#car-design-discussion
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Idk whats happening
I recommend changing ur password and use vpn
Nope sadly
🖤 💙
Looks nice ^
what decal would go nicely with gadabout inverted wheels
could someone actually make a preset with them ? on octane/dom or fennec
Streamline?
Hold up
Credit to my friends at pmrlr
are these the unpainted ones ?
Bottom yes
once i saw that boost and those inverted wheels i immediately got an idea that it's possible to make a "divine" like car xd
last design would be better if decal was able to have a different finish
otherwise it looks good
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Is the decal exalter?
yes
HOLY SHIT
ok
is it painted too?
I thot it was orange lol
no
What decal is that?
Thanatos
Thanks
What are all items on that, no trail or goal explosion needed, just decal wheels and boost please.
@manic shoal if you ever need a blue side and @fading walrus
Damn, nice
Orange Thanatos and wheels are tunicas
Ok, thanks
Boost is sunburst
Thought so but wasn't 100%
Any gale fire designs
dominus designs?
Storm watch designs?
I don't use it it was just a design
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can someone help me identify these wheels ? thank you
no
the black version of skyline wheels
does any1 have a design with unpainted rlcs x octane decal?
Trade dm
~tc
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Something clean?
Nice
also I want to make a preset with a painted octane since now I don’t like how unpainted octane looks without painted version
Maybe saffron
Thanks
I might try orange since it’s more darker
hey guys, does anyone have a simple and cheap black dieci design?
That could work
You have a specific price range car?
hmm
apart from the black dieci i think i would like a 1000c design
i am not sure what i am looking for lol
Yeh
Ok one sec
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Yo i wanna ask if my design is clean
But i dont have the option to send photos
its cause ur not lvl 5
Damn
i had the same problem
Thats sad ngl
Yea
Does anybody have a purple octane design?
Any desing ideas for a pink Chikara gtx
I don’t have any no
lmao
dieics are 20k alone
So, I was thinking about trying to make a design based off of the paint finish Glitter (from the 3rd rp so you can't get it anymore)
And it looks. . . "Interesting" on the aftershock-
I don't know why it looks like that
Similar to anodized? Yet- not really-
black oem
clean, what did you use
mb, its skyline wheels
Unpainted dune racer, primary is gold with annodized secondary sun damaged with darkest blue
i am buying that preset right now
sun damaged tradeable?
Sunburst I think
Yes but it’s better if you have grassy which is item shop exclusive
ok
is it in shop now?
ok
And I forgot to buy it so I use sun damaged
how much is that preset
What happened?
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Clean or nah
bad wheels lmao
Bruh they fit
Those wheels lowkey ugly
Bruh
Mid wheels
how much is that preset???
Oh it’s like 300
tunicas are hard to get if you don’t have them
300???
omg, i quit trading for like a few months, and now dune racer is 300
wow
before it was 2k
or 3k
Yea it’s unpainted dune racer
I’m pretty sure can buy for 150
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Any tw dune designs?
I kinda love this trail
red white and blue looks good
Can any of you guys tell me. The decals for the octane will they all go on the octane zsr as well?
If you mean universal decals (such as dissolver or interstellar for example), yes.
But, decals such as like Dune Racer, Island King, Lone Wolf, etc, will not.
There are specific decals that you can get for the zsr though-
Like, distortion, rlcs (not the same as the usual octane version-), funny book, jiangshi, and probably some others that I can't think of-
these are black neptune
not oem neptune
Me and the boys 💀
Hi, Is it possible someone can send me octane mainframe combos?
Breh
The wheels are fire but don’t look good on the octane.
Jealous
Bro same with me
Thanks for your answer, I really like gale fire i was hoping this might go on a Ozsr, does anyone kmow if it does
Sadly, it does not.
Eh. Not a big fan personally, only because the crimson dune racer doesn't really go with either team.
But hey, you do you pal.
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I really like that one
dang clean preset
any shisa combos?
Collab for a design tourney
Why i can’t send a picture 😭 ?
What wheels should i put on
Lvl 5 required
Bruh
If you want I can send for you, dm me it
water
Water
blood in the water
nice!!
wooder
question
i wanna use incantor boost and trail for this design. what colors should i get
yes
@thin arrow
Exactly
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Incomprehensible. May god have mercy on your wretched soul
any dune racer designs
Clean
can i get a combo for tw octane or tw fennec best one gets the tw octane tw fennec and 20k cr
what are colors for blue and orange team
unpainted dune reacer designs?
How can I get permission to post images here?
lvl 5 mee6
Don't remember it was like April when I made that
Decal is painted purple and crimson tho
noice
I have other designs but they are not tw fennec
Lime sb etc
My tw octane isnt anything special currently
I am trying to get the same color combination from the shisa to the Thanatos but can’t get it to fit well
Also tw octane would be nice to have
Shisa is cool
Those are default tunicas right?
I remeber when I got it from a trade up but sold it cause I needed credits
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I have shisa from the Athena pack
For mine yes, the shisa has decennium pro
Looooool
I didn’t like the pack tbh
I got it mainly cause of dueling dragons
Yea that’s the only thing that was worth getting it for
Or for I think it had black or orange yamane I think
Black
Tw luminous
Orange octane
Cert shisa
Orange standard
The wheels throw the whole set off
Yea i would say it was a good deal
But it didn’t spark my interest so I siding got it
Mhm
Anyone know of any wheels that look like the old season 3 champion wheels? I think they look sick.
@late shell if you want the build details lmk
Bds is throwing lmfao
ok
Oh what level of reward?
Thanks
The shisa ain’t mine design
How many times have you sent this design? its a good design :]
not being rude or else but do you know what sarcasm means?
Not really
search on google and u will know
The champion wheels, or the purple ones.
im being ironic bc that combo and shisa itself is so overused /overrated that is boring af thats why i said not being rude just my opinion
It is, I dont really seen people with it
I just want it cause it looks better than using darkest blue and sun damaged
Wait I saw someone post adesign saying that’s the closest they got to it
@surreal finch THATS SICK
thanatos has more secondary color than shisa does, that's why u can't make colors look same
Win a tw octane from where?
from me
how win?
Oh I see thanks for telling me
Oh well that’s nice
who ever gave the best design for tw octane and tw fennec wud get it
oh i gotchu
im still thinking bc it looks rlly nice but some other people r competing
I have an old tw octane design
@late shell
yes
No unfortunately
would a regular octane design work?
I have ps4
ye
noice
This design was the one I made I long time ago
i can still give u if i can dw
If I can what?
@surreal finch nice
i think it's original
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I still remember the time I saw those wheels and what came in mind
lmmao
Actually I remember I tried to replicate it
anyone got a boost thats not sun ray that matches this?
goldrush
ah yes an item i cannot get
you didnt say that

Use feathered maybe
golden comos?
It has white to match the tw fennec and gold boost
dont have it
ok
i havent been playing the game that long no before f2p shit pls lol
Sweaty car
any dune racer designs?
does anybody even sell it
What i have but just imagine it being crimson dune racer
ik ppl that do
oh
im not gonna buy it lmao
what
The car i send above your message but just change the decal to crimson dune racer and u got it
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so default sparkles works
now im looking at trail and i think thats gonna have to be white
or black
I got you
This is like 350 credits
probably lower
dang that’s nice
thats nice
Thanks
What wheels are those
rad rock clutch
Idk
I only really send it when people ask for it
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how do i get permission to post pictures in this channel
holy that is clean
Hey I’m looking for GOOD Dune Sherpa designs pleas give me some thanks
Show me some lol
anyone got good dune racer designs with unpainted octane
the dune racer can be painted
Fo real? This unpainted?
be rank 5 in the server
#looking-for-team @slow nest
Yh ik
well delte it then
well maybe no one wants to play with u
Who
just delete it so u dont get a warning
ouch
lmao
Who the hell is noone
nobody
Oh
man
Is That how it is
Nice english
ur names in another language lol
Not my design but what you think?
kinda nice i like it
One more question about decals if I may guys..I know that not all octane decals can be used on the ZSR thanks to a members info in here...but I have just read on the interwebs that all import decals can be used on the ZSR is this information correct?
I want to get my hands on some new decals but I don't want to trade if I buy and then cant equipt so trying to work out what is what.
most import decals are universal but some are not. the snakeskin decals for example are not universal but most cars have one of their own. i can tell you if a decal works on zsr or not i got bakkes to test it with if you like
I guess I prob should ask does anyone have a list of decals 2021 that do work on ZSR perhaps?
look up octane zsr rocket league all decals
wiki has a list
and then you can look up each decal you find cool on the fandom wiki to see if it works
this is exactly what I am doing🙂 and where I got the information on all imports will go on ZSR but because its info that people can adjust I wanted to make sure it was acurate coz wiki hahaha
oh yea wiki is good
my new fav design 😄
thats nice!! and I bet that doesnt go on the ZSR hahahah
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whats that decal
dune racer painted grey
Anyone have a good colour combo for purple dune racer?
Yea
Yoo have you decided who won?
Can you change the primary colors to what ever you want for that car?
yes
i was bored af
Good concept me gusta
@noble summit gracias
any dune racer designs
nah dune is for octane only, but theres a lotta grey decals that look cool on zsr
i sent one earlier scroll up
actually there's a dune for twinzer too but yeah
k
damm waht did u use
nope
ur totally wrong my dude
What cars most like the 16 batmobile?
@supple parcel here’s mine
Twinzer has its own duneracer
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Octane Only...
lmao
dannn
there's also twinzer tho as u saw
lol didnt know the twinzer is a car i dont even remember until someone tells me it exists... dont get why i need 3 pings to be reminded of it 🤣
grey dune
probably sentinel, same hitbox i think
can u buy me a cheap keyboard from amazon pls
wtf
no broke boi getcho money up
jk
but no ask your parents
he beggin in other channels no jk 
noice\
idk what color i want tho
i really want grey but im broke
kinda cool
i dig it
you could go black and have white accent or vice versa but idk how much either of those are
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Rl server got hacked lol
Yellow adds more elements than the red one
what are those black wehls
which trail/boost should I use
Crimson standard
too poor for that 😔
I wanna use crimson hack swerve III trail
but it’s hard to find sellers
Crimson hex phase should work well
ty
where can i get em
drops or trading, they’re really cheap and everyone uses them
cool people use black Veloces tho, unfortunately they’re way out of my budget
oof i've opened so many drops
how cheap are the cristianos
Only platform they’re like 150 - 250 credits
on my*
whats ur platform
pc
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oof cant upload my fennec
Blue
level 5 mee6
o
check ur level in #level-check
i got this
pffffft lmfao
Nice design but i dont have Any fricking Idea what that means
The red doesn't go with it well
This ones good
what's the boost that says "Ho Ho Ho"?
It means I am ready for the dance.
Ah ok nice
Ty man glad u liked the design
im 106
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@noble summit
Quick question :
Among all the og dlcs , how many didnt get their own reel life decal?
In another word , is the delorean last reel life decal?
..
Thanks
mantis is a great walmart batmobile '16 with same hitbox
Does it feel the same?
Oh nice I tried the 16 and it feels good but I doubt I’d main it so want a cheap alternative.
ah
Can someone help me with a preset for a tw fennec? (2000-3000 cr max)
Did you play in season 1 and get to gold?
Yeah
The gold decal with tw fennec and tw zombas looks nice
Tw zomba the heck is wrong with u (no offence intended) that thing is soo overused is boring now and any "designs" with them are nothing imo
Ik i used to think the same
Its just the only white wheels i happened to have on hand
Tw Dire is better
Im sure you could find something better
Hi guys! Someone can help me with interstellar design for orange team?
got one
someone help me create a new car design for octane please 950 credits xbox
Boost is crimson radiant gush and trail is hot rocks but u can change them for Crimson gernots or unpainted gernots if u cant get apex@civic atlas
Okay ty
np
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does anyone have clean/ tryhard designs for octane?
How can i post stuff here?
You need level 5
Ok tnx
all of them are so nice man!
the yellow one reminds me of the liverpool third kit lol
LOOL Tw striker dire wolf
Clean octanes that aren't tryhard imo but it's all the same either way
The ones from pros aren't mine obvs
MAVRO + Thanovic, then Evample2, then my reaperclub stocktanes
Last Tw one is cHargingDingle's preset 🤠
Some
ty
Random car design prompt for fun: Doomsday
how is that all black one possible to make?
Bakkes mod
oh then thats obv
Like my car design
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any pruple emeralds designs?
the streamline decal's pattern looks pretty cool with emeralds
What the fu-
How did u make that black car and the wheel
bakkes mod
and the other car is v1 decal
The all black goes hard tell me what you got on
bakkes
Makes sense
What decal
which car?
Ur mom 
First is white interstellar second is storm watch third is black lone wolf last is future shock
thanks
Yeap, nailed it, just orange interstellar instead of white
And Tw Future shock on dingle's white octane
i think black is missing in the minty one
but they are really clean anyways
poge
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neat but the white dom, topper, and black wheels aren't necessary
unless you're gonna do comp with it
in which case id totally use
Is this a custom decal?
man that decal looks clean
I'm kinda new to the game and I was wondering if there is a way to paint the car black?
No
Use paint finish grassy or sun damage with darkest blue or special decals
It's crl southern fg
Word?
I think
Does some one know the color combinations numbers?
How much does it cost if its tradeable?
Idk check rl insider
Southern
Well atleast you have a variety of color choices
what are the colours for the decal
he uses some weird shades
i tried every single one of them, and didn't find it
Well what’s the closest to it?
let me try again
I feel like it has to do with the paint finish
i deleted it, lol
i tried like 5 diffeerent paint finish
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i got rid of the topper
the tw dom and wheels makes it luck cleaner imo
this is it
literally no way of making it darker
That looks nice
how's that supossed to be sun-damaged?
@surreal finch nice car
What’s the colors you used?
6-7, 4-2 or 4-3
it's using pearl
I love how everyone plays a car with many details and i just take a dominus with stripes and cristiano
so it gets lighter because of secondary
Ok
this is what i play with
would be nice, it's a clean design
Ok thank you
What’s the name of the decal?
Looks pretty good
Jacktide
damn u store
i want crimson triton
to complete this without bakkes
Marine massacre
Ty
blood in da water hehe
np
interesting but i choose triton bc its from the sea like literally look the aquadome trailer
@noble summit I looked it up, green pink and orange tritons have come to the shop b4
but I don't think crimson ever
if a crimson one comes tho
and if you're on pc
that's why
then I'll give you 100 cr to help make u for the pirchase
im still waiting for it to appear on the shop
thanks!
np
but when it appears tho
lettuce pray to the psyonix gods
yep
sunless used a design like that and I want it so bad lemme find it
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It should be a grey octane I think
And try metallic Pearl I think
Yeah you are right
Nope
are you trying the bottom colours or the top colours?
lol
someone in here saw that i said i wanted the crl decal
they sent me a request before i got home
i hopped on rlg and they have those decals up for trade
Yea I think it’s metallic pearl but apparently it isn’t
Also what colour did you use here I really like that secondary
how to post designs in here?
lvl 5 mee6
k thanks
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I would buy tbh it’s a good deal
Or you could wait for crimson mainframe to be in shop
If it ever comes idk
with what money 😔
tmr the alpha cap giveaway ends gl to everyone
u2
ty
I got it
ok?
Guys what does it mean when certain items have striker on it...what does the striker stand for a particular colour scheme of shape or something? I have been doing some trading and I cant find out what the striker is on some items...I see people specifically asking for striker variant too
striker is a certification that’s the most expensive, and it tracks shots on goal
thank you for the explanation
it's much more expensive in the shop than to just get it
But atleast you can use the credits you already own than having to pay more money
true
Discord is not letting me post my screenshot here
you need to be level 5 in #level-check to do so. you can dm me your car and i can send it
@bold sapphire car design
White dom would look better
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Can some1 show me what black quimby looks like ?
You can view them on insider or using RLCD
👍
anyone got some nice tw boosts and wheels (for octane)?
If you used the most expensive item in each category how much would the most expense design cost? (Hope that makes sense)
striker tw dominus, alpha boost, striker tw eq (trail), alpha cap, goldstones, and for decal probably striker grey mainframe, engine sound motormouth
check the prices, i forgot how much some of the striker items go for
I think striker tw dominus is more expensive idk
xD
striker tw dom, alpha boost, striker tw laserwave (trail), white hat, goldstones, striker grey mainframe, muscle car sound
probably like 4.5mil total
4-5mil
That engine sound costs more than my whole set up lol. Thanks!
Striker tw dominus isn’t tradable 
Nice, thanks!
alright, didnt know there isnt a certified version
striker tw oct?
isnt eq tw worth more than laserwave?
Yeah eq is more
oh yeah, normal eq tw is worth more than striker tw laserwave
i have no clue, but its not big difference
total price is still like 5mil so 1k this or other way doesnt make any difference
well tw eq striker is selling for 100k so it is XD
but yeah if you got the credits for alpha set then you dont really care about it
since there are only 2 people selling it so they can say whatever price they want 
I don’t think it’s 100
Can’t take that as the value have to take a value it’s actually been sold at
doesnt matter, if they are a few people selling then they dictate the price, also if you wanna continue this convo, move it to #general
~tc
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Ikr
Crimson 3-Lobe Infinite.
Unpainted Chakram tbh or crimson Astro-CSX
Gonna try em'. 👍
If anyone have 10kcr budget for Dominus Design (both Team) msg me THanks
Crim chakram
Crim? Don't you mean unpainted
Chakrams might match. Crim Astro's maybe too
crim astro csx?
dont forget pink macaron antenna 🍞
i want some black market stuff like goals and decals i have alot
any ideas for a nice white boost (under 400cr)?
Might be best if you rephrase that next time, kinda looks like you're looking for a trade.
oh sorry my bad
No worries
Tachyon? Not sure if that's under 499
*499
Omg
lmao
**400
its 200-300
It might have some other colors in it tho not sure
tw tachyon is 200-300
tbh though im looking for a fully white boost
for example tw neo thermal
wdym
Comet is one
Like this
If anyone have 10kcr budget for Dominus Design (both Team) msg me Thanks(need more need more for idea)
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fav color?
crim sb lime pink purple
already got boost, goal explosion and trail?
boost and explosion have it already
ok
I did it a bit in a rush
But this is what I came up with:
wheels are not the best ones, but they don't look bad
if you don't like them, i'll look for other ones, tell me preferences
Maybe for the orange side these wheels would work, because of the little orange they have in them matching the gold color
this might work for blue team for obvious reasons
if match with animated decal ?
and this
thanks dude
I know the decal is ugly, but I'm still curious - any good designs with W.I.P.?
idk
really trash decal
good concept though
it turned out pretty good
top is Kana, bottom is WIP
i think WIP gets a bit cleaner "highlighter" look
yeah as long as primary/secondary are the same, and the color is super vibrant, it seems to look decent
yeah
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any black Reaper designs?
what is that decal
Crl southern fg
ohhh
Im at work
dang that one is clean asf
gib colours
It's not ugly 
give good preset then 😄
Gimme a while
ok
Framework is alot better but wip is still good
Give decal pls
southern
@inner crown car design
Wheels throw that off imo. What decal is that?
looks like tidal stream to me
Aye it is
haven’t seen that decal used in years
Cos it’s fairly shite
I like the wheels
If the blue on the body was a little darker it would look a bit nicer
The car color doesnt match anything. The primary should be darker. Like if the dingo was sb or cobalt
why cant i put my car design up do i need to do somthing so i can put it up?
change the wheels bro
they doesn't fit
still better would be lime color of car instead of blue
🤷
it’s not my car
Need to be level 5. Dm me ill post your design
cheers
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@inner crown I think sky blue hypnotics would be better
Or a more darker primary for the car
merc 😩
random design prompt: light up the night
need a new decal suggestion interstellar is getting old
heatwave
stipple
i had a galefire but was dum and traded it in
i will always regret it
another glitched wheel going haywire lol
i kinda wish these glitched wheels were a real thing
How do you connect your Spotify to discord?
lmaso
Or does it just show up when you Listen to music?
Go to settings then connections
Click Spotify and follow the steps
Oh ok thank you
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Rl fennec
Rl fennec
How you do that
it is yummy anc colorulfy
i would use it w out the topper tho
im a no topper kinda man, the dog and catfish are good ones tho
little dog is my man - 1300 assists with that good boy
damnnn

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what's worse is it's most likely meant to be a shibe lol
How do you guys get good shots of your cars?? Im on console there doesnt appear to be any in game camera where you can turn off your menus to give you a clean less distracting screen....seems kinds weird that a game which encourages car design doesnt have a photo mode
true
its sadly a pc only thing im pretty sure
idk what shots you're referring to but you could go in a private match and then take screenshots from a replay
What is? It's just using a replay, or using RL customdesigns

Thought it was actual build
Was looking nice. Dam near about to steal it
using a replay and then some settings
theres full tutorials on how to get the best pictures
I just told you that... It's pretty simple, doubt you need a tutorial to figure it out tbh
my bad, read your thing wrong
thought it was pc only but apparently its not
you just have to push the button to hide the replay menus
and i think there's like camera filters and shit
Can you zoom in on a replay tho? Didnt think you could, I thought you could only pan around a little. I tried going into a privtae 1v1 match but when you pan the camera around to look at your car and take a screen shot, the screen shot takes on orginal camera angle not where you have panned too 😢 does RL take suggestions for future content? Because in a game like this imagine being able to go into photomode on a replay and pan around (3D axis)and take photos from different angles it would be sooooo good.
I have found camera mode in most games like assasins creed valhalla for example awesome!!!
“Flex”
Yh :)
Where the alpha boost at
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and white hat
true
Can't afford it lol , only have a 220k inventory 🥺
I'll try to get alpha cap with my tw apex and bs reaper ge
only 😂
ive bought only 500cr and now i have 4k 📈
Will have to have another look but i bet its nothing like what Im suggesting would be good if it could be added. Cameras on photomodes on some games are unreal can freezeframe and 360 rotate around the subject mid acrtion shot.
If this is already in the game it would be amazing but I highky doubt it is to this degree but will check it out.
A rank
plat
freestyler
Baguette
Yh , a rich plat freestyler
Freestyle like flip reset musty / ceilling pogo musty /flip reset pogo
..
... ok 
can't tell if plat is supposed to be impressive or why you're trying to brag
how do u post imagesi n here
you need mee6 level 5
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Wich rank
:p
what wheels are those?
yes 🤣 clean designs
Thank you
I went for a double in 2s, but my teammate did the same, so it was a double touch 110kph teampinch
So ur telling me ur good at making car designs and playing the game, lol. Im not that good at both lol
It it was by accident anyway
Ahh but what rank r u
Im gold 1 lmao, but I dont do ranked a lot
Oh im plat 2
ik I can be higher if I want, ik how to do simple airdribbles, groundpinches, dribbling ofc, some basic flicks
Yea im still learning that lmao
I can do airdribbles, but im inconsistent at it, so I wont do these in matches yet
Me too
I do go for Kuxirs and ground pinches when im in a lead
rotations / game sense / scoring open nets > air dribbles and ground pinches



