Stranger Things Season 5 Spoiler Channel

[sweet cobalt]

it's sad honestly

[coarse peak]

litch he’s NEVER on the clock

[sweet cobalt]

I wish they could release the cut stuff

[rare whale]

But where's all the extra footage from when they so called got the memo to wrap it up

[sweet cobalt]

But honestly even with having run out of odeas

[coarse peak]

that’s my bday omg

[sweet cobalt]

They still didn't need to screw Mike over that badly

[onyx wraith]

Just fucking look at sttwt like helloooo? 😭

[rare whale]

I wish they played off dnd lore more...

[sweet cobalt]

RIGHT

LMFAO

[rare whale]

Theres so much there and they just went

Nah

[sweet cobalt]

Like be fr ao3 did better

[coarse peak]

he has no character depth

i miss the mysterious town vibes from season 1

season 3 was my fav

[sweet cobalt]

(I should clarify this is just a meme I keep seeing 😭)

[coarse peak]

and season 4 used to be my least fav but now it’s season 5 that wins

[onyx wraith]

vol 1 was ao3 writing. vol 2 was wattpad writing. vol 3 was my Pages writing on my school tablet from when I was 10

[sweet cobalt]

Yes

[sweet cobalt]

LMFAO

im dying rn

[onyx wraith]

I love season 4 but I must admit it’s because of byler

I didn’t care about anything else happening

Actually I care about ronance too

Byler and Ronance

[coarse peak]

guys is it bad if i HATED byler

[onyx wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-stranger-things-gif-26307988

[coarse peak]

only because i HATE will

[onyx wraith]

I mean to each their own

[coarse peak]

i also hated mileven because i lowk hate el

[onyx wraith]

ok this is sad

[rare whale]

👀

[coarse peak]

and i lowk hate mike too

[rare whale]

Must have been the wind

[onyx wraith]

Ronance was so good bro rip

[coarse peak]

sorry i can’t take the crying scenes every 2 seconds seriously

[rare whale]

It would have done so good

[coarse peak]

i still stand by the fact that robin is in love w nancy

[onyx wraith]

Will is my favorite

[rare whale]

Someone made a good point

[onyx wraith]

You cannot tell me they didn’t have something going on.....

[rare whale]

That aint even Robin in the epilog thats just Maya hawke

[coarse peak]

the stolen glances from robin

[onyx wraith]

Doesnt robin make a jab at nancy over “babes” at college

[rare whale]

😭😭😭

[coarse peak]

she has that effect

[rare whale]

I think so

[onyx wraith]

Nancy lesbian arc

[rare whale]

I just

[coarse peak]

unforch i have to disagree because i really do love dustin and lucas and max and steve and robin

the only characters i loved

[onyx wraith]

also that short hair looks soooooo good on Nancy

[rare whale]

Dont like how she went from non conforming to literal fem

[onyx wraith]

I love all of those but like. I relate to Will so much :(

[rare whale]

Which is fine but like not realistic

[coarse peak]

my parents asked if nancy was gay because of her haircut

[rare whale]

Thats jus MAYA HAWKE ON MY SCREEN

Not Robin Buckley

[coarse peak]

my biggest outrage in life is my best friend seeing maya hawke live without me (we weren’t friends at the time but still)

[onyx wraith]

I know someone whose son works for shawn levy so anything is possible I think

[rare whale]

Like why did they think this was a good outcome

[onyx wraith]

Incel chuds

[coarse peak]

literally this is not rhe message they should be promoting bro

they also butchered will’s coming out scene

[rare whale]

LMFAO SOMEONE SAID IT WAS HARDER TO BEAT BILLY THEN VECNA AND THE MIND FLAYER

[coarse peak]

LMFAO WHY IS THAT SO TRUE

[rare whale]

He even said that It was really uncomfortable for him to even do

[onyx wraith]

not only that, he tried to talk to the duffers and have them change it. they didn’t change it. instead they decided not only to NOT to listen to their only gay actor, but to make fun of him in interviews where he says they don’t listen to him. alright man

[rare whale]

I dont owe kali anything bro

[sweet cobalt]

OH CRAP

[rare whale]

Yeah.

[sweet cobalt]

wait

[rare whale]

He like was really uncomfortable doing it in front of everyone like a play type performance but thats literally his life

[sweet cobalt]

I have to be true to my word

[onyx wraith]

Oh boy

[rare whale]

So specific

Can you shave it and put #byler4ever

[onyx wraith]

My word was just “if byler doesn’t happen I will write a better series where Theres an elaborate queer slowburn and it DOES happen”

[sweet cobalt]

let me ask my manager

[onyx wraith]

so just hang in there guys. in 15 years or so i will save everyone

[sweet cobalt]

I'm counting on you

[onyx wraith]

Wait o for some reason I thought I was 15 years old for a second

[sweet cobalt]

spooky

the finale was bad but

[onyx wraith]

I was like “10 years is too short because in 10 years I will be 25... i need to make this estimated time longer”

[rare whale]

Did you know that in Indiana in the 80s bright orange wasnt a color used for graduation

💀

[onyx wraith]

this means we’re all getting vecna’d

this means

this

means

[sweet cobalt]

omg they were right

It's all a trick

[onyx wraith]

we’re all getting vecnad and BRAINWASHED.....

[sweet cobalt]

Fake ending

[rare whale]

They were actually red

[onyx wraith]

conformitygate ............

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[sweet cobalt]

Vecna is controlling us we're gonna get the real ending on march 22

[rare whale]

Guys i made it to the sttwt

💀💀💀💀

[sweet cobalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395204634666074194/1429948950009352343/Tyler_calculation.gif

[sweet cobalt]

I don't have that level of courage right now

[rare whale]

YOU LITTLE SHIT

False hydra...

It makes an area forget it exists by singing

I found this on twt

[onyx wraith]

I’m excited to marauders this fandom

[onyx wraith]

I like to think that this is him in the future in his shared apartment with Will and they’ve been dating for 7 years and have 2 cats

bro when I tell you he’s still wearing he and Will’s matching watches in that shot ?????

standing face to face with I told you so 😭

also I’m sorry but why did the party put their dnd binders away after they graduated as if they don’t have the whole summer to keep playing dnd

[undone gyro]

They dropped each other 🙁

Idfk

That’s so funny

[rare whale]

Dustin is moving away

[onyx wraith]

they kept being like “we’ll never grow apart!” yes you do fool

[rare whale]

But the rest idk

Wait they changed the color of the spinny thing that Holly is on

[undone gyro]

How do you even be normal after all that

[rare whale]

😭

[rare whale]

You dont

[undone gyro]

🫩

[rare whale]

Lol

Idk i just it doesn't feel like a true ending

Everyone is sat so odd... at the graduation

They are all sat the same way.

Every single one of them.

[novel vigil]

even if the ending is mid it’s hard not to like it

[rare whale]

This is unsettling

[hollow night]

rewatched the finale

it was perfect

people be hating

have some fun

[graceful prawn]

i just finished watching and i fully expected it to be ass bc i didnt like 95% of the season

but i loved that finale so much

oh my gosh

[onyx wraith]

It was fun to watch but there are wayyyyyy too many plot holes for me

I’m not one to judge what other people like because I love the Disney zombies movies

so do whatever you want I guess

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-addison-zed-zombies3-grooving-gif-25890031

[night rose]

name one

[onyx wraith]

I can name 20

also Matt Duffer said that “Eleven did not communicate with Mike in any way” so what the fuck was that scene then

Did he just hallucinate that

also another thing I forgot to write down: why did Will not die when they killed vecna/the hivemind. when the brain dies the body dies. he wasn’t even affected

there wasn’t even a fakeout death

bro has been typing for 10 minutes

[keen orbit]

Anyone have a theory for how El recognizes Will season 1

[onyx wraith]

I thought maybe she saw him in Henry’s mind when Brenner was forcing her to search for stuff but I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed that she wasn’t ever able to find Henry so idk

Henry, not Brenner sorry

I saw a theory that she may have been the one to open the door to the shed. Henry was possibly targeting her, and she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. But Will looks up when the door opens, not eye level like he probably would have had it been a child

[onyx wraith]

are you writing an article in here goddamn

you’ve been typing for like 20 minute

excited to read ur novel

[night rose]

thank you

[night rose]

i have watched over 100 interviews on season 5 alone so i have some answers and some thoughts. a lot of these aren't major plotholes,
the cast and crew have mentioned that fans read into details too much and some things exist just for the sake of it. not everything has to have meaning but i appreciate your attention to detail.

it was pretty evident that the mind flayer was the main villain. in the play the last show, henry was infected by the mf and in s5 yeah he says he did this to himself but he is just that far gone that he sees it as himself at this point/he has accepted it as this is him.

mind flayer was explained in s2 as an ancient evil entity with its only purpose to take over the world. they took that info from dnd manual but that is what we are to believe it is. it possessed henry cos he came into contact with it in the cave. and it used him as a vessel. i assume it would have infected anyone else who came into contact with it too.

the high school scenes were just a nod to the play, the duffers mentioned this a few times in interviews. they only sprinkled a few TLS easter eggs in there, not a lot. the school and its students are explored a lot in the play so no need to explore it again in the show.

the water in the dep tank is a good pick, i didnt notice that.

12 children, its just a number, it couldve been 15 and people would still ask why 15. but 12 could be like jesus disciples. it could just be a number, who knows. i feel not everything small like this needs explaining but then again this is a top server.

all the parents seemed to disappear yeah

mike made up that theory of el as a story. he seems to be a writer now. what i think is that he knows she died but he wrote that just to give her a nicer ending.

funny about the lack of demos too

the duffers mentioned in an interview they had every monster in this season except the bats. they said it was just too much so they cut the bats.

I think vecna targeted will cos he saw him alone on the road so just a good opportunity for him to strike while no one else is around. could have been any kid alone on the road.

the duffers confirmed it was vecna in an interview who opened the door in season 1, i dont understand why though.

i think el saw will in the upside down when she opened the gate. im pretty sure she says that she saw him in the upside down in season one. i only watched that a couple days ago.

state gov/hawkins lab took over the autopsy in season 1 and made a dummy body. i guess if they can create telekinses in kids it would be much easier for them to create a fake body.

yeah its funny how they go back and forth wearing protection against the air in the UD.

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[night rose]

i just wanted to make sure i had everything right

[night rose]

this is interesting

[onyx wraith]

I know that the mindflayer lore is based on d&d but it’s not a very deep explanation which is odd when paired with the fact that the UD for example went from “bottom of the dnd board” to “wormhole created by an evil scientist”

[onyx wraith]

She opened the gate before he was kidnapped, or at the same time

Shortly before I think

Also ANOTHER thing is that they implied El created the Upside Down but then they’re like oh no actually it was dr brenner . If dr brenner created the upside down then why was he so shocked and baffled by it

like you created a wormhole of course the area is going to be unstable

[night rose]

my understanding is that hawkins existed, abyss/dimension x existed, then when el sent henry through the wall, he went to the abyss. then in season 1 when she opened the gate, that created the wormhole and create the bridge/the upside down

where did you read brenner created it?

[onyx wraith]

Dustin said it while he was explaining it to Steve

There were piles of manuals in that one room, written by Brenner, all detailing how it was created

[night rose]

really? ill have to watch it again. was dustin not just talking about the journal?

[onyx wraith]

but we only saw a few pages

[onyx wraith]

No I’m pretty sure he meant the wormhole itself

I could be wrong

[night rose]

interesting, ill have to give it another watch

[onyx wraith]

Dr. Brenner was obsessed with trying to reach dimension x so it would make sense

[night rose]

maybe he was just researching this stuff before it came to fruition

[night rose]

yeah

yesterday i learnt that the project philly was a real conspiracy

that they had in the play

[onyx wraith]

I haven’t seen the play so idk what that is

[night rose]

do you want a link

[onyx wraith]

I only know kind of a basic outline of it

[onyx wraith]

sure

[night rose]

seems the most recent upload was taken down, but every few days they reupload it to youtube under the title "stranger things slime tutorial" or "the last shadow slime tutorial"

[onyx wraith]

Oh that

[night rose]

it gives a lot of context of henry

yeah it is around 2 hours

[onyx wraith]

I know how to find play bootlegs don’t worry

I meant I want a link on the philly project

[night rose]

ohhh ok one moment

[onyx wraith]

Because when I looked it up all I saw was like, housing projects

in Philadelphia

[night rose]

https://youtu.be/K4YDw9x6s6c?si=1Xhqzzb4xj1Ybl7k
https://youtu.be/TNKZz-C0EOc?si=at3vRMUBS_6mRh2R

[onyx wraith]

OH THAT

I remember that now

I didn’t know that was real damn

[night rose]

i didnt know about it!

it is just a conspiracy but who knowssss

[onyx wraith]

Yeah the montauk project was a real conspiracy too

bro my jaw dropped when Hopper suggested they move to montauk

insane

[night rose]

i didnt pick up on that cos i researched montauk project after the finale

but i can imagine haha

[onyx wraith]

That was a really fun easter egg

[night rose]

do you think the project is cannon in there world or he said it as easter egg?

[onyx wraith]

Well

It is more or less canon in their universe, just not in Montauk

[night rose]

these are a few q's i had after a rewatch of season 1

How did the demogorgan appear in eleven’s mind when they flashed back to the bathtub scene? She had not opened the gate to the upside down yet

How go gates appear and then disappear? Like in the tree

How did will light up the alphabet wall when in the upside down?

[onyx wraith]

So personally no I don’t think so but how would we know

[night rose]

i think so too

[onyx wraith]

They explain the lights in season 4

[night rose]

yeah i just dont understand because the UD was created and stayed frozen in the time it was created, then joyce hung up the lights meaning that they wouldnt exist in the UD in that moment will is lighting them. does that make sense?

[onyx wraith]

When in the UD, you get close to where a light would be in the RU you can see the light particles and when you interact with them, you make them brighter in the RU

[onyx wraith]

Yeah I don’t know it’s all weird

Time fuckery with the wormhole maybe

Like I said lots of questions left behind 😭

[night rose]

i guess that is something they dont want us to look into too much

[onyx wraith]

Which is such a shame because they’ve said in interviews the show is meant to be analyzed 💔

“I don’t believe in coincidences” and it was all a coincidence

[night rose]

maybe a lot is left up to interpretation

[onyx wraith]

I suppose

[night rose]

anyway im heading out now 😊 thanks for chattin

[onyx wraith]

Idk. I don’t think there’s any denying or working around the fact that the writers didn’t really know what was going on this season

We can make excuses all we want but those don’t heal the confusion

[onyx wraith]

Ofc!!

[golden axle]

my final thoughts on the finale bc i need to get them out somewhere:

• the final battle was very cool
• overall the first half was good but only because of hype moments
• it was plagued with inconsistent writing though (like why did will not feel pain when the MF was being lit up or when joyce decapitated vecna, where were all the demos, what happened to the air being bad)
• no stakes at all, which im not super mad about but it wouldve been impactful to have more permanent damage done to the characters in the final battle
• kali shouldn't have died. el shouldn't have died. you dont end a cycle of abuse by killing yourself. also killing off the only brown character in the cast was a choice!
• i cant believe noah had to beg to add that radio tower scene in, they werent even going to include it originally. its dogshit but better than nothing.
• joyce decapitating vecna was perfect. im glad she was the one to do it, she deserved it the most
• i wish they tied TFS in more, especially since the adults had a connection to henry that wouldve been interesting to explore a little
• i thought el's fakeout death at the hands of hopper was very well done
• as a matter of fact pretty much every vecna scene was fantastic, jamie campbell bower did a great job
• the kids were awesome too, i think its very cute that in the end its kinda implied that holly and derek are at the very least best friends.
• the ending for each character felt a little too predictable, but i didnt fully hate it even though i wish they explored how each character changed after what happened.
• i also wish there were consequences for the military b plot
• the homage to eddie was beautifully done
• jopper proposal was perfect
• a little pissed rovickie didnt stay together but instead she was referred to as an "overbearing partner"
• lumax endgame
• the final dnd game mirroring the first was great
• i hate how they left eleven's death up for interpretation, it really lessened the impact of that whole scene

[peak bobcat]

the school and its students are explored a lot in the play so no need to explore it again in the show.
HARD disagree. a play isnt a piece of media you can freely watch, it was limited and afaik US only. if they want to take this route they shouldve filmed and released it on netflix.

[onyx wraith]

Yeah

Bro I’m looking at the st5 playlist I made in 2022 and there are SIX songs on there that ended up in the official soundtrack. I am so goated

[peak bobcat]

like the fact we have nothing on young henry outside of "he was mindflayed" makes it very hard to sympathise with them the way the show clearly wanted me to

because from my pov he bashed a dudes head in and decided this evil space entity was badass

[golden axle]

i think thats it but also a couple things not really fully related to the ending but still important:

• there's so much they left unanswered and the fact that some of it was saved for a spinoff is so ...
• they slaughtered mike and eleven's relationship in season 4 so they could queerbait through the rest of the show, and i hate that
• they used will's pain to uplift that relationship, only for it to end how it did
• also they used a lesbian relationship to uplift will's storyline then threw that out at the last minute. i hate that
• what happened with the russians?
• what happened with the demobats?
• there were no stakes throughout the whole show for the main cast which again i dont fully mind but constantly faking out deaths of main characters makes them feel way less impactful
• a big issue ive realised i have with the show as a whole is that i believe when it comes to writing, there needs to be a balance between realism and good storytelling. and at times, it felt they were trying to lean too far into "realism" and at others too far into "good storytelling". maybe those arent like the proper words im looking for here but i hope you get what im trying to say.

[peak bobcat]

did we ever find out why the wormhole was stuck in the 70s btw?

they slaughtered mike and eleven's relationship in season 4 so they could queerbait through the rest of the show, and i hate that
I actually really liked how those threes relationships were handled. mike was so very clearly not interested in will in that way, mainly because hes straight. this was very heavily established through the whole show

and will is clearly, on some level, understanding of that and still wants his friendship with mike. "id rather have a friend than nothing at all" heavily echoing steve and nancy

I also dont mind them all surviving but I do think someone on the main cast shouldve been severely injured, specifically steve trying to protect dustin (but surviving in some part because dustin chose to be proactive this time)

[onyx wraith]

It’s less about whether they intended Mike to be straight for me, and more about the fact that, if they hadn’t, and if he’d ended up with Will, it would’ve been probably the best queer rep in all of cinema
Also, Mike is, actually, arguably very queercoded

[graceful prawn]

as someone who nitpicks things a lot i couldnt get myself to dissect all the plotholes of this cause it was just so emotional and perfect and sweet and i adore this ending in every way

[onyx wraith]

I think when I say “Mike is queercoded” people think I mean “Mike is explicitly stated to be gay,” which, no, that’s not what queercoding is. Queercoding means writing a character in such a way that they resonate heavily with queer audiences, either through allegory or through similar lived experiences. So much of the queer audience saw themselves in Mike, and that is why I say he’s queercoded. So regardless of whether you picked up the subtext, regardless of whether it was intentional, it was there. No one can take that away from us.

Just putting this out there

[peak bobcat]

I dont see mike as queercoded at all tbh

[onyx wraith]

Please read what I just wrote

[peak bobcat]

id argue hes more subtly autistic than anything

[onyx wraith]

Just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not there

[golden axle]

im not going to argue my point because the show is over atp, it doesnt matter what my opinion is. i know i made it sound like its mostly related to byler, but really the way they handled mileven after season 4 was just not great. i liked their dynamic between seasons 1-3, and although it was unhealthy especially in the later seasons, it was still cute and i couldve seen it be endgame (even if they wouldnt have stayed together forever). but then they did their plotline in season 4, and mike was only able to say i love you after will lied to him about the painting. then in season 5 things were very ambiguous as to the fate of that relationship, having their limited conversations feel very platonic, then only to have them confirmed to still be together in the finale and to have eleven die at the end, and a lot of the ambiguity arguably was to build up to something between will and mike, especially with the conversations between robin and will in the hospital and then later in shock jock.

[peak bobcat]

the reverse could also be said..?

[onyx wraith]

Also multiple things can be true at the same time

what would the reverse be 😭

[graceful prawn]

its interpretation i dont get why this queercoding of characters is being pushed as objective truth

[peak bobcat]

that just because you see yourself in mike that it doesnt make him queercoded

[onyx wraith]

that’s how coding works though

[peak bobcat]

because theres just nothing objectively there thats an allegory to queer experiences over 80s nerd insecurity

[golden axle]

but even without the queercoding within the show, there was also baiting outside of the show that also added to all the speculation. and i also genuinely believe they couldve and shouldve shut it down if they werent planning on going down that route, similarly to how they shut down other things in that time, and they didnt.

[peak bobcat]

dont you remember the season 4 car ride?

[undone gyro]

Real

[graceful prawn]

theres nothing wrong with seeing yourself like that in a character but its just strange to firmly plant down that its objectively queerbaiting and queercoding and that theres no other interpretation

[peak bobcat]

where wills talking about his feelings but mike, not liking will that way, reads it as eleven?

like they were very firmly "theyre just best friends"

[undone gyro]

I didn’t really care about byler but the representation would’ve been awesome

[peak bobcat]

its an unrequited love story thats very shaky and awkward because theyre teenagers

[undone gyro]

What Mike could’ve been was awesome

[onyx wraith]

where will explicitly SAYS it is eleven btw. That was not mike being stupid, that was Will being Cyrano

[peak bobcat]

yes but its also very very clearly will talking about his feelings and mike isnt quite dumb enough to not see it

if it was what mike wanted, hed have read it as it was intended

[onyx wraith]

not necessarily

[golden axle]

honestly its up to you whether you believe it or not but in my personal opinion there was something there, and it was heavily tied into mike and el's relationship feeling so off in the last 2 seasons.

like i said i couldve easily gotten behind their relationship if it werent for how it was handled in the last 2 seasons, and i personally feel that it was simply a casualty of queerbaiting. but thats just how i feel.

[undone gyro]

Real

There was no reason to write Mike like that if he wasn’t queer

[peak bobcat]

yeah, I just dont see it, the distance between mike and el was a pretty big driving force in their emotional distance, that and hoppers overparenting the season prior

[graceful prawn]

it feels so much more freeing to actually just enjoy the show instead of being wrapped up in some far stretched fanfiction relationship

[peak bobcat]

like to the point where they parallel it with jonathon and nancy

[undone gyro]

I don’t care for byler I just think it was written silly

[graceful prawn]

im fine with byler but i just find so many of the arguments out of disappointment with it not happening to just be a bit silly

[peak bobcat]

I'd have been okay with byler but I just think it wasnt set up the way so many people see it and I feel like it'd have messed with prior parallels to arcs we've seen

[golden axle]

i personally cared a lot about it because it wouldve been great queer rep that i didnt have growing up, and in todays political climate i genuinely believe its more important than ever to have that rep. i dont think i wouldve cared as much (i still wouldve cared a decent amount tho) if the canon queer relationship didnt get tossed out last minute and barely even mentioned in the end though.

[peak bobcat]

yeah that did piss me off tbf

[undone gyro]

True

[graceful prawn]

he still got a boyfriend in the epilogue though

and robin's relationship existed too

[peak bobcat]

robin got so robbed despite being the team mvp this season

[golden axle]

except that wasnt really real, mike made it up

[undone gyro]

Real

[peak bobcat]

like deadass if robin wasnt there, series ends episode 4 and vecna wins and they couldnt let her have her happy ever after with vickie

kill the duffers tbh

[golden axle]

and robins relationship did exist, and i liked rovickie, but it felt strange how it was used to build up will's character arc then at the last minute they broke up and we dont get a mention of vickie outside of robin saying something about "overbearing partners"

[peak bobcat]

I choose to believe all of that happened except els because mike is delusional

in truth el went to albequerque and started cooking

[golden axle]

yeah thats fair. i mean they left the party's fates up for interpretation

[golden axle]

she transitioned and became walter hartwell white

[graceful prawn]

good ending

[peak bobcat]

40 min epilogue for "idk you decide how it ends" tho like 😭

season 3 did the same ending but far more concise its crazy

[peak bobcat]

so thats why hes bald!

[golden axle]

elevens fate being up for interpretation bothers me more than the rest of them though. i mean i loved the lumax ending, dustin going to college after being valedictorian made sense and i loved that for him, will finding his place and maybe finding love is great even if i wish it was a little different personally, and mike being a writer i could easily see happening, but el's death was meant to hold a lot of emotional weight (even if i very much disagree with the sentiment behind the idea its okay to end a cycle of abuse by killing yourself likr that) and it lessens the effect if theres a possibility she lived. but also her living and going to iceland where shes all alone also sucks as an ending.

[graceful prawn]

yeah i thought it was a weak cop out to insinuate the potential of her being alive

[golden axle]

el honestly deserved better

[graceful prawn]

so i just interpreted it as mike being delusional and coping

and fantasizing

[peak bobcat]

Honestly I think I'd have been ok with it if mike was a writer and explorer, travelling the world and trying to find el along the way

Almost as his way of coping with the upside down being gone like he needs some sort of connection to that whole experience

Which would've made him a fascinating foil to Nancys arc too being a hometown newspaper writer

[golden axle]

also theres this. like this wasnt in the show but like 😭

[distant spire]

this is fucking ass

[undone gyro]

LMFAO

what are your takes

[distant spire]

im not even done it yet

im just pissed

BRO THERES STILL FOURTY FUCKING MINUTES

???? WHY BRO

[undone gyro]

LOLLL

That’s how I felt

[distant spire]

THERES NOTJING ELSE TO DO???

ITS OVERmmm

[undone gyro]

I was half way through and was like what else could possibly happen rn

[distant spire]

WHAT IS HAAAAPPRNING

oh

she exploded

alright

well that's that

brushes of shoulder

[distant spire]

sex ed teacher.

that lady didn't playing the bass right

[river birch]

my only thing about the dep tank water being there is that maybe it's not water

maybe it's a more highly conductive solution

or maybe it was just mixed with so much salt

but not water would be cool

[mental mantle]

peak

[worthy fulcrum]

I finished it!

[worthy fulcrum]

Yes, I love that they brought it back!

I got scared that we wouldn’t get any more Mind Flayer because they didn’t even mention it for like two full seasons, but there it was!

[mental mantle]

season 3 was amazing, i loved the mind flayer so much so im so happy it came back

[sweet cobalt]

Im crying

[sweet cobalt]

What you think will happen when you lift a rock:

[obsidian birch]

||other thing about ST spin-off and ST 5: There's a recurring mystery surrounding the minerals from the Upside Down. It remains unclear who stole them for research in Hawkins before that man escaped, leading to the misunderstanding that Henry was the culprit.||

[polar timber]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdmreLWQ/

And another

[peak bobcat]

how could she possibly have disappeared at all?

[rare whale]

I just wanna know how the military just let hop go after he like... took out half of them AND THEN GOT HIS JOB BACK!?

[rare whale]

Unless these mfs are saying the 6 deaths were Henry, 001, mr whatzit,vecna, kali

[river birch]

annoying prick soldier too

[river birch]

my copium is that hop (having already beaten the shit out of kay) did what he did at the end of season 1 and was like "we're going to go home and we are going to forget about this, if you don't then all of this will be blown wide open to the rest of the world" and since they had like 3 journalists in the group anyway they mightve been more likely to comply

[rare whale]

Oh yeah him too

[river birch]

official copiums:

• water in the dep tank in the upside down wasnt water
• mind flayer used the biomass of all of the demos to build its body and thats why they were all gone at the end
• the abyss is warmer and since the mind flayer is far stronger when its cold thats why bullets and stuff were hurting it there, it wanted to take over earth bc we have cold
• the credits were just awkward photoshop filters and not ai
• vecna was sneaking into ppls heads and somehow making them misremember details about will to further isolate him
• dustin or robin decided that the dial in the squawk tower being blue was annoying for being able to tell what voltage it was at so they repainted it
• max's mom wasnt the best and she skipped town after max went into a coma
• el lived and owens (who is alive) found out somehow and helped her get to iceland
• nancy fried her hair too much with the perms and had to cut it to save it and that she didnt actively WANT to go that style but she did bc her mom did
• derek's family tried to go to the cops about the kidnapping but the govt was still there and they got paid off to shut up since derek was taken and he vouched
• el saw the demo take will in the mindscape in s1 when she opened the gate
• she opened the gate in the tank and bc it was so tightly sealed thats why the water could carry over

holy shit do you know how good it wouldve been if will went into a max with her mom style trance right before he started talking in his coming out scene and then vecna showed him everyone turning on him

missed opportunity fr

[golden axle]

well okay in terms of the ai thing, it probably wasnt actually ai

nancy was just holding the gun like That in season 1

[worthy fulcrum]

Yeah, I did some research.

Also, did people not like it?

[river birch]

no

too many plot holes

frankly shit writing and production compared to previous seasons

[hollow night]

people absolutely hate it

personally, I love this show too much to rob myself of the joy of just enjoying this last season for what it is

[worthy fulcrum]

I really liked it though. :(

[hollow night]

it’s by no means perfect

[hollow night]

yeah I think it was awesome

[graceful prawn]

i disliked the season as a whole but i loved the finale so much

i thought it was a perfect conclusion

[keen orbit]

Duffer said she didn’t communicate with Mike??

Was it Kali then?

[worthy fulcrum]

Cause I keep hearing about plot holes but I couldn’t really find any. :/

[lunar vale]

The final battle should have been longer 😭 Maybe if they had another episode or something

[rare whale]

Theres... so many plot holes

😭😭😭

Its painfully obvious

I like how they also said there was no correlation to vecna taking 12 kids the clock and everything

[river birch]

i don't like the "not everything has to have meaning" argument for a show like this where in the earlier seasons every aspect was deeply intentional

it reminds me of dmaorg and just how different like clancy era lore and digital remains was received in comparison to dmaorg like we got called crazy for looking into digital remains too hard and that it was just a fun graphic book they made but things used to be so deeply intentional

and then there wasnt even a puzzle or anything crazy deep with breach aside from the contract mv buildup like season 5 felt like sacrificing what made the series so enticing to begin with in favor of the general public who don't like to dig deep because it would make it too complicated for them to understand

whats really bugging me with this is the fact that theyre mocking people for digging and reading deeply into things

after they themselves teased that kind of stuff on the writers account and with their own marketing

[worthy fulcrum]

What plot holes? :/

Like, genuinely, I couldn’t find anything.

[river birch]

water in the tank in the upside down, them forgetting wills birthday and joyce forgetting he was 12 when he was taken not 11, why was henry in high school when he was like 12 when the creel murders happened and "died" a week later bc he was taken to the lab, they never showed joyce and hopper acknowledging that they went to school together and that he was literally a main character in her play, how did kali survive long enough to cast the illusion if she was shot in the gut and was she even actually shot, hopper just becoming chief again after dying to the public in season 3, the squawk dial color being blue and then red later,

[worthy fulcrum]

Yikes this might take me a while, and I’m busy drawing right now, but I van at least defend some of these when I’m done, okay? :)

[rare whale]

All good

[worthy fulcrum]

Okay, see you guys later then!

[hollow night]

if nitpicking and not enjoying a great ending for these characters makes you happy do you, I understand being critical and objective of art, but man, this show is 10 years old and these actors are adults now, the season limped into the finale, and I was happy to see these characters which I love kick some ass and then live their best lives (mostly)

[river birch]

idk i'm just nitpicky bc this show has been huge for me since i was 11 and this season in particular had so much time and so much money (like so so so much money) and we're just being called crazy and ungrateful for expecting something better by the writers and other high up ppl involved

[rare whale]

Its not ungrateful to be upset that they didnt pull thru fully

[river birch]

like we can use the evil red world max was in as an example, that looked phenomenal in season 4 so why was it so much worse this season if they had more money and more time to make it look good and they already figured out how to make it look so good before?

[hollow night]

i am actually a pretty harsh film critic, but stranger things came out when i was pretty young too like 13/14, and i just decided not to be super critical of this season, i tempered my expectations and I enjoyed the hell out of this season for what it was, I’m super sad more people couldn’t do that, the amount of people i hear calling the finale dogshit is so unfair to me

[river birch]

its bc of how it was marketed

its fair to be more critical of a season that was being hyped up by its creators bc they had so much more time and money and when the previous seasons had set such high expectations before

[hollow night]

it may be fair, but which one was gonna bring me more joy, turn my brain off and get in my feels and get hyped for the crew one last time, and just enjoy it and say fuck the plot holes, or hyper analyze it, I chose the former, ending a tv show is hard

[static orchid]

I think Henry being younger when he was taken by Brenner was just retconned, he’s definitely a freshman in the play and thats the canon they’re going with

[graceful prawn]

i was more critical of this season than any other yet somehow the finale didnt bother me at all like i could name everything i didnt like about the first 7 episodes but the finale was just so sweet to me that i cant bring myself to nitpick stuff

[river birch]

ughh it is but also thats an even bigger reason to go as deep as they can bc if this was a passion project then imo this season should have been filled with the most love and commitment to the universe

[hollow night]

same!!

I’ll agree the Henry high school stuff was wack

didn’t make sense

[river birch]

yeah i cant defend that in the slightest 😭

[graceful prawn]

the only thing that actually bothered me was trying to make eleven's fate open ended but i can just choose to ignore that interpretation

[river birch]

i think its silly to not have such a huge plot point like that majorly highlighted within the original source and instead having it be a play only in new york and london

[static orchid]

I love tfs being implemented but I didnt fully agree with its execution

[hollow night]

that is also my biggest issue

pick a damn lane

now I don’t know how to feel

is she dead or not dafuq? 😭😭😭

[river birch]

the duffers basically said she's alive

[graceful prawn]

i felt it was a cheap copout but since its just mike being creative and storytelling i take it as that it was just him being delusional and wishful

[hollow night]

didn’t they say it’s open to interpretation?

[hollow night]

that’s what i think

[river birch]

they said she couldnt have gotten to the gate and mike was piecing it together at the graduation and thats what the flashbacks were

[hollow night]

but then you have these YouTube people like breaking down every micro frame and attaching meaning to everything

[river birch]

and that she never actually got into his mind

[graceful prawn]

i cant get myself to watch those videos bc i dont wanna ruin my enjoyment of how much i loved the finale

ill get into a too nitpicky headspace

[hollow night]

I also agree that their treck through the upside down and abyss was a little too easy and demagorgan less

but again who fucking cares 🤣🤣

[graceful prawn]

[worthy fulcrum]

1. I don’t really get it either. :/
2. I actually like this, because of Vecna’s whole thing about the children being weak, he’s just projecting the fact that he gave in so easily, and I’m pretty sure the “I did it myself,” is him trying to pretend like he’s in control.
3. I always thought a strength of the show was that we don’t understand the Mind Flayer. It’s a different kind of villain, like an alien predator that is entirely unknown to us, and understanding it would make it a way weaker villain.
4. Not sure about this one either. :/
5. Not this one either, maybe Brenner? But that’s pretty weak.
6. There’s a lot more “I’m not sures” here than first anticipated.
7. Probably gone, she wasn’t a good person.
8. In the barn?
9. I don’t remember this.
10. Hopper was there, he could have told him.
11. Probably absorbed into Vecna’s Mind Flayer palace.
12. Probably also in the Flayer palace, the material had to come from somewhere.
13. I mean, maybe they rehired him?
14. No clue about this one, but it’s not really that much of a problem.
15. When specifically?
16. El, I thought?
17. I don’t remember this bit.
18. Because they made it, probably. This was always silly to me.
19. Because that’s how it was made.
20. I don’t think you ever needed them, it was just a precaution.

That’s what my sleepy brain put together.

[hollow night]

that’s so facts, why do we need to know a evil alt dimension creatures intentions ? 😭😭😭😭

80’s movies knew that leaving things nuanced sometimes is good

[river birch]

because its trying to. eat earth

i would like to know why it is trying to eat earth

if its just a hungry guy i would like to know

[hollow night]

we had no idea who Han Solo was in the OG Star Wars, and that added so much mystique to him

[river birch]

was he evil

and trying to eat earth

[worthy fulcrum]

I always saw it as a predator, yeah.

[river birch]

what beef does he have with earth

does he want to eat our snow

[worthy fulcrum]

Hungy.

[river birch]

these are important details duffers!!!

[worthy fulcrum]

I mean, being serious, not really, I don’t think.

As I said earlier, I really think it’s a scarier villain if its goals and things are beyond our understanding.

[river birch]

if it hated how hot the abyss was why couldnt it just spread out in the sky and cause an ice age for a bit

[worthy fulcrum]

I don’t think it was that big.

[river birch]

it shouldve tried harder

[worthy fulcrum]

Also maybe Abyss was really close to its sun?

[hollow night]

I’ve gotta agree to disagree with the notion that understanding the mind flair is important. Evil space villain wants to destroy the planet he’s connected to by wormhole cuz he’s evil and wants power or energy or whatever cool, good guys gotta save the day, boom.

[river birch]

theoretically if it was a parallel dimension then it would be the same distance from our sun

the abyss would be like a very primordial version of earth

..wait maybe that could be an explanation for all the time travel stuff

oh my god another plot hole how did el revive max

[worthy fulcrum]

Time travel?

[river birch]

okay wait i might be cooking a little bit okay so if all of time exists all at once like past present and future are all happening at the same time and the upside down was suspended in time then does that mean el hit henry so fucking hard when she first sent him through she sent him to the cambrian explosion

and thats what the abyss is

[worthy fulcrum]

Henry got his powers from the Mind Flayer. :/

[river birch]

yes

[worthy fulcrum]

Wait, is the Mind Flayer from the Void?

[river birch]

the mind flayer i think is from the abyss

[rare whale]

Nothing comes from the void

But the flesh wall

🥰

Apparently

[river birch]

okay moosh theory: the mind flayer fossilized itself somehow in the rock to wait for its time and the rock was accidentally mined up in the 50s and bc of its nature it was immediately brought to the cia and in the midst of trying to study it they accidentally released it and it tried to take over the dudes but bc they were adults and had developed brains they were able to resist it and thats what led up to the cave scene - it goes into henry and does all that stuff, it keeps saying find me but if its a 4D interdimensional creature that doesnt experience time the way we do then it could theoretically communicate through dimensions like how they could kinda hear noises from the upside down in the real world and henry does his spider stuff

lab goes bonkers with kids and whatever and then el does her thing and shoots him into the cambrian eon or whatever bc shes basically a nuclear weapon with how she can manipulate energy

would the wormhole have pushed the abyss away a bit in order to create a physical bridge to it or would the abyss have always been that far away relatively

bc el sent him straight there in season 4 but they had to go through the upside down to get there again and it was like 10-20,000 feet in the air

[worthy fulcrum]

What is this about stage plays!?

[river birch]

man idek

[rare whale]

There was a play

That gave more context on Henry

[river birch]

i dont like that they retconned his age bc it makes zero sense continuity-wise in the show

wait oh my god if brenner let him go back to school after the summer does that mean he was also "zombie boy" bc the public believed he had died?

[rare whale]

Yuh

[river birch]

did he get bullied for it in the play?

bc that wouldve been like 8 ish months after the creel murders

[rare whale]

I didn't see the play so idk

Theres like no way to get the lore of the play either if you just didnt go see it

Unless there is and I just dont know

[river birch]

headcanoning that joyce teased him for coming back from the dead so he developed a lifelong personal grudge against her

[rare whale]

Also you can only go see said play in new York and England

🥰

[hollow night]

the conversation on the bench between Hopper and Mike

[deep birch]

Have you guys seen DJO's "End of Beginnings" blow up again

[rare whale]

Yes

[deep birch]

Joe Keery keeps on winning, oh my days

[rare whale]

OH MY GOD IT MAKES SENSE

Vickie and max got caught by dr.k and Vickie cant keep secrets for shit... I bet she slipped up... and told her...

Guys no thats not what happened

😭🥰

Some.of these theories

[hollow night]

Joe Keery has so much motion

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-catch-a-lil-motion-catch-motion-caught-motion-get-a-lil-motion-gif-9039708211727597253

[celest cove]

no

he was bullied in the play but only because he acted a bit odd and was a v young freshman in a play w mostly juniors/seniors

[river birch]

I saw djo in boston last year

[river birch]

ugh lame

[untold wren]

I NEED TO PHOTOGRAPH HIM SO BAD

HE ALLOWS PRESS

[hollow solar]

I ENA NEITHE RDO I I BORROWWED Y BF ACC TO WATCH '

[novel vigil]

DUSTIN DID WHAT EDDIE SAID HE WOULD DO

[hollow solar]

cap lock

[novel vigil]

bit sad tho

wanted people to die

nancy n jonathan should've died in that room

[red epoch]

The summer hikaru died au but hikaru is will 😔

[golden axle]

eh tbh it retroactively ruined a lot of the show for me

it left a lot unanswered, they gave some characters horrendous endings, there were no stakes, i hated how they handled certain things

and apparently a lot of people agree because one of the videos i posted about it is doing crazy numbers holy shit

[rigid vale]

im watching the finale again tngt w my dad who hasnt seen it and im not ready to sob again

[golden axle]

actually apparently all of my videos are going crazy

[golden axle]

good luck 😭 i hope you enjoy the second watch through

[hollow night]

are you based in Boston?

i saw him in LA last year myself

[rigid vale]

yippie thanks

[rigid vale]

omg i saw djo in philly last year hehe

[golden axle]

i need to like properly sit down and listen to djo sometime

the whole cast has so much musical talent its crazy

but ive only really gotten into maya hawke's stuff

[rigid vale]

his and finns stuff is rly good

[golden axle]

i've listened to some of everyone's stuff but haven't sat down and like LISTENED yk

gaten's music is also pretty good from what i've heard

unfortunately i don't remember shit about joseph quinns music but i remember it being good

i checked that all out back when s4 came out

[red epoch]

im feeling sad about mik wheeler

[rigid vale]

he is me i am he i fear

[golden axle]

mike deadass just became ted 💔

[red epoch]

did ted also have a secret lover, these are the questions we should be asking ourselves

[river birch]

boston is based

ah yes this is what made me evil earlier

"what happened to El is up to interpretation!! also she's alive btw lol"

[hollow night]

yeah it is

my favorite city

[rare whale]

I feel like so many people glossed over the fact Dustin and Steve were using the weapons Eddie and Dustin made previously 🥺🥺🥺🥺

Hes there in spirit

[bright plinth]

YEAHHHH

finn and gaten's music is nice

but djo is.... on a different level

[red epoch]

someone edit should i stay or should i go to byler tbh

[hollow night]

the scene between hopper and mike fucking wrecks me

hits a little too close to home

[bright plinth]

hi guys, extracted the music from the jancy breakup scene

which is basically the 4th version of Eulogy + some of The First I Love You/The First Lie

idk why eulogy 2 and 4 arent on streaming but whatever

[night rose]

I remember some people asking about the water in the dep tank and I had a thought!!

Maybe the military brought the water in. They were using the lab in the upside down so it makes sense they would bring in their own supplies such as water

@onyx wraith

I also had a think about why the ud air is no longer toxic. In season one they wear hazmats, season two also, then by the end of season two they resort to bandanas and goggles. When Dustin is sprayed by the vines in the tunnel, I think he realises it isn’t toxic. This might be where they stop using protection from the air in the ud

But I am still on my rewatch to confirm they don’t resort back to hazmats in s3 4 or 5

[bright plinth]

😋

[night rose]

@onyx wraith found this about the demos.

That’s from this https://www.thewrap.com/creative-content/tv-shows/stranger-things-5-ending-explained-is-eleven-dead-duffer-brothers-interview/

Got an answer about will surviving the mf attack too

https://collider.com/stranger-things-5-series-finale-explained-duffer-brothers-spoiler-interview/

MATT DUFFER: Well, we aren’t showing him when the Mind Flayer is being attackd. When he's getting decapitated, at that point, the Mind Flayer is dead, and so it, at that point, has severed the connection between him and Vecna.

So maybe he was feeling it and we didn’t see it on camera? (Weird)

They also mention the 12 kids was nothing in particular, just a number. But they do like that it resembles 12 hours on a clock

[crimson yoke]

eleven dies

[spiral apex]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-joseph-twenty-one-pilots-joshua-dun-josh-dun-clique-gif-2720407276132576156

Nancy and Johnathan should've died in the vecnut.

[gloomy helm]

The mindflayer particles still come out of the kids before that and Henry still has the flayer particles in him? This is such lazy writing, I am outraged!

[gloomy helm]

Defintely think it's not random. Why would you need to cast 12 kid actors, who most of them had atleast one line. You could've only used Derek, Holly and like 2 other Kids. Or even 8 to represent the legs of a spider. I think it was 12 to not only represent the legs of the mind flayers final form, but also the hours on a clock, Which is perfect because of how Vecna is all about clocks.

[gloomy helm]

Weird explanation for their absence. He used both Will and El to spy, so he obviously saw their plan in their minds. For someone whos been ahead of them all this time, they didn't expect them to try and attack him in his lair? And we've seen the demo's chase after military vehicles crazy fast in the upside down, they didn't detect the hivemind being attacked and ran over from wherever they were in the abyss to help out? So much missing plot holes...

[bright plinth]

i feel like he was concentrating all his power on the ritual to merge the 2 worlds

i dont think he can really control or spy anything when hes doing that

hes kinda just in his mind

[night rose]

theyve said its just a number idk what else to say

[night rose]

this makes sense

[cedar dew]

Yo i didn't know this channel existed until now

[cedar dew]

I think maybe he also didn't believe their plan would work. I mean surely he would know that the rifts wouldn't line up. Maybe he thought that the tower really would crash

[gloomy helm]

hmm yeah that makes sense now that i think about it. Just strange that this almighty telekinesis time demon being just loses to a bunch of randos from this small town and one girl with powers who struggled to lift up a truck 3 episodes prior. I just wish there was more time with the entire cast tbh, i wish the fight was longer and we saw more of the kids, just being kids in the 80’s. Like season 3.

[cedar dew]

Oh definitely

I think my biggest criticism of this season is that the big fight™ was too short lived

Tbh season 3 is my favorite season

[cedar dew]

They came up with the plan too fast, noone died in it, etc

[gloomy helm]

Exactly, for the entire season building up to the moment it was very… underwhelming. Especially seeing what Vecna did in season 4 to people. For me it’s a hard choice between S3 or S4.

[cedar dew]

I really didn't like S4 specifically because of Vecna's design 💀

[cedar dew]

But yeah definitely

[gloomy helm]

I think that parts fine because it would be kinda lame seeing the group talk about a plan for any amount of time lol. But I do feel as if some characters should’ve died, eleven definitely , Murray and one of the teens or both Nancy and Johnathan, I just feel as if the main groups plot armor was too op and if some died it would’ve been easier to close out not only their stories but allowed more focus on the others to finish theirs too. I also wish they took the time to go over some plot holes like how the group got away with the soldiers they killed? How eleven got to I think Ireland. If she truly is alive that is. Overall the end wasn’t terrible just hoping for more for Netflix’s star-child.

[cedar dew]

I did really like that the mind flayer was a physical monster though! And that the kids were trapped inside it. And i love how absolutely massive it is. I didn't even realise that it was the mindflayer until it stood up. And the little slime stuck to it when it finally lifts its ass off the ground 😭

[cedar dew]

I definitely think nancy should have died. She has been WAY too close to death way too often. And she was BAIT

[gloomy helm]

This!! That entire scene had me in awe and I was so amazed to see my theory come to life. The entire week between the finale I kept telling my dad its the mind flayers final form, and currently its laying dormant like a spider does when they die. And the slime sticking on its ass is super realistic lmao. 😂

[cedar dew]

Also i don't think el is alive. I think that's just a story that mike tells himself to make himself feel better

[gloomy helm]

yeaa i kinda am hoping that because thats a lame way to try and keep every character alive.

[cedar dew]

Omg you called it!! I also just love huge monsters. The scale of it...

[gloomy helm]

For sure, it would’ve saved her from being a part of the nothing burger ending that the older teens got.

[cedar dew]

Hahahahha yeah

And like imagine a shot of steve and Johnathan at her funeral

The engagement ring on her coffin

It would also tie in nicely with mike losing el

[gloomy helm]

Definitely underwhelming, I was hoping for a 15 minute scene of that thing just terrorizing hawkins or even just the group in dimension X whilst El struggles to fight Vecna until he finally dies. And the fact that the giant meat creature is still weak to fire?? You’d think it would learn to develop something against that, Like imagine Robin throwing that molotov and it just doesn’t react. That wouldve been sick seeing the group panic as their plan failed slightly.

[cedar dew]

Ooo yeah they'd have to find a way to get through it's thick slime or something first

[gloomy helm]

Would be such a good close-off for that trio especially after seeing what happened on the tower and their convo in the abyss. And then Robin could’ve had a separate shot with Vickie to close those two off, like she was forgotten about.

[cedar dew]

Yeah!! I really wanted her to have a shot of her and vicky going to enzos or whatever she said

[gloomy helm]

Yess, like she kept promising throughout the season i felt like it was bound to be at the end, but then she just says that she was too much for her and we don’t see anymore of Vickie.. Maybe they couldn’t get the actor for the shoot because she was busy. Who knows?

[cedar dew]

That's so sad i think i missed that

Also can i just say i think there should've been more gay stuff 😭

Like will had a pretty good coming out, but we only saw him in a gay??? Bar later

Also did we even see his fear of losing his friends when vecna was in him?

[gloomy helm]

Ok I think I just saw that online because I’m rewatching rn and she doesnt say anything about it soo.. its even worse because nothing is said about vickie.

[gloomy helm]

Pause.. lmao no so I wish we saw that because then all the hate its getting wouldn’t be as bad.

Imo im not a big fan of the gay stuff probably because I’m not a part of that group, but I feel as if the coming out scene kinda ruined the representation they couldve got due to how long it was and how badly it was said? Idk the way they had him say it was strange to me.

I do think we should’ve seen more in the end though!

But I guess because people weren’t fond of the LGBTQ back then they weren’t sure how to give it a good look?

[cedar dew]

Oh but drag existed. And gay bars existed. I kinda expected them to talk about the aids crisis too

Kinda like they mentioned satanic panic

[cedar dew]

And yeah it felt a bit set up... But i think it would've been less like that if we would have seen his fears through vecna

It would have more weight

And we would already know why he had to say it right now

I think it would have landed so much better

Also i care a lot about ot because I'm part of that group:3

[cedar dew]

Like i expected to have a scene with his mom giving him condoms or something lmao

[gloomy helm]

This

[gloomy helm]

I feel like it mightve just not fit in with the other epilogues lmao. Just imagine going from dustin rebelling at the graduation, or the older teens talking about drinking every weekend to joyce handing her son a condom. 😂

[gloomy helm]

Yeah sorry I’m not really caught up with all the stuff that existed during the time but if those existed they definitely should’ve shown it, like Will at a gay bar which I think might’ve been where he was? Or at a drag show. Would’ve been rlly good representation imo!

[cedar dew]

Yeahh you're right about that lmao

[cedar dew]

A drag show in the background would've been the bare minimum i think

I wish we had a scene of him making out with that guy in the bathroom or something

Or both

At least

[gloomy helm]

Only problem is the hate raid it would get because of that, 10x worse than the hate episode 7 got. And I know for me I wouldn’t be the biggest fan of that scene but nothing a little fast forwarding cant fix. Though the representation if they did that would be great. Even the drag show a bit less but still good compared to the little to no representation in any media nowadays

[cedar dew]

https://youtu.be/uh4caBkxlcQ?
https://youtu.be/xxIBftflGvg?
https://youtu.be/f185MPggf-0?

Just a bit of 70's gay culture lol

Also Johnathan would definitely know about david bowie

I mean they played prince for gods sake 😭

[gloomy helm]

They played Heroes by Bowie in the end credits no?!? Omg why make that huge coming out scene and then cower out on showing more in the epilogue?? Especially when it became a bit more acceptable starting jn the 90’s.

[cedar dew]

Exactly!!!

[polar timber]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdmh6bLd/

Thats fricking insane

[lunar vale]

Somebody proposed an alternate version of the final battle on reddit and it was actually awesome

Basically the whole crew would get surrounded by demos and a LOT of characters would start dying

[tight plaza]

That is interesting. One why the Demogorgons weren't there for the final battle. But, then again, I guess it makes sense that they caught Vecna off guard

[lunar vale]

Even ones nobody expected like Mike

[tight plaza]

Shocked he'd let his guard down like that tho

He always seemed so alert to everything

[lunar vale]

But then it turns out its vecna making them see eachother die, like what he did with hop and eleven

[peak bobcat]

thatd be cool but I think itd need to be very selective

making dustin see steve dying, max having to watch lucas get butchered etc

it would make sense if vecna was caught off guard if will (his spy) wasnt there tbh

[tight plaza]

So, I'm choosing to believe El's still alive -- that it wasn't truly her at the end, because the noise from the sirens wasn't affecting her at all, she just kinda stood there as the upside down was swept away

I'm choosing to believe El tricked them all into believing that was her, when in reality, she found a way to escape and go someplace safe

Also, with Hopper's nonchalant attitude/quick to move on with his life, I have to believe she's still alive, out there somewhere

Even if it seems unlikely

[peak bobcat]

it seems near impossible that she died in the upside down storm unless they just ass pulled her whole last scene (not the epilogue one)

I dont think she was ever in the truck to begin with, because she just up and vanishes

whether or not shes actually in iceland is another thing though because how is she not on a "do not fly" list

[gloomy helm]

We never see Mike or El interact in the truck after the fight. I think El stayed behind them in order to sneak away while the military was distracted searching in the truck. You’d expect the group to expect the military and their sirens to be at the base they were driving into. But I do hope she did sacrifice in the Upside Down because her just appearing in Iceland is lame closure for her story. How did she fly there? Who bought her airplane tickets? Did Hop know shes still alive? Also sometimes characters must die to make a show/movie more enjoyable and well written especially when versing a corrupt military and telekinetic monsters.

[peak bobcat]

we do see them interact almost. mike smiles at eleven, but it goes straight through her and to delightful "suck my fat one" derek who waves back, confusing mike a little

[gloomy helm]

I really just think like you said her surviving was kinda pulled out of nowhere. It’s not like there were signs Kalis death was faked. El touches Kalis bleeding corpse, showing it’s real. Unless El used her powers to help her like she did Max off cam? But how would she sneak away without anyone noticing? How did she use her powers to Mike if she was just in a building hiding? We see the sirens work through walls? Just so much questions left unanswered whether shes alive or not. And if she was on the truck, why didn’t Mike talk to her more?

[peak bobcat]

yeah, I dont wanna say it was contrived but they definitely thought it was cooler in the writers room before shooting

[gloomy helm]

No Fly List was not super strong prior to 9/11. Unless their military was shoved into airports, I think El got away with it pretty easy because there wasn’t strict security in airports until after 9/11

[peak bobcat]

yeah true I forgot that was a result of 9/11

there was 1 bit I really liked though which was hop getting a job in montauk, the place that inspired stranger things whole story

[torn zinc]

No Byler😔
-# wasn’t expecting it anyways, but still

[royal palm]

FUCK YOU DUFFERS FOR KILLING OFF EL YOU WILL BE DEALT WITH

[novel vigil]

💔 They killed the pregnant women

[drowsy iris]

Duffel Bags, my #3 enemy💔💔💔💔💔

[orchid kiln]

THIS IS ONLY A FEW

Ugh

[bright plinth]

for #4 u can literally just watch the play

[woeful ginkgo]

you’re supposed to imagine it just like the duffers said

[woeful ginkgo]

you shouldn’t need a limited run broadway play that’s inaccessible to the majority of the public to understand one of the worlds most popular tv shows

[bright plinth]

shouldnt but thats how it is

so cope i guess

it sucks but not much u can do

the information is there if u want to find it

theres a shit ton of videos that explain it

[orchid kiln]

Oh i did but still; lot of plotholes + it was rushwd(imo)

[worthy fulcrum]

Why would Derek’s parents be there?

[bright plinth]

well in short, its just a russian scientist spy that stole one of the samples from the mind flayer and ended up in that cave

[orchid kiln]

((Not my post))

[worthy fulcrum]

He was only there cause he was friends with the Wheelers.

[bright plinth]

i guess

and hes friends with holly

specifically

[orchid kiln]

I know that:)

[worthy fulcrum]

I know, it’s just that people are always bringing up Derek and Max’s families and I think that’s not really productive, it’s just nitpicky. :/

[bright plinth]

real

[orchid kiln]

I did not see max's family being brought up ( i wasn't really only tbf) but it was stated in earlier seasons tho that their parents "suck", no? I might be trippin

[worthy fulcrum]

Yeah, the point was that Max’s mom was terrible. :/

I saw so many people bring her up, even though she probably skipped town the moment the government quarantine stopped.

[orchid kiln]

Yep, laat time she was on the show max was taking care of the* parent in s4, that's the last we saw anything that involved a guardian/parent

[woeful ginkgo]

the actress for max’s mom brought it up

iirc she posted “why would any mother not visit her daughter in the hospital” or something similar

[orchid kiln]

I haven't see that! I don't follow the actress that plays the mom, barely remember her tbh

[red epoch]

If they gotta interview yo clarify its bad writing

[golden axle]

yeah absolutely

show dont tell

and do it in the show, not in an interview

if it requires external explanation you just suck at writing

[red epoch]

Yepppp

[novel vigil]

can we talk about mike in the last scene 😭

poor dude

[vast shuttle]

nobody will think this

it’s one of the most famous songs of all time

[rare whale]

STAR!!!

[golden axle]

it didnt answer a lot of questions, left some for a spinoff, retconned/ignored established canon, had absolutely no stakes, handled certain characters' endings absolutely horrendously, and retroactively worsened previous seasons because of said unanswered questions

and now the duffers are out here trying to explain shit they couldve explained in the show and lessening the impact even further of the ending by saying shit like "yeah that mileven void scene wasnt even real"

my personal biggest issues, byler aside, are how they killed el in the first place but then made it worse with the ambiguous nature of the end of the epilogue, killed the only brown character (who hasnt been in the show since s2) after making her feel like a villain for most of the season, killed the only canon queer relationship after using it to uplift a gay man's storyline (AND THEN SAID IT WAS UP FOR INTERPRETATION IF THEY WERE STILL TOGETHER), handled said gay man's storyline terribly and closed it off with the worst scene they could have done it with which mind you we wouldnt have gotten if noah hadnt begged for it

[rich crag]

hallo

[zealous mango]

Ok I dont know if any of this has been said but these are my personal thoughts on the ending. I think el is dead. So in the explanation that Mike gives that kali produced a projection of her when everything was being tucked into oblivion, there is one major thing that might fuck this up. If kali was still in the lab where she got 'shot' she would be in a million peices because the lab exploded. She cant place projections if she's dead. Also realistically if you've been shot surviving the whole time they were fighting vecna in the abyss is not that feasible because they would have had to have done that and gotten back to the gate for her to then do her thing. Which is unlikely as she would have died from blood loss, like within 3 to 5 minutes. Though a feasible option is that when Murray bl e w up the sound things wich stiffle their powers that she used a projection that she was dying, rather than it just being a massive exploding it seems deliberate that he blew up the noise thing too. So maybe she projected that she got shot in the lab and possible got away in time to do the whole shabang and save el in time. God so many contradicting theories But then that doesn't line up with the story mike gave because in Mike's version kali was still in the lab circling back to her either dying extremely slowly, dying at normal pace or not dying at all. In conclusion I think el is dead as Mike's theory is bull and it gives a more satisfying ending in my opinion

[near yacht]

Well Hello guys just got finished!

[gloomy helm]

max's mother was a mess after the divorce, she always was drinking and smoking and had to work two jobs, i dont think she would have the time or mood to get up and see max in the hospital, especially with how depressed and busy she was. actor probably just wanted to be paid and be able to say she was in the final season of the show.

[woeful ginkgo]

i don’t give a shit what i’m going through if my child is in the hospital im going to see them?

i’m not sure how anyone thinks a mother wouldn’t even try to go see her daughter especially after everything they have been through

[river birch]

it can definitely happen

[dull pulsar]

Im gonna sob at a TikTok i saw

So yk how will came out as gay in 1987

The aids epidemic was the 90s and was predominantly spread among same sex couples hense why it was a huge tool for homophobes

They often used aids to weaponise gay couples in the 90s

Because will came out in the 80s chances are he experienced aids in the 90s

He mightve even caught the disease

The thought of that makes me sad

Even tho hes a fictional character and obviously the duffers didnt write that in

Im thinking post epilogue

Also i wanna write a post epilogue fan fic but idk if including things like the aids epidemic would be like insensitive

[night rose]

This makes sense

[red epoch]

someone should edit the wondertwins to strategy by twice

[frozen cairn]

Hi guys I wanted to share this here. It isn’t done but I finished the lettering and clipping so here

[obsidian birch]

make your top 5 best seasons and top 10 your fav eps

[frozen cairn]

1. S4
2. S3
3. S1
4. S2
5. S5
   IMO. Pls don’t burn me at the stake

[worthy fulcrum]

1. S1
2. S5
3. S3
4. S2
5. S4.

[graceful prawn]

1. S1
2. S4
3. S2
4. S5
5. S3

[lethal adder]

s1 my fav

[gloomy helm]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-stranger-things-peak-its-peak-its-peak-stranger-things-stranger-things-5-gif-11608319851141554973

[frozen cairn]

Thank you

[gloomy helm]

I love how you utilized Will’s scream!! Please tag me when you finish, I’d love to see it finalized as its already so josh darn good

[frozen cairn]

I will! Thank you! :D

[sweet cobalt]

Omg this so so epic, did you make the voice clips yourself? Literally such a creative use of the SAM voice bots

[hollow night]

1 S4
2 S2
3 S1
4 S3
5 S5

my favorite episodes are season 2 finale season 4 finale and dear Billy

Season 2 opener is so peak too and the episode where they try to catch dart

[torn zinc]

Okay I lowkey forgot when everything happens, so going purely off of what little I remember
1 S3
2 S4
3 S2
4 S1
5 S5

[river birch]

WHERE DID IT GO

discord is breaking bye guys I'm getting sucked into the void

girl be so fr

[golden axle]

guys cut them some slack... the other one got divorced by his wife

[worthy fulcrum]

Huh, everyone really liked season four.

That’s actually genuinely surprising to me.

[golden axle]

season 4 was good

everything up to season 5 volume 1 was actually good

[lunar vale]

Season 5 volume 1 was awesome

[red epoch]

One way to mike wheeler

Walk with me

[limpid path]

Okay, I personally think that the storyline was really just dragged and got boring the longer it went on for. Im not hating, the first two seasons were good, but it just got boring because it was the same concept of "we gotta destroy the gate and the mind flayer!". Also, the way the stories were closed off was so horrible.

[gloomy helm]

i thought they were married to eachother

[keen orbit]

S1
S2, S4
S3
S5

[golden axle]

the duffer... brothers...

theyre related

[torn zinc]

Sweet ho-
I’ll shut up

[red epoch]

Siblings or dating i guess

[golden axle]

siblings AND dating

[vast shuttle]

THEY’RE TWINS

[gloomy helm]

were they born and raised in alabama?

[long jolt]

So who's on the conformity gate train

[golden axle]

i think its a lil silly tbh. as much as i hate to admit season 5 just wasnt good, i feel i have to accept that 😭

i really wanna come up with a general plot for what st5 shouldve been tho lowkey

[hollow night]

hahahaha

[long jolt]

I liked the ending but I'm still on the train for the funsies

[hollow night]

i just saw videos on it, tbh the reason theirs no shot it’s real is because they wouldn’t have filmed such a sentimental ending to then be like hey guys this is all not real

if the finale was actually really really bad, maybe I give some credence to it, but the finale was clearly the finale you know ?

[peak bobcat]

whats conformitygate?

[peak bobcat]

Read into it and genuinely if true is the single greatest twist in television but also like I don't believe in the duffer brothers enough to have done this

wait there was a real squak radio run by MINDY FLAIR like as in mindflayer no conformity gate is so real

[obsidian birch]

Behind the scenes of Stranger Things throughout 2024, from filming to the completion of all 5 seasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLxvdUroRic

[dusty ermine]

Where’d u read abt it? I keep hearing about it but can’t find any real info

[long jolt]

Thr comments are killing me XD

[peak bobcat]

I just looked up conformity gate stranger things, effectively the idea is that mike et all have been in a vecna trance since mid episode 7, and theres so much missing key footage we simply havent seen (including a one on one between noah and finn that was filmed a month before anything else)

theres also the fact that suzie and vickie are straight up missing from the epilogue, in fact literally everything shown is what vecna knows exists, at the graduation everyone is in the vecna pose and are wearing straight up the wrong colour of graduation gowns

then theres more meta stuff like half the cast saying like "oh mike has a crazy monologue in the finale" from finn and "it gets really meta" from millie herself, in fact almost everything we heard about it pre release was completely different to the episode we actually got

[lunar vale]

really meta? crazy monologue?

None of that happened ure right

[peak bobcat]

yeah

[lunar vale]

but i dont think they would pull a move like that tbh

LOL

[peak bobcat]

and then theres SQWK being run by "mindy flair" and "vance" literally mind flayer and vecna that ends with "someone left the gate open"

[lunar vale]

itd be cool but i doubt it after selling people it in theatres

[peak bobcat]

like its either fantastic teasing or theyre literally just theory baiting to deal with the fact its so ass

[lunar vale]

probably the ladder

Unless if they try and cobble together a 9th episode to fix things

[peak bobcat]

I so want conformity gate to be a real secret episode but the duffer brothers have been on such a cope binge that it cant be

and im genuinely mad because the idea is so cool and so in line with ST

[lunar vale]

Specifically the 'really meta' comment is fascinating though

[peak bobcat]

also the idea that everyone will lose their minds when we've been saying how itll end for years now

[worthy fulcrum]

Where’d Mindy Flair and Vance come from?

[static orchid]

they had WSQK running for a little while as a real radio station and those are the names of the hosts !

vance’s full name is vance goodman which i find very amusing

[rigid vale]

@woeful ginkgo i forgot to ask you what you thought of the finale

[woeful ginkgo]

yikes!

[rigid vale]

dms?

[woeful ginkgo]

nah i just hated it lol

[rigid vale]

okay haha

[woeful ginkgo]

thank god fallout also comes out on wednesdays i needed a pallet cleanser after that

[rigid vale]

rip

[red epoch]

i be watching the x-files?

[umbral delta]

thougjts on wills coming out

[hollow night]

Season 3 is so fun

[long jolt]

January 7 I believe

[limpid path]

It was so ass the way they made him come out, why was everyone crying like he had cancer or smth 😭🙏

It made it seem like being gay is so heartbreaking dawg

[umbral delta]

i mean considering the time it was, being queer was looked upon differently but i do see where u come from

it was a bit exaggerated for shre

he was also just nervoud

when they pht the camera on robin tho i genuinely started crying

[rare whale]

Noah felt extremely uncomfortable filming that fun fact

[umbral delta]

seriously?? ykw valid

it was an incredibly uncomfortable scene

[near yacht]

All the stranger things speculation with analyzing all the hints just reminds me of the clique analyzing lore hints 😭😭😭

[near yacht]

I just thought it's funny that EVERYONE was there

[umbral delta]

NO WHEN HE CALLED OUT TO EVERYONE TO LISTEN TO THIS I WAS LIKE okay....

[near yacht]

I mean Kali was like "how is this relevant for saving the world"

[graceful prawn]

i found it funny that it was meant to serve as something that vecna couldnt use against him but then it served like zero relevance in the final battle

[umbral delta]

eleven serving face as usualy

[near yacht]

Is it just me or was there.. too much... talking..

Like

Emotional talking

[ripe silo]

Wills coming out was longer than the final fight

[peak bobcat]

wouldve been good if half the characters were there, it was placed earlier in the season, and it had any actual impact

[umbral delta]

LMFSOOO

[celest cove]

controversially i quite liked it

thought it was moving & emotional, clearly came from the heart, and made sense plot wise + character development wise

[umbral delta]

honestly me too, i cried a bit when he did. there were some parts i wished were different but overall i think it was very nice

[celest cove]

i cried too 😭 😭

[umbral delta]

the shots on robin is what genuinely had me sobbing my eyes out

[celest cove]

oh my gosh yes

and jonathan

[umbral delta]

yes dude

[celest cove]

he looked so proud 😭

[umbral delta]

icl the or me part was a little cringe but like the way jonathon kissed him and WWAAGAGG

so acceptinf

[celest cove]

yesyesyes

[umbral delta]

saw an edit of robin and will with we hug now and my heart was shot 57 times

[celest cove]

i get teh criticism of the scene but i feel like a lot of the hate for s5 is overblown in general

[celest cove]

AW

[umbral delta]

yeah i lowk think it was a bittersweet endig

lots of plotholes for sure but overall i really liked it

[celest cove]

like there are flaws of course but the season is not the way the fandom is making it out to be 😭

[umbral delta]

MO FR

[celest cove]

yeah

el my baby

[umbral delta]

"the power of friendship" i mean yeah butnit wasnt just purely friendship magic

people had me thinking it was the cringiest thing ever when it eeally wasnt

[umbral delta]

dont even

[celest cove]

right 😭

no it was really funny bc i liked vol 2 quite a lot more than vol 1 and then i went online after watching and i was like woah.

[umbral delta]

yeah exacrly!!

[celest cove]

i felt like vol 1 spent way too much time on the military plot which just did not interest me while vol 2 wrapped up character/relationship arcs in such a lovely way

[umbral delta]

YESS

and while the military plot is interesting and has lots of lorenin the story it got to a point where it was just like oh my god these people gotta die

[celest cove]

RIGHT

[umbral delta]

when el killed that one dude

couldnt care enough to remmeber his name

I cheered so loudly

[celest cove]

PLS yes

that was a very intense scene too

[umbral delta]

it was so intense

[celest cove]

honestly i think the biggest reason why theres such a s5 hate train rn is that people are sad the show is ending 😭 people look for things to be upset with to distract them from what is ultimately sadness; yes there were issues with the season but it was pretty on par with the quality of s2&s3 imo

(and i say this as someone who has s3 as their second favorite season and s5 as their second least)

[umbral delta]

AMENNNN

YESS I AGREE

[celest cove]

omg thank god ive feltl ike ive beengoing crazy for the past couple days

[umbral delta]

yes dude its been so bad

ive been telling my friends who finished it and were begging me to finish my thoughts and they all were like "you might be the first ever💔" and i was like okay bro.

[celest cove]

RIGHT SLDHFKJMD

like i was talking to my friend who hasnt seen it and they were like "i heard it was horrible." and i was like NO??

[umbral delta]

its not horrible!!!!!!!!! theres preferences!!!

and i think it was good

[final loom]

New episode tomorrow?

[dull pulsar]

Unpopular opinion i dont want this fake finale stuff to be real

Bc im happy with the finale

Yeah it couldve been better

The big thing is if the finale is fake then hopper didnt propose to joyce

And joyce hopper is so heavenly

Also heres my hot take

Hating wills coming out scene is valid but only valid if ur intentions r good

For example most people including me dislike it bc it felt unnatural, corny and the whole being forced out so vecna couldnt weponise it, it just feels weird and wrong and its okay to feel that way

But if ur only explanation for hating it is homophobia thats not valid

U can hate the scene cos its bad

U cant hate the scene bc u hate gay people

[gloomy helm]

lmaooo, the caesars legion was great i loved macaulay culkin.

[gloomy helm]

i think it could still happen if there is a secret final episode, but then again they could just kill off half the characters like they said they would. looking back at the episode theres so many strange things that arent true, like medalvas selling milkshakes or will liking to hang out in the forest? and steve being a baseball coach instead of a basketball coach? i like the conformity gate but i do agree it would be strange to sell tickets for the "fake" final and take fans money because of how it was advertised

[torn zinc]

I liked the coming out scene, it was nice (and I def cried), I just didn't like how many people there were
Like Joyce and Mike ofcourse, the rest of the friend group sure, Hopper? yeah alright, but what was Kali doing there?? Wasn't like Murray there too or something😭
It was a nice scene but I feel like having just a few less people there would've made it so much better

[woeful ginkgo]

my husband does not know who macaulay is so he was like “wtf” and i was like uh famous actor

[red epoch]

wouldve been interesting if we actually saw vecna like idk vecnaing him

and showing his fears to lead into that scene to whom he shouldve came out to the party + his mom + jonathan

[hollow night]

on par with 2 and 3 is a stretch imo

but I am a season 5 defender

But as a season five defender, it’s indubitably the worst season

[hollow night]

Same if they said that was all fake. I’d be pissed.

[celest cove]

season 2 is incredible in the second half but the first half drags quite a lot imo 😭 theres a reason why ppl usually rate it the lowest

plus it has The Episode

[hollow night]

Season 2 is goated

[red epoch]

season 1 and 2 are my favs no questions

[night rose]

Why do people think a new episode is coming out

[lunar vale]

Let ppl have fun

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow night]

because idk

but there clearly isn’t

[bright plinth]

its called uuuh Delusion

[onyx wraith]

I found a video that explains something ive been thinking about really well

not just byler and mileven, but literally all the relationship choices they made with the characters

they had the right ideas but placed them on the wrong characters

[onyx wraith]

Many very oddly placed inconsistencies in the finale along with tons of Truman show parallels

However

I do not think there is a new episode

Because I don’t think the Duffer brothers are that good of writers

[red epoch]

let fandom do fandom things

they gotta do it

let them mourn and create

🤝 we get peak fics from it

[onyx wraith]

I find the idea that the final episode is all or partially Mike’s delusion as he’s in Camazotz to be extremely compelling but I think if they really went that route then it means that he’s just going to be stuck like that forever and we got the bad ending

Similar to those theories about Coraline

[undone gyro]

Imagine your shows finale being so ass that fans believe it wasn’t real

[peak bobcat]

Mainly because the back half of the new season was so bizarrely different to what was clearly being set up, like everything past Mike being knocked out is filled with bizarre continuity errors (camera staring, wrong colours, characters not acting right, things being bizarrely easy in a way that feels like a DM fudging the dice)

That and Netflix is announcing something stranger things today at the same time as the puzzled final chapter releases

And yeah the story ending with "and they all separated from each other and we're not there to back each other up" is such good setup for a twist "and that's where I want them"

[night rose]

The tudum puzzle? That already finished

[peak bobcat]

I heard there was something that was finishing the 7th I assumed it was thag

[undone gyro]

Oh it’s a documentary

Question mark

[golden axle]

well i mean maybe but it wasnt announced on the 7th nor is it dropping on the 7th

i dont believe in conformitygate at all tbh BUT it would be cool if its real

[undone gyro]

I think it would be a bit silly

Not sure why it would be executed like that

[lunar vale]

It would be cool as shit but if it was real then wouldnt they go full anticlimactic with the “finale”

Like not have the giant creature and have everyones epilogues be really shitty and dumb

[golden axle]

probably my biggest reason for not believing it personally is that there surely would be more direct teases if it was going to happen

[golden axle]

i mean if its real its actually sick as hell tbh with you. having a fourth wall break to explain why things were so off, explaining it in universe by saying its mike being vecna'd, and dropping a finale like the one we were all expecting would genuinely be very cool

but i also dont think theyre gonna do it

i dont think the duffers are clever enough to do it

following up on an unfinished plot thread (that thread being nancy's vecna vision where she saw that her whole family was in danger and then proceeded to see every person but mike get targeted), actually answering the questions we have, giving an actual satisfying and believable ending, idk i just dont think theyre that clever

[golden axle]

though

yk what

the dnd campaign from s4

they didnt kill vecna that easily then

[long jolt]

Sad

[peak bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

On the documentary topic, we got another duffer lie apparantly, the documentary scripts aren't red

[peak bobcat]

Atp I'm expecting "there is a 9th episode, it's up to you how the story ends"

[night rose]

i cant believe so many people thought there would be a ninth episode. the trailer on youtube said 'Documentary'

they showed the final episode in theatres like cmon

[lunar vale]

Honestly

Lowkey hope they play along with it at this point so they look like geniuses 💀

Definitely wasnt planned at all though

Just a shit ton of coincidences

Also if its real or whatever, the episode wont just shadow drop today
It’ll be moreso an announcement or a teaser for a date in the future

[sweet cobalt]

Happy conformity gate day /j

[graceful prawn]

why is the extra episode theory being given any ounce of attention at all

like was the season really that bad that it made everyone completely delusional about there being some secret well written ending 😭

[lunar vale]

If you watch a video on it its lowkey crazy how many coincidences there’s been

Pretty fun theory even if it turns out to be wrong

[peak bobcat]

mostly because the season was so genuinely insanely polarised between pre and post mike knockout specifically, there was a set leak with "v4" in the edit, and the number 7 just keeps cropping up more and more

nobody said the secret ending was going to be good, just that there were many signs pointing to it existing, ig the duffers were really just that shit that they managed to tease something that never existed

like why have "vecna lives" on the tickets youre handing out to see the movie, why have 7 appear at the end credits while also having the logo stop at 7 in a teaser, why have mindy flair and vance say "we left the gate open"

and thats just for why it was expected to be the seventh, theres so many continuity errors that itd make game of thrones have an anneurism

[lunar vale]

The fact that the numbers 107 have repeatedly popped up on so many things recently is what gets me 😭

[peak bobcat]

tbf tho, the duffer brother struggled with figuring out what 12 was ever gonna mean

[river birch]

either there will be an episode tonight or their evil marketing team is getting peoples hopes up yet again for no reason

bc there's truly no reason for all of this 😭

[lunar vale]

FR

Tyler and Josh were quiet about everything when we were theorizing double album bc there actually was one

Here tho? Idk

[peak bobcat]

tbf, the duffer bros have been nonstop yapping

I just really hope something happens today because in the back of my mind I know im gonna keep waiting in anticipation for the 12th

[lunar vale]

Everytime they talk, they unwravel their own plot more and more 😭 Its so weird

[peak bobcat]

yeah, like even if you were proud of your episode, any writer worth their salt knows you dont go on interviews and undermine it

and nothing could do that worse than "I have no idea how we came to these conclusions, but you can guess if it helps"

[static orchid]

If u believe in conformitygate unfortunately you are the weakest link

[static orchid]

yupppp they really need to let the dust settle lmfao

at least until the documentary comes out 😭 surely that will delve a bit deeper into their thought processes

[peak bobcat]

theres still time in the day rahhh

until netflix does their announcement im not giving up

[lunar vale]

Good, don't

We stick it out till the end

🫡

[long jolt]

This isn't real

We all died in 2012 and this is a simulation

THE POLICE IN GERMANY IS POSTING CONFORMITY GATE CONTENT

[peak bobcat]

Ok so... I changed my mind

I don't think we're getting a secret episode. I still think the hints all meant something, but I think that was strictly for us to know. I think it's just an actual TPK ending

[golden axle]

unfortunately a few of the hints have pointed to nothing more than promo for other shows

there are still a few pieces of somewhat compelling evidence but also

i dont think its happening

[peak bobcat]

I don't think it's happening but I do think the hints were intentional

Imo it's a "even if you recognise that vecna clearly won, what are you gonna do about it?"

We all realised by the end of the season, he had already got his dub we were just too focussed on beating the BBEG to realise

Like writing wise it's still absolutely hot garbage, but if it was intentional I think it's kinda cool and a fun nod to another DND big bad the false hydra

[golden axle]

i'm not so sure it's intentional tbh, it's one of those things i don't trust the duffers to be clever enough to actually pull and do it right

[peak bobcat]

Yeah, it's definitely not pulled off well at all, and this borders on headcanon

But it's also like equally if not more likely than eleven disappearing to iceland

[polar timber]

-# friends, conformity gate tonight?!?

[bright plinth]

delusion gate tonight

[golden axle]

i just cant wait for this conversation to be over

[red epoch]

happened to my good friend SUpernatural

[red epoch]

i cant wait for the fanfic authors to get time to write better plots

[red epoch]

like just give them time to cook

[dusty ermine]

Nah bc why is conformity gate reminding me of the Clancy digital remains 🫩 at least Clancy digital remains was real

Everything I see abt conformity gate im like omg dema lore theories!!

…the difference is I believed in the dema lore and double album theory the whole time but conformity gate is too far😭

I was way more on board with the vol 2 cut theory

[red epoch]

its reminding me of the secret johnlock episode conspiracy

[river birch]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZThLVg3rH/

[long jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-25799821

[worthy fulcrum]

Hey, Conformity Gate would have been cool!

[long jolt]

Very cool

[long jolt]

I already read about people saying "so it might be the 1st of July"