the sake of this chat, dm me if you wanna continue this cause this isn't the place realistically

[rain raven]

I mean, the world would be better without racists, but just to say all cops are “racist” or “are included in the kkk” makes no sense if your aware you can’t do anything and no matter what you try to do, they will still exist

[silver fable]

okay, i gladly will if trenko is up for it

i want to get to the depth of these beliefs

[rain raven]

I’m down, I think you learned enough

Make the dm ig

[silver fable]

so gc?

okay

probably will have to add

also leona know that i dont really have anythign against you

i just want to talk about this

its interesting to see these viewpoints

im not one of those people who debates from hatred

just thought id mention that

[primal marsh]

Like I said, DM me about it, I'll collect some articles and properly articulate what Im sayin cause this servers supposed to not orient too much politically

[silver fable]

alright

[rain raven]

Ok

[silver fable]

is a gc fine?

[primal marsh]

Sure

[night sierra]

Earth-1610

[pliant creek]

Wow so now cops shouldnt exist? Guess the criminals are gonna like that.

[primal plover]

Apparently laws are oppressive 😭 where did this conversation spawn from

Bro said let's talk about the political and economic state of the world

btw I'm surprised earth 42 is down so low, seeing as it's like an evil version of 1610 it's really interesting

[wooden swallow]

Uh, let's move the political talk elsewhere from the server

Anyways my pick is 65, it's just so visually stunning

[silver fable]

yeah we ended up moving it to dms, i saw breadshot say something about all cops being transphobic so i had to say something, sorry about the mess that has been created due to it

[slate flume]

I liked earth-65's watercolor style

[night sierra]

Yeah, Earth-42 is very interesting.