Forum Feature Feedback v2

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[nimble cliff]

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[nimble cliff]

It's a message proxy basically

[twin bear]

im not gonna ask

[night crag]

Yoooo look who it is

[candid grail]

yup :)

[night crag]

Imagine doing rust

[candid grail]

imagine rust

[night crag]

[nimble cliff]

imagine dragons

[candid grail]

i don't have to

the dragons be by my side

[timid sinew]

feedback: rewrite forum in rust

[sullen cradle]

this is probably not an intended feature

[civic smelt]

how did you produce this?

[sullen cradle]

dont know honestly

sorry

[forest root]

Is there a way to truncate a long link or use an anchor text? For example, sharing a long code to Rust Explorer takes a lot of space.
https://www.rustexplorer.com/b#%2F* [dependencies] polars %3D { version %3D "*"%2C features %3D ["lazy"] } *%2F use polars%3A%3Aprelude%3A%3A*%3B use polars%3A%3Adf%3B fn main() -> Result<()> { let df_a %3D df![ "a" %3D> [1%2C 2%2C 1%2C 1]%2C "b" %3D> ["a"%2C "b"%2C "c"%2C "c"]%2C "c" %3D> [0%2C 1%2C 2%2C 3] ]%3F%3B println!("{}"%2C df_a)%3B let df_b %3D df![ "foo" %3D> [1%2C 1%2C 1]%2C "bar" %3D> ["a"%2C "c"%2C "c"]%2C "ham" %3D> ["let"%2C "var"%2C "const"] ]%3F%3B println!("{}"%2C df_b)%3B let lf_a %3D df_a.clone().lazy()%3B let lf_b %3D df_b.clone().lazy()%3B let joined %3D lf_a.join( lf_b%2C vec![col("a")]%2C vec![col("foo")]%2C JoinType%3A%3AOuter ).collect()%3F%3B%0A%0A%20%20%20%20println!(%22%7B%7D%22%2C%20joined)%3B%0A%0A%20%20%20%20Ok(())%0A%7D

[split warren]

Wow it just pain text encodes it!?

[forest root]

Yes. This way third party website owners can easily create a link with the code attached to it.

[split warren]

Normally you would at least Base64 encode it to remove the escape sequences and reduce the size (like gzip it before encode)

[forest root]

Thanks for the suggestion. base64 encoding seems reduce the size significantly. gzip requires a library for third party websites that want to create links programmatically.

[ancient patio]

You could support both gzipped and non-gzipped urls

That way when link sharing it could also choose between gzip and non-gzip if the non-gzip happens to be smaller

or you could use brotli/deflate or something, which may give better results than gzip

[wise obsidian]

btw, if you save your code on Rust Explorer, it gives you a shortlink when you share it

you might need to log in first tho

[ancient patio]

you realize who you’re speaking to, right?

[wise obsidian]

oh whoops

[ancient patio]

lol

[wise obsidian]

thanks for your great work!

[ancient patio]

Yeah, Rust explorer is great

[ancient patio]

There could probably also be a Rust-specific compression scheme

that is, Brotli with a Rust-specific dictionary

[thin flame]

I do miss the chat channel - in my experience everyone so readily got help there while forum always feels slower.

Chat channel makes everyone completely up to date with the very latest discussion while forum requires more navigation, and defaults (per post) to view the oldest message and then you have to scroll down

[native storm]

Gzip is deflate, plus a 14 byte header that you don't actually need to recover the inner stream. Technically it can contain other compression schemes but none are actually reserved except maybe uncompressed, and even there I'm not sure.

[echo fossil]

zstd has a training mode

[nimble cliff]

compression using AI and deep learning

[native storm]

That's just feature vectors

[floral flint]

Quite possible that's been written here already, but I can't select the title bar anymore after clicking on the New Post button and selecting the description. Focus always flips eagerly back to the description

[civic smelt]

Please report any feedback, bug reports and suggestions the: the forum feature into this channel. Please keep it on-topic for better searchability!

[toxic bison]

Threads do not auto-mark-read anymore (repeating for more visibility here)

[paper pecan]

Man, this is awful to try and navigate on the mobile interface... tags are just meaningless...

[burnt geode]

seems a little... hectic to make everything a forum

[wise obsidian]

Followed threads still show notifications in the inbox despite being in a muted server.

[drifting dune]

The fact that there is no thread search makes them not particularly useful as a KB.

[candid grail]

this sometimes happens:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461038099682689054/981491315848118272/fixed.mp4

also, tags don't really have a good indication UI-wise that they act as filters

[candid grail]

on top of that the tags menu just doesn't appear if your client is not wide enough

[jaunty canopy]

Positive feedback: I like the forum thing, really improves the signal noise

But, on mobile, there's no way I can see to filter by tags? Annoying

[supple sleet]

Topic name stays greyed out even when there are new comments

[candid grail]

the SNR is indeed improved IMO, less crosstalking (which others have mentioned is a major factor in their involvement in general channels)

[supple sleet]

Also posts with new comments aren't moving up with "recent activity" sort

[toxic bison]

oh it cut off the beginning, I'll rerecord

[supple sleet]

But what can you guys do with this feedback? Isn't this only something Discord can do something about? Or are you guys testing these features for Discord?

[toxic bison]

Apparently discord devs hang out here and will listen :ferrisClueless:

[supple sleet]

they don't have a playground server? 😛

[oak moth]

1 - discord devs are in this server
2 - Melo can tell them directly

[crisp mirage]

I personally think we should have kept 1/2 general channels outside the discussion thing and added the discussion thing for specific questions, it's definitely better than threads for that but having the general channels to ask simple questions quickly was also great.

[static yarrow]

#meta-archive message

The design of discords forums is rather poor.

[analog fulcrum]

Personally I'm much more accustomed to having a conversation in a noisy channel than this thread format. I'll try it out because to learn rust I don't have much choice. Interesting server

[knotty sentinel]

Adding tags to your posts is obscured on the iOS app, and downright impossible on the Android app

[civic smelt]

(please try to use this thread for feedback about the forum feature itself. Feedback about whether and how to use it on this server is a better fit for #meta-archive . I know it's complicated, but I think this is how the two channels are the most useful)

[native storm]

Another issue with threads is that you can collapse a channel group and only unread channels will show, but there's no way to collapse the followed threads attached to a forum, they always show as soon as any followed thread is unread. This gets unwieldy on small screens pretty soon.

Correction, they all show as soon as you open any of them or their parent channel.

[knotty sentinel]

There's also no indication of activity in existing threads you've left or looked at but not joined at all, which is especially relevant for this server, where someone might post a follow-up question to something or a better way to do it than the existing suggestions and it'll never be seen because everyone else has already "solved" and then left the thread

[analog fulcrum]

Threads seem heavily tilted towards desktop instead of mobile but I only use discord on mobile.

[knotty sentinel]

The forum feature is even more unfinished on mobile than it is on desktop/web, MrNeo. Unfortunately.

[civic smelt]

This is not the case for me

[native storm]

It's a beta feature and could change at any moment, including the occasional showstopper bug. That's we rely on it so heavily.

[native storm]

They all show once you click the unread one

[knotty sentinel]

^

[civic smelt]

Ah okay, so the default behavior for threads in general

[supple sleet]

This is also annoying

[static yarrow]

So here's a massive issue I have with this.
In UI massive bodies of tutorial text is a smell. It is a sign you have poorly designed UI. Self explanatory UI is something UI designers strive to achieve because it is enabling. It lets the user do what they want with as little work as possible and is also incredibly accessible.

This body of text in the first and second screenshot only makes sense to fluent English speakers. If a user comes to this server and they only know enough english to communicate their question, that massive body of text is going to be a hurdle for them. At my work for instance we avoid using massive blocks of text for this very reason as our customers are international. I've compared with bevy multiple times and I'm going to compare again because they just get the UX right. When creating an input form for instance for a website. If one of your fields is an IPV4 What is better?

• Placeholder text 127.0.0.1 in the input box?
• Or a block of text reading "Please enter a valid IPV4 address. It consists of 4 numeric segments separated by periods with each segment ranging from 0-255 (inclusive)."

The prior. Because examples always express much more information immediately than tutorials.
If you look at the bevy screenshot you see a "help" channel. That is a word most non-english speakers know because it is simple. When you click onto it you are instantly greeted with questions and answers. You don't need to understand any of the English in the questions to understand it because they have a structure of questions and discussion to communicate what they are. They are examples. And they do what forums fail to do. Communicate as much information as possible with as little work as possible. In the case of the forum all of the forum posts... look like forum posts.
All bevy does is throw a massive slow mode on the channel which

• Makes the channel full of imitating pieces of information which is nice for regular server users to navigate.
• Increases question quality.
• Organizes with very little UI.
• Is intuitive and is not confusing to use like forums which require a lot more up front explanation.

[supple sleet]

"Older posts" are younger than not-"older posts"

[civic smelt]

"older posts" is everything that has been archived

[supple sleet]

That means that if you haven't read a post yet and someone archives it you will not see it unless you scroll all the way to the bottom? I would like it to be still sorted by latest activity, so you are able to see all post with activity you haven't seen yet

[static yarrow]

Is there any of the actual discord devs here I could just ping?

[civic smelt]

I don't think they'd appreciate getting personally bombarded with complaints, nor that it would be particularly fruitful for what you want to achieve

[static yarrow]

Like I just wanna know was it considered to have forum entries be bigger and display all of the OP information and making them collapsible (collapsed by default when bigger than a threshold) instead of what we currently have.

Like the reason old internet forums were like that was because of limitations of web tech, not because it served any ergonomic purpose.

[supple sleet]

I think they are too big

[final finch]

I personally liked the individual channels. It's less ergonomic to have to navigate through forums rather than just a few simple channels. This is also a nightmare for the people posting on mobile

[supple sleet]

I think it works on mobile, except that the right swipe is not working and you need to click on the left arrow in the top left

[static yarrow]

It would be better I think, even if an element is bigger than what your screen can display. I personally would rather scroll through things than clicking in and out of different UI layers.

[supple sleet]

On mobile if you got to the rust-general board and touch Rust General the menu shows up on the left. I guess because the "channel" is switched from rust-general to General

And for some reason the right swipe does work when I go to General from the menu

[dreamy surge]

Nah, they all left this morning because they don't like the redesign ||/s||

[supple sleet]

Yeah that archiving is annoying, please only put Conversations with activity older than the configured auto archive time under Older posts

[hot flare]

I found a way to work around the not marking things read at least in the case of browsing new threads (where I really want to get rid of those NEW flags) — if I hit escape while in the sidebar view it marks everything read while also closing the sidebar

[floral flint]

You can't tell whether something's already answered or just frozen because no one answers

[toxic bison]

this literally just got fixed for me and I didn't even refresh

[candid grail]

nag: why isn't there a way to collapse read posts? this is looking rather unwieldy and no i don't want to leave these posts

[toxic bison]

I've always just left them when they are done. This is a problem if they ask follow up questions since I won't see them (but I don't also want to be the only person that helps this individual case, I want others to step in if I have to leave)

[candid grail]

yeah, and ive had people ask follow up questions

and the unread notification only pops up on the forum channel if a new post is created

which is just... so annoying

[knotty sentinel]

I dislike it as well. A lot

[candid grail]

yeah i saw that

[knotty sentinel]

Oh, and it goes away if you open the forum channel at all, even for a second

Even if there are still unread threads that you haven't yet looked at

What the hell

[candid grail]

y e a h

[honest willow]

I am confusion
I want to be open minded about change and give this a fair chance... this feels weird tho

is there at least a way to minimize the index thingy?
Or am I really going to have to find a new spot for my water bottle

[civic smelt]

If you click the "open full view" button or if you click a thread in the channel list, the thread will be opened as if it were a channel, meaning you won't see the forum index

[honest willow]

Yeah, I realized after a while. Just had a bit of a boomer moment.
I could probably get used to this actually

[civic smelt]

Take your time and feel free to come back with any issues you encounter

[civic smelt]

Turns out there actually is, I just had to wait a while to find examples of it

Note the "(10+ New)" part

[dreamy surge]

My Android client has soft-updated with this cool new feature where hitting the left arrow opens the right side bar, in addition to going back.

Very handy in case I forget the names of all the bots

[oak veldt]

If the discord forum feature gets refined, this could be cool

but it's a bit wonky right now

[analog fulcrum]

I agree, not against as an idea.
Current form needs some usability fixes, especially on mobile

[oak veldt]

I like that discord is so versatile

[honest willow]

as long as the execution is right, and it makes sense.
"all the features!!" has been the death of a lot of great software

[oak veldt]

the topics feature is great, because it allows to create more focused spaces for discussion

But I'm not sure if it should be the default

I like the stream of continuous discussion on channels

It makes things feel alive

and makes it easy to branch out into different topics (related to the channel), without having to create a new topic

[native storm]

Stream of collective consciousness

[knotty sentinel]

I was talking about on the channel's entry in the sidebar. Not inside the channel, at which point it doesn't matter any more because it's highlighted anyway

[civic smelt]

I don't understand why threads you've left or not joined should appear in the side bar at all, that seems extremely noisy

[knotty sentinel]

You're completely misunderstanding me

There is no indication at all on the sidebar when any thread Discord decides you're aware of - merely because it already existed last time you opened the forum channel list, whether you actually opened it or not - receives any new messages

[civic smelt]

so you'd prefer that the unread marker on the forums channel turn on whenever a new message arrives in any thread?

[hot flare]

I think it would help overall usability if there was a way to tell Discord “I am not interested in this thread post, stop showing it to me ever again", so that the list of posts is not cluttered with uninteresting things and you can use it to follow things

(note: the existing “Mute Post” does not behave this way)

[analog fulcrum]

Also is this server too big for notifications of replies to threads?
Edit: It is

[signal belfry]

It's a bit chaotic now

[worldly whale]

Alright my 2c on this change, it's just more steps to get into a discussion now. The General and Discussion posts now use 40% of my screen space instead of 80%, require more clicks to get to, and aren't always in the same spot anymore

for long form questions it makes sense, for short form or casual anything I'm not sure this change helps

[stoic radish]

Is there a "mark all threads as read" button somewhere?

[ancient patio]

Wish we could collapse read threads

this is annoying

half of these I haven’t actually posted in, just don’t want to miss out on further questions/discussions on

[opal lily]

i wonder if there was a way to have it so that one doesn't miss out on new things pointed in a channel

[stoic radish]

Relying on the users to archive answered threads obviously does not work

[civic smelt]

posts auto-archive after a week, which is probably too high and should be lowered

[civic smelt]

if you collapse the category, read posts should automatically vanish once you exit the forum channel

[ancient patio]

I don’t want to collapse the other channels though

Ideally I guess Discord would allow me to pin & reorder my own thread list

I’d keep this, #981431562786725948 and #981604882152837161s pinned

[stoic radish]

Do the thread tags actually do anything? I would expect the ability to filter based on them

[civic smelt]

you can on desktop

[stoic radish]

right

great UI that you can only see while not in a thread (instead of just being able to click the tag badges)

[knotty sentinel]

And you can only see it if your window is above a certain size

And there's no indication that they can be clicked on at all, other than when you hover over them and do so

I guess screw anyone whose screen is below 1450 pixels wide right, Discord?

(That's the cutoff point)

[native storm]

My desktop is 1024+900 ... If and when I actually do get to my desktop eventually

And I'm not going to stretch my browser across two monitors just to post a question here

[knotty sentinel]

Oh, no, that's for filtering

To add tags when writing a post, you click on them in the "new post" box

[native storm]

Still bad though

[knotty sentinel]

Which is literally one of the only things I actually like about the forum UI

[knotty sentinel]

Yep. Only way to filter by tags, and not only is it obscure, it also has a window size requirement bigger than many people's monitors

[native storm]

Maybe a VRtual desktop would cut it?

[stoic radish]

VR? Go straight to brain-computer interfaces

plugging my mind directly into the provenance thread

[knotty sentinel]

😂

Here's to hoping your brain doesn't decide to compile and run some of those examples locally

[native storm]

Once they eliminate the possible early death syndrome, I'll consider

[stoic radish]

No risk no reward

[wise obsidian]

Thread sorting order resets every time the thread view is switched away from.

[native storm]

It also seems that followed threads in forum view go above new threads without any separation, and new threads reset the scroll position to the top.. This makes it needlessly difficult to tell what triggered the unread marker on the forum.

[dreamy surge]

Does anyone have a link to the thread where we're placing bets on how long it takes discord to implement the "only two pinned threads" rule?

Slightly more seriously: it's probably mentioned above but maybe discord should hide the android keyboard when I'm in a forum so that more than one thread is visible; just a thought.

[floral flint]

Visual feedback for adding tags that aren't listed under the input pane is poor. In the case of this server, "help" through "tooling help" are shown, but "beginner" can only be found through the "see more" menu. If you select this tag, the only feedback to show that it has been selected is to open the menu back up and notice that the color around it is slightly lighter than before.

[split warren]

I wish that on mobile you could swipe to return to the list instead of clicking the back button (Android gestures does help this, but it feels out of place when you can swipe to get to the channel list)

[floral flint]

Also, restating all the tags (including those visible without diving into it) in the "see more" menu is redundant and mildly annoying.

Probably a bigger problem for servers that have more tags.

[nova elbow]

sometimes when I've read a post and need to scroll the post list to get to the list of posts, clicking on a new post jumps the list a little in one direction instead of actually opening the post I clicked on

[split warren]

Okay, if you go into a discussion from the channel list (if you have the discussion pinned there) it does let you swipe to pull up the channel list. Which is even more weird

[silent gale]

?play

[lapis osprey]

Missing code block. Please use the following markdown:
`code here`
or
```rust
code here
```

[wise obsidian]

Seems like the read state of threads isn't properly synced between clients.

[brisk heron]

This is a bit off topic, but you wouldn't know when this will be available for all servers or at least public servers?
Discord has been teasing this for over a year and has not really been transparent about this feature at all. I've been looking forward to this feature for over a year now. This is literally the only server I know where this seems to be enabled.

[echo fossil]

is there a way to search within a forum

like
for post titles

[supple sleet]

Here same example, haven't read any of these conversations, but Discord say they are read and have no new messages

Also not a forum problem, but general discord problem. Scrolling (mouse wheel) is really slow and sluggish (on Linux)

[brisk heron]

Can't confirm this, runs fine for me on both machines running Xorg / Wayland with Intel / Nvidia drivers

[supple sleet]

Oh weird

On discord I need 16 mouse wheel "clicks" to scroll 1 page down on a HD screen. On firefox that is 7 "clicks". On Discord it doesn't even always register a mouse wheel "click"

Also sometimes when i click on a conversation in the forum it centers the conversation summary but doesn't open the conversation in the right window

[dreamy surge]

it seems for forum posts, the state transitions are roughly like

unread [open]-> read
unread -> followed -> followed+unread -> followed
followed [unfollow]-> read

i.e. there's no transition to unread, if you aren't following (other than maybe an explicit menu interaction; point is, not automatic)
And I think this might account for a large portion of the confusion for how read notifications work (if by chance I've gotten it right, which I'm not sure of)

[nimble cliff]

This thread is just "discord bug reports and ui bashing" lol (understandably so)

[dreamy surge]

bitbucket gotta be somewhere

[civic smelt]

no, there definitely is a state for "not following but unread", because Discord is able to tell me "you don't follow this thread, but since the last time you've been in this forum, 3 new posts were made there"

[dreamy surge]

I see a counter, but the post is unhighlighted as if read

[civic smelt]

interesting, sounds indeed like a UI bug

[dreamy surge]

Although suddenly now posts are failing to ever become read for me.
So fun stuff seems to be happening.

[hot flare]

discord has for a long time had an occasional bug where auto-mark-read wouldn't work, but manual mark read has always worked to fix it (press esc) for me. But now, it seems like forum threads are doing this lots.

[split warren]

I have an idea: use the react feature to mark questions as answered. Not sure which emoji

[candid grail]

i guess the checkmark would work just fine? ✅

[tardy coral]

i think we need proper support

a way to hide answered questions would be great

[split warren]

Hmm, on mobile I don't see a way to archive manually

Oh, wait you can if you hold select it in the channels list. We could just use that

[tardy coral]

oh and also

[split warren]

And it becomes unarchived if someone adds to it. So that's probably good

[tardy coral]

this is

really annoying

archiving would also solve that i imagine

so.. two birds with one stone?

[candid grail]

i brought that up yesterday too

[split warren]

The archiving reduces this

[tardy coral]

yeah

[candid grail]

it's super annoying because a) people ask follow-up questions in the same post and b) discord didn't realize that a single user can be in a lot of posts at once

[tardy coral]

tbf you can just right click to unfollow if that happens

[candid grail]

yeah thats what i did this morning

still, very unfriendly UX

[tardy coral]

troo

[split warren]

So do we recommend manually archiving all questions when answered to the asker's satisfaction? For now

[dreamy surge]

so what you're saying is carry a usb-c keyboard for le phone, yeah? 😄

[tardy coral]

ig so

[vital grove]

Hi. Feedback.
I opened #981431291683700776 , scrolled through the posts looking to maybe answer some questions, and realized i'm not gonna open any of them ever.

[candid grail]

mood

[vital grove]

sifting through "which of them still need an answer / which of them have active discussion / which of them are even interesting" is way too much work

[split warren]

And I feel like we loose that discussion aspect of question answering. Answering questions now just helps the asker not anyone passing by (unless you click into the discussion)

Which I felt was a big part of #rust-discussions-1

[candid grail]

yeah, just more tick marks to "reasons why we can't just have forums"

[vital grove]

then again, i was looking more for #rust-discussions-1 kind of questions, not for #rust-discussions . So the forum might be appropriate for the latter (assuming it's not being spammed with the former, decreasing the value for both)

[candid grail]

^ i'm not here to solve soundness issues in http crates kek

[split warren]

(posts have been moved to #meta-archive)

[candid grail]

yeah, looks like the forum discussion just got derailed by VC stuff

just wait for a bit

[split warren]

The "i" button on mobile is basically invisible as it's the same color as the background

Plus the blue button beside it doesn't help

Also the page the "i" button pulls up doesn't show the markdown right. That one was probably already mentioned

[split warren]

On mobile, (not sure on desktop) the #981431291683700776 doesn't highlight ever even if there are new posts. I feel like it highlighting when new ones are created would help one second inspection it seems to work not sure what happened the first time

[hot flare]

Feedback: The forum channel (thread list) has a sort selector between "Recent Activity" (default) and "Creation Time". But it forgets this setting every time I switch to another channel. I wish it wouldn't.

[crude furnace]

Not sure what to do 😂

(I tried again)

[civic smelt]

hmmmmm, have you tried again again? /scnr

[crude furnace]

It didn't ask me to do that 😌

Idk if it's because my thing's broken but I selected the beginner tag and it doesn't show it unless I press see more and I think it should once it's been selected

When I select 2 tags, see more is greyed out which means I can't go and deselect beginner

And I can't make a post 😭

[civic smelt]

sounds awful

but yeah, this is the best place to collect these issues

[dusk sleet]

Is there a way to tell which posts in forums have been answered already and which weren't? Shouldn't there be a tag like solved that users or bots can give to threads to mark something as solved?

For example, I want to pop up to answer a question or two. I open rust-help and there's no indication what was solved already and in which threads somebody is still waiting for an answer (or more answers).

Moreover, IMO, some threads should be in a state like solved unless more suggestions (which can have a better name) to indicate that there can be other suggestion besides this, but there's already some suggestion.

[civic smelt]

Ideally, people right click their post when it's answered and archive that. The problem that this and why other solution have is that people like to forget that

[dusk sleet]

Only OP can do that?

If so then it is expected.

IMO, there should be some mechanism to allow more people to do that, because OP will inevitably forget to do that

If allowing too many people to archive is too extreme, then a broader solution like solved tags could be useful, because users could tag and untag without too many consequences

via a bot or something

and some question or conversations don't have a binary state of being over, as somebody else can contribute a better answer or add something, but somehow completely unanswered should still have a way to pop out from the rest

[civic smelt]

Best I can offer is that people are free to react with ☑️ to a post and when i see those reactions, I can archive them as well

[native storm]

I don't think we can, actually

[civic smelt]

Weird, I have seen people react to threads before

Someone just did

Oh, it was me, somehow

[knotty sentinel]

If I recall, a moderator archiving a thread means only a moderator can then unarchive that thread - which makes asking follow-up questions or providing other information or better solutions impossible if a moderator decides "this question has been solved"

[native storm]

I can pile on to the one emoji discord has decided in its endless grace to show me (the heart, if there's no existing reaction, or the one that it already has, if any) in the top bar but no place I've checked where to add a different one

[civic smelt]

We have both means at our disposal now, they're called "archive now" and "lock" respectively

[civic smelt]

Yeah, same

[sullen cradle]

right there for me - i can seemingly react with whatever i want

[native storm]

Also very confusingly, the settings button in the right pane shows pins. Just like the pin button, just with one extra click. You would think you could mute the thread through there but no. Only the notification button does.

[static yarrow]

I'm not sure what the hell happens but

• browsing a forum
• then trying to DM someone
• and then trying to go back to a server on mobile just completely freezes discord

[native storm]

Good for you, desktop user.

[civic smelt]

Holy shit, this is amazing. Honestly this might be worth a bug report proper

[static yarrow]

Also on that point, can anyone see how forums behave for screen readers? They seem they would be much more unfriendly than a text feed

[native storm]

I do know that you can create threads while using one, cf.
#981870302730551307

[civic smelt]

I'd be surprised if Discord works with screen readers at all

[native storm]

(of note, is there a way to link a thread other than by follow, autocomplete, unfollow?)

[knotty sentinel]

They've been trying to bolt screen reader support on top

[civic smelt]

I can tap and hold a forum post to pull up the context menu, pick "copy id" then write <#the ID>

[civic smelt]

Ugh, right, I've enabled developer mode for mod purposes

Should be under Settings, Behavior, Enable Developer Mode

[native storm]

[civic smelt]

My UI is in German so I can't get more specific than that

This guy

[native storm]

This gives me a big number. Should I wrap it in <# > ?

[knotty sentinel]

<#id> where id is that number, yes

[native storm]

That's 12 clicks on Gboard 😭 and that's assuming I already got the id in clipboard

[civic smelt]

Yyyyep

"make it easier to link a thread that I don't follow" seems like a reasonable feature request though

[static yarrow]

like channels?

[civic smelt]

Not really, since this is explicitly about small short time threads that someone isn't following

[drifting cloud]

Just had an idea that might be too much work but sounded like a good idea in my head. I think having a new text channel could greatly improve user experience during cross-related problems. Would it be possible to have a Links section with channels for Language-Discords, Cloud-Links, Tool-Links for different language discord invites, either a support forum or discord for things like AWS or GCP, and then one for other tools we may use since not everyone knows how to use a debugger or code profiler or whatever you can think of.

[civic smelt]

that's not really forum feedback and more #meta-archive material, but I know that the Rust Exchange Network exists as a server of cross-server links. It may make sense to poke Melo about whether we can link to them ( https://discord.gg/GVdyretw )

[drifting cloud]

Think they may already have, their meta text channel says they were gonna on may 5th.

[civic smelt]

it may make sense to ping melo again, since it's been a bit busy in may :y

[crude furnace]

???

Tag menu sporadically appears off the screen 😂

[hot flare]

idea: put "use the archive command" in the "guidelines"

I've seen someone ask "how do I mark this as answered", so at least some people want to but don't know how

[civic smelt]

@wind pike can't edit the guidelines, is this worth doing?

[wind pike]

[nimble cliff]

Maybe you're looking through a mirror on the melorbius?

[scenic thicket]

is this post pinned?

can these be "resolved" when questions and/or help are resolved?

I feel like this feature is still clunky and not preferable to a forum

[dense nest]

bahah
white emoji

[oak moth]

I just noticed a small UI issue, possibly already reported above: the message count on posts is off by one prior to opening the post, and then accurate while the post is open and after

Oh, update, not always off by one. Eg this post has 5 messages

[honest blade]

Can the small questions thread please be pinned so that it's immediately apparent where to go for those (and it doesn't get lost beneath several other posts)?

[civic smelt]

Looks like only Melo can pin #981431562786725948 and he just pinned #981524654248316928 instead :c

[honest blade]

Oh, OK.

[crude furnace]

Searching in threads would be good if it hasn't already been mentioned

[tardy coral]

can we have finer settings for thread auto archiving

apparently the shortest option is 1 hour and then its 24 hours??

[bitter jackal]

We really need to be able to archive our own threads on mobile, otherwise threads that have been answered will never get archived because a lot of people can't even do it

Shouldn't this channel technically be near #meta-archive, and then Small Questions could be pinned?

[dense nest]

small questions used the be pinned
idk why not anymore

there probably was a better place for this

[bitter jackal]

Oh isn't it unpinned because #rust-discussions-1 is back?

[civic smelt]

You should already be able to do that. just hold the post in the forum overview and choose "archive settings", then "archive now"

[civic smelt]

Yeah pretty much

[bitter jackal]

Turns out I was just bad at finding the settings the previous times I've tried 😅

[native storm]

As many will be

[bitter jackal]

I guess my feedback is now: the "Archive Thread" button should be next to the "Leave Thread"

[urban osprey]

I simply can't create any post...It's either: an error occured, please try again , or You are being rate limited.

[vital grove]

try relaunching your discord. And/or updating it (the green download button in the top right)

[urban osprey]

Thanks that works now

[knotty sentinel]

I really wish there was an "Unfollow archived posts" button, as well

Since they don't appear in the sidebar even when followed, it's very hard to find and unfollow them

Not to mention that in order to unfollow them, you also have to unarchive them first

Which is, in my opinion, a really dumb restriction

[hot flare]

I think that when a thread is archived, the only thing that following changes is whether you see it if it gets unarchived

so there's not a whole lot of use to unfollowing archived threads

[nimble cliff]

Right click on the channel and you should be able to unfollow

I think it's called "leave thread"

[knotty sentinel]

That option is not present for archived threads

[nimble cliff]

Bruh moment

[oak veldt]

Oh god. When posting a new topic and editing your post, pressing the end key will scroll down the whole view, scrolling the post you're editing out of view

I guess I'll just have to edit my posts with my text editor and then paste, lol

[blissful oxide]

tbh its added so much complexity to the discord server...
I mean If I want a forum like experience there is so many good forum out there, the thing most of us love about discord is its simplicity... I can just open a channel and ask my question and wait to maybe someone answer it, and meanwhile maybe read some other people questions/talks too... but now it just feel like I'm in a forum...

I'm not saying its bad, lets say its not like the discord we know and like...

[civic smelt]

#rust-discussions-3 and #rust-discussions-1 continue to serve this purpose and it's obvious at this point that they're not going anywhere

[oak veldt]

rust-general says "not necessarily questions" but I guess that doesn't actually discourage asking questions there

[civic smelt]

Yeah, Word of Melo is that questions are allowed

[delicate island]

Please add a section for wasm on rust-dedicated channel...

[civic smelt]

Such requests go into #meta-archive

[bitter jackal]

I'm finding it difficult to see which threads I've read and haven't, like the opposite of them not being read, it seems like all the threads are read, despite not having entered them

[civic smelt]

Fun limitation I just noticed: on desktop, moderators can either "archive now" a post (allowing people to unarchive it later) or "lock" a thread (archiving and preventing unarchiving).

On mobile, it looks like there is only a single "archive now" option that actually locks the thread

[bitter jackal]

On mobile, you can usually swipe right to open the channel list when you're inside a channel, and this works when selecting a thread from the channel list (i.e. one that I am already following), but if I go to the forum and select the same thread from there I can no longer swipe to return to the channel list

Though I can still swipe left to get the user list for some reason

[desert dagger]

Yeah, that's normal thread behaviour. Whenever you open a thread from a Thread Start Message it opens it up like that.

[opal lily]

It would be useful to have the original post easily accessible, like a pin (or maybe auto-pinning it)

[vital grove]

it would also be useful to not have easy access to post reactions from inside the thread. Because, honestly, why do we need this?

[civic smelt]

I've been using ☑️ or similar reaction as a way to say "hey mod, the problem is solved, please archive this thread"

[vital grove]

that sounds like a "clever hack"

[civic smelt]

yeag

[crude furnace]

I think a bug I reported was fixed 😲

Searching for posts and maybe searching for messages inside posts

When you resize the screen from large to small, the see more section doesn't appear

Similar issue when going from small to large and seeing tags repeated in the see more section

It would be helpful to have the tags shuffled so you can always see the tags that you've selected

[floral flint]

Um... help how do I see the guidelines again

[civic smelt]

on desktop, you have to make your window sufficiently wide. on mobile, there's an ℹ️ icon next to "new post"

[floral flint]

This is as far as my window can go, probably the Discord devs didn't think of HiDPI

[errant moth]

making forum posts on desktop from browser is glitchy and has pretty dodgy ux (remaps home/end keys to scroll the forum instead of navigate text)

[native storm]

On mobile too - impossible to ta

[echo fossil]

not sure if this was mentioned before, but i don't see why the tags have a +1 when there is clearly room to list them all. I guess it makes it cleaner, but short of clicking into the post, you can't see what the other tags are

[errant moth]

on mobile does it do the "optimistic UI" stuff where it looks like it posted but then immediately flips back to the post editor? 😄 I wasn't sure if I posted 5 times or 0 times

[native storm]

Oh, it does look like it ate my edit. Interesting.

[native storm]

Another nice feature would be if Discord hid followed threads from the thread list... So that I could see two newest threads without scrolling instead of one

[open inlet]

I'm writing forum software and I'm honestly offended that Discord thinks this is what a forum is.

[native storm]

Remember back in the old days when forums were literally just places in town where you could meet people who wanted to talk about philosophy and politics?

[harsh knoll]

I want this so badly on my server. It’s a much better way of discussing focused topics.

[knotty sentinel]

Nope

[grand rose]

It needs to support right-click "Mark as Read" so I can ignore everything in it easily.

[forest root]

It seems like if OP shared a link to a-million-dollar gift cards, only the first few commenters would find out because it's difficult to get to the parent post. Especially on popular post like this.

[native storm]

Unless the parent post got pinned, of course

[civic smelt]

Which the thread author should be able to do tbh

[knotty sentinel]

Honestly, I feel like they shouldn't have to. It should have a "Jump to OP" button in the UI, or maybe have the first post be auto-pinned

[native storm]

The latter sounds good

[timid sinew]

feature: GPT3 API for common rust questions

[opal lily]

[waxen elk]

having to make everything a fourm can get a little annoying. For simple questions, it's better to just have a channel to post them in. For example, my recent fourm could have simply been a few messages. It's not something that has to be super-searchable to justify creating it's own thread so-to-speak

[novel vapor]

That's why we have #981431562786725948

[native storm]

Btw, are we supposed to read the v2 in this thread title in German so that it alliterates?

[native storm]

Too bad it's unpinned due to technical limitations...

[civic smelt]

Looks like threads cannot be pinned on mobile

[dense nest]

that's quite a non-answer answer

[opal lily]

welcome to gpt-3

[dense nest]

stupid bad language model

not big enough

bigger I say

[native storm]

I don't know if it's just threads, but mobile discord is pretty bad at reporting why an image upload failed. It shows a split second toast on the first attempt (sometimes), and leaves a message hanging forever at the bottom of the thread, saying hold to show options. The only option is to retry. If the failure reason was tripping discord's filters by some red rocks, retrying won't help.

Not even restarting the client does anything.

Deleting the offending images and then reuploading replaces the error message with one I can delete as an option.

... Wait. You can pull out the menu and show more than one option. Discord just never bothers to indicate that anywhere. Or show more than one option in the first place. Even though it feels it has plenty of room at the top for the phone status bar (eh), thread name (I know where I am), containing channel name (come on) and... a persistent option to add one specific reaction of Discord's choice to the thread I'm in or to un/follow it.

Hold menus on other messages have the exact same misfeature. I just didn't recognize until long after the fact that it is actually the same scenario.

Tldr: Discord should display more than one option for the context menu. Current design not only requires an additional input, but also hides affordances. Missed affordances can cause severe permanent loss of functionality on a per thread basis. Also the error message actually saying why an image couldn't be uploaded should show for more than a split second. Ideally, add it to the persistent one.

[knotty sentinel]

Sigh. I'm tired of the UI/UX differences between Discord for PC, Android, and iOS in general. It's like they're not even trying at this point

[willow cedar]

i dont like it

[candid grail]

the heck is this UX

[knotty sentinel]

@candid grail What the hell happened here?

This isn't very good UX either. There's an entire screen's worth of space next to the title - use it!

[candid grail]

I was trying to send but the emoji suggestion menu got truncated

[rigid zinc]

we really need a way to jump to the top message

and to search for threads

[knotty sentinel]

At the top of a forum thread posted by someone you have blocked, the collapse box says "No blocked messages." This is obviously incorrect, as there is a message there by someone you have blocked

[native storm]

The solution is to not block people

[dense nest]

yes please!!
that is actually quite important for forums and threads

you always should be able to see the prompt
it's basically just the title but more detailed

[echo fossil]

this seems fixed now?

[errant moth]

the way entries "lift off" the page as you mouseover them is kinda weird and distracting

besides the motion, it seems to mess with the way the font antialiasing/hinting works, which gives it an unsettling crawling effect (might be only on my system/browser/whatever)

[oak moth]

Not sure if it's been mentioned already but if I click on search results that are in thread or forum post that I've not joined, I'm taken to the first channel (#rules-archive) instead of the message I clicked.
(On mobile)

I'm also not sure I can easily search forum posts by title, so it's very difficult to find things unless they're right in front of me already

(if I could search posts by title, I'd use that as a workaround to the issue above, of being unable to follow search results into posts)

[paper pecan]

Just noticed: The forum has retained a post I'd been procrastinating on writing up, between multiple restarts of my laptop, but if you make a tag selection for your post, it doesn't even retain it between switching servers... seems a bit odd to retain it that comprehensively, if it isn't going to go the entire way...

[graceful thorn]

if you press enter early when it asks you to input the title, then the title remains empty and you can't change it and you also can't post a post with an empty title

good job discord

👏

[pulsar parrot]

I like the feature

[solar delta]

it would be really nice to have a tooltip on the disabled "Post" button telling me that I need a Title before I can post, instead of letting me frantically click about for a few minutes 😅

[native storm]

Ironically enough, mobile does have this feature 😁

[burnt geode]

this also applies to clicking off the title in any way

this feature feels incredibly half-baked

[austere locust]

On web the title in a forum post doesn't allow you to type :

[paper pecan]

Apparently #modmail is a forum post... 👀

[nimble cliff]

Kinda but not really. It will open a private thread in that channel

[oak moth]

I think they're referring to the forum post tags of "code review request" and "beginner" that have appeared under the channel header

[nimble cliff]

Oh completely missed that 🤦

But yeah looks like a bug

[paper pecan]

Yeah, literally only needed to switch from a post to a channel where it's easy to see the beginning of the history, and I noticed those persist...

[oak moth]

Oh yep, now I'm getting it too

[paper pecan]

More specifically, you have to be following the channel, open it from the channel list, and switch to a channel. It doesn't occur if you open it from the forum channel, exit the post, and switch to a channel.

[paper pecan]

Wait, you can just delete the starting message for a forum post????

[wise obsidian]

ye

[paper pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/engineer-tf2-stblackst-stupid-gif-25702553

[echo fossil]

what's the alternative?

an undeletable message?

[paper pecan]

Closing/deleting the thread, or something...

[echo fossil]

that seems more heavy handed

[paper pecan]

Maybe, if it's the only message, just delete the post, given there weren't any additional contributions to it... if there we're follow-ups, keeping it open would make more sense, but locking the thread may be good...

[knotty sentinel]

lmao wtf Discord

[native storm]

This guild's founding ferret loves forums.

[echo fossil]

*making mart

[paper pecan]

I- open up my post, and the formatting on my message has just absolutely broken down...

[native storm]

It's the experimental poemizer bot discord is developing. Welcome to the B group.

[paper pecan]

Are forum posts only manually closed?

Or is there an automatic archive duration set...

[civic smelt]

there's an automatic expiration, just like on threads. in this channel, the default duration should be 24h, but you can change it

[topaz gale]

I've noticed that : is not a valid character for forum thread titles. Given this is rust, writing slice::get should probably be possible in the name of a thread

Same with `

[tardy trout]

In this example, we can no longer use user1 after creating user2 because the String in the username field of user1 was moved into user2. If we had given user2 new String values for both email and username, and thus only used the active and sign_in_count values from user1, then user1 would still be valid after creating user2

this is what was written in offical docs

and i used this code

struct User{
active:bool,
username: String,
email:String,
sign_in_count:u64,
}

fn main() {
let user1 = User{
active: true,
sign_in_count: 2,
username: String::from("KArtiksasa"),
email: String::from("[email protected]"),
};
let user2 = User {
username: String::from("bfdsbf"),
..user1
};

println!("your name is {}", user1.username);

}

it;s printing just fine

user1.username

but in docs it's saying after

..user1

user1 won't be vallid

i am new ,don't know if i am misunderstanding or what

[brave tangle]

Uh, this is the wrong channel

Or thread really

[tardy trout]

where to put it?

[brave tangle]

#rust-discussions-1

[tardy trout]

okay

[brave tangle]

Also please use code blocks to quote code

[candid grail]

-code

[velvet violet]

Please post your code examples and compiler output with code fences (```) around them. Example:
```rust
let (x, y) = (0, 42);
println!("Position at {}, {}", x, y);
```

let (x, y) = (0, 42);
println!("Position at {}, {}", x, y);

If the snippet is long or you want to demonstrate something, consider sharing it through the playground: https://play.rust-lang.org/ or https://www.rustexplorer.com/ or https://paste.rs/web.
Please avoid sharing screenshots of your code, as they're not very accessible. Using code fences or a shared snippet makes the code more readable and allows those helping you to copy-paste the code to help explain things.

[tardy trout]

okay

[twin bear]

bruh who is this goofy bot 💀