remove bugles from **VIP** emphasizing VIP because people keep thinking to erase all bugles?????????

[vocal belfry]

It was a bigger mistake on top of a big mistake

[potent glen]

idk i think they should make them the world bugles so I can see it on the top of my screen tbh

[vocal belfry]

[rugged kettle]

The ones that are only viewed on the bottom bar can be muted if you don't like them. The ones viewed at the top of the screen are not included and must still be purchased I think it's fine the way it is now.
If the bugles bother you mute the chat type in your Menu>Options>Game>Chat>Horn

[vocal belfry]

I already knew that. That's not what I was saying.

[rugged kettle]

Elaborate more then? It will help the CMs to communicate what the bother and to decide if there's anything that can be adjusted in the future if others agree it's a problem

[small abyss]

To be honest I like having more people using them and at the same time I don't. In one way it seems to bring more life to the game but in another way it could get out of hand?

I have mixed feelings about it.

I don't feel it's 100% a mistake though so I can't agree with this feedback.

[atomic idol]

The real mistake is not making the bugles have a usage cooldown. And due to that and how easy and cheap they are to get/buy, there's ppl out there that spam just for the sake of spamming.

[bright osprey]

there's no need to elaborate, remove bugles from VIP period I agree. it was stupid to enable spamming, horn chat is just p2w area chat. annoying, unnecessary and i'd prefer to have something more useful in place of bugles

[drowsy root]

Just give a Global chat instead of Bugles (which is how they are currently used). sure it will get used for memery and fun posting but it can be better regulated color coded and /muted by players.
Just adding a timer to bugles (slowmode basicly) would fix the spammers and reduce the endless sea of red text. I'm quite fond of bugles imo but i was also still using/buying them when they were 200-300k each instead of 5k gold

[small abyss]

I think a global chat could be a nice idea. I think the one part I like is it just makes the game feel like less dead.

[drowsy root]

its fun being able to interact with larger groups of people without the severe lag/chatbloat from parties of being in ch1 dunbarton and just occasionally adverting shops/parties/etc. So the idea of them being completely removed is bleh? Even having a timer added will make chats less full. as it stands like with all things people get the idea to ruin/abuse something and it gets taken away.

[small abyss]

Yeah I kind of think a cooldown isn't the best idea. Maybe 10 secs at most. I kind of wish there was a way to keep the bugles in VIP or just make a global chat free to everyone. I don't know but yeah it is kind of cool as long as it doesn't get out of hand.

[high nova]

FFA global unrestricted chat would lead to the same fate as ch1 dunby square - incl. bot spams

[drowsy root]

thats fair. another okay fix would be to make the VIP bugles untradable. that would fix alot of the spam by people buying bugles to cause problems? and it keeps them out of bot hands

[rugged kettle]

P2W =Pay to Win
What is being won besides friends or enemies by talking in chat? Not elaborating on what exactly you find to be the problem does nothing to find a solution.

Global Chat for free?
See now this version of the feedback I can agree with. If they removed the bugles but added a global chat then I'd see no issue with it. But otherwise just saying they're a mistake? I don't agree.
I haven't been on this week so if chat bots are the issue then that's another matter entirely. Nothing to do with the horns and everything to do with the poor chat monitoring.
Being able to right click a name in the chat log and blacklist it like that would be better than having to type in the name or see the bot to right click.

I like being able to talk with people, so a bugle that let's me find not-afk people on all channels is great! If the chatter annoys you, or it annoys you that you can't join in without paying 5k gold to a player then that's a you problem not a spam problem. If it's religious spam that's a them problem, which I can easily imagine considering past history, and it needs to be easier to mute specific players.

To the GM's here's my thoughts. Please make the blacklist more user-friendly and simple. Both in chat blacklist and character visibility blacklist.

[earnest bobcat]

add global chat and just have bugles make your next message bold or something like that

[bright osprey]

yeah, you pay for VIP and receive bugles? pay to spam. the fact everyone got VIP for free just compounds the spam issue.

[rugged kettle]

Do you think the spam will be lessened when not everyone has vip? And what are your thoughts on a global chat if just having people with access to such a feature bothers you?

[rugged kettle]

Kms... Kina! I was trying to defend the system and you're the problem!?! Lmao 🤣

[vocal belfry]

While this is true, bugles don't serve a purpose except a one time shout out. People will advertise one and done. Other than that, it either rots in their inv until expiration, or they do silly stuff like this. Bugles as a whole was a nuisance and a poor method to advertise in the game.

[rugged kettle]

Ok point has been made, but also I'm asking this for future improvements, would allowing for more easily adding people to a chat blacklist make this less of an issue for you?

[vocal belfry]

I've seen some solutions as a global chat.... but also that is something I dislike. I do think a cd on bugles would be good to decrease instances of that above. There is also a bulletin board for advertising.... but that's also party advertising.... so that idea would be dead on arrival.

[rugged kettle]

See I wouldn't be using bugles for advertising I'd use them for being bored and wanting to make friends. So I can agree that the cooldown could work but 1min at most though. Otherwise it's ONLY purpose would be advertising. I think I'd prefer a free global chat that isn't automatically the first chat you see 🤔

[vocal belfry]

I rather not see global. Maybe a channel chat cause if it spanned all the channels, it would either slow down the game, or you can see a lot of arguments and harrassing and the person who is targeted can't escape. I guess put a cool down on that idk.

I also think 1 min is too short. 3 min maybe.

[rugged kettle]

Nah. You can mute the horn chat if it bothers you that much. 3mins is too long considering it's so easy to mute from your ALL chat tab.

[bright osprey]

yes absolutely, i think when the entire playerbase doesnt have dozens of items to spam messages there won't be as much spam. that's not a hot take, that's just logic. not everyone in this game pays for vip or wants to spend mils on bugles

if nexon wants to give us an active global chat, then give us a global chat everyone can access equally, don't lock it behind a paywall. it's annoying seeing everyone spam, but its kind of worse knowing people who paid for the premium service will still get to spam a global chat and people who don't pay for the service will just have to voyeur. also, as someone who does pay for that subscription, i'd prefer to have more useful items in my VIP rather than a useless item that just facilitates spam, or at minimum, just less of them. (a whole day just for bugles and exploration exp? really??)

also i like horn chat, I don't want to have to mute it because everyone and their grandma is posting dumb messages 24/7 and completely ruining the value of posting anything in it to begin with. it will get better over time as free VIP runs out/people get bored, but then the people who have VIP just end up with more trash in our inventory

[humble swift]

instead put a cooldown then removing the whole thing

[small abyss]

I also pay for VIP and I really don't think the bugles are such a bad thing to have in VIP. I was able to find people who were not AFK and meet some new people because of it so I guess for that reason I am not for having them removed.

Also as far as a cooldown goes. 3mins is far too long and I even think 1min is too long. Maybe 15 secs tops.

The game feels less dead and it's a chance to get to know more people so please don't remove the bugles.

[rugged kettle]

I think 1min is also far too long tbh

[bright osprey]

I'm not against having a global chat where you can talk to people, I'm against locking it behind a paid subscription/NX. bugles are currently NX/VIP only items (or you can buy them for gold on AH from other players who spent NX), in essence paywalling global chat. it seems like nexon just wants to get people hooked on the bugle supply so that they can keep swiping to post stuff in bugle chat and im not a fan, i'd rather just have a free to use server chat like most other mmorpgs.

part of the appeal of bugle chat (for me) was that it was very slow so I always caught the messages, now I just don't see the point in using the chat at all. like i said it will probably chill more after the universal free VIP is gone, but i still think it's sad that people who don't pay for bugles will just have to watch and can't participate anymore.

[small abyss]

I agree with wishing it was a free to everyone global chat. Like for real. I made a friend from this so I am all for it.

Maybe some how bugles can go back to being slow with a cooldown and..

Just add a free to all global chat.

[nocturne anvil]

I like bugles and find them entertaining personally :D And if it really and truly bothers you, you have tools in game to not see bugle chat so I dont really see a problem with having them personally

[rugged kettle]

I think the added point is that the people who are bothered, aren't as much bothered by the spam as they are that they can't take part?

[vocal belfry]

I have months of vip. So that's not it

[rugged kettle]

It is for some of these comments. Hence why I said "added point" lol

[bright osprey]

i believe everyone who has contributed so far pays for VIP, but i could be mistaken

[rugged kettle]

ah let me change my wording then. "Aren't as much bothered by the spam as they are that not everyone can take part" basically the same thing.

[bright osprey]

personally I still hate the spam, it ruins the point of horn chat if everyone is spamming it sucks the only solution is pretty much just "turn the chat off"

[drowsy root]

most of the people who are just maliciously spamming it i just add to my chat blacklist. it fixes alot of those issues lol

[high narwhal]

I think bugles have brought out the worst in people and i hope that if its still bad after free vip is over that they add a cooldown/limit its not healthy for the community imo, i think it only takes a few people to ruin things, theres a reason we never got the visual chat feature from kr

[gleaming jay]

We have too small of a moderation team to handle Visual Chat imo. That's not so much an issue of differences in playerbases and moreso an issue of team scale. I'm sure its abused in Korea from time to time.

[radiant lintel]

make it untradeable

[rough eagle]

atleast a cooldown cuz.

[small abyss]

It's sad that people like that got to mess up what could be a really nice thing.

[rugged kettle]

yeah... probably if it weren't a matter of the bugles expiring they wouldn't have a reason to spam and burn them?

[high narwhal]

that shouldnt be the problem they can just expire theres no need to use 100 of them in 5 mins if theyre about to die just let them die 👍

[rugged kettle]

no i agree but also it's like an excuse "well i gotta use them up! hate to let them expire" kinda thing. not everyone would use such an excuse but some would

[small abyss]

Or just make a free to everyone global chat. Won't have to worry about stuff rotting in anyones inv or expiring.

[rough eagle]

I think the fix is just put a cooldown

[manic thorn]

Even a 30 second cooldown is better than what we have now where people are ctrl+v-ing so fast they sometimes send out a bugel that's just the letter v and nothing else.

Mabi's in-game moderation is abysmal to non-existant in terms of poor player etiquette so people will do whatever they want otherwise

[hot meadow]

I'm gonna bump this because I agree whole heartedly there needs to be a 30second-1min cooldown for bugles. We have a cooldown for logging out after running missions and amongst other things that go on for a minute, so this should be fine.

With the the 30second-1minute cool down people will still be able to advertise their buying/selling and streams just fine without spamming. I don't appreciate people bugling the same thing multiple times in the course of a few seconds, especially when we can *literally read.*I think once or twice is enough to advertise something.

I've had bugling turned off for a long time since Cyberjoel was spamming bugles, but for those who like to keep bugles on and utilize them frequently, I can see how this is very irritating

[runic forge]

while I'd still want them removed from vip I think having an accumulated cooldown would be good

where it doesn't prevent you from using multiple in a short amount of time but after like 5(20 minutes each) you'd be locked out for after reaching 100 minutes until the cooldown was cleared

to prevent single user from spamming it ( but with room for people to have some fun )

[rugged kettle]

20 mins each is insane. I've had convos with bugles from people asking questions. To limit that to only 5 messages limits the help they can get.

I think there can be 30 seconds at most. Or the people with few friends won't be able to reach out for answers as easily.

What about a timeout ban of 2 minutes if you use over 10 bugles a minute?

Can log people out and be in general annoying. Can a system like that be implemented?

[crisp jolt]

just add them to friendlist and chat there?

[manic thorn]

you dont even need to add them

[rugged kettle]

lol yes i'm aware but many people have settings turned off so only friends can contact them like that.

[prime raven]

i have to say that this post is biased. most games have world chat for FREE. the reason we are having issues isnt from bugles. its because ppl spam. i used to pay 700k per bugle for my flash sales or buy them with nx. the vip update has been a lifeline. just because u want to be treated like a princess and have nexon remove them for ur complaints doesnt mean thats the right way to go. we can have more constructive critisism like: why are those ppl spamming not just blacklisted. why are the people complaining not just blacklisting the spammers or disabling chat?? personally speaking if bugles are removed, a world chat would have the exact same issues and people would just complain about that too? can i also state the fact that ppl complaining about bugles havent once brought up the FL and BL share limit issue? if bugles are removed from vip i will be upset

[small abyss]

I think that is a good point about the friend list and blacklist share limit. I wish that would change. Another good point is that yeah most games have a world chat for free so why doesn't Mabi? Also adding a cooldown will make it harder to have a nice conversation.

[runic forge]

gotta be honest talking about wanting to be treated like a princess while demanding the right to shove your messages in other people's faces to other people's attention is just a bit hypocritical

also even if there was a global chat people would just do what they're already doing which is using discord

people abusing the bugles even being somewhat solvable with blocking is something far too limited when they're aiming to reach more players with eternity which for just mean more people to potentially spam bugles

that limit is going become a bigger problem assuming that eternity is at all successful

also the topic of bugles being allowed to que in and then spam you after coming back from being afk

back to back for a ridiculous amount of time
this queing has no good reason to be allowed to exist

and makes the issue far worse

[rugged kettle]

You realize they didn't say they wanted to be treated like a princess. They said that those who are complaining and want them removed are wanting to be treated like a princess.

They said that we as players need to give more constructive critiques of the system to get the best fix possible for everyone. There's nothing hypocritical about that.

Online games = there will be spam and trolls. It's an online thing, not a bugle thing.

Also apologies, I don't see the queuing comment you're referring to. Was a comment deleted?

[runic forge]

nah it is a part of the game that a cooldown wouldn't fix

often you can came back from doing something else and have the game spam you hundreds of qued bugles that you were not there for so it just didn't play them until you got back

[rugged kettle]

how often does this happen to you? Sounds like a bug that needs to be addressed. I've never seen that amount of bugle spam? and i afk/leave my mabi up all the time.
*not upon making a first non afk action i mean

[runic forge]

quite often and I've had friends getting boiling over upset that at the non stop spam

[rugged kettle]

Do you minimize the mabi window during the afk period?

[runic forge]

aye, fairly sure it only does it when you minimize

[rugged kettle]

ok, so that's why i never see it since i don't minimize. hmm yeah that sounds like a serious issue with the bugle system that needs fixing. Have you put in a bug report for it? If not i'd reccomend doing so. I'll also experiment a bit and see if it's reproduceable on my end to add to your report

[runic forge]

its not a bug its a "feature"

[rugged kettle]

😄 the only difference between those is intentional or not. And even if it's a feature, if it's something that you as a player don't like. It's good to add it to either feedback or bug report as it's own thread so our cms become aware of it

[runic forge]

it always does it and most players would be familiar with it already even if not all of them knew that is exactly what they were seeing

it just looks like rapid bugle spam but it is just the accumulated bugles from however long

and it is absolutely cursed when people spam it and the que makes it so you can't just minimize and wait it out

[rugged kettle]

It doesn't sound like that would be an intentional thing to me. I still think you should put it in the bug report because it may have never come up as an issue because not as many people had bugles back when it was first implemented

[runic forge]

there have been similar feedbacks before about the game just puking rainbows of useless visual stimuli at you that make the most useless things as if they need your imediate attention

[rugged kettle]

Even if those other things haven't yet had a fix done about them, doesn't mean that there's no reason to bother reporting about this one.

[runic forge]

the thing is they kr-side they have talked about improving both this and previous issues

the problem is as usual it often takes nexon a year or two to get around to doing the things they promise

[rugged kettle]

And taking time to get stuff done when there's other stuff also getting done before that... is an issue?

[runic forge]

while to some extent it is probably just an excuse its been said that the games' engine is falling apart at the seams and wasting a lot of development time trying to make room for other changes

they've gotten better at doing better updates but nexon has a habbit of they'll get something out a year later, botch it and then we can be sure it'll be another year before they make another attempt sometimes leaving things worse than when they started

[rugged kettle]

And again... there's a new engine on the way. So your complaint about "things take time" isn't much of a help in addressing the bugle spam issue. It's important to give as much info to the CMs so that they can bring our concerns up to the programmers in KR so that the issue will not be reproduced on the new engine. A bug report will help this.

[vocal belfry]

Yes, having an opinion is biased. Same as your post about what you want but I digress.

Bugles are not a form of global chat. It's a form of announcement. Another thing that a lot of games have outside of global chat. They're two separate things.

Also adding "treating like a princess just because I want it removed" is weird cause you want it to remain. Are you suddenly a princess for wanting to keep it?

And with a post over 60 messages, there is a discussion going on which you just entered and claim there isn't one?

[rugged kettle]

lol in fairness on that last line... several people have said "no need to elaborate" and "they just need to be removed. Period." So trying to pull a discussion out of both ends to get more indepth critiques of the issue has been a little difficult.

[runic forge]

the happiest in between is allow everyone to be able to turn off seeing bugles and allow people to scream into the void while no one hears them

[rugged kettle]

isn't that what we have already?

[vocal belfry]

That's on them. But people have been expanding on the idea with new ideas. This discussion hasn't ended. And just as Meteor strike said "on being upset if they will be removed", people don't like bugle spamming and makes them upset. So there's two sides to the coin. Whether people are receptive is on their own

[vocal belfry]

You can do that. We been having that option in settings.

[barren oar]

I think maybe a problem with bugles is lack of moderation, if people got dinged for spam they would probably spam less and maybe use the bugles more respectably? As a placeholder blocking with the in options chat to get rid of some of the main spammers has been serving me well, bugle chat has been fine since.

Otherwise, using a lot of bugles in a short while (maybe 10 within 30 seconds or a minute) could get you chat muted? That would be more developer work probably though.. its a thought

[runic forge]

now if only the setting worked like expected rather than seeing the announcements anyways

I always keep them turned off and I always see them anyways

[rugged kettle]

which ones are you talking about seeing anyways? the horn chat is the bugles that are in the vip which don't "announce" at the top of the screen. And you need the settings like this.

The horn chat doesn't work for the bugles that announce at the top of the screen, only the ones on the bottom. But the blacklist does block those.

uncheck Hide channel if you still want to be able to tab over to the chat and still view it but only when you want to. Default Channel is to hide it from the All chat. If either of those aren't working for you then you might need to do a repair installation or report a bug

[prime raven]

global chat is basically bugles right now. theres little to no diffrence if they implemented one despite a on or off button. but guess what bugles litterally have an on and off switch. and yes. complaining to have nexon cater to u is u being a princess. not the other way around defending nexons decision lol but tldr yes there needs to be a cooldown or managed usage. not removal >_>

[prime raven]

"personally speaking if bugles are removed, a world chat would have the exact same issues and people would just complain about that too?" - me Thanks for repeating what i said 😦 also i get theres people mad for having to go to options and turn it off. its not exactly common knowledge either tho :/

[vocal belfry]

I don't get why you have to devolve a conversation to name calling and emotional push. Don't you think when you start that, it won't progress into an unconstructive spiral?

[prime raven]

its not a conversation if ur taking one side tbh. but sorry to offend you

putting cooldowns or manage would definitly be gray room. i think thats the way most people wanna go

[vocal belfry]

It's not a conversation to have an opinion? Than why talk? Just to hurl insult?

[prime raven]

u can have an opinion but its on the far side of not caring about the other side tldr... but yeah. i see ur offended so lets just stop :/ we need to have construction not destorying ones opinion about removing bugles like its the only option xD

[vocal belfry]

I guess having an extreme opinion makes it fine to hurl insult cause it made you upset. Cool.

[prime raven]

i appreciate ur convo point but i dont think u need to be this hurt over it... thats sort of why this is a 33 thumbs up 14 thumbs down post. its not a simple answer

[prime raven]

also ty for clarification. i really just would hate to see the game going back to how it was with no bugle chat xD

[bright osprey]

im glad to see people are agreeing with me on this. bugle chat was ruined with this update. give us a free global chat if you want people to spam

[bright osprey]

huge agree, i really liked bugle chat because the worst offenders like cyberjoel you could just blacklist. when everyone is spamming you can't just blacklist it, your only option is to completely turn off the chat which sucks.

there is no benefit to using bugles now. anything you say gets spammed out, and no one is saying anything of value and interesting advertisements like streams, people selling items, etc (the original purpose) doesn't work anymore. adding them to VIP was bad, but adding them to VIP, giving them no cooldowns, and giving everyone free VIP just made an issue that already existed even more apparent. global chat, area chat, whatever you want to call it exists for people to spam and post cringe, this just made bugle chat a p2w area chat which is gross for reasons I've already explained multiple times in the initial parts of this thread @prime raven i'm not sure why you're so aggro about people being able to ctrl+v and spam freely with no moderation but go off

[prime raven]

"but tldr yes there needs to be a cooldown or managed usage. not removal >_>" " putting cooldowns or manage would definitly be gray room. i think thats the way most people wanna go" ( my quotes in this chat) thanks for 'reading' my viewpoint @bright osprey if ur gonna put words in my mouth actually read pls and ty! also

ive met many people that are making new friends and content runs from this free bugle system. also we have people doing sales (like me) to say no one is saying anything of value is definitly biased. YES THERE NEEDS TO BE MODERATION?! people are toxic cant cant control themselves! also i say again bugle chat and world chat serve the same functions. just one has a more clear on and off switch (being world chat) also how is adding bugles into vip p2w? i used to pay 700k a bugle to do flash sales for people. stack that times 3-4 and uve got millions of gold riding on wether people come or not. i would buy the free baltane bugles, so this was prior to update when 'no one used them'

one more thing too "no one is saying anything of value and interesting advertisements like streams, people selling items, etc (the original purpose) doesn't work anymore." "this just made bugle chat a p2w area chat" idk wym...

[bright osprey]

'how are bugles p2w' they are only available via paid service or NX even if you buy them on the store for 700k they are NX items

[prime raven]

u get them for free in baltane. ppl farm that and sell them

[bright osprey]

people aren't farming them enough in baltane to compete with people who have VIP

[prime raven]

yes but if we 100% remove bugles we will have to go back to that sadly

id much rather pay 1 gold than 700k. same goes for people that just want to find friends or content runs :/

[bright osprey]

I'm not saying remove bugles if you would 'read' what I said previously... I said it's gross that bugle chat is p2w now and spammed out by people who pay for the service, when the free VIP runs out. I also said, multiple times, I'd rather have a free to use server chat like most other mmorpgs if Nexon wants to give us something for people to spam in.

[prime raven]

free server chat would be the same issue. assuming it has no cooldowns. also this chat is actually argueing to REMOVE THEM FROM VIP lol

[bright osprey]

Bugles can already be effectively "removed" if you just blacklist the chat. Also, I personally would LOVE for them to be removed from VIP service and something more useful in its place, but I don't care about that nearly as much as bugle chat being unusable.

[prime raven]

exactly 🙂 also free vip has been gonezo for awhile now. ppl get 100+ a account on a specific day. theyre not going to become p2w... if anything they were p2w before lol

[bright osprey]

P2W = Pay to Win, wherein you pay real life money for a service in exchange for in game items so you can outcompete people who don't pay for them

[prime raven]

u know bugles are like free rn right? lol and not from me buying vip. theyre tradeable...?

[bright osprey]

There is no way you can farm baltanes enough to keep up with the amount you receive from VIP, even just on Mondays, and they last all week? Is anyone actually farming 100 bugles worth of Baltanes? I can guarantee the worst offenders in bugle chat are going to be people with VIP.

[prime raven]

no but by paying 700k+ each there wouldnt be people spamming. and that way it is litterally not p2w since its still an existing system. just makes us bite the bullet for ppl who are usually broke and wanna advertise

[bright osprey]

yeah I'm not complaining about that. Bugle chat was also usable before lol

[prime raven]

yes. and id have to pay a lot of gold for a sale or asking ppl to come to glenn or techs. theres no reasoning in saying they were ever p2w lol

[bright osprey]

They are literally pay to win right now. You pay for VIP. You receive so many bugles you can reasonably control a global chat for a short period of time with spam because there is no cooldown or limit. This was not possible before VIP changes

[prime raven]

i dont buy vip. i never have lol most of the people spamming are just buying the 100s off AH 😦

let me go ask bugle chat if they think its p2w right now X"D

[bright osprey]

Where are the 100s coming from.... VIP.................... today alone I have 30 bugles from characters I made for free with what came with my account. Each day you can pick random items and roll more bugles. they don't expire for a week. you can stack them as much as you want and use them with no cooldown, limit, or repercussions

[prime raven]

yes. but u BUY THEM WITH GOLD??? and yea.. dont remove them but add limits! this chat is argueing to remove them.

[bright osprey]

ok. but you understand that the amount that people can produce, in game, without the use of a paid service, will not outproduce the amount nexon has put into circulation with a paid service. this thread is literally "remove bugles from VIP"

[prime raven]

yes. and if we just add limits both sides are happy

[chilly juniper]

I advocate for full removal, and just implementing a global chat.

[bright osprey]

I'm fine with full removal and a global chat, or removing them from VIP and leaving it as is (or with a cooldown). what we have now sucks

[prime raven]

u say this as u were advocating for removal for vip. i agree with this. not the other

[bright osprey]

yeah for me personally I would love them gone because I actually pay for VIP unlike you, and would like something that's useful

[worn cave]

They are useful. But with people spamming homophobic hate speak on them most people ignore what should be a pretty useful tool.

[chilly juniper]

Don't forget broadcasting bible verses. 🙂

[worn cave]

I feel like anybody publicly posting bible verses should be permanently banned. Any religion for that matter. His name is repnttojesus and he afks on the rano fishing boat. If you blacklist them you wont see it anymore.

[bright osprey]

throwback to that one person who paid for at least a dozen premium bugles to spam bible verses. hate you

[prime raven]

they never got banned too lol

[chilly juniper]

-Actually havent seen them in a few days, surprisingly

[sick field]

I rather just have them with a 30 second cooldown or something so we don't get spam blasted by the same person over and over again

Also god bless those who use bugles for good (the dad joke buglers are gold, protect those people)

[prime raven]

oh yeah. forgot to mention that vip is litterally free now. u can buy vip with gold XD

[cobalt jackal]

Yeahhh, its underpriced rn too. Which is wild

[chilly juniper]

I wont say why it's the price it is, but the ratio is no longer 1:1 is all.

[alpine nest]

Options -> Game -> Chat -> Horn -> Show from defaul channel -> Uncheck -> Hide Channel -> Check
Removed Horn for yourself ezpz. Why remove it for all?

[cobalt jackal]

It shouldnt be a VIP Feature.

[chilly juniper]

Kinda undervalues the NX version no?

[alpine nest]

Because it's a VIP feature, it's accessable to everyone for cheap. Or am I missing something?

[cobalt jackal]

It should be paywalled behind NX. Not VIP.

[chilly juniper]

Correct. The supply is so high, that the cost becomes next to 0 for ANYONE to buy a bugle

[prime raven]

before vip revamp i paid 700k a bugle from the free baltane ones. often there were* 20+ on board

[alpine nest]

Idk I think giving everyone a world chat is nice, if you don't wanna hear it it's easy to disable. I'm missing the problem tbh. Do you want a separate premium bugle chat or something?

[chilly juniper]

Its the ease of access for people with ill intent

[prime raven]

the people that hit the 33 thumbs up apparently want no gray room and to ruin it for everyone else doe.. JUST ADD LIMITS

[alpine nest]

make it easier to blacklist people on bugle chat. problem solved?

[cobalt jackal]

Then give us a world chat, not bugle. Bugle should was meant to be used for selling/trading. It being used this way is idiotic. Several people were just spamming the letter V today just because they needed to "use the items before they expire".

[chilly juniper]

Or the people that count down with theirs

[prime raven]

i think hes asking for seperation from all chat? but u can do that anyways lol

[alpine nest]

I get this, new solution
Global world chat
Global trade chat
Problem solved?

[cobalt jackal]

No, I am saying you should remove Bugles from VIP.

[prime raven]

that wont change anything. ppl would spam without the vip bugles. baltane bugles can be bought out by one person? it didnt stop them before

[alpine nest]

I think removing bugles from vip would be nonstarter. Would make game look dead, and would make pop go down. Let's try to find new solution.

[chilly juniper]

Figured I ought to fix my name, but I agree. Make it so that Bugles are not a VIP reward. Which will make them actually worth something again.

[cobalt jackal]

Yup, agreed.

[worn cave]

a 30 second or one minute timer would be sufficient. the people spamming the bugles would just have their ADHD kick in and do something else before the timer was up

[prime raven]

this ^

[rapid plaza]

In terms of it being part of VIP, for me it definitely ends up being more annoying, it is easily the worst daily VIP item in my opinion, would happily take a second relic or gem box over 3 bugles.

I do like bugles being an item because if I want to buy them with gold, I do like that being an option, if I need a global message to go out for some reason, but i'd be happy to spend more gold on it at that point, and then having NX bugles as a backup is pretty much perfect in my opinion

[worn cave]

and y'know what if they wana spam on a 30 second timer, they paid for it and should be allowed to do so. the people complaining about spam on a 30 second timer probably cant take pickles off their own sandwich :I

[sick field]

I have added a timer emote to the reacts to see if people would rather just put a 30 second or so timer instead of straight limits/removal

[prime raven]

yeah. someone on here got offended i called that: "Being a princess" lol

[cobalt jackal]

I am a pretty princess. Thank you very much.

[worn cave]

Im the PRINCESS SUPREME, get in line peasant.

[prime raven]

i mean... i never see that as being a insult. its slang for wanting special treatment XD

[cobalt jackal]

I am a Goddess. You can't tell me how to live my life. Now bow before her Imperial Majesty.

[alpine nest]

Ye idk, I think global chat is lit, better community, less boring game. Premium bugle chat would be a nice addition, I feel that. Still tho, I feel like removing a global chat after we just gotit would be lame, and make the game dead feeling.

[chilly juniper]

The other reason I say just make a full global channel is just simply because using an item to chat is clunky mid dungeon

[cobalt jackal]

Its not a global chat-- Youre forgetting it is locked behind a paywall. A Global Chat would just be a general chat. If you want a global chat. Say that. Bugles are not it.

[prime raven]

theyre. litterally. free lol

[alpine nest]

It's the only option we have so functionally, it's global chat. Literally run SWE 1 time and you got 100 bugles

[worn cave]

Global chat would be available to everybody at any time, but if that doesnt have a timer, it would just devolve into B/S/T> spam

[cobalt jackal]

For VIP, which is a paywall. They aren't free.

[prime raven]

not to mention; VIP... is litterally FREE ./ its 15m on AH

[rapid plaza]

I would prefer a global chat because I haven't muted bugles for the off chance someone is pinging for RAHM runs or something, when I otherwise very much would have

[alpine nest]

If you can't get 100k to pay for bugles idk what to tell you. Could literally go to dunby and ask and you'll get it

[chilly juniper]

I will literally give you my 12 Weekly bugles LMAO

[prime raven]

if ur argueing bugles are a paywall right now idk what to tell ya... ( if i bought vip id have over 100 weekly)

[cobalt jackal]

15M on AH still isn't free lmao. The point it, it isn't a world chat. A world chat shouldnt cost anybody anything.

[alpine nest]

Hey tho from this conversation this what I take and this what I think right

Add global chat
Make bugles more expensive
Add trade chat?

That should solve all the problems I heard here right?

[chilly juniper]

Tech Hard X 15 = 4.5m
Run techs and you have VIP monthly

[prime raven]

no cuz nexon gonna see how active this thread is and just remove them without reading anything XD

[alpine nest]

point me to the mods, I'll just DM them ezpz. Also, they don't have a guy lurking in chat rn? would be unfortunate

[prime raven]

elebon is a gm/cm i think.. giegue actually supported my OG viewpoint to not remove them and is a mod... so maybe one of them?

[cobalt jackal]

Mods are just players who volunteer tho not nexon staff

[rapid plaza]

People used to use the party global message thing for trade, does that not work anymore or do people just use bugles because it's more convenient?

[prime raven]

why not use both? 🙂

[alpine nest]

Bugles more convenient tbh. The party thing requires you to not join any party. Gotta pretty much afk

[cobalt jackal]

Bugles have always been used for trade. Just not on a massive scale because they cost NX. Parties were used too but yeah by afkers

[prime raven]

when someone would start bible versing... the AH would be bought out of free baltane bugles. it was really sad :((((

i just hope we can be constructive about this and not remove them flat out and leave it at that.... tldr hope i made a diffrence

[alpine nest]

Would be unfortunate if they did. Pretty sure more than 33 ppl use bugles and even the ratio here 1/3 of the ppl disagree, and that's with the downvote button being way harder to find than the upvote one.

[cobalt jackal]

Isnt the upvote button being if ppl agree with OP? If its not I need to change my vote lmao

[prime raven]

you are on the right one if u want them removed entirely from vip. 🙂

[hot meadow]

If then, people don't want a cool-down, and don't want bugles removed from VIP, and it's inconvenient to block or turn off the chat completely because we miss advertising and flash sales.

Let's say all that, a lot of people here advocate for the new bugle update and that's nice and all.

Then have it so we can report annoying spam. And have those players be shadow banned on bugles so they can see their own messages on the horn system but no one else can.

Frankly, if this continues then what stopping the bots that are always advertising gold selling from advertising using the bugle system now if there is no cool-down, and bugles are 1g each?

[worn cave]

The same system that prevents them from killing raccoons for gold to sell.

[prime raven]

im confused as to where maje stands tbh. she doesnt want bugles in vip. but agrees with what lollita said. as well as lyr

[cobalt jackal]

I mainly agree with the gold spammers part. As it is constructive towards my argument of removing it.

[hot meadow]

Well the conversation was brought into a different direction. I think she was trying to say that where we stand now with bugles is massively annoying at many different points of this topic

[prime raven]

yes. and to remove them entirely from vip would be the wrong move in the people that downvoteds eyes. why not add a chat limit

[cobalt jackal]

Or, or, remove it from VIP Entirely and make a world chat :).

[prime raven]

world chat would have the same issues. being entirely free lol

[worn cave]

World chat would be more toxic than the bugles

[hot meadow]

tbh if the entire server doesn't know how to act with them then I see nothing wrong with taking that privilege away regardless of how people obtain bugles. The method of obtaining bugles isn't the argument

[cobalt jackal]

And? People don't know how to act. Atleast in a global chat we can report.

[prime raven]

thats actually the first valid point ive seen today XDDDDDD i think doing that would kill it for the ppl behaving tho...

[prime raven]

also! u can report ppl who bugle! 🙂 screenshot and send it in! like that guy from earlier spewing the hatespeech

[worn cave]

people have to actually report

[hot meadow]

Well if you want to argue that, Nexon lacks the initiative for actually banning people and having them face consequences. I think a temporary shadow ban with bugles would suffice, because if people get banned too many times for bugles they could be perma banned and that's a bit extreme. Especially if someone dislikes you they will purposely seek you out every time

[inland prism]

I would pay 100$ nexon to not see anyones bugle messages

[cobalt jackal]

Well, thankfully you can turn it off! Wheres my 100?

[prime raven]

options>game>chat>disable wheres my 100$ XD

[hot meadow]

The people behaving can still bugle, we are more so addressing the spamming and from what Ive seen in screenshots, malding, and arguing and trolling.

I don't see why anyone would advocate for that at all considering I haven't even heard of anyone actually behaving using the bugle system so far. Just annoyances.

[prime raven]

im asking for limits. not removal or keeping as is. ( i dont think anyone wants to keep as is )

[inland prism]

man and i was deleting people just to not see their messages lol

[hot meadow]

Guilty of this

[prime raven]

well. i been on this chat a hot minute. talk to you later all. i dm elebon to read through this stuff. so hopefully nexon make a good decision 😦

[alpine nest]

I still don't understand why you personally dont just disable it and let everyone else who likes it be though. That's my biggest confusion with this whole thread. Disable it for yourself, problem solved.

[hot meadow]

Per my first email

[alpine nest]

Okay nvm, I like that one.

[inland prism]

im not finding a full disable for account i still have to put in individuals names

[alpine nest]

This is my problem with the system, it should be as easy as right click -> Blacklist tbh

[inland prism]

would love to just pay 100 to see no bugles lol

[alpine nest]

pay me 100, I gotchu

[inland prism]

💀

[vocal belfry]

remove bugles from VIP emphasizing VIP because people keep thinking to erase all bugles?????????

Would also be nice to make them untradable as well

[potent glen]

Go all in make them the premium world bugles

[vocal belfry]

[prime raven]

Tldr people are arguing there are alternatives to removing them from vip in general. Just add timers or a auto stop if u just copy pasting. Changing the title of this chat doesn’t change the issue. Ppl were having arguments with free baltane bugles long before vip even got announced

Also I don’t think anyone would want bugles to be gone completely. But at same time no one wants to see it as is. There needs to be a change. But not via ruining it for everyone else

[rugged kettle]

Leave them tradeable or make a free global chat imo

But!
Improve the blacklist. Make it it's own list. And allow for right clicking names in chat to blacklist. Timeout timer for 10+ bugles in in 30 seconds.

That's my thoughts on it

[hot meadow]

It was it's own list it's just broken

[rugged kettle]

Well then it needs fixing.

[manic thorn]

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