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#Common Quantifable Outcomes
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hot dune
Common Quantifable Outcomes
iron flame
its not about "extending it to Spring". its that you arent asking any specific question. you're asking
when using Spring MVC, what experiences have you had?
which boils down into "is Spring MVC useful? can you quantify it?"
its broad, and its opinion based
we've seen Spring MVC work on the field
so whats your real question?
basically asking "why use Spring MVC?"
it solved problems
had some task, had to choose which tool to use, Spring MVC worked
seems like you're asking "whats the purpose of Spring MVC", or "how does Spring MVC compare to ..." (without specifying the ...)
if you want to see Spring MVC at play, theres tons of examples
do you think it doesnt work? if so, ask about that
gotta be more specific
its broad, as in you arent asking about anything specific about MVC, just asking "is it good" basically
you are literally asking that
"what value does Spring MVC have"
yeah, but how can you deny that you arent asking about the purpose of MVC, whether its a good fit?
you wanna see it in action
no?
you wanna see where it shines
exactly, "how useful is this tool"
there are tons of examples online. going for personal experiences? youll get different answers
cause every experiences it differently
best to look towards where its used in high-traffic systems. you're just asking for personal preferences
ive done nothing. the times ive had to work with it, i just used it as it was meant to be used, and it worked
i didnt try putting it on some pedestal. its a tool, like a screwdriver
its like asking "what ways has a screwdriver improved your productivity?"
it does what it was designed to do. are there better tools? thats a different question
yeah, tons of businesses use it, and it works for them
thats where caching plays a role
you cant determine what a user wants when they havent interacted with the system yet
so all you can do is try to cache what has been proven by other users, and provide that pre-processed data to new users
are you asking if Spring MVC tackles the problem of FID?
first input rarely matters
if users are straying away from your app cause the first interaction takes more than 100ms, your app aint providing a service they really care about
optimizations are based on heuristics. and those heuristics can only be obtained after usage
depends on the app, the throughput
i mean, its possible. but you also have MVC apps with 2 second response times
because the implementation was poor
which is equivalent to using a screwdriver properly, VS not using it properly
load balancing is a thing
if theres high throughput, it could put load on the balancers, causing them to perform less
which results in either slower response times, or data that isnt "up to date"
it really seems like you're questioning the performance integrity of Spring MVC
throughput can cause congestion, which can lead to slower reponse times
they usually go hand in hand, yeah
it depends on what system they were using before
i mean, if some inexperienced dev wrote the system from scratch, theres a good chance using MVC will improve performance, since it's maintained by experienced devs
but MVC isnt just one thing. seems like you are more focused on the data sector
queries
it depends on the system they're working on. if they're working on a highly optimized system, then no
"how can we get better than the best?"
thats the million dollar question
and thats where you start looking towards the well-known projects which make use of it
thats the route to go
even though people have used Spring MVC here, you dont know their story. youll get different answers from different people
so its best to look at where it has worked in high-traffic areas
you can get opinions here, but with how broad the question is, could range from "it sucks, dont use it" to "its the best"
instead, look at some of the big-time open source projects, see how it plays a role
maybe mimick it, perform some benchmarks to see if the same works for your environment
wicked bough
How can Spring MVC relate to the performance improvement topic? I think it's a just web framework that has nothing to do with performance.
And I don't think a junior developer really have a lot opportunities to work on performance related tasks
Just stop thinking this way. You as a junior developer is supposed to write business logic, meaning to implement features. If your task is really improving performance you simply won't think Spring MVC has anything to do with performance.
And stop thinking you have to put so called metrics on your resume, out of nowhere
That would not only make your resume look unreal, but also look like you blindly copied the text from chatGPT
And in a workplace performance will only be improved when you have to. Meaning 99% of time there's no need to improve performance.
wicked bough
Imagine Im a professional F-1 race car driver. Now on my resume I wrote "optimized the engine design and improved the gas efficiency by 10%". Hell no I am a driver not a machenical engineer! This is what it looks when people put unrelated metrics on resumes out of nowhere, no matter what the title is.
And this 10% is non sense because improving engine efficiency by 10% takes decades or even generations of research by the whole industry. However I claim I accomplished this all by myself as a side hobby and it took one year.
Think about it. How do you answer this quick interview question:
You have a Spring MVC application and it's running slow. How would you improve the performance?
candid carbon
How can Spring MVC relate to the performance improvement topic? I think it's a j...
The used framework has a performance impact, and when using a framework there are often ways to optimalize the performance.
wicked bough
The used framework has a performance impact, and when using a framework there ar...
Can you give a concrete example like what optimization we can do related to Spring MVC? Lets assume we have locked in this framework for now. No need to consider other alternative frameworks.
candid carbon
The way the image is build & what's included, when & which beans are initialized, etc..
For example I can build the same spring cloud function with a massive difference in startup time.
wicked bough
For example I can build the same spring cloud function with a massive difference...
That's cool👍 Are you referring to building Java native images like GraalVM?
candid carbon
There are many techniques.
tight umbra
why would u want to delete a thread. that just hurts anyone else who wants to read upon it and learn
not sure i follow
u created a thread bc u had a question and now, a day later, u feel embarrassed about it or what?
tight umbra
unfortunate. but perhaps others may gain sth from it. so lets keep it up 🙂
candid carbon
In which regards? Why hide information from others?
How so? You post it on a public server?
By that reasoning you wouldn't be allowed to use our responses as they're our private property?
That's not how free, public support works. If you want such a thing you'll need to look into paid support.
Technically the server owner I guess.
Doing so is pretty poor form and will limit the people that are inclined to answer in the future.
Part of our help is that it's also for others with the same issue.
It's like a forum with deleted topic starts, it hollows things out.
But feel free to try #server-suggestions .
wicked bough
You are able to delete all your own msg I think
acoustic chasm
You can't do that
You still have to follow the server rules, and what about other people messages ?
Why would you be able to control what other can do, but not other ?
You are asking to have privileges but not other
Sure that's your thread, but other are still posting on it, and so they expect that their messages are their and not controlled by you
iron flame
but if you deleted the thread, you'd also be deleting the contributions made to it
candid carbon
You are able to delete all your own msg I think
But it's against the principles of this server, so askers should not do this.
final sundial
It's my opinion (and just my opinion, this is not a mod-statement), that the noise of such threads would be distracting.
I would anticipate that that the majority of regular helpers would not engage in these threads. As a volunteer, I would prefer a chance to help people en masse, rather than at most one - it's just not efficient use of effort, because there always more supplicants than supporters.
candid carbon
Anyway this is no longer related ot the original question, further discussion belongs in #server-suggestions .
final sundial
A good reason not to be able to delete the original question.
candid carbon
For reference @hot dune initially asked:
Hello everyone.
I was wondering what are some effective strategy/tools you would recommend for reducing first input delay in a Spring Web MVC application?
First input delay is the time between a user's first interaction with a webpage (e.g., clicking a button or link) and the moment the browser can start processing that interaction.
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