11, 14, and 25

[vivid dune]

I deleted the original message.

Using this forum as a place to store any findings of the numbers 11, 14, and 25. All of these numbers have been dropping all over this era. 14 Actually was relevant even before this era.

Torchbearer = 11
Double Album = 11

1114 angel number https://www.astrology.com/numerology/angel-numbers/1114-meaning

[lofty river]

not sure this is relevant but 11 by itself is new beginnings and leadership according to the same site which imo kinda fits with Oldies Station as track 11 and the way tyler has talked about that song so far

[winter glacier]

Oooh there’s a forum for this

One second

[vivid dune]

Nice! Yea I decided to start it to keep record of some stuff, but then I decided to do it elsewhere. We can use it here though!

[winter glacier]

Alright (:

[lyric cairn]

Can someone make a connection with the following idea?
I find it sus that we get square numbers popping up (considering there are only 30 squares to 1000):

• 625 (in Josh‘s tweet) is the square of 25

• 25 itself: square of 5

• 121 pages (DR): square of 11

• 9 (bishops/towers): square of 3

so we‘ve got also the 14 which is 196 squared.

I look at it bc I always tried to find a way to make sense of the 121 pages in the DR by thinking of what criteria could filter out the „right“ ones. Leading to a pattern or number.

[dense badge]

Yes! I knew there was something about those numbers, they are squares!! I don’t know what it means! But it’s cool!

[red mountain]

11 dots on the FPE sign

Btw… I’m wondering what’s on the bottom of the staff shirt. I see “twenty one pilots fan premier exhibit” on top and then below STAFF I see the date but the words below that are jumbled

Sorry random staff guy for zooming into your backside 💀

I’m thinking now it just says Columbus… and other things related to that 🤭

[dense badge]

Hello, has anyone mentioned this... taken from a WOSU article on the show in Columbus on the day of Clancy release - "Hundreds of fans were already in a line stretching from 11th Avenue up to 14th Avenue to go to a pre-concert event at The Ohio State University Barnes and Noble bookstore."
11th to 14th.
https://www.wosu.org/arts-culture/2024-05-24/twenty-one-pilots-return-to-newport-music-hall-the-same-day-as-release-of-sixth-album-clancy

[winter glacier]

Pages 11 and 14 in the DR are connected….

If you count the title page as 0

[lyric cairn]

Says who? 😉

[vivid dune]

Kitchen Sink = 11

Coincidence?

Tyler Joseph = 11

[lyric cairn]

Joshua Dun = 9

Overcompensate = 14

Prodigal son = 11

I’m just imagining an unleashed crowd incessantly screaming “Joshua Dun, prodigal son! Joshua Dun, prodigal son!” in almost religious fervour. Lol

[winter glacier]

LOL

[lyric cairn]

If 11 and 14 are connected in DR why not considering the other pages which can be connected to these both? I haven’t been part of the puzzle crew and Idk how far they went, but here are the other connected pages:

It’s sadly not 95… (still counting the title as 0)

[dense badge]

I put in a few variations of these numbers as IPs and got two telecommunications companies in France.

Also sky limited, a telecommunications company in England

Why. What does it mean.

Never mind they are internet service providers

Looked at first like TV or radio

[lyric cairn]

The location is less interesting than a working website. So first try to put in your browser

[dense badge]

Wait you can do that?

[lyric cairn]

U2

Just like
http://141.13.90.94

and all other combinations

[dense badge]

Wow. Okay. Well I guess I have to do that with everything now haha

[lyric cairn]

http://14.113.90.94 etc

Four numbers up to 255

I have a huge list of more than 600 IPs I already tried

I think I‘ll better write a script to automate it lol

[dense badge]

can it go the other way? can you find the IP of a working website?

[vivid dune]

If I'm reading it right, you should be able to in the dev tools of chrome/edge

hit F12

then in the network tab, any request your browser sends to the site should display the IP address.

this is the dmaorg site

[dense badge]

Nice thanks!!

[lyric cairn]

Sure:

https://www.nslookup.io/website-to-ip-lookup/

[vivid dune]

nice even easier

[dense badge]

nice

[lyric cairn]

I‘ll post the script if I get it to work. My programming skills are limited

[vivid dune]

I'm curious how much the team knows when it comes to the tech side of these things, or if they have to outsource a lot of their requests

[dense badge]

same, i feel like there must be a lot of people in on this

[lyric cairn]

The website (dmaorg) is run by a guy in Columbus

The official site is by a team at Warner

[dense badge]

i wonder if that guy lives at clancy way

[lyric cairn]

It’s quite interesting that page 11 is part of the collage bc Columbus uses a large block of IP range from 11.132.41.0 - 11.255.255.255

[obtuse parcel]

For me I don’t think we should count the cover of DR as a page 0 just because when blurryface used pages in the Twitter header it was the actual page number from the PDF.

[winter glacier]

If you think about it, that could be because that’s what we were doing before when Tyler was watching the stream

So that’s what blurryface did to give us the hint

Does that make any sense lol

[lyric cairn]

Valid point, Anna!

[winter glacier]

One question rq, do you think that we were supposed to find paladin from the DR the whole time or did he do it because he saw us working on it

[lofty river]

i have been wondering about this too

on one hand it seems unlikely that they'd give us something just bc they saw us looking bc we've continued looking and it's been radio silence

but then on the other hand it could've been just acknowledgement like "hey we see you, we know we said early june and it's not early june so here's a little something extra"

I'm leaning towards thinking it was intentional bc they don't do much unintentionally

[dense badge]

In an interview Tyler said immediately after the last Blurryface show, which was on June 25, 2017, at OSU, he went home and started writing about Dema. Taken literally, that would mean Clancy was born on 6/25

[obtuse parcel]

Someone said the video and web page weren’t posted till that morning that blurryface tweeted.

[lofty river]

not sure I've seen that interview do you know which one it is?

[red mountain]

I think so as well, especially with when DR was released when it was

[dense badge]

Yeah, the Apple Music Zane Lowe interview, Trench era… https://youtu.be/s4CLo1gpHyQ?si=tLhQEqxUmmja9lmW

I don’t know time stamp, but it’s a pretty intense interview and worth the watch

[lofty river]

ohhh okay I've definitely watched it before

there's a lot to take in there so i probably just forgot that bit

tbh the lack of a clancy zane lowe interview is part of why i still think there's more to come

[dense badge]

Yes I was JUST thinking that!!!

[dense badge]

Yeah for suuuree SO much in that conversation… I just happened to watch it last night 😆

[lyric cairn]

Means that Clancy had his 7. birthday last month, the cute little guy, lol

[red mountain]

Same, and also, I think sometimes the lack of promo right now is because he’s trying to squeeze in a lot with the kids before the tour.

Rosie will be school age next year? Sorry, I’m a mom lol

[lofty river]

you know clancy is album 7 if you count self titled and RAB which i generally do but it's only the 5th since they got signed and i know they kind of consider vessel as their debut. in that sense if there is a double album or clancy part 2 it might just be album 6 in 2025 idk that kinda feels like a reach

[dense badge]

Pretty sure her bday is in the winter (my daughter is 6 months older lol) so that means kindergarten in 2025

[dense badge]

Can’t believe he’s already going to second grade 😭

[dense badge]

No I like it

But I gotta say, I don’t love the thought of them releasing new music mid-tour… if something came out 6/2025 I wouldn’t get to see it live, the show here is in August…

[lyric cairn]

He looks older than he is, but his silly mask spleen can be a bit cringe sometimes. Shows how immature he still is. Seems that he loves birds but he has difficulties with numbers.

The last weeks he didn’t even speak a single word.

[dense badge]

Summer can be hard for him… he does much better with a structured school/tour schedule.

[lofty river]

same i see them in september and it seems unlikely to me that they would release something new while touring but maybe when they finish the current dates? like they could release something between tours

like for blurryface they did the blurryface tour followed by emotional roadshow
and for scaled and icy they did the takeover tour and icy tour
so maybe they'll do multiple tours for this album and release something else in between? that would be an insane schedule tho

[lyric cairn]

Next desperate approach to find something:

I've wondered since the release of DR why they used Latin words of all things to communicate simply "Clancy Last Chapter 25" (and then grammatically incorrect lol).
If we write it like the Romans, it is not
"CLANCY ULTIMUS CAPITULUS 25" but
"CLANCY VLTIMVS CAPITVLVS XXV"
abbreviated to C V C XXV.
The following numbers can be combined from this:
C V C XXV = 100 5 100 25
CV C XXV = 105 100 25
CV CXXV = 105 125

CV CX XV = 105 110 15
CV CXX V = 105 120 5
CV C XX V = 105 100 20 5
Since 25 is explicitly mentioned, only the first two come into question for me.

• IP combinations: do not lead to a website
• DR pages: 5, 25, 100, 105 (15, 20, 110, 120)
• numbers to letters:
  AOOEAOOBE
  AOOEAOOY
  JOEJOBE
  JOEJOY
  JEKOAE
  … (too lazy atm to check all possible combinations)

Ideas?

[vivid dune]

Hmmmm

[vivid dune]

What do you use to create this image? It looks too commercially done lol

[lyric cairn]

Commercially? Lmao I use Procreate

[vivid dune]

Each line is the same height and such lol

[lyric cairn]

Aesthetics

[vivid dune]

CLANCY VLTIMVS CAPITVLVS XXV = 6+7+9+3 = 25

CV CXX V = 105 120 5 = 1 + 5 + 1 + 2 + 5 = 14

CV C XX V = 105 100 20 5 = 1 + 1 + 2 + 5 = 14

[obtuse parcel]

I would look at that and think CVC = 195

So 195 and then 25

[lyric cairn]

But that’s not the way 195 is build in Roman math

CXCV

[dense badge]

He’s a professional 😆

[obtuse parcel]

Oh you’re right. 😆

[dense badge]

Ok that’s pretty crazy.

[dense badge]

Same numbers as Clancy way - 7369

[vivid dune]

That's cool!

... Clancy Way, Columbus, Ohio = 21

[obtuse parcel]

Here are DR pages 5, 25, 100, 105

[obtuse parcel]

Where did you get 15, 20, 110, 120? I’m not seeing it.

[dense badge]

Ok just for fun, the zip code is 43082

[vivid dune]

6 3 8 4 4 3 0 8 2

wait is the address columbus or another city?

genoa township?

[vivid dune]

Random idea, what language is the writting on Josh's collar? was that ukranian?

[obtuse parcel]

Yes that’s what I read

[lyric cairn]

From the other combinations

I had to make a really sad post, guys, lol
The right writing of UC25 is UltimuM CapituluM 25
which adds to MMXXV = 2025

[obtuse parcel]

I don’t know if it’s already in this thread but in verified we were just talking about the 2 live songs being released on vessel making 14 tracks on the 14th. And then they were removed.

[vivid dune]

yeah those few days were kind of weird? was it intential? was it related at all? who knows

I'd just like at LEAST another tweet from tyler lol

[obtuse parcel]

I feel like it was intentional. I don’t think that was accidental. 😆 my brain

[vivid dune]

I tried taking this screenshot from the PS video and seeing if I could find Ukranian letters, but not really.

[dense badge]

Google says Westerville

What’s up with the Ukrainian thing anyway, is that one of their heritage? I found this Ukrainian letter when I was looking for the shape of the Clancy Y’s on his stole… it’s the letter “zh”

Oh I just noticed the backwards N (dangerous bend?) apparently it’s translated in English to the letter Y

[lyric cairn]

They shot a couple of Trench mvs in Kyjiw

[dense badge]

Do we know why SAI doesn’t have 14 tracks?

[obtuse parcel]

I don’t know the answer to that. I know that some people theorized that it was okay for all the albums to have 14 except for SAI because of the favorite thing to come back to: SAI is propaganda. So it doesn’t have to match.

[lyric cairn]

SAI is without the „14“ because it’s made without the real „AD“ (Tyler).
The bishops directed the songs and videos 😉

[dense badge]

Is this something we know for sure? Sorry the scaled and icy era is a mystery to me

[lyric cairn]

I was joking and turning the 1 and 4 to A and D

[dense badge]

Yeah, seems like such a cop out reason, I feel like I hear it all the time… but I’m confused about the obsession with 14 tracks, like their catalog is not that big. So, two out of five albums have 14 so that means 14 tracks is the magic number?

[dense badge]

Haha, okay…. But the thing about the bishops, is that true? By “true” I mean confirmed

[lyric cairn]

Just a theory

[dense badge]

Hmm okay…

Maybe it’s just the feeling people have of “nothing that happened during quarantine really happened” so they kind of dismiss SAI

[obtuse parcel]

I think the interest is that with the live songs added to vessel, 5 of the 7 albums had 14 songs and Clancy had 13. Or perhaps that with the overcompensate edit single also removed the same day that gave Clancy 14 as well (if you count the craving sv as part of Clancy).

[vivid dune]

#1256724195375845488 message 11, 14, 25 connection found in tweet/DR

[dense badge]

Found some number things #1258930993126182942 message

[vivid dune]

11th ave = green
14th ave = blue
2nd st = yellow (left line. turns into high st, but if we assume that is 2nd)
5th st = yellow (right line)

Newport music hall is on high st between 11th and 14th. Their concert this year happened on May 24th (11) https://promowestlive.com/columbus/newport-music-hall/2024/05/an-evening-with-twenty-one-pilots

Originally looked at this place from this thread #1258930993126182942 message

[dense badge]

Is 6 an important number or is it specifically 625?

[vivid dune]

I'm not sure. I think 6 came from the original FPE event and the antlers? I've always been curious about the # 6 and why it's important

11th is interesting because it has a dangerous bend here when crossing high st.

[dense badge]

I think 6:25 was on Josh’s Clancy run story… well, in any case, the venue where they played Their last show before hiatus on 6/25/17 is at 555 borror drive - 555=15=6 🤷‍♀️

I’m having a hard time making meaning of it though… obviously there’s no way to control addresses and street names. So, if it’s not coincidental, wouldn’t these locations have to be the origin of the numbers, in terms of the frequency with which they show up?

[vivid dune]

yeah maybe huge coincidence, but I always seem to come back to this map of columbus. My hunch is that it is all pointing to something in his past, but I could be wrong

[dense badge]

I mean, there are a lot of other locations with different numbers…
The Basement, 391=13
The LC (now kemba live), 405=9
Nationwide Arena, 200=2
Blackhawk country club, 8830=19=10

Yeah I always come back to the map too, to Clancy way and the venues

[vivid dune]

I wish I knew what 'club' Tyler first saw someone there and went 'That's what I want to do!'

I thought I read it was on high st, but never knew the name

[dense badge]

Oh yeah!

It was probably Newport

Oh I saw an interview, they were asked what their first concert was and he said “I saw Mutemath here” I don’t know where they were!

[vivid dune]

what's weird, is this location looks to have a lot of fraternities/sororities

[dense badge]

He does love to use Greek symbols

Oh man, I was going to take a break from this today but now I’m pumped, I’m getting out my laptop 😂

[dense badge]

Yes! It's Newport Music Hall!

[vivid dune]

the club where he first saw a show?

[dense badge]

yeah thats what he says in this interview

wait

why cant i liknit

okayyy why cant i share a link in this channel

i'm going over herehttps://discord.com/channels/269657133673349120/1258930993126182942

[vivid dune]

no problem. if it's not 11,14,25 then it doesn't have to be in here haha

[vivid dune]

New idea for 11,14,25 ....

there are 25 <divs>, or sections, on http://dmaorg.info/found/15398642_14/clancy.html ... is there anything out there that they've done that has a count of 11 or 14? I know tracks on albums could be it, but anything else?

[lyric cairn]

Trying to find another solution for „adihgrtnsnd“:
using caesar shift 11 (bc of 11 characters) we get the ONLY character combination which leads to the most possible anagrams: „lotsrceydyo“
(including „code“, „story“)

[dense badge]

I wish I understood this 😫

Oh I googled, now I understand

Also “destroy”

“Destroy cloy”
cloy: sicken with excess sweetness

Or “locy” which urban dictionary says is “a friend who can’t drive and always needs a ride” 😆

[lyric cairn]

There are over 500 words in it

Using https://boulter.com/anagram/
you can decode incrementally

[dense badge]

Oh nice I haven’t used this anagram solver

[lofty river]

14 words in this tweet

what does it mean

https://tenor.com/view/boi-crazy-stewie-family-guy-rocking-back-and-forth-gif-10561279

[lyric cairn]

Sorry didn’t see that bf I posted

[lofty river]

that's okay lol
lots of us count the words/characters esp when tyler posts i think

[vivid dune]

|-/
|-/
|-/
|-/
|-/
14 Characters .... err 15 my bad. Could have swore someone said it was 14. 🤦‍♂️

| | -/ /
| | -/ /
| | -/ /
| | -/ /
| | -/ /
25 Characters

[lofty river]

not to shoot you down but |-/ × 5 is 15 characters 🥲

[vivid dune]

hmm ... Am I that old that I cna't count?

[lyric cairn]

14 as AD means Anno Domini btw
And adihgrtnsnd also starts with AD

[vivid dune]

AD stands for After Death in the christian bible also correct?

[winter glacier]

That’s what people assume it is when they don’t actually know lol

[vivid dune]

yup! 😉

[winter glacier]

It’s anno domini in the Christian Bible though

[lyric cairn]

There‘s a movie called „11:14“

[winter glacier]

Ooh

[lofty river]

i'm pretty sure the "after death" thing started as a mnemonic device and then people forgot and assumed that's what AD stands for

[dense badge]

“It follows five different storylines that all lead up to a series of events that happen one evening at 11:14.”
With a classic early 00’s up and coming cast 😆

[lofty river]

like i was taught as a kid that BC means before christ and AD means after death but i assume that's because no one wanted to explain latin to kids in Bible class

[dense badge]

Hear me out… the angle btw the hands of a clock is 107 degrees at 11:14.
At 14:11 (2:11 for USA) it’s .5 degrees
At 11:25 - 167.5
At 14:25 - 77.5

Anyone’s ear perked by these numbers? Maybe we can see what the clock looks like at 11:14:25…

That is all.

[dense badge]

Have we talked about how 12+13=25 and counting in order goes 11,12,13,14….

(Just in case you forgot how to count lol)

[winter glacier]

Haha XD thanks for reminding me how to count /j

Good observation though lol

[dense badge]

I can’t get it out of my head because Newport music hall in Columbus is between 12th and 13th Ave and that place has to mean something

[winter glacier]

Newport is a very important place to the band

[dense badge]

Is there something specific that makes you say that? I mean I know it’s a landmark for them, just wondering if you’re thinking of something in particular

[winter glacier]

It really in particular, I know they go there on every tour I think

It’s just a popular destination for them and it’s in their hometown

It’s also where the first tour de Columbus show was

[dense badge]

They did their evening with twenty one pilots show there in may

[winter glacier]

Yep

May 24 Clancy day

[dense badge]

I think there might be a mv from vessel filmed there… I may be wrong

[winter glacier]

Ohhh maybe, I don’t know for sure though

A lot of their earlier concerts were there

[dense badge]

Oh dang a spreadsheet!

[winter glacier]

Yesss

Not mine but it’s really cool

Mark has said that it’s comparable to his personal one

[dense badge]

That goes way back

[winter glacier]

all the way back

It’s on archivedpilots.carrd.co along woth a bunch of other cool things

Here https://archivedpilots.carrd.co

[dense badge]

Amazing!!

[winter glacier]

((:

[lofty river]

currently sitting here thinking about the number 14 and sonnets just popped into my head

idk how poetry could fit here but maybe one of you will see a connection i don't

or maybe i'm reaching for something where there's nothing 🫠

[dense badge]

Guys are we thinking about 7 and 33 also

[lyric cairn]

6.25.5.15.
F.Y.E.O.
For your eyes only

[dense badge]

what is the 5 and 15?

[lyric cairn]

The five |-/ from Ty and Josh‘s 🖖 and the tour start

Just joking

[dense badge]

I took the notes of the melody in the Paladin strait chorus and made them numbers and got some 11s and 25s………

i would swim the paladin strait (DEFFEFEA) = 38 = 11
without any floatation (AEEFADC) = 25
just a glimpse of visual aid (DEFFEFEA) = 38 = 11
of you on the other shoreline (AEEEDCCA) = 27
waiting expectations (GFCAAG) = 25
that i'm gonna make it (GGFGAA) = 29 = 11

[lyric cairn]

No way Ty creates his chord progressions by trying to adapt to a number

[dense badge]

not the chord progression

the melody

[lyric cairn]

Same. It’s different when you arrange photos and are free to fit the numbers to your will.

[dense badge]

the melody and the chord progression are not the same

not saying it's meaningful just that it's there.

[lyric cairn]

Gimme a text with 500 words and I‘ll show you tons of 11 and 14 and 25 or every number you wanna hear.

[dense badge]

not the same thing, but i understand what youre saying

[lyric cairn]

What we should always focus on is: what could be intentionally hidden bc they could hide it easily. Tyler also finds his easter eggs by playing around and sometimes he uses them. He is not a genius with a giant wall at home with all possible number/word/places/meaning connections

It‘s oc different when you PLAN an ARG. You take all known snippets and play with them and then you try to find a smart way to present them.

Sometimes I have the impression people are really thinking that Tyler is sort of a mastermind

[dense badge]

i personally think it would be quite easy to write a melody with the intention of making it add up to a number

but that's the thing, we don't know the intention

for any of it

[lyric cairn]

That’s not the way a real musician creates music

Maybe in math rock lol

[dense badge]

it definitely could be

if that's what the musician intended

there are so many ideas flying around, with the digital remains and the numbers and the lyrics of songs and anagrams of tweets... it's like, does ANY of it really mean anything? Which ideas are coincidental, and which are intentional, and can we tell the difference?

[lyric cairn]

When I found the anagram „All Ohio fans“ for Sahlo Folina back then, I was celebrated and cited worlwide but I was also unsure if it was intentional. There are intentional drag paths and also just happy, funny and astonishing coincidences.

[vivid dune]

I've been gone for a few days with real life stuff and I come back and you guys are going hard on some weird Numbers stuff! lol

[lyric cairn]

Haha, welcome back!
Btw shouldn’t we include the 5 as it seems it’s now part of the game:

• 5 times |-/
• 🖖=V=Roman 5
• 5 fingers (DR page 74)
• all the obvious and not so obvious E‘s (DR pages 108 and 78, the E in Josh‘s hair from Vignette mv lol)
• E ast is up
• V ignette

• in 25 which is 5^2

[timid galleon]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 9!

[lofty river]

wasn't there some conversation about squares at some point? 5² is 25 ofc

oh whoops you said that already

[lyric cairn]

Yeah, I mentioned it bc there was also 11^2

and 25^2

but til now no 14^2

[dense badge]

I kinda wondered.. maybe it’s 11 and 25 that are important and 14 shows up because 11+14=25?

[vivid dune]

Apparently 14 has been around since at least trench. I’m not sure about the others

[winter glacier]

What do you mean by been around cause self titled has 14 too if you’re going by the tracklist

[vivid dune]

Maybe it's even earlier then. I only know that there is a document someone put together of lots of things regarding 14 prior to Clancy coming out

[dense badge]

Hm. So when did 11 and 25 start showing up? Do we know the first instances?

[lofty river]

I could be wrong and someone please correct me if I am but I'm pretty sure the 25s are new/just started with clancy

not sure about 11s

[vivid dune]

In the Eliot letter #lore-updates message the double letters WEM appear in lines 1,3, and 10.

1+3+10 = 14

[dense badge]

Of course 🙄

[vivid dune]

Spoilers about Setlist below if you don't want to see

||https://www.setlist.fm/stats/average-setlist/twenty-one-pilots-7bd3caf0.html?tour=3dca113||

||11: Next Semester||

||14: Mulberry Street||

||25: Jumpsuit||

[lyric cairn]

I vote for taking a closer look to the 5 into this thread. With all the E‘s in DR I first thought it is only hinting at the 25. Maybe it‘s relevant bc it is their 5th album. But now we had this animation ad with a 5+ Caesar shift for numbers and +15 for letters. It could be a stock effect but who knows.

[winter glacier]

Another 11 connection

[vivid dune]

I thought 15 was the shift?

[lyric cairn]

26 Alphabet letters. You can go right 11 or left 15

[vivid dune]

Today is 24th
8/24
8+2+4 = 14

tomorrow is the 25th, I'm curious if we'll get something more significant tomorrow.

[maiden dome]

Have there been any 25 hints since after Paladin released?

[vivid dune]

I don't think so

bit of a stretch, but Eliot adds up to 25

[maiden dome]

I'm curious if they were meant to stop, or just haven't happened again yet

We definitely got 11 and 14 clues since then

[hearty iron]

wait clancy, sai, and trench in that order? could that possibly be a trilogy for clancy being captured in clancy, they use him in sai, and trench they escape????????

[sudden knot]

Josh posted a story on IG the day of the release of PS MV with 25 letters

[torn surge]

This is a bunch of connections to Eleven that we found. We posted this in the forum when we were all trying to find the Paladin Strait MV. It obviously didn’t connect to that, but I’m commenting it here for reference.

FPE 1539864_14 the code after FPE (including the space) is 11 characters

HELLO CLANCY is 11 characters, the same amount as the FPE characters.

When is "Hello Clancy" said? Right after Nico says "SO FPE" at the end of Paladin.

digital remains 11's

11 times 11 = 121 pages
Death eaterz = 11
page 120 = literally an 11
page 11 = failed perimeter escape with the FPE number
Welcome to the “Inner Circle” = 11 characters

Livestream 11’s

I don't know if anyone noticed but the Livestream was SCRIPTED, and you can tell there are cues they use, a clock they are watching, and specific things they said multiple times in order to have timing right and lead us somewhere

Josh ate popcorn, cheez its, a lunchable, goldfish, cookies, Mtn. Dew, little debbies, oreos. This makes the code PCLGCMDLDO = 11 characters. I know this seems like a stretch but his snacks being included was so awkward and Tyler kept bringing attention to them. I refuse to believe it was JUST A BIT

Snap back ends exactly at 1:21:00. Leading to the 11th song on the track. Not a coincidence ABSOLUTELY NOT

**other 11's **
Tylers random tweet that he insisted was “straightforward”
adihgrtnsnd = 11 characters
My Blood lyrics in the video description are missing “DOINDAYOFON” = 11 characters

And Debby for Josh’s bday posted three pictures and said “11 years ago today”

[timid galleon]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 1!

[torn surge]

ALSO: OLDIES STATION, THE ELEVENTH TRACK

Multiple times Tyler has said that while Midwest Indigo was for Ohio, Oldies Station was for us.

[vivid dune]

Love it, keep it coming!!

[hearty iron]

fool you once (11 characters) its been (25) times, (backslide

[dense badge]

Has anyone considered that 25 may mean 2/5/25? They are on a break from tour around that time…

[lofty river]

meant to share this here too but i forgot to do so yesterday #verified-theorists message

[vivid dune]

@lofty river interesting find!

[vivid dune]

#1274822687255957551 message

[placid sierra]

Heyyy idk if someone said this already but back to the number 14… if there isn’t more letters besides the 027-028 letter … its gonna be 14 letters total

[lofty river]

setlist/tour visuals spoilers ||the glass started cracking on the jumbotron screens during stressed out on night 11|| #1273759311264354467 message

[limpid notch]

speculation thats perhaps more suitable for another forum but im just seeing the DR 11 and 14 connection now from this thread

now that we know The Line is coming out, during the clancy era, it could be reasonable to say clancy has 14 songs. making the 11 potentially the number of songs of a second album. neither of which are new theories.

but what i found interesting is the content of the pages themselves. 14, the clancy one under this idea, is overcompensate lyrics, with the double up imagery that we keep seeing everywhere this era (tshirts, DR, et al).

11 is an early moon letter before the events of jumpsuit, in which clancy is questioning whether he's "the only one" who realizes that the bishops have hijacked their trust. the response to this within the moon letters is "not my only friend . jpg" (or something like that), which is a photo of banditos standing on a cliff.

i think that could tie in really nicely with the double album theory that the hypothetical second album will be focused on the torchbearer and/or banditos. then the 14 image is a very clancy-era coded image with OC lyrics, and the 11 image is a moon letter that leds us to the role of the torchbearer and banditos.

[vivid dune]

I want 2nd album to be about nose scratch guy. Recently watched Jumpsuit and it is so obvious that we are seeing at least 2 different streams of events there. The last time we saw nose scratch was the end of Navigating. Not sure how this works with any numbers however

[limpid notch]

for jumpsuit, i think clancys first letter about the events is all messed up an unreliable bc he was just smeared (as we saw in the video), which messes with your mind and memories (they wanna make you forget) -- i have a longer explanation that goes into details i will dig up later and ping you

he had an out of body experience, or he thought he did when recollecting the events, bc his brain was messed up and filled in blank pieces he couldn't make sense of

however, i dont have a satisfying explanation for nose scratch in jumpsuit or otherwise

so that a huge hole in my understanding of the lore in general i hope to close one day..

i've seen the various theories about nose scratch and non nose scratch being twins and it just never sat right with me, but who knows

[vivid dune]

Yeah, still a mystery out there that hasn't been explained yet

[placid sierra]

maybe it’s a coincidence maybe it’s not… but josh reposted this yesterday 👩‍🦯‍➡️ from a fan 3.11 🤷‍♀️ might just be my newest delusion tho

[dense badge]

Correct me if I’m wrong:
44 characters (including spaces)
33 letters
11 groups
(Yes I’m still stuck on and obsessed with this stupid tweet)

[vivid dune]

2,3,1,4,2,4,3,4,2,6,2 group number of letters 🤔

[dense badge]

Yeah, I’ve thought and thought and thought and I don’t know what those numbers could mean

[dense badge]

Do we have anything with 11 lines? Like maybe a letter fragment… I wonder which letter we got that night

[dense badge]

That thing about Snap Back during the livestream is crazy because wasn’t that the song that mark started too soon or too late or something, and he had to start it over?

[dense badge]

Um we got fragment 011 of course 🙄 Which completed that letter, which has more than 11 lines………..

[vivid dune]

Same

[dense badge]

Wait no - number 011 didn’t complete that letter. The fragment from Vegas completed that letter. Which was night number……….. 11.

[dense badge]

Just realized 44 characters and 33 letters means 11 spaces….
….still thinking….

11 groups would normally mean 10 spaces but with 2 spaces after E it’s 11 spaces

[dense badge]

maybe it all just means something's happening on 11/11... that's 5 lines... | | / | |

[dense badge]

Oldies Station is #11 on the album and #22 on the set list
(please make it stop)

[golden saddle]

The very first Clancy letter on Dmaorg. Which had moon date 988 06 Moon 18 (Josh’s birthday) had a 14 in its metadata info: Slices Group Name cla_ncy-009-06MOON_14_-1 (I can’t remember what that date corresponds to.)

[dense badge]

@vivid dune follow along with me real quick...
soo all of the 11's in the bf tweet led me to look at night 11, Las Vegas
On the N11 shirt there is a piece of the meruoiepepa letter from dmaorg, which we know gave us 229 by the positions of the special letters...
Using the group numbers (2,3,1,4,2,4,3,4,2,6,2) on the same letter in the same way - 2nd letter of line 1, 3rd letter of line 2, etc. - the first three letters are MGM
Vegas show was at MGM Grand
BUT the rest of the string of letters is nonsense from what I can tell...
BUT looking at the tweet, the double space happens after the third group, so is that a clue the rest of the numbers follow a different pattern?
It feels like I am THIS close!!

[vivid dune]

I’ll take a gander at this tomorrow!

[dense badge]

Thank you I’m going to try to forget about it until then 😅

[dense badge]

I just realized the shirt from the LA show also has a snippet of a dmaorg letter, the one that says “Gone -“… I can’t look at it rn maybe later

[vivid dune]

@dense badge So you're saying there are double spaces between some of the words?

WE HAV E ALWA YS WATC HED YOUR DI VERSIO NS

I think possible there is a double space between E and ALWA but the rest i'm not seeing.

[dense badge]

Yeah the only one I see is after E

[vivid dune]

Another thing to consider:

WE = 10 = 1
HAV = 13 = 4
E = 5
ALWA = 10 = 1
YS = 8
WATC = 11 = 2
HED = 17 = 8
YOUR = 25 = 7
DI = 13 = 4
VERSIO = 34 = 7
NS = 6

[vivid dune]

also, the tweet we know spells out HIDDEN EYES SW but also:

WEEYSHEDDINS = 59 = 14 = 5 (Numerology)
Each individual letter is below:
555718544951

@dense badge but still 🤷‍♂️

[dense badge]

😭😭😭

I think the double space means something and I think it’s connected to the shirts but maybe I’ll try messing with these numbers later

[vivid dune]

yeah hard to find any connections. so many puzzle pieces and we can't tell which piece goes with which puzzle

[dense badge]

But the double space might just be to make 11 spaces

[dense badge]

Exactly, I’m trying so hard to make linear connections so it’s not so overwhelming

Also there’s this but it’s probably just an Easter egg #theories message

[vivid dune]

interesting

[vivid dune]

First 14 FPE letters feature yellow tape
Second 14 FPE letters feature red tape

#verified-theorists message

[lofty river]

lol if you want to see it it's the second sheet on my big spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oSINLM5QcYssueAAVtzKkVgp8b1ZCl6mEJF0FiB0q1w/edit?usp=drivesdk

[winter glacier]

This is a really cool spreadsheet I’m stealing it if that’s alright loll

[dense badge]

I'm sure you've shown me this before but I don't think I've seen it in a long time and this is the spreadsheet I never knew I needed. I'm obsessed. Also - black tape on the Jumpsuit jacket on BF tweet night?? I never heard abt that!

[dense badge]

Orlando had red tape, night 18

Oh you mean the numbers on the letters!

[winter glacier]

It was the night that the red Clancy shirt changed to black

I was trying to figure out what the red to black switch on both could mean

For the tape on the jacket I thought maybe it was a nod toward to line missing

[dense badge]

Yeah, I definitely didn't see the tape on the jacket

[lofty river]

i actually need to take that black tape thing off it seems like he's had it multiple nights now that i've been watching more tour video

and i have it set to be available for anyone with the link to view but not edit lol

in other words i've got it set up so only i can make changes but it's for anyone to look at lol

[dense badge]

ok i can't get into it rn but i kinda got "mgm we lie ns" so maybe something happened during next semester in vegas no one noticed, or maybe the glass cracking during stressed out OR it could actually say "mgm we lie ic" (ic = i see?). I'll explain another time maybe.

but i'm over the tweet, i've tried everything, now i'm going to focus on allison's spot the difference up to the LA shows. or something will happen tonight for me to fixate on lol

[vivid dune]

Today is 10/1/2024
10+1 = 11

[winter glacier]

Oop

[vivid dune]

f*$#% .... if the message is 'We must destroy them or we will become them and if we become them we must do it better' the amount of characters add up to 14.

WE MUST DESTROY THEM OR 19 1+9=10 1+0 = 1
WE WILL BECOME THEM AND 19 1+9=10 1+0 = 1
IF WE BECOME THEM 14 1+4 = 5
WE MUST DO IT BETTER 16 1+6 = 7

1+1+5+7 = 14

[winter glacier]

Just curious, why did you split the words in that way?

If you split it differently it wouldn’t add to 14

[vivid dune]

no matter how you split it, it'll always be 5, not necessarily 14.

68 total characters = 14

but I started with:

WE MUST DESTROY THEM
OR
WE WILL BECOME THEM
AND
IF WE BECOME THEM
WE MUST DO IT BETTER

saw first was 17 characters
saw 3rd was 16 characters

Noticed if I added the OR to the first, it gave 19
If i added the AND to the 3rd it would b 19 ... thought they'd all be 19, but didn't happen to be.

Then I just copy/pasted what I was working with

[limpid notch]

14: there are 14 stations of the cross https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross

[vivid dune]

the email was at 1:14PM

1:14
1:14

[limpid notch]

11/4? the line

mine is dated 1:27pm 🤔

[vivid dune]

this date

[limpid notch]

ohh i didnt even realize that was a screenshot of a tyler post

[vivid dune]

yup, a screenshot of an email tyler got from his phone posted to instragram and I screenshot that 🤯

[dense badge]

Happy 11/14 everyone

[limpid notch]

Aaaaaaaa

[vivid dune]

Nothing today!? Cmon!

[dense badge]

Day’s not over! 😅

[winter glacier]

Blurry tweet could still happen…? 😭👀 I’m clutching at straws here lol

[dense badge]

Rip 11/14 🪦

[limpid notch]

hey its still 11/14 in hawaii... i think

[lofty river]

idk what i thought might happen on 11/14 but since nothing did I'm guessing we won't hear anything til shows start back

[dense badge]

Hey! Happy 11/22 we got The Line something happened on an 11 day!!

[lofty river]

and an mv on 11/25 👀

[dense badge]

Oh yeah there’s 25!

[limpid notch]

14th clancy song on 11/25

[dense badge]

Idk I’m not convinced the line has anything to do with lore or Clancy but it sure is beautiful

[vivid dune]

25 = 11 and 14 (2-5) 🙂

[next kestrel]

The 5th lavish in the list is spelled ‘lavash’ making the letter a show up 14 times in the list

[winter glacier]

Oo I never thought to count the letters that’s a great observation

[next kestrel]

Thanks

[limpid notch]

regardless of if you think the line is going on the album or not, it's still the 14th song released in the clancy era, if the craving is only counted as one song

[dense badge]

True!

[vivid dune]

RAB was released on July 8th 2011 - Next year July 2025 is 14 years

'11 + 14 = '25

[heavy palm]

i was also thinking that ruby is the 11th song on rab and it is suddenly available on spotify on november 25 or 11/25

we'll have to see if it stays up lol

[hexed sierra]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned here:

11/25 is the date that Larry commits suicide in All My Sons- supposedly his favorable day. Same day the Line was released.

[timid galleon]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 4!

[dense badge]

Holy shit

[heavy palm]

Omg

[hexed sierra]

I’ve got massive numerology info for y’all if anyone is willing to listen

[hexed sierra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/s/yJ6zDVzrZO

This post is what piqued my interest

[lofty river]

I don't understand a lot about numerology but I'll read it if you share lol

[dense badge]

Yeah same I will read it

[vivid dune]

Numerology - All numbers represent the numbers 1-9 when you add their digits together.

11= 2
14 =5
25=7

2+5=7

There is a lot more symbolism to it, but I just like numbers 😉

[vivid dune]

Any lyrics from the line similar to the play?

[hexed sierra]

You don’t add 1+1 for 11 in most schools of numerology, it’s a master number!

[hexed sierra]

I’ll have to listen through again.

Nothing too close to the line off the top of my head, but there is a powerful line about the surviving son (Chris) claiming he has become “Yellow”
Lemme see if I can find it…

[vivid dune]

True

[hexed sierra]

11/25 would be
11 + 7 =18
1 + 8=9

9 bishops.

[limpid notch]

taking this from sparknotes

Despite all his talk about morality and honesty, Chris confesses to being a coward at the play’s conclusion: “I’m yellow. I was made yellow in this house because I suspected my father and I did nothing about it[.]”

(i also assumed that idiom had racist origins, turns out it's etmyology is from animals with yellow bellies. edit: or maybe it is? not really sure https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/yellow#:~:text=The informal meaning of yellow,Definitions of yellow)

[hexed sierra]

Seems it turned into something racist but did not originate as such.

[hexed sierra]

If you apply numerology to that- it would make Clancy’s lifepath number the same as Josh’s lifepath number.

14/5

[hexed sierra]

Could it be odds and evens? Another form of binary communication

[vivid dune]

Also
11/25
1+1 = 2 | 2+5=7

2 + 7 = 9