#Public Thoughts?

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amber stoneBOT
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<@&987246964494204979> please have a look, thanks.

oak grove
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@cosmic phoenix Can you explain specifically what you mean by "governance system"

cosmic phoenix
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Like in terms of Voting, appointing representatives, government.

oak grove
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for what

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im not being purposefully obtuse

cosmic phoenix
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I'm working on a concept project based on Community creation (Colonization) from Web3 into the Real world.

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Right now I'm building a landing page for "Settler Signups"

oak grove
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Settling where

cosmic phoenix
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Into the Web3 environment.
Utilizing Cryptocurrency and NFT's, dApps, and eventually a blockchain as its birth core. As time goes on and the project becomes more popular and establishes a global stage. We transition into the real world with whatever idea we collaborate together.

oak grove
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What does that even mean?

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Are you high?

cosmic phoenix
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Just because you don't understand the concept I'm trying to pitch. Doesn't give you a right to throw shade.

oak grove
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i do understand the concept

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you are thinking of making a distributed organization

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where proprotional voting shares are distributed based on ownership of a token

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and you want to, abstractly, collaborate with that "community"

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a DAO, effectively

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its just an extremely played out, fundamentally flawed idea

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because it ignores all the aspects of actually running an organization that are inconvenient

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and you are thinking of using ChatGPT to summarize documents or whatever

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The mature and nuanced take is that you are just fucked from the word go if you want crypto, web3, or nfts to be involved in any capacity

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both on a technical level (they are all bad mechanisms for governance)

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and on a social level (nfts and crypto are dead dude)

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which, adding on that you don't seem to understand why "colonization" and "settler" are extremely fucked up things, doesn't exactly position you as a great person to build such a system

cosmic phoenix
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See. Throwing shade without even knowing. You automatically assuming the path in trying to take.

oak grove
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you are just fucked from the word go if you want crypto, web3, or nfts to be involved in any capacity
There is no extra context than can justify this

cosmic phoenix
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Well to be fair you're responding as fast as a chatbot giving me no time to personally type on a cell phone device my response and rebuttal

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All these "concept" titles and governance ideas are as said: CONCEPT with collaboration the path can and usually does change/evolve... As all GOOD Community's do.

But my core concept can't differ. Governance is mandatory just like in the real world. Without it stealing, hiding, hording, killing, invading... All happens. Granted even with "Governance" mankind still does all those things, but at a cost/penalty (ones which I honestly feel are too lenient)

And a good governance mechanism (protocol) is to have multi-levels of fail-safes; Checks and Balances.

What better way to do that than have its own community govern themselves in a democratic format with voting (Minus the Electoral College idea).

I envisioned a 5 Layer (Level) system: Where proposal on adding, subtracting, and restricting things depends on the votes (For and Against).

I have a diagram concept without crucial details on the voting system path.

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This concept can be used for implementing Cryptocurrency & NFTs for Web3 integration.

Or

Can start with straight backed and pooled Fiat too $USD.

No matter what an asset needs to be used as governance leverage and a form of payment. Because nothing's free and never will be.

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And to be frank, anyone who says NFT and Cryptocurrency is dead obviously are "FUD" sheep.

You got burned or missed out on a Lucrative opportunity before it became popular due to your insecurities and hesitations... But now it's too late and you can't make money off it really so most end up saying exactly what you said

oak grove
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whats this stuff

oak grove
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Your concept here is voting shares - same as any publically owned company - just worse

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it is a structure that provably consolidates wealth over time

oak grove
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you have no interest in making anything actually good for the world

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just in getting money or getting enough power that you get to be the boot of capitalism this time

oak grove
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or have safeguards in place for malfesience

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but virtue of giving proportional power via money you've just made a system where "rich people win" which

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dude.

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the reason you are going to have trouble getting good feedback is because this entire system, structure, and concept have played out

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multiple times before

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and competent people know that

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You got burned or missed out on a Lucrative opportunity before it became popular due to your insecurities and hesitations... But now it's too late and you can't make money off it really so most end up saying exactly what you said

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I understand why this is comforting to believe, but it is simply not true

oak grove
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^evergreen

cosmic phoenix
# oak grove governance systems, real ones, need to account for situations like "person with ...

You keep having it fly over your head...

The system I'm working on ensures all those things.

Hence the 5 levels of Governance.

Level one is citizens/natives
Level 2-4 have yet to be given title and purpose, but still fulfill the need of ratifying and voting (similar to the Governance of American Democracy)
And level 5 is the top people (President, vice , founder, and Co-founder)

Presidents and vice are voted on and appointed in the beginning. Just like most country's they will have a "term" limit. All levels 2-5 (minus Founder and Co-founder) will

Founder and Co-founder are permanent titles. When they pass away (die) their titles change to CEO & Co-CEO which are there after inheritance titles only given to the ones voted on.

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It throws a hint of Patriarchal beginnings and gradually fades into a Governing body.

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All voted in on.

The number of "seats" from levels 2 - 4 is undefined because that would depend on the total population and would have to alter as the population grows.

The ones who are "Settlers" are appointed temporary positions in the levels of Governance.

Once the seats are all filled, all those who initially signed up as Settlers obtain the title Native.

New people can join in as migrants for free and pay a fee along with some security docs for KYC purposes and legal purposes to obtain their "Citizenship".

From there they can stay that way and just engage, or if they have actual knowledge in society, programming, design, or anything thats useful they can submit a proposal for a higher governance level (if ones available).

The level of Governance one obtains is going to be proportionate to what they can contribute and how much knowledge they have.

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The verification, Badges of Governance Levels, Fee payments, all contribute to the Community and the Cause

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As per every country on this planet. Citizenship isn't free, not even for natives.

Trade, services, entertainment, basic living needs, all come at a price... It's how Humanity governs itself in the real world.

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And should be no different anywhere else.

However, most if not all country's on this planet have poor management of its societal economy and inner workings of its own governance.

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Because they are all power hungry or far Left or Right Extremist

oak grove
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It's how Humanity governs itself in the real world.
No, you vote because you are given the right to vote in a democracy

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your system inherently eschews the concept of a "right"

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As per every country on this planet. Citizenship isn't free, not even for natives.
Citizenship is free for natives, what are you even talking about

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the reason you can't separate the financial aspect of this from the social aspect isn't because intrinsically society is "pay to play", its because without it there is no point for you

cosmic phoenix
oak grove
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and also the metaphor of natives/settlers/colonizers...man

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pick a less "millions dead, millions dying" analogy

cosmic phoenix
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Why... Why think small

oak grove
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shit reminds of how New Hampshire went full libertarian

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and just sorta is learning how governments work live on TV

cosmic phoenix
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And btw I am a NH resident

oak grove
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and that makes sense

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fuck man, take a civics class

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anything

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form a union!

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that would be fun

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you get to learn how real shit has to work

cosmic phoenix
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Why would I wish to learn about a flawed system of government and society.

Id much rather recreate the wheel and do it better

oak grove
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and you'll figure out real quick that a shitty, inefficient mechanism for straw polls

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that just doesn't solve anything

oak grove
cosmic phoenix
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The system I'm working isn't "designed" to [Solve anything] it designed to replace

oak grove
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its "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

oak grove
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they cause others, but they do solve problems that are real

cosmic phoenix
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No it implements ways to solve problems in a democratic format

oak grove
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You can vote without crypto

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its easy

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we've been doing it since forever

cosmic phoenix
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The vote won't use crypro

oak grove
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then why does any of it

cosmic phoenix
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It's a currency just like another. Fees and payments don't "have" to be in crypto... But it is an innovative way to control the economy by giving those who put in the power to determine it's worth.

oak grove
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which serve a "continuous funding" purpose

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But it is an innovative way to control the economy by giving those who put in the power to determine it's worth.
It is innovative in exactly zero ways

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make an organization that solves an actual goal better than an existing system

cosmic phoenix
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Union dues, state tax, federal tax, income tax, IRS tax, gratuity cash tax... Bro your fighting with me about funding. Had none of these "existed" how would anything get done ... On the word of my good name? Please honor is dead

oak grove
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don't make a system that has an undefined 2-4 tiers of people having never looked up anything about the history of governance structures and just assume it will be better than everything and you'll take over the world

oak grove
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but the way you've described them is purposeless

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pure profit

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taxes go to roads, union dues go to salaries and war chests

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We transition into the real world with whatever idea we collaborate together.

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you have no goal

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just "get people in a room, and they've all given me money.. step 2: ???, step3: Profit"

cosmic phoenix
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Damn straight. It's the way of the Underpants Gnomes

oak grove
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you can form a non-profit or other organizational structure without doing any of this bullshit

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and that could actually be useful, especially if you are in a field without a union

oak grove
cosmic phoenix
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Lmfao. Do/did you not watch South Park growing up?

oak grove
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I did, I just didn't base my entire belief system on it

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oh i get it

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nvm this ones on me

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still incoherent tho

cosmic phoenix
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Oh jeez 🙄 was a joke man.

Let's put it all like this.

I'm looking for insight and ideas to incorporate into my governance concept.

Can stem from coding, finances, program design, website design, algorithm and Mechanism structuring and coding... Anything dude.

If I have to essentially explain my entire thought process and how it all should work then why would I care about asking for assistance and help or even a community?

I would just launch my idea and shadow govern

drifting wharf
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all good here?

cosmic phoenix
oak grove
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I haven't seen that movie so idk if thats apt

cosmic phoenix
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Not movie. Yes the name I'm referencing is a movie... But no I'm referring to you as a descendant of Caine's lineage

drifting wharf
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just try to stay nice and friendly. if u can't, just move along and do sth else 👍

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fair enough, then perhaps we close this for now?