a way to make a java sockets server without port forwarding?

[mystic siren]

possible?

[shrewd plaza]

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Possible?

Yes, it is possible to create a Java sockets server without port forwarding by using techniques such as NAT traversal. One common approach is to use a technique called Hole Punching, which involves establishing a connection between two peers behind NAT devices by using an external server to facilitate the communication.

Another option is to use libraries or frameworks that handle the NAT traversal for you, such as WebRTC or STUN/TURN servers. These technologies can help establish direct connections between clients without requiring port forwarding.

Additionally, you can consider using a cloud-based solution like AWS or Azure to host your server, as these platforms typically handle the networking complexities for you and allow for easier communication between clients without the need for port forwarding.

Overall, while it is more challenging to create a Java sockets server without port forwarding due to the limitations of NAT devices, there are still viable solutions available that can help facilitate communication between clients effectively.

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[mystic siren]

wtf gefnius bot?

[covert saddle]

its just suggesting you offload the portforwarding to an external server

[mystic siren]

any free external hosts?

[covert saddle]

unless you're a student, who can get free credit for trusted source, there's not anything worth actually hosting on. you can probably find some sketchy vps

[mystic siren]

what abt heroku

[covert saddle]

what are you trying to host?

heroku isnt free anymore

that was the option until about last year

[mystic siren]

oh nvm

[mystic siren]

external server ig

[covert saddle]

they do have student options though

[mystic siren]

im not a student

[covert saddle]

what are you trying to host on the server

a chat program? a game?

[mystic siren]

the server that sends message packets to client

[covert saddle]

if you have a credit card, you can get $300 worth of free credit for google compute engine

[mystic siren]

i cant risk

[clear cedar]

if ur doing it on ur own computer, this technically has nothing to do with java anymore but with how local internet and ur router work

[covert saddle]

they dont charge your card after

[clear cedar]

port forwarding is simply required if u do it locally

[mystic siren]

i want to make it work globally

oh

[mystic siren]

then why do they ask for card

[covert saddle]

you shouldnt be hosting services from a personal PC though

[covert saddle]

bots

[mystic siren]

oh

[clear cedar]

thing is, ur router somehow needs to understand which computer in his network is supposed to handle traffic to/from a certain port

[covert saddle]

https://cloud.google.com/free

[mystic siren]

ohh

i need to research more

[clear cedar]

like, lets say theres traffic coming in to port 8000. should the router move this traffic to ur pc? or ur phone? or ur sisters pc?

thats what u tell ur router via port forwarding

[mystic siren]

aah

im gonna try googles for now

[clear cedar]

if u dont have access to ur router settings, u simply cant expose a computer to the outside world like that

[covert saddle]

https://cloud.google.com/free/docs/free-cloud-features

You are not billed during your Free Trial. When the Free Trial ends, all resources you created during the trial are stopped, and you will not be charged, unless you upgrade to a paid Cloud Billing account.

[clear cedar]

and then theres also the problem if u have ur own IP or a shared one

[mystic siren]

oh wait i did this before

lmao

[clear cedar]

latter is often the case when u dont pay extra to ur ISP and have a regular contract

[mystic siren]

so whats the best solution to hosting my server

[clear cedar]

in that case u couldnt fix it at all if ur hosting locally

unless u pay ur ISP more and change contracts or sth

[mystic siren]

would this work

its p old

[covert saddle]

nope, its expired

its either until you use the credits, or hit the deadline

[mystic siren]

welp

ok so how else can i host my server

[covert saddle]

if you have another card, start another trial 😎

[mystic siren]

i only got 1

😭

🫠

[covert saddle]

prepaid visa

can get them from just about any store, even convenience stores

like 7 11, if they have that in your area

[mystic siren]

im stuck in my moms basements

i dont got access to the outside world

(very real)

[covert saddle]

there are no trusted free hosting solutions anymore. once heroku stopped, thats was basically it

so you'd either have to host from your own machine (which i wouldnt recommend), or find a cheap vps

can get them for like $5-$10/month these days

[mystic siren]

hmm ok

[covert saddle]

you can also find some deals, like "$1/month for 3 months", but you have to cancel before it ends

[mystic siren]

its over for me 😅

do you think it would be possible to make a chat server using json requests

[covert saddle]

the data format isnt the problem. "what machine is going to facilitate message passing" is the problem

because that machine needs to allow multiple connections

[mystic siren]

nah i found a free site to do that

[covert saddle]

then sure, as long as you arent violating the ToS

[mystic siren]

sheesh

[covert saddle]

there are many hackish ways to achieve this, but many of them violate the ToS of the service

[mystic siren]

can u tell me 1 way plz

i have an idea of senidng the last 10 msgs to the client

or the client requesting it

[covert saddle]

dont think im allowed to talk about things that would violate ToS of services. just check the ToS to see if they explicitly disallow bots/scraping/third party app interaction

[mystic siren]

sure gimme a few sec

nuh uh

https://www.pythonanywhere.com/terms_v2/

i dont see anything

violating

i cn just make a simple python app that allows post requests

[covert saddle]

as long as the service is fine with it

keep in mind, there may be other termd at play. click the hyperlinks in the ToS

for example

You must comply with the Amazon Acceptable Use Policy

[heavy obsidian]

Keep a pre-paid visa card that you've run down to zero (or near zero) balance for times when a website asks you to enter a credit card.