vast light
I was playing in a custom arena made by a small streamer: https://lichess.org/tournament/uOimEiLd
In my first encounter against the account ruth29, I bersek'd, the position ended with a three fold repetition: https://lichess.org/pQZ31N6a/black
But you can check by clicking on my nickname (Oui_ouims) that lichess gave me 0 point instead of 1 point for a draw.
I do believe this is just a bug and not a feature but I'm listening.
olive pond
It's a feature known as draw streaks. You need 30 moves to get the point https://lichess.org/tournament/help
( blame the players who abused draw spaming for this )
vast light
I see thanks, then no bug but a feature, however I believe lichess poorly handled this because now I am the one being punished for playing 'normally', if your solution is punishing innocent, it's bad, there's no other way to put it. The solution should have been to give the point regardless of the number of moves and prevent draw offer before move 30 just like they did in irl otb chess in most tournament.
By the way, if this is a rule which validate, or invalidate the point awarded for a draw, why did my opponent get the full point for a draw, shouldn't it be 0 point for both? What did my opponent do better than I did to deserve the point and my the loss? seems completely broken to me..
olive pond
The abuse it fixes was players making fast draws to win the arena's
olive pond
so the fact that you got 28 moves is kind a unlucky. 30 is somewhat arbitery after all, apart from being a round number
olive pond
What question?
vast light
this is supposed to prevent people from winning arena making only fast draw and getting 1 point each time right?
then why isn't lichess preventing draw offer before move 30 instead ? that would solve the problem in the exact same way while not punishing legit draw under 30 moves
it would also makes it much more apparent that 2 accounts or more are colluding and fixing games
my question though, was, why did my opponent get the full point
when i got 0
we both drew
i berseked, i took more risk
why does he get a point?
olive pond
Sure, but the rule is about the result in the previous game
vast light
uh?
olive pond
I mean the faq explains the rule
vast light
i'm sorry but the faq is misleading and contradict itself
"Annuler la partie au cours des 10 premiers coups ne rapportera aucun point aux deux joueurs." > cancelling/drawing the game in the first 10 moves won't earn any point to both player
and then there's the table
Variante Nombre de coups minimum de la partie
Standard, Chess960, Horde 30
so explaining that drawing under 10 is meaningless if drawing under 11 also gives you 0 point
now, i understand the rule, but the faq doesn't say anything about why in this case my opponent got the full point for a draw and i got 0
shouldn't we both get 0?
can you explain why he got '1' and if you can't, is that a bug?
marsh shale
If you get multiple draws in a row in a standard chess game, each subsequent draw has to be at least 30 moves to award points. If you draw within 10 moves, neither player gets points
vast light
Thank you for looking into my issue @marsh shale but you are not answering my questions, I'll try to clarify:
I understand the behavior was implemented to prevent people from drawing quickly and getting one point for it, however, in my case my opponent got the point (1) while i got no point (0), if it were less than 30 moves, shouldn't we have been both getting 0 point? I did drew the game prior the game in question in this report, in 63 moves
hum so that is why my opponent got the point? because they didn't draw their previous game? This solution is unacceptable, the correct solution is to prevent draw offer before move 30, my two consecutives draws are perfectly legit and I just CANNOT be punished for it, it needs to be changed:
-prevent draw offer before move 30 in arena
-always gives the point when a draw occurs
-people in the tournament can check whether or not the draw that has been made were prearranged by the players or not and in this case you just ban the account.
well i hope lichess can find a better implementation against quick drawer, but I got my answers, thanks @marsh shale and @olive pond .
marsh shale
Thank you for looking into my issue <@889828595189551144> but you are not answer...
Your last point scored was also a draw so you are on a draw streak with the parameters I mentioned
marsh shale
hum so that is why my opponent got the point? because they didn't draw their pre...
And what’s to stop people from making 10 or 15 move draws by threefold
Consecutively