tactic to win back some material for black

[viscid plaza]

wow, nice tactic

[limber frigate]

Here it is

Oh black to move actually my bad

BLACK TO MOVE

[viscid plaza]

u can edit the post title

[limber frigate]

Nah i switched accounts hope that isnt a problem

Can u figure it out?

[unkempt sun]

tactic to win back some material for black

[limber frigate]

@unkempt sun could you also change the subtitle?

[viscid plaza]

no

[unkempt sun]

no all I can do is delete it if you want me to

[limber frigate]

Sure that works too

[split dome]

||unsure about move order but Qd4 Qxd4 Bxd4 Kh1 Be2||

atleast thats the idea

none works

idk if you placed too much material

[brisk night]

Hm not sure if that works

[split dome]

since puzzles usually have the same amount of material

[brisk night]

Yea this was just a tactic from a game

How do you hide text again

[split dome]

|| before and after

[brisk night]

Ok

||after bxd4 white can just block with the knight so doesnt work||

[split dome]

yea i know

thats why i asked if there is too much material

nothing else works

[brisk night]

There is something

[split dome]

not g5 stuff

[brisk night]

To win back material

[split dome]

Qxf6 would always work

[split dome]

Nope

lemme check with the engine rq

cuz there is nothing im pretty sure

[brisk night]

Idk what you mean

The engine finds it too

There is something im telling you lol

Its a few moves deep tho

[split dome]

?

[brisk night]

Yup thats it

Hide that tho..

[split dome]

its +3

lol

[brisk night]

Yea i said win back material

I ended up winning the game from down a piece

[white glade]

Oh so it's losing

[split dome]

yea

[brisk night]

Can you hide the picture

[brisk night]

.

[split dome]

theres no point in a puzzle if its still losing

lol

[brisk night]

Its still a neat tactic to win the knight

[split dome]

an exchange*

the eval bar is only going up and up

[brisk night]

Or get the rook ig for a bishop either way win back material as it says in the title

[white glade]

Yeah nah

[brisk night]

Nah what lol

[split dome]

Puzzles arent puzzles if they lose

lol

[brisk night]

Its a tactic f me

Then take away the white bishop if thats important for you..

Or actually that ruins it

Take away 3 pons or whatever

Yeez

[split dome]

then there are multiple winning lines

not really a puzzle either

[brisk night]

Do you even get the idea lol

The queen cant guard the white knight after g5

And rook e8

[brisk night]

The tactic would still be the best move

[split dome]

that doesnt really matter lol

it would be a different tactic

[brisk night]

Its a tactic to win material idk what to tell you lol

[split dome]

because the same moves dont apply

[brisk night]

Nah they do

[split dome]

if its losing, its not really worth anything

[brisk night]

Guess you dont appreciate tactics then

[split dome]

here its Bd4, in the other one it was Re8

[split dome]

I appreciate good tactics

this one doesnt count toward it

[brisk night]

Okay then take away the other bishop

Or the 3 pons on the right

Or give black a knight on g8

[split dome]

then its -7 and Be2 isnt even best anymore

[brisk night]

Something would work

[split dome]

then the rook on a1 would hang

[split dome]

would still only be a draw

because now after Bxb7 your rook is trapped

[brisk night]

Thats not the idea tho

Rook e8 instead of check

So the original position with black having a knight on g8

[white glade]

Since when did we care about winning back material

[split dome]

you said "Be2 would be the best move", Bd4 is the best move

why are you argue against something you used as an argument before?

[split dome]

winning back material really matters when youre losing

[brisk night]

Yea cause you removed the bishop

[white glade]

Only sometimes

[split dome]

It wouldnt matter anyways

lol

[brisk night]

The knight could block

[split dome]

yea

I know

but not after you remove the bishop

[white glade]

Idk man let them fix their puzzle on their own

[brisk night]

Yea as i said forget that point

[split dome]

hes not gonna and still call it a puzzle

[split dome]

if it would be that easy politicians would have an easy life

[brisk night]

Man you must be fun at parties

Im out

[split dome]

"forget i was being racist 2 years ago, vote me"

[split dome]

and you would call 2 people over at your place a party

[white glade]

Eh I have some interesting semi puzzles that clearly state that they are not decisive in terms of objective eval

That engine line is funny as shit and just check it out for entertainment purposes, cuz it is never gonna be findable

[split dome]

Bxb7, you lose another knight

Be2 c3 and now there are multiple winnings lines again

[limber frigate]

Im too lazy to change the board on sandbox

The idea of the tactic would still work somehow im sure its not impossible to make equal material without it disappearing

[split dome]

it would, but only after some engine line

[limber frigate]

The point is to find e2 which you didnt

Now bye

[split dome]

I did

i just immediatly pointed out it didnt work

/ didnt win

[limber frigate]

Well it does win back material

Queen f4 was a blunder from white

[split dome]

it doesnt matter if you still lose the game

lol

[limber frigate]

Okay

[split dome]

for example, this would win material too, however still lose

what a tactic

[limber frigate]

Its not beautiful tho

[split dome]

Be2 isnt either

lol

[limber frigate]

Its not easy to find

[split dome]

Be2 is a simple "well im attacking 2 hanging pieces"

[split dome]

its pretty easy

[limber frigate]

Yea but the knight is still guarded by the queen

So the rook moves

Then you attack the queen twice and it cant guard the kniht anymore

[split dome]

queen is harassed within 2 moves

[limber frigate]

Yea well you didnt find it

[split dome]

if a 2 move combination is beautiful to you then idk

[split dome]

i literally did

[limber frigate]

No?

You said a different line and then looked up the engine

[split dome]

Ive said Be2 Qd4 ideas, just unsure about move order as everything still loses

lol

[split dome]

Ive said Qd4 Qxd4 Bxd4 Kh1 Be2, unsure about the move order

[limber frigate]

You said this

[split dome]

unsure because Bxd4 Ne3

[split dome]

yea

[limber frigate]

But the knight can just block the second check

[split dome]

clearly mentioning Be2 lol

[split dome]

thats why i said

unsure

lol

because everything else

still

loses

[limber frigate]

Yea well thats not the definition of finding the tactic

You got the first move but not the idea

Im done now you are giving me a headache

[split dome]

The definition of a tactic is to have an advantageous position afterwards

[limber frigate]

Bye

[split dome]

Lol

[split dome]

have fun being wrong

i guess

[limber frigate]

Not really

[split dome]

I did

man you really dont know chess

it seems

[limber frigate]

You failed to find the second move for black..

Attacking the queen with the pon

[split dome]

my goal was to find a winning position, you dont analyze some lines if its clear that white is still winning in them

[split dome]

please learn to type pawn

[limber frigate]

Im going offline now bye

[split dome]

you seem to be new to puzzle composition, but please listen atleast

[limber frigate]

Check out this totally different now puzzle

Black to move to gain a big advantage

[split dome]

there are still multiple winning moves

[plain river]

Be2