Season 1, Episode 10: One Way Out
Aired: November 9, 2022
Synopsis: A rare opportunity opens and the time for Cassian and his fellow inmates to act is now.
Directed by: Toby Hanes
Written by: Beau Willimon
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#Andor - Episode 10 - Episode Discussion
tribal laurel
ripe verge
That was amazing
coarse charm
rip to the homie Kino Loy
peak spear
yeah sure, "I can't swim" hits like a truck, but "That could mean so many things" is a close fucking second LMAO
Deidra villain-monologueing about fish and nets while torturing Bix earlier, and by the end of this episode all the fish are escaping the "net" of the prison
coarse charm
When was the "That could mean so many things" line?
peak spear
the head tech in the command center says it when told to shut the floor off
by Andor + Kino
good bit of levity to break the tension, and totally something a nerd in a high-tension situation would say
on another note, what a reveal about the spy in ISB
saw plenty of people who had the impression that he was gunning for Dee-Dee's job, and that it was part of her story about what it's like in a cutthroat work environment
and it is, because the guy IS after her job, but it's also so much more
the show is so good at being economical like that; characters aren't wasted on being just one thing
deft sand
rip to the homie Kino Loy
I was so hoping the next words would be "Okay, you take something that floats, we grab five people and drag you out", but Andor being pushed into the water sidesteps that of course. I wonder if we'll see him again... hopefully not in an ISB chair, but he would be someone the Empire can get their hands on if they ever figure out the Keef link.
coarse charm
Ngl I like the impact of him being left behind to die
Gives more meaning to some of the things andor says in rogue one
deft sand
Also, I really wonder whether Kino realized he couldn't escape himself.
peak spear
I think he did
He saw the prison coming in, he knows what others say about their arrival
And I don't see any surprise in his face at the end, just a mix of relief and resignation
Plus, it's much more meaningful if he did what he did while knowing he himself wouldn't get out
tired ice
Most of the things he said to the prisoners in the cell block before heading out onto the work floor for the last time makes me think he knew what his ultimate fate would be.
Between “Let’s put our heads back in out cells and figure this out,” to “Me, I’ll assume I’m already dead,” to “Let’s make it look good” signal to me that he himself was doing some last minute processing, making peace with it, then resolving to put on a brave face for his men.
deft sand
Between “Let’s put our heads back in out cells and figure this out,” to “Me, I’l...
It's possible, though "assume we're currently dead" is probably a good state of mind in general for a revolt where many people will die at first.
(And of course it ties right back in with "Wouldn't you rather give it all at once?")
brave aspen
saw plenty of people who had the impression that he was gunning for Dee-Dee's jo...
i had kinda suspected he was a mole, but was surprised by his direct connection to Luten
tired ice
I don't think we'll ever get a final answer on screen, but I think that was sort of the vibe they were going for at the end with Serkis' expression. Elation for his fellows combined with quiet resignation. But until we see a body, we'll never know for certain.
blissful schooner
I'm sorry for the long post but:
Calm. Kindness, kinship. Love. I’ve given up all chance at inner peace, I’ve made my mind a sunless space. I share my dreams with ghosts. I wake up every day to an equation I wrote 15 years ago from which there’s only one conclusion: I’m damned for what I do. My anger, my ego, my unwillingness to yield, my eagerness to fight, they’ve set me on a path from which there is no escape. I yearned to be a savior against injustice without contemplating the cost, and by the time I looked down, there was no longer any ground beneath my feet.
What is... what is my sacrifice? I’m condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else’s future. I burn my life, to make a sunrise that I know I’ll never see. No, the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror, or an audience, or the light of gratitude. So what do I sacrifice?
Everything.
- Luthen Rael
ivory nexus
That's two in a row of setting kino up for a simple line that means very little out of context.
But packs a great punch in the moment
Also the end recontextualizes what "one way out" meant to him personally as he was leading the chant.
peak spear
So, Luthen's monologue
On the one hand, cool as fuck
On the other: people are enslaved, dying, living in fucking caves
And he's complaining about lack of recognition
blissful schooner
It was the answer to the question 'what do you sacrifice?'
basically his humanity and his life.
he's prepared to die knowing he's damned --- the devil couldn't have said it better
peak spear
His cover is a pretty damn good life, though
I think Saw had it right when he refused further association with Luthen; people around him pay the price
deft sand
His cover is a pretty damn good life, though
So is Mon Mothma's, if we disregard she's in an utterly broken marriage and might have to give her daughter to a mobster's son soon.
blissful schooner
Saw is also a fanatic too...he's probably had to do a lot of unsavoury things for his cause
peak spear
So is Mon Mothma's, if we disregard she's in an utterly broken marriage and migh...
Yes, exactly. Pimping out her daughter - that's sacrificing someone else.
blissful schooner
@peak spear oh yh that's dark
peak spear
Mon Mothma still got a ways to go before she internalizes that she can't lead a life of luxury and go all in with the rebellion
She's using the Empire's weapons, too. Like Luthen.
And the rebellion can't win by fighting with the Empire's methods
Theyre too few. They have to show the people of the galaxy that there's a better way to live and fight, to gain support
peak spear
Also the end recontextualizes what "one way out" meant to him personally as he w...
Like I said above, the show is sooooo good at doing one thing, on the surface, while setting up three other things using the same characters and scenes
Everything's a fractal
ivory nexus
Yep. And there are side questions I'd like answers to but at the same time I think the show is better for not spending its time answering all of them, like exactly what happens to kino.
blissful schooner
yh, we're yet to see how the factions become an alliance...i guess we'll see that in SE02
SE02 is supposed to follow the same 3-episode story arc format...except there will jumps of several yrs in between
deft sand
And the rebellion can't win by fighting with the Empire's methods
They can’t win, but I would argue that right now, not using those methods would mean an instant loss.
peak spear
peak spear
Yep. And there are side questions I'd like answers to but at the same time I thi...
Yeah, sometimes ambiguity is useful. Maybe we'll see Kino again next ep, or in season two, or maybe never. But his story would end satisfyingly here
wind falcon
“I can’t swim” nooooooo 😔
blissful schooner
Either way, his character ended better than Snoke.
peak spear
“I can’t swim” nooooooo 😔
Me to my Irish buddy: Wanna go to the public pool with the kids?
Irishman: Yeah but I can't swim, never learned it
Me, an idiot: But you grew up on an island!
olive elk
And he's complaining about lack of recognition
i wouldt even say he was complaining
the person asked him what he was sacrificing, and he answered the question
olive elk
Yeah, sometimes ambiguity is useful. Maybe we'll see Kino again next ep, or in s...
considering how powerful one's drive to live can be, if this is the last we see of him then its not unreasonable to believe he somehow made it to the shore, even if he didnt know how to swim. if its not confirmed he dies id like to think he lives
past oar
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/andor-tony-gilroy-talks-luthen-...
His description of Syril is interesting
dense tree
I was pleasantly surprised with Syril, as I was expecting full blown Javert from day one.
deft sand
His description of Syril is interesting
Yep. Not sure I agree with his assessment on what a fascist actually is or isn't (because IMO, if you're doing fascism, you're a fascist), but his description fits with my perspective of him - Syril would have been content in any system where he gets his precious order and recognition.
peak spear
oh, just realized - water saved Kino's life
during the start of the riot, he's still on the floor when it gets turned on, but the water shorts it out and keeps him from being killed
deft sand
hah, true.
peak spear
Also, and I don't mean this as cross-platform drama, it's so interesting to me that a bunch of people on reddit describe Mon Mothma contemplating pimping out her daughter as a sacrifice on the part of Mon. Like, the daughter does not exist as a character for them, somehow? She is the one who would be prostituted out, but oh no, that would be so hard for Mon Mothma? Very odd to me.
It's a price, not a sacrifice.
wind falcon
I got the vibe she was very against that suggestion
Oh. Forgot the “that’s the first untrue thing you said” when she said she wasn’t thinking about it. Mmph
deft sand
Oh. Forgot the “that’s the first untrue thing you said” when she said she wasn’t...
I mean, she undoubtedly is very against that suggestion. Time will tell if she's more against it than against her account shenanigans being found out by the Empire.
wind falcon
Right. I mainly meant solidly in the “It’s not gonna happen”
peak spear
there's only one way out doesn't mean you've identified the correct way, yeah
obviously, we'll see what happens
wouldn't be the first show to have its protagonists do horrible stuff
wind falcon
Wouldn’t be the first time in the show either, i feel
peak spear
yeah
in the interview I posted above, Gilroy talks about how important it is to treat even the awful people in the show as worthy of having their decisions and actions explored with honesty.
There has to be another term for walking in someone’s shoes. You don’t have to endorse somebody’s thinking, philosophy, sadism or whatever, but you’ve got to get in there and be with them if you really want to have a strong character.
wind falcon
Makes me kinda think of Syril in the beginning when he gets upset at how his commanding officer just dismisses the deaths
peak spear
the more I watch, the more I think he got upset because this was against "the rules" as he thinks of them, not because of the actual loss of lives
wind falcon
I can see it
peak spear
despite his actual age, the show presents him as existing in a sort of teenager space, with the cereals, living with his mother, etc
and his understanding of the world is childish, too - these are the rules, everyone's got to follow them, the end
no subtleties, no nuance, no complexity, nothing unspoken should exist
dude's gotta learn that the rules aren't the rules
wind falcon
despite his actual age, the show presents him as existing in a sort of teenager ...
His attempted interactions with Meero in ep 9
peak spear
yeah, there's definitely some overlap between wildly inexperienced, lonely, emotionally stunted, and stalker
wind falcon
He’s like…you see him the very first time, and there’s the uniform bit but you can be like “ok, seeking justice for those guys, I can see that.” And then he just progressively tips his hand more and more and it’s like “oh..oh no no.”
Meero was intended that way a bit as well they said, right? Cheer for her at the start and then fear?
deft sand
Meero was intended that way a bit as well they said, right? Cheer for her at the...
absolutely. The actor herself said the idea was to see her first as a woman in a man's world and then tip that over to a fascist in a fascist's world.
wind falcon
I guess I was just too ingrained in fearing the Empire people from the getgo XD
peak spear
both can be true
she's in a gilded cage, but it's still a cage
doesn't excuse her actions, but it's part of the picture
peak spear
My gut was wretched last night
jaunty marsh
I'm enjoying this show SO much.
I haven't been looking forward to episodes of a series like this since I don't know when... Honestly, I can't wait to go back and rewatch it.
stone stratus
ONE WAY OUT
ONE WAY OUT
just watched
that was
holy shit
me and the girls are losing our minds
peak spear
yeah it was nice one
stone stratus
And the rebellion can't win by fighting with the Empire's methods
I think there's interesting praxis discussion to be had here
stone stratus
despite his actual age, the show presents him as existing in a sort of teenager ...
incel ideology -> fascism
peak spear
yup
all that's missing is him being heavily active in certain online spaces where young men are radicalized
peak spear
I think there's interesting praxis discussion to be had here
yes, but since Andor takes places in a fairy tale world, it all gets a bit wobbly once you start drilling down
stone stratus
This is true! But I will say, you're right about the "building a better future" thing. But also, being realistic, no one will ever learn about Luthen or the ISB mole
peak spear
totally stole that insight from one of the novels
stone stratus
lemme guess
peak spear
uh, I think the Battlefront one with the Besalisk on the cover, which is about an infantry company during the later stages of the war
stone stratus
something about chemistry
peak spear
hm?
peak spear
yeah, that's the one
I think there are other exchanges in the novel that touch on the matter, too
dense tree
all that's missing is him being heavily active in certain online spaces where yo...
He comes across to me as very institutionalised, without having interacted with 'the real world' so to speak giving him a naiive, almost to the point of infantalised view of the world.
peak spear
Yeah, he's a man-child. Adult in theory, but treated in the manner of a child in important ways
I remmeber someone on here arguing that Kylo Ren was just a kid, and I was like he's played by a 35 y o actor, dude can't use that as
excuse
wind falcon
Kylo Ren himself is in his mid 20s-almost 30 in the films even, isn’t he?
Iirc, he’s supposed to be, like..23 in the Last Jedi flashbacks?
deft sand
Calling an adult person whose claim to fame is being the son of someone important a "kid" when they mess up feels very familiar.
peak spear
Calling an adult person whose claim to fame is being the son of someone importan...
Yeah that's often played as a... trump card
wind falcon
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Kenobi still did really well with themes, imo, even if there were a few questions on the more technical details, but hard to argue on Andor
dense tree
At the risk of pretension, I'm really enjoying it because it feels like 'adult' sci-fi, which is probably (without looking at the actual viewing numbers) one of the reasons (alongside content burnout) that folk aren't watching it as much as the previous shows.
Which is a damn shame, as folk like my father who detest Star Wars normally, but generally loves sci-fi is absolutely adoring it.
deft sand
AFAIK the "no one watches Andor" thing was a calculation error. The series isn't doing perfectly, but apparently well enough.
dense tree
AFAIK the "no one watches Andor" thing was a calculation error. The series isn't...
In my (limited personal experience) a lot of the folk I know who 'should' be watching it aren't, which is odd. Because when you're trapped on a ship for two or three weeks you tend to consume any content you'd even slightly like to fill the downtime.
peak spear
Military ship?
As for the audience: I love the show, but it's not one I can share with the young people in my life,,exactly.
But I dont know how that's viewed internally by the money people, of course. Reaching audiences you normally don't might be interesting for them, or it might be taken as a bad thing
I dont remember the name, but once upon a time there was an animated show with a predominantly female viewership, and it was cancelled because the show's marketing and associated toys were directed at boys, and the people in charge of things decided that was a bad fit
dense tree
Military ship?
Commercial. I was military.. but that was a long time ago.
That thing about the animated show sounds about right as well, which is irritating.
left venture
they should have carried kino ;-; i hope he finds another way out eventually
god, anything serkis touches turns to fucking gold i swear
peak spear
I mean, we don't SEE him die
but I do hope that this is the last we ever see of him, no further info, just keep us in Andor's perspective on that
stone stratus
As for the audience: I love the show, but it's not one I can share with the youn...
wait does this mean children or like young adults
stone stratus
god, anything serkis touches turns to fucking gold i swear
yeah holy shit! The moment when he doesn't get fried by the floor and you see the look on his face had me and the girls SCREAMING
left venture
RIP the one guy that still got fried he got did dirty
tired ice
didnt even stand a chance
Yeah, but the new guy was also the MVP. Literally the first few seconds on the floor, and without hesitating just say a prison riot in progress and said "Oh? We're doing this? Cool, I'm in." Ride or die Newman Ondaflor
stone stratus
so fucking true, we also shouted for joy for the new guy
dude's been transported to this terrifying place in the past what like six hours
and he's just ready to go
peak spear
wait does this mean children or like young adults
not adults; kids, teenagers
stone stratus
yeah okay, reasonable
peak spear
the younger ones are too, well, young, and the teenager isn't developed enough to appreciate the show and deal with the darker stuff
stone stratus
although I'm now considering how interesting it is that Return of the Jedi has sexual slavery in it, while Andor doesn't, but the latter is the grittier show 🤔 It's all about presentation and acknowledgement I suppose
peak spear
Andor has prostitution; line between that and sexual slavery is thin
stone stratus
depends on context, although in this context you're probably right
past oar
I'm looking forward to Meero realising the Empire has Andor in prison under an alias, discovering the escape, and coming to the conclusion that it was a deliberate plot by the Rebellion
stone stratus
I remember my friend making the joke that "The system works!" when they imprisoned Keef Girgo xD
deft sand
I'm looking forward to Meero realising the Empire has Andor in prison under an a...
I'd assume discovering the escape would likely come first - probably grab Kino, have him describe the "ringleader" and hear some very familiar descriptions.
deft sand
depends on context, although in this context you're probably right
Eh, the brothel was described as high-class and the madam explained both that the Kenari girl had "left" and that they had someone "here tonight" - sounds more like relatively independent escorts, so no more enslaved than workers in a capitalist system in general.
stone stratus
difficult to say tbh, I don't think we know from just that description
but you could be right
either way
also I exclaimed in joy when Cassian told the guys in the command centre to get on program
so good just for vengeance and also cause that's Cassian's character, as we've seen since episode 1
left venture
i appreciate the fact that the big menacing on program voice was actually the most weaselly cowardly sniveling nerd possible
a very "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" moment lol
stone stratus
I suspect this is the show trying to demonstrate the link between incel ideology and fascism - all these men are the sorts of men who are seeking to use the system to gain the power they've not had before
heavy lantern
god, anything serkis touches turns to fucking gold i swear
Petition to change Serkis's last name to Midas.
past oar
I'd assume discovering the escape would likely come first - probably grab Kino, ...
Thr only people who know Andor was the agitator are his work group, many of whom are already dead. The only ones who can say he was involved are the control room guards who before they get executed will tell the ISB that Andor was goading Kino to assume responsibility. It may be enough for the embeded spy to try and convince everyone that Andor is Axis
deft sand
Thr only people who know Andor was the agitator are his work group, many of whom...
Interesting idea, though I think the relationship between "the thief" and "the buyer" is pretty firmly established by now.
wind falcon
Idk why this thumbnail from SW Explained’s recent Q&A got a kick outta me
merry dirge
So general question, since Andor kept yelling how he was just a tourist before his jail journey and seemed surprised when that wasn't panning out for him.
Is there an implication that tourism laws in the Republic were actually rather lenient?
Or is it more Andor literally has no other defense and is kind of hoping it works?
ivory nexus
It's just his way of saying he wasn't involved in whatever was going on.
wind falcon
Which, as far as we can tell, he was right. He had nothing to do with it
merry dirge
Right the bystander call, just wondering as another server I'm in is having a discussion about it.
deft sand
Yeah, it's basically just saying "I have no relation to whatever local thing this is."
wraith saddle
This episode was good but man did it hurt my cold dead soul