#Andor - Season 2 Trailer Discussion
polar oxide
drifting dagger
Definitely looking more action-packed than season 1
narrow ridge
That music
Just, really good hype music for it, even if it’s not something in-universe. They’re gonna knock it out the park with something like Niamos! again, almost definitely
dark arrow
Okay, not the vibe I associated with S1. I will continue to watch this with great interest.
rotund wadi
I stopped be being excited for new thing after feeling so let down in 1999, but Andor S1 pushed that boundary and S2 has been no different
steep fog
All Aboard
chrome quest
Okay, *not* the vibe I associated with S1. I will continue to watch this with gr...
I wonder if they felt "super-dark gritty vibes" wasn't what was needed given the last six-ish months of political events
Might've been aiming for something more positive, like "season one was about how fascist governments grind you to dust under their heel, so this season will be about getting out from under that heel when everything feels hopeless"
narrow ridge
Yeah, it’s specifically “early-2000s anti-Iraq War music”
Also, the artist is a socialist, which is. Considering we got the Space Communist Manifesto with Nemik in season 1, on brand
drifting dagger
IIRC the writers said that they based the political climate in the story on the Trump era
The first one at least >.>
So this is resonating even better now
dark arrow
maybe Trump being voted in for a second term was all just a big marketing ploy and he'll abdicate once S2 is out so the US election can be repeated?
chrome quest
delulu hours
heavy lagoon
Now THAT is a trailer
heavy lagoon
So... Where will the show end, emotionally?
Andor has to be in a pretty bad place, emotionally speaking, to connect to Rogue One, where he finds a way out of the hole.
What about Deadra and Luthen?
Will Deadra foresee that the Empire is about to be taken down? She's been pretty accurate with her assessments in s1, IIRC.
drifting dagger
Dedra already had a brush with death on Ferrix
leaden star
He's casually blowing up buildings, so we're talking learning to live with collateral damage up to the point where -- despite being obvious sickened by the act -- he murders the informant he was bullying at the start of Rogue One when he realises it's the only way to avoid capture and interrogation.
Realistically I think he's going to lose Bix in the 2nd or third arc. Either involuntarily because of the Imperials we see getting handy with the Ferrix escapees or because he realises its neccesary to completely cut ties with his past
heavy lagoon
Dedra already had a brush with death on Ferrix
yup, yup
will she see the death star before it's revealed to the galaxy, and realize its implications? the response it will generate from the public?
dark arrow
I imagine the ISB will have more to do with it. Meaning of course ||Jung is going to be exposed before he can leak the information, otherwise Rogue One doesn't work.||
heavy lagoon
I like the idea of some smart people in the empire foreseeing how badly this could all go, and not being listened to.
steep fog
I suspect Daedra's not going to change, which I am comfortable with
heavy lagoon
Oh, I mean that she sees that the death star will solidify the opposition, not quell it.
But the people in power don't listen, because the DS is Sheev's pet project.
steep fog
Ah I get you. Yeah, it'll be interesting if that's the case.
dark arrow
But the people in power don't listen, because the DS is Sheev's pet project.
and because presumably her own reputation is in tatters after Ferrix.
heavy lagoon
I wonder if the show would be bold enough to go even further with the Imperial misogyny and depict how her (perceived) failure there is used as justification for a bit of a purge that leaves us with the boys club from the OT.
drifting dagger
Ah, yes, the NhM policy becoming canon XD
vale panther
Did anyone notice how the troopers in one scene of the trailer look very similar to CompForce?
drifting dagger
CompForce?
What troopers
Oh, you mean the ones that aren't wearing helmets, in the clip with the bald guy?
narrow ridge
Ye
I was thinking at first they might be the initial testing bed for Krennic’s Death Troopers, but. Yeah, that’s almost certainly ISB’s foot soldiers
drifting dagger
Could be, yeah
leaden star
I imagine the ISB will have more to do with it. Meaning of course ||Jung is goin...
I need to watch R1 again
leaden star
But it's interesting they're bringing Krennic back and having Mothma interacting with him
chrome quest
I mean, I love it
I want more Krennic
I NEED more Krennic
He was the only character from Rogue One other than K2 that had an actual personality
steep fog
I will say it's good to see (touchwood) the fantasy being universally hyped for this
foggy jasper
ah very good
is this a new TIE, or an -Interceptor/-Advanced? never been terribly interested in TIE fighters
foggy jasper
👍
steep fog
Overthinking it, I suspect it's likely a prototype for the TIE Striker, as it looks very CAS heavy
idle salmon
https://youtu.be/AE4wxt70aUM?si=o_shZa92afFXFFgK
drifting dagger
It really shows how much Abrams is just a fucking hack who barely knows anything about Star Wars
Or filmmaking and storytelling in general
chrome quest
I personally think JJ Abrams knows a great deal about filmmaking
And it's not that he doesn't know anything about Star Wars, it's that he doesn't view it as some sacred cow. Which, coincidentally, is how Tony Gilroy views Star Wars too
drifting dagger
I've heard tales he didn't want to give Rey a double-bladed lightsaber (despite her weapon of choice on Jakku being a staff) becasue it's a "bad guy weapon"
So I'll take that with ag rain of salt
chrome quest
Abrams whole philosophy with Star Trek AND Star Wars seemed to be "I'm not going to let the lore dictate what story I want to tell in this universe"
Which is also how Gilroy approached Andor
chrome quest
I've heard tales he didn't want to give Rey a double-bladed lightsaber (despite ...
Well, don't believe everything you hear
Lucas had some absurdly dumb reasons for the decisions he made in the OT and PT
foggy jasper
having the attitude of "the lore doesnt matter to the story i want to tell" is not something that would endear me to a filmmaker had i been told beforehand
You dont have to have slavish devotion to lore, but that sounds a bit close to "lmao, i du wot i want, nerds"
chrome quest
George Lucas once saw a statue of Darth Talon and stuck it next to a statue of Darth Maul and declared they were going to be co-villains in a then-upcoming LucasArts game because they were both red with tattoos. One of the devs told him Maul and Talon lived 1,000 years apart and he was like "Don't care, they're friends"
chrome quest
having the attitude of "the lore doesnt matter to the story i want to tell" is n...
There's a difference between "the lore doesn't matter" and not letting the lore box in what stories you can tell
foggy jasper
Im not 5, i know. But "the lore" is a very expansive term and kinda by definition somewhat dictates the story you tell if only in the form of boundaries
chrome quest
Too many execs and creators not realizing the latter is why for decades the franchise has been unable to move beyond the same tired variations of galactic fascist regimes with giant superweapons vs. plucky guerillas
drifting dagger
The fandom can also apply there
Look what happens whenever a show tries to do something new with the lore.
chrome quest
There's a sizable subset of the fandom that doesn't actually want anything new, because new is scary and different. They just want to be reminded of their childhoods forever because that's when they stopped maturing emotionally 
They grew up with something and made it part of their identity, so now anything related to it that isn't exactly like that is taken as an attack against that self-identity
drifting dagger
Like, the Star Wars fandom lately can be summed up with that one "Don't mess with X fans. We don't know our own lore"
drifting dagger
Cuz I remember one of the more idiotic complaints about The Acolyte (among a great many idiotic complaints) was accusations that they were trying to "rename the Force" because the witches called it "the Thread"
Ignoring how the Force has had multiple names around the franchise
foggy jasper
lmao thats gotta be from some people wiht a very narrow experience with Star Wars
drifting dagger
SEriously
Because the Nightsisters call it "Magick", the Zeffo call it the Life Wind
Hell the Wookieepedia page has a whole paragraph full of its alternate names
It was called the Ashla by the Lasats, the Life Current by the Mustafarians, the Tide by the Lew'elans, the Sight by the Chiss, the Life Wind by the Zeffonians, the Great Presence by the Pathfinders of the Chaos, the Luminous Mist by the Mist-Weavers, the Unity by the Sorcerers of Tund, the Beyond by the Magys and her people, the Thread by the Brendok coven of witches, the Road of All Moons by the exogorths or simply It by the dianoga Omi. On Metagos it was known as the the Web.
idle salmon
There's a sizable subset of the fandom that doesn't actually want anything new, ...
wants to be reminded of childhood
complains when movie is retread of movie you liked
leaden star
Reminded is not reliving
Which of course is how you decide to effectively base your DC cinematic universe on the work of notable family friendly creator Frank Miller
heavy lagoon
"the lore" was that Vader had killed Luke's father
"the lore" was that Jabba was a human
heavy lagoon
I've heard tales he didn't want to give Rey a double-bladed lightsaber (despite ...
to 99% of the audience, SW is the movies
and the only time we see a double-bladed saber in the movies, it's wielded by a bad guy
If something approximating the sentiment you expressed there is true, I bet that is the (correct!) thinking behind it
heavy lagoon
Lucas had some absurdly dumb reasons for the decisions he made in the OT and PT
"man, this divorce is costing me a ton of money, better make some movies again"
drifting dagger
Apparently that is Ghorman that's the city planet with the protest
nvm
leaden star
Three eps a week. That's essentially a star wars movie every week for 4 weeks
dark arrow
But what's after these 4 weeks?
Ugh, I already know I'm going to miss the slow roll-out of S1.
I get why they're doing it after the season 1 "too slow" moaning, but I really loved the forum activity here, exchanging theories and commiserating.
dark arrow
Also, will there be 9 hour AMCA episodes?
leaden star
yeah, I prefer the weekly schedule
Same. I hate the binge release model
heavy lagoon
Also, will there be 9 hour AMCA episodes?
It's so dumb.
Obviously podcasts, critics, etc can't cover individual episodes in the same depth as before.
heavy lagoon
I get why they're doing it after the season 1 "too slow" moaning, but I really l...
The people who thought it was slow would still have thought so if season 1 had released like that.
drifting dagger
Plus a lot of Star Wars fans have the attention spans of goldfish and the critical thinking skills of rocks
chrome quest
At the risk of being elitist, I think that's just kinda general audiences lol
drifting dagger
true
We do have a lot of girls named "Khaleesi" running around nowbecause people were too fucking stupid to remember the character's actual name
heavy lagoon
At the risk of being elitist, I think that's just kinda general audiences lol
Most people are not as invested in media as we are, yeah
We're the lunatic fringe
steep fog
Modern culture seems to be that way though sadly Stan.
Hopefully it'll get more praise for not being so 'slow' etc. as was levelled at Series 1, as I suspect the release schedule had a part to play in that too.
drifting dagger
That and a lot of it was intrigue and people standing and talking
Star Wars has a big problem where people don't like stuff if it's not pew pews and lightsabers a lot
heavy lagoon
Modern culture seems to be that way though sadly Stan.
Hopefully it'll get more...
don't know that this is a particularly modern sentiment
leaden star
Okay, who do we think other than those who have to appear in Rogue One will survive the series?
idle salmon
I get why they're doing it after the season 1 "too slow" moaning, but I really l...
tbh a decent chunk of the people saying it's too slow made up their mind already, if not on the "too slow" point then other things like "where are the aliens" or "there's no jedi"
the "Bricks" talking point is still pure comedy to me
drifting dagger
Really shows how idiotic most of those anti-Disney people are
foggy jasper
the "Bricks" talking point is still pure comedy to me
Huh?
idle salmon
It's part of a larger talking point about how Andor isn't Star Wars cause it doesn't immediately 100% conform to Star Wars visuals
drifting dagger
Yeah
It's happened with Andor, happened with Skeleton Crew, happened with Acolyte
idle salmon
Like one or two people really ragged on the bricks at some point like all buildings in all of Star Wars are the exact same Adobe structures or high tech Imperial bases
drifting dagger
You can't immediately recognize the eraor place something is from so it's "not Star Wars" because it doesn't fit the aesthetic that the movies constantly used
"Oh the High Republic robes look weird, this isn't Star Wars" or "How dare they have a suburban neighborhood on a planet, this isn't Star Wars"
idle salmon
the High Republic one bothers me so much
cause no shit
they are trying to portray a different era
and not like one with connective tissue to other eras
I.E. "hey that clone's helmet looks kinda like a stormtrooper helmet"
I will admit Star Wars suburbia was a bit jarring
but like
it's fine
drifting dagger
Really if anything the whole reaction to The Acolyte really showed that a lot of the Disney criticism isn't "This stuff is bad" but more "This particular aesthetic is not familiar to me and I hate it"
Along with the usual "anti-woke" bullshit
From the minute the first trailer came out people were shrieking about all the minorities, all the women, the kung fu stuff, mememememememe
Plus the review-bombing that came before every single episode and how everyone who hated it and said "No we don't hate it cuz we're racist, we hate it because of bad writing" when there was very little bad writing there and it was all either stylistic choices or them not fucking paying attention
Like, they're so determined to hate things they either don't pay attention, or just don't care
"Oh how could Reva know Vader's Anakin Skywalker" well obviously there's a reason but you say "bad writing" because you don't think and you want the answer immediately instead of plot
heavy lagoon
any time someone claims that the extremely negative reviews some shows get are organic, authentic audience reactions I just laugh and point at some random show or movie called The Acolyte that was review-bombed prior to the show's release
like, there is plenty to dislike or find fault with in pretty much any star war, be it show or movie or whatever, but the well has been utterly poisoned by fake criticism
drifting dagger
Yeeeeeeeep
Same thing that happened with Solo
It didn't bomb because it was a bad movie, it bombed because it came out months after Last Jedi and the fanbase was throwing a tantrum still
Because Last Jedi was a deconstruction and reconstruction of how Star Wars worked
chrome quest
Plus the review-bombing that came before every single episode and how everyone w...
its more like "we hate it bc of bad writing"
Well, how do you know its badly written if you claim you're not watching/boycotting it? Like it's so obviously bullshit I wish they'd just stop pretending lol
drifting dagger
Yep
chrome quest
It didn't bomb because it was a bad movie, it bombed because it came out months ...
I don't think it bombed bc of a tantrum so much as Star Wars fatigue had hit a peak
heavy lagoon
there wasn't any hook to it, IMO
heavy lagoon
what was the thing about it to get general audiences into the movie?
chrome quest
It was a movie no one really asked for that was like the 3rd SW movie in 18 months
When audiences are accustomed to SW movies being like "events" where they are trilogies that only come out "once a generation"
heavy lagoon
It was a movie no one really asked for that was like the 3rd SW movie in 18 mont...
most good or great movies aren't something anybody asks for
drifting dagger
Basically it was a Han Solo Origin story
heavy lagoon
Basically it was a Han Solo Origin story
this is nonsense to normal humans
chrome quest
most good or great movies aren't something anybody asks for
True, but most of them aren't prequels about fictional characters that are already dead, heh
chrome quest
this is nonsense to normal humans
Exactly. General audiences don't care how he got gold dice hanging from his rear view mirror bc general audiences never noticed the gold dice in the first place lol
They don't care how the Falcon got a weird computer/database bc they don't remember Threepio's throwaway line about it in the OT
heavy lagoon
True, but most of them aren't prequels about fictional characters that are alrea...
sometimes you get Solo, sometimes you get the Hannibal tv show
heavy lagoon
They don't care how the Falcon got a weird computer/database bc they don't remem...
I don't care
the more they focus on it, the stupider it gets
drifting dagger
It's the same sort of thing that happened with Lightyear, but Lightyear was even worse because of the stupid plot twist at the end
chrome quest
It doesn't help that the movie kills two of the most charismatic characters in the first 45 minutes lol
drifting dagger
Solo at least was more a story and had a lot of little references to things without making it all "HA! REFERENCE!"
heavy lagoon
trying to play the female robot as a real character so that it has weight when Lando is distraught at her "death", but also making her a joke about feminism
chrome quest
Solo at least was more a story and had a lot of little references to things with...
I actually thought the opposite, it felt like a film of nothing BUT "HA! REFERENCE!"s
Right down to Maul showing up at the end and igniting his lightsaber over a comlink call for no reason lol
chrome quest
trying to play the female robot as a real character so that it has weight when L...
Yeah, like making her an insufferable joke punching down at Feminism then expecting us to give a shit that she dies lol
Just some bizarre choices all around throughout that film
chrome quest
Like, why was it there
Shared Universe
Everything has to be setting up something else
2016-2017 was like the peak of that Hollywood strategy
drifting dagger
Like how right now it's "every TV show based on a popular property is in no way similar to the actual source material except visually"
"Because for some reason we keep hiring writers that want to use the setting to tell their own story"
And it ends up negativelya ffecting the final product
chrome quest
Back in 2016, Captain America Civil War had just came out and showed the economic/critical benefits of like weaving a story through tons of characters/films and bringing them all together into a summer tentpole event
chrome quest
"Because for some reason we keep hiring writers that want to use the setting to ...
I mean, this is kinda what happened with Andor lmao
heavy lagoon
"Because for some reason we keep hiring writers that want to use the setting to ...
those decisions aren't made by the writers
they only get to execute what is authorized
the people in charge listen to pitch after pitch after pitch, and then select one or more of them to be developed
drifting dagger
Nooooo, pretty sure, considering the writers for The Witcher have gone on record saying "Yeah we didn't like the source material so we changed it"
chrome quest
No one gave a shit about the mercenary director they brought in to ghostwrite/clean-up the mess that was Rogue One, or the character of Andor who was already dead, so they gave Tony Gilroy $100 million and let him fuck off to the Scottish Highlands to tell whatever story he wanted instead of what some comittee or algorithm thought would get high viewership numbers
drifting dagger
And Henry Cavill was found to be "annoying" for wanting it to follow the story of the books
heavy lagoon
Nooooo, pretty sure, considering the writers for The Witcher have gone on record...
if some writer working on a show does that without the showrunner signing off on it, they get rewritten and/or fired
and the showrunner has to run the material by the higher-ups
chrome quest
The director is always beholden to the producers. Always
And the producers are often out-of-touch or barely paying attention so it can be very hard to get them to make informed decisions for the sake of stuff like "art" or "narrative" or "creativity". At the end of the day, it's a business
heavy lagoon
No one gave a shit about the mercenary director they brought in to ghostwrite/cl...
He had pitched his take on an Andor show to Disney, but they thought it would be too expensive to make at the time. After trying to get some other takes off the ground, they looked at Gilroy's material again, and figured that with the tech advances they could do the show for a reasonable budget, so they called him up to pitch to them again.
drifting dagger
Mmmmmhm
chrome quest
He had pitched his take on an Andor show to Disney, but they thought it would be...
i wonder how he convinced them to let him shoot on location instead of shooting the whole thing in the Volume
heavy lagoon
i wonder how he convinced them to let him shoot on location instead of shooting ...
IIRC they do shoot a lot of stuff on the volume, too
chrome quest
Yeah, I meant, like, the whole thing, haha
heavy lagoon
I think he's one of the more experienced people running a show/movie, and someone with a take it or leave it attitude
100% the main reason the show looks so good isn't just that it likely has a budget high enough to feed whole nations, but that it has someone in charge who knows what he's doing.
chrome quest
God, comparing it to Kenobi is so depressing
heavy lagoon
When you don't waste a ton of time on trying things out multiple ways because you're unsure about your own material & the ability of people you hired, you have actually enough time to make a banger TV show.
drifting dagger
Kenobi was also not that bad
chrome quest
Was Kenobi the worse-looking SW Disney+ show? It had to be that or BoBF, right?
drifting dagger
Book of Boba Fett could have been a lot better if they hadn't also stuck in half of Mando Season 3 in it
heavy lagoon
but Kenobi is a strong contender!
chrome quest
When you don't waste a ton of time on trying things out multiple ways because yo...
Astonishing what you can accomplish when you don't can the director halfway through and bring in someone to have to rush to finish the group project by the deadline lol
heavy lagoon
Leia somehow running away from multiple adults in a tight space
chrome quest
I mean, the vespa kids
Yep, you're right, it's definitely BoBF. At least Kenobi had some different environments
heavy lagoon
that one scene where the transport picks up Kenobi & Leia from the Inkie frotress
chrome quest
Forest, City, Tatooine, Fortress
heavy lagoon
with the proportions all wrong
heavy lagoon
Astonishing what you can accomplish when you don't can the director halfway thro...
which is half on the people hiring, and half on the people they hire
with the revelations about the absurdly wasteful and exploitative work methods of that duo of directors initially working on Solo, it's no wonder their material didn't amount to much of a movie
heavy lagoon
jesus?
dark arrow
A Star Wars series about a crime lord and all the syndicate politics? With the added Tusken angle and an interest in Tattooinian scarcity? This could have been so good...
heavy lagoon
but he's a good crime lord now!
he runs drugs respectfully
he's literally that guy
heavy lagoon
A Star Wars series about a crime lord and all the syndicate politics? With the a...
Do for desert crime what Andor did for treason
drifting dagger
Doess he even still allow drugs and stuff?
heavy lagoon
the train heist is about getting drugs
and he sets up a deal to have the drug runners pay off the tuskens for the privilege of passing through their territory, IIRC
dark arrow
Yeah, I don't think he cares about the drugs so much as about establishing a decent protection racket.
heavy lagoon
All that said, Skeleton Crew was good. I'm expecting Andor s2 to be great, again.
Hey, if they get out a third thing that's good, they'd be on a roll.
Do we know what's up next after Andor?
drifting dagger
Really Star Wars TV has been way more hits than misses
heavy lagoon
Kenobi & Fett were terrible. Andor was top tier. Skeleton Crew was good. Acolyte was pretty mixed.
drifting dagger
Mando's been consistently good, Ahsoka I haven't watched yet
heavy lagoon
Mando started out good but dropped off a lot, IMO. Ahsoka was
...
sorry I nodded off there, because I thought about the Ahsoka show
chrome quest
The best thing about the Ahsoka show were the villains, who were all either underdeveloped or completely shallow. I think that says a lot
heavy lagoon
their relationship with the leads was so thin, viewers imagined an entire lesbian romance into the empty space
foggy jasper
TBF that's just how Kasrkin is.
idle salmon
No one gave a shit about the mercenary director they brought in to ghostwrite/cl...
once more "let him cook" prevails
but yea
Andor did not release, it escaped
dark arrow
their relationship with the leads was so thin, viewers imagined an entire lesbia...
Hey, that empty space had smoldering lightsabers!
chrome quest
Hey, that empty space had smoldering lightsabers!
Thirsty Saber Lesbians
leaden star
Because Last Jedi was a deconstruction and reconstruction of how Star Wars worke...
The Last Jedi needed to have someone empowered to tell Rian Johnson "No". Like "Do not have Rose -- a character played by a female minority -- be the one who basically gets everyone killed in the same movie you're going to gank Luke who spends most of its run time being a grouchy waste of space after having fucked up life like Han did. It doesn't take a genius to realise what horrible things the fandom is going to do given how they've already lost their shit over the 'woke' of episode 7 having the only white males in the new generation both be fascist asses."
It also needed to be written at the same time as Episodes 7 and 9, and filmed at the same time just like Lord of the Rings
leaden star
Just some bizarre choices all around throughout that film
I really want to see what the pre-KK intervention version of the film would have been like
heavy lagoon
The Last Jedi needed to have someone empowered to tell Rian Johnson "No". Like "...
counterpoint: submitting to the whims of reactionary fools never satisfies them, and leaves you their dancing puppet
leaden star
Nah. What he did with Rose was basically a justification of the type of thinking that comes up with statements like "That aircrash happened because of a diversity hire."
heavy lagoon
that's complete nonsense
steep fog
I know we're on the conversation roundabout with this stuff again, but I think the big mistake they made was (in that (and this) era of how Franchises' work), not going in with some form of plan for episodes 7-9.
Also: I'm always disappointed my post Rogue One release personal theory that the 'main episodes' were going to be aimed at younger fans to bring fresh blood into the ranks, with the 'Star Wars Stories' movies promised being slightly more adult to cater to those of us of an ageing disposition.
dark arrow
Thirsty Saber Lesbians
Just a tiny bit.
cunning fox
TBF that's just how Kasrkin is.
i only just realised this thread was a thing, but even here im being called out lmfaooo
foggy jasper
👏
rotund wadi
The most awful clip from Andor S2 has been shared on Reddit. I don’t know how to share just the video. But here is a link to the post. Don’t watch it. Seriously.
||https://www.reddit.com/r/andor/s/nyNuhgWasI||
narrow ridge
Is it the one where ||[REDACTED] kisses [REDACTED] on the cheek like they’re a married couple||?
rotund wadi
yup
craggy kestrel
Probably the most stereotypically Star Wars the show has felt. Trying to steal a ship, stuff going wrong with explosions, and slightly comedic with tech not working properly.
normal ivy
Not getting good vibes from these clips
narrow ridge
Probably the most stereotypically Star Wars the show has felt. Trying to steal a...
Hot take: that’s what makes the Rebellion appealing
drifting dagger
I love how the stormtroopers just stopped and stared for a second before they started to shoot XD
drifting dagger
Not getting good vibes from these clips
How?
kind mica
What are the other 2?
chrome quest
Yeah I need to know if this MF thinks Rogue One is one of the three best SW things ever, so I can know whether to ignore their opinions or not
heavy lagoon
Nah, his takes are solid
If I had to guess it would be the first two movies
Read how he talks about Andor, you see that there's a brain behind the opinion
drifting dagger
So, not like Theory and Critical Drinker
heavy lagoon
How would you even go from someone describing a show as literate to those drivel mongers? 🤣
drifting dagger
Because the vast majority of those people who are "critics" on YouTube have no fucking clue what they're talking about and are more concerned with culture war bullshit than objective critique
idle salmon
Basically