#Ahsoka - Part 1 & Part 2 - Episode Discussion

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But there are no easy answers. Veering away from infinite growth and allowing shows to take their time, and for everyone to unionize to establish good working conditions.

foggy ruin
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And then there's simply stuff that can't be fixed, like directors leaving and being replaced, things not working out, schedules not being able to be moved.

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It'd be great if we could give every show the time and attention they needed, but that's not always possible even in the best case situations.

foggy ruin
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But with the current hype trains going at supersonic speed that will be a hard sell

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Yes

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And then there's simply the part where some people aren't as good at their jobs as we'd want them to be.

cursive pike
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Disney needs to slow down Star Wars or the tit is going to dry out and people will be uninterested. Less money. No more Star Wars.

exotic coyote
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Can I just say, I really like Baylan and Shin—particularly Shin. I think Ivanna Sakhno is doing a great job with very little

cursive pike
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She's also hot.

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Compared to Bordizzo who I feel is not handling Sabine very well at all

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And Ray Stevenson just has sheer gravitas just from existing

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Man has Presence.

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That was my grandma's favorite character.

foggy ruin
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Also when he said that Pathway to Peridea was a children's story when he was a youngling his face literally looked like 10% had been transported back to childhood.

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This is a weird detail to mention

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But I loved it

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He seems troubled but not in the "I am edgy and evil" way

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But in a more "my life has been messed up so many times and sometimes idk how I am still holding it together tbh" way

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If I am not making sense I don't really care

exotic coyote
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It's a difficult situation because pretty much ALL of the other main characters in this are accomplished movie stars with DECADES of experience each (Dawson, Stevenson, Winstead, Tennant).

Bordizzo obviously doesn't have their same chops, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it makes her acting looks even worse when she's sharing screen time with (or following up) their performances.

However, Sakhno... she is killing it. She has such presence that she often feels like the most interesting element in a given scene even when she's not necessarily doing anything important.

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Like, she has almost no dialogue and hasn't been given a ton to do yet, but she is doing so much with what she has in subtle ways

fleet stratus
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Yeah, there's also the general problem of audiences having so much good quality TV and performances to choose from that expectations are a lot higher too

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Especially if everyone else in the same show does a lot better

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The scene were Elsbeth activates the map, there's this great shot where Elsbeth's hand is kinda in the foreground along with the map and galaxy, while Stevenson and Ivanna are watching in the background, in focus.

Except Ivanna's not looking at the map, not at first. She's looking at her master. And the look on her face, the look in her eyes, is one of concern, trepidation, like she's looking to her master for reassurance, like as long as he's not worried, it means everything's okay. It really helps reinforce that Master/Apprentice dynamic and how much he likely means to her—in fact the look she gives him is almost like the way a worried daughter might look at their father for reassurance. And once she's sees he's unconcerned, she silently she follows his gaze to the map.

Meanwhile, Steven's eyes are fixed on the map the entire time. If he even realizes she is looking at him for reassurance, he doesn't show it. He's a man that is in pursuit of a goal, he's determined, he's focused. Eyes on the prize, just like you'd expect from what we know of him.

The entire shot only lasts a few seconds but I immediately noticed it on my first watch and pointed it out to my partner because I thought it conveyed so much about her character and her relation to Baylan, as well as the differences between their possible convictions/confidence in a really subtle way. Not sure if it was something Ivanna came up with or something Steph Green directed her to do, but it seemed really deliberate, and if so, kudos to whoever came up with it, I love little cues like that that tell us things about the characters without needing them to be dialogue or even necessarily the focus of what's going on in the scene.

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worldly dune
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More like, they got killed off so early you didn't have time to get bored by them.

cursive pike
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They just had too much to get through and had to get from A to B, which meant less screentime for those characters. The cut scenes and more development on their end would have been good, but they wouldn't make it a three hour movie to do it.

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There's a lot of rushed stuff in the first act too that I've seen cut parts of that improve it a lot.

worldly dune
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There is no way to tell whether you're talking about Rogue One or Solo here without further context LMAO.

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cursive pike
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I'm talking about Solo because that's the movie Veers was talking about.

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The cut scene with Han as a pilot and the extended battle scene make that section feel less rushed, but it kinda jumps a bit jarringly around there and I noticed it when rewatching

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Pilot scene is also good because it actually shows he's a good pilot when it's referenced later. There's little context for when he brags so much later on, but that scene shows it.

exotic hare
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I’m really loving everything to do with that duo

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Easily the best part of the show

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Yeah. Gimme a show of just them (I know Ray's unfortunate death makes this impossible even IF they both survive which I sincerely doubt)

worldly dune
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not even impossible, as fucked up as it is

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foggy ruin
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..............I don't want to think about that right now

worldly dune
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they 100% did the body scanning thing on all of the actors

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on a lighter note, I've seen some hilariously thirsty Shin/Sabine shipping already, focusing of course on their duel

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worldly dune
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any time two characters interact, it's gonna set off the shippers, yeah

exotic hare
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Yeah it’s not hard

worldly dune
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ba dum dush

exotic hare
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Especially with the context of a swordfight

foggy ruin
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This weirdo attacks me with two droids but dammit she's hot

exotic hare
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Is that too much to ask?

foggy ruin
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Hotter than the lightsaber

exotic hare
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🙏🙏🙏

foggy ruin
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Or maybe

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I think you are asking a lot

cursive pike
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Kasrkin.

foggy ruin
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To be both attacked and have the attacker be hot?

worldly dune
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foggy ruin
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We understand

cursive pike
foggy ruin
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Please don't do that

exotic hare
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Smh homophobia

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/j

foggy ruin
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Kasrkin is sweet

cursive pike
foggy ruin
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At least so far she seems sweet

exotic hare
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UwU

foggy ruin
cursive pike
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Yes.

exotic hare
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I’m so incredibly banned :3

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cursive pike
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YOU'RE DONE, VEERS.

worldly dune
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But it wasn't a cool fight

foggy ruin
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It's almost like one of them is a Force sensitive who has kept up with her training and actively fought while the other was only kind of sort of trained a few years ago for a short time

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Who would have thought?

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thorn plover
cursive pike
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They're just friends.

foggy ruin
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Oh shit we have a stunt coordinator among us in Veers

worldly dune
thorn plover
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enemies to lovers here we go

exotic coyote
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I did love Shin's Force Aikido maneuver

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Feel we haven't seen some good old fashioned martial arts being woven into a saber duel since... TFA? I think Kylo backhanded Finn once or something? I may be misremember, can't remember if anything like that happened in Kenobi

worldly dune
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Ahsoka's mole maneuver was sweet, too

foggy ruin
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Kasrkin is enamored already

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worldly dune
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Ahsoka is just good at holes, I guess

cursive pike
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I don't get it.

foggy ruin
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They don't stop coming

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..........oh no I added to it too

worldly dune
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joking aside, it's kinda sad that this is all it's gonna be

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I have absolutely no expectation of there being actual gay characters on screen in any real capacity.

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That's why we have fanfic.

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Including RPGs

thorn plover
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yeah, true

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Now excuse me, I'm gonna go post a game about playing as Sabine and Shin

foggy ruin
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"Hotter than the lightsaber she stabbed me with" 25k words, very slow burn

worldly dune
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Thirsty Sword Lesbians, one presumes

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cursive pike
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I mean, probably eventually.

foggy ruin
exotic hare
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Murder gremlin dark Jedi is peak character design

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worldly dune
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the recent Inquisitor novel kinda goes in that direction, though not for the whole book

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in case that's of interest to anyone

foggy ruin
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So many books

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How unfortunate that I can't read

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worldly dune
foggy ruin
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Good to know

deft sparrow
worldly dune
foggy ruin
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The book is probably enjoyable but it does

worldly dune
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Rise of whatever, yeah

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It doesn't fit the novel at all, IMO

exotic coyote
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Should have just called it INQUISITOR

cursive pike
worldly dune
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||she's only an Inkie for maybe the last third||

cursive pike
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You ruined the book for me and now I won't give my money to buy it.

worldly dune
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Excellent

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INQVISITOR

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Because it's hip

worldly dune
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Ink Visitor 🦑

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cursive pike
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It was a metaphorical attack.

exotic coyote
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Well, ||she's a literal Inquisitor in the novel||, so

cursive pike
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Yes, but she's also a ||metaphorical Inquisitor||. It has layers, Veers.

foggy ruin
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Onion mode enabled

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worldly dune
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The villains are allowed a wider range and more intensity of emotion

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The villains are also new characters who aren't beholden to previous incarnations of the characters

worldly dune
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It's not about thr actors, IMO, it comes with all the SW baggage

grim nacelle
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They are Miriact, but for example new 'stoic Hera' doesn't feel like Hera to me, if you get me? Even Squadrons Hera displayed a bigger range of emotions in her characterisation, and thats around this setting, and a computer game, not a very expensive TV series.

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She carries herself with this quiet confidence

foggy ruin
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I dunno if quiet confidence is the term I would use

exotic coyote
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I can see how some people might see it as too laidback, especially compared to how spirited Ahsoka was in TCW (especially early on)

foggy ruin
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There is a bit of subtle hostility in almost all interactions with others or just a general demeanor of "are you actually seriously asking me that?"

cursive pike
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She's pretty good.

foggy ruin
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But that's my impression

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I didn't say the actress is bad

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I just said how it comes off to me

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I don't get hostility at all. I get patience and serenity, something that she, like Anakin, didn't have a lot of during TCW but definitely had gained by Rebels. So this version of her, that we first met in Mando, feels like a natural evolution of that

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Again, that's just me. She's not Snips anymore and I actually love that about her

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She reminds me of Qui-Gon in some ways, where he just seemed perpetually centered

foggy ruin
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I don't see it at all

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Tbh

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I mean the Qui-Gon

cursive pike
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I didn't see any hostility either. She seemed confident and to me like she was trying to portray an air of professionalism at least in line of how she was trained while in the Order. She's a Jedi all but in name, really.

foggy ruin
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ok

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grim nacelle
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I genuinely think its probably a case of 75% issues with prosthetics (trying to get someone to move gracefully consistently while wearing some of that rig they have to throw on for their scenes is probably a nightmare). The dialling it in thing, like I say, there's 'stoic' and then there's 'walking slowly with your arms crossed working to try and figure out who's farted in the room while being very monotone in delivery'.

Its a weird change, because in the one mando episode she's in, you see a lot more range than you do here in my opinion.

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there's also this undercurrent between hera, sabine and ahsoka, that they are all deeply confident in themselves (in most respects) but also are close enough to have a really strong understanding of each other's flaws and interpersonal needs

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which basically is a way for any one of them to find a way to get a bit of a prickly reaction from each other, especially w/regards to ahsoka and sabine's relationship

exotic coyote
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I think the prosthetics certainly affect how she can move during stunts and action sequences but I don't think they have any real impact on how she acts during conversations or during introspective moments

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It's not like her actual face is covered in them, it's basically just a headdress

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And I think her mannerisms/range pretty much aligns with how she acted in the Mandalorian—she wasn't very emotional in The Jedi, even when confronting Elsbeth. But maybe that's just me

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I do hope that we will get to see SOME stronger emotional reactions from her during this. Hopefully the fact that the stakes involve so many of her closest, oldest friends might lead to something like that during a moment of crisis or catharsis

grim nacelle
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Again a lot of it is probably down to personal opinion, there's no doubt about it, you're right in that resepct. Reference 'The Jedi' though, I could feel a lot more weight in her delivery of 'Where is Grand Admiral Thrawn?' than anything I've seen thus far here.

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Ultimately I agree with Stan in that I think the show is fairly mediocre so far, and I'm skeptical that it will rise to the level of truly 'good', let alone 'great' like Andor did.

However, for me, I will take mediocre over the disasters that were BoBF, Kenobi, and Mando S3.

I am genuinely interested in finding out more about some of the characters (albeit they're the antagonists, which maybe isn't a great sign), as well as where this is all going, so in that regard I'd say it succeeds

exotic coyote
# grim nacelle Again a lot of it is probably down to personal opinion, there's no doubt about i...

Yeah, I'm with you there. To be fair that was clearly the culmination of a pretty involved offscreen hunt, so there was a lot at stake for her there, and it was certainly personal. Not to say this isn't but thus far she hasn't encountered anyone capable of really evoking that kind of emotional reaction out of her other than presumably Sabine, whom Ahsoka seems to be deliberately refusing to let get a rise out of her

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worldly dune
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She was both warmer and also more intense at times in Rebels, IMO

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Hard to gauge whether she's supposed to be off her game here after living as a hobo for years

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slow frost
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I have to figure at least one episode will explain how long she was stuck on Malachor and what brought her to where she is now and what she got up to in the meantime

exotic coyote
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I never got the impression she was stuck there after Ezra's intervention, the cards seem to imply she went back into the World Between Worlds' willingly (likely guided by Morai). But yeah, we don't know why she went back in, and I'm interested to find out what she saw/experienced (although I doubt this show will explore that). I could definitely see it changing her in a way that leads to the Ahsoka we see in Mando/this show

slow frost
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yeah not that she was physically trapped and unable to escape but that she must've had something to do other than fighting the Empire

plucky galleon
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I never got the sense that she went back into the World Between Worlds after. But everything had collapsed and if she went the other way, she probably would’ve run into Vader. Morai flew off to the surface of Malachor, didn’t it? I’m sure she found some other way off though

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worldly dune
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It's the same situation with Sabine's fighting, only there you attribute it to the actress not doing it right instead of going with the narrative justification

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How do you know that? I mean your making alot of assumpations.

worldly dune
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What do you mean?

plucky galleon
stone plume
# worldly dune What do you mean?

I mean this is alot of opinion and supposition on your part. The same situation Sabines fighting, only you attribute it to the actress not doing it right. I mean that's an assumpation based on your perception and opinions. For all we know that's exactly how she's suppose to fight

worldly dune
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Hm? I'm not saying that I think that.

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I'm referring to Veers' earlier comment to that effect

stone plume
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Ah ok my apologies then.

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I misunderstood.

worldly dune
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To restate this in other words, Veers is thinking the same about Sabine with regards to fighting that I'm thinking about Ahsoka with regards to her demeanor. Struck me as funny that we're such mirror images.

stone plume
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I personally felt it was fine I mean it's only episode 1 and 2. I'm willing to wait to see more development.

plucky galleon
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Yeah. I’m blanking what happened to that particular one, but there were 3 ships there before Vader arrived

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(Unless chop crashed it)

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plucky galleon
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Hm. I guess we’ll see if they show it, or if they just move along. Just odd to me to think of her being able to reenter it

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Reminds me of the TLJ throne room fight, although it's not as egregious as that lol

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plucky galleon
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Well we know she did go back via the WBW portal because she jumps through her original gate, iirc?

sullen walrus
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||Also the TLJ throne room fight is cool, actually, and I will not take questions or argue this point||

sullen walrus
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Gotta do a re-watch of Rebels sometime soon

grim nacelle
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As a sidebar it does amuse me how the youtube outrage brigade are now down to doing 'print by numbers' with their 'spoilers' and 'rumours'.

With Indie and the dial of destiny, ||it was supposedly Phoebe Waller Bridge taking Indies hat and being inserted into classic scenes such as the boulder scene using the dial.||

With Ahsoka,|| it's supposedly Ahsoka getting inserted into key parts of the original 6 movies, including the Mustafar fight with the world between worlds.||

plucky galleon
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Ugh, i forgot about those rumors for Ahsoka

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The obsession with the WBW for this series, while it could show up, has been insane. And I’m kinda glad the font imagery of her title is just…star map

worldly dune
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sullen walrus
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"Will the World Between Worlds show up and do some Time Travel???" is that one big point of speculation you get with every big Star Wars thing these days and at this point I'm going to be shocked if they actually pull that trigger at any point

grim nacelle
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People cling to it I think because they believe thats how they're going to do a soft reboot and blip 7-9 out of existence, which is absurd.

exotic coyote
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Whether Dawson's placid performance is intentional or not, I don't know how well it would click with audiences if she were our only protagonist, so in that regard they were smart to pair her with others for this

plucky galleon
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As amazing of an episode as it was, the constant rumors and speculation around it sometimes make me wish it was never introduced

slow frost
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and it's pretty clear from the jump that it can't or won't actually change history, either

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kinda funny to me with how fantastical Star Wars is that time travel to change things is still totally off the table

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slow frost
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Retcons are always happening but unless Star Wars drops off the face of the earth for long enough that there's a distinct "we're bringing back Star Wars" thing to do, I don't see a reboot happening

grim nacelle
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I just wish they'd never done it Zadent. For me, Ahsoka's death in Rebels at that point in her confrontation with Anakin had more power, meaning and beauty to it than we've seen in a lot of Star Wars since.

slow frost
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Ahsoka never died in Rebels

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like, they leave it a little funky but the episode left it open enough that her survival was evident

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grim nacelle
# slow frost Ahsoka never died in Rebels

At the time you saw it, she did (as I remember it, although it clearly happens off camera). It wasnt for another year before we got the WBW ep which clarified it.

plucky galleon
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I don’t mind Ahsoka surviving. And I don’t mind the WBW in concept as just this..plane of existence.

slow frost
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The episode concludes with Ahsoka walking down a tunnel in the aftermath of everything

plucky galleon
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I only saw the season 2 finale after the fact, but doesn’t it show her walkin off?

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After Vader walks out and Morai flies away

slow frost
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Like, it reads as ambiguous, yes, but if it's not super clear that they're dead, they aren't

sullen walrus
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Yeah, there was always that shot of Ahsoka walking at the very end of the episode - there was argument at the time that it was symbolic and that she really was dead, but at this point I think it's pretty clear that the intent was never to kill her off

grim nacelle
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I think theres some serious misremebering going on. As I recall the last we see of her is her force pushing Ezra away before the door shuts, and then her trying to keep Vader in check.

worldly dune
slow frost
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Yes, you're misremembering

worldly dune
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There is a montage

plucky galleon
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Like, I think one could believably go from Twilight of the Apprentice to the epilogue perfectly fine without the WBW, especially if she was shown in the montage when it premiered

grim nacelle
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Ha weird. The copy of the episode I had, didnt have her walking into the tunnel. Just watched it 😄

plucky galleon
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The WBW is mainly the explanation of how she survived Vader and how that plays into the temptation by Palpatine to save Kanan, and later his parents. But since she’s not the main character, it’s not necessarily necessary.

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https://youtu.be/LXiwr25OU_w?feature=shared&t=166

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plucky galleon
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Amusingly, that reminds me of when I first watched How to Train Your Dragon. I was naive and watched a copy my brother had (apparently pirated), and it cut to credits before revealing that Toothless saved Hiccup

worldly dune
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I just looked at it again on D+ and you see her silhouette from behind as she descends into the dark, triangular entrance

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Right after the shot of Vader limping and the bird taking off

plucky galleon
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Actually, that portal she dove through being the same also could make sense because of Morai being there in the montage when it wasn’t shown on the planet before, but it follows Ahsoka in WBW

worldly dune
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But it's dark enough that you can easily miss it if you don't look for it or watch it on like a dark phone screen

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Her survival was a huge point of contention when the episode aired. IIRC I was convinced she was dead and the shot symbolic.

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grim nacelle
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I actually don't know how I feel about this now I know Ahsoka survived her duel with Darth without Ezra pulling some the WBW card. My initial gut reaction is much like Larry in Kenobi, it cheapens the threat of Vader a wee bit, in the same way every two minutes another jedi survivor seems to pop out of the woodwork cheapens order 66 for me.

slow frost
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honestly I'm annoyed about the whole "Vader is an unstoppable killing machine" thing that some stories turn him into

worldly dune
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The only fight Vader wins in the OT is against a basically untrained opponent.

slow frost
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he also gets the upper hand on some necks 👉👉

worldly dune
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Yeah but those aren't fights

slow frost
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I had to seize the joke

worldly dune
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I understand

grim nacelle
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Thats a fair opinion Welly, but to me that end corridor scene in Rogue One is always the way I'd imagined him. A sheer force of nature you need to get out of the way of or outmaneuvre, but never go toe-to-toe with.

*I think its important to remember saying this, that I don't read the comics, and haven't picked up any of the newer books since the Vong arc kicked off, as I didn't really dig its vibe.

worldly dune
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The corridor scene seems VERY out of step with his portrayal in the OT

grim nacelle
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I wonder how much of that might be due to the changes in filming techniques in what, nearly forty years?

plucky galleon
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Technically, she wouldn’t have survived without Ezra in the WBW. She only lived because of Ezra. Closed loop

worldly dune
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There is an element of that, but filming techniques don't dictate content

slow frost
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honestly, the Vader comics do a decent job of showing an incredibly powerful Vader who's still very far from unstoppable, especially when he has to deal with stuff that can't be fixed with blunt force

grim nacelle
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I'll put my hands up, just not a comics guy at all.

slow frost
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or the way he gets zapped at the end of Fallen Order, which is just really funny to me lol

grim nacelle
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Its a media I've never really enjoyed

slow frost
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but yeah, like, he should be powerful and he should be threatening but when he's up against more than a bunch of nameless mooks he can be challenged

plucky galleon
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I think part of it is it can be tough to present him as an unstoppable monster, but still tell stories where the protag doesn’t die to him. The hallway is a great unstoppable moment because it’s nameless rebels that just have blasters.

When characters have other options, it’s more interesting, imo

slow frost
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protagonists, including RPG PCs, have their shot to get away, like the Rebels crew does at the start of that season

plucky galleon
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Yeah, was just thinking of when Kanan and ezra crossed him in season 2

worldly dune
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hey if droids are persons, Sabine is a necromancer now

foggy ruin
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I mean they already looked back at recordings from captured tactical droids so.......the Jedi are also necromancers

worldly dune
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they fell so hard they didn't even notice smh

foggy ruin
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Mechromancy

worldly dune
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robotomancy

thorn plover
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speak with dead, but make it tech

fleet stratus
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I'm dead inside, does that count?

thorn plover
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sadly no

fleet stratus
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Would've been too easy I guess

foggy ruin
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You are also not a droid

fleet stratus
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What is a human but a meat droid

foggy ruin
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A person

fleet stratus
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And droids aren't people?

foggy ruin
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I mean I guess they are

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If they have sentience

deft sparrow
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Like Chopper and R2 ?

fleet stratus
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Not all droids would appear sentient (though they still might be), but there are plenty of droids who appear perfectly sentient and sapient.

foggy ruin
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ok

wanton herald
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I think this is where I'm at now too honestly

fleet stratus
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I found taking a long break helped a lot

wanton herald
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tell that to disney wheeze

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I think the reason Star Wars always felt so special was that it used to be such an event when a new movie or thing came otu

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now it's just all the time

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I agree with the point that someone made earlier that everyone feels like they were directed to act like they were partially asleep

plucky galleon
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I believe it was already been said they’re attempting to slow down, wasn’t it? I know marvel and disney+ in general were mentioned.

Idk, I’m still enjoying it mostly though, but I tend to not look too close at acting and stuff 👀

plucky galleon
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squints the Ahsoka hasbro stream just showed a Black Series figure of Ezra

exotic coyote
plucky galleon
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I mean, yeah. But “slow down” can have more than one meaning, tbf. It could be “we’re cutting back on how much we’re making.” It could be “we’re still making them but extending the time between/production time”

worldly dune
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Shows take years to make. The announcement about slowing down was months ago. These things take time to happen.

plucky galleon
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That too

hybrid wave
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Of course, actors and writers are also currently helping them slow down a little.

plucky galleon
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Heh. A forced slowdown

grim nacelle
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I'm surprised they're not using the opportunity to 'pace' the things they have in the can out a bit more, so to speak

slow frost
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Most of their stuff doesn't have release dates announced, so they might be already

wanton herald
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I haven't even bothered to watch Bad Batch

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I watched 1 episode of season 2 and was expecting a... interesting... perhaps action-oriented season opener, and it was so dull I could not tell you what the plot was

plucky galleon
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I enjoyed season 2 more than i did 1 the first time. Set my expectations away from a focused single story and let the episodic “adventure of the week” play out. Only watched it once, so there’s a lot that I don’t currently recall though

slow frost
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Season 2 really picked up at the Coruscant episode

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Feels similar to how Rebels and Clone Wars hit their stride after a bit

plucky galleon
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Ahh, yeah, i remember that one a bit more now. That, and the heartbreak of plan 99

fervent forge
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The barrier was never around, it was essentially thru, cutting off about a third of it, yeah?

foggy ruin
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I don't really remember

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But it might have been

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I thought it was meant to be outside beyond the "eastern" edge as it were

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Eastern used a shorthand here for our POV looking at the map

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OK apparently both of us are right in a way

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The barrier apparently surrounds the galaxy but it's midline is located where the Unknown Regions begin

fervent forge
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Was this just to explain the Vong being a generation ship based invasion?

foggy ruin
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I have no idea

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Also I loved that typo

fervent forge
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The Bong. Very loud yet surprisingly mellow

grim nacelle
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Didn't realise Filoni had an idea to bring the Vong into the Clone Wars. That was an interesting read.

foggy ruin
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I remember that

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Apparently they would have found an abandoned Vong ship or something if I recall

fervent forge
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So many heads would have exploded

grim nacelle
foggy ruin
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Yeah it's been a while since I last read about it

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I dunno what I would have thought about it to be honest. I mean it would have been cool as a reference back then but it would not have had any meaningful effect on the plot or relation to the Sidious plan

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This might sound childish but I would have preferred more battles in the latter parts of seasons 5 and 6

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But I guess those can get boring after a while

grim nacelle
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I think as a one-off it would have worked. If we can have Godzilla on Coruscant, we can have a Vong episode that'll work. 😄

foggy ruin
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Is that other ship supposed to be a Republic corvette or a Venator?

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I know Vong ships are meant to be huge

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The soilhouette makes me think corvette

grim nacelle
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It looks very trianglular, so Im guessing Venator or maybe an Athersprite, depending on the scale

worldly dune
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Are you maybe in the wrong thread?

foggy ruin
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I think Raff is asking because of episode 3

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Of Ahsoka

worldly dune
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Yup

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That has its own thread/forum/whatever they're called

foggy ruin
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I didn't notice

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My bad

hybrid wave
foggy ruin
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I didn't see it

hybrid wave
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No problem, it happens with every series. 😛

cursive pike
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How's three?

plucky galleon
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Shorter, but I enjoyed it

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Some good stuff between Ahsoka and Sabine

slow frost
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short and sweet

cursive pike
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I don't want short and sweet. I like things long and hard.

west snow
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The shortness surprised me lol

unreal mica
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Really enjoyed the episodes so far

west snow
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I enjoyed that ahsoka became their character a bit more

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A little silly. As a treat.

winter hill
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I like you

west snow
cursive pike
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I like the maple trees.

west snow
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Ugh the first time I saw all that red my brain was like DATHOMIR but no. nope. totally wrong land scape.

pure viper
foggy ruin
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I don't know

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They didn't draw a map

pure viper
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I enjoyed the first two episodes

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What I like is what is seemingly going to be the mystery and the plot. It has the potential to be pretty great but I also dread if it's not.

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I do feel the writing could be better at times though considering how edgy some characters are, but that's been a thing with most of those disney shows anyway. Also the costumes and props, some of them are awfully bad (like the droid's brain, or a lot of the new republic clothes that almost look like brand new shiny cosplays, Hera being one of the main offenders)

foggy ruin
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I dunno if it's too bad if the New Republic uniforms are shiny. I mean they are probably very new uniforms and are worn by a military that barely really fights in war anymore so.......I guess it's not that bad

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By this I mean the uniforms of the crew members

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Not Hera's outfit specifically

pure viper
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That's not what I'm saying, and that's not just the new republic officials

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Even though it's more obvious on them

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It's very cheap looking imo

worldly dune
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yeah, I'm sure the show spent a lot of money on all that, but it doesn't look like it

pure viper
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Color cohesion is weird, nothing is worn out properly

worldly dune
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the whole show is lit like a supermarket

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it's all this uniform bright light that makes everything look washed out and cheap

foggy ruin
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These are new uniforms on people who barely do anything except sit in chairs and maybe repair some stuff on a spaceship, why would their uniforms look worn out?

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Unless I am misunderstanding

plucky galleon
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Out of curiosity, what characters are we considering edgy and what makes them so?

foggy ruin
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The obvious first choice is Shin Hati

pure viper
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Look at that, the belt is too loose, the whole uniform is floppy and weird, it's very sloppy

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Belts are super egregious on most cases, sabine as well early on

foggy ruin
worldly dune
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There are other options besides extremes

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That's reductive

foggy ruin
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Well yeah but even in the military some uniforms just don't fit some people well

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And they look a little goofy

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It happens

pure viper
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That's not what I mean, I mean the props craft, not what they look like in universe

plucky galleon
foggy ruin
pure viper
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I'm not judging what it's supposed to be or not to be in universe, I'm judging the actual quality of the crafts

foggy ruin
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I see

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I mean now that I am looking at screenshots it does look a little goofy

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Both in itself and on the guy

pure viper
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I'm unable to find a proper point of comparison with the rebel uniforms in rotj since they're strictly the same

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But I probably didn't take the best example here

foggy ruin
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The only outfits that stand out to me are Baylan's and Shin's, because they don't look like anything I have seen in Star Wars before at least I think.

pure viper
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That guy looks like he comes directly from a fantasy convention cosplay to me

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foggy ruin
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It looks like a leather outfit meant to look like a breatsplate

plucky galleon
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I honestly just thought that was cloth. Idk if that’s a slight against costuming or a compliment to the current state of cosplaying 😅

pure viper
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Don't get me wrong though, there is one thing I'm extremely pleased with in that show is the return of colour. We had it a bit in other shows as well, but we're truly out of the mud filter era from the 2000s movies and onward

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I also hope we get to see Hera in other outfits because... well I guess it was the same in the animated show but that's an animated show, here I find it jarring to constantly see her in pilot's outfits. I get it it's part of her identity but idk

foggy ruin
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I mean the Prequels at least did

pure viper
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Oh yeah I just meant in general in cinema

worldly dune
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Scifi and historicals love making everything black and brown

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as if color was a fad

foggy ruin
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Well I mean brown is a common color irl

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And if you are in a time period before color dyes were a thing it's all brown

pure viper
#

I'd need to find the actual sources an authors on that but it's actually a term used to describe the era of digital filters in cinema

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Started in combination with the disappearance of colour in fashion, etc

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Movies before the 2000s were extremely colourful usually in comparison

cursive pike
plucky galleon
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Fair enough

cursive pike
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Costume design is fine. It's colorful, unique, and is representative of the new political era before its inevitable collapse.

worldly dune
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I think people are mixing up two convos here. One is about Baylan, the other about the senator.

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regarding armor material

foggy ruin
plucky galleon
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Mine was toward the image of Ryder

foggy ruin
#

I am honestly more interested in Baylan and Shin's story and motivations than the quest for Thrawn

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I just find them much more interesting characters, not just because they are new

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They are great foils for Ahsoka and Sabine

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Exact opposites, simple but effective

pure viper
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That's what I feel like i'm seeing

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foggy ruin
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Damn

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Also now that I am looking at the Alderaan security troopers, they really aren't positioned well in that hallway

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I get that there isn't a lot of cover but what the hell

cursive pike
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Because plot. Honestly, in a real-life scenario, they probably should have won that battle.

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Sans one Vader.

plucky galleon
hybrid wave
pure viper
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The 300 demonstrated it's possible obviously

cursive pike
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I don't think 9,700 Stormies came through that door.

plucky galleon
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Give or take 9,660

cursive pike
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Let me rephrase for the court. They probably should have won that particular firefight.

hybrid wave
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They could have drawn out the scene for longer.

cursive pike
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Short and sweet. It got the point across.

foggy ruin
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Maybe I am mistaken but they had way more than 30

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Also I think a lot of the crew just surrendered

plucky galleon
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On the whole ship. But that hallway all died, iirc. Or mostly

cursive pike
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Some ran away.

plucky galleon
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they had a pretty nice bottleneck, it seemed

foggy ruin
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If only they could use detonators like in BFII

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It becomes a real bottleneck then

cursive pike
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Like explosives?

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On a spaceship?

foggy ruin
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It was a joke

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I was joking about how in the 2006 BFII game the defender AI just spams the door with thermal detonators

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Making it a real bottleneck

cursive pike
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2006 Battlefront game is not Canon. Disregard.

foggy ruin
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........joking is not allowed it seems

plucky galleon
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Sidebar, on the comparison of the outfits, it might just be me, but I feel like the biggest difference is the lighting and quality of the image. Like..I don’t think the lower rebel uniforms are that off? But there’s probably details I’m missing

cursive pike
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Just an evolution of the design, I suppose. More formal and standard. For now, they're no longer the plucky rebels, but an established government.

pure viper
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Probably comes from my lack of military training but how would you position everybody differently out of curiosity?

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Unfortunately my field is more in art thus why sensibilities may vary

cursive pike
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All they had to do was shoot into the door.

foggy ruin
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I don't have military training either to be honest, and unfortunately there isn't a lot of usable cover in that hallway besides the door alcoves which are pretty much taken

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But some of the troopers are very exposed

plucky galleon
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There’s cover there! It’s the person in front of them

foggy ruin
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And it wasn't meant as a serious criticism btw

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Just me kidding

pure viper
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At leats they're trying somewhat to hug the walls even though some of them sure take a standing frontal posture

foggy ruin
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Powerstancing

pure viper
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Maybe the goal is to have a steadier aim to make sure not to miss that door?

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x)

plucky galleon
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“Ok, now stand there like that. Perfect!”
“Won’t I just get shot?”
“Nah, naaah. You’ll be fine. They’ll be intimidated by your boldness and stance”

foggy ruin
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I mean if you would want a serious suggestion, it surprises me that a diplomatic security unit has no mobile cover

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Not even a shield or something

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And by shield I mean like a durasteel shield or something

plucky galleon
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Factor in said security unit also being rebels in an active war….

pure viper
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Especially fond of the stance of that guy peeking behind

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foggy ruin
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But yeah the point is fair

cursive pike
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This is a movie made in the 1970s paying tribute to media even older than that showing a small unit of troops getting their shit stomped in to establish the antagonist.

foggy ruin
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Ok

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I was just saying

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I didn't think a brief joke about powerstancing rebels would lead to this

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And btw I don't really have any real advice because no I am not an actual soldier

plucky galleon
#

Ultimately..yeah. Could the skirmish have had things done better? Absolutely. Does it still get the point across? Yeah.

foggy ruin
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It wasn't a serious criticism

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From my part

cursive pike
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With what Star Wars has become over the last forty or so years, I think we tend to forget (or never realized) just how fucking campy it was. No super cheesy campy, but campy due to what inspired it.

plucky galleon
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Didn’t think so. Not entirely at least. But felt a good point to cap it 😅

foggy ruin
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I know I just didn't want to be misunderstood y'know?

plucky galleon
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Yup 😁

coral geyser
# foggy ruin And if you are in a time period before color dyes were a thing it's all brown

Sidebar jumping back to earlier briefly because this is a thing that I have ✨ thoughts ✨ on, but people often assume color dyes come in a lot later than they actually did in show costume design. So many things are unnecessarily brown

(Not intending this as a slight against you, btw, just a general gripe with “historical accuracy” in shows and how it misrepresents things so people don’t know these things)

hybrid wave
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Yup. Medieval times and nobility in particular were positively garish.

foggy ruin
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It couldn't have been that widespread in all of the ancient world could it?

coral geyser
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Roughly around ancient Egypt is the earliest evidence from what I know (2500 BCE-ish)

foggy ruin
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Interesting

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Btw I didn't mean to say anything bad

coral geyser
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Never said you did mate

foggy ruin
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I knew that in medieval times there was dye, though mostly reserved for upper classes of society.

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I think it's fine if everyone except nobles and merchants wears brown and white and beige and black

coral geyser
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Even lower classes had some access to the cheap dyes

foggy ruin
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Perhaps I should have amended that to industrial grade dye manufacturing

coral geyser
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(Also, fun fact, black isn’t actually a particularly easy color to get 😄 )

foggy ruin
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I am sorry

worldly dune
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There's a consistent refrain among historians whenever a new movie or show comes out and depicts the middle ages or whatever as all clothes and buildings being brown and dirty, that this is far from the truth as it is understood nowadays.

coral geyser
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But, again, a broad gripe not aimed at you in particular (unless you are the one designing the clothing for these shows? Seems unlikely though 😛 )

foggy ruin
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You think I would be defending the outfits in here if I wasn't the one designing them?

pure viper
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Don't quote me on that but I think during earlier times the only dye that was extremely expensive because hard to get and make was dark blue

plucky galleon
#

I thought that was purple

pure viper
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It's possible i'm mixing it up with another color

plucky galleon
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Both might’ve been tough though. I just remember associating purple with royalty and how one person in the Bible is specifically called out as a “a maker of purple dye” as if it was some big thing.

foggy ruin
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All I know about colors and the middle ages is that they used to make some very fancy ink out of a Mediterranean squid

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Called it Tyrian blue or something

pure viper
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Some quick research seems to point at purple yes

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Woad was used more commonly for blue

worldly dune
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This is a topic spanning thousands of years and the entire globe. Not much room for definitive pronouncements 😬

coral geyser
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There are lots of dyes that were expensive, but also many options that were cheap. Different shades of colors could be vastly different dyes. Like madder red vs carmine red. One came from a local plant and the other an imported tiny bug from South America

… actually not the best example looking into it because madder was very hard to use, but I think the gist can be understood at least? 🤷

exotic coyote
#

Glad someone else noticed that Sabine and Hera's outfits look too "clean"

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By that I mean they do not look "lived in", like most Star Wars stuff should

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Pilot-y/tinker style characters should have some grit/wear to their clothing IMO

hybrid wave
#

I guess it depends on how much piloting she actually gets to do these days.

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Then again, why is the general wearing a flight jacket plus goggles these days anyway?

slow frost
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nostalgia, I'd reckon

plucky galleon
#

Sabine has been living at Lothal, and was meant to be in a ceremony, so that could be why her outfit seems cleaner. Hera’s..idk, it didn’t bug me to be “clean.” Gives me the vibe she gets more involved in talks with senators and what not than flying around/working on the Phantom/Ghost

slow frost
#

obviously the reason Hera stays wore the same stuff in Rebels was technical limitations, but I like the idea that she also just kinda refuses to wear anything else lol

plucky galleon
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(But then again I never really was that attached to the “dirty/lived-in” look of the OT)

pure viper
#

Yeah but more than that, that's why I linked that ep 4 screenshot earlier, those uniforms are "clean", but they're not without creases and... they look natural

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Obviously maybe the idea is that the new republic just outfitted everybody with brand new stuff that they've been wearing for only a couple of days but it starts being shaky when it's literally half the cast or more

exotic coyote
plucky galleon
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To each their own 🍻

hybrid wave
plucky galleon
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Like, i honestly don’t notice things like that when watching. But that’s just me and everyone will approach these aspects differently

pure viper
#

But no matter how much I try to rationalize it, something looks very off to me in terms of screen compositing with those outfits

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The jedi ones which are truly lived in, are perfectly fine and integrated

foggy ruin
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I already said this, but if people are not actually rebels on the run anymore, they can have clean clothing

pure viper
#

Well there is plenty of clean clothing and high standing attires in the prelogy

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But they do have a level of finish that doesn't make them standing out like a sore thumb to me

foggy ruin
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I should have said that that was more of a response to people who want the clothing to be dirty at all costs

pure viper
#

Although to be fair, I really do suspect the full goal behind was really that they wanted to depict a fledging new republic with their brand new, out of the factory uniforms

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And they kinda went ham on it, perhaps a little too much, just to drive the point

thorn plover
#

I do like sabine's chipped nail polish as a detail

exotic coyote
slow frost
#

I noticed that they have armored gauntlets just like Jedi had in the Clone Wars too

foggy ruin
#

I mentioned this before but they are the only characters I am actually interested in

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OK maybe not the only

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But I am more interested in how they survived Order 66 and the rest of the shitstorms until now.

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At least I hope they get good backstories

cursive pike
#

Oh wait. Wrong channel.

grim nacelle
grim nacelle
worldly dune
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Anyone who's ever been to a wedding or some other social event requiring formal dress knows how thoroughly wrecked clothes can look after a lot of sitting and mingling.

pure viper
grim nacelle
foggy ruin
pure viper
grim nacelle
cursive pike
grim nacelle
foggy ruin
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ok

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I guess I will apologize then

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I was only saying what I thought about the relative cleanliness of the clothes

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Or uniforms or whatever

pure viper
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I guess my issue is that clean clothes look less cardboardy than this heh

grim nacelle
#

Nah I get it mate, no need to apologise.

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Yep, they do look like they're strached and straight out of a wrapper.

foggy ruin
#

Look I had no idea you were in a Navy

grim nacelle
cursive pike
#

Do you think the New Republic Air Force drone pilots wear sweat pants and hacker socks?

grim nacelle
#

I repeat

cursive pike
#

@grim nacelle, what kinda ship?

grim nacelle
#

These days I work on support ships for the UK Navy (Tankers, Amphibous Landing Ships and Solid Support one) and it varies from trip to trip (although I seem to be stuck on Tankers now for some godforsaken reason).

Back in my Navy days, Submarines (Vanguard class to be specific).

exotic coyote
#

Seriously, thanks for that. Was just discussing that movie with friends last night

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I mentioned how lucky Vasquez's actress is to have been in two of arguably the best action movies of all time (Aliens and Terminator 2)

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And it made me think about Drake and what his acting career may look like

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Good to know he's still getting work at his ripe ol' age

grim nacelle
#

I always love the story behind the 'illegal aliens' line in Aliens

"When auditioning for Aliens, Goldstein initially thought the film was about immigration and arrived at her audition for the part of a tough-as-nails space marine in a short skirt and high heels. As a result, Hudson's "illegal aliens" line was added to the script, as an in-joke."

exotic coyote
#

the Aliens discussion began bc of an amazing reference, too. We were discussing how nutty Supreme Scathing Tirade can get when you do it three times a turn with Influence AND Ebb/Flow, since Ebb/Flow lasts until the end of your next turn so it affects all three of your Scathing Tirades lmao

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So we were talking about how you could pretty easily deal like 40+ Strain in a single turn and someone goes

"What the hell are we supposed to use, harsh language?!"
"Yes."

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Just scold the krayt dragon until it lays down and stops moving

fervent forge
exotic coyote
exotic hare
#

feral emo daughter 🥰🥰🥰🥰

shrewd thunder
#

This pleases the Kasrkin.

foggy ruin
#

We shall not be hit with the heavy bolter today

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Not from her anyway

exotic hare
#

I have very normal and heterosexual thoughts about Shin’s intense stare in episode 3

foggy ruin
#

I hope she doesn't die at the end of this, but considering we only have eight episodes, I dunno if they will fit in a redemption arc.

slow frost
#

I rather strongly suspect Shin will be the sole survivor of the Jedi-ish villains, at least in this series, and we'll see more of her in the future

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The mentor dies and the apprentice must find their own way, and doing that with a villain is a really interesting twist to it

exotic hare
#

Yeah I can definitely see Baylan dying, even without factoring that the actor passed too

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Shin better live tho

foggy ruin
#

Yeah I also think this is how it will go

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I mean personally I think Baylan won't even be joining the trip to the other galaxy. Shin will go alone.

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I mean that is my speculation

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At least

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It seems set up that way

exotic coyote
#

I have a sneaking suspicion of the same, based off the trailers

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There are shots of him fighting Ahsoka in a place that looks really similar to the 'standing stones' area from Episode 2

exotic coyote
foggy ruin
#

Because there is basically nobody else to really have tension against the others. Thrawn and Elsbeth will probably hit it off and Marrok doesn't really have much of an opinion on things apparently

exotic hare
exotic coyote
exotic hare
#

If Rey and Ben can do it Shin and Sabine can too

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I deserve it

exotic coyote
#

But I don't think we're going to get a prominent canonically-gay 'ship on screen until Disney decides to just give up trying to make Star Wars a thing in China, and unfortunately I'm not sure they have yet :/

hybrid wave
# exotic coyote

The moment Thirsty Sword Lesbians got a small, but noticeable sales bump.

exotic hare
slow frost
#

China gets blamed for that a lot but I don't really buy that, kinda just seems like a scapegoat given how little any American stuff actually sells in China and how many vocal Americans like to raise a stink about the same

worldly dune
#

Yeah that's just a convenient scapegoat to not acknowledge homegrown bigotry

fervent forge
#

Shin is going to go along to be a foil for Ezra

foggy ruin
#

Only one season of this show has been announced correct?

slow frost
#

it's been described as an "event" rather than an ongoing series

foggy ruin
#

...........wow

slow frost
#

so the likely outcome is that it's not going to get other seasons but gets follow-up in some later thing or things

foggy ruin
slow frost
#

it's not like they're trying to rename anything

foggy ruin
#

OK maybe rename was not the correct term

slow frost
#

it sounds kinda like a comic book event, a high profile series with a limited run

foggy ruin
#

But using "event" for what is a series for no other reason than to sound fancy is bugging me for some reason.

foggy ruin
slow frost
#

I don't think it's to "sound fancy," but to convey the intent of it not being a recurring seasonal series

foggy ruin
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OK my bad

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I just found the word weird because I only use event for concerts and such.

slow frost
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And I don't think there's another established term for such a thing so far

foggy ruin
#

I mean now that you explained it event does make sense as a name

worldly dune
#

Event is a well- established term in TV programming

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Look at how many miniseries have been described as TWO NIGHT EVENT in the past

foggy ruin
#

Apparently I didn't pay enough attention in class

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^I only said this because I went to film school but that was a while ago

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But we didn't really discuss TV

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Anyway, I was only asking how many seasons there are supposed to be because I get the feeling that a lot is being set up and I don't know if they have time for it all in eight episodes

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Even if some things get very quickly handled

fervent forge
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Well I suspect the original plan was to lead into Filoni's film, but

hybrid wave
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It's possible some continuation will be outsourced into movies, series, novels and comics too.

worldly dune
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8 episodes is more than enough for what little plot and setup we got so far

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The show's been positively leisurely

foggy ruin
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Perhaps I have been too speculative then

fervent forge
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Who knows what's going to happen. They might try and milk an extra season before the movie, but given the overwhelmingly indifferent reaction to Mando s3 I hope they keep to goingbstraight into the movie, letting Skelton Crew and Acolyte and BBatch s3 fill the void

hybrid wave
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I'm so looking forward to Acolyte...

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What was Skeleton Crew again?

foggy ruin
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All I know is Jude Law is supposed to be in it

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And a Jedi I think

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I mean that he is supposed to be the Jedi

worldly dune
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Kid crew on a ship is my vague impression

slow frost
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set during the same time frame

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Rangers of the New Republic might've been planned to follow up on Ahsoka threads too but... well, we all know what happened with that one

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But there could still be an unannounced thing or two in there as well

grim nacelle
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iirc Skeleton Crew has been pitched as like a 80's Kid-centric adventure movie, but in Star Wars.

worldly dune
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Like the Ewok adventure movies

exotic coyote
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Hopefully

fervent forge
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Apart from the 2nd one killing off the family at the start making the first one feel like a complete waste of time, I remember liking them

exotic coyote
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Same

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Or at least, I remember them feeling like Star Wars

fervent forge
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They were actually released in the cinema in Australia rather than TV

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I don't know when in canon they take place, but I always pictured them as happening just before the Empire arrived to start Death Star II

exotic hare
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They build up to that iirc

ripe otter
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Wrong episode. You're looking for the Episode 5 chat.

alpine mirage
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figured

karmic shell
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I so hope if we ever get more star wars books we'll get psychometry as a tree

fervent forge
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Psychometry seems such a basic power to overlook

slow frost
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pretty far from basic, it's something only two characters can really do and only one of them existed when the books were published

worldly dune
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Battle Mediation wasn't much more widespread. Or Conjure, or Manipulate.

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I wouldnt call it an oversight, more being spoiled for choice when it comes to obscure powers.

thorn plover
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the trick with battle meditation, at least for FFG's sake, was that it had already been systematised by way of the old SW d20 stuff

worldly dune
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Maybe that's why it's so boringly done

thorn plover
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pretty much

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upside, it's not boring to read about when it appears in the high republic